Welcome to the province of Zarnia.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Zarnia_copy.jpg

Cities - Mayors:
Zojoji (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=97764)- Cyc
Fanatikku- None
Furuyama- Donovan Zoi
Immo- Immortal

This is a province of Democracy. I want all buildqueues in all 4 cities to be democratically set. And all non-mayor cities will have democratic elections for the Mayor position.

If you want to comment, change or propose buildqueues; post in this thread.
I will PM all mayors if they want to continue their Mayor-ship. If they don't; the city is looking for a new mayor. This could be you. If you want to apply for a mayor-ship; please post your interest here.

Candidates for Mayor ship:
Zarn - would like to be Mayor of Fanatikku
JackA - would like to be Mayor.

The Mayor of Zojoji would like to welcome our new Governor. The humble people of Zojoji wish you a productive Term here. If you have any questions or concerns, please come to the Zojoji City thread. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=97764)

i miss the repblicans(as i am one) :( ;)
Congrats on your election RM :)

i miss the repblicans(as i am one) :( ;)
Congrats on your election RM :)

I'm not going, anywhere. I would probably have more posts in this thread than all but maybe Rik and Cyc (but I think I will out post Cyc :p).

BTW, I even running for mayor of Fanatikku.

:lol: This will be just like family! :lol:

:lol: This will be just like family! :lol:

Come again?

I asked the governor elect to look for strong mayors. He said there will be elections, so I hope the people make the right choice in choosing the new mayors.

Come again?

Oops! Did I say family? :eek: I meant a group of people in a strongly-based, very friendly relationship with a wide degree of variance in opinion. :blush: I was mainly going off the competitiveness in your posting statement and the Political Parties comment. Sorry, didn't mean to upset you. :cool:

:lol: This will be just like family! :lol:

Scary. http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads4/CT_scared.gif

Honorable Governor Rik,
I have previously made this request of Governor Zarn last term, but I want to repeat it and ask you in this term. I would like to borrow the use of the unimproved bonus grass between Eridu and Immo. This allows Eridu to have surplus food and one additional shield at this time. If you feel that Immo needs this tile I will return its use to Zarnia at your request.

Thanks - MOTH
Governor of Hairando

Oops! Did I say family? :eek: I meant a group of people in a strongly-based, very friendly relationship with a wide degree of variance in opinion. :blush: I was mainly going off the competitiveness in your posting statement and the Political Parties comment. Sorry, didn't mean to upset you. :cool:

That's what I thought you meant. :lol:

Honorable Governor Rik,
I have previously made this request of Governor Zarn last term, but I want to repeat it and ask you in this term. I would like to borrow the use of the unimproved bonus grass between Eridu and Immo. This allows Eridu to have surplus food and one additional shield at this time. If you feel that Immo needs this tile I will return its use to Zarnia at your request.

Thanks - MOTH
Governor of HairandoThat is fine; with it Immo is at 9 spt or 11 spt; and without it at 10 spt. Immo doesn't need it yet. Please do request it again after the TC. The land-lease-act is only valid for 1 TC - period.

Zarnians: Time to discuss; and it is about buildqueues:

What do you want build in Zarnia ?

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_-_ZarniaQueue_360_AD.JPG

(Humble) Suggestion

Fanatikku: Sword, Sword, Market, Horse
Furuyama: Horse, Horse, Library
Immo: Horse, Horse, Library, Colosseum
Zojoji: Sword, Sword, Colosseum, Market

4 Swords (current 20)
5 Horses (current 2)
2 Markets
2 Libraries
2 Colosseums

Honored Governor Rik Meleet,

I request that a settler be produced ASAP from one of the cities of Zarnia so we can resettle the area previously occupied by the Romans known as Neapolis.

((BTW, what paint program do you use?))

