Time for the German sucession game:

Players:

1 - Ohwell
2 - Mike C
3 - donsig
4 - Knight-Dragon
5 - SkidiWili

Heres the turn order. I have some important stuff to do after this weekend, and must bow out for awhile. Five players is plenty, as we have found out. ;)

10 turns per player, the game is posted at the end of your story (summary) for the next player to download.

Good luck! -joespaniel:smoke:

I'll be up for one. What rules are we using? Just the originals?

Also, I hope we are disabling airsuperiority somehow.

Timeframe for completing turns?

edit: What difficulty level would also help me :) Prince would be ok for me. Anything beyond Monarch and I am afraid I will get beat hard. :)

I'm in.

Thats five confirmed. If Knight-Dragon wants to join later, no problem. He is in Singapore and keeps different hours than us. :D

THIS GAME HAS BEGUN! :hammer:

Would everyone be so kind as to DELETE all the posts before this one, to save room in the thread? Thank you.

Everyone should feel welcome to comment freely and discuss strategy, or post a screenshot, if you can, from your turn.

MOST IMPORTANT! Have fun.:)

Screenshot from 3000 BC. The German tribe settles a lush river valley.

4000 BC -

After nomadic wandering for centuries, the German tribe builds its first city, Berlin. A lone worker investigates a nearby village populated by people known as Vandals. We learn of ceremonial burial from them.

Warriors are trained and organized for defense and exploration. We are a war like people, and already have knowledge of archery and bronze weapon making. A new, stronger metal than this is thought to be made from ore, thus our wise men set upon this task.

3500 BC -

Other tribes such as the Kazahks are discovered nearby. They have many Gods and teach us about them. The Burgundy tribe disliked our intrusion and attacked our warriors. We were victorious, and now have elite troops.

3000 BC -

Settlers from Berlin begin a march to the sea, where there is Ivory. A new city is planned to be built there. The German people must expand in this age and ensure our survival.

A new Chancellor is about to take the reigns of power in Berlin!

* Ohwell is up next! I sent the settler as far as I could in my available time. One more step south-west was where I was going to plant Liepzig, making it a port city, then connecting the ivory.

Its all up to you now. Go forth!

The mighty Lord of Hammers starts his reign!

-2900 BC- Leipzig, a new town of our wonderful people, was founded. A Barbaric tribe had taught us an "alphabet", so we are smarter now.

-2750 BC- Our warriors have found a fellow tribe, the English. They seem to be welcome to trade. TRADE?

-2700- Tusks of the elephants have been found and collected, our people enjoy the color!

-2230- Our nomads from Berlin settled a town! They called it, Hamburg.

- 2070- Our nomads in Leipzig have set forth, moving to a new town site!

-2030 BC- Our warriors have discovered borders to a new tribe, they have no clue who, even our wise men can't figure it out. My fellow friends, I have grown old, Donsig, I give thee leadership of The Great German Empire!

#1. Joespaniel, sorry about the bother, hehe:goodjob:

#2. Donsig, I suggest you let the settler near Leipzig go to its destination, and settle there. Also, the warroir near russia(south) move it to russia to meet them. I see potential for a good rescouce spot near us. Good Luck!

Count me in as #6. ;) I think I can handle 2 succession games.

Well, this is a VERY GOOD starting location. I see all terrain types, with very few jungles and desert:D . Lots of expansion space if we are quick. I settled 2 cities, damn near 3 in 20 turns!

Good job giving us a plane across the continent. No one can get behind us for awhile.

Donsig - I notice the English have a tech we dont, and very little gold. Why dont you try to offer 35 gold for their tech?

I strongly suggest NOT giving them ironworking. They have Iron and we dont. They dont know it yet either. *sigh* we may have to take London eventualy, if there is no iron in the dark area near Liepzig.

I also suggest more expansion to the south east quickly, before the English block us in. Remember, they ARE expansionist and will build right up to our front steps!

Our science rate should be raised up to 70 or 80 now. We are the scientific Germans! Lets develop literacy! Libraries are our friend.

Its all yours Donsig!

The English will not settle THAT fast, if we hurry we can probably settle very far east and south. Though we dont have iron, it will probably either just pop up, or the English will have some we can temporarily(or Permanently:D)borrow. Dont worry:goodjob: . Good luck Donsig!

Oh, I dont know... How about Cologne, Essen, Hannover, Stuttgart, Frankfurt, Dusseldorf, Dortmund, Bonn, Magdeburg, Breslau, Kiel, Bremen, Emden, Wilhelmshaven, Rostock, Stettin, Munich, Nuremberg, Augsburg, Mannheim, Konigsberg or Danzig?

To name a few.:lol:

I'll check back in an hour or so. Give em hell!

I would deffinately trade gold for tech and raise the science rate to 70, maybe 80. I like to have pikemen and knights as quick as possible, because theyre so German!:hammer:

EDIT: How could I forget Dresden? Oy!

You forgot Dresden!:cry: That was where I was 2 months ago! Not a cool city, thats for sure. Munich is nice, and so is Cologne. Berlin has nice museums.

If skidiwilli and knight dragon are available, I'll slip into the 6 slot since Ding hasn't finished the game. I was waiting hoping to get my turn in before the going to bed but that is not possible. Going to bed now.

That means I will not be able to post my turns up until tommorow afterwork. If Sidiwili or Knight can get a couple of turns up between that timespan, go for it.

'night people.

I can play in 6-7 hrs' time (after getting off work). Remember I'm 12 hrs ahead of you guys. Want to slot me in after donsig? Or after SkidiWili if he's able to play after donsig?

This is my first try at this type of game. Hope I didn't let you all down...

2030 BC: More Germans put their thinking helmets on as 70% of our net income went into research and developement. Our settlers continued on their journey south only to find a band of barbarians nearby!:eek: The garrisons in both Berlin and Leipzig were dispatched in an attempt to save the day.

1990 BC: Our southern forces came upon Minsk and in a peaceful encounter bought a bunch of round things (called wheels) for 20 gold pieces. A road was begun from Berlin to Hamburg.

1950 BC: In a scene to be re
peated often over the next 500 years we removed our glorious German warriors from within Russia's borders (at Catherine's request). The barbarians menacing our settler were put down and horse were brought into Berlin! We noticed a new English settlement near Hamburg.

1910 BC: Our settlers menaced by more barbarians!:eek: :eek:

1870 BC: Our settlers massacred by Seljuk barbarians!:cry: German warriors take revenge. Spices found nearby.

1790 BC: German warriors disperse the Seljuks. One warrior now veteran. German treasure swells with Seljuk plunder. Irrigation project begun near Hamburg.

1675 BC: Our newest band of settlers rendevous with one of our warriors.

1650 BC: The newest German warrior is sent from Berlin to garrison Leipzig.

1625 BC: Frankfurt founded near Nottingham.

1600 BC: Learned from the English how to record our history for posterity. In return we taught them some mysticals arts and gave them 56 gold. Combined our fine German horses with those Russian bought wheel thingamajigs and made a chariot.

1525 BC: Raised new regiment of spearmen to defend Berlin. Found more horses south of Leipzig.

1500 BC: Our borders around Berlin have expanded! :)

1450 BC: Our newest settlers have made it south to Franfurt. Our chariot force is now veteran after demolishing the Alemanni (whose gold went into our treasury).

That's my reign. Sorry I took so long. This is great fun!:goodjob:

EDIT: Attachment deleted to conserve forum server space. Download all the saves from this thread here. (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/german_empire_first_thread_saves.zip)

Originally posted by Ohwell
The English will not settle THAT fast, if we hurry we can probably settle very far east and south.

I told you so.:p ;) :lol:

I built Frankfurt close to Nottingham in an attempt to hold off the English. Sent the other settler to Frankfurt hoping it would make another city along the English border. The English have 3 cities.

The Russians to the south have 5 cities already.:(

See you all tomorrow. I don't know what time it is where you all are but it's 1 am here in New York...:sleep:

Good work donsig. Keep those imperialist English at bay.;)

Knight-Dragon is up next. I would recomend going to 80% science and getting literature so we can build libraries.

As we get closer to London there is a danger of their culture taking over our cities. That would be bad. Libraries would counteract that, and maybe give us some of their cities.

Frankfurt could get a temple and a library to swollow up Nottingham. Yum!

I think we should capture London for its iron. If we have 6 or 7 solid cities to crank out troops, it could be very feasable. Mwah-hah-hah!

Suggestion - after each round, I suggest we cut down on the number of turns (20 now) cos each turn, more stuff is happening. Otherwise, when we come to the modern era, 20 turns will take forever with so many things happening (for those long games anyway).

Now, I shalt ascend the throne and rule!

Our cities seem to be positioned somewhat badly. But never mind! For I shalt now rule <wild affectionate applause fr the ppl>.

Note : - Do not irrigate for despotism; we won't get the full benefit fr irrigated sqs anyway until republic or monarchy. Build mines and roads instead.

I shall skip thru all the boring day-to-day details and concentrate on the highlights of my reign.

1325 BC - City of Koniegsburg was founded east of Frankfurt to foreshadow future English moves.

1225 BC - City of Munich was founded near the spice resource. There's a huge gap betw Munich and Leipzig. :( Now here's the fun part; city was founded with English warriors just outside the new city to the south, and w/o any defenders at all! Cool eh? Note - need to expand into the plains east of Munich - to claim possible future resources like oil, saltpetre.

1200 BC - English warriors left. Neh neh neh neh neh neh!

1150 BC - The English city of Nottingham have submitted to us!!! Must be my overwhelming majesty aura. Building barracks in Berlin. How can we be militaristic w/o barracks???

