Welcome to the Term 4 Domestic Ministry. Errr... hi.

Objectives

-Encourage commercial growth in provinces by working with governors

-Encourage wonders by working with the Culture Ministry

-Update the military for a small yet advanced force by working with the Military Ministry

-Promote a revolution to Democracy, when not at war

-Balance the budget between income, science, and luxury by working with the Science Ministry, the Military Ministry, the Trade Ministry and the governors.

Reserved space.

All of this space is to belong to Zarn.

All of your Zarn are belong to BlackHeart.

People, I still need a deputy. The position is completely open at this time.

Minister Zarn,

Seeing as Domestic has jurisdiction over the naming of continents, do you plan on naming our continent (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=103106) and the other continent (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=103107) based on the suggestions in those two polls? It's certainly not a pressing matter, but I still think it would be a nice touch, especially given the fact that our involvement with the other continent continues to grow.


Respectfully,
Pope Ashburnham

Minister Zarn,
I would like to apply for Deputy of The Domestic Ministry starting November 1st.
Thank-You For your Consideration

Sorry Black_Hole, Donsig accepted the job. If there is anything in Domestic to do, or if I find a position in another ministry or in a province, I will let you know.

Minister Zarn,

Seeing as Domestic has jurisdiction over the naming of continents, do you plan on naming our continent (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=103106) and the other continent (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=103107) based on the suggestions in those two polls? It's certainly not a pressing matter, but I still think it would be a nice touch, especially given the fact that our involvement with the other continent continues to grow.


Respectfully,
Pope Ashburnham


Surely by now, the people know that their wish is my command. ;)

Sorry Black_Hole, Donsig accepted the job. If there is anything in Domestic to do, or if I find a position in another ministry or in a province, I will let you know.
Thanks anyway :D

Minister-Elect of Domestic Affairs,

With the imminent construction of the Forbidden Palace in Odawara, I request that you conduct a "Provincial Congress" (discussion thread) on realigning our Eastern Sectors per the effects of the FP and the upcomming War. It does not need to be done immediately, but I would like one started up around the time of the First Turnchat (around Wed, give or take.)

Honored Minister Zarn,

I was wondering if you have any plans to poll the switch of governments, there is overwhelming support for a change of government in this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=103283).

I'll poll anything that needs to be polled. Tell you what, I will give the options I was thinking of.

-Yes, lets revolt to Democracy
-Lets deal with the Iroqs (and any allies of Iroqs that may emerge) then revolt
-No, Long live the king
-Other
-Abstain

I think revolt to Republic should be added too.

I think revolt to Republic should be added too.

That would be a part of other, but I guess I can make it a seperate option.

Greetings Minister Zarn. I, the MoT come before you today with a simple request: I ask for mayorship of the city of Yatta. Yatta was the City of Veii, but due to the lucky chance that it was my turn on the city list, it has been renamed Yatta.
Being that it is my name city, I hereby request the title of Mayor of Yatta.

SaaM
MoT

Your request is granted.

Minister Zarn, congratulations on your victory.

Question: Will you be pushing the issue of using the Great Leader Knightmare to hurry the Forbidden Palace in Yadda? What plans do you have on this issue?

Zarn, should a new province spring out of the recently conquered Iroquois lands, I would like to be the governor of that province.

I back Chieftess in her request for governorship, and would at the same time ask her where she want her Naval HQ to be located at on the Eastcoast.

Chieftess
We should build 2 Frigates and 5 Galleons to get our navy ready, and you should consider what force composition you want for such a Marine Corps. Also consider this in build queues and so on, so we can use this navy in 30 turns or so.

In addition to the issue Cyc raised, (also talk to Provolution as the standing orders from Term 3 were to build a Samurai Army,)
as well as the issues of Provincial redistricting, (with Veii as a nexus instead of Odawara,)
and future Government Swaps,

I have the following items I would like for you to look into:

#1: Whether to Preapre a Settler for transfer to an area between Yatta, Salamanca, and Allegheny. Photo to be released later.
#2: Possible Rushing of the Temples of Salamanca (Preference, once the resistance ends there,) and Mauch Chunk (optional for Culture War, talk with Minister MOTH on the latter).
#3: I'm going to "try" ;) to pry the Zulu Worker out of the Infrastructure duties, so that it can be transfered to a City. Try to determine where it would best go.
#4: If First General Provolution permits, please Upgrade the Caravels to Galleons, please. Also, once reisitance in Salamanca is ended, upgrade the Horseman there to Calvery, again with Provo's permission.

