Term 4 - The Province of Hai-Rando

Past Term Threads:
Term 3 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=101178)
Term 2 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=100182)

Brief History: This province was 'created' in Term 2, with MOTH appointed as governor and myself as deputy. We continued to serve the same positions in Term 3. This term, MOTH has decdided to run for culture, and I gained governorship of this province without a contest. And that's where the past ends and the present begins. This is my third straight term serving the province of Hai-Rando.

Screenshot:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/dg5_hairando_1355ad.JPG

City Information:
Eploenep (capital) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=103544)
Population 7 - 7 :) - growth in 18 - +1 food
Founded: 1725 BC
Mayor: MOTH
Shields: 10/12
Commerce: 29/35
Improvements: Barracks, Granary, Temple, Marketplace, Library, Courthouse, Walls, University, Cathedral, Colosseum
Garrison: Vet. Musketmen
Culture: 1103 - 16 per turn - 557 turns to expand

Regent Town (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=99205)
Population 12 - 19 :) 2 :| 1 :( - growth in 19 - +1 food
Founded: 1000 BC
Mayor: RegentMan
Shields: 14/22
Commerce: 26/39
Improvements: Barracks, Granary, Temple, Marketplace, Library, Courthouse, Walls, Aqueduct, Cathedral, University, Colosseum, Heroic Epic
Garrison: 2 Vet. Musketmen, 6 Cavalry, 5 Cannons
Culture: 1350 - 20 per turn - 433 turns to expand

Manchai (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=102198)
Population 6 - 6 :) - growth in -- - +1 food
Founded: 130 BC
Mayor: Detail
Shields: 8/11
Commerce: 16/24
Improvements: Temple, Granary, Marketplace, Walls, Harbor, Library, Cathedral
Garrison: Vet. Musket
Culture: 382 - 10 per turn - 62 turns to expand

Nihilon
Population 3 - 3 :-) - growth in 1 - +1 food
Founded: 850 BC
Mayor: None
Shields: 6/8
Commerce: 9/11
Improvements: Temple, Library, Walls, Granary, Marketplace
Garrison: Vet. Musketman
Culture: 406 - 5 per turn - 119 turns to expand

Gerunshi
Population 8 - 6 :) 2 :( - growth in 5 - +3 food
Founded: 30 AD
Mayor: None.
Shields: 6/10
Commerce: 8/20
Improvements: Barracks, Temple, Walls, Granary, Aqueduct, Marketplace
Garrison: Vet. Musket
Culture: 186 - 2 per turn - 407 to expand

Drachenfels
Population 8 - 6 :) 2 :( - growth in 4 - +3 food
Founded: 490 AD
Mayor: None.
Shields: 10/12
Commerce: 22/28
Improvements: Temple, Library, Granary, Marketplace, Aqueduct, Courthouse
Garrison: Vet. Musket
Culture: 351 - 5 per turn - 130 to expand

Tonawanda
Population 2 - 2 :) - growth in -- - +0 food
Founded: 630 BC
Mayor: None.
Shields: 1/1
Commerce: 1/8
Improvements: Barracks, Granary, Temple
Garrison: Vet. Cavalry
Culture: 16 - 2 per turn - 42 to expand

Miscellaneous Information:
Governor: Ginger_Ale
Deputy Governor: None - if interested, please PM me or post in this thread

All comments are welcome - this thread is going to be used for proposed turnchat instructions, general discussion of what this province's goals / wishes for the term are, and anything else that relates to this province. Please do not hesitate to post here. Thanks, and may we have a great term together!

Honorable Governor Elect,
I welcome your thoughts on build queues for the end of my lame duck term. I wouldn't want to start anything that is contary to your future plans. Please check in over at the Term 3 thread. I'm going there now to post build queues.

Thanks - Lame Duck MOTH

This thread has been updated to include city information and a screenshot from 1090 AD. Hope it helps you all!

@Moth: I am heading over to your thread now -- I have the save open now, so I'm ready.

Epolenep (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=103544) now has a city thread.

Starting sometime in the Second TC, we would likely be able to construct Railroads.

Since the benefits of railroads are the same (instant transportation and +1 to Irrigation or Mines) whether the rail line is direct or serpentine, I would like you to ask your Mayors which tiles they would most like to be improved upon. Mined and Irrigated Tiles will be the only ones considered for these requests. (Doesn't mean I won't RR un"improved" tiles, but I would like to see your preferences.)