1125 BC - Angle horsemen appeared near Munich!!! And Munich's undefended!!! The spearmen fr Berlin had not reached it yet. At the other front, demanded withdrawal of English warriors fr near Nottingham. Exch mathematics with the English for philosophy and 20 golds. Unsure if we profited or not? Note - chariot to the south to guard the Russian border.

1100 BC - Angles plundered Munich for 30 gold. Fortunately we're rich. English got map-making. Shld we trade them for gold?

1075 BC - Angle warriors appeared near chariots. Of course, we destroyed them. There must be an Angle village somewhere in the mountains to the south-west. On the other hand, reinforcements reached Munich and Nottingham.

1000 BC - The Russians were building Pyramids. So? Our elite warriors who had been scouting around in the west saw the Angle settlement. Time to earn their keep. Also Angle horsemen appeared near our city of Leipzig. But this time, we are prepared.

975 BC - The barbarians attked Leipzig but were defeated handily by the city militia. Our spearmen are now veterans. Meanwhile, our elite warriors attked and destroyed the Angles and plundered some gold.

After a somewhat boring reign, the Builder King now retires. And sail on a mighty ship for the Blessed Isles in the Western Ocean. And someday, shalt return to rule forever more. Blah blah blah.

Notes -

1) 4 turns to literature
2) 207 gold in treasury
3) Settler in Leipzig ready in 1 turn. Go south to the horses!
4) Need more workers.
5) Pump out vets fr Berlin.

I just got into work. It is 8:40 am EST. I won't be able to play until around 5:30 pm EST. Once again, those who can play before me do so. I'll pick up the last saved game at home after work.

Good job on clean-up KD.:goodjob:

We should make sure the cities of Frankfurt and Nottingham DO NOT go into civil diorder or the English will get them.

Mike C is up next. Give 'em hell Mike!:king:

Suggestion: Keep that science rate up around 80% and buy some tech from England and Russia with all that gold.

WE MUST FIND SOME IRON!

We have covered up the English border with our territorial claims and sealed off the Russian border with our chariot unit (only one sq to occupy). Building temples at the border cities; shld switch to libraries after getting literature in 4 turns. Except for Frankfurt's which is close to completion anyway. And Berlin shld pump out vet spearmen to fortify the border cities quickly. We also need workers to connect up the border cities. I have one worker already working towards Nottingham.

There's one settler I am actually sending on the way north-west of Berlin to settle around there. And one more being readied to colonise the deep south. After that, we can concentrate on building up infrastructure and forces. I think we'll have to use horsemen, spearmen and catapults to take London for the iron. I don't see any elsewhere although we have so much hilly and mountaineous terrain. :(

Also I am planning on that elite warrior unit down in the south-west to clean up barbarian villages. Once I had 2 warriors attking barb villages after villages and rolling in money. :D

Another suggestion is to put another city in the plains east of Munich to claim the terrain. And another one if necessary and push up till the Russian borders. Then quickly build library and stuff to culture it up. Oh and one more city in the artic region north of Berlin to prevent them fr sailing across and colonising it. May have oil too.

I think with all that we'll have a strong network of cities and only borders to the east and south (only one point). We'll need to search out more civs. Galleys?

PS - I kept that science lvl at 90%. ;) Actually forgotten till mid-way thru my reign.

Leaving office now.

So don't take my turn anymore :D.

I should be home in an hour and a half to start my 20 turns. Post results up by tonight!

Wish me luck!

I just looked at the last file, and I am very angry. I am just about to use all the units to launch an all out offensive on england! No, not really. But we should. They are so close! Whoever settles those other cities, thank you, good job:goodjob: :goodjob: . The English cant go too far, unless they can expand far to the east.:( I would suggest settling the plains west of Russia, and build horsemen, other units, and attack England with the ferocity of Germany! Or, we could just wait and see if they have extra iron, and attack them with their own iron.

Mike C. - Its your turn.

You have some tough choices. Knight-Dragon had some good suggestions, but ultimately its your call. Good luck.

NOTE: Unfortunately for England, we need iron. A build up towards war appears inevitable.

Barracks would be nice, to send veteran troops to build up near England.

My turn is complete.

Full report on the way.

In short, founded 2 new cities. Obtained an extra horse resource for possible trading. Buildup near nottingham in preparation for war. Maintained the culture build in several cities while using others to build up archers and catapults for an attack.

Russia tried to bulley us into giving tech. I said screw you and they declared war. I managed to bribe the English into attacking the Russians. Hopefully that will draw troops towards the hotly contested southern plains where the English have established Warwick. So far the Russians haven't sent any units near our territory.

Recommondation is to finish buildup and launch an attack on London to claim the source of Iron as soon as peace can be achieved with Russia (they ignored my messages). Current reserach is on Currency.

The reign of Despot Michael

In the year 950 B.C. the noble Knight-Dragon passed away without leaving an heir. After an exhausting search was conducted, a poor peasent was found to bear the blessings for the German god and Michael was proclaimed ruler of all Germany.

After surveying the situation, the decision was made to continue the journey of the northern setlers to find a suitable area to found additional an additional settlement. At the same time, a new setler was created and sent south in an attempt to lay control of the southern plains.

After establishing formal relations with the English and Russians by building Embassis, Despot Michael decided it was best to purchase the technology of map making from the Russians as he inherited a large coffer of wealth. After much haggling the price was settled and the transfer of knowledge for gold occured in the year 900 BC.

All was not well in the Fatherland however. Rampaging barbarian tribes continued to plague Munich and a chariot force was sent to dispatch the latest barbarian camp. By the year 875 B.C. the barbarian threat was stamped out for the time being.

Meanwhile, the latest survey of the land confirmed the dissapointing news that no iron was to be found anywhere. Despot Michael immediatly ordered a steady buildup of troops in the Nottingham region. While a small army was begining to be trained, the effort was hampered somewhat by the fact that many towns had their developement already devoted to temples for the people. After consulting with the wisemen, the young Despot came to the conclusion, with a heavy heart, that glory was not to be achieved in his time and that it was wasteful to simply abandon work on the temples to satisfy personal ego. Likewise, the decision included the continuation of the Great Pyramids in Berlin even though he would not see its completion in his lifetime, nor have the honor of being buried in the great wonder.

The decision came to bear fruit in 850 B.C. as Frankfurt was the first city to complete the infastructure improvements set out by the previous ruler and the people rejoiced at the new construction. While tempted to build up the military, the despot decided once again to pospone the prepartions for war as he knew the time of the German people would come in time. Thus the library of Frankfurt began contruction in the year 850 B.C.

After the stunning series of success enjoyed early in young Michael's reign over the barbarians, disturbing reports of barbarians came from the scouts of the northern setlers and of the chariot force guarding the southern passage to Russia. Indeed 2 new savage groups of barbarians had arisen. The spearmen army of Berlin was immediatly dispatched to aid the setlers. Meanwhile, the chariot army wheeled back to engage the Barbarian camps near Munich.

After 2 glorious battles in 825 B.C. the barbarians in the regions were finally once again scattered and the frontier towns could live without terror once again.

After much hussle and bustle, the town of Heidelburg was finally established north of Berlin giving access to a secondary source of horses. Meanwhile, scouts spotted an escorted setler racing for the southern plains and messages were dispatched to the Setlers in the south to revise their planned location of settlement to a location a small leage closer so as to beat the English in establishing a foothold in the region.

In 690 B.C. the race was won by the Germans and the now seasoned Despot smiled as the English were arrived at the spot only to find the territory already claimed by the new German town of Nuremburg. The town of liepzig among others had finished its archers and the contingent was sent on a long march east to the English border near London.

Bewilderment by the entire German court came in 670 B.C. when a single, arrogant Russian emmisary arrived at the palace to demand the technology of horseback riding from the German people. After a brief consultation with his Military advisor, Despot Michael politely declined. The Russian emmisary then replied with a message promising war on the German people.

Immediatly seeing an opportunity to sieze advantage of the situation, and the Michael immediatly rode in person to see Queen of the English, and offered the knowledge of horseback riding to English in return for a promise from Elizabeth to make war on the Russians. She accepted the scrolls of knowledge with a smile and the alliance was cemented!

Imediatly English armies in southern plain in the town of Warwick left for the town, presumably to Russian territory nearby. The ploy had worked. While the English and Russians fought, the infastructure projects began before his reign could be completed and time bought for a continued build up in preparation when Michael's successor will plunge a dagger into Elizabeth's back.

Years passed by as administrative desicions were made in expanding the road network of Germany but disaster struck in 590 B.C. New barbarian uprisings near Liepzig went undecteted and the city, fell to the barbarians when the incompetence of the local spearman regiments could not hold off 2 barbarians. Liepzig was sacked and many people were killed. The chariot army guarding the southern Russian marches was immediatly dispatched to locate the camp. Amazingly, it ran into a barbarian horseman and too fell victim in the year 570 B.C.

Despite the losses, the completion of the temples in Nottingham, and Hamburg and the completion of the Library in Frankfurt raised the spirits of the people and the aged Despot Michael reaped their praise and built a new section of the royal palace for him to enjoy in old age and for successors to come.

In 530 B.C. the Despot passed away and a new search for an heir has begun!

The barbs are VERY aggressive, considering I set them on roaming. :confused: We will probably have to patrol outside our borders more to stop this scourge.

SkidiWili is up. After everyone has playef their first round, I suggest we go to 15 turns per player.

Give us lots of troops Skidi, spearmen, horsemen and catapults.

Because without iron we are destined to be a minor power in the grand sceme of things, begging the mercy of Russia and England to survive.

