I am now announcing my new scenario, "Julius Caesar's Gallic Wars". RedAlert has a wonderful map, and MaisseAryousse has helped come up with the civs to be represented (the list I shall post later). So far, I got nothing but a blank canvas. I'm looking for individuals who can help me with city placement, resource placement, and historical accuracy.

Join the team and spout off some ideas!

Here's the list. 22 tribes represented. Plus Rome, that comes to 23 civs. We have room for 8 more. MaisseAryousse did them in French, but we can interpret it.

Eburons
Trévires
Nerviens
Hèlvètes
Carnutes
Eduens
Arvernes
Rèmes
Bellovaques
Allobroges
Séquanes
Bituriges
Pictons
Santons
Atuatuques
Volques
Vénètes
Lémovices
Salluviens
Tarbelles
Triboques
Parisiens

I'm still here to help you. I can place any city you want !

BTW, it's "Maisse Arsouye" ;)

There is no MaisseAryousse! (ala "there is no Keizer Soze!")

I count 44 tribes in my copy of the War Commentaries of Caesar. Of ocuse, most of these aren't really all that important. Anyway, here's the full list in English (roughly from SW France to NW Germany, the last 3 are from Britain):
Tarusates
Sotiates
Vocates
Ruteni
Cadurci
Pictones
Bituriges
Turoni
Boii
Veragri
Aeudi
Nantuates
Seduni
Helvetii
Sequani
Lingones
Carnutes
Andes
Aulerci
Venati
Curiosolites
Eburovices
Lexovii
Parisii
Senones
Bellovaci
Remi
Atrebates
Nervii
Morini
Menapii
Treveri
Aduatuci
Eburones
Batavi
Frisii
Usipetes
Tencteri
Sugambri
Suebi
Cantii
Trinobantes
Cassi

Wow, that's a lot of tribes! But take heart, most of them are very minor. Here is the list of tribes that I recall as being important: Nervii, Treveri, Suebi, Atrebates, Aeudi, Boii, Helvetii, and the Arverni.

Yeah, we'll need the Suebii and the Ubii, the Trinobantes, Arverni, Aedui, Remii, Nervii, Armoricans (we could clump them into one group, could we not?) Parisii, Aquitani, Helvetii, Frisii...

Presumably the Armoricans' UU would be Asterix...

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Anybody? Or should I post a map to get things started?

I can look at city locations if you show the map..

Here's a map I allready posted for another mod :
http://www.lexilogos.com/images/gaulois.gif

I thinks its muuuuuuuch easier to find good informations about Gaul if your primary language is french :D

Don't hesitate to ask me for any question/request ;)

@ Oblivion

Here's a map preview.

You shall not forget the Rauricans. I mean, the local radio station was named after them (not any more, but it was once :))

but good luck on this mod :)

mfG mitsho

@mitsho

Thanks.

@Oblivion

Here's a link w/ the download for the map.:)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=102023

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Allo?:confused:

Maybe we could make the final civs list. Then I can place then on the map :)

Okay, so once again, who do we choose? I had some ideas in the above posts...

Let's start with the first list we made and then add some suggestions. Somebody will have to decide, and you're the boss of this mod ;)

Here's a list:

Tarusates
Sotiates
Vocates
Ruteni
Cadurci
Pictones
Bituriges
Turoni
Boii
Veragri
Aeudi
Nantuates
Seduni
Helvetii
Sequani
Lingones
Carnutes
Andes
Aulerci
Venati
Curiosolites
Eburovices
Lexovii
Parisii
Senones
Bellovaci
Remi
Atrebates
Nervii
Morini
Menapii
Treveri
Aduatuci
Eburones
Batavi
Frisii
Usipetes
Tencteri
Sugambri
Suebi
Cantii
Trinobantes
Cassi

I said:

Yeah, we'll need the Suebii and the Ubii, the Trinobantes, Arverni, Aedui, Remii, Nervii, Armoricans (we could clump them into one group, could we not?) Parisii, Aquitani, Helvetii, Frisii...


were most important.

and what's your final choice? :)

mfG mitsho

OK, I'll make the very first biq with the good civs and their starting location.

I found a good synthesis there :
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_peuples_gaulois_en_France

Here's the result of my work :

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/gaul_tribes.jpg

I found the name of the capital city for a lot 39 gaul tribes, and placed it on the map.

If we add Rome and some tribes in Germany and Great britain, it's obvious we have to make choices...

Amazing work!!! :eek:

Wow! And I thought it'd never be done!

