*** GAME STARTED ***

Hi, this is the thread for the new Napoleonic PBEM aimed at newbees !


"Nelson" was a a famous English admiral (Abukir for instance).

It is for Conquests, using the MP version of the Napoleonic scenario and the patch 1.22.
So you need to have both Conquests and the patch 1.22 installed on your computer.

Civs will be attributed randomly (but you can state your preferences).

Austria
England and allies (Italy, Portugal and Netherlands)
France and allies (Denmark)
Ottomans
Prussia AI
Russia
Spain AI
Sweden AI


Players : 5 (Sweden, Prussia and Spain are played by AI).

1. punkbass2000 (Russia)
2. James I (English)
3. sparhawk_59 (France)
4. Yamamoto (Austria) (replaces brachra)
5. WarningU2 (Ottomans)
6. AI- Spain
7. AI - Prussia
8. AI : Sweden



You want to be in ? You have further questions ? Post in this thread or send me a PM. If ready to join, send me a PM with your e-mail.

Organization : the game will be called "Nelson" to be recognizable and when you get the game, send a mail to inform the sender you got it.

SPECIAL RULES AND OPTIONS

Razing is not allowed since there are no settlers.

Treachery and change of alliances were common during that period (think of Saxony that turned from ally to opponent to Napoleon within the very battle of Leipzig) so an active diplo and alliance breaking should not be considered evil in this PBEM (as a victim you can still be unhappy and complain though) !

I'm in. I prefer not France, I think. I don't really know this conquest but I hear it's well balanced.

EDIT: I would prefer Russia.

I'd like to be England.

I will see if i can get my friend interested...... He likes ther French, so maybe them....i'll get back to you

I'm in, this is Sparhawk - James I's friend, he's right, the French would suit me fine!

i,ll play,, do i have to own Conquests? i own PTW..can i still play
if so
my email is

Brachra10@hotmail.com
and i would like to be Known as Brachra
and I wanna be the americans
Thanks :D
EDIT: i do own Conquests But its not installed, IF i need it, i will install so i can play

RE-EDIT----I am installling conquests, I would like to be DENMARK :D thanks
and i am patching my game too

replying to brachra - sorry i forgot to quote the original post

Unless I'm mistaken Denmark would be played by the French - if James I gets the English & I get the French, that would leave the Austrians or Ottomans to choose from as punkbass2000 is the Russians, :) looking forward to the game , good luck to us all :thumbsup:

@ brachra : you should have read the post carefully.

It is for conquests, not PTW and it is the Napoleonic conquest so no Americans.
It is the MP version (8 civs only) so no Danish as they are played by French and have already been selected.

Patch 1.22 absolutely necessary for everyone.

If there is a spot still available please include me.

Sure.

Brachra and Warning u2, please state your civ preferences between Austria and Ottomans. First to answer, first to choose !

Hi, this is the thread for the new Napoleonic PBEM aimed at newbees ! (part of a larger post)

Civs will be attributed randomly (but you can state your preferences).

Treachery and change of alliances were common during that period (think of Saxony that turned from ally to opponent to Napoleon within the very battle of Leipzig) so an active diplo and alliance breaking should not be considered evil in this PBEM (as a victim you can still be unhappy and complain though) !


So the locked alliance system is disabled? or is it still structured basically as it is in single player scenario? I figure the allocation of the usual allied states as a direct part of your empire might alter this somewhat if it still exists...

Sent a mail to brachra and WarningU2 as they still haven't told me about their civ preferences.

When they have confirmed, I will send the organization e-mail and the modified game to sparhawk as he will start the game as France (IIRC).

So the locked alliance system is disabled? or is it still structured basically as it is in single player scenario? I figure the allocation of the usual allied states as a direct part of your empire might alter this somewhat if it still exists...


Since they can only be 8 civs in MP (humans and even AI), the locked alliances are replaced by direct ownership.

So England has Portugal, Italy and Netherlands while France owns Denmark.
The rest of the map is globally unchanged.

Ottomons good for me ... ready to start when you are.

C'mon brachra, we are all keen to kick off.... :p

At first I didn't understand the no razing / abandoning rule however now that I see the reason (no settlers) makes sense.

