I got Sanitation cheap from JPN, we still have to build hospitals to use it. Sure, it wasn't a swipe at you. Bulding hospitals is just one of the options I wanted to leave open for you by not re-engaging mobilization.

I'll play it by ear on the switch to COMM. What I envision is being able to setup a semi productive core on the western end of the southern continent prior to getting tanks so that we don't have as far to transport them.That would be very helpful in view of the losses we could incur while shipping them from the north, as I found to my cost. I must have lost half a dozen galleons as well as the three shiploads of units, which is why there are a couple of ironclads in build now.

And communism does somehow seem Propper :D

Sorry, I am late to this discussion. I have used Communism before and it averages the corruption amongst all your cities. While it will increase production in the south, it will pretty much cripple the northern production center. At this point, I see no reason not to try it and get a feel for its effects as we aren't going to grab any medals this time around. :cry:
BTW - Secret Police HQ is a C3C addidtion, iirc.
There are two directions of travel, to the western archipelago, where civs go to die, and east along the southern continent to England, then north through Japan towards France.
In case I wasn't very clear, I'm all for taking out the production centers of as many civs as we can in the south while Cossacks are still effective. Let all our civ buddies fight and die over in the west, there is nothing there but deserts and mountains. The most they can do is throw rocks at each other. :lol: :lol: While we relegate them to their new environments, we have time to come up with MT and AW. I think Alan's schedule is very good. As the deals expire, we send them packing to the west, only it isn't the land of milk and honey. Actually, we could probably keep some Cossacks over there to deal with the Rifles they may be able to build there as they shouldn't have many resources, if any.

Hey Mistfit, I'll have the save for you in the morning. I'm in the middle of turn 13. I'd like to atleast complete 15 turns, that should help speed up our game some.

Ok, I can live with that. I will try to have 10 or 15 done tomorrow. I was just playing some test games as the Vikings. You would not believe some of the starts I rolled. Like this one:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Holly_Cow.jpg
Unfortunately it is not a good test for a COTM as we may not see that many burgers in the whole world much less have it available to one city if placed right.

Hey Xteam -

Any chance you'd want to take me on for SGOTM6 if you end up with a vacancy? As indicated in the sign-up thread, I am comfortable on emporer level, but my experience with CivIII is limited almost excusively to a few GOTMs (so I still do things like not realize that navigation allows safe ocean travel). Absolutely no offense, of course, if you have other plans in mind, or if you end up with no space.

-WillowBrook

Hi WillowBrook :wavey:. As indicated, we're in dire need of anyone who knows how to build a temple. I think we must all be deeply atheistic in this neck of the woods :hmm:

Mistfit and the Captain have first refusal of course, but your GOTM 38 20k victory shows you can burn incense, so if no one else objects then I'll be happy to welcome you aboard.

Summary: I played 16 turns by accident - I've already fixed my error in the turn count. France is in the Modern Age and we are not. ZUL are down to 4 cities.

THE SAVE (http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm5/Xteam_SG005_AD1680_01.SAV)

Preturn - 1600AD

1 tiles city islands
Dover (ENG)
Shimonoseki (JPN)
Izumo (JPN)
Hangchow (CHN) - their capital

At war with
VIK - 4 cities
CHN - 3 cities

Alliances
none

Trade Deals (MapStat tracks this)
FRA - 19 turns
IRQ - 11 turns
JPN - 17 turns
ENG - 10 turns
KEL - 16 turns
ZUL - 5 turns
AZT - 0
CHN - 0
VIK - 0
AMR - 0
MON - 0
IND - 0

Let's try to keep this list updated in the handoff report (mainly the trades and MA's)

Our military is strong to everyone except the French. Ideally we should not attack IRQ or JPN as they are the closest to FRA and would be good to MA with but I'm not sure how much help they will be. We may be battling the French at the end of the game as the last 2 superpowers in the game. Goal is definately getting to tanks and alot of artillery. Maybe even a nice ROP of France if we can get positioned properly to create a single front with them, but that is a ways off.

I think we should finish off the western landmass and then proceed from west to east on the crescent, stopping prior to JPN and enlisting the last two to help go after France.

