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Grayarea
Nov 22, 2004, 05:18 AM
1 KA
2 Gray
3 Sir Ortin - Just played
4 Alex top - Playing next
5 Matternich - Get ready

King Alexander
Nov 22, 2004, 06:06 AM
Guys, we need to stay on schedule to finish this game.
EDIT:
I think that Metternich should play, since it's 2 days now that we haven't heard of Alex Top. The game must progress.

Alex Top
Nov 22, 2004, 10:35 PM
Sorry guys.
I can't load the save.
Lets play the next player.

Grayarea
Nov 24, 2004, 02:43 AM
1 KA - Get ready
2 Gray
3 Sir Ortin
4 Alex top - Just played (skipped)
5 Matternich - Playing next

Matternich
Nov 24, 2004, 03:29 PM
ok will play tonight

Matternich
Nov 24, 2004, 07:44 PM
0- 1600 AD

Look where the coal is. If Rome had been two squares across it could have built Iron works.
Building coal plants with their pollution. Do we need them in all cities? Hoover Dam much better. Is there any thing significant to build which needs coal plant? ToE can be prebuilt.

Persia has electricity

1- 1605 AD
Coal plant built in Rome Theveste Factory in Hippo. All onto workers- to increase city size immedialty once hospitals are up.

2- 1610 AD
Not much. 5 turns to elect. Have switched Carthage to Mil Acad for 2 reasons.
i- its only 1 cpt and ii because Utica is our Wonder builder and will be too busy to build Armies.

3- 1615 AD
Pollution strikes Rome. Wool to Ottomans for 9gpt & 21g.

4- 1620 AD
Greece and Persia have signed a treaty. Greece can now buy elect rom persia as we wont have it for another 3 turns.

5- 1625 AD
Deals with Persia and Keltoi for silk and furs are renewed.
Universal Suffrage built Utica onto wealth.

6- 1630 AD
Greece ask to renew peace. How can I refuse? Not much else.

7- 1635 AD
Renew incense deal with Greece. We have elctricity. Onto Scientific Method for good old ToE. (7 turns) Typical Greece bought Electricity from Persia IBT. Sell electrcity to Germans for 44 g.
Steam power to Vikings for 4gpt & 15 g.

8- 1640 AD
Pollution Utica. The babylon/viking embargo against us has ended.
Trade coal to Greece for a healthy 33 gpt.
As luck wuold have it the Keltoi have just finshed paying for something so give 42 gpt & 50 g. for electricity.

9- 1645 AD
Ottomans and German sign peace. Mil acad in Carthage finshed onto Army (built 3 cities and abandoned them) Why? Was this a waste of resources? Maybe because we will need another 7 settlers to build another army and trigger Pentagon.

10- 1650 AD
Utica finshes worker onto Palace prebuild in 5 turns. (watch out it gains a worker next turn so this might shorten). (Scientific meth in 4)
Trade Medicine with Vikings 16gpt & 30 g.
Thank goodness Persia has gone for Communism and not SMeth.


http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm4/Grayarea_SG004_AD1650_01.SAV

Conclusions/Suggestions

Some of the workers can go to increase city population with hospitals. The remainder only have to clean pollution.
We already have 4 settlers- another 3 can be squeezed in before hospitals. I have queued a settler in Rome and Theveste with this aim in mind. Maybe laying some irrigation down in these 2 cities could be good for this. They can also pump more out to supply other cities with pop and will themselves need irrigation for higher pop levels.

Persia,Germany & Babylon are Furious whilst Greece is Angry. Greece will soon become polite with a gift espcially afer the coal trade. The others may follow if we trade well and give the odd tech away where it makes sense to do so.

As said before make sure once ToE is up that no research turns have been wasted on something we will get for free. If it can't be researched in time, put slider to 0. The quickest is 7 turns for Sanitation though it all depends on how fast Utica builds ToE. If it's more then 10 then go for RR.


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King Alexander
Nov 25, 2004, 05:13 AM
This is my "Got it."

King Alexander
Nov 25, 2004, 08:51 AM
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm4/Grayarea_SG004_AD1700_01.SAV

I had an automatic reboot, so I lost my log until the end of the first turn. I’m forced to play again the first turn.

