Link (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/odd_cyprus_atlantis_dc)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20041116/atlantis_theory_graphic.gif

This map is intriguing. :eek:
I wonder what kind of evidences does he have beside the sonar result.

Somebody already trying to dispute the result.
Link (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041116/sc_afp/cyprus_atlantic_041116200017)

it looks interesting, if you are unfamilliar with the historical city of tartesos - Tartessos, for those whom are unfamilliar with it, matches exactley everything which Plato describes being attributed to the Atlanteans, except the 9,000 year old date

Why can't people accept that Atlantis was something Plato made up? Why is it so hard???

It was based on two cities in all honesty; Helice (in Achaea) and Tartessos (in southern Spain). Everthing seems to fit with a combination of the two.

Why can't people accept that Atlantis was something Plato made up? Why is it so hard???


the space aliens wouldn't of lied to me :mad:

Why can't people accept that Atlantis was something Plato made up? Why is it so hard???

It was based on two cities in all honesty; Helice (in Achaea) and Tartessos (in southern Spain). Everthing seems to fit with a combination of the two.

actually, you tak eout Helike- apperntlly, the egyptian record the cpaital of the sea peoples- who, in addition to the Mycenaeans and minoans, whom seem to have been lopped in thier, seem to have been Western med peoples, was done in by natural disaster- and the old testiment record 'Tarshish", thier name of the city as having been done in by natural disaster as well.

Video Clip (http://www.actionevents.com/AtlantisLw.wmv)

See the video simulation

The destruction of the Gibraltar dam by earthquake created a disaster of epic proportions for the basin inhabitants, indeed, causing the world’s greatest waterfall (http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/chapter_6_excerpt.htm)

This will be one of the most important discoveries if it is true. I cannot imagine the sight of Atlantic Ocean pouring into the Mediterranean basin.

For those who are interested
see:
http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/

The fact that Helice is mentioned as the capital of the Sea Peoples should not be surprising. It was an incredibly large and powerful city in Greece, and it was the last part of Mycenaean Greece to fall to the invading Dorians (there had been a known settlement in the region around where Helice should be since at least 5000BC). It was destroyed in 378BC IIRC by an earthquake, a tidal wave and a flood (and a bizarre natural event where water gurgles up from under the land which also brings up mud, effectively burying things from underground) two weeks after the inhabitants had insulted their patron god, Poseidon. The roofs of the largest buildings in the city were supposedly still visible by the first century BC.

Why can't people accept that Atlantis was something Plato made up? Why is it so hard???

It was based on two cities in all honesty; Helice (in Achaea) and Tartessos (in southern Spain). Everthing seems to fit with a combination of the two.

That's what they said about Homer and Troy too... :rolleyes:

I'm willing to keep an open mind until someone gets conclusive proof - this latest is an interesting theory which I will take cum grano salis like all the others - including Tartessos.

The people who dismissed Homer though were idiots. Plato wrote about Atlantis only two or so years after Helice. Tartessos IIRC was already in decay by then. He probably put the two together for some purpose never revealed as he never finished his Atlantean works.

All few years Atlantis seemed to be found. Helgoland, Andes, East Prussia, Greenland, Troy, Canares, Spain, Atlantic Ocean and now Cyprus. I think it is not this found. I also think Atlantis existed. But due to Plato, as the only source we have, it was out of Gibraltar and a land as big as North Africa and Turkey. So I don´t think THAT was Atlantis.

Adler

The people who dismissed Homer though were idiots. Plato wrote about Atlantis only two or so years after Helice. Tartessos IIRC was already in decay by then. He probably put the two together for some purpose never revealed as he never finished his Atlantean works.

hmm, hard to say- in my mind, the reason he wrote the damn thing was because-

A)he wanted to prove soem obscure philosophical argument

B)The greek people may have been infatuated at the time with great cities taken by natural disasters because of Helice

now, if all of platos story is true- even how ye olde Solon went to egypt, and found out all this crap about atlantis, it still fits tartessos; because all of the egyptian records of tartessos are more or less connected with the descriptions of the sea peoples; whom obviouslly appeared to the ancient egyptians as if they ruled an empie going in Etruia in europe, and up to thier very border sof lybia in egypt, because of the apperent co-operation between the lybians, and the Sea peoples

thsi means that this par tof the story coudl very well be true, about solons venture to egypt, and the egyptian telling him this little story; of course, ther arny egy[tians records that we know of telling that the Mycenaeans had any hand in des[atcing the sea peoples, but then, that not exactley somthing you go put on your monumnets, how some other nation own a major victory who repulsed your current #1 enemy at one point; or perhaps the egyptians were just lyeing about Mycenaean Greeks driving out the Sea peoples...

According to geologists the medi-terrenean flooded for the last time 5 million years ago when the land bridge at Gibralter broke. It had periodically dried out and been refilled prior to this. If the geologists are correct then there can't be a city there.

I have two points on the whole thing:
1. There are SO many ancient Greek and non-Greek cities flooded or immersed in water over 10000 years of known history. Hundreds if not thousands. Saying that this one (the one found) is Atlantis is like saying than any human being is American or Chinese.
2. Atlantis, according to most sources, was located West of modern day Greece. Look at the map.

For those Atlanteans out there Sarmast is appearing on the cerebral Richard and Judy Show ......TODAY!!! :D

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Atlantis was west of Gibraltar. I has many names and also there are Indian legends telling a very similar story about a sunk continent in the East (Atztecs for instance). So I think it was somewhere between Europe and America. Also names of that continent are known in many languages and legends like Avalon, Albion, Atzatlan (sp?). I think there is a hard core but nothing in Europe is Atlantis.

