By the time my borders expanded, I knew I had a killer production city. Zero corruption. 5 grasslands with shields, 2 cows, 4 plains to irrigated with nearby lake. No aqueduct, so size 12 city early. At that point, I mad the decision to try for the ultimate city.

Here is the building schedule.
2710 BC - Temple
1100 BC - Pyramids
370 BC - Great Library
This turned out to be the key. Permanently closed being behind in tech. Russia and England were both ahead. Over the years, I learned many techs from them.
310 BC - Library
150 BC - Coliseum
310 AD - Hanging Gardens. Thanks to acquired tech. Go GL!
350 AD - Cathedral. Thanks to being scientific, I got ahead of the computer players, and never looked back. I hoarded any tech with a wonder, until built.
730 AD - Sistine Chapel.
1020 AD - Bach's Cathedral
1060 AD - University
1255 AD - Copernicus's Observatory
1365 AD - Newton's University
1465 AD - Shakespeare Theater
1620 AD - Universal Suffrage - after a rush built factory (expensive!)
1640 AD - Theory of Evolution thanks to a great leader. However, with winner at 1888, I don't know if the rush was important.
1690 AD - Wall Street.
1730 AD - Intelligence Agency
1760 AD - Battlefield Medicine
I know, the junk culture wonders, but I had nothing else to build. Every point counts!
1850 AD - Seti
1854 AD - Research Lab
1868 AD - Apollo program.

15 wonders from Babylon. And Cancer was close to being cured.

This was harder then it looked! By the middle ages, I got involved with a war vs. Russia. Thankfully, Persia, Zululand and England went after them (after some serious bribing). After a long marathon, Russia was beat back. Just in time for England to send 8 knights toward a key city. I knew that move was bad news. I immediately switched every useful production cities except Babylon to build military. Rushed build unit I had almost zero dollars. I make peace with the evil Russians. England is just to close to Babylon. I quickly form an alliance again with Zululand and Persia. My knights are rushing back from the Russian border. England gets within 2 squares from Babylon. However, I start to see the Zulu knights coming to the rescue. I even gave them Right of Passage, and killed production, to move the workers out of their way. I start to beat up a small force chewing up improvements near my conquered Russian cities. After several nerve wracking turns, I can tell I **JUST** made it. The knights coming back slaughter that rogue stack. Zululand kills many of the units near Babylon. I clean up the rest of my borders, and quite a few years later, I set eyes on one my first English city. From here, I know it is a matter of time. Even the Persian troops have reach England.

I know that the 20000-culture goal is possible. However, the conditions must be right. You must have a high production town. I kept a worker near Babylon until 12 perfect squares were built. No matter what is going on, you must never stop building wonders. If you can’t lead in science, you can’t pull it off. I think Babylon with cheap Religion and Science structures is the best country to pull it off.

What I did enjoy was making it by 1888. :goodjob

The game, the turn before is below.

And what made my day. This also was a crucial turning point. This was the turn I discovered Steam Power. This turned out to be my ONLY source of coal. Without all those railroads around Babylon, I may not have gotten some of the later wonders.

And finally, Babylon at 1886.

Wow...great post! Congratulations and thanks for the info. I have around 13,000 points in my capital right now (1940AD) and was realizing last night just how hard 20,000 points must be.

I agree, I'm playing a game as Babylon, Science + Religion rocks.

It's the industrial era, and I'm atleast 3 techs ahead of everybody else. The last ten wonders to be built have all been, yes, built by Babylon. Looks like you just beat me to the punch ;).

Impressive, I have been playing the Babs and havent been anywhere near doing that.

The setup must be just right for what ever civ you play.

1 - Fresh water (size 12, prefer a river - Hoovers dam)

2 - Extra food. Fast growth, and can support 1 elvis with stopping growth.

3 - Good production squares.

4 - Other nearby civs. I you can't science trade early, forget it. You much get ahead of the other civs by the middle ages.


I may never get a change to pull this off again. Though I will always look.

Hmmm, I think my next game will be for a culture win with the Babylons....Good job Lkendter! :goodjob:

I won my first game with culture by 2010 or something. I thought all hope was out, but suddenly I won!!! Due to the 20 000 culturepoint limit. I thougt it was 100 000 p for the whole civ. I think I had a lot of wonders in that city too, since I reached above 100 cultural points per turn. Chieftain altough... haven't play (ever) so much other levels altough my early addiction for civ (1991)..... :egypt:

Funnily enough I'd been thinking along the same lines of playing the babylonians and going for cultural victory. I'd been trying for a while but couldn't seem to get a good starting position. Well, just after reading your initial post, I got the perfect starting position: 2 cows, 2 wheet, river, 5 grasslands with shields, the rest normal grasslands.

I ended up winning just 2 years later than lkendter, due to losing a good slab of my empire in a war against the persians who thought it would be fun to suddenly attack me with their immortals. :( I begged them for peace though and managed to somehow survive, but I had to play science broker through most of the middle of the game, which slowed my progress and made me actually compete to build wonders fastest. Missing out on the 6 culture from Newton's University by a couple of turns and then seeing all those shields go to waste sucked. :( Or if I'd not been stupid and built Wall Street in another city :p

Anyway, my buildings were:
4000 BC - Palace
2950 BC - Temple
290 BC - Great Library
250 BC - Library
170 BC - Cathedral
50 BC - Colosseum
440 AD - Hanging Gardens
710 AD - Sistine Chapel
1020 AD - JS Bach's Cathedral
1060 AD - University
1280 AD - Shakespeare's Theatre
1465 AD - Universal Sufferage
1535 AD - Theory of Evolution
1570 AD - Intelligence Agency
1615 AD - Battlefield Medicine
1675 AD - Hoover Dam
1754 AD - United Nations
1776 AD - Cure for Cancer
1778 AD - Research Lab
1788 AD - Apollo Program
1810 AD - Longevity
1830 AD - Strategic Missile Defense