I THINK NAUGHT! :hammer:

Originally posted by Mike C
In the year 950 B.C. the noble Knight-Dragon passed away without leaving an heir. After an exhausting search was conducted, a poor peasent was found to bear the blessings for the German god and Michael was proclaimed ruler of all Germany.The rumours of my demise had been grossly exaggerated. I am now currently carousing with my er ... devoted female followers in the Blessed Isles of the Western Ocean, beyond the port-city of Leipzig. And I shalt return in the day of our beloved empire's greatest need!

Originally posted by joespaniel
The barbs are VERY aggressive, considering I set them on roaming. :confused: We will probably have to patrol outside our borders more to stop this scourge.I think it's ok for roaming. Activity level bout the same as for my prince game. That's why we need to push out cities in all directions so that the barb villages will not respawn in those wilderness areas. Anyway they provide for good practise for our mighty troops.

SkidiWili - Its your turn

We are reving to go, sonny. Dont make the old guys wait too long or we drool on the keyboard.;)

Old? Who're you calling old? You may be but I am certainly not. :)

BTW, I think it's Skidiwidi's turn in all three of my succession games. Wonder where is he. We really need to get London and the iron ...... Also the jungles to the south cos only jungles provide coal in my exp so far.

PS I think there're 2 cs in the word 'succession'? Check your title, joe. :D

I'm here...

During the building of the new palace section the SkidiWili crawls from under a rock. Driven by ancestral sprits he sets forth to build an army of dominance, to crush the enemies and friends at the borders.

510 BC -The hars rule of the SkidiWili begins. A new invention of whip comes to general use.
490 BC -Barbarian horsemen pillage Leipzig.
450 BC -Launched offensive against London.
430 BC -Damnation, the Greeks build the Pyramids. It would have still been 22 turns for Berlin to build them. Changed to Great Library
390 BC -London has been captured!
310 BC -Skirmishes with England and barbarian pestilence.
270 BC -York has been captured! I don't like fighting multiple wars, so I contacted the English. They gave us Code of Laws, 118 gold+5/turn, military alliance vs. Russians and their world map. I really think that the main objective, getting iron, was accomplished. Started to move the troops to Nuremberg, which is the closest city to the Russians.
230 BC -England and Russia sign peace treaty. England starts a war with us! The troops turn around back to York. Time to teach 'em some more.
190 BC -Rome builds Great Library. Berlin would have needed 11 turns to complete it. There's no wonders to be built.
170 BC -First swordman in London. Started attack towards Canterbury, because there's another iron next to it.
130 BC -Canterbury captured! Massive Russo-English archer force approaching York. Let it be their grave!

During the celebration of Cantebury's capture the SkidiWili disappears. The people start to seek a new just leader, who would end these wars. A leader that mayhaps would use less whip...

Strategic idea:
Let's wipe out those traitorous English. That shouldn't require much and then we can turn our full attention to the Russians. Horsemen supporting the swordmen is a powerful combination, so don't start build just those new shiny iron using troops.

Thanks SkidiWili, we were about to send out a search party.:lol:

Time to go to 15 turns per round. I will post my summary in an hour or so. Then Ohwell is up.

Death to England!:hammer:

I will be around tonight. From what I have heard the barbarians are really hitting hard, and Joespaniel, are you sure it was roaming level? If it is hard I am going to have a full anti terrorist squad based in Berlin to deal SPECIFICLY with the barbarians. Rainbow Six, anyone?

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS DOING ?!?!?! :lol:

Ofcourse the barbarians are sacking our cities! THERES NO TROOPS IN THEM!!! :hammer: :sniper:

Never leave a border city with less than 2 units. We have no barracks to speak of. We are the militaristic Germans, barracks are our friend.

Holy smokes. What a mess. Why are we irrigating instead of mining? Thats pointless. In despotism, there is no bonus to irrigation except on plains. Total waste of time.

We should not let the city govenors rule, they are screwing us. Big time.

The workers should not be on auto either. Mine, mine and mine some more! AFTER building roads. On auto they irrigate.

Most of our cities are not even connected by road. Theres a worker building a mine next to Hamburg on a hill with gold while four cities are unconnected.

Our city placements are pretty bad, too.

OK, enough criticism from me. Here comes the REALLY BAD NEWS:

SkidiWili - You posted the wrong attachment. I got the game from 530 BC, which was the end of Mike C.'s and the beginning of yours.

Thus, until Skidi posts the correct save file, I cannot continue.

Ah, crap. It is 1:00 in the morning here and I was going to play mine, when, Joe said the wrong file was posted. Ah, crap. Guess I will have to wait till 8: in the morning. :confused: :hammer: :hammer: :hammer: GRRR! :D

Alright. Who the heck automated the workers and turned on governors.....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: . Next person, that would be you Joe, please turn them off. They are pissing me off, irrigating in despotism, building granaries in size 12 cities, ahhhh!
I feel better now. :lol:

I have no idea as I havent seen his game yet. I saw the end of Mike C.s game.

Im not worried, nor mad. Just trying to pass on some hints and strategy. Even seasoned players can always learn something new.

If he attacked England before the treaty ran out, we are now pariahs in everyones eyes, and no one will take our treaties seriously anymore. At least not for a long time.

Regardless, we await SkidiWili's return to post the correct attachment. Then someone can play.

I doubt he will show up tonight, but if he does you go next donsig, since you have to leave in the morning.

Guys, I didn't do ANY irrigation. All my workers were either mining or building roads. As for govenors. They were on when I got the game so I decided to keep it like that not knowing who turned them on.

As for the barbarian thing. I wasn't double posting guards. I was trying to buildup a force near london while my hands were tied with 4 good cities doing city improvements.

So thats why I had several sackings during my time. 1 defending unit couldn't cope and got killed.

Dont worry about it. The next person will shut them off, and we will all be happy. But the barbarians, they cant be shut off:( . Oh well, we will deal with them the German way!

Dont worry Mike, you and donsig are doing fine. I am just trying to point out some strategy, not brow-beat anyone.

When its your turn, you are free to make ANY desicions you want.

I am concerned with SkidiWili at this point. I am not angry with him, but he seems to be unreachable and infrequent about checking the threads.

Skidi - There is a problem holding up the Persian game as well. RE: your attachment there.

I dont want to hurt anyones feelings, but at this point I am going to skip SkidiWili and continue the game. If he wants to play, I will happily put him back in the roster order.

Please try to understand, nor take offense Skidi, but the other 4 people are itching to play. I feel a responsibility to them, as well as you.

I will play from 530 BC and pass to donsig in about 30 minutes.

OK donsig, then ohwell and Mike C will go since they are online now. If Knight Dragon gets here he can play one then you last.

Maybe we can all play more than one turn tonight?:D

That would be a welcome change.

You had better stop that! Im getting a little "irrigated" about the whole thing.

;) :lol:

Is Joespaniel playing? If so, hurry. I have to get a plane in 6 hours to Hamburg, and I want to play before I get on the plane.
I could always play after, though it would be more convenient.
Irrigated,:lol: :lol: :lol:

Summary and download to follow.

I dont see the file! Help! Im BLIND!

530 BC

Chancellor Joseph takes over Germany in a coup. Production orders changed in many cities, mostly to barracks. Veteran horsemen are then trained.

Berlin switches to the Great Library, however we may be too late. If another civilization beats us to it, we will have an expensive marketplace, library or temple. :(

Troops massing to attack England are recalled to Leipzig. The Russians are moving up the land-bridge to our south east in force.

Many barbarians are destroyed, as well as Russian archers and spearmen. We prevail, barely, and hold the bottleneck. A city should be built here with many, many defenders (The square north of the hill with water on both sides is an excellent blocking position, with some shields).

After much fighting near Nuremberg, the new German horsemen arrive and decimate the Russian army. Slaughter was the order of the day, and no mercy shown. The English city to the south of Munich revolted and switched to Russia. German horsemen raized it to the ground.

England informed us our alliance vs. Russia had expired. I offered Elizabeth horses and 100 gold for iron, after completing a road to England, and she accepted. She is very, very happy with us right now (gracious) and we have iron. The reputation of Germany is spotless, and we have an ally. In spirit, not in writing yet.

Russia was approached about peace. Catherine accepted, but is furious with us. I wouldnt think the treaty of peace is worth the paper its printed on, but for now we can expand and grow without any more war.

Germany is teetering on the edge of being the dominant power between the three known civilizations. England and Russia are still in a state of war. Our culture is expanding everywhere, and libraries are abundant.

A new government should be formed, one with more progressive elements. I leave it up to future leaders to decide if a Republic or Monarchy should be formed. I lean toward a Republic myself.

A new chancellor is about to take power. Long live Germany!

Hey guys. I only got to work so won't be playing for another 10-11 hours at least. :(
And I wasn't the one automating workers or irrigating tiles, so don't look at me. :) The responsibility for the bad placement for Munich is mine though cos I want to seal off our eastern border. And I thought I built a barracks in Berlin already or about to?
I think we shld wait for Skidiwili to repost his attachment. The 72 hrs' rule, remember? It is such a pity since he got London and York for us plus much stuff fr the initial peace with the English. We all have to be a bit patient. ;)

Here it is, Ohwell!:D

Lots of changes from before.

England=friend.

Russia=Not so friendly, but at peace.

We should build a city on the land-bridge south of Liepzig fast. With alot of troops to defend it. Then work on roads and mines.

Sun Tzu MUST be built in Berlin at all cost! Lets aim for that and a new government.

Damn it! It didnt work. HERE it is...