Has it started ?

Punkbass : did you encounter any pb ?

Not quite sure what you're asking, unless 'pb' means 'problem', perhaps? But yes, I'm trying to conduct trades with a couple players and am not getting responses. Particularly I want to trade lux/lux with Brachra (Ottomans) and feel I can't really play my turn without knowing whether I'm going to have various luxuries. Also, trade takes long enough as it is in MP and I don't want excessive turns added to when a deal should become active either. Sorry for the delay.

EDIT: I've tried both e-mail and PM, BTW. ASsuming they're only not responding because they haven't received their messages suggests that even if I begun the game it still wouldn't have moved along anyway.

Just confirming i'm still an active player

use aragorn_90210@yahoo.com for game proposals etc

P.s i have a themed avatar! :D

Am I in this game as Ottomons or is the other player Bracha playing ?

I have not received any email requesting trade ?

Please someone confirm my spot in this game

Oops, thought Brachra was Ottomans. My bad. :o

Who has the turn right now ?

I have it and there's seems to be a problem: My production phase (etc.) completes immediately when I start the game. All my cities have produced one turn of shields, I've lost 52 gold (as per my start placement 5.5.0 which leaves me at -52gpt) and I have one turn or research towards nationalism, as well as other similarities. This isn't how it's supposed to be, is it? I know the single player version isn't, anyway.

Think that is normal. LouLong is the person to ask

No response from LL. Game started regardless and off to sparhawk.

Punkbass, real sorry for the delay.
That happens when one runs too many rabbits (French for doing too many things at the same time). Saw your post, needed to do something else before then it kind of got lost in the crowd.
Sorry for that, usually I stick around until it is really launched.

About the issue, I have checked but don't really know what the problem is. Usually it is linked to the use of the skip first turn flag.
It should not be linked to the change of play order so I am at a loss here.

Well, if everyone gets the same 'bonus' (though I feel losing 52 gold off the bat is a disadvantage:gripe: ) it shouldn't be a huge problem, I hope.

Are we moving yet? I'm looking forward to this game....and i'd like to start sooner rather than later, lol

Yes, we have started though I don't know whether a restart is in order.

I phoned Sparhawk..... It seems he should have his turn done in the next 2 days- he just had to sort out some modem issues or something (being fixed now apparently)

I'm sure he'll let you know once he has had his turn.

I've received the game from Sparhawk just this morning.... should be able to finish it tonight and keep the wheels turning.

:goodjob:

Is Brachra able to play this game? I see he asked a question about using PTW and unless I'm mistaken he hasn't confirmed since then, if he's able to. It seems this game is very close to dying unless we get it kicked up a notch. Nearly a week started and I haven't even received the first turn !

Brachra are you able to play or do we need a sub ?

It is moving.....I'm just at work and can't have my turn at present!

It is a concern about the availability of Brachra............Hopefully we can have some answers soon........ :mad: :confused: :eek:

What are we doing with regards to turn logs/descriptions???

Played, saved and sent to Warningu2 on the email addy from his website link.

Let me know if you need it sent elsewhere.

Are we posting combat results?

James I

The email address is warningu2@cogeco.ca

The turn you sent to me did not include an attachment

Is Brachra in this game ? Just wondering why you sent me the file

WarningU2, did you get the planning phase mail ?
If not I can resend it to you.

James is playing before you and brachra after you so it is normal you get the save (provided it is attached ! of course) then you send it to brachra.

The email address is warningu2@cogeco.ca

The turn you sent to me did not include an attachment

Is Brachra in this game ? Just wondering why you sent me the file


I'll try it again.... It looked as though it worked, but i saved it (the email) as a draft so that might have removed the attachment.......i'll resend asap.

I originally thought the same as you, but it told me to send it to you at end of my turn.

apologies for the delay.

If we haven't heard from brachra soon, are we going to start advertising for a replacement player?????

I have not received any email from James I since the posting.

I have not received the game setup email listing the order of play.

I was basing the order of play on the order listed at the start of this thread.

Sorry mate, i can access the forums from here at work, but i don't have the save game file here. I will send the save file to you again in 3 hrs from now. I apologise, but this is the soonest possible time i can get home.