Honored Governor Rik Meleet,

I request that a settler be produced ASAP from one of the cities of Zarnia so we can resettle the area previously occupied by the Romans known as Neapolis.noted. And so is Zarn's proposal.
((BTW, what paint program do you use?))A small, easy to use and cheap little paint programm, called "Photoshop 7.0".

Great opening graphics, Governor Rik Meleet. Very, very well done.
As Mayor of Zojoji, I concur with Mayor Zarn's suggestion for our humble city. We look forward to the day when we can recapture our lost Colosseum. :)

Governor Rik Meleet

Thank you for your offer of a tour around Zarnia, I think it would be an excellent idea. I do not know if President Chieftess will have time to tear herself away from the capital in these time of war, but I would be delighted to go. I have recently returned from a short visit to Zojoji's new gardens, and although I did not sample any of Mayor Cyc's hopefully excellent wine, I was treated to a somewhat fortified (with whisky) cup of tea which proved to be excellent for my flu, although it did appear to have some interesting side effects.

I'm looking forward to this trip and hope I have not given the impression that it's just for the prospect of a glass of wine or two - methinks I'm starting to get myself a reputation!

I look forward to your company,

VP Furiey

PS: Nice graphic; that small, easy to use and cheap little paint program comes in useful sometimes!

noted. And so is Zarn's proposal.
A small, easy to use and cheap little paint programm, called "Photoshop 7.0".

"cheap"!? It's $200! Paint Shop Pro is $100, and almost just as good.

I took that comment tongue in cheek CT, as a full version of Photoshop is none of those things, but is rather good.

"cheap"!? It's $200! Paint Shop Pro is $100, and almost just as good.Irony sometimes isn't easy to spot...

So these are the buildqueues the citizens want ?
I've taken out all swordsmen and replaced them by horsemen. Samurai are upgraded from horses, not swords.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_-_ZarniaQueue_360_AD1.JPG

After further consideration, I would like to retain my mayorship of Furuyama. Hopefully you haven't submitted the resignation paperwork yet? :)

I wish to be govenor of Furuyama!

I wish to be govenor of Furuyama!
3 problems:
1. DZ isnt resigning afterall
2. Its mayor not governor
3. I believe Rik is going to have elections for mayorships

This is the situation Zarnia is in now:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_-_ZarniaQueue_460_AD.JPG

We can Micro Manage cities to focus on many things. For instance Zojoji can be MM-ed to have +1 food and grow in 27 turns, finishing the market in 4 turns. It can also be MM-ed to grow in 4, building the market in 13 turns.

Fanatikku can grow in 4, finishing the Samurai in 3 turns.
etc.

What do you want for each city; speed in growth or speed in production ?
And what should the cities build ???

I propose:
Fanatikku: Samurai -> worker -> Samurai
Furuyama: Samurai -> worker (city to be MM-ed to grow the turn worker is ready).
Immo: Library -> worker -> worker
Zojoji: Market -> Harbor -> Pike

JackA: I'll put your name down for mayorship. Elections haven't started yet.
Donovan Zoi has decided to continue his Mayor-ship of Furuyama. Immortal hasn't responded yet. I do not have the power to 'take Immo away from Immortal' and I don't want to. So at the moment only the Capitol Fanatikku has an opening for mayor.

JackA, there are also three cities in eastern province that needs mayor, if you are interested just go there and nominate (thread is in citizen forum). There are currently only 1 candidate so i guess you will have no oposition in mayorship.

For the 360 AD turnchat Governor MOTH requested:I've said that it was ok for that turnchat.

Does the governor of Hair-proivnce still need the tile or can Hair-province take care of their own tiles now? If it does, I am not sure if I can prolong the land-lease-act. It depends on what the people want with Immo. If Immo needs that tile; it is Immo's. If Immo doesn't need it, you can borrow it for another 100 years (or how long the TC lasts).

Is this acceptable ?

Regards,
Rik Meleet
Governor of Zarnia province.


This is acceptable. I fully appreciate that this is a lending of the tile and not a grant to my province. If it is possible that I could continue to use it then it will help with the growth and production capability in Nilhilon, if not then I will make do with what I have.