Based on all that I make the following deals
VIK - peace for the 3 cities, Wmap and 14 gold
JPN - give SM and CORP for SANT, ESP and Wmap - we need them to be stronger to help go after the French

Save game and post question to our thread about COMM
Decide to play some turns since I need to wait for the resistance to end in a few cities

Establish an embassy with JPN
JPN part 2 - give REF for COMM - JPN is now at tech parity with us and IRQ but we're all behind FRA

rush Market in Philly
rush the harbor in Dallas - we need an INF there to make it less attractive to the FRA
move troops
hit enter finally :clap:

Turn 311 - 1605AD
switch New York to hospital
move troops
make peace with CHN - could have tried to gain Xinjain since it on the western continent I decide to leave it for now

Turn 312 - 1610AD
move troops

IBT - ZUL are headed to a I tile island - hopefully their ship is empty

Turn 313 - 1615AD
rush a galleon in Buffalo to try to claim the 1 tile island - we should have done that a long time ago instead of leaving it open

based on our culture versus VIK and CHN I stop starving the cities on the southern continent - they are producing shield right now so let's use it

an additional coal is hooked up let's see if we can get some oil from IRQ (even though we have nothing to build which uses it)
W :eek: W - I trade coal to IRQ for Oil, Wmap, 50 gold, 6 gpt and wines
switch New York from hospital to factory
switch Moscow to factory
switch Madras to factory
switch Calcutta to factory
switch Delhi to factory
those are our top 5 shield cities - will switch more as they complete their current builds

IBT - the ZUL sail past the 1 tile island and land near a coal supply which is outside our cultural boundaries

Turn 314 - 1620AD
move troops
claim the 1 tile island with our spear

IBT - ZUL demand we move - not sure where we have violated their terr at (must have either expanded or they founded the city by the coal) - it was the first one, they expanded to an area I was amassing troops on - we have 1 turn left on the deal with them


Turn 315 - 1625AD
rush 3 INF near the ZUL borders to guard our artillery
move troops

IBT - ZUL offer DEM for SM - I decline

Turn 316 - 1630AD
Active deals with ZUL only shows peace - should be able to declare war without hurting our rep - it will take me 1 more turn to get the infantry in position - I should have rushed them a few turns earlier but it was an after thought
move more troops

IBT - some other civs learn STEEL

Turn 317 - 1635AD
hate to trade with the ZUL on the same turn I'm going to declare but they learned Steel and we have techs to trade them for it, everyone else we would have to pay gold and gpt - so I trade ZUL SM and REF for STEEL and DEM (they are still down RParts)
located all 14 ZUL cities to make sure none of ours are exposed to them

decide to take a break :beer: before starting war - save game and exit

rush 2 more INF
issue DOW on ZUL
autoraze Tugela (near Buffalo) & move troops into ZUL lands

IBT - we outlast the small counterattack - although a ZUL longbow generated a GL

Turn 318 - 1640AD
capture Tzintzuntzen which grew to size 2 last turn for us
kill the ZUL LB and GL
generate a GL of our own attacking Canton, which we capture - convert GL to an army
capture Nanking and Tsingtao

IBT - lose 2 cossacks in counterattacks

Turn 319 - 1645AD
move troops
buy 2 more INF

Turn 320 - 1650AD
capture Mpondo
Intombe has an INF inside it - need to wait for artillery

IBT - lose 1 cossack in counterattacks / TE between JPN & AZT against us ends

Turn 321 - 1655AD
Trade ivory to FRA for FREE ART, Wmap, 16gpt and 350gold - but more to help deter them from signing a MA against us

IBT - lose 1 cossack that I foolishly left by itself near the front / TE between JPN & AMR against us ends / our gem export to IRQ ends they have no money to renew it

Turn 322 - 1660AD
move troops realized I screwed up my artillery move last turn (if done properly I could have attacked with them this turn)

IBT - lose 1 INF and 1 cossack in counterattacks

Turn 323 - 1665AD
Intombe only had 1 INF in it - we capture the city
ZUL down to 7 cities will talk peace but they have nothing to give

IBT - only 1 ZUL cav attacks and retreats / IRQ demand we move our troops (I was hoping to get the nice message) sign an ROP with them instead (did not expect them to accept it, straightup)

Turn 324 - 1670AD
resistance in Intombe (size 10) ends in one turn - although I did have 15 units in it

save game for the night - I'll finish up my 15 in the AM - too tired :sleep:
restart in AM with an almost instantaneous computer crash - shut off and restart computer - everything seems OK, I'll be sure to save frequently

move troops

IBT - TE between CHN & AZT against us ends / 3 civs have COMB now & 2 have AT / FRANCE IS IN MODERN AGE :cry: (Joan is bald & in a Tshirt)