Hang in there! :goodjob:

No problem ... I have the same situation while at work.

I misunderstood from your post that I should have received the turn and since I didn't and I have SOOOO looked forward to actually seeing this game ...

So I should be sending this to the mystery brachra ... someone care to share his email address with me ?

[QUOTE=WarningU2]No problem ... I have the same situation while at work.

I misunderstood from your post that I should have received the turn and since I didn't and I have SOOOO looked forward to actually seeing this game ... [ENDQUOTE]

It feels like it will be a lot of fun.... I have just re-sent it to your requested address- it shows it as a 223kb attachment- so i'm fairly sure it has worked this time.

Enjoy the game, and i believe we have to make a decision about Brachra- BRACHRA- speak now or forfeit your place!!!!!

:( :sad:

After weeks of eager anticipation the turn arrives ... yeeha

I have played and sent onto Austrians (Brachra)

Brachra got the wrong save (asked for Ottomans password). Backtracking.

fixed fixedfixedfixedfixedfixedfixed

so is brachra around is he?

Yeah. He played a turn as the Ottos and sent me the Austrian save :)

So it looks like it is rolling eventually ! Second turn, right ?

Will be when I get it...

Yeah. He played a turn as the Ottos and sent me the Austrian save :)

don't you have it now?

Have what, the save? I do now, but not before. I was out from around 11am EST today and just got back. Will play and send in the reasonably near future.

Sentiment.

Just letting you know punkbass, if it's possible can you get the save to me in the next 8 hours? i will going away for 3 days in 10.5 hours and will not have access to a pc with c3c on it so will be unable to play turn for 3 days if it gets to me after this. if you can't that's ok , and my apologies in advance to everyone if i cause a holdup, normally i would take laptop with me but have lent it to a friend for a few weeks ..

Resending.

Turn played and onto Brachra

where is the game now? :)

I haven't received it from Brachra, so I assume he's got it still. Warning U2, did you get a GPS yet?

I have never received an email from Brachra

I sent the game on Monday Nov 22 at 11:15 pm

I did not get the game back so assume it was received.

Quite frankly at the rate this game is going ... its very disappointing

You think this is bad? I'm in game called 'Pinta' where we've played well over a month and I just completed something like turn 4 (I'm the last player in a 5 player game.)

Oh and resending appears to have jump started that last turn, so you may want to try that here as well.

I have resent the turn to Brachra

He responded and said he will play asap

Did he give any indication when ASAP is, WU2? It's getting to the point where I'm thinking we should get replacement.

4 Hrs. I would suggest that we start looking for a replacement if the turn has not been played by end of day.

That sounds reasonable.

You guys post in the Replacement players hall ? Or you want me to do it. Not that it would make much of a difference but I am still around anyway.

Ok Lou told me that you guys need a sub, And I would love to fill the slot, if all agree! :bounce:

I had read all the thread, fast, and that seems a hell of confusion concerning turns flow! :crazyeye:

BTW, had Austria already engaged in war with someone? :sniper:

Npo, I don't think so. Perhaps this time we can be allies, oh Xerxes, ruler of the infidels ;)

ejeje...
We both are reading the same book - The Rise of Rome, Myles version!
:coffee:
And I am sure you all agree we can learn alot with the ancient wars!

But if it is confirmed that the slot is open and I am accepted to fill it, then I will part on a neutral position to all... (at least on my first move).
:rockon:
Yama

Yes, apparently the great Macedonians go on to conquer Scythia, but then lose their homeland to the Persians, who continue North to conquer the goals, but then lose a lot of land to these upstart Ottomans! ;):lol:

well everything has a price and you own me something ... so I think there is a fine solution that will make both of us happy and ending that war... but that is another thread!

[offtopic] :beer:

Send me a messenger, and we talk about it private. ;)

So Yamamoto are you replacing Brachra ... do you want me to send you the turn ? ... I am not aware of the password perhaps LouLong is ?

Punkbass has it as he started the game.
So it is up to him to send it to Yamamoto.

So, will I need to play Austria's turn then?

So i take it that Yamamoto is replacing Brachra? and that WarningU2 is resending the turn to Yamamoto and Punkbass will be sending Brachra's password to Yamamoto and we will have movement again? is this correct?