Great job, Maisse!:goodjob:

Of course, we'll need to take out a few...

http://www.slitherine.co.uk/Legion/Images/Map_Gaul.gif

*note; gallia Transalpina, and the area sof Spain is a roman provinces by this time

So... Should that be the tribal list?

better off as a nation list, IMO- makes the gallic tribed stronge,r because they ar elarger, and thus can produce more units,

you shoudl probably break up rome into differen tpronives, those controlled by Caesar, and thoise controlled by the senate, since your usign a map of a very large area, larger then just what the scenario strictlly requires as a minimum

better off as a nation list, IMO- makes the gallic tribed stronge,r because they ar elarger, and thus can produce more units,

you shoudl probably break up rome into differen tpronives, those controlled by Caesar, and thoise controlled by the senate, since your usign a map of a very large area, larger then just what the scenario strictlly requires as a minimum

I think he meant it as a nation list... not a barbarian settlement list.

Anyhoo, so what do we give unto Caesar and what do we give unto the Senate?

I don't think it's a good idea to make civ such as "eastern" gaul, but for other areas, it could be usefull. BTW, if it was my scen, I would make it so :

7 "neighbours"

Roma
Suèbii
Cassii
Cantii
Batavii
Suebii
Tencterii
Iberi ( or any other generic )

12 "must be in"

Eburones
Aduatuci
Menapi
Remii
Parisii
Trevii
Aeudi
Arvneri
Aulerci
Tarbelli ( or generic Aquitania )
Helvetii
Sequani

12 "fill the space"

Pictones
Carnutes
Lingons
Lemovices
Lexovices
Salluviens
Venati
Seduni
Triboci
Nantuates
Bituriges


Maybe Cassii and Cantii can go together in a generic "brit" civ, making a free lace for one more gallic tribe.


@Amenhotep7 : do you want the excel file with more information ?

I think he meant it as a nation list... not a barbarian settlement list.my map? yes, nation list- its dumb to spilt up all gual where each tribe is indipendent, because your just making it absurdlly easy for the player of Caesars faction to sweep gual- it shoudl be at least a little challenging, after all.


Anyhoo, so what do we give unto Caesar and what do we give unto the Senate?

Caesar woudl get anythign abouve the Rubicon really, so Northern italy, the already Roman controlled territories in Gual, and the alps and what not; everyhtign else that belongs to Rome goes to the Senate.

my map? yes, nation list- its dumb to spilt up all gual where each tribe is indipendent, because your just making it absurdlly easy for the player of Caesars faction to sweep gual- it shoudl be at least a little challenging, after all.

Might still be challenging if the various tribes are in a locked alliance against Rome, no?

And before, I meant that when Amenhotep referred to it as a "tribal list", he was talking about the civilizations... not barbarian encampments with these names. Basically, you were on the same page.

Caesar woudl get anythign abouve the Rubicon really, so Northern italy, the already Roman controlled territories in Gual, and the alps and what not; everyhtign else that belongs to Rome goes to the Senate.

Ah yes, there is quite a bit of Italy in that map upon closer inspection..... yes, I think that's not a bad idea... In fact, if you wanted to make it REALLY interesting for Caesar, give him a standing army and only like one small camp and everything else part of Rome. I guess then that they would be in a locked alliance... And that way, you really have to use your troops wisely from the beginning if you want to win... and it also gives the Gauls an opportunity to destroy Caesar's "line of supply" by capturing his first encampment and thereby destroy his "civ".


EDIT: In addition, it seems to me that Italy was for a long time very vulnerable to attacks by the Celts... so maybe it'd be a good idea to make units belonging to Rome (other than Caesar's armies) relatively weak. So that way, the Gauls can kind of go for the fleshy underbelly :p

Of course... if I was playing as Caesar, I know what I would do: Let the Gauls take most of Rome out, then reconquer the cities and start crapping out legions like mad... could simulate Caesar "liberating" Rome from the barbarians! :evil:

well, if thier enough spots left opver, it be nice to add a few other Imperial governors, like pompey, into the mix- and have the beginnign of the Roman civil war as well ;)

that said, ceasar had direct control over his provinces, so it wouldnt be accurate to give the cities to Rome, directlly.

also, i wouldnt worry about Rome itself beign over powered- Ceasar control most of what of italy thire is on the map- and any issues can be taken up by just making non-mercenary roman troops expensive, and the government (republic) having to pay more upkeep per trooper

well, if thier enough spots left opver, it be nice to add a few other Imperial governors, like pompey, into the mix- and have the beginnign of the Roman civil war as well ;)

that said, ceasar had direct control over his provinces, so it wouldnt be accurate to give the cities to Rome, directlly.

Fair enough. Maybe though Julius Caesar's cities could be a little slow on producing new units... i.e. his units would be very expensive, and the Gallic troops could be relatively cheap. Thus it would make it much more difficult to sweep the map.

I placed the infos I collected on a map.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/gaul_tribes2.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/gaul_ma.zip