Thunderfall told me that any Civ Pro can take down a coalition of 2 or 3 middling to new players... I say not ? What say you ?

King...all x1.. Hordes & 50x80 random map..huts..chat from start.. all 7 tribes ( incl AIs )... "dead" players can come back in place of AIs & so on.

Test of Time..Original & I host... ( I am simply a good player..certainly not an "expert".)

I am apt to agree with Thunderfall. Even when a group of great Civ players go to battle there is always one or two players that dominate let alone a game in which a fanatic plays three newbies, or middle weight civers. I would even go as far as to say that even with a bad start and some really great organization on your part that the Pro would come out on top. Unfortunately, I am not this person otherwise I would love to play. This should be interesting to follow if you get it off the ground. Good luck! http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

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<IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/ninja1.gif" border=0>"Engarde you silly fool!
You are no match for my so fine
rapier!"

He who sacrifices his conscience to ambition burns a picture to obtain the ashes.
- Chinese Proverb

I could beat up to 3 mid-level players, and probably 5 or 6 newbies, on my own.

agreed. one of the better players could easily take out ranks of newbies, but no reason for ai's...

lol, sounds easy. I could take on 3 or 4 seasoned players with those settings and win.

hehehhe Markus you played me 1 on 1 with those exact same settings and you lost twice in a row. What is your idea of a seasoned player?

hahaha, losing and quiting out of disgust are 2 different things. Lets play again if your not chicken? And this time no more stupid rules like not allowed to build caravans.

CivPro ? harharhar..in your dreams !

There are no CivPros. You cant award yourself a title, you have to earn it through results.

Those who are new here may have played hundreds of games of Civ for all you know.

Originally posted by Captain Pugwash:
CivPro ? harharhar..in your dreams !
There are no CivPros. You cant award yourself a title, you have to earn it through results.
Those who are new here may have played hundreds of games of Civ for all you know.

True, this is all very relative, but there are Civ Pros. When I say newbie it is a reference to a person who has just started playing Civ and not a person who has just joined Civfanatics. There is a difference and I don't think that I have to point it out.

With all this said, I too agree with you Captain, "...you have to earn it through results."

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<IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/ninja1.gif" border=0>"Engarde you silly fool!
You are no match for my so fine
rapier!"

He who sacrifices his conscience to ambition burns a picture to obtain the ashes.
- Chinese Proverb

[This message has been edited by Cimfindriel (edited March 14, 2001).]

Ok, fine. YOu quit before you even got trade. If we had played with trade you would have been in alot of trouble. You're not the only one that knows how to use caravans.

bs, first game you had a bunch of free tech, and you got rep by 2000 bc both games. I didn't even have a government by 500 ad both times. Second game i got all damn plains on a island. I have never gotten so many none government path techs, i believe it was 8 or 9techs.

[This message has been edited by markusf (edited March 15, 2001).]

DAMN! What a load of hot air we got going in here. I consider myself an "average" player and I don't think any of you could beat 3 players of my calibre VS one of you.

It's a good thing you don't need a door to get into these forums, cuz most of you would get stuck when you try and stick your big head through the doorway.

Talk about arrogance.

[This message has been edited by drake (edited March 15, 2001).]

markusf aren't you on about the same level as Agharta, because I think a Pro would be someone who could easily crush Agharta...and I think that Aggy would agree. Hope I'm not presuming too much by having said all this. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/blushing.gif

Any hoot..Dogberry I am about average if not a little below and I would love to play if you can find a Pro to play...someone reputed to be the best is simply not enough. You need someone who can really walk the walk http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

How about you Eyes...up for it?

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<IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/ninja1.gif" border=0>"Engarde you silly fool!
You are no match for my so fine
rapier!"

He who sacrifices his conscience to ambition burns a picture to obtain the ashes.
- Chinese Proverb

Agharta? hahaha

I have one ongoing game with him in it. Lets see there are 7 players, diety 1x 1x. its 450 bc, i have the most cities and i have 4 wonders completed and another 2 wonders done in about 4 turns. No one else has a single wonder built yet.
players include
Carnide
Agharta
war4ever
zylka
diety
and someone i can't remember. I would say those people qualify as better then average.

Also didn't Agharta start a thread here whining about how i took 15 cities in 5 turns? and killed off him and SF

Markus did I mention I put both the saves in a trophy file? Did I mention that war4ever agreed with me when I said the first game was fair? I agree, the second game you had no chance because of the island. But the first game was about as fair as you can get. You are still clueless. You might be really good in multiplayer games markus, but you aren't going to beat me in a duel. No matter what setting. Live with it. And stop trying to over exaggerate these games. The first game you got just as many advanced tribes if not more. And you stole republic from me early on!! You have absolutely no excuse. First game you got out played, just admit it. Cimfindriel I only play duels, not multiplayer games.

And just to show that you are clueless as to why you lost, you even accused me of cheating in those games. Give it up man.

[This message has been edited by EyesOfNight (edited March 15, 2001).]

just shut up and play, this time i host.