Btw apparently Brachra is 13 I added him to msn messenger to have another way of contacting/hurrying him and his screen name is 12 days til i'm 14

I'm so keen to get this going, we are stuck in the 'build up' phase.....

Please confirm if the replacement (Yamamoto) has in fact joined the game.......

when I receive the turn from someone (I think Lou will send me) then that will role again...

Austria Rulez

Yama

Played turn for Austria.

Turn sent to Punkbass2000.

Yamamoto will play the next turn (from WarningU2) with his own password.

My understanding is that LouLong has interceded and played the turn and when it comes back to me I will send to Yama.... however I have no idea what his email address is so I have sent him a private message to tell me.

Yes I think is that Warningu2. And I reply your message now.

Anyway, for who dont know yet, my e-mail is: civfan at gmail dot com

Yama

nothing received yet

Me neither.

So I am so confused ... I thought you had it Punkbass ... so who has the turn ?

I think there was some confusion, but LL has resent the turn. If I'm not mistaken, the original message said something like 'make sure Yamamoto gets this save', which I now realize meant that it needs to get to him eventually. I misunderstood and forwarded the save to Yama. The turn should be off in short order.

On to the dictatorial "Republic" ;)

Guys,

I think what happen is that:

Lou played turn 2 for me (austria) and sent to Punkbass.

Now punkbass has to go along with it, and play his turn and sent to the next, I think is sparhawk_59.

Then you guys go sending the turn until the turn 3, get to Warningu2.

When Warningu2 played he will sent turn nrº 3 to me, and then yes, I will be able to make my first move with Austria.

So, only to know, where is the turn now?

(ok, i didnt read the two previous posts. So I think is now all clear. I hope. :crazyeye:

Yama

Lets get it rolling again.....

All I know is that I have not seen this turn since Nov 22.

Far as I am concerned this game is dead.

I'll play it if it comes but I am rapidly losing interest. I hope it continues.

Who has the bloody turn now anyway ? Can we not be cute and actually state the darn civ it goes to ? ie what is the dictatorial republic

well, it seems I wont make even my first move! LOL

It was sent to sparhawk/Napoleon/France

Definitly lets start a new one. We are in time, is better and clean, IMHO.

Yama

OK I did not get any reply to my mail from James the first and his friend.
Of course did not get Brachra !

I have asked Detlef and he could be interested in us restarting with a "non-newbee" team of Yamamoto, WarningU2, Punkbass2000, Warning U2 and me !

Is it OK ?
Should we redistribute the civs ?

i just got back from a short business trip,playing turn , sending on. sorry for my delay, it won't happen again & would not have happened this time if game had not stalled with brachra, i don't want to restart or start a new game, we have a new player lets get this thing moving, and play the game :)

also this was started as a game for newbees, there are two of us still here and keen to play out our first game, we had a dud in brachra , now he's gone lets give it a chance !!!! don't give it up and leave us thinking the whole thing is a waste of time just because we got one dud player, who, as i found out by adding him to msn contact list, was only 13. Lets play now!!!

turn played and sent on to James I
The Glorious French armies have repulsed a British counterattack on Milan !! :)
viva la France

Well if it is so important for you to continue instead of re-start a new one, I am open for all suggestions. Though we are only in turn nr.3 so, that shouldnt be such a problem to start a new one.
Anyway, I just ask that whenever we be ausent, we just post here telling that. Is very likely someday I too cant play for a while, because I ll be out for some reason, but when and if that will happen, I just hope I can post it here telling that. Is just all that it takes.
concerning the game, is up to you boys, i can accept any of the decisions purposed before.

Yama

I suggest we keep going. I don't see the need to restart. I think we need to have the understanding that you either post a quick note if you are going to be away and or send an email to players saying you will be away.

fair call, i would have advised that i was going to be away but i expected to receive the turn from punkbass before i went which would have left 4 of you to play in the 4 days i was gone and then turn 4 would arrived just after i got back. in future i will post a few days in advance to allow turn to get to me before i go so a new turn will arrive just as i return then we should have no more delays. my apologies.

ok, no problem.
Lets have fun.