Thank you SDIII, I'll post in the Mayors' threads now - if they don't have a mayor, I will come up with a list of preferrred tiles.

Honorable Governor,
Please make a list (of 5 or so) tiles you would like to see be improved by railroads when we get them. Thanks.

I would like to request that the 3 irrigated tiles be Railroaded as these are the only improved tiles within my city. I would also like to request that 3 roaded river hills be railroaded (and mined if possible). All that is needed for Epo to become a production and commerce powerhouse is to be able to work improved tiles.

Thanks - MOTH
Mayor of Epolenep

Preposed turnchat instructions, comments welcome from anyone:
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Hai-rando Province

Build Queues:
Regent Town: Musketman -> Worker -> Musketman -> Cavalary
Epolenep: University -> Worker -> Musketman
Manchai: Library -> Aqueduct
Nihilon: Worker -> Worker -> University
Drachenfels: Aqueduct -> Courthouse
Gerunshi: Library -> Marketplace

Worker Suggestions:
Epolenep: Mine the horse hill
Regent Town: Mine the plains NW - W.
Gerunshi + Drachenfels: Road + irrigate the plains

Notes:
Regarding Manchai: Micromanage the laborers to work the sea whale tile to get more food, shields, and gold instead of one coast tile.
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Thank you MOTH - I will include those in the 2nd turnchat's instructions once we discover Steam Power (10 turns).

Honorable Governor,
It appears that the Babs are pushing hard in the culture war. They are a small nation but are only impressed with our culture. This would put their total culture in the 5-7000 range. When devided by their number of cities the average is quite high.

I would encourage you to build more culture in Epo (a Cathedral or a Colosseum). I am also suggesting in the Wonder Discussion thread that Regent Town builds the Heroic Epic.

MOTH,

If the public agrees to build Heroic Epic in Regent Town I will surely add it to the queues. I haven't looked at the current save, but when I do either today or tomorrow, I'll see what I can do for Epolenep. Thanks for your awareness.

Lord Ginger Ale;

Please keep the budget in mind when considering building improvments and units. Much of our budget is dependent on foriegn nations. Also, more units under a 'free' government (if we revolt) would mean a much higher maintainence.

-Zarn, Minister of Domestic Affairs

Lord Ginger Ale;

Please keep the budget in mind when considering building improvments and units. Much of our budget is dependent on foriegn nations. Also, more units under a 'free' government (if we revolt) would mean a much higher maintainence.

-Zarn, Minister of Domestic Affairs

Of course when we go to a "free" government we would make a lot more income too.

Yes, but I don't want to pay the cots of an expensive yet useless military.

Hai-Rando Province - 1220 AD

Build Queues:
Epolenep: Cathedral -> Worker
Regent Town: Heroic Epic ** -> Musketman
Manchai: Library -> Privateer
Gerunshi: Marketplace -> Courthouse
Drachefnels: Aqueduct -> Courthouse
Nihilon: Worker -> Worker -> Musketman

Notes:
-Change the laborer in Drachefnels from the irrigated desert tile to irrigated desert saltpeter tile.

Preferred Railroaded Tiles:
Regent Town: The 3 cattle.
Epolenep: The 3 irrigated tiles, and the 3 roaded hills.
Manchai: DP's discretion
Gerunshi: Any irrigated plains
Nihilon: DP's discretion
Drachefnels: Irrigated plains, irrigated floodplain, mined hill

** If Regent Town is not selected to build Heroic Epic, please produce Musketmen.
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We can switch Manchai to a privateer now, like Provolution wants, but we will waste 6 shields. I'm for it. Any comments on this matter?
I'm not sure what to build in Nihilon - it has 3 shields at size 2, and after it's current worker in one turn, it will only have 2. It's pretty useless.

Comments welcome. :goodjob:

@Zarn: I know, I'm keeping that in mind. Most cities only have 1 unit. About improvements - many improvements like marketplaces and courthouses will pay for themselves, so I see no problem building those, but for the others, yes, I see your point.

@MOTH: I put a Cathedral in the build queue for Epolenep.

Honorable Governor,
I expect Heroic Epic to be confirmed for Regent Town. However I would like to request that you include a reference to the Culture Minister's instructions for a possible override if Heroic Epic is not approved (you should include an alternate build queue just in case.)

Thanks - MOTH

MOTH,

I will have it produce musketmen for now, unless Heroic Epic is approved. Thanks for your advice.