Thanks - MOTH
Governor of Southern Province.

Governor: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2136050&postcount=13

That's resigning, if you ask me. That's the 13th post of the Official Absense Registry.

These instructions are posted:


http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_-_ZarniaQueue_460_AD1.JPG

Please MM Zojoji in such a way the marketplace is build in 5 turns, with the maximum food (+3 fpt is what I found).

* denotes: Furuyama needs to be micromanaged to finish the worker the turn it grows.
** denotes: After Zojoji finishes the market, please MM Zojoji that the granary finishes the turn before Zojoji grows.

If Immo doesn't need the BG tile that Eridu also has access to; use it for Eridu.

If you want to comment; I can still change them.

Governor Rik Meleet, I have posted again in your discussion thread in the Citizen's sub-forum about the question you asked of me. I'm not sure about the legnth of time need for the production of the Granary, but it should be for too long. Please make mention that the new Laborer should be placed on a mined Hill. Thank you.

The Marketplace needs 62 shields to complete. That is 4 turns of 13 shields and 1 turn of 10. When the Granary is next (60 shields) that can be completed in 2 turns of 16 spt. and 2 turns of 14 spt. Even if Zojoji stays at 3 fpt (can't get 15 spt then) it will grow the same turn the granary finishes (= bad). Just 1 less food (which will be done due to 14 or 16spt) will increase the growth time by 1 turn.

Thus: there is no way on earth Zojoji will grow before the granary is completed; if the instructions to MM Zojoji in such a way that the granary finishes the turn before Zojoji grows are followed.

I have full confidence in the President's Micro-Management capabilities. Of course it helps if someone reminds the President in the TC to check for this. The TC is scheduled -again- at a time I cannot join.

Guess: market in 5; granary in 4 (total 9 turns) and growth in about 10 or 11 turns.

I encourage the Governor to take advantage of our Golden Age of Prosperity and build improvements instead of Samurai. When all useful improvements, or if an improvement would be irrelevant to the city, are completed then continue with the productuion of Samurai.

I think you should still build a little bit of samurai, but I think there should be an emphasis put on the improvements.

BTW, when are the mayor elections?

Here are Zarnia's queues and tile layout.

MM Zojoji as depicted in the double city picture. on turn 1; make sure it finished the marketplace. In turns 2, 3 and 4, Have it at 20 spt, to finish granary in 3 turns. After that, MM the way you like.

Immo needs the BG it has given to Eridu for use the last 100's of years. When Immo has finished its granary, MM it to 10 spt while it is building workers.

Of course; if a Zarnian city is chosen for a Wonder-build; it should be included into the queue in this way:

Fanatikku: Immediately.
Furuyama: Ignore it. Furuyama is not a proper Wonder location due to its size and low SPT. Furuyama is not available for Wonder production.
Immo: When the Library is finished.
Zojoji: When the Market is finished.

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Zarn: 3 Samurai are in the queue.

BTW, when are the mayor elections?
I plan to hold them Ocotber 15th

Governor Rik,
I have included in my instructions that the laborers in my city of Nihilon stop working on the BG near Immo. It seems that when you ordered the production of Workers (and no longer worked the tile) that Nihilon's newly born laborer couldn't help but labor these lush lands. If it is possible, I wouldn't mind if we could work this tile, but I leave that up to you.

I also wanted to point out that in this post (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2252268&postcount=29) I have requested from the Ministry of War that defensive garrisons be considered for two cities in my province as well as Furuyama in your province. If the MSAV agrees then Furuyama should have a garrison of one regular spearman by the end of the next Turn Chat.

Thanks - MOTH
Governor of HAI-RANDO

Governor Moth:
Immo doesn't need that tile this TC. You can use it.

I've posted these instructions. If anyone wants to comment, advise or critisise them; please do so here.