We should rather build a cavalry army out of it, too late for a samurai army I already allocated to the new Imperial Commando lead by Grand Admiral Ali.

I request the MSAV upgrades for the following units

2 horsemen - 2 Cavalry , 100 gold each
Catapult - Cannon
5 Caravels - 5 Galleons
Veteran Pikemen - Musketeers, where you see fit

I hope this is a moderate request and it will not cost too much, consider that the disbanding of troops more than makes up for this.

I wouldn't advocate either way. It should be the people's decision.

Well, this should be discussed and polled as anything else :)

I have the following items I would like for you to look into:

#1: Whether to Preapre a Settler for transfer to an area between Yatta, Salamanca, and Allegheny. Photo to be released later.
#2: Possible Rushing of the Temples of Salamanca (Preference, once the resistance ends there,) and Mauch Chunk (optional for Culture War, talk with Minister MOTH on the latter).
#3: I'm going to "try" ;) to pry the Zulu Worker out of the Infrastructure duties, so that it can be transfered to a City. Try to determine where it would best go.
#4: If First General Provolution permits, please Upgrade the Caravels to Galleons, please. Also, once reisitance in Salamanca is ended, upgrade the Horseman there to Calvery, again with Provo's permission.

1- Can I get a screenshot soon? I don't know what location you are looking at.

2 and 4- Budget stuff, can you post that in the Budget thread for discussion, please

3- Possibly Yatta. I would prefer somewhere in the Southeast. The decision is ultimately yours.

Minister Zarn,
I would like to direct your attention to the Budget thread. There are some proposals and requests there and your opinion would be invaluable.

#1. Oops... looked too much into the Iroq war... Anyway, the possible site is in colored Red, since we won't be taking Allegheny. Debate for TC #2 on Monday.

Speaking of which, TC #1 is 17 Hours from start. Pleasde post instructions soon.

I believe two tiles South of Pisae would make a much better city location. It would not interfere with other cities as mush because there are more unused tiles there. Why do we want to take tiles from Yatta and Salamanca?

It's more in the interest of nabbing a Bonus Resource than grabbing more land. And also pushing the Iro borders. ;)

Anyway, perhhaps the Minister can make a separate Settler Discussion thread tommorow? (I'll probbaly attach a picture next time ;) )

It's more in the interest of nabbing a Bonus Resource than grabbing more land. And also pushing the Iro borders. ;)

Anyway, perhhaps the Minister can make a separate Settler Discussion thread tommorow? (I'll probbaly attach a picture next time ;) )
I wasn't worried about grabbing more land, ;) I suggested another location so that city wouldn't impede on the borders of Yatta and Salamanca.

Curse the Iroquois and their poor city placement skills!

I think Zarn appointed me Domestic Deputy so I thought I'd post a few screenies while I had time. Enjoy. :)

Here are the Domestic Advisor screens, sorted by commerce (descending order).

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DGVDM4A1.JPG

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DGVDMA2.JPG

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DGVDM4A3.JPG

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DGVDM4A4.JPG

We have Smiths and Wall Street. A Forbidden Palace will boost our finances (and productivity) even more. We are currently devoting all of our energies to scientific research that we can. Here is a look at our current finances.

Our income is 917 gpt:
701 gpt (76.4%) from cities
2 gpt (0.2%) from taxmen
164 gpt (17.9%) from other civs
50 gpt (5.5%) from interest


Our expentidures are 917 gpt (including surplus):
444 gpt (48.4%) on science research
215 gpt (23.4%) lost to curruption
142 gpt (15.5%) for city building maintenance
49 gpt (5.3%) for military upkeep
67 gpt (7.3%) surplus to treasury
0 gpt (0.1%) pocketed by donsig


The treasury currently stands at 2223 gp.