Hai-rando Province - 1255 AD

Build Queues:
Epolenep: Cathedral -> Bank
Regent Town: Heroic Epic -> Musketman
Manchai: Privateer -> Courthouse
Nihilon: Worker -> University **
Gerunshi: Marketplace -> Library
Drachefnels: Aqueduct -> Courthouse

Suggested Railroaded Tiles:
Epolenep: Irrigated plains and mined hills
Regent Town: The cattle and any irrigated plains
Manchai: None preferred
Nihilon: Mined grassland and hills
Gerunshi: Any irrigated plains
Drachefnels: Any irrigated plains

** It can be switched to something more valuable later on.
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Any comments or suggestions are welcome.

Governor Ginger Ale

I notice looking at the save that we have lost the Horses near Manchai/Epolenep to Babyonian Culture. As we have just lost them, perhaps you should consider building more culture in Manchai rather than a Privateer to try and reclaim them. For your information we could now switch to a Cathedral (10 turns) and rush it for 184 gold, or a Uni (34 turns) and rush it for 664 gold.

Furiey

Governor Ale,

As Governor of a Province under Cultural Attack by the Babylonians, I wish for you to participate in the discussion in this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=104831), in preparation for the Emergency Turnchat Tuesday Evening.

Province of Hai-rando - Build Queues/Changes 1295 AD

Build Queues/Changes:
Epolenep: Colosseum -> Musketman
Regent Town: Heroic Epic -> Musketman -> Musketman
Manchai: Cathedral -> Colosseum
Nihilon: University
Gerunshi: Marketplace -> Cathedral
Drachefnels: Courthouse -> University

Notes: Epolenep expands in 6 turns, so we will hopefully regain control of the horses. If it does, switch the order of the Colosseum and Musketman.

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Even if there aren't any turns played, I would like these queues to be set up.

Comments?

Just keep your eye on culture, and I'm good. Please post any cultural rushes you want in the Budget thread. You are far more than likely to have them accepted.

Governor Ginger Ale. You mentioned the problems of growth versus production (particularly for Manchai) in one of the other threads. One option you may wish to consider is to request some workers be joined to increase the population more quickly. At present all our workers have a lot to do, but are there any high growth cities that are currently producing Wealth that could produce a Worker very quickly? Either way, this may not be the right time, but may be something to consider for the future.

Fanatikku is a city producing wealth (the only one?) However, it cannot be joined to Nihilon or Manchai, as they don't have an aqueduct. Once Nihilon grows more, and Manchai gets an aqueduct after culture, I'll think about it.

Honorable Gov'na,
I believe that the provincial borders also now include Tonawonda. The prez has requested a Temple rush in the budget thread, which I agree with.

Thanks - MOTH

Hai-Rando - 1315 AD

Build Queues:
Epolenep: Musketman -> Factory
Regent Town: Factory -> Musketman
Manchai: Cathedral -> Aqueduct
Nihilon: University
Gerunshi: Marketplace -> Courthouse
Drachefnels: Courthouse -> University
Tonawanda: Temple -> Library -> Courthouse

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Comments appreciated.

@MOTH: That is certainly a good idea...

Hai-Rando Build Queues - 1355 AD

Epolenep: Factory -> Bank
Regent Town: Factory -> Hospital -> Cannon
Manchai: Aqueduct -> Courthouse
Nihilon: University
Gerunshi: Courthouse -> Library
Drachefnels: University -> Cathedral
Tonawanda: Library -> Cathedral

Notes: I might be at this turnchat. Feel free to micromanage, switch citizens around, etc, as needed, provided the city doesn't riot. Thanks, have a good night. :)

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Again, comments welcome.

Governor Ginger Ale

Please change Regent Town to Factory -> Hospital -> Cannon

This city begs for more health.

Hai-Rando Build Queues - 1400 AD

Epolenep: Factory -> Musketman
Regent Town: Hospital -> Musketman -> Cannon
Manchai: Aqueduct -> Courthouse
Nihilon: University -> Aqueduct
Gerunshi: Courthouse -> Library
Drachefnels: University -> Hospital
Tonawanda: Library -> Cathedral

Notes: Move [a] laborer[s] from Manchai's hills to the coast so that it can continue to grow.
Please try to road irrigated desert around Nihilon so that it can continue to grow.
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No screenshot/city info update this round...there will be starting the first turnchat of Term 5!

Honorable Governor,
The citizens have voted to place the building of Battlefield Medicine in Epolenep in you capable hands. Please build this at your discretion (possibly after the factory).

Thanks - MOTH