Wow, the last time I saw the map there were only 3 cities and we hadnt met the Russians! WOW! Going to exploit Russia for all it's got. Hmm, Germany allied with England? I dont like this. I will not cancel the alliance though, but I will not extend it. I do not trust them, as they have betrayed me so many times before,

We can continue building mines and roads after chging govt. Just now, we can actually make use of the irrigated squares we have already. Just cos you have a new option with a new govt doesn't mean you'll need to use it. ;)
I think we're being too harsh on Skidiwili. Shld at least wait for him to reply first .... He's prob new at this like us. If you guys are soooo bored, do some work or play another succession game. ;)

Oh BTW, I think I am the culprit who set the newer cities on governors. :( Sorry guys. Cos it's the default on my PC and my style is to let them make the decision what to build and what city tiles to use. Only chg when I want to build something else or the cities are peaked in pop or when building wonders.

No problem, I usually let governors manage the citizens anyway, but not production. Anyway, Lord of Hammers has returned!

-190 BC- Our Great Library was outdated:rolleyes: , Russia traded techs

130 BC- Damn barbarians near Hieldaburg! Another encampment stormed by our archers.

90 BC- Hiedlburg was ransacked! The defending horsemen could not hold out.

10 AD- Another Barb encampment was ransacked, but still more.

30 AD- RUSSIA DECLARED WAR:mad: Cologne founded.

50 AD- Our mighty horsemen won a victory, and BARBAROSSA was born! He is en route to Munich to form an army of swordsmen. Hannover founded.

110 AD- Barbarossa in Munich, and built an army! England was dumb enough to give us tech for our map:lol:

*Put swordsmen in the army, its in Munich. Take evil revenge on Russia, and explore beyond them while doing it

* Have Fun!

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
I think we're being too harsh on Skidiwili. Shld at least wait for him to reply first .... He's prob new at this like us. If you guys are soooo bored, do some work or play another succession game. ;)

No one, besides me, is responsible. I made a decision based on the fact that Skidi seems to have a zip file program error in his computer. He cant download a usable attachment ( and in other threads besides this one).

There is NOTHING personal about this. I would prefer he finish the game WITH us, but for now, things move along.

SkidiWili - please contact me ASAP by PM and lets get you fixed up to play. If you need help, I will do my best to assist.

Holy ****! Now they will all pay! We have an Army!

Mwah-hah-hah-hah!:satan:

Sounds like donsig and Knight-Dragon are going to have ALOT of fun tonight.:D

Lets destroy Russia for good and take all their cities. If we build the Forbidden Palace in Berlin later, we could rush-build the Palace improvement in Moscow after. Two Capitols!

Should we build HEROIC EPIC in Berlin now? After the Army gets a victory, ofcourse.

Hows that for a plan?

I recommend we keep peace with England for now, because a two-front war has always been Germany's downfall...

We can build roads down the land-bridge too.

OOOOHHH YEAHH!!! MY 101st post! In 14 days! Anyway, I wish I could have used the army, I would have had a field day! Russia will pay for this! I have several horsemen near the bottom of Russia, near Moscow, so if we consolidate those forces, combined with a northern attack, we could throw them off balance with a two side attack! Also, we could attacl from the west, three sides!:ninja: :beer: Cheers!

O yeah, that idea about the forbidden palace in Berlin and the capital in moscow, hmm. The Capital would not be good in foreign hands, but they cant burn it down, can they? Heroic epic should be built in the most productive city, so we may even get another leader in the next war we have.
:goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: Great plan Joe!

Originally posted by donsig


So, is MikeC playing tonight?

Knight-Dragon is right - I'd better get cracking and get my work done so I can go home and play!:D

You guys better hurry. I am 2 slots away and I have to get into work fairly early tommorow. :(

Mike - go now. Then donsig and Knight Dragon.

A huge victory could be ours if we play it right.

Ok I'm done here is the game.

I'll post a brief summary asap.

But the file is here.

Major success. We are close to achieve our goal of being independent of iron imports.

Too tired to write narrative. Maybe next time

Major events

More goddamn barbarians. WHO LEFT A SETLER UNPROTECTED!! nearly lost him.

all dates AD

170 caputred russian setler after defeating bowman guard in the southern landbridge

210 Bremin founded. Massive buildup in Nuremburg. Some garrisons near the English border chiponed off to aid speed in build up. Bloody english needed an additonal 10 gold to continue trade of horses for iron. GRRR they will soon know the pain of ripping off the Great fatherland!!

250 First skirmish int he battle for Minsk.
260 -270 Massive battle in centered around Minsk Peak (mountain north of Minsk) English managed to establish a new city near Nuremburg. Russian bowman decisively beaten. Army formed with 2 swordsman and a horseman. Starting to build Great Wall anticipate change midway to get Acadamy.

290, Gurellia oprations by solo calvary down south continues to draw troops away from main front. 2 bowman and mutiple spearmen tied down. Second battle of Minsk begins as Russian reinforcements attempt to blunt advance. They are swept aside.

310, last ditch effort by Russians to save Minsk, all is destroyed by the advancing German horde. Assault on city begins. Rictofen leader is established!

320, Minsc captured. 2 russian bowman regiments threaten to retake, city reinforced with several units including pikeman.

The axis of advance leading to the Russian city with the Iron ore (multiple deposits!) is open. Minsk will act as a shield to protect the open flank. Recommend army be used army be sent to aid in offensive operations to capture the ore source!

Also recommend scrapping the Great wall as we now have a Great leader to build the Academy in one shot.

edit spearman not pikeman (I must be dreaming already)

Good night.

Gahhh one last thing. several cities have been switching to city improvements like marketplace.

We need more revenue!! We risk falling behind in tech unless we get more income. Recommend that we end this war as soon as possible after securing iron source and bumping up science and money.

Originally posted by donsig
Yeah - play now Mike. It'll be at least an hour before I get home. No work for me tomorrow so I can stay up late.:)

So, Mike, I'm driving to Orillia tomorrow. Any roads near Toronto I should avoid?

There is only 1 major freeway (you yanks call them interstates) through toronto that would lead you through to your destination.

I am assuming you will be going to Buffalo border and taking the Queen Elizabeth.

Just to review. Take the QE from Buffalo all the way 427, go north. Go east on 401, till you hit 400. You will in fact pass by my place of work! Then go north on 400.

One very big note of warning. DO NOT under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES attempt to travel in Toronto's highways/freeways between 4:00pm and 7:00pm. You will be mired in traffic jams from the time you enter the burbs of T.O. to the time you exit the burbs of T.O.

Avoid said peak times and all the roads should be OK.

Holy Crap! Another leader! Use it for the next wonder. Actually, I suggest we kill Russia as soon as possible. Now that we have established our power, we should explore ALOT, as we need to start trading NOW or we will lose money like crazy and get no tech. I highly suggest once Russia is gone and we rebuild our Army, that we attack england, so we control the continent. Though we would have alot of cities, it will be good, if our palace is well located. I think Domination or Conquest should be our goal, as we are the Mighty Germans. Good job getting us Minsk, and the new leader. Hopfully donsig can get more cities, we need them.

Our advance into Russia that got us Barbarossa.

The current situation.

donsig and Knight Dragon -

IMPORTANT - Nuremberg needs a rush-build temple to generate culture ASAP. We will get liverpool through assimilation that way, eventually.

REALLY IMPORTANT - The Art of War will give us a "golden age", ending all our science/cash problems. The Great Leader could build it in ONE TURN! Fuedalism is a must!

We have almost isolated England. The iron city must be taken!!! After Russia is gone, then England has no chance. Lets kiss their @$$ til then, Russia alone will be a tough nut to crack.

I see a time in the future when we could rule this entire continent.

And I LIKE IT!

donsig -

Clarification:

If you mean Sun Tzu's Art of War, yes.

The Military Academy is a small wonder we wont have for a long time. It comes with nationalism.

I would save Ricthoffen for Sun Tzu's, as soon as we get fuedalism. (Re: My last post before yours.)

I think it'll cheaper to rushbuild a library in Nuremberg since the Germans are scientific - 40 shields compared with 60 shields needed for a temple. Also gives more culture - 3 per turn.

Have we chged govt yet?

BTW, at the rate we are pumping out posts into this thread, I think we'll be going into a 2nd thread before the Industrial Age. Something bout a 200 posts limit per thread.

Nuremberg already has a library. It needs MORE culture to envelope Liverpool and keep our roads to Russia open. Thus a temple.

No problem with starting another thread either if we fill this one. Which Im sure we will.:D

We are still a despotism. We should change governments soon, but I wouldnt want to disturb the war production too much either. You will have to figure out an opportune time to overthrow.

Or do it right before someone elses turn.:lol: j/k

The Iron War continues...

The Russians counter attacked near Minsk inflicting minor casualties while incurring greater losses. German forces moves towards Russia while English squatters were sighted near The Bottleneck. The Battle for Yakutsk began with a skirmish in 370 AD. The year 380 was important. The Greeks (whoever they are) built a Great Wall so Berlin built a temple. A temple was also completed in Nuremburg that year. England founded Brighton near The Bottleneck and Germany respected English sovereignty. There were reports of massive barabian activity near Hannover while Richtoffen reached Berlin... Ten years later an Anglish (NOT English) cult of many gods became
popular in Germany only to spark a counter-cult theorizing only one diety.

In the year 400 a horde of barbarian horsemen were seen on The Peninsula. The recent religious upheavals spawned ideas about new governments. A LONG period of civil unrest and anarchy followed. Most importantly Yakutsk (and it's iron ore deposits were captured by Barbarossa! Ten years later a great legion of German swordsmen were cut down by the Peninsula Barbarians - but not before dispatching seven times their own number! These barbarians were finally subdued in the coming years. There were more German casualties near Minsk but Vladivostok was captured.