Current trade deals and expirations:

France:
+45 gpt for ?, 1 turn left
+52 gpt for gems, 16 turns left


China:
+53 gpt for ?, 4 turns left
+13 gpt for silks, 16 turns left


America:
+1 gpt for ?, 9 turns left

So, we'll lose 45 gpt (27.4% of our income from other civs) in one turn.
Another 53 gpt (32.3%) will be gone in four turns.

That will bring our income from other civs down 98 gpt (almost 60%) to 66 gpt.

Since our current surplus is only 67 gpt we will be running a deficit of 31 gpt when the Chinese payments cease in 4 turns. (Unless new deals are struck to replace the lost income.)

I'm going to look to see if any markets or banks (as possible builds) can take up some of the burden, but we may have to cut back.

Edit: If we cannot secure more from trade, the budget must be brought back 2-8-0 or even 3-7-0. The governors must stop producing military units and start building markets/ banks as they would be more useful when 20% or 30% of the income goes to improvement maintainence, military, and income.

Although we may get further trade deals, we must always prepare to have no income from foreign nations.

Edit 2: Check the first post of the Budget thread, Donsig. You have another position as well as deputy.

:salute: Excellent work, Donsig. You should've run against me in Term 3 ;)

:salute: Excellent work, Donsig. You should've run against me in Term 3 ;)

Thanks for the compliment. I was too busy last month. I haven't run for domestic advisor since DG1. Did run for science advaro back in DG2 but lost to Strider after two run-off elections. Guess I'm spoiled now-a-days and will only run for president. ;)

Who sets the sliders? Once upon a time the Seante did that but I'm not even sure if we have one of those now. :confused:

Domestic sets the sliders now.

Domestic sets the sliders now.

Ahh, just like in olden times. Thanks, CT.

Minister Zarn, in four turns we'll be running a deficit unless we close other deals by then. I have no clue how citizens feel about deficits. I know time is short but I think this issue should be addressed (one way or another) in your instructions for the upcoming game play session. Contingent intructions may be in order since our department may not know what the trade department decides any time soon. Does Domestic have anything already in place for the sliders? Anything similar to MSAV's Doctrines? I'm really at a loss to know how the previous domestic miniters have handled the sliders. I'd also like to hear your views on the deficit/surplus versus maximum science rate issue.

Ahh, just like in olden times. Thanks, CT.

Minister Zarn, in four turns we'll be running a deficit unless we close other deals by then. I have no clue how citizens feel about deficits. I know time is short but I think this issue should be addressed (one way or another) in your instructions for the upcoming game play session. Contingent intructions may be in order since our department may not know what the trade department decides any time soon. Does Domestic have anything already in place for the sliders? Anything similar to MSAV's Doctrines? I'm really at a loss to know how the previous domestic miniters have handled the sliders. I'd also like to hear your views on the deficit/surplus versus maximum science rate issue.

I already stated it earlier in the thread. ;)

The budget, as you know, is 10% Tax and 90% Science.

It can be made to 20% or 30% tax, without the in game Science Minister becoming discontent. Check the slider yourself and look at the science screen at 20% and 30%. He should still be happy about it.

It's too bad we won't hit a representative government sooner as there would be alot more income. In the meantime, we should discourage a large military. We don't want to have to pay for it, when we do switch.

Minister Zarn,

Yes, I see now that you mentioned the sliders in an earlier post. Didn't see that earlier. Perhaps you edited after I read that post. I still suggest that you include appropriate wording in the instructions to cover the possibilities.

Personally, I think we should keep the science rate up in order to get steam power in six turns despite the possible deficit.

I also noticed your other edit instructing me to look at the first post of the Budget thread. I have done so and am now aware of my duties. (And a title, too!) I don't think there are any formal budget requests that need polling. I'm assuming the older posts have already been done for TC#1. If I'm missing something there please let me know. (I'm new at this working deputy concept after all! ;) ) There are now less than 48 hours to TC#2 and I don't think we can get up a proper 2 day poll at this point anyway. I would like yo know what format should be used in future for these budget polls. Are you going to list which should be polled or are we polling all requests? Should I use multiple choice polls (or whatever they're called)? Should the polls be public or private? How long should the polls run? What do we do with hanging chads? It's your ministry so I need feedback on how you'd like this to be done.