Buildqueues
Fanatikku Samurai Worker University
Furuyama Pike Worker Catapult
Immo Samurai Workers (*) University
Zojoji Pike University Bank

(*) = During and after Immo builds the Samurai; keep it at high food. As long as Immo can produce 10 shields per turn, build workers. When it has less than 10 spt; start University.

Wonders
If a Zarnian city is chosen for a Wonder-build; it should be included into the queue in this way:

Fanatikku: Immediately.
Furuyama: Ignore it. Furuyama is not a proper Wonder location due to its size and low SPT. Furuyama is not available for Wonder production.
Immo: Immediately.
Zojoji: Immediately. But in that case, I will ask the Minister of Defense to Increase Zojoji's defense force with a pike.

Special DP right
If any of Zarnia's cities can be "smarter" micro-managed; the DP is free to do so, if (and only if) we are wasting food or shields.

I wouldn't call it a DP right, perhaps a DP perk. :p

The queues look fine, but I'm curious of why you want a catapult. Are you planning to get people to the other continent quicker via air travel?

I wouldn't call it a DP right, perhaps a DP perk. :p

The queues look fine, but I'm curious of why you want a catapult. Are you planning to get people to the other continent quicker via air travel?I just noticed the small amount of artillery units in our nation -2 IIRC-
Cats, cannons, arties are excellent defensive weapons. I was thinking about the safety of the Japanaticans in general and the safety of Zarnians in peticulair.

I just noticed the small amount of artillery units in our nation -2 IIRC-
Cats, cannons, arties are excellent defensive weapons. I was thinking about the safety of the Japanaticans in general and the safety of Zarnians in peticulair.

I agree with Rik here. We need more artillery, both defensive and offensive. They're a tremendous help either way.

Zarn is appointed Mayor of Fanatikku. There were no other contestants, so an election is pointless.

Zarnia's instructions:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_-_ZarniaQueue_710_AD.JPG

Buildqueues
Fanatikku University Worker Worker Samurai
Furuyama Catapult Aquaduct
Immo University Samurai
Zojoji Pike (repeat entire TC)

Wonders
If a Zarnian city is chosen for a Wonder-build; it should be included into the queue in this way:

Fanatikku: When the University is finished.
Furuyama: Ignore it. Furuyama is not a proper Wonder location due to its size and low SPT. Furuyama is not available for Wonder production.
Immo: Immediately.
Zojoji: Immediately.

Special DP right
If any of Zarnia's cities can be "smarter" micro-managed; the DP is free to do so, if (and only if) we are wasting food or shields.

The instructions for Zojoji are changed to:
The reason is that the citizens want a Wonder build in Zojoji.

(..)- As per this poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=102356) Smith's Trading Company should be built in Shorin-Ryu beginning immediately.

- This poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=102060) shows that we would also like another Wonder to be started. So a prebuild should be started in Zojoji-- for a Wonder that will be determined by the next Turnchat. (..)

There are three improvements that could be made in Fanatikku.

Bank: Increased tax revenue, but at this point, it won't do much good.

Cathedral: Increased happiness, but we are in the clear for a while (6 :D ,1 :),5 :().

Courthouse: In my opinion, the least useful of the three. Since Fanatikku is the capital, a courthouse will not be needed.

Building units seems the way to go, at this point.

I've posted these instructions. Please respond if you have any comments.

Zarnia's instructions:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_-_ZarniaQueue_790_AD1.JPG

Buildqueues
Fanatikku Samurai Samurai Samurai Samurai
Furuyama Catapult Aquaduct Samurai
Immo Musket Catapult Musket Catapult
Zojoji Palace (Wonder-prebuild)

* Please mine the grassland S-SW of Fanatikku to get it off of the awful 17 uncorrupted spt. Just 1 more spt allows Samurai in 4 instead of 5 turns.
* Please make sure Immo will be at 15 uncorrupted spt after it grows to size 9. Preferably by mining the 2 grassland tiles SW-SW and W-SW of Immo-center.
* Please cut down the forest E-NE of Furuyama when it is building the aquaduct. If possible, road and irrigate that tile. (possible irrigation route is the desert South of that tile and the desert S-E of that tile.