A detachment of German horsemen SW of Russia plundered the Jutes and came across many angry Celts. The Celts died quickly. In 450 the trade agreement with England was renegotiated. We traded horses and monotheism for the precious iron and 9 gold per decade.

In 470 Richtoffen finally succeeded in establishing the German Republic. Stuttgard was founded on the peninsula in an effort to reduce future barbarian activity there. St. Petersburg was captured while Barbarossa laid seige to Odessa.

A great road to connect Minsk and Yakutsk to Germany is almost complete!

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Sorry I took so long guys. I figured Sun Tzu is what we want so Richtoffen still stands in Berlin. My round was almost all anarchy because I switched (prematurely?) to Republic...

My war against Russia was no blitzkrieg either. I did capture three cities and a full strength Barbarossa stands outside Odessa. After Odessa falls I think the only Russian cities will be to the west and south...

Knight-Dragon: please note that Vladivostok is un-garrisoned while Minsk is defended by a lone elite warrior.

By the time our settler made it to the Bottleneck then English had Brighton. I didn't want to build so close to them there so I sent that settler to the peninsula. Figured we'd be taking Brighton soon enough.

I won't be able to play again till Sunday night. Please continue on without me and I will re-join on Sunday!

Good job, donsig! :goodjob: How many Russian cities left? Is the Sun Zi AoW ready yet?

Will be going home on this Fri evening in bout 2 hours or so. :D Expect the Russians to be whipped further, a buildup along the English border, more cities to cut out the barbarians and more development of our cities. :)

There are still six Russian cities left AFTER Odessa falls to us. Once Odessa is ours we can turn west (with only the English to our backs). St. Pete will be our forward city then with Moscow only a few tiles away!

Not only do the English have Brighton near The Bottleneck, they have Norwich south of Russia as well!

We don't have Feudalism yet so Sun Tzu isn't in the works yet. Our science rate is low and our treasury is OK but we're currently running a deficit. Our fledgling republic needs as much attention as our war with Russia.

Knight-Dragon - A golden age will fix our problems, we will be able to build marketplaces, temples and libraries quickly with the added shields. Maybe some wonders too.

With knights, we will crush everything left in Russia.

What a great game!:D

I think we shld get more workers out to work the tiles around our heartland cities at least. Also build basic improvements like libraries, markets, temples. Otherwise, we shldn't chg govt to republic. :( I got a lot of problems with unrest and under-utilised city tiles. And money. Only Berlin is adequate; the rest have only barracks mostly.

Also suggest we use our GL to hurry the Forbidden Palace in the south instead (St Petersburg looks good) but I left it in Berlin so it's up to the next person to decide. Cos we already have barracks in most of our production cities i.e. Berlin, Leipzig, Koniesburg etc so not much point in having it. We need to bring the south into production more critically IMHO.

Highlights of my turn : -

AD 500 - Conquered Odessa. Captured 2 workers.

AD 510 - Our horsemen found Dover undefended but for the time being, left the English alone .....

AD 530 - We got our own iron but the supply line is very fragile.

AD 540 - Killed 2 archers near Moscow.

AD 550 - Lost 2 horsemen near Moscow. ****.

AD 560 - Forces converged on Moscow. Siege begins. :D

AD 580 - Conquered Moscow. But 7 of our cities went into disorder! War weariness? This is what I mean by improving on our basic infrastructure.

AD 630 - The English are building the Art of War! And we're eons away fr feudalism cos with all the unrest and backward economy, I have to set the science all the way to 10% eventually. Oh, and we also finish the Epic this yr.

I use my turns to build up our inner cities, strengthen our border with the English and defend our cities in the far south-east. Also built more workers to develop the tiles around our inner cities. And connect up a primary defense line (a road actually but I like big terms :) ) betw Nottingham and Konigsberg and also to Nuremberg. Someone will need to build mobile units to make use of this road.

Also I think we shld build up temples, mkts, libs before even bothering to build aqueducts. Cos otherwise even if the pop exceed 6, the extra 1 or 2 will be entertainers and doing nothing useful.

Uh, I'm really sorry about every trouble which I have caused, really. I live in Finland(it's in Europe) so the clock ticks at different position here and I'm a modem user so I don't really spend that much time in net. That's why I haven't been able to answer so quickly.
That was really embarassing... To post the wrong file... I'm really sorry about everything... And I was doing so well in the game, but it seems that you got over it...

Ohwell is in Denmark I believe or whereabouts. I am on the opposite side of the globe fr joespaniel, Mike C and donsig. :) Don't worry, once joe comes back fr work (6-8 hours fr now), we'll get you slotted in again. ;)

BTW, I really like getting London and York rather than the deep south, since with the kind of corruption lvl in Civ3, getting those Russian cities are somewhat useless. :(

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
Ohwell is in Denmark I believe or whereabouts. I am on the opposite side of the globe fr joespaniel, Mike C and donsig. :) Don't worry, once joe comes back fr work (6-8 hours fr now), we'll get you slotted in again. ;)

BTW, I really like getting London and York rather than the deep south, since with the kind of corruption lvl in Civ3, getting those Russian cities are somewhat useless. :(

The English are friends at the moment. As Joe has pointed out, 2 front wars don't work well for Germany. The original objective was London but with the arrogant Russians attempting to ram an unacceptable demand down my throat, we had to go to war with them.

But I agree, the country is a long thin strip right now and our supply of iron is very vulnerable to interdiction by either country in a war.

Actually, Im in Hamburg on a Buisness trip, and I live in Frankfurt. But I used to live in Dennmark for a year, and New York City(was born there). Anyway, Russia is easy to beat, when my turn was on I attacked several times victoriously, with no causualties. And plus, we have an army. After Russia is FULLY tooken over, we should attack England, as Russia msut be eliminated after they sneak attacked me. Then England eill be our province:D . Then we shall rule the world together!

Joespaniel,

Is too late for me to join in?
I seem to be troubled by time difference troubles,

At the time of typing it is 9:02 pm in UK.

I'll wait till next time if you guys are full.

:goodjob:

SkidiWili - Welcome back! We are all glad to finaly hear from you. If you want to jump back in the roster, I will put you back in immediately.

When is the best time of day for you to play?

Knight-Dragon - Relax, its all going to come together now. Were just going through some growing pains. Give me 10 turns and you will not recognize Germany as you know it. :D

Curt Sibling - Check the Rise of Rome thread. Theres some no-shows and I would like you to join the game if I dont hear from them tonight.

Since this is the 3rd round, I went to 10 turns.

Germany was not ready for such an advanced government yet, so I switched us back to Despotism. Monarchy is being researched and will be up in 7 turns. Chivalry should be next.

With a Monarchy, we can fight the war without science suffering too much. With knights, Russia should be finished.

I conquered three more Russian cities, but am stretched thin at the moment. There isnt much resistance anymore. The Russians are stacking units in their cities and waiting for us to kill them. Expect 3 spearmen and an archer in each city.

Got us 5 Russian workers too. Stopped building improvements and switched to pikemen, swordsmen and catapults.

Sun Tzus Art of War stands in Berlin! I bullied the English for fuedalism, and they caved in. Still polite too. They very are afraid of us. Good. As long as they are quiet till Russia is dead, I dont care what they do.

England built a city between Leipzig and Munich! Bastards! I rush-built libraries all around it, so if it goes into civil disorder its ours. Rush built many libraries in Russian towns as well to close up the borders.

One thing: When we were talking about not irrigating, I meant grassland. You SHOULD irrigate plains. Konigsberg and Nuremberg were starving! I began some, keep it up.

Ohwell - Your up next.

Goals: Get more troops to Russia and keep at them! They are in dire straights, show no mercy!

Beware at Kiev, its a tough nut to crack. Bring up alot of heavy stuff to attack it. It was the only town I couldnt capture.

I must bow out at this point. After this weekend, I wont be home much for awhile, due to work and a new side job.

We have done well so far, and I will check up on the game when I have time, to see how its going. Good luck!:goodjob:

The roster on page one seems to be the best order as far as time availabilty for everyone. You guys can keep it or change it as you see fit.

Long Live Germany! - joespaniel:smoke:

" It is the most horribly responsible job a man ever had" Harry S. Truman.

Horrible news, fellow Germans. Our chancellor has been killed, and but nobody to rule. However, Lord of Hammers has been found and is given the crown. He will rule with valor against the Russians, but the country will have to end the war soon, as some new cities ar rebelling.

The siege against Kiev continues, but to no avail. The catapults are shooting, the archers are aiming, the swordsmen striking. But the city holds and a counterattack destroyes the Kiev expeditionary force. Barbarossa's army has been dispached to deal with Kiev.

Meanwhile, Moscow has no defence, and on Lord Hammers last year, Russian archers are in range of the city, and will inevitably liberate it! Our war is not going well, we may have lost it. The first Reisch seems to be failing.

- Moscow is going to be liberated. We must take it back! It will only be defended by archers, so warriors can retake it.

- kiev deserves to be nuked. Build up a large force of 10 swordsman and 5 horsemen and try to attack the city, as all previous efforts were in vain.

- Better get moving with our economy, we need more money and technology quick. Also, we MUST explore! We must meet new trading partners!

- Good luck, fellow Chancellors.

Because Joespaniel has left for a while, I have taken it upon myself to add this post to help us out finding who is playing.


Ohwell(3 Round Completed)Playing)
Donsig( 3 Round Completed)
Knight-Dragon(3 Round Completed)\
SkidiWili(3Round Completed)
CurtSibling(3 round complete)
Mike C(3 round completed)

Ohwell is on!