Pre-turn
Buy horses from Persia for WM + 180g.

Make upgrades.

IBT
Germany wanted an MA against Greece, I refused.
Deal with Greece ends: I offer Wool for WM +2g + 16gpt + Dyes.

1655AD (1)
Rome: settler >> settler. Theveste: settler >> settler. I make a salt colony with a foreing worker.

1660AD (2)
Rome: settler >> wealth. Theveste: settler >> wealth.

IBT
The embargo against us between Babylon and Germany ends.
Babylon and Keltoi sign MPP.

Deal with Greece ends: I offer Ivory for WM + 29gpt.

1665AD (3)
Railroading.

IBT
Persia demands TM + 78g: I say “ok”, so we have a chance for Diplomatic Victory(although I’m not sure anymore).

Persia pays us 51gpt, so they are a bit broke atm, as it seems.

IBT
The major powers know Espionage.

1670AD (4)
Nothing.

1675AD (5)
We learn Scientific Method, and switch Utica to ToE in 6 turns. There’s nothing that we can learn in less than 6 turns(we need at least 6 turns for Espionage and 7 for Sanitation at 100% science), so I temporarily shut down the research.

1680AD (6)
I trade saltpeter with Vikings for WM + 25 + 5gpt.

IBT
Keltoi and Persia sign MA against Germany.

1685AD (7)
Nothing.

1690AD (8)
Carthage: Army >> wealth.

Persia and Babylon learned Replaceable Parts.

1695AD (9)
Trade with Babylon: I offer SM for RP + Espionage + 2g + WM.
Trade with Persia: I offer SM for 262g(all their gold) + WM + 60gpt.
Trade with Ottomans: I offer SM + Espionage for WM + 75g(all) + Communism.
Trade with Germany: I offer Espionage for WM + 13g(all) + Gems.

Greece is broke and doesn’t have money right now (only 4 g).

We now have all 8 luxuries!

1700AD (10)
We complete ToE in Utica!!! :)

Utica: ToE >> Hoover Dam in 12 turns.

WE HAVE RUBBER!!!!!!!!!! :goodjob:

I decide to trigger the Pentagon:
I settle 7 cities, select Army in Carthage, and then disband them.

Summary

1) I have closed the research, so we decide what to research next. Next player can choose the research at the PRE-TURN.
We can go for Sanitation if we want in 7 turns, at 100%, -28gpt, if we don’t want to wait for the AI to research it, so we build Hospitals and have really powerful cities.
Otherwise, I’d go for Radio.

2) Only trade when the AI has A LOT of money/gpt to offer, as the techs we have are really expensive.

3) We should build 2 more settlers – 1 from Rome and 1 from Carthage, when they reach pop12 in a few turns.

4) Utica is building Hoover Dam: if we learn Sanitation, I’d built a Hospital in Utica immediately (maybe wait 1 turn and rush it the next turn), so Utica could build
a) Intelligence Agency -1cpt.
b) the Pentagon – 1cpt (after Carthage completes our third Army) .

NOTE: PLEASE, don’t go and play with Carthage’s “menu”, as the Army option might disappear!
Until Carthage completes it’s Army, FORGET this city.

5) I’ve made some more upgrades: if you want to upgrade occupying units, take our Cavalries near Hippo, order them to “hold” in the tiles our occupying units are, so we don’t have any “unpleasant” suprises.

6) We have 1 Army filled 1 Persian Mercenary, and 1 more empty Army in Carthage: I’d leave the Armies as they are, because we might want to fill more powerful units later on.
We have enough cavalries to deal with anyone, and now, we can also produce “Militia” with the rubber we have.

7) I bought horses from Persia for 180g, and we have 10 more turns on the deal: we don't need them, but you never know.

Grayarea
Nov 25, 2004, 01:08 PM
1 KA - Just played
2 Gray - Playing next
3 Sir Ortin - Get ready
4 Alex top
5 Matternich

Got it. Will play tonight.