Austria Government change... After month of corruption and bad management we need a new leader! Some rumours says that will be a new one (foreigner, with an asian name?!) soon... Others especulate that his name ends in ...oto.
We will see, how bad or not so, Austria will be ruled from now.

Yama

Turn played onto Yama ... May 1800 was very quiet in Ottomons land ... with the exception too much belching and farting from some bad wine and too much mousaka.

Err... WarningU2, did you just report after Yamamoto the turn you played before him ?
Otherwise I don't get the situation...

I don't think Yama played yet, LL. HE was just noting that the game's continued and he is now the official leader of Austria. I too was confused at first; "Is he giving us free info that he's switching govs?" etc., I thought. (and yes, I know, he wouldn't be giving us info we couldn't obtain on our own, but, honestly, who's checking every civ on the F3 screen every turn?)

Lol... sorry all the mess i did, eventually!
It was just a play role, trying to say Austria changed leaders (bracha-> yama) and so on... I have now the file, after warning played it.
And I am sending it to Russia.

Yama

Btw, just to confirm, the roster order is:

1. punkbass2000 (Russia)
2. sparhawk_59 (France)
3. James I (English)
4. WarningU2 (Ottomans)
5. Yamamoto (Austria) (replaces brachra)

???
If yes, I have PunkB and W2 e-mails. I will need to add the Sparhawk and James emails. Please guys, just send me a reply to " civfan at gmail dot com "

Thx.

LouLong

I don't understand what the confusion is.

Yes I played the turn.

Yes I returned a GPS.

Yes I commented in here what was happening.

Honestly ..... what more can I do ?

Is not YOu W2. I just antecipate your comments, posting before you.

Btw, could any of you guys be so kind to send me the planning phase? I need all e-mails and roster order confirmation.

Thx.

Yama

Edit:
Hmm, I see now in the W2 foward e-mail, that eventually, LL had sent to me the planning phase before. For some reason I just lost that e-mail. Anyway all solve now, since W2 send it again to me. Thx. And lets have great time killing eachothers! :goodjob:

Yama

Apologies for my lack of Correspondance, I have been away for the last month and playing the game by downloading the saves sneakily through work..... so the turns have been played, but often it was impossible to get on to the forumformorethan 2 seconds....

For the turn received from Sparhawk i can surmise...

The British Forces Plot their revenge on the Arrogant French... as Allies of Napoleon reveal themselves by moving on British possesions on the continent, and are punished severly by the Professional British Troops as a result.

The turn was sent on to warning u2, and i'm sure has passed on since then.

Sorry to Lou for my lack of reply.

I'm in favour of playing on, the game is just getting interesting for me.

James I

I have not received any recent turn from James

The last turn I played was May 1800 on Dec 10

James Please report!

Over.

Games dead again it seems.

turn sent to me by punkbass, apparently file has an incurable virus, have asked him to resend it

turn sent to me by punkbass, apparently file has an incurable virus, have asked him to resend it

?!!?!?!!

I think this game has an incurable disease!!! :mad:

Ok Guys, here is the deal (at least my deal).
Since I accept the invitation to replace Bracha (dec, 1) it pass Fourteen days, and I managed to play only 1 turn! :eek:

I played that turn on Dec, 11, and passed to punkb.

PunkB played it right way, at it seems.
So sparhawk_59 only now, Dec 14, is posting saying he didnt played it yet (dont matter if you saying is a virus or whatever, the thing is only now you are posting here).

Concerning is the second time it is happening, then I must say.... it was nice to play with you guys one turn, in 14 days, but now is over. thx. :mischief:

Please james and sparhawk, you should have another tries, in other pbems, as soon as you guys managed to get some free time of your free time, to pbems. But you should not continue this one, and just get a nice withdrawal, IMHO.

Please dont interpret me wrong, but of course is not possible one guy (or two, or three...) just cut the fun of the others.
Btw, me too already give up a pbem, once, just because I realise in that moment, I was delaying the others because, i had not time in those weeks to play that pbem. So is normal, and we can meet again, in other pbems, as soon as you be really ready to do it.

Of course, the alternative in this point, is I get off instead.

Have a nice day/evening.

