i want to make my own Québec civ with a custom government that is available from the beginning and cannot be changed. the benefit of having a decent government at the start would be balanced by the inability to change it, along with other disadvantages i would incorporate into certain aspects of the game. all units will most probably be ones i've found in the incredibly useful and helpful unit library thread, with the names and stats changed enough to balance out the gameplay (musketmen changed to "fusilliers", infantry changed to "patriotes", etc.).

now, what i am looking for is a Québecois leaderhead, perhaps levesque, bouchard, parizeau or duceppe... i remember seeing something on these forums mentioned about a bouchard head, but i stupidly did not look into it, and am now unable to find it again... if there is one available, please post it. it does not have to be animated or even era-specific.

i was also wondering if there were any "swords & sorcery" type mods for plain-vanilla civ3, since i've had this version since it came out and don't have the money to get conquests or PTW right now.

i have another question about adding buildings to the icons PCX files... what do i do when i run out of graph? heh... there's only one or two places for new ones on the sheet.

any help is appreciated, this site is the best resource for civ3 on the web, and all of the posters know what they're doing.

Hey, that's a good idea. I say go for it :goodjob:

I think CivArmy s. 1994 was planning to do a leaderhead for Québec sometime (although I'm not sure how soon, as he does have a lot of other projects going) so you could ask him about that.

Have you decided what that custom government is going to be? I'm interested as to what it is.

Also, I bet there are several forum members that would probably supply you with information such as city list, civilopedia entry, etc. very quickly, should you need them.

By the way, welcome to CFC! :wavey:

How about Samuel de Champlain for a leaderhead, founder/settler of Quebec.

Yeap, I have in mind to do a Quebec Civilization, with animated 3d leader and everything a civ needs, but now now, I'm busy with some units and leaderheads.

champlain is a really good idea, i hadn't thought of it. what would be cool is different animated heads for each era... i mean, people generally don't live 6000 years (though they don't live hundreds either :lol:).

ancient -- champlain
middle -- (one of the fils-de-liberté leaders)
industrial -- duplessis
modern -- duceppe

oh yes, i forgot to answer your question, haha -- the custom government has a few tentative titles and changes... "Nationalisme Démocratique" (democratic nationalism), "Socialisme Nationale" (national socialism), "Nationalisme Français" (french nationalism).

what i'm working with now is as follows:
corruption: problematic
cost/unit: 1
free units: 0
per town: 1
per city: 3
per metropolis: 5
rate cap: 10
worker rate: 2
assimilation chance: 5
draft limit: 2
military police limit: 4
hurry: paid
no war weariness
spies are veteran
immune to "initiate propaganda"
1 gold per building
no tile penalty or bonus (this is probably their biggest drawback, since they're unable to change govs. i think it's pretty balanced, but i may decide to give them a worker rate of 3).

I would recommend against calling the government 'Socialisme Nationale.' The English language translation (National Socialism) is the term from which 'Nazi' is derrived. The government of Quebec has taken many forms down through the ages, but, mercifully, fascism has never been one of them. To be fair, 'National Socialism' used in the context of Quebec is infinitely more accurate than Hitler's Germany.

As for leaderheads, have you considered Frontenac? If you're looking for a UU, there was talk a while ago about a Voyageur unit. I think that a Patriote might also be a good idea.

I remember making a description for a Quebec Civ for the civilopedia... I ll gave to find it...

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Name: Québecois
Adjective: Québecois

Traits: Agricultural and Commercial (this would be an “modern” Quebec traits, I would highly recommend that you use this one)

OR

Religious and Commercial (this could be based when the French settler build colony, religion was a huge part of Quebec society, but not now, religious power is almost gone from Quebec)

Civilopedia:

When the French started to colonize America, by a man named Jacques Cartier, a French explorer, they have landed in the St. Lawrence River, and planted a cross in the Gaspé in 1534, and claim the territory in the name of the king of France. The territory was known as “La Nouvelle-France”, “New-France”. At that time, the territory of Modern day Quebec was called Canada. The royalty of France didn’t care much about this new found land, until the year 1627. After 1627, King Louis XIII of France introduced the seigneurial system and forbade settlement in New France by anyone other than Roman Catholics, ensuring that welfare and education was kept firmly in the hands of the church. New France became a royal province in 1663 under Louis XIV and the intendant Jean Talon. The “Québecois” were mainly hunter and trader (who traded with Indian Tribes) and The French claimed a large proportion of North America. The French-Settler wasn’t numerous in America, and with a large territory, it was difficult to protect. With the constant war between France and Britain, New-France was in constantly in war agains’t their English neighbors. Through many war, France gave their colony in North America to Britain. In 1774, the British Parliament passed the Quebec Act that allowed Quebec to maintain the French Civil Code as its judicial system and sanctioned the freedom of religious choice, allowing the Roman Catholic Church to remain. Quebec retained its seigneurial system and civil law code after the conquest. Owing to an influx of Loyalist refugees from the US Revolutionary War, the Constitutional Act of 1791 saw the colony divided in two at the Ottawa River; the western part became Upper Canada (which will be later known as Ontario) and changed to the British legal system. The eastern part was named Lower Canada (Modern day Quebec).