Grayarea
Nov 25, 2004, 02:57 PM
Pre-flight

Not much to do :)

IBT

Persia and Babylon sign peace treaty
Babylon declares on Germany

1705AD (1)

General Railroading

IBT

Swap maps with Babylon

1710AD (2)

General Railroading

IBT

Greece asks for alliance vs ottoman and ROP I say no.

1715AD (3)

General Railroading

IBT

Ottoman deal for wool ends

1720AD (4)

Traded Wool to Babylon for 120g+WM
Rome Wealth > Settler
Hippo Wealth > Settler
Theveste Wealth > Settler
Railroading is now finished!

IBT

Kelts offer MPP + ROP I say no
Renew Keltic silks+7gpt for wool and spices
Perisa renews Furs+19got for wools
Rome Settler > Wealth
Hippo Settler > Wealth
Theveste Settler > Wealth

1725AD (5)

Upgrading units

IBT
Swapped WM with vikings

1730BC (6)

Upgrading units

IBT

Renew Greece incense+5gpt for spices
We know the secrets of sanitation!
Radio in 15turns at 0.10.0 +0gpt

1735AD (7)

Hippo Wealth > Hospital
Rome Wealth > Hospital
Theveste Wealth > Hospital
Persia learned the corp.

IBT

Greece and Vikings sign MPP
Greece renews 33gpt for coal deal

1740AD (8)

Nothing

IBT

Carthage Army > Hospital

1745AD (9)

Nothing

IBT

Ottoman wanted alliance vs Greece + ROP I said no thanks.
Ottoman and Greece sign peace treaty
Rome Hospital > Wealth
Theveste Hospital > Wealth

1750AD (10)

Joined settlers to Rome and Theveste

Score 847

In turn 7 we learned sanitation, but I did not switch Utica to hospital from hoover as that would have waisted 300+ shields.

Persia will not give gpt for tech why?

According to Civassist 20k in Utica in 1988 :)

Grayarea
Nov 25, 2004, 03:00 PM
1 KA
2 Gray - Just played
3 Sir Ortin - Playing next
4 Alex top - Get ready
5 Matternich

When I renewed trade deals I did not ask for more as I have done in the past as I understood we wanted to make everyone our firends for possible deplomacy win. When you renew without haggeling you get a rep increase. Is this correct?

King Alexander
Nov 25, 2004, 05:05 PM
Joined settlers to Rome and Theveste

Grayarea, if you look at Carthage, Utica and Hippo, you'll find a common point; they don't have enough food to grow quickly. Of course they can grow, but it'll take many turns to reach their maximum growth.

On the other hand, Rome and Theveste can grow really quickly, that's why I thought that you knew where to join the settlers.

Personally, I'd join both settlers in Utica, so it can work ALL it's available tiles(coastal tiles included), build the Hoover sooner, Hospital then(with rushing after a turn), and IntelAgen & The Pentagon afterwards.

That's ok, I should have mentioned it. Anyway, we can join 6-8 workers, because we have enough of them. Rome and Theveste could be of assistant by build a worker now and then, so we also help Utica first, Carthage and especially Hippo(second).

In turn 7 we learned sanitation, but I did not switch Utica to hospital from hoover as that would have waisted 300+ shields.

Don't worry, you did the right thing; we'd built the Hospital AFTER Hoover.

NOTE: Before we complete Hoover in Utica, SELL all the coal-factories in all our cities; right click the icon and sell it on the city view.

Persia will not give gpt for tech why?

They're furious with us, and they also already paying us around 100gpt! I sold SM for 60gpt, and we also trade them 2 luxuries, so I don't know if they can afford it.

When I make trades, I'm a VERY hard dealer, and I usually take the most a civ can give(to the last penny), but that's also a reason for someone else to declare if he cannot afford to pay the gpt anymore(it's the only way to end the deal).

According to Civassist 20k in Utica in 1988 :)
Yes, but Hoover, IntelAgen and Pentagon are on their way, so we'll finish some turns sooner.
Also, there're Modern Age Wonders that we can also built.
However, I'm sceptical if we should allow a UN vote, as by the time we built it, we'll be near the cultural victory(a sure victory).
1 KA
When I renewed trade deals I did not ask for more as I have done in the past as I understood we wanted to make everyone our firends for possible deplomacy win. When you renew without haggeling you get a rep increase. Is this correct?
I know that you get a better rep if you gift something, but you also increase your rep with a civ if you trade all the time with them.