Turn 325 - 1675AD
move troops
I buy AT from IRQ for saltpeter, ivory, furs, gems, Wmap and 765 gold

Do a straightup deal with ENG giving AT for COMB (I could have gotten gpt but with their MPP with AMR I wasn't sure we wanted a gpt out there)

FRA will sell us techs but for way too much gpt - we're better off stealing

IBT - no real counterattack from ZUL again / IND and AMR have signed an MPP

Turn 326 - 1680AD
kill 2 INF and 1 pike in Bapedi and capture it with barracks, marketplace and factory
kill 2 INF and 3 impis in Zimbabwe and capture it & taking away the ZUL rubber
lose 2 cossacks to the same Impi in the capture of Isandhlwana (no INF in defense)


Notes to next player
1) I was thinking of attacking AMR, but they have a MPP with IND & ENG who could affect our shipping - also do we want any other cities close to our capital? I think we are benefiting from the palace rank bug because the western end of the southern continent is already productive

2) Because of the productive status in the south I have not changed governments and I'm not sure that we should at this point

3) I had our ship chaining route setup - load inside Santiago make 2 at sea swaps and land in Nidaros - I've also been trying to RR a path to the frontline from Nidaros (it's mostly done except for the new cities I keep taking) - but now that we can upgrade to transports you'll need to place the ships again - I moved 4 into Santiago for upgrade and rushed the harbor there

4) I'm building the Intelligence Agency so we can try our hand at stealing techs from FRA

5) I blocked off the coal area near Buffalo with troops to keep the ZUL ship from offloading a settler

6) You may not need to wait for artillery to finish off the ZUL - use 1 cossack and light up the city to see what is in defense before moving in the stack

7) pollution popped up this turn near Moscow the worker have 1 turn left on the RR so I left the pollution till next turn

8) Cities on the north side of the souther continent are productive, cities on the southern side are not

9) establish embassies before issuing any DOW we need to be aware of MPP

1 tiles city islands
Dover (ENG)
Shimonoseki (JPN)
Izumo (JPN)
Hangchow (CHN) - their capital

At war with
ZUL - 4 cities - no 1 tile islands

Alliances
none

Trade Deals (MapStat tracks this)
FRA - 15
IRQ - 19
JPN - 1
ENG - 0
KEL - 0
ZUL - 0
AZT - 0
CHN - 5
VIK - 4
AMR - 0
MON - 0
IND - 0

Nice!! :goodjob: Gator, a conquerer and a trader! :beer:

Nice to see some good tech progress and now its on to the Zulu. France is in the modern age, hope they go fo rocketry and not computers.

Good luck Mistfit!! :hammer: :beer: :banana:

Here's a quick look at our new cities

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Xteam05_11.jpg

I think I need to stay in the shadows so if mistfit is set on leaving, we have 2 vacancies for the next game.

Nice turns Gator! I've got it. I will see how much I can play today. I'l try to avoid the list of chores the wife had planned :evil:

DA Save (http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm5/Xteam_SG005_AD1740_01.SAV)

Good
Zulu ~ Down to a few cities (unfortunately we need marines for them too. Sorry)
Mongols ~ down to 3 cities (none on 1 tile islands)
We have stolen Flight and Traded for Electronics and have the cash to attempt a Carefull steal right now for MT.
We own smiths and battlefield med
We are making almost 500gpt
I think I have the majority of the core northern cities optomized.

The Bad -
I cannot trade for oil for less than 350gpt with anyone.
The French are building SETI
The Mongols were a ***** to take out! the Wonder city must have had 12-15 Infantry in it.

The Ugly -
ME>>> :crazyeye:
Pre-turn: Look around for 1/2 an hour and move a few troops then hit enter.

IBT:
Trade Embargo against us ends between the Mongols and Vikings
Loose wool
The Keltoi guy pops up and decides he thinks its a good idea for us to keep giving him gems and incense while he give us nothing. I decline and we have no outstanding deals with him at this point.
Santiago harbor to transport

Turn 1 (1695AD)
Upgrade 4 Galleons to Transports in Santiago for 320 gold
Move our workers to clean polution in Moscow.
Upgrade 2 more galleons to transports for 80 a piece.
Move troops into position to attack the Zulu

IBT:
Moscow Hospital to Cossack
Memphis Aqueduct to Cossack

Turn 2 (1690 AD)
Move Troops and Transports to try to set up a chain :hmm:

Attack Hlobane
No losses -vs- vRifle and vPike Take city and set it to starve.

