:worship: They're trying to take over the World (one soul at a time) anyway.

Why not include them as a Civilization?

Leader - Joseph Smith or Brigham Young or Donny Osmond or Orrin Hatch.

Phalanxes of missionaries in God's Army.

They would strike fear in the hearts of other players.

Battle sound effects could be the sound of a door knocking.

Population increase would be rapid.

Holy wars would be commonplace.

No separation between church and state.

Very Conservative.

Tabernacles instead of cathedrals. Stake houses instead of churches.

Wonder - Salt Lake City Temple.

Expansionist.

Polytheism could be replaced with Polygamy.

I think it's a marvellous idea.

They could actually begin as the Lost Tribe of Egypt.

There could be wars againt Jehova's Witnesses and Jesuits.

Battle cries of "oh my heck", "gosh" and "darn it".

Can I get an Amen?

:jesus:

Instead of settlers they'd have missionaries. But you would need a two units to found each new city.

Oh, and you would have the option to "excommunicate" any unhappy or resisting citizens to maintain civil order.

Marvelous idea.

The Mormans are a religion, not a civilization.

could be considered in the new religion component of CIV 4 but since we know nothing about that aspect of the game yet, hard to see how this could be incorporated.

You did mean this partly as a joke, right?

I think the techinal term is 'extracting the Michael' ;)

When I saw Donny Osmond as a leader, I figured it was a joke.

The Mormans are a religion, not a civilization.

could be considered in the new religion component of CIV 4 but since we know nothing about that aspect of the game yet, hard to see how this could be incorporated.


The Mormons believe that they are descended from the Lost Tribe of Egypt which left North Africa and ended up in America. Therefore, the Mormons would be a Civilization born of the Lost Tribe. It's all in the Book! :jesus:

There should at least be some population-sapping raging hordes of Missionaries popping up all over the map.

Instead of settlers they'd have missionaries. But you would need a two units to found each new city.

Oh, and you would have the option to "excommunicate" any unhappy or resisting citizens to maintain civil order.

Marvelous idea.


Excellent suggestions. :thumbsup:

I second the motion. :jesus:

I think there is a great deal of scope for this idea. Firaxis take note!

You did mean this partly as a joke, right?

Only a very small part. :)

When I saw Donny Osmond as a leader, I figured it was a joke.

Not really a joke. :mischief: there is some humour attached but I think it's a great idea. original and entertaining. :)

Religious zealots have driven the World to ruin so why not introduce the wealthiest fastest growing soul solicitors to the World domination game.

can i get an Amen? :jesus:

The Mormans are a religion, not a civilization.


What are you talking about? Haven't you even been to Utah?!

What are you talking about? Haven't you even been to Utah?!


Amen :jesus:

What are you talking about? Haven't you even been to Utah?!

What I am saying is that the Mormons are a religion.

Last I knew, Utah belong to the United States and not to the Independent Nation of the Mormons. Sure the Mormon Religion has had an influence on Salt Lake City and the state of Utah, as would any other religion with such a strong precence in a single area. That just does not mean that they are a civilization unton themselves.

not yet... :-)

The theocratic republic of mormonia. :D

NO, NO, NO

A case could be made for Catholics, as they are very organized and have governing power. But even in Utah, the mormons don't run the governmnent, which is an essential part of a civ.

the mormons run the "welfare" programs of the state... the mormons hold almost all gov't offices...

what do you think constitutues "running the gov't"?

Well, Christians run most of the offices in the United States, UK, France, etc from the founding. Should Christianity be considered a civ?

If we start going down the road of including religions, we should change the name from civilization to "Religion". It would become a completely new game.

sounds like a good video game :-D

kill the infidels!!

Well, Christians run most of the offices in the United States, UK, France, etc from the founding. Should Christianity be considered a civ?

If we start going down the road of including religions, we should change the name from civilization to "Religion". It would become a completely new game.

I kind of agree in a way, but who says different civs aren't going to share the same religion in the new game? Sort of like government. Also from what I've been hearing it's pretty much certain religion is going to be in the game. There's no way to tell how it will work, it might not be all that unpleasant. But I do hope, for the sake of the franchise, that they stay away from using real-world religions. I would imagine that they will, and probably you'll 'build your own' religion or something like that. Who knows, maybe you will even play the role of the deity (which would make more sense than ruling an entire civilization for 6000 years and pretending to be 'just a normal guy').

What I am saying is that the Mormons are a religion.

Last I knew, Utah belong to the United States and not to the Independent Nation of the Mormons. Sure the Mormon Religion has had an influence on Salt Lake City and the state of Utah, as would any other religion with such a strong precence in a single area. That just does not mean that they are a civilization unton themselves.

Actually in the 1850s... 1854 if I remember correctly? Anyway, around that time, the Mormons exoded the heavily populated eastern United States and moved north and east into the still Indian West. They settled around the area that is now Utah and seceded, creating a brief theocracy. It was very, very brief, the US took the colony back within the year, but they did exist for a time and they wanted to recreate it for a long time afterwards.

Regardless, I don't think they should be a civ and I think this is a rather ludicrous suggestion.

@frekk: I have no problem with civs have religion as a component. I just don't think that religions should be counted as a civ. I, too, hope, and believe, that they will stay away from actual real religions.\

@xanthippus: texas should be a civ by your criteria. It has a very unique culture and was self-governing for much more then a few months.

@frekk: I have no problem with civs have religion as a component. I just don't think that religions should be counted as a civ. I, too, hope, and believe, that they will stay away from actual real religions.\

@xanthippus: texas should be a civ by your criteria. It has a very unique culture and was self-governing for much more then a few months.

Exactly, and I don't think Texas should be a civ either. Neither should Newfoundland or the Republic of New England (which was centred around New York); or California for that matter.

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are u lot taking the mick??

What I am saying is that the Mormons are a religion.

Last I knew, Utah belong to the United States and not to the Independent Nation of the Mormons.

They tried to form their own nation - sent settlers out from Kansas but the Americans sent out a bunch of cavalry units, surrounded the fledgeling civ, forcing a culture flip without firing a shot. But the Americans need to keep an eye on Salt Lake City before they are deposed!

If you interested in the history check out the latest from Jon Krakauer:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385509510/102-4578736-2023307?v=glance"