But, to your particular question, I have no idea, but it's a trade, anyway.

EDIT: Grayarea, we have 2 more settlers! We have 1 in Theveste, and 1 in Hippo. I'd say, wait for Utica to build Hoover, then partly-rush a Hospital(wait 1 turn), and join both in Hippo after the hospital.

Other workers could join Hippo and Carthage(after the hospitals - I don't remember if Carthage already has one).

If you see that a city can't growth any further but still has tiles to work, irrigate and calculate how many irrigated tiles we need(FOOD) and how many more tiles the city city can work, just like Matternich said.

EDIT2: I think that with the 2 settlers we have and the many workers, we can fill Utica, Hippo and Carthage, after they get their Hospitals. We don't need to have more than 8-10 workers to clear 2-3 pollutioned tiles on the same turn, IMHO.

Sir_Ortin
Nov 26, 2004, 08:54 AM
Got the game, will play tonight.

Sir_Ortin
Nov 27, 2004, 01:31 AM
1750 (0)
Traded with Ottomans our Replaceble Parts for 57g + 55gpt. Traded with Vikings our Espionage for 2g + 11gpt. Traded with Greece our Scientific method for 137g + Horses. Built colony on coal, rubber.
IBT:
Persia deal expired, our Ivory for 32gpt, I renew it.
Greece deal expired, our wool for dyes +16gpd, I renew it just wool for dyes.

1752 (1) Hippo built Hospital, start Wealth. Joined 2 settlers to Hippo.

1754 (2) Utica built Hoover Dam, start Hospital.
IBT:
Greece deal expired, our ivory for 29gpd.

1756 (3) Carthage built Hospital, start Wealth. Rushed Hospital in Utica for 352g.

1758 (4) Utica build Hospital, start Intelligent Agency. Joined workers to Utika until it reached 17. joined workers to cities. Now we have only 10 workers and 5 slaves. traded with Persia our Atomic Theory for their Corporation, 240g + 89gpt. traded with Vikings our coal for 20g +1gpt. Traded with Ottomans our rubber for 57g + 6gpt. Changed all cities to build Stock Exchanges.

1760 (5) Traded with Greece our Ivory for WM +8g (for reputation). Rush Stock Exchange in Utica (480g).
IBT: Renew deal with Vikings (our saltpeter for 5gpt + 10g).

1762 (6) Utica built Stock Exchange, start small wonder as prebuild.

1764 (7) Hippo, Rome and Theveste built Stock Exchanges, start wealth.

1766 (8) Carthage build Stock Exchange, start wealth. Utica changed to Wall Street.

1768 (9) Discovered radio. Start on Steel. Traded with Keltoi our Sanitation for 67g + 44gpt. Traded with Ottomans our Sanitation for 14g + 11gpt

1770 (10) Utica Build Wall Street, start Intelligence Academy (5 turns).


Culture 20K in CivAssist gives year 1954 (turn No. 444). Now turn No. is 350.

Alex Top
Nov 27, 2004, 06:33 PM
1770ad (0)
1772ad (1)
1774ad (2) clear pollutions
1776ad (3)
1778ad (4) trade our wool to babylonians for 93g +wmap
1780ad (5) trade our spices and wool to Keltoi forsilk 4g 2gpt maps
trade our wool to Persia for furs and wmap (he don't want to pay money)
1782ad (6) mutual protection pact with Germany for his wmap and 13g
Steel - refining (8turns)
Utica IA - The Pentagon (5turns)
Joined 3 workers to Utica (now use all squares)
1784ad (7) Greek trade incense, wmap 2g for our spices
Celtoi - 8gpt, 23g, maps for atomic theory
1786ad (8) pollutions
1788ad (9) Xerexes demanded steel - i agree to his demands.
1790ad (10) we lost horses. I didn't trade.

King Alexander
Nov 27, 2004, 10:27 PM
Our game reaches towards the end...

Utica is building the Pentagon, and there also is Battlefield Medicine to build.

