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Insigna
Nov 18, 2004, 09:07 PM
Where do you guys think the Sea Peoples came from? I think they came from the Aegean area. Well my teacher brought it up in Near East history; where else could they have come from. north of the Black Sea? Sicily, Sardinia Italy?

Knight-Dragon
Nov 18, 2004, 09:15 PM
I've heard they're a mixed bunch of displaced Philistines and Mycaeneans (sp?)...

MCdread
Nov 18, 2004, 09:36 PM
Wasn't this the same period when the Hitite state fell and Greece entered the Dark Ages? For what I know (which isn't much...), the eastern mediterranean seems to have experienced some turmoil and old systems collapsed (perhaps a series of terrible farming years), so I'd say it was mixture of people from several origins displaced from their lands due to some critical events. They could be a mass of migrating people, desperatly trying to find a better place to settle.

mrtn
Nov 19, 2004, 06:59 AM
Someone said something somewhere about them being from Spain/Tartessos.

Inhalaattori
Nov 19, 2004, 08:19 AM
They were from Scandinavia. Their equipment is pictured in the way that indicates to Scandinavia.

BananaLee
Nov 19, 2004, 11:54 AM
XIII - IIRC, the Phillistines were the descendants of the Sea Peoples who settled in Canaan.

Mongoloid Cow
Nov 19, 2004, 03:21 PM
There was most likely a series of bad farming years across the world at that time. The Sea Peoples crops failed, so they invaded the great empires and fertile regions of the Middle East. Egypt managed to defeat the Sea Peoples, but was greatly weakened by the Libyans who they could not defeat (the Libyans eventually conquered Lower Egypt and founded a myriad of kingdoms and principalities). The Hittite Empire was not so lucky and collapsed due to pressure on all borders (the greatest threat came from Greece from Miletus and Ephesus).

Xen
Nov 19, 2004, 03:50 PM
They were from Scandinavia. Their equipment is pictured in the way that indicates to Scandinavia.

no its not. that statment is the bigges tbunch og bull- you onlysay they were scandanvian because SOME have horned helemts- and you have a sterotypical image in your mind of a viking warrior with a horned helment[/b]

the VIkings didnt use horned helmets, the celts did, but they dont look anythign liekt he sea peoples helms- besides th elittle fact that that the cultures you speak of dont actually exist in any significant maount at that point in time

Xen
Nov 19, 2004, 03:51 PM
that said, they came from the western med sea reagion, from italy,Spian, and the assorted med se aislands, with more then a fe tiest with the Mycenaeans,Anatolians, and Minoans, and possibly the Lybians

Amenhotep7
Nov 19, 2004, 03:56 PM
@Inhaalitori
No, not really. :p

I think they were a bunch of scattered people. Hence they are called the Sea Peoples. The Dark Ages of Greece were turbulent times. Displaced Minoans, Eastern peoples, Myceneans, peoples from the western Mediterranean, all of them culminating into what amounts to a great geopolitical transformation and redistribution.

Insigna
Nov 20, 2004, 09:46 PM
They were from Scandinavia. Their equipment is pictured in the way that indicates to Scandinavia.

That seems quite hard to believe. The Farthest North I have ever heard is Southern Central Europe and even then it would have been a chain reaction of migrations.

bombshoo
Nov 21, 2004, 03:18 PM
I always was taught they were Libyans, which didnt seem unlikely, considering they were also sopposed to be good sailors...I even heard tails of them sailing far into the Atlantic and hitting the New World. (Not saying its true, but also not saying its not)

I guess a conglomeration of hundred of diffrent peoples would be most likley, though I guess they did have to start somewhere...

rbis4rbb
Nov 24, 2004, 12:19 AM
They were probably a mix of Meditterenaean people.

PresidentMarcos
Nov 26, 2004, 11:23 AM
They came from as far afield as Central Asia...

Xen
Nov 26, 2004, 02:04 PM
They came from as far afield as Central Asia...

you going to have to explain that one- considering central asia has a notable lack of access to any sor tof water born route tot he med sea ;)

we're nat talking huns or mongols- were talking about people with obviosu Bornze age metalurgy skills, who were primarilly shock infantry fighty fighters, who came from the west, and were seeminglyl allied witht he lybians.

hell, even anatolia dosent fit the needed description, let alone central asia

Zakal
Nov 27, 2004, 12:03 AM
I've heard one theory that the Sea Peoples were really just out of work solders from the Egypt-Hittite wars. That doesn't make sense to me - how then did the ones that attacked Egypt from the Nile delta and Lybia get technology that Egypt didn't have? More of a big question, why couldn't the rulers of Egypt or the Hittites just attack someone else. I don't like that theory.

A kind of chain reaction of migrations makes the most sense. Apparently there was some kind of climatic shift in about the late 1100s BC. The Earth got colder, some volcanoes erupted, some earthquakes. I've read this in a lot of places, but I can't say anything about the veracity of it, but if so, I could imagine different tribes moving south no matter what the tribe north of them did. If there really was a big climatic shift, the game that they traditionally hunt would move south, the plants they traditionally grow would grow better in the south. What I mean is, there wouldn't need to be a 'chain reaction', the different tribes would move independently. I like this idea, and it's a lot more likley to be correct if the Dorians were not the Sea Peoples.

Could be the Dorians. Could be Iberians or Shardanas (both people who used horned helmets(If I'm wrong, don't kill me, Xen :p )). Could be Celts. (This is generally the time when the Hallstatt culture replaced the urnfield culture, I think. Two big groups moving south.) Could be people moving down the Italian boot and having nowhere to go at the end. Could be some Phoenician colony maybe.

I wrote a ****load to say that I don't know who they were. :D

PresidentMarcos
Nov 27, 2004, 02:45 PM
Their ANCESTORS came from Central Asia. Eventually, these Indo European peoples settled in places we associate with them now. Then another wave of Indo European peoples came, driving the first Indo Europeans, who had earlier driven the Pelasgians out, into the Mediterranean. Note: Exodus took place when Thera erupted. The tidal wave from the blast accounts for the parting of the Sea of Reeds.

bombshoo
Nov 27, 2004, 11:25 PM
Their ANCESTORS came from Central Asia. Eventually, these Indo European peoples settled in places we associate with them now. Then another wave of Indo European peoples came, driving the first Indo Europeans, who had earlier driven the Pelasgians out, into the Mediterranean. Note: Exodus took place when Thera erupted. The tidal wave from the blast accounts for the parting of the Sea of Reeds.


Its basically established all white and med people came from Central Asia...