I am ready anytime,

Just send me an email when you want me to take over.

I think I will switch you with Mike C, he isnt on much, so its your turn! Bring Russia to the stone age!

Actually I only remembered playing 2 rounds .... Have I played the 3rd round already? Hmmm .....

sorry guys. At work right now.

my ICS is down somehow at home. Can't go on internet at all... take me out until the problem is resolved.

thanks.

A new German despot took control of Germany in 820 AD. His reign began on a low note: Moscow was lost to the Russians, the English built another city on the Peninsula and the whole German navy was lost in the frozen north. Despite this, Catherine's pleas for peace went unanswered while news of a splendid garden in Greece was heard. The despot continued moving his forces against Germany while he order Barbarossa to return to base and resplenish his army's forces.

The despot's successors recaptured Moscow in 880 while stupid English peasants irrigated the land near Berlin! The German despots are benevolent and the citizens of Brighton, envoius of the great German culture, pledged allegiance to the Reich. The Bottleneck is German after all!

Tblisi was captured in 910 as German forces (including the very first Tuetonic knight) continued moving towards the Russian cities. Barbarossa is at full strength and heading south.

I suggest we save Kiev for last and clean up the other Russian cities. Is it time for a German king yet?:king:

I think Knight-Dragon is up next. I played 10 turns. Good luck!

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Knight Dragon, , youre up next, bring Russia down! Also pleeease explore and look for new trading partners., nobody else hears my cries.

10 turns is too short to do much of any exploring. And attking the hapless AI is a lot more fun. :) Don't worry, will get right to it - the exploring part. After work today that is; in about another 8-10 hours. :(

Knight-Dragon if you think we should still play 15 turns each that's ok by me. This is my first succession game and I'm not sure how things normally go...:crazyeyes

This is my first succession game too (not counting the other two that I am currently in concurrently :) ). 10 or 15 turns is fine. I prefer 10 actually - less work. Cos you know in modern wars (with bombers, battleships, tanks, artillery etc), each turn can take ages ......
So fr now on, suggest we keep it to 10 turns at a minimum. Anyone is welcomed to play 15 if he wants (or in betw 10 and 15). Objections?

PS Actually I was the one suggesting we lower the no of turns with each new round. ;) Hopefully I can finish off the Russians once and for all ...

My internet is back up and running. Let me know whereI fit in again.

Houston, we have a problem. It's 1000 AD and we aren't even ready for republic yet. Got a too big army, too many 'useless' cities (those with 1 shield, 1 commerce) and lousy infrastructure. The Russian War had dragged on for too long and we got the English War coming up next .....

Why do we have a Right-of-Passage with the English? The English are using it to found cities all over our place .... :(

Anyway, highlights of my career : -

920 Upgraded a few vet spearmen in border cities. Another English settler accompanied by pikemen heading towards Berlin. :(

930 Chging govt to monarchy. Russians building Sistine Chapel.

940 Birmingham has submitted to us! We also captured Krasnoyarsk and another iron supply. Russians building the JS Bach. Seems like they're more advanced than us ....

970 Anarchy ended. Monarchy now. Bad decision ..... Worse off than under despotism cos gotta support a lot more of units with gold. Forgotten bout this point ... :(

980 Got a force outside Kiev to watch for archers. :)

990 Russians building Copernicus Observatory.

1000 We got another force around Sverdlovsk now. :)

End

Suggestions - use the force outside Kiev to take the Russian capital and the force around Sverdlovsk to take Novgorod.

This is a tough game but I like it as I'm learning. I never mined a single tile in my first two games. This game taugh me my folly and I made lots of mines in my GOTM.:goodjob:

Knight-Dragon: I've basically avoided contact with Elizabeth. Didn't want to risk a war while Russia still around. I didn't initiate the ROP but never asked the English to leave either...

SkidiWIli is up next, but CurtSibling may play instead.

Uh, I live in Finland, and I have modem connection. That's why I'm online during different times of day and not for long. I do visit this site regularly. I can take my turn...

Originally posted by SkidiWili
Uh, I live in Finland, and I have modem connection. That's why I'm online during different times of day and not for long. I do visit this site regularly. I can take my turn... I use a modem at home to upload my games too. Don't worry bout timing and all that. Go ahead and thrash the Russians. :D They got only three cities left that we can see and I have left for 2 large forces near Kiev and another Russ city especially for you ..... :D

Is it going ok Sidiwili? Just concerned that you haven't reposted yet.

If the Teutonic high lords will it, I will take the reins of power!!!

Is it 20 turns per go?

Can someone post the save game you want me to ake over from..?

I will do ye proud! :king:

It is accepted to be 15 turns for now. Hopefully Skidiwili can play next round, I wonder what happened. Maybe his computer broke or he forgot to pay his Phone bill. Hehe.

Here is the file you wanted

OK - it is now the weekend. Will someone please take a turn!

We can use the patch now!:)

It's Skidiwilli's turn now. But he doesn't seem to be around. Can either CurtSibling or Mike C pls take a turn?

Pls post first to say you're taking the turn (and expected time to post your summary and game) so that both of you won't end up taking the same turn. :crazyeyes

I PMed Curt yesterday and he said he would play, give him time.

It's your move Curt, it's been 2 days since you've posted.

Gott im Himmel, der reich ist kaput!

How goes the war, gentlemen?

[DARTH VADER VOICE] Do not fail me! [/DARTH VADER VOICE]

;)

Originally posted by joespaniel
How goes the war, gentlemen?

[DARTH VADER VOICE] Do not fail me! [/DARTH VADER VOICE]

;) Slooooooowly....... Since we lost our Great Leader (hemph hemph, you :) ), things are a bit disorganised and players are actually missing in action. I was the last one to play I think ....

Russia is about kaput. Only Kiev and two other cities in the south. I had set up two forces to take Kiev and one of the southern cities ..... (Hint! Hint! for the next player).

But, development-wise, quite bad and the yrs are catching on. And English cities interspaced within our empire although one joined us during my reign. Hadn't made contact with other civs yet. And got a lot of near-useless ex-Russian cities. Too far fr our capital to produce fast enough .....

Overall, OK. Plus the English fear us (as they shld be). :)

Ok, I am sick of this, I am going to take the latest game posted and just play my 10 turns regardless of who's turn it is. This is getting dragged down wayyyy to much.

Whoever went last, repost a copy of the most recent save. I'll download it and play my turns when I get home.

Atta boy, Mike C!:goodjob:

AAAAAAAAHH! Someone PLAY! I posted the latest save file in my post above, Mike C. And how did we lose a great leader. Tsk tsk. Irresposible escorts, you are. Anyway, Mike C, its your go! I have no idea what is going on with this. Hopefully this SG will not die, as the Roman one almost did.

The 100 years of King Mike's rule.

In the dawn of the new millenium, 1000 A.D., the child king Mike was proclaimed ruler of the German peoples and their subjucated provincials.

The time was dark with war as the German people were embattled in the long struggle against the evil Russians led by the fat and ugly Catherine.

Led by his intrepid advisors and generals, the boy at the age of 10 personally witnessed the sacking of Kiev itself in the year 1010 A.D. His armies pressed ever on ward and though an army was lost near Riga, in the end, the Russians would only know defeat as their capital of Riga was taken in 1100 A.D. while the king was on his deathbed. The Russians after centuries of war were finally defeated once and for all.

Nonetheless, his reign was not all of irresponsible war. During his time the discovering of Engineering and Theology took place. He started public works projects in many cities including several aqueducts aimed at providing growth to several stagnant cities. With the German people finally at peace, he wispered to his successor, "Do not seek war for we have grown weak and our hatred has bred ignorance in our people. See to it our cities prosper and our culture flourish, disband the army and reinstate the senate which our people were not ready for so long ago. Build momuments of learning for the genious of our scholars shall build us new weapons of war....."

Originally posted by Ohwell
And how did we lose a great leader. Tsk tsk. Irresposible escorts, you are.Oh, we didn't lose any GL in the game itself. Only making a remark that joespaniel was our Great Leader for starting this SG in the first place .... I mean we already got 2 GLs in the game. Kinda hard to expect a third one.

Let's see, it's Ohwell's turn now and then mine, nicht war?

CurtSibling's and Skidiwilli's turns first, then the two of you I think.

I think we skipped CurtSibling because he was a no-show and SkidiWili hasn't been heard from in a looooong time. If Ohwell plays then I can play after work tonight and Knight-Dragon can play after me. Imagine getting three turns done in 24 hours....:cool:

Yeah, cool with me. Playing all 3 of my succession games tonite at one shot ...... :cool:

Suggestion - extract an oath of attendance fr each player before signing him up to play in a succession game. Something like - I swear I shall play on time when it's my turn or else I am a pig kind-of-thing.

Hey Knight-Dragon, maybe you and I should play this one by ourselves!:crazyeyes

So where is the next save guys?

Donsig, you are very impatient. The 72 hour rule is still in effect, and I still have untill tomarrow to play. Just sit back and play one of your other games while I get my turn done, ok?;)

No time for update, coming tomarrow.

Yes, I am impatient - I'm a civfanatic. That 72 hour rule wasn't my idea... and at the rate your half hours go by, Ohwell, 72 hours could take a couple months.:lol:

Just razzin' ya a bit. It would be nice, though, if you'd let us know when you intend to play. If you can't get to the game for a couple days just say so and you won't hear any noise from me.:)

Now that you've rushed your turn Ohwell I must confess that I can't play till tomorrow.:(

Hi there. Me again. :D

Sorry I couldnt stick with it guys. I have worked 52 hours in 4 days. More to follow too. Im exhausted. Only 30 more years to go before I make that million dollars and retire. ;)

Only one job per day for the next three days though. Then off Sunday. Yay!