I wouldn't sign MPP with Germany, as we don't need it, and we may find ourselves in war, but the game is reaching it's end, anyway.

btw: we have our science at 100% for Refining in 4, when we can research it in 80% and we learn it in the same turns(4), and we'll make 193gpt instead of 66gpt.

Matternich
Nov 28, 2004, 06:58 PM
Are you sure 20K in Utica will be so soon? According to the city
its more than 900 turns. But buildings culture does double after so many years so it may be sooner becuase of this.

Diplomatic can be reached before this and will give a better score but seems such a waste after all this effort we have put into achieving GW's. But then again we missed out on one of the first big wonders anyway. (pyramids, oracle)

If we have a chance for the vote I'd take it. The other nations are not going to give a majority to any other civ so its worth going for.

Here's the turn


0- 1790 AD took science slider down by 2.

1- 1792
Persia wants to renew ivory deal, at 32gpt- of course.
Dyes for wool to Greece renewed. Pentagn completes. Utica onto Battlfield med.
Carthage onto police station.
Irrigation is needed now so numbers can increase. Population size will boost final score.

Electronics to Keltoi for 51gpt & 90 g.
Greece and Viking are given FREE TECH and both become polite.
Greece also gives us horses for steel.
& Vikings 3gt for corporation.
Ottomans 8gpt& 20g for steel.
Babs 11gpt. & 150g for steel,

Germs Babs & Persians are still furious.

Lux slider goes up 1. Why not. Happy citzens gives a higher score.
(Citizen happiness is what final score is based on.)

2- 1794 AD
Coal to babs for 6gpt. lux up to 2 for thuis tunr only.
Widescale Irrigation begins.

3- 1796 AD
not much

4- 1798 AD Refining onto Combustion in 7 turns. Lux slider back down to zero.
Only 1 oil tile in the tundra- needs a worker to colonize.

5- 1800 AD renew coal with vikings. Electronics to Persia for 26gpt & 150 g.

6- 1802 AD renew ivory with vikings

7- 1804 AD Place expansion- they admire me.

8- 1806 AD not much
9- 1808 AD

Battlefield medicine in utica built onto police station. Lux up 1 as tech down one. combust still in 2 turns.
Babs give 57 gpt & 140 g. for electronics.
I start handing our gold and world maps. Babylon goes to annoyed.

10- 1810 AD
Refining to Greeks for 42gpt & 50 g.
Electronics to Keltoi for 34 gpt.


Conclusions/Suggestions

The Ottomans become annoyed easily. Keep giving them the odd free tech when they do and they return to polite.
Slowly perhaps Persia and Germany will become annoyed and then polite. We are ahead of the tech race so there's no reason why Diplomatic can't be done with a bit of care and attention towards the other nations. Irrigate freely. If you think Utica need less population and more mines again, pop out the odd worker and remine before the next GW.



I am going to be away for awhile. In fact for 2 weeks until 12th of December.
By then things might be all over and we will have achieved a reputable victory:)

I'll try to check in on the board but won't be able to play I'm afraid but Good Luck all in marching us to whatever final victory.

King Alexander
Nov 29, 2004, 11:57 AM
Ok, Matternich, good vacation.

This is my "got it".

Grayarea
Nov 29, 2004, 12:50 PM
1 KA - Playing next
2 Gray - Get ready
3 Sir Ortin
4 Alex top
5 Matternich - Just played

King Alexander
Nov 30, 2004, 03:08 AM
There's a problem here: The latest save on the SGOTM server is from 1790AD, meaning the save is the same that Matternich started on his turns(Matternich finished his turns at 1810AD).

@Matternich: have you uploaded the latest save on the server? In case you're still with us, please do so, otherwise we'll have to wait 2 weeks until you come back.

Sir_Ortin
Dec 02, 2004, 07:14 AM
May be it worth to replay Matternich turns using his description? KingAlexander can do this as a warm-up before his turns.
If there will be a vote, I vote for replayin them.

King Alexander
Dec 02, 2004, 11:41 PM
Maybe our Team Leader(Grayarea) should PM mad-bax and let him know about the situation.

smackster
Dec 03, 2004, 12:38 AM
CivAssist says that 20k is not until 1953, so I think you should look for a different victory path.

