I am creating a budget office for budgets requests to organize the budget more efficiently. It is only effective, while I am the Minister of Domestic Affairs.

This is NOT the Discussion thread for the Domestic Ministry. This is for budget discussion only!

-The Budget Office is under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Domestic Affairs.

-Budget requests are made here

-Budget negotiations are made here

-The Ministry of Domestic Affairs holds the the right to make the decision of what to accept

-The decision made from the Ministry of Domestic Affairs is then put into a poll to determine the WOTP by the Deputy of Domestic Affairs. If there is no deputy, the Minister of Domestic Affairs posts the poll.

-The Deputy of Domestic Affairs receives the title: Minister of Finances

Note: When you make requests and negotiate, be sure to include costs.

Note: The Minister of Finance may have a larger role in the future.

Minister Zarn,
Depending on the outcomes of several polls (including some of MSAVs and others) I expect to request as many as 9 rushes of improvements in the recently conquered cities. I am unable to access the save right now, so am am not able to provide costs at this time. I will update this post later this evening once can access the save.

I have requested that Minister Provolution visit this thread and provide some analysis of how many and of what type of unit are available for disbanding for shields in these areas. This will also have some bearing on the cost.

The potential rushes that may be requested are:

What Where Cost Unit Disband
------------- ------------- -------- -----------------
Temple Cattaraugus 104g per MSAV
Temple Cumae 112g per MSAV
Temple Mauch Chunk 92g per MSAV
Temple Pisae 100g per MSAV
Temple Yatta 88g per MSAV
Courthouse Yatta 320g base per MSAV
Temple Salamanca 116g per MSAV
Library Salamanca 320g base per MSAV
Cathedral Salamanca 320g base per MSAV


Thanks - MOTH

edited to include costs. Base cost assumes that we will not rush with 0 shields.

Edited for recommended rushes and overall cost:
Minister Zarn, I would like to request the following budget outlays:
As much as 924 Gold to help rebuild the war torn lands in the south and to prepare to build the Forbidden Palace.
Turn 0: 496 Gold to rush temples in Cattaraugus, Cumae, Mauch Chunk, Pisae, and Yatta
Turn 2: 316 Gold to rush a Courthouse in Yatta.
As soon as resistence is ended in Salamanca: up to 112G to rush a temple.
As it appears that the war with the Iroquois will last at least several more turns I do not expect that the MSAV will be able to allocate any units to be disbanded for shields.

MSAV UPGRADES

I would like to ask for a military upgrading budget worth 1500 gold, and see how much you can upgrade

REQUIRED

1. 2 VETERAN HORSEMEN UNITS UPGRADED TO CAVALRY

2. 1 REMAINING CATAPULT TO CANNON

3. 4 CARAVELS TO GALLEONS

OPTIONAL, BUT NOT REQUIRED

VETERAN PIKEMEN TO MUSKETS (please see what you can afford)

VETERAN SPEARMEN TO MUSKETS (Please see what you can afford)

Could we have our current gold levels and an estimate of what is spendable for reference from the Budget Office please?

Treasury: 3186
GPT: 13
Projected Money Spent: 2180
Projected Treasury after Rushing/ Upgrading: 1006

Rushes Accepted: 1060 gold

Cumae: Temple
Mauch Chunk: Temple
Pisae: Temple
Salamanca: Temple
Salamanca: Library
Yatta: Court

Upgrades Accepted: 1120 gold

2 Horse ---> Cavalry (200)
1 Catapult ---> Cannon (40)
4 Caravel ---> Galleon (160)
12 Pike ---> Musket (720)

Due to a little thing called the US presidental election, it was hard to get a budget together for a poll. Therefore, anyone with a problem should say so in this thread.

Rushes accepted can be done at any time during the chat according to the will of the Culture and Defense ministries.

MSAV revision of budget proposal of 1260 gold

Excuse me Zarn, there is one more Galleon to be upgraded, so please allow for 40 gold more, take it from Pikemen if needed. DO NOT UPGRADE SPEARS, These are regulars and must be phased out for building new musket veterans.

This means, you save 560 gold on spearmen, but need to allocate 40 gold more on a Caravel. There are now 5 , ot 4 caravels in total.

MSAV revision of budget proposal of 1260 gold

Excuse me Zarn, there is one more Galleon to be upgraded, so please allow for 40 gold more, take it from Pikemen if needed. DO NOT UPGRADE SPEARS, These are regulars and must be phased out for building new musket veterans.

This means, you save 560 gold on spearmen, but need to allocate 40 gold more on a Caravel. There are now 5 , ot 4 caravels in total.

I noticed. You may choose to upgrade the extra caravel rather than upgrade one of the pikes.