Sounds as though everyone is learning alot. Sucession games are pretty tough as we all found out. Patience is key.

Good luck, sounds as though the hardest job, peace, is at hand. The true test of any leader.

I prefer war personaly. :lol:

Hey, Joespaniel! Nice to see you got a day off. Patience is the key, as some of us are currently learning the hard way:lol:
I also prefer war, it is very exciting to see your knights obliverating all in their path.... ah, if only I were a knight.

Patient? I am patient. I am very patient. :) Except when it comes to the turn before mine in a Civ3 succession game. :mad: :lol:

Whose turn is it now anyway? I think Mike C's around.

Joe, we love ya. :love: Hope you'll find some more free time soon. :D And rolling in a sea of $$$. :crazyeyes

Patience is a virtue but I don't play civ to be virtuous.:D

It's been a long time... Russia is gone! The militaristic Germans are at peace with the world...

1190 AD: Greeks built Leo's Workplace so Berlin had to settle for a coliseum.

1220 AD: The Peaceful German People learn how to make gunpowder...

1240 AD: Tne Peaceful German People make a saltpeter colony just in case they once again become the Militaristic German People.

1255 AD: 3 English settlers with military escorts asked to leave our territory. They do.

1265 AD: The Peaceful German People formulate a better way of passing on knowledge. The Peaceful German Scientists turn their attention to the composition of matter.

Note: I didn't even think about upgrading our army!:eek: We have cash. I think we should gear up for war with England.

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I think it's my turn. :D The mighty Conquerer of Moscow hath returnth, praise be. :)

Will be back in some time to post my part of the epic. ;)

PS I am on leave tomorrow (Friday) and Monday is a public holiday (Hari Raya Puasa - the Muslim end of Ramadan festive day). Hint! Hint! :love:

Reign of Knight-Dragon the Most Magnificent

Highlights : -

1265 Established embassies with everyone. You'll never know ....

1280 Rushbuilding the Forbidden Palace in St Petersburg, using GL. We are close to Martial Tradition anyway.

1285 Forbidden Palace built. Overnight, our cities in the south became extremely productive, much like our German heartland. Lebensraum is now a true success! Note - we got a force in Koniesgburg. If the English try anything funny, you know what to do.

1305 Chging govt.

1310 Chinese finished JS Bach.

1320 Greeks finished Magellan's.

1325 Chged govt to Republic. Manually adj each city. We are now a flourishing republic! :D

End

Suggestions - Need more defenders for our southern cities.

Up next - Mike C

Almost forgot to attach file.

Where'd the GL come from? Was he there when I played?:confused:

Long live the Second German Republic!:goodjob:

Originally posted by donsig
Where'd the GL come from? Was he there when I played?:confused:

Long live the Second German Republic!:goodjob:

He emerged during the twilight of the the Great German-Russian war. I was sending him to Berlin but I gues Knight Dragon had other plans.

I'll be posting my turn when I get home (6 hours or so).

We really need to cut down on the massive corruption in all our southern cities. Our science research and tax were like in the Bronze Age. There also wasn't any Wonders to build and we're falling more behind with every yr.

Now you'll have the southern cities online. Our science is good as with tax. Once we really build up the south, we'll be unstoppable. :cool: Besides we'll get Martial Tradition soon and then we can build the Military Academy wonder and start building Armies. Considering the no of cities we have, we can have a lot of Armies. :D

Now suggest we go for Theory of Gravity next. Let's try to get a headstart building the Newton University. :goodjob:

Originally posted by donsig
Where'd the GL come from? Was he there when I played?:confused:

Long live the Second German Republic!:goodjob: You mean, both you and Ohwell missed it? The GL was there, sitting pretty in Berlin, doing nothing.

Yep, also been upgrading some vet units but damn expensive. 60 gold to upgrade pikes to muskets. But don't worry, now we're a flourishing Republic. We got money! :cool: The old Republic is now just a bad dream ....

And we haven't even got banking and built any banks yet. Our potential is enormous. The old Russian lands are actually very good. :goodjob:

You mean, both you and Ohwell missed it? The GL was there, sitting pretty in Berlin, doing nothing.

And I played my turns wishing I could build the Forbidden Palace! Serves me right for being so darn impatient!

Actually, I put the GL in Berlin, because I didn't know what to do with it, I hope one of you know's what to do.

Sounds like Knight-Dragon knew just how to use the GL to turn our Russian conquests into a productive part of the Second German Republic. :goodjob:

The question is where do we go from here? Do we make nice to everyone or try to conquer them?:confused:

I would prefer war to anything, but nothing big, I hate world wars! Maybe we should kill England soon. Then we have the entire continent!

Suggestion : - Develop the south for the time being; mobilize the north for war. :D

Think of it this way; now we have the German empire combined with a working former Russian empire. Ex-Russia is now peaceful but militaristic Germany is still looking for further conquests!

We shld fall on the English like hell as soon as we have the forces (which may take some time). Just need to watch out for other civs attempting to put a foot in. ;)

Sorry boys, things got kinda hectic. The soonest I can get a turn up is Saturday afternoon. So if anyone wants to skip me, thats fine....but what are we down to right now? 3 ?

4 including you. Ohwell, donsig, me then you. No idea at all about Curtsibling and Skidiwilli. ;)

The soonest I can get a turn up is Saturday afternoon. So if anyone wants to skip me, thats fine.

Ohwell would be next so we'll leave it up to him about skipping Mike C's turn. I don't mind waiting.:)

Sounds good guys!

I especialy liked Knight-Dragon's idea about the North producing troops while the South builds infrastructure.

Kill a few English for me.:arrow:

Just watch out they dont wreck you new Lebensraum in the south. Suggestion: Patrol the Russia-England border during your invasion.

I will let Mike C until Sunday morning, then he will be skipped.

Go GERMANS!


[dance] I don't even have the game and i have been following your posts. i have to wait for Xmas in order to get it :( . Anyways go Germans and conquer the world!

Come on guys........ Keep the posts coming! :goodjob:

As of now Mike C is skipped, so it is my turn. Post coming in hour or two. Glad to see you are so interested Yankee!

The infamous Lord of Hammers has lead his men into the German Parliament building, taking command of Germany. Lord of Hammers lets Germany keep its Republic however, and believes in the freedom of the people. He is straining to enlighten the people, but at the same time fearing a war with the neighnors to the east.

- 1360- Our German culture of heavy drinking and eating has convinced the city of Exeter to join our great empire!

-1370- Our German Alchemists have devised a theory on how the Earth works, they call it Physics. Nowich, an English city, succumbs to our great culture as well.

- The war with England has not come yet as our military is not strong enough offensivley to make a descicive victory. Keep those Knights training!

- Protect our southern flank, the Greeks want a piece of us.

- Continue my plan to enlighten our people with great knowledge and luxuries!

Oops!

1400 AD: Herr Donsig allied the German republic with Ceasar in the latter's war with Alexander of Greece. In return Roman technical advisors divulged secrets concering banking, music theory and the printing press. In a move to bolster the treasury for the war effort and avert war weariness, Herr Donsig sent scientists to China to teach German physics. In return German ivory began to be exported to China in return for silks. More ivory was sold to the Japanese and English. The Japanese also began importing German spices. The balance of payments nets the German treasury 28 gold every 5 years.

1405: Traded maps with Mao. Germans discover magnetism and turn to studying metals. The upgrading of the German army continues as forces move towards the Greek cities near what was once known as 'Russia'.

1410: Japan and Greece ally versus Ceasar while Mao succumbs to Alexander's treachery by declaring war on Germany and voiding recent trade agreements! This results in sporadic civil unrest in outlying parts of the republic.

1415: Miletos captured at the cost of one contingent of German knights.

NOTE: This is only a partial update as this was all I could play before work. Will finish my round and post tonight. I think we need a navy! My goal is to push the Greeks from our continent then make peace. Hope to do this before China invades!

So let me get this straight........It's you(the germans) the Japs, and Greek against Rome and China?:eek:

Suggestion - get the English (if they're still around ... ) to attk the Greeks as well and give them passage rights. Otherwise they might be 'persuaded' by the Greeks into attking us. I don't think we're ready for a two-front war at this time. Also helps to weaken them for our final 'meal'. :)

Let's sweep the Greeks back into the sea. :D

So let me get this straight........It's you(the germans) the Japs, and Greek against Rome and China?

Almost. It's us (Germany) and Rome allied against Greece and China (who are also allied). Japan is also at war with Rome but not with us. The English are walking allover our land with workers but they raised a fuss when one of our ships sailed into their territorial waters.

Going to play more now...

Originally posted by donsig
Going to play more now... Your 'now' seems to take forever ..... :rolleyes: :D

Sorry, Knight-Dragon, I played then went to bed - because I had to get back up in less than 4 hours. Here is the file.

EDIT: Attachment deleted to conserve forum server space. Download all the saves from this thread here. (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads/german_empire_first_thread_saves.zip)

1420 AD: Contacted Japan about a trade agreement to bring in wines. They wanted magnatism. We refused.

1425: German musketmen killed by Greek longbowmen near Pergamon. Said city occupied and German archers take revenge on Greek longbowmen. German factory in the north begins producing cannon as our historians evelope the German military tradition. Artemisium taken, swordsmen and knight units lost.

1430: Egypt and Japan sign mutual protection pact. Greek force defeated near Riga. Herr Donsig obtains use of English roads from Elizabeth of England. This allows easier access to the Greek cities in the south.