I'm not MB but I think you just have to take the current save and play from there, Matternich appears to have been so excited that he was going away that he forgot to post his save.

You might want to play 20-30 turn sessions, or this game will close.

smackster

King Alexander
Dec 03, 2004, 02:38 AM
Ok, thanks, smackster for the advice.

To the Team: I'll PM mad-bax.

What do you say that we play more, like 20 turns to finish the game as I think that we're way behind schedule?

AlanH
Dec 03, 2004, 02:42 AM
I've confirmed that there's no save on the server after 1790 AD. I agree with smackster that you should play from 1790 AD. We're holding the results up for the rest of the teams waiting for you guys to finish.

Grayarea
Dec 03, 2004, 03:58 AM
If everyone has no problem, then KA should replay Matternichs turns as closely as possible and we can continue from there.

mad-bax
Dec 03, 2004, 07:52 AM
I have responded to a PM about this and said that the turns should be replayed. I would also suggest that you play as many turns as you can in one session (whether it is 3 or 30) and put the game up on the server for anyone else in the team to grab. It will speed you up.

I feel badly about cutting the last team off from the game, but I may publish the results this week.

So, I think that I will ask Alan to unhide the results over the weekend and publish a congratulations thread during the week. I will keep the game open for you to continue until the end of December.

King Alexander
Dec 03, 2004, 10:44 AM
Ok, I'll re-play Matternich's turns and I'll play 20 turns for my turns, as should do all members, to finish the game sooner. So, 20 turns from now on for each of us.

King Alexander
Dec 03, 2004, 12:40 PM
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm4/Grayarea_SG004_AD1850_01.SAV

I re-played Matternich's turns and continue:

1812AD (1)
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1814AD (2)
More gifts like techs, maps, etc..

1816AD (3)
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1818AD (4)
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IBT
Greece declared on Persia.

1820AD (5)
zzzzzz

1822AD (6)
zzzzzzz

1824AD (7)
zzzzzzzz

IBT
Vikings and Persia sign MA against Greece.

1826AD (8)
We learn Mass Production >> Motorized Transportation.

Utica: Port of Entry 2.

IBT
Ottomans and Persia sign against Greece: Persia must have payed a lot of money around to sign anyone against Greece!

1828AD (9)
zzzzzzzzz

1830AD (10)
Utica: Port of Entry >> battleship. Hippo and Theveste also on battleship.

1832AD (11)
zzzzzzzzz

1834AD (12)
zzzzzzzz

1836AD (13)
zzzzzzz

1838AD (14)
Motorized Transportation >> Flight.

Trade around Mass Production.

1840AD (15)
zzzzzz

1842AD (16)
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1844AD (17)
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1846AD (18)
zzzzz

1848AD (19)
zzzzzz

1850AD (20)
zzzzzz

Summary

Keep gifting techs that are 1-2 behind our current tech, maps, 1gpt, etc..., but not to Persia: Persia won't vote for us anyway, so trade the techs with Xerxes.

Start on Fission asap once we learn Flight to build the UN and hold a vote: as we rech to build the UN, keep gifting more and more, every turn, like maps, gpt, techs, etc..

If we don't learn Fission as our free tech, maybe we should gift techs to the other civs to enter the Modern Ages and see what techs they got for free: if they got Fission, trade for it and start the UN.

Take a look at the science slider every turn: if we can lower it, raise the luxury slider to the x% that we lowered science, so we have more happy citizens for the final score.

Grayarea
Dec 04, 2004, 10:57 AM
1 KA - Just played
2 Gray - Skipped (away till tuesday)
3 Sir Ortin - Playing next
4 Alex top - Get ready
5 Matternich

Alex Top
Dec 05, 2004, 01:55 PM
Sir Ortin:
1850 (0)
1852 (1)
1854 (2) Discovered Flight. Traded and gifted techs for all civs exept Persia to move them into

modern age. Traded for Roketry as a free tech of scientific civ. Discovery Fission in 12 turns.
1856 (3)
1858 (4)
1860 (5)
1862 (6)
1864 (7) Fission in 7 turns.
1866 (8)
1868 (9)
1870 (10)
1872 (11) Utica start Palace prebuild (4 turns).
1870 (12) New world war arised through the planet...
1876 (13) Persia destroyed Ottomans civ. What a pity!
1878 (14) Discovered Fission, start UN in Utica (8 turns).
1880 (15)
1882 (16)
1884 (17)
1886 (18)
1888 (19)
1890 (20)