Minister Zarn

I agree 100 %. We need to stay over 1000 gold to get the 50 gold interest of Wall Street, but I would just add in the Galleon upgrade in turn 3, as a Revised Budget based on future earnings.

Okay then. I'll post instructions, later. Make sure to include when to upgrade and such in your post in the turn chat thread.

In loyalty to the cultural office, I ordered 4 Veteran Swordsmen to Yatta for disbands and
1 Veteran Swordsman to Pisae for disbands, this will accelerate growth of temples and courthouses there and save gold. Please allocate some saved gold from that for a rush buy of courthouse in Kagemusha after I have disbanded 2 warriors and a spearman within turn 4, and then rush buy barracks after a couple of more spearman disbands in turn 8-9.

Minister Zarn,
I don't know if there is time to approve this, but TimBently makes an excellent point that Yatta needs a temple in order to expand its radius to get Game. I have removed my request in my instructions for the Library in Salamanca and added back in the Temple with a Sword disband to aid the rush.

Budget request for Term 4 TC #2:
Honorable Ministers,
I noticed Minister Provolution's and Minister Zarn's posts in the governor's threads about keeping the budget in mind and not building Calvalry units. I would like to suggest that Cavalry units be considered as a budget resource. I think we should continue to be build Cavs in those core cities with nothing better to build except for wealth. These units can be quickly moved to the corrupt fringes where they can be disbanded for 20 shields each. Most of these core cities build Cavs in 4 or 5 turns at a cost of 80 shields. These disbands can be used to disband-rush improvements to help the happiness and culture of our country in areas where it would take a long time to manually construct.

Even improvements on the fringe cost money. The only city I am concerned about is Yatta. The Roman province costs alot of money as it is right now. This thread is for requests such as rush this or upgrade that. :p

Turn Chat #2 budget requests:
These are really carry over from turn chat #1 as they were not executed in the 4 turns of the chat. Each was polled and recieved at least 50% of the non-abstain vote (admittedly with a small number of people voting).

Yatta turn 0: rush Courthouse cost 244 g.
Yatta turn 1 or 2: rush a temple. Turn 1 is any Swords are available for disbanding. Cost - as much as 116g.

Edited to include costs.

Governor Blackheart has put in a request to have the spearmen defending Furuyama upgraded to musketman. I am forwarding this request as it is a minor request and the garrison does need upgrading.

Minister Zarn, your instructions say to upgrade the Spear at Zojoji. If you meant Furuyama, then please correct.

I had the right city in mind but the wrong name.

Overruled MSAV Cyc, noregular spearman will be upgraded, but disbanded.
I sent a musketman from Furuyama to do the job, and disband the spearmen in the Northern border towns (pimarily Kagemusha, presently 95 % corruption).

So no more whining about spearmen, they are soon part of history, the same applies to regular units. Only veterans and elites from now on. This is the only way we can have a small and competent elite force. Blackheart, I am not going to argue this too with you, let it be and let it go.

Honorable Domestic Minister Zarn and Finance Minister Donsig

MSAV has in its final request for the finalization of military reform calculated the need to upgrade:

1 catapult in Kagemusha to cannon
8 Pikemen to Musketmen
Caravel to Oil Springs to Galleon

and for the pure defense plan of the North (France) we need to dig in Grumpypuss and Kagemusha to be safe for attacks, nothing more.
So please rush Courthouse and Harbor in Kagemusha and Grumpypuss after next disbands.

By the way, I added 3 swordsman disbands for Wakashio (former Pisae) and 6 Spearmen disbands for Kagemusha. I let three elite swordsmen hold Salamanca.

Honorable Domestic Minister Zarn and Finance Minister Donsig

MSAV has in its final request for the finalization of military reform calculated the need to upgrade:

1 catapult in Kagemusha to cannon
8 Pikemen to Musketmen
Caravel to Oil Springs to Galleon

and for the pure defense plan of the North (France) we need to dig in Grumpypuss and Kagemusha to be safe for attacks, nothing more.
So please rush Courthouse and Harbor in Kagemusha and Grumpypuss after next disbands.

By the way, I added 3 swordsman disbands for Wakashio (former Pisae) and 6 Spearmen disbands for Kagemusha. I let three elite swordsmen hold Salamanca.

Okay, I'll look into it. I wish you would have given me more time for this, so WOTP can come into play.

I think most people agree on our military reforms already, but you are right, I should have presented this sooner. Still, this is just the final wrap up, and MSAV gave some disbands back to the people, notably in the development of Yatta and Wakashio, as well as Kagemusha and Grumpypuss.