I see a lot of people "talking the talk".. but I don't see anybody "walking the walk". Which "Pro" have I got to step forward for this ? Where are all the club newcomers at ? C'mon guys n' gals ... step up to the plate !

Btw.. Eyes & Markus.. please start another thread to bicker on. Let's keep this one focused !

Be informed however ..that if you are agreeing to this game..which I am going to be naming "Gullivier"... I want you to be in for the long haul.. & go as far toward completion as humanly possible.

Dog

[This message has been edited by Dogberry (edited March 15, 2001).]

HAHAHAHA!!! And you think somehow by you hosting you'll be able to win? I think that's an admittal of the fact that you have no clue as to why you lost. Go back and look at the saves. I have a save if you want it. Maybe you'll be able to understand how I beat you.

More Eyes rantings

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[This message has been edited by drake (edited March 16, 2001).]

stop ranting and play. There isn't anyone who can win if you get rep 2000 years after the other guy in a duel. I would have lost the race to all the wonders.

The way this thread has gone.. illustrates just what is wrong with some of the people active in the CIV gaming community.. I truly can't say that I didn't expect it. It does sadden me somewhat.. as long as this attitude of petty strife & immature ranting continues the community will go nowhere.. I want the newcomers that read this post to take heed. However, not all of us are like this. In my opinion.. this is a result of too much playing the AI at crucial stages in a person's development... & a certain inbred quality among some players that have been around too long & should go find more useful things to do with their lives.

I have the feeling that this is not going anywhere.. but I will try again. So far I have 2 good to average players here. Cim & myself.. do I have anymore ? Do I have a Pro that wants to step forward ? The Pro gets to "password" his side.. the others, incl myself do not. ( I anticipate somewhat of a floating crap game "feel" to this as we go along ).

Markus, Eyes & Drake are all disqualified & there is no reason for them to post here again.

I will tell you three & anyone else that cares to listen.. I am an old gaming Dog Soldier & I will roll right over you guys.. I have seen all of this before & I know how to get around it. All that it takes is desire & ability.

Dog

Drake, i think it's better to ignore eyes. He is f***ing arrogant and he doesn't do any good in forums. And there are tons of players who think the same about him as i do.

Beating 2 or 3 newbies isn't very hard if you are a average player.
Marfus is the best player i know(who never cheated as far as i know). I think you can beat 2 or 3 average in a single game.

Well if you want newbie's here you got one!!
myself, still need to play my first game! (multyplayer) I think i s*ck at this game, (however I most times win with nowmal civ)

so if any of you guys want to help to learn it to play on multyplayer I really thank you!

Beating 2 or 3 newbies isn't very hard if you are a average player.
Markusf is the best player i know(who never cheated as far as i know). I think you can beat 2 or 3 average in a single game.[/B]

Whats the point of cheating? Unless someone got a bunch of tribes or your start sucks you should be able to stay with the leader every game. I run my autologger program that saves every single turn of the game, and after the game i move all the saved files to my website. Which reminds me i should finish off the program and put it up for downloading.

my game yesterday with, jedi, jes, and smartfart i beat them all pretty easy. I had 30 cities at 300 bc, mikes, HG and collosus. king 1x 1x. I'd say i could take out 5 or 6 players with a decent start, that is as long as they aren't allied, if they are allied and sharing tech, it doesn't matter how good you are. You just can't match 4 or 5 peoples tech rates + expansion. Not to mention combined attacks.

Ok... we have Cimfindriel, Hell-Raiser & myself for the average players & I am sure I can get a gamer or two from my regular groups to fill in from time-to-time. Still need an expert !!

Kaak & Johann511, you both seemed to express an interest in this. Are either of you available ?

After the first session, the game will have to revolve around my & the "Pros" schedules.I don't anticipate a problem though, as I almost always have somebody online that wants to play.

Dog

Anytime in the evening is good for me, both on weekends and week days. I'm in for the long haul! http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

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<IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/ninja1.gif" border=0>"Engarde you silly fool!
You are no match for my so fine
rapier!"

He who sacrifices his conscience to ambition burns a picture to obtain the ashes.
- Chinese Proverb

Markusf, maybe you could share this autolog program with us. It's usefull for everyone to prove someone is cheating or not.

ya I Will i just got to make some changes to it first. I just haven't found the time lately.. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/frown.gif

looks like eyesofnight does not stand a chance with they way settings should be. it seem you can only handle one on one games. i play with 7 civs always and much bigger map always ragings hordes. i bet you dont even have barbarians in your game. iF you played me in a real game and other people you would not stand a chance against me or other people.

Some of you guys sound good. Mind giving me a few pointers on how to beat anything. Even the AI's beat me

much bigger map always ragings hordes. i bet you dont even have barbarians in your game.

I have been posting way to much of my knowledge lately http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

If you build your capitol inland(best is a river) and you have no ocean squares, you will most likely not see a barb the whole game on raging hordes. If someone insists on raging hordes, i will go along with it, after all its to my advantage.

i'll be one of the newbies http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif

and Eyes, i'd love to play a duel against you sometime. 1x1x, king, and i don't care about size or barbarians.

you will most certainly win, but i'd enjoy the challenge