Get Arti into place for the Zulu captiol. The only thing that worries me is that it will jump to Swazi if I take the city. Their two remaining cities are both size six. Lets just hope that they have more troops in the mainland one.

Build an Embassy with the Mongols
Karakorum is size 15
Building the Stock Exchange due in 6
He owns Smiths...Nice
Garrisoned with 2 rifles and 3 Infantry

IBT:
Resistance ends in Zimbabwe
Madras Cossack to Cossack
Canton riots as it came out of resistance.
New Orleans Aqueduct to Arti
The zulu move 2 troops out of Ulundi for me...how nice of them

Build an embassy with the Keltio

Entremont is building the Intelligence Agency in 12 turn
Garrisoned with 3 rifles and 1 spear
He seems to be at peace with everyone and no MA's

Turn 3 1695AD

The Zulu town of Swazi goes to size seven and the 1 tile island is at size six so I decide to attack

Bombard Ulundi
Kill 5 of their citizens whreck their bank, barracks and temple and damage 2 units.
Loose one Cossack and redline 2 gaining one elite vs 2 Infantry 3 Rifles
Take the city with 6 resistors.
Damn the capitol moves to the island instead of the mainland...

Move troops to ready for the mongols

The Zulu still will not give us anything for peace.

IBT:
Madrid Cossack to Cossack
Our people want Battlefield Medicine
Zimbabwe Rax to worker
Philli Arti to Arti
Seville Cossack to Cossack
Lahore Cossack to Cossack

Turn 4 1700 AD
Declare war on the mongols and move in troops
Switch Calcutta from hospital to Battlefield Med due in 12

IBT:
Take 2 casulities on the counterattack. Lots of junk units running around from them
Delhi Hospital to Cossack
Orebro Courthouse to Cossack
Moscow cossack to worker
Intel Agency Built
New York Intell to Cossack

FRENCH BUILDING THE SETI!!!

Turn 5 1705AD
Tough turn

RNG was not with me. Lost 6 units attacking Almarikh and they still have lots of units left. I'll have to wait for arti

Take Kazan with little problem

Auto Raze a city on the west chain...I cannot remember the name

Take Tsetserleg from the Mongold on the West chain no losses

I look into stealing a tech from the French but moderate would cost 2434 gold and I only have 2105. Will wait.

IBT:
Loose 2 units to counterattack

Turn 6 1710AD
Raze Barun urt
Set up troops
mop up a few stragler units.

Bombard the hell out of Almarik..take out the Rax,bank, police station and 5 citizens leaving only redlined and 1 2hp infantry alive.

Attack the 2 hp eInfantry with our fully healed Cossack army and it dies only doing one damage

Clean up the rest of the units and get another leader. I make an army with him. I call him Revenge of the Mongoloid. Kill one more unit and take the city.

I try to carefully steal a tech from the French and we succeed. I cost aprox 2400 gold. I choose Flight as our steal as it seems like that one is most expensive.

I then buy Mass production from Joan for 12gpt - WM - Gems - Another Lux and 300 gold.

IBT:
Loose oil and
Loose wine
Hiawatha would not deal for less then our whole treasury and all of our techs plus 110 gpt for getting it back.

Turn 7 1720AD

Set up for the next wave of attacks
Set up airports on all 3 land masses. Geepers those are expensive (I did not rush them yet)

Attack on The Capital of the Mongols Kara...something. Bombard the heck out of it bringing it down to size 10. Attacked 2 4hp infantry with our Armiws and lost both :( loose one more unit so I decide to wait a turn and try to bombard again.

Attack and take Tabriz no losses.

IBT:
No Counter attack to speak of
The English drop a settler pair by the razed mongol city in the west

Turn 8 1730AD
I notice that the Americans have extra cash so I trade them Atomic theory for WM 58gpt and 120 gold.

A piss poor round of bombardment and I still cannot take the city

IBT:
Philie roits at size 10 :hmm: I missed that one
Resistance ends at Tabriz and riots.

Turn 9 1735AD
Now that is how bombardment is supposed to work. Kill off 5 citizens and prettymuch redline the bunch. Lemme see if I can take the city now!