Adler

As far as I know, Plato got his information about Atlantis form Egyptian Priests, and these had heard the story from their predecessors (the priests that 'guarded' the temple before them, right word?). And you all know what effect occurs when an information is carried over several generations and then is translated into a different language, and finally written down by a philosoph.
Atlantis certainly existed - because every story has something (little) true in it. But of course, it could've been anything. From Tartessos to Helgoland to Cyprus to some stone age people (sorry, I only know the German name) who invaded the meditterannean long ago and destroyed (because of their sheer masses) everything but the 'great' civilized empires of Greece and were finally stopped by a Pharao. Why, because of a natural disaster in the north. :)
Or Atlantis is just a mixture of these stories.

It doesn't matter. Let the people believe in it and let them search further. It's probable that they don't find Atlantis but another very important archeological site and discovery. :)

mfG mitsho

hmm, hard to say- in my mind, the reason he wrote the damn thing was because-

A)he wanted to prove soem obscure philosophical argument

B)The greek people may have been infatuated at the time with great cities taken by natural disasters because of Helice

now, if all of platos story is true- even how ye olde Solon went to egypt, and found out all this crap about atlantis, it still fits tartessos; because all of the egyptian records of tartessos are more or less connected with the descriptions of the sea peoples; whom obviouslly appeared to the ancient egyptians as if they ruled an empie going in Etruia in europe, and up to thier very border sof lybia in egypt, because of the apperent co-operation between the lybians, and the Sea peoples

thsi means that this par tof the story coudl very well be true, about solons venture to egypt, and the egyptian telling him this little story; of course, ther arny egy[tians records that we know of telling that the Mycenaeans had any hand in des[atcing the sea peoples, but then, that not exactley somthing you go put on your monumnets, how some other nation own a major victory who repulsed your current #1 enemy at one point; or perhaps the egyptians were just lyeing about Mycenaean Greeks driving out the Sea peoples...

Now that was a difficult post to read :eek: even for one of yours ;)

He might have been trying to make a point that all the great things men do can be completely erased and destroyed by the whim of the gods in an instant. Might have been a comment on the fall of greatness. Who could say. Doesn't matter. Another possibility is that Solon was told references of Alashia (or Alakia, or something else; I'll remember the exact name eventually) which was believed to have been a kingdom on Cyprus which was destroyed and Solon misinterpreted.

@Mongoloid cow- was it alaska? :p

anyway, interesting, but it dosent match up with eveything if he only meant some are on cyprus- such as how do they control Lybia, and, mor eimportantlly, europe from the gate of GIbralter, up to Eturia ;)

I don't think in that time, there was any way an empire could stretch so far. It was just impossible with the communication and distance problems alone. It was probably more of an alliance than anything, and once they carved out their own little kingdoms they turned on each other to get more. I also have trouble believing that the Libyans and Sea Peoples were allied though. It is known that the Libyans invaded Egypt constantly (Libya is a desert wasteland, Egypt was like the Garden of Eden) and especially started full scale invasions during the reign of Ramesses III who could never defeat them. To the Egyptians, it probably just seemed like they were allied.

Alakia (or whatever it was called) was a rich kingdom of Cyprus which fell about the same time as the Sea Peoples were around. It was incredibly wealthy and influential due to its' near monopoly of copper in the Middle East during that period. There is always the chance Solon got it wrong.

I never said they were- justthe egyptian wrote down that they were; though, keep oin mind, the se apeoples were several different groups of people acting together after all (which lead perhaps tot he multiple sub kingdom part of the Atlantean myth)

There is always the chance Solon got it wrong.

that statement would only stand if the entire myth ended with the name atlantis- since thier a physical derpition of th elocation atlantis, cyprus as a whole is ruled out.

I know what Plato said about Atlantis, but what did Solon say? Doubtless Plato changed it.

Let's see what this is really down below the ocean. :)

I think more proof is needed, but it is interesting nevertheless!

Did anyone see Sarmast on T.V yesterday? I missed it :( I had a look at some of the sonar images. They aren't very convincing. Although there does seem to be a wall encircling one of the sea mounts about a third of the way up. It could be anything - the precipitation depth of a mineral might lead you to believe there is man made structure for instance. When in fact it is just minerals being forced out of solution at that particular depth (pressure) and forming what appears to be a wall.

I know what Plato said about Atlantis, but what did Solon say? Doubtless Plato changed it.

supposedlly, solon said the same thing about atlantis that platosaud, which came striaght from the mouth of egyptian preists- obviouslly, in such a game of "telephone", detials are going to get changed, even fi the story itself remians, relitivlyl unchanged; and that is essentially what we have here- a superstructure that has full basis in fact, but with a few details changed.

Im still not convinced. I think it actualy an ofshoot story from the bibilical flood account.

that dosent add up- tartessos, and its destruction by natural disaster, is recorded by the bible, so the entire legend dosent date back enough to have any connection with the biblical flood (besides, the ancient greek religion has a different, but similer story to the biblicle account of the flood, but none of that animal crap in it, and to repopulate the world, the people threw stones over thier shoulders, who the gods then made into people)

Ya after hundreds of years of recount. They messed the truth up. The truth being that humanity got so bad that God flooded the earth and spared only one family.

Many theories say that atlantis was a big continent in the middle of the Atlantic, and that it had 9 mountains and that those mountains are the islnads of Azores (Portugal), but it is only a theory

Many theories say that atlantis was a big continent in the middle of the Atlantic, and that it had 9 mountains and that those mountains are the islnads of Azores (Portugal), but it is only a theory
Thats a really interesting theory! I shall look into that :coffee:

Many theories say that atlantis was a big continent in the middle of the Atlantic, and that it had 9 mountains and that those mountains are the islnads of Azores (Portugal), but it is only a theory

that's weird since the azores are in the mid atlantic, since it would be very hard to travel there