In 1867, Quebec and Ontario, joining with the other British colonies of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia will create the Canadian Confederation, and later on, many more province will join the country, and create modern day Canada.


Even thought the “Québecois” was the only “French Speaking” people in North-America, they retained their cultural identity through out these past hundreds years. With an high nationalism feeling toward their province, some Québecois went with far more extremist way to gain independence from Canada. Two most notable movement were the Patriotes Rebellion of 1837 and the “Front de libération du Québec” (FLQ) of the 1960’s. After these two rebellion against the British Crown and the rest of Canada, the Québecois voted on two different occasion, in the 1980 Quebec referendum. Sixty per cent of the Quebec electorate voted against it. And finally, October 30, 1995, in a second referendum the vote for Quebec independence was rejected by an extremely slim margin, less than one per cent.

For centuries, the Quebeceers has always tried to keep their cutlural and identity in a continent filled with anglophone. Often described as a crossroads between Europe and America, Quebec is home to a people that has the privilege of being connected to the strong cultural currents of the United States, France, and the British Isles all at the same time.


City names:

Québec City
Montrèal
Trois-Rivière
Sherbrooke
Laval
Hull
Sept-îles
St-Jérome
Louisburg
Rosemère
Blainville
Gaspé
Deux-Montagnes
Gatineau
Joliette
Lachine
Le Gardeur
Longueuil
Lévis
Rougemont
Saguenay
Sorel
Windsor

Shunned Gouvernement: Fascism
Favorite Gouvernement: Democracy
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I think Quebec's UU should be something more in the colonial time. Let's face it, The Patriote failed when they tried to gain Quebec independence, and I dont think it could be known as a golden age (even thought I could agree that Quebec never had something we could call a golden age)... if they would succeed, sure, but I dont think so... But it is kinda of hard to think about a unit for Quebec, I think a unit which could replace the LongBow Man, and would act as a forest ranger, or as we call it here "Coureur des Bois" (They were often used to make deal with the indians). I would suggest naming their UU "Ranger" or "Wood Ranger". Maybe has a increase stat, or could move much more faster than the LongBow Man.

Just my thought, use it as you like.

(oh yeah, while I am here, creating a new gouvernement for Quebc? I dont think so, democratie is close enough)

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Even thought the “Québecois” was the only “French Speaking” people in North-America, they retained their cultural identity through out these past hundreds years.

well, you do have the "Acadiens" in New Brunswick and also scattered in some regions of Nova Scotia... and their descendents also in Louisiana, the "Cajuns"


i was under the impression that Samuel de Champlain is associated with the Acadiens moreso than the Quebecois

The first permanent european settlement in Canada was in Port Royal Nova Scotia (Acadie was the Native Name for Nova Scotia, hence; the French Acadians) by people brought over by Champlain. Champlain is also responsible for settlements in Quebec. The English deported the French Acadians in 1755 because England was about to go to war with the French, the Americans accepted them in New England and Louisiana.
As Jonatas said Cajuns, Frenchman speaks "hello I'm Acadian", English man hears "I'm a Cajun". Another example Indian=>Injun.

There is a statue in front of the Hotel Frontenac in Quebec City of Champlain, they don't erect staues for no reason.

The first permanent european settlement in Canada was in Port Royal Nova Scotia (Acadie was the Native Name for Nova Scotia, hence; the French Acadians) by people brought over by Champlain. Champlain is also responsible for settlements in Quebec. The English deported the French Acadians in 1755 because England was about to go to war with the French, the Americans accepted them in New England and Louisiana.
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yes, and just to add a bit more info, in those days Nova Scotia (or Acadie as the region was called by the french) encompassed what today is known as the provinces of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick... most of the Acadiens in what is now known presently the "province" of Nova Scotia were deported, however in the area of modern day New Brunswick there are still many Acadiens indeed, close to half the population of the province...
the Acadien culture, dialect and history is distinct from Quebecois, though if you go back far enough, you do have common links, like our man Sam de Champ

well, you do have the "Acadiens" in New Brunswick and also scattered in some regions of Nova Scotia... and their descendents also in Louisiana, the "Cajuns"


i was under the impression that Samuel de Champlain is associated with the Acadiens moreso than the Quebecois


Oops, sorry, I forgot about the Acadiens. But its kinda hard to tell if the (what we could call modern) Quebeceers and Acadien has their own signifance culture... But yes, saying that the quebeceers are the only one tlaking french in N-A is wrong... my mistake ;) Sorry about that.

Anyways, what do you guys think about my version of the "Quebec's UU?"

I think a unit which could replace the LongBow Man, and would act as a forest ranger, or as we call it here "Coureur des Bois" (They were often used to make deal with the indians). I would suggest naming their UU "Ranger" or "Wood Ranger". Maybe has a increase stat, or could move much more faster than the LongBow Man.

Well hey, if they get a unique government, why not give'em two UUs? The Coureur des Bois and the patriotes? I would love to see both units made.

There are also a small number of Francophones in Manitoba and Newfoundland, as well as the French colony of St. Pierre-Miqueleon (although whether or not those islands count as part of North America is unclear.
How are you going to mod it so that Quebec can't change governments?