Welcome to Trade Term 4.
Shylock: SaaM
Antonio the Doughnut Monger: Octavian X

Yes, this term will start as Shakespeare themed, but I give it a week until it breaks down into musical theater (again)

Well, thats all for now. More to come later.

SaaM
MoT

Yo Ho Ho And A Bottle of Cash: Trade Discussion $1 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2304299#post2304299)

NOTE: The Convention is Coming! Be There! Don't Make Me Draft My Own Legislature!

congratulations on your victory (i surpose :( )

congratulations on your victory (i surpose :( )
Yeah me too. :cry:

Congrats on your victory!! regards ali

@all(not ali)- we still need chat reps. So theres still a job for you two. Just pick names from Merchant of Venice and I'll get you started

SaaM

Ah, to trade or not to trade. That is the question.

Have a great term Saam and Oct.

Ah, to trade or not to trade. That is the question.

Have a great term Saam and Oct.

Gramercies, my dear Pope. Whether it be nobler in the thread to use the wrong play or to take up arms against a sea of partisanship.
yada yada yada
ecetera
i really should memorize that monolouge some time soon

SaaM

:lol: Congrats, Stuck.

I thought it was, "Whether it is nobler to take the crap, or sling it right back at 'em...."

Thanks Cyc.
Now, for the first major project of trade. Ever (bigger than last term).
Working with Minister Provolution, the Ministry of Trade is happy to annoucne:
A REORG!

Thats right, we here at Shylock Corp. are reorganizing ourselves to spin off more divisions and give more people jobs. A ReOrg Convention will begin in T4 to write these down in the proper legal jargon (Cyc, can we count on your attendance for help with said jargon?), but here is the basic outline:
The Ministry of Trade will be broken up into four different components, each with a chair, and all chairs reporting to the Minister with their information.
* The Minister will head the main branch, which deals with major trades of Technology. The Minister will also work with the Ministers of the FA and Science department to assure that the techs are allowed to be traded and that the security of the nation will not be jeopardized by said trades. This is the Technology Trade Office (TTO).
* The second office is the Resource Barter Office (RBO). This office deals in the trade of both Luxury and Strategic Resources. It will report directly to the minister and may have the authority to post in the TCIT.
* The third office works with the Culture Department to ensure that we gain techs for wonders. It is the Wonder Denial Office (WDO). It too reports to the Minister of Trade, but it will not have any TCIT power.
* The fourth office is the Foreign Aid Office (FAO (schwartz...)). This office is a pet of mine, as it works with supplying things to at-risk (friendly) nations to ensure their survival. It would supply them with techs and gold to keep them alive, and, if need be, it would submit a plea to domestic to create a new city which we would be able to transfer to said client state to ensure their survival.

These are the four new offices. The convention starts on Nov 3 (as if I really plan to do any work on a fake democracy on Nov 2), and will either feature a very happy SaaM or a very glum one threatening to move to Canada (depending on the previous night).

SaaM
MoT
Head of the TTO

Can you clarify this for me? You're delegating your powers to the office heads?

No. I am keeping all of my powers, but I am making it so that other also get a job as well. As stated, all people report to me. And in regards to working WITH (not making them do the job) the other heads, odds are I'd just run it like I ran it last term.. give people techs for riddiculous sums of cash (without FA or Science saying anything).
Also, this is just what I came up with now. The Convention will hammer out the details.

SaaM

cool,
you just made me look at a shakespearae book as i have sworn last year, i would never do again.

Can i apply for the Trade-Culture job, if i can have this job, i would like the name Lorenzo iam a freind of friend of Bassanio and Antonio;lover of the jessica. thanks

cool, ill just go find my copy of the merchant of veince (i read about 6 years ago its pretty crap)

thank you for applying to the Ministry of Trade.
NEXT!

Commandment One:
Thou Shalt Not Dis The Bard In The Presence of the Minister of Trade

Why couldn't you use a Shakespearean play that I've already read? Othello was always a nice guy. Or, couldn't we allow a collapse to something Pythonesqe?

Anyway, if you need anything done, Mr. Minister, I'll be sitting here in my corner.

does that mean i cant have the job i even found a name from the story.

You stated this was Shapespere themed and nothing more, specifically.

"Ay, there's the rub."

More Hamlet. :p

Have fun, official fish monger of Japanatica.

I would like to apply for the RBO office. For some Shakespear "Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo." It is the only bit of Shakespeare I can think off of the top of my head.

It is the east! And SaaM is the sun!

@ ch and oct: off the top of my head, I would like oct to be the head of the RBO and CH the head of either the WDO or the FAO.
@CH: i've seen octs work on lux trades. i thought that work in previous games would have lead to my defeat, so thats why I want oct @ the RBO. take your pick of the other two

SaaM

and yes, we can fart in anyones general direction if we wish to.