1435: Herr Donsig negotitates an alliance with Japan and presents the Shogun with a few magnets as tokens of friendship. Japan declares war on China.

1440: Egypt joins the bandwagon and declares war on China

1445: German scientists search for ways to make a decent navy.

The world at war:

We are allied with Rome against Greece. Greece and China are allied against us. We are allied with Japan against China. Egypt is also fighting China while the schizophrenic Japanese are also fighting our Roman allies!

:confused:

There are five Greek cities left on our continent. There is incense near one and we could use another luxury. After we take these cities we should move our forces back north and take the five English cities. There is also one English city in the far north to take. After that England will be a compact mass of cities waiting for our knights and cannon.

I moved all our forces south and we only have some new units on the English border and in Konigsberg. There is also a large force in Riga that escaped my attention and is still fortified. The road to Riga is almost complete. We need a road to Pergamon and I think some workers in the area are automated to do who knows what.

http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/9558/1445ad7eb.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Maybe I don't know what I am talking about but here it goes. In order not to lose a good allie, pick the best allie to you. The one who trades the best or maybe the best military allie.Stick with them to the end of all these wars. It looks like you will have to go against one of your allies like in the battle between Rome and Japan.Maybe I don't know what i'm talking about and the Japs are not one of your allies. overall keep your focus on the war against Greece. Anyways, keep up the ggod work:goodjob: !

I think it's good advice to remain friends with Rome and Japan and maybe even cultivate some goodwill with Cleopatra.

England is the only country not currently at war with anyone. If only Elizabeth knew what lurks in the heart of us Germans.:lol:

Up next - Mike C! I am too lazy to play this turn. :o Besides, it's late, almost midnight ..... I'll play after Mike.

Everyone, I think we need more people for our German and Roman succession games. 4 is too few for each, considering both will probably be long drawn-out games. What do you think? Shld we open our doors for recruitment? :D Maybe 5-7 each?

If you guys do decide to recruit more leaders to help rule Germany, I would be honored to join. I have read this entire thread, and am impressed by the nation thus far.

i.P

sorry guys, I'm going to have to retire.

Christmas has got me pretty busy. No time to play.

Maybe after Christmas, I'll have some time again.

Ohwell is running this one now so it's all up to him. I don't mind new players.:)

Someday, probably this month, I shall get the comp that I can play Civ3 on hooked up to the net. Perhaps I shall join you in taking over the world in the future...:egypt:

My offer stands. I would be willing to take Mike C's place.

Just let me know if you want me to take a turn.

i.P

Sure, you can play! You can play now, Im no t sure of turn order

Psychosis, play now. I'll play after you; tonight in another 12 hrs or so. Welcome! Note - you can play betw 10 to 20 turns. Up to you. ;)

Mike C can rejoin us after Christmas. :)

Ok. Here goes. BTW, wife and baby out of town. No work for 2 days. I'll be here. :eek:

i.P

Nice war my friends, you are well on the way to a conquest victory. I envision that to be the goal of the game at this point. The momentum is with you, run with it.

I feel glad to see the English cities succumbing to German culture, that was one of my intentions early in the game. They expand like a dry sponge in water, those limeys.

But I REALLY hope to see some screenshots of panzers running amok in China soon. :D

You guys make me proud. Carry on and spread the glory of our empire to every corner of the world. Show no mercy, but remember discretion is the better part of valor.

Our little Germany game (the first German sucession game, I might add) is a success because everyone is enjoying it. Hell, people not even playing it are reading this thread. Thats great!

Good luck, my friends.
-joespaniel:smoke:

Thx all for allowing me to join. This is a lot of fun.

1450 AD : Leipzig finished its grand university and begins work on a bank. Hamburg produces a frigate and begins another. (I have sent these frigates south towards the Greeks to assist in destroying them) So many workers! Don't worry, I didn't automate any.

1455 AD : Greece and Egypt sign a mutual protection pact, which causes Egypt to declare war on us. Egypt also begins work on Shakespeare's Theatre. Civil disorder broke out upon receipt of this news but was quelled quickly with a few entertainers.

1460 AD : The road to Riga is completed. I accidentally rushed the temple in Riga. I was just looking to see how much it would cost, and when I meant to say no, I said yes. Needless to say, Richmond will soon be ours. We took Rhodes by force, there were 2 resistors with a gold coin each. The resistance was put down.

1465 AD : We learned Navigation. Began work on the Theory of Gravity, without knowing the sneaky Egyptians were almost done with Newton's University.

1470 AD : Berlin gets a bank. The people want the military academy, so it's being built in Berlin. Munich has an expansion of culture. Egyptians finish Newton's University.

1475 AD : Many city improvements were completed in this year. I went with the suggestions for more military units to replace units lost in the battle for Eretria.

1480 AD : Civil disorder rampant throughout the reich. I raised the general happiness spending to 20%. Now only making a 3 GP profit. We did take the Greek city of Eretria and squashed their puny rebellion. Their citizens are unhappy, but working.

1485 AD : Order is restored to most of the nation. A little special attention was needed in places like Nottingham, Nuremburg, and Norwich (hmmm, all "N" cities). But all is well with them now.

1490 AD : We learned the Theory of Gravity and set to work on Steam Power. Once we get a few rail lines set up, we will be able to move troops more effectivley to help keep our continent free of any possible future expantion by outsiders. We have entered the industrial age and have learned Nationalism in the process. The advance on Reading commences...

Wow, this is real fun. I only took 10 turns, when I play my own games I rush through them too quick, this is a very nice change of pace.

You're up Knight-Dragon.

EDIT: I was looking at where I left off to make sure everything looked good when I noticed a Greek ship off our easternmost coast where Vladisvock(sp?) is. I only saw one, but there may be more coming.

Here's a screeenshot from the latest save.

Note the English city on an island!

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/7504/1495smal5th.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

What do you guys use to take the screenshots? Is there an in-game hotkey?

Nice game you guys got going here.

About the screenshot, I just hit PrtSc (Print Screen) on my keyboard and resize the picture with a program that edits pictures like paint or corel. Anyway, I'm really intrigued with your screenshots Dosing. Do you use a capturing program that makes the pictures fit perfectly in the post? Or do you do the same as I, resizing the picture to the right scale (768x576)?

I've been using printscreen then pasting that into paint and saving it which gives a bmp file. I've got some imaging software that came with our scanner and I use that to open the bmp file and then resave it as jpg. Sometimes I resize the jpg file. I think I make the last one 6 inches by 8 inches. I've been experimenting since joespaniel wrote about screenshots in one of these threads. On my 17" moniter at home the shots I post are really big and I can't see the whole thing at once !:eek: So I've been trying to figure out how to shrink them.

Does that help? It's tough to explain what I'm doing when I don't understand it myself!:crazyeyes

EDIT: I'm at work now and the shot with the five Greek cities is too big for this monitor as well. So I think the answer to the question is, yes, I'm resizing the picture. (Though I used inches as the scale rather than pixels.)

Here is a shot of the Greek ship headed towards us.

I got a little screen grabber that lets me draw a box and gives the pixel specs while doing it; also saves as .jpg

Wipe the Greeks from the continent!

i.P

A lot of things can happen in 10 turns .... :crazyeyes

Highlights : -

1500 Captured Reading and 3 workers. Upgraded a few knights and catapults.

1505 Upgraded a few more knights.

1510 Greeks captured Vladivostok. So? <shrugs>

1515 Disorder everywhere ..... Captured Troy and Marathon.

1520 The Japanese have destroyed the Romans! Recaptured Vladivostok. We made peace with the Greeks and got economics and democracy out of the deal. We also made peace with the Egyptians.

1530 The Egyptians had destroyed the Chinese! Our wars are at an end. I personally made a tour of the empire and reordered the cities. Note - develop the tiles in our German heartland! E.g. Frankfurt and that port-city W of Berlin actually utilised undeveloped city tiles ....

1535 We will get industrialization in 8 turns. Blackmail the English for Free Artistry. Note - start building the Theatre and then switch to Suffrage. A lot of ppl are building the Theatre .... And start railroading! (I forgot :o )

End

Further notes - need more defenders. Some of our cities only got one defender.

Also need to stop our luxury exports (for no good reason). Unroad our roads to all those luxury tiles that we export out and reroad back. This is my way to get around this 'bug' and if you have a better method, pls do.

Also sending 3 or more workers back to Koniesgburg. You'll have to send more to begin railroading. We can build workers in those 12 pop cities there (in our German heartland) as a shortcut.

We got democracy; may want to consider chging govt so our workers can work faster ....

Finally, I left our cavalry forces in Riga, Rhodes and Koniesgburg.

I was checking on the state of the Reich, but I was unable to load the .sav file without causing the game to crash at about 57% while loading. Is anyone else having this problem? I tried othere saves I had and they all work. So, I don't think it is me. I checked the archive and re-downloaded it. But to no avail.
:eek:

Not sure what you mean but when I tried downloading my saved game file now (at work), it works ok for me. Anyone else having this same problem? If so, pls report and I'll reload the file tonight (after I get home fr work).

Further suggestion : -

When we get industrialization, switch the Wonder production in Berlin to the Suffrage and build the Military Academy in another city, so that our capital can cont producing Wonders and other infrastructure and not Armies. ;)

I tried again. The only save I can't open is the one you uploaded Knight-Dragon.

You mean that you can't download it or that you can't unzip it and load it up in your Civ3? Very strange cos I am zipping it and loading it up exactly as I have always done. :confused: I'll have to check on it later tonight.

Can someone else pls try?

I'll try it when I get home from work in another hour or two.