Thanks for your time,
deputy donsig

PS: Can we poll whether to keep the science rate up so we'll get steam power in six turns?

Minister Zarn,

Yes, I see now that you mentioned the sliders in an earlier post. Didn't see that earlier. Perhaps you edited after I read that post. I still suggest that you include appropriate wording in the instructions to cover the possibilities.

Personally, I think we should keep the science rate up in order to get steam power in six turns despite the possible deficit.

I also noticed your other edit instructing me to look at the first post of the Budget thread. I have done so and am now aware of my duties. (And a title, too!) I don't think there are any formal budget requests that need polling. I'm assuming the older posts have already been done for TC#1. If I'm missing something there please let me know. (I'm new at this working deputy concept after all! ;) ) There are now less than 48 hours to TC#2 and I don't think we can get up a proper 2 day poll at this point anyway. I would like yo know what format should be used in future for these budget polls. Are you going to list which should be polled or are we polling all requests? Should I use multiple choice polls (or whatever they're called)? Should the polls be public or private? How long should the polls run? What do we do with hanging chads? It's your ministry so I need feedback on how you'd like this to be done.

Thanks for your time,
deputy donsig

PS: Can we poll whether to keep the science rate up so we'll get steam power in six turns?

We can poll anything we want or not poll anything at all. If Culture puts up a poll for a rush request, and 50%+ citizens approve, you shouldn't have to repoll it. However, if a minister makes a request, you are more than welcome to poll it. We just have to make sure not too many things pass, or we are broke.

Polls last to the start of a chat not 48 hours. We haven't gotten any requests regarding rushes, either. As for the slider, we should stay in the positives for four reasons.

1) We still need money to rush and upgrade as there is alot of upgrading around this part of the tech tree and improvements to be made.

2) If our budget hits below 1000, then we suffer from a greater deficit.

3) Also, the military isn't shrinking too much and some governors are still building units and workers (workers being justified, IMO).

4) Funding is still high, considering the Science advisor in the game. To him, we would still be generous with funding.

I agree with your reasons for staying positive but suggest there may be times we want to run a small deficit. Remember we can usually lower the science rate when we're one turn from a tech and recoup some or all of the deficit we run up getting there. I mention this to remind the Minister to allow (in the posted instructions) for the one-turn-away-grab-the-gold adjustment by the DP.

As for getting steam power in six turns, we will not have a deficit if we make the deal with Joan. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. :)

We have Smiths and Wall Street. A Forbidden Palace will boost our finances (and productivity) even more. We are currently devoting all of our energies to scientific research that we can. Here is a look at our current finances.

Our income is 997 gpt:
747 gpt (74.9%) from cities
2 gpt (0.2%) from taxmen
198 gpt (19.9%) from other civs
50 gpt (5.0%) from interest


Our expentidures are 997 gpt (including surplus):
420 gpt (42.1%) on science research
230 gpt (23.1%) lost to curruption
151 gpt (15.1%) for city building maintenance
40 gpt (4.0%) for military upkeep
156 gpt (15.6%) surplus to treasury
0 gpt (0.1%) pocketed by donsig


The treasury currently stands at 2970 gp.

Summary and trends:

Starting with the bottom line, our treasury increased 747 gp at an effective rate of 186.75 gpt. While our surplus has increased it cannot account entirely for the increase. Low spending helped by an infusion of gold from trades helped fill our coffers. (Iroquoian plunder may also have played a part.)

Trades have also helped to fatten the regular surplus. Our balance of payments to other civs is up 34 gpt, an increase of over 20%.

Our cities continue to increase revenues as well. Gross revenue is up 46 gpt. The net increase after corruption and additional maintenance is 22 gpt. This is a 6.4% increase.

Military support costs are down 9 gpt, an 18.4% decrease.