My lanthorn doth the horned moon present.

My Landhorn doth the horned moon present?

I am the man ith moon do seem to be.

Honorable Minister SAAM

Please look into the trades for Navigation with the French and Chinese, and discuss them and poll them ahead of next turnchat. Newtons College will be built anyways in a few turns, so this is a very timely and strategic move, plus we got more luxuries than we need. We need Magellans badly to get that extra naval edge many call for.

Request to Ministers SaaM and Civman2004:
#1: France, Russia, and China now have Navigation. None, however, have ToG, Magnets, or Military Tradition. (Notes: MT gives the Russians their UU. Newton's will be completed in 4 if it stays in Odawara, so ToG on Turn 5 should be Safe. Russia won't deal for ToG.)

Just had to make it semi-official.

President SD3: When is the next chat? I'm on a sugar high now and I dont feel like looking at the save. I will post a discussion tomorrow.

SaaM

Resource Batter Office it is. Mmmm... Batter...

I'll check out all the trading oppertunities sometime tonight.

I would like to apply for the RBO office. For some Shapespear "Romeo, Romeo, wherefore art thou Romeo." It is the only bit of Shakespeare I can think off of the top of my head.

Shape spear??? :hmm:

Shape spear??? :hmm:
It must have been late when I wrote that. Since I don't drink coffee, that smilie is wasted on me. I did say it correctly the second time.

Honorable Minister Saam and the RBO,
I would like to point out a limited opportunity to sell Saltpeter to the Babylonians. There is currently a worker team building a road to the Bab's one source of Saltpeter. We have a chance now to sell them Saltpeter and thus make a profit on something they will not need for long. I have not loaded the save, so I cannot tell if there is or is not a real profit to be made.

Yo Ho Ho And A Bottle of Cash: Trade Discussion $1 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2304299#post2304299)

Honorable Minister Saam and the RBO,
I would like to point out a limited opportunity to sell Saltpeter to the Babylonians. There is currently a worker team building a road to the Bab's one source of Saltpeter. We have a chance now to sell them Saltpeter and thus make a profit on something they will not need for long. I have not loaded the save, so I cannot tell if there is or is not a real profit to be made.

Thanks for pointing this out, MOTH. You can be assured that we will looking into that possibility very soon.

I just need to get home and boot up the save game... :)

~Octavian X
Deputy Minister of something Shakespearean Mongering or other...:confused:

The RBO has filed it's report for 1180 A.D. LINK (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=103859)

Avast Yee! Poll ahoy! Arr! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=103897)

Honorable Minister,
We have large gpt trades expiring in 1 and 4 turns. I would like to suggest that Trade look into trading Military Tradition to our rivals in either 1 or 4 turns (or both). France will currently pay a huge sum for Military Tradition. If any of our rivals get it then they will sell to France mightly quick.

I would like to suggest that the trade ministry poll trades that can actually be done. It will save the Judicial Department alot of work in future.

Bah! We'll run ourselves as an autocratic Shakespearean production, thank you very much. :p

By the way, the RBO has filed it's 1220 A.D. Report (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=104221)

Indeed! And so what if neither Oct nor I bother to check the save and realize that our trades combined cant work due to excessive amounts of gold...

And yea, heres TTOs report:We've Got Nothing (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=104203)

Poll is up! Trade Poll $2 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=104259)

Trade Discussion $3 is up (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=104482)

Poll is up! Yeeagh! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=104637)

Minister SaaM,

We will be having an emergency Turnchat on 16 November to possibly investigate foreign cities for Cultural problems.

I encourage you to devise plans for trade if you can reasonably do so. If you "need more time" the Main Turnchat will be on Saturday. We will have taken no more than 3 turns (my stated rule) in this Emergency TC, so don't feel like you are under pressure.

Minister SaaM:

I must apolgize for my sporadic sightings here in the forum. You see, I've been swamped by homework, miscellaneous other work, and operations as part of my plans for total world domination. I'll try to get things back on track in the RBO.

To the trade minister

Id like to request that this ministry concentrate on not trading with China and concentrate on trading with America and Russia and to other nations to compenstate for any loss of trade with China this will limit the economic might of China and prevent it to wage war for imperialist ambition, i hope that no gold or resources or technology is traded with China at all cost, please consider this.

Thank you
regards ali

Honored Shylock SaaM and Antonio the Doughnut Monger OctavianX,

Please consider a more aggressive policy of gifting to nations to raise their level of technology and the overall level of technological equality. I would also like the Shylock Ministry to consider all trading partners and to trade with everyone on terms of goodwill and friendship.