Alex Top
Dec 05, 2004, 01:57 PM
Alex Top:
1892 (1) UN next turn. Traded Fission with Persia, gifted to all others.
1894 (2) #$^&&^%$%^*** Pollution near Utica, UN next turn.
1896 (3) Utica built UN, we hold election. 3 for us, 3 for Persia, 1 for none. Damn! Traded for

Uranium with Greece.
1898 (4)
1900 (5)
1902 (6) Computers - Miniaturization (14 turns)
1904 (7) Prsian began SETI
Rome began SETI
1906 (8)
1908 (9)
1910 (10)
1912 (11) Cartage,Hippo,Theveste built research labs
1914 (12) Mahattan project in Utica
1916 (13)
1918 (14) Elections: same results like 1896year elections
1920 (15) Utica built reserch lab
1922 (16)
1924 (17) Persian completed SETI
1926 (18) Rome swiched to reserch lab
1928 (19) Miniaturization - Genetics
Keltoi attempting to plant a spy in our capital
Internet in Utica in 10 turns
1930 (20) Space flight for Miniaturization map and 6385g to Keltoi
Made some gifts and trades.

King Alexander
Dec 05, 2004, 09:26 PM
What a bad luck!

King Alexander
Dec 05, 2004, 11:02 PM
Grayarea is away until Tuesday, so, I'm next to play(Matternich also is away)

I don't know if it worths to try a 3rd time for UN victory; we may lose the other time, as the wars are going on, and the smaller civs are losing to Greece and Persia.
Cultural Vitctory is not far away, so I'll go for it(CivAssist says year 1948AD, and we're in 1930AD).

Pre-turn
Made upgrades and leave few units inside towns, now that all civs can build nukes.

IBT
Greece,Persia,Keltoi begin the Internet.

1932AD (1)
zzzzzzzz

1934AD (2)
zzzzzzzz

IBT
Vikings and Germany sign Peace Treaty.
Babylon starts the Internet.
Our uranium deal with Greece ends - I don't renew it.

1936AD (3)
Carthage finishes Airport >> fighter. Theveste: offshore platform >> airport.

IBT
Germany wants MPP, I deny.

1938AD (4)
Rome: airport >> fighter. Hippo: offshore platform >> airport.
I buy Gems from Greece for WM + 232g.

Babylon has been left with only 2 cities, from it's war with Greece.

IBT
Our deal with Keltoi ends: I offer Spices + Wool for Silks.
Persia and Vikings sign Peace Treaty.
Our deal with Persia ends: I offer Wool + 140g for Furs + Uranium.
Our deal with Babylon ends: I offer saltpeter for 5gpt.

I don't hold elections for the UN, this time.

1040AD (5)
Theveste: airport >> wealth. Rome: fighter >> fighter. Carthage: fighter >> wealth.

1942AD (6)
Hippo: airport >> wealth. Romre: fighter >> fighter.

IBT
Germany wants RoP - I deny.
Our deal with Greece ends: I offer Spices for Incense + 4gpt.

1944AD (7)
Romre: fighter >> fighter.

1946AD (8)
I offer Wool to Vikings for 1gpt. Romre: fighter >> fighter.

IBT
Persia and Germany sign Peace Treaty.

1948AD (9)
Utica finishes The Internet, and we get a Cultural Victory(20k) :goodjob:

Good to play with everyone, guys: Maybe we'll play together again in another SGOTM/SG :)

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm4/Grayarea_SG004_AD1948_01.SAV

mad-bax
Dec 06, 2004, 04:25 AM
Hey guys! Well done. :goodjob:

I will post the results as soon as I can.

Matternich
Dec 12, 2004, 01:39 PM
Hi I am back.
Good to see we had a victory & not a bad one either. Shame I missed the closing stages.
I have to say I think we have done pretty well.
Altogether a good team effort- congrats all round.