Deputy Donsig,

As an adjunct in charge of keeping the books, I wish for you to participate in the discussion in this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=104831), in preparation for the Emergency Turnchat Tuesday Evening.

Minister Zarn and Donsig

We are to get Nationalism within a very brief time. This means, we would need to upgrade all musketmen to riflemen, that will cost 60X40= 2400 Gold.

When we get Replaceable Parts, that will be even more expensive, as we need to upgrade riflemen to infantry, 60X40 and cannons to artillery 60X10, which would cost us a total of 3000 Gold. So please target financial planning for the time we research Nationalism and Replaceable parts, as our military gets obsolete.

If you add naval upgrades, we may land at closer to 6000 Gold in total.

Honorable Ministers,
I have 3 budget requests for the upcoming emergency turnchat and/or the next scheduled turnchat. There are polls running on each of these; at present time each has a favorable chance of passing.

1. Investigation of Akkad to gain accurate culture assessment - 24g estimated cost
2. Investigation of Tenochtitlan to assess danger of 20K win - 158g (?) estimated cost
3. Rush of Colosseum in Epolenep in 1 turn - 444g estimated cost.

Footnote: I don't have the save open so I could not confirm these costs. I also run PTW so my cost estimates could be off by a bit.

What is our current budget situation - including current cash and any confirmed, planned expenditures in the near future?

Thanks!
-- Ravensfire

I have a Rush Request.

Our Southern City of Tonawanda has been overlooked. We are still 14 (give or take) turns away from completing a Temple there.

I would like the Office to rush this Temple.

I have two rush requests.

Grumpypuss' courthouse is due in 70 turns; I would like it to be rushed for 280 gold. I expect this to immediately raise the gold production from 1 to 3 gold per turn.

Kagemusha's aqueduct is due in 34 turns. It would require 800 gold to rush it now; I would like it to be rushed in one turn for 384 gold (based on my laborer reallocation there). The extra citizens would raise gold and shield production.

I have a Rush Request.

Our Southern City of Tonawanda has been overlooked. We are still 14 (give or take) turns away from completing a Temple there.

I would like the Office to rush this Temple.

I agree with this rush request. I have also posted in the Hai Rando thread that Tonawanda should be part of GA's orders.

I would like to request that 1000 gold be set aside for a Foreign aid fund
thank you
regards ali

What is our current budget situation - including current cash and any confirmed, planned expenditures in the near future?

Thanks!
-- Ravensfire

3585g

+137 per turn (whenbudget is 2.8.0)

Expense requests are being polled.

I would like to request that 1000 gold be set aside for a Foreign aid fund
thank you
regards ali

I'll set aside 600 gold for now. We just hit the Industrial Age, and we may need the money.

The min. for our budget is now 1600 gold. The use for the 600 gold must be polled, while I am in office.

Thank you very much can i add 25 gpt to that previous request
regards ali

Thank you very much can i add 25 gpt to that previous request
regards ali

No, there is no need for more money for your fund, as of this moment.

No, there is no need for more money for your fund, as of this moment.

Isn't any kind of funds for international aid supposed to come from FA, not MSAV?

Isn't any kind of funds for international aid supposed to come from FA, not MSAV?

I see no problem in allowing the Department of Defense making a request. The Department of Foriegn Affairs will be involved with the use of funds.

It is still really the jurisdiction of Domestic Affairs, anyway. Besides, like I said, it will be polled.

I see no problem in allowing the Department of Defense making a request. The Department of Foriegn Affairs will be involved with the use of funds.

It is still really the jurisdiction of Domestic Affairs, anyway. Besides, like I said, it will be polled.

In that case, I request that we give the Romans 50g, and the Iroquois 50g to better ease the suffering of their people. All of this from the international aid fund of course.

I think the 600 gold should be aimed at giving the Romans these funds

I want to suggest to consider rushing Courthouse in Izanaga city on the east coast! Courthouse has been being built since we conquered the city, rushing it would be big step forward due to high corruption.

Minister of Finnance:

I Request that 240 Gold be set aside for "Frontier" Temple Rushes. Namely, in "Coal City" and another outpost I'm eying...

240g is set aside for now. The minimun is now, 1840g.

The Foreign Aid fund will have a discussion in the Citizens forum.

Invy, please give me the cost of the court.

This will be my last request this term. Please rush aqueduct in Kagemusha, as a lot of activity will take place on that border for future reference.

The Governor of Hairando would like to suggest the following: rush a library (3 culture points) in Tonawanda. This will let us expand in 13 turns if we do it right away (256 gold out of our 4892 treasury), instead of expanding in 33 turns! You can poll it if you'd like.

Thank you.

Can I get a figure on that aqueduct?