Special DP right
If any of Zarnia's cities can be "smarter" micro-managed; the DP is free to do so, if (and only if) we are wasting food or shields.

I don't know if growth is a priority for Zojoji or not, but if it isn't, would the governor consider MMing the laborers to provide the maximum shield production (from 19 to 23)? This would reduce the growth rate to zero, but would net us an extra 4 shields per turn.

If our goal is for Zojoji to grow, I fully understand. But, remember, the sooner we get our Wonders built, the sooner we benefit from them.

Thank you,
Pope Ashburnham

@Ashburnham: Growth is important to Zojoji. It's only size 10 and needs to be brought up to size 12 to have access to most shield producing tiles. And to use Zojoji's reserch capabilities to the maximum.

As of now, This poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=102910) shows a great sentiment towards colonizing the other continent, and a middling sentiment in intervening in the Sino-German War if at all possible.

Therefore, I would like the Governor to consider possible contributions to any overseas plans, as this would be the TC in which we would "build" the "Expeditionary force".

Governor Rik Meleet, I am here to proposed changing the production in Zojoji from a Caravel to a Cathedral. My main points have been made in this post (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2285337&postcount=63), which I'm sure you've already read. We do need the Culture and we do need to graduate our humble city from a Temple to a Cathedral. There are many options that will unfold quickly for us and by producing the Cathedral in 3 turns, one of our present options can be taken care of. A Bank would also benefit our city and the nation.

There is also talk of building the Wall Street Wonder and a Trade deal to bring us the advance of Music Theory. If we can acquire Music Theory, Zojoji would would like to place it's name to list list of cities to build it. I realize that you would rather supress our nation's Cultural development this game by not building Wonders, but my citizens feel we need to expand in this direction, not only to bring more glory to Japanatica and Zojoji, but to honor the great Tokugawa. Please find it in your heart to release your restrictions on this matter and let us flourish in light our God has given us.
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Cyc: I don't see the immediate need for a Cathedral, and I do see the immediate need for caravels; as the Minister of Domestic affairs requests. And a bank has limited value as well; it will cost us more than its short term revenue will be as we hardly generate cash with 100% science. At the moment its only use is as a counter for Wall Street.

I have not taken a perfect look at the buildqueues yet; as I've had the most difficult 5 days of my moderator-ship so far; but I'm planning to do that tomorrow.

Blindly I'm saying: caravels, with perhaps a bank in between. If there is a Wall street to be build or a Bach who needs a home I will (and I know you will too) present Zojoji as excellent location for it.

But OTOH, who could refuse this: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/dogezas.gif ???

Commerce is key not fleets. We aren't computer age TRs (Teddy Roosevelts)! :p

I've posted these instructions:

Buildqueues
Fanatikku: Bank (8) - Cathedral - Samurai / Cav (if we know MT).
Zojoji: Cathedral (3) - Bank - WallStreet (-prebuild).
Furuyama: - Aquaduct (9) - Caravel
Immo: Cathedral (4) - Bank - Musket

Please MM Zojoji to this:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/zojo980ad.jpg

Governor Rik,
Re zojoji: I do not have the ability to load the save right now so I can't check this, but couldn't you get another beaker or 2 at the expense of 1 shield by working the coast? This should still allow 20 post corruption spt which should work out just fine for finishing the Cathedral and building the bank.

Thanks - MOTH

Moth: I cut some corners and did not check the screenshot Cyc posted. If you ask Cyc this in his "Zojoji - the city" thread and he agrees, I am more than willing to replace the original screenshot by the new proposal Cyc will make.

Governor, please remove "Palace" from Zojoji's Build Queue. We need the "Designated Prebuild" should the Forbidden Palace be moved from Odawara.