Excellent thread :)

I now see that the DA under Zarn and Dosnig is very well organized, reports well and conducts as a premier ministry. I am very satisfied. I am also very interested in keeping our defense costs down, and thus add to the balance of the budget. I see that the cost has been ut drastically, this is jointly due to the free units of monarchy per city, and jointly to the new conquered cities, military losses and disbands.

MSAV wants a professional army, which means regular spearmen will not be upgraded.
We will soon have nationalism, which means in dire crisis, we may draft the needed men in numbers if we are attacked in force from overseas. However, we will maintain small professional armies on the Babylonian, Zulu and French borders, in order to ascertain our doctrines. Our Northern and Southern corruption levels prove that we may not benefit from further expansion north, unless we move our capital Northwards, due to corruption levels. However, we will have an Imperial Commando and a Navy and a Marine Corps, and that is the reason we downgrade as much as we can in order for us to diversify and modernize our force composition.

Anyways, a doctrinal solution to our military planning will also create a better planning environment for the nation, as we can build only the forces need to do a certain job.
We would have some military, but not enough to go on the rampage. This makes economic planning more fruitful, and we can soon even create a military sub-budget here.

There's a typo in your instructions. Grumpypuss gets the harbor and Kagemusha gets the courthouse

Thanks for pointing that out. I looked at the save, crunched numbers, and even counted the number of vet pikes, yet I switched those two city rushes. Go figure.

Instead of taking the time to build new units, wouldn't upgrading older ones be more cost effective?

Why should send our great soldiers into dark corners because they are old fashioned? Upgrade and keep them!

Minister Zarn,

As the power of the purse for this term, I wish for you to participate in the discussion in this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=104831), in preparation for the Emergency Turnchat Tuesday Evening.

Zarn,

I would like to have funding for establishing embassies in the following civs, Russia and China. I would also like to ask for funding for the investigation for Tenochtitalen, Aztec.

MINISTER ZARN put up that poll on Republic please, I saw no voices against :)
ASAP I hope :)

Honorable Minister Zarn,
As a citizen I would like to request that you start polling on the subject of settling near Russia's coal in the great jungle. Some limited discussion of this matter can be found in this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=104900). My count of the opinions expressed were 4 in favor and 3 against (with some wishy-washy-ness expressed on both sides). I personally could not view this as an indicator of the WOTP, thus I request the poll.

If there is other doctrine, policy, or discussion that covers this type of settlement then I must have overlooked it.

Thanks - Citizen MOTH

Minister Zarn and Deputy Minister donsig,

The discovery of Industrialization has taken us to the beginning of a new era. How aggressive do you plan to be towards the rushing of Factories in cities? What criteria will be considered for those rushes?

Thanks,
-- Ravensfire

Minister Zarn,

Our science is starting to slow down. With the increased income, are you planning to sustain maximum science without incurring negative GPT? I would like to project our scientific discoveries

Moth: I have my doubts of such a measure passing, but you are right that is must be polled.

Ravenfire: The Ministry of Domestic Affairs will accept all factory rush requests. If requested in time, each request will be polled to determine a rush. If not requested in time, it will have to wait for the next chat.

Civman: Science will always be maxed with Gpt above -1, unless luxury needs to be raised. Any concerns brought about with science would be due to a lack of libraries and universities.

Minister Zarn, I would like you to investigate the possibility of settling a City on the marked hills SW of Salzburg in the picture below:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Heidel.JPG

I have tried to make some discussion on this in Provo's thread on MPPs, link (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=104846).

As a rider to that, would be 116 Gold to rush a Temple at that Town the turn after it is founded.

The findings I do not think are required for this TC. However, we would likely need them for the Thanksgiving TC.


In other business, I have petitioned the Budget Office to Rush the Temple of Tonawanda.

Minister, I thank you for approving the setting asside of "Temple Cash".

Now, I have a question. If we get Democracy in a trade, would we automatically switch?

Minister, I thank you for approving the setting asside of "Temple Cash".

Now, I have a question. If we get Democracy in a trade, would we automatically switch?

We will have to poll it.