Yama

So at this point I have to agree with Yamamoto. Sorry to drag you into this. I understand your decision.

I regret to do this but having played only a few turns in many weeks, a lack of communication, the disappearance of brachus, now a virus infection on the game turn, and finally Yamamoto leaving ... well its ridiculous.

I am officially withdrawing from the game.

Yeah, I'm out.

I can't believe this.

It has been explained again and again by both sparhawk and myself that we sometimes have things in the way......this is called LIFE...

I have passed on each game turn with 24 hours of receiving it each time....

I have made it clear that i can always be reached on email, but can not always see forum....yet people ask me questions on the forum and not on email until days later.

1800 may was the last turn sent...... i played, passed on, and asked warning u2 to tell people on the forum he had received..... he didn't, and i get blaimed for holding the game up... :mad:

Sparhawk has posted saying "get the game to me by such and such a day or i will be away 3 days", its not his fault if people don't get it to him by this time.

a couple of days delay is to be expected...its PBEM, not online!

And the virus is Not sparhawks fault.......

:mad: :mad: :mad:

HEY

I am fully aware that people have lives outside of a game.

How is this my fault that you are away for several days and I am to blame ? :mad:

How is this my fault that I asked here what the status of the game is and sent and email and no response is received for several days ? :mad:

You need a serious attitude adjustment James I.

HEY

I am fully aware that people have lives outside of a game.

How is this my fault that you are away for several days and I am to blame ? :mad:

How is this my fault that I asked here what the status of the game is and sent and email and no response is received for several days ? :mad:

One turn in 14 days is not PBEM ... it's a joke

You need a serious attitude adjustment James I.

I completely agree with WarningU2. I know he is a very reliable and conscientious player. WE have both seen this game through plenty of rough times and given both you and your friend several chances. You are both slow to respond to anything. You can blame and stew as much as you want but it will not change a thing.

Punkbass you are a bad joke ...... you send the turn to the wrong person, you send the turn with an incurable virus.... you are the one who has held the game up, i've always emailed you when i was going to be away but still you couldn't get it to me before i went, LOOSER
Warning U2 , i understand your frustration, i too am frustrated, Brachra just about destroyed this game and Punkbass's incompetence finished it off - coupled with the overwhelming arrogance [obviously unjustified by reality] of yamamoto
Yamamoto, you are so full of yourself that it's ridiculous, you relace brachra and set yourself up as king of the game , proceed to try and make out that the stupidity of your mate punkbass isn't to blame for the problems in this game rather that somehow it's my fault or that of James I, get an attitude adjustment and a life!!!
funny i thought this was a game for newbees ...... :mad:
we started with 3 newbees and 2 experienced players, then it was 2 and 3, has there been encouragement to the newbees from the experienced players ... NO, just whinging and bickering, wanting to quit :mad: .... i read the newbee guide etc b4 we started and i really thought quitting was out :mad: ... that u get a bad rep from quitting, well i really hope that it's noted that punkbass and yamamoto are quitters, i really can't blame warning u2, but i hope it is also noted that James I and Sparhawk don't quit !!!!! :mad:
anyway i'd have kicked your butts for you !!!! FIGJAM
this has soured my feelings towards pbem but i'll hope that there are intelligent players out there and i'll try again - no offense to you warning u2, however you have seriously overreacted to James I's post, i can not see you could interpret it as him saying it's your fault!!!
I'm disgusted, ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED :mad: , i had to wait 2 days til i was calm enough to post this without doing so in traditional Aussie anger .... the F word being every second word and with lots of serious aspersions on peoples parentage etc, so if you think i've been harsh now, think again
QUITTERS NEVER WIN !!!!! WINNERS NEVER QUIT !!!!!!!!
GOODBYE

[pissed]

...
Yamamoto, (...), get an attitude adjustment and a life!!!



:hatsoff:
Hmm... Should I learn with your example here? :shakehead

Ok I hope everyone feels better blowing of steam.

Lets end this nonsense and move on.