Excpet to nations whom wage war and bully their neigbouring nations into submission

Excpet to nations whom wage war and bully their neigbouring nations into submission

Nations like us?

we as a nation never occupied and detroyed an entire nation like some nations, we have only embarked on one war of national imperialism against Rome in which I greatly opposed every war after that has been only defensive in which we have been attacked

we as a nation never occupied and detroyed an entire nation like some nations, we have only embarked on one war of national imperialism against Rome in which I greatly opposed every war after that has been only defensive in which we have been attacked

We are occupying, we have "destroyed" (to the point where they will never recover).

well if u feel so strong about it Mr. Blackheart perhaps u would like to open a plesbite and if successful give bak the romans some of their lands

well if u feel so strong about it Mr. Blackheart perhaps u would like to open a plesbite and if successful give bak the romans some of their lands

You know, it's funny that once we've conquered someone there are still people who can't admit that we have conquered, what was it then, an act of self defense? And no, I do not want to give back lands that are already ours.

@ Ali and Blackheart, are we here to talk about trade issues? If yes, then stop this so we can concentrate on matters of trade, and not this personal fued.

@ Ali and Blackheart, are we here to talk about trade issues? If yes, then stop this so we can concentrate on matters of trade, and not this personal fued.

Yes we are, neither of us have gotten a response from Trade officials as of yet, so what better to pass the time? :mischief:

This is not the offical policy of the Trade Ministry (ie not Minister SaaM's final say), but it is my belief that we need only make trades that are clearly profitable trades - only money talks to me in this game. Gifting is, in my point of view, is essentially useless to us.

This is not the offical policy of the Trade Ministry (ie not Minister SaaM's final say), but it is my belief that we need only make trades that are clearly profitable trades - only money talks to me in this game. Gifting is, in my point of view, is essentially useless to us.

That's a perfectly understandable position for a Trade Ministry official to have. However, there are other considerations besides profit. We need to think about helping other nations as well as ourselves. The time for selfish profit is over.

We can get the Diplomatic Victory with this attitude, and with no warmongers, dominion or conquest, we have to suffer this game to 2050 thanks to you. Thank you very much.

We can get the Diplomatic Victory with this attitude, and with no warmongers, dominion or conquest, we have to suffer this game to 2050 thanks to you. Thank you very much.

Who are you thanking? :confused:

I can see it from Octavian X's POV. Charity has little place in capitalism, but I like to think of us as not pure capitalists, perhaps 30/70 socialist capitalist.

Yeah, you guys are free to drag this out till 2050, so see how many of us that will sweeten your journey.

We can get the Diplomatic Victory with this attitude, and with no warmongers, dominion or conquest, we have to suffer this game to 2050 thanks to you. Thank you very much.

I assume you mean can't...

How exactly is giving gifts to nations and refraining from stationing troops in their land bad diplomacy? Nations like to be treated nicely, that's what diplomacy is. And that's how we'll win the game diplomatically.

Yeah, you guys are free to drag this out till 2050, so see how many of us that will sweeten your journey.

I highly doubt we will go to 2050. If not conquering everyone means going to 2050, I don't know what you're smoking :lol:

Gentlemen, it the words of a great man
WRONG FORUM! (now where did that icon got to)

I will set up a discussion later tonight about trading steam for pure cash and doing other trades. Once I eat something.

Gentlemen, it the words of a great man
WRONG FORUM! (now where did that icon got to)

I will set up a discussion later tonight about trading steam for pure cash and doing other trades. Once I eat something.


Sorry about that, SaaM. It seems the pacifist vs. warmonger argument has been spilling into a lot of threads recently. :rolleyes:

Sorry about that, SaaM. It seems the pacifist vs. warmonger argument has been spilling into a lot of threads recently. :rolleyes:

And who says the game is getting boring? :mischief:

Heya Saamboy,

What do you reckon about getting Democracy?

Get me NATIONALISM , NOW

Japanatica is soon at war, and we got inferior troops. we can handle The Tugela Strike with Elite Samurais only , then we seriously need riflemen.

Get me NATIONALISM , NOW

Japanatica is soon at war, and we got inferior troops. we can handle The Tugela Strike with Elite Samurais only , then we seriously need riflemen.


An artist agrees with that motion. Here is his representation of a new Japanese Rifleman group following our calvary.
(1.8 megs)
Image (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/ct_japan_rifles.pcx)

And a version that's smaller in file size
Image (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/ct_japan_rifles.jpg)

Finally, we can wait for 2-3 turns, but then we should trade nationalism.

Get me NATIONALISM , NOW

Japanatica is soon at war, and we got inferior troops. we can handle The Tugela Strike with Elite Samurais only , then we seriously need riflemen.

My, aren't you a demander. Take this as a personal attack if you will, but you're the one who said we can easily handle the Zulu, we have the troops. We've got superior troops (cavalry), MSAV isn't using them.

As for Nationalism, nay I say, at least til the prices won't come back to bite us.

Well , I can wait for some time.

Morning all. I'm back @ home so I'll review the save later today.
and yeah, if nationalism isnt at a good price, I aint biting.