Lets take it out on the field of battle, when one day we meet again. :D

Punkbass you are a bad joke ...... you send the turn to the wrong person, you send the turn with an incurable virus.... you are the one who has held the game up, i've always emailed you when i was going to be away but still you couldn't get it to me before i went, LOOSER
Warning U2 , i understand your frustration, i too am frustrated, Brachra just about destroyed this game and Punkbass's incompetence finished it off - coupled with the overwhelming arrogance [obviously unjustified by reality] of yamamoto
Yamamoto, you are so full of yourself that it's ridiculous, you relace brachra and set yourself up as king of the game , proceed to try and make out that the stupidity of your mate punkbass isn't to blame for the problems in this game rather that somehow it's my fault or that of James I, get an attitude adjustment and a life!!!
funny i thought this was a game for newbees ...... :mad:
we started with 3 newbees and 2 experienced players, then it was 2 and 3, has there been encouragement to the newbees from the experienced players ... NO, just whinging and bickering, wanting to quit :mad: .... i read the newbee guide etc b4 we started and i really thought quitting was out :mad: ... that u get a bad rep from quitting, well i really hope that it's noted that punkbass and yamamoto are quitters, i really can't blame warning u2, but i hope it is also noted that James I and Sparhawk don't quit !!!!! :mad:
anyway i'd have kicked your butts for you !!!! FIGJAM
this has soured my feelings towards pbem but i'll hope that there are intelligent players out there and i'll try again - no offense to you warning u2, however you have seriously overreacted to James I's post, i can not see you could interpret it as him saying it's your fault!!!
I'm disgusted, ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED :mad: , i had to wait 2 days til i was calm enough to post this without doing so in traditional Aussie anger .... the F word being every second word and with lots of serious aspersions on peoples parentage etc, so if you think i've been harsh now, think again
QUITTERS NEVER WIN !!!!! WINNERS NEVER QUIT !!!!!!!!
GOODBYE

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Sorry, I shouldn't spam. This thread should probably be closed/deleted anyway. I'll PM LL about it.

Good Day All,

For those interested in irony, I am now back home and able to access the net on a daily basis..... as i told everyone in a post, i'd have delays only for a few weeks....

Please note, Sparhawk and i have not finished the game.... and the possibility remains to get replacements who might be time constrained like us..... so we would strongly prefer if the thread wasn't closed.... I understand it(the thread) degenerated... from all sides... but the game still exists, and i for one wish to finish my first pbem game.

with a calm viewpoint, i'd like to ask a few questions/make a few observations.

knowing that it was a game for newbees.... shouldn't teething troubles be expected? As you yourselves have said, the game is only in early stages.... and if people are doing it wrong, a PM letting them know what they should do is an easy answer....

This game had a drama with a change of players, because of the nature of email, timezones, and net access, surely a period of confusion can be expected, and since we don't meet face to face, it takes time to sort this out....like rolling back the darkness at the start of an epic game.... its not always clear. But Shouldn't this experience of sorting things out be used as a lesson for newbees of how professionals deal with these situations? or (tongue in cheek) do you just quit.... (lol, sorry)

I understand you all have other games, and that this may not mean much to you, but please also understand this is my only pbem so far, and mean't a lot to me... so that might explain my passionate response earlier. also, re that response, i had my boss walk up behind me while typing.....so it maybe ended on a note different to that intended. Bare that in mind before writing me off......

final question- how many games are you guys involved in? if you care to answer.....

thanks for your time

James I

I am involved currently in 5 games on civfanatics and a longer epic type game on civ3players ... so 6 pbem games in total. Unfortunately they all seem to come into my warningu2 inbox at the the same time. :)

Now as for this game ... I thought the game turn had a virus so I considered it finished but if not and you can find another sub I'm willing to continue. We need to get more than 1 turn in a week. 2-3 turns a week is normal and 1 turn every 1-2 days is preferred. Had a I realized that this was going to be a "longer turn interrupted" type game going in, I wouldn't have had the expectation about normal play turns.

I didn't realize this is your first pbem game.... sorry. Yes you're right we need to cut you some slack as a noob game. I guess when you came out with gloves off swinging I came back with the same. Sorry. I don't, despite what was implied here, quit games. In this case I thought we were flogging a dead horse. But if the horse is back on it's feet ... let's ride off.

Thread closed at request of Originator (LouLong).