Good lord they must have had 15 infantry in there. We suffered some pretty big losses but the city is ours with Smith's trading Company

Japan - england and the irriquois learn Electronics. I trade the Iroquois Flight and coal for it. He throws in WM and Wines

IBT:
A small counterattack but we actually win against the infantry and go elite
Battlefield Med is learned
Japan is building Hoovers

Turn 10 1740AD
Bombard most of the units in TA-TU down to red or yellow. Attack with some minor casualties and take the city.

Move and work

Ending Report:

I'll stop here as the majority of the Mongol hordes are gone. Notes. We should have enough cash next turn to steal MT. Then we have to figure out how to get oil and start pumping out those tanks. I think I have the ship chain thing right from the northern isle to the southern one. America would give us 80 gold and 12 gpt for MP. This would actually give you the cash to do the steal this turn if you've got the guts. I really worry about the dang French catching us and declaring war on us too early.

Having fun with that Infantry, Mistfit? :rolleyes: Sounds like you had some good fights!! :goodjob:

I've got it and will try to do some damage tomorrow evening. Time to go and :sleep: on it for now. Dreams of :ar15: dancing in my head.

Doesn't look like you got much done on the wife's To Do list Mistfit!! :lol: :lol: I hope I can get away with the same..... :mischief:

Well played guys.

@Mistfit: That was a very fast turnround :eek: 30 minutes between Gator's post and yours, and it included 30 minutes thinking time :)

I'm not sure where the Zulus got that one tile capital from. It wasn't on either of Gator's lists :confused:

Mistfit Just played
DJMGator13
leif eriksonUP
AlanH On deck
Capt Buttkick Still building in the shadows

@WillowBrook: If you are still there, it looks as if the Captain is not up for SGOTM6, so if no one has any problems ...?

Well played guys.

@Mistfit: That was a very fast turnround :eek: 30 minutes between Gator's post and yours, and it included 30 minutes thinking time :)

Actually there is over 12 hours between my posted "got it" and when I was able to turn in the report. That turn set was played between getting about 1/3 of the 'honeydo" list completed and going bowling with my son.

The Zulu capital was on the mainland and they had 2 towns left one on the island and one on the mainland. The one on the mainland had hit size 7 whilst the one on the island was 6 so I figured I was safe attacking. They must have had more units in their island home than on the mainland because thats where the capital went :(

Whoops :blush: Missed the AM/PM difference. I'm too used to 24 hour clocks. Still a fast turn-round though. And well done getting to the todo list as well.

I've been looking at the save. We have an interesting problem. As stated earlier, the only civs with oil are France and Iroquois. They both want about 310 GPT for oil, plus all the gold in the treasury.

France wants 110 GPT and all the gold in the treasury for MT (interesting that all the most desired techs for warmongers both have initials MT). I have a feeling that if we buy MT, we will not be able to get oil as the value drops when more than 1 civ owns a tech.

The options I have come up with are:
1. Research MT, it requires 7 turns at 100%, losing 31 GPT. Once we have MT, trade it along with whatever GPT the Iroq. want and get tank production under way.

2. Buy MT from France and see if we can sell it to the Iroquois for oil.

3. Put together an attack forces and head fro the extreme northern end of the southern continent and try to take and hold Snagha and Bengal, which are rich with oil.

I think the safest option is number 1, but we lose time (which at this point is probably no big deal). Numbers 2 and 3, imho, are very risky. It would really stink to have MT and no oil, and no way to get oil for 20 turns. Attacking the northern area would give us oil, if there we can hold it with Cossacks and Infantry. ;)

I've talked myself into option 1?? :D

When Gator firt traded for oil he got it relatively cheap by trading coal. What changed? They obviously still wanted coal when the first deal expired, because Mistfit swapped it for Electronics later :confused:

Just checked the deals. The Iroquois have a coal for wines deal with us that will last another 19 turns. :eek: However, in 7 turns a deal will expire with them in which we gave them saltpeter. If we self-research MT, completed in 7 turns, that will compliment nicely the expiration of the saltpeter deal. I hope that the Iroquois would give us a discount in an oil for saltpeter deal.

Looks pretty straight forward to me, now? ;)

EDIT - From Mistfit's turn log.
Japan - england and the irriquois learn Electronics. I trade the Iroquois Flight and coal for it. He throws in WM and Wines.

IBT 1720 Hiawatha pops up and says that he has no interest in re-upping the deal with us on the coal. If I tried to renegotiate it he wanted all of our treasury to keep it going. Seeing that we had no use for it at the time I declined. When the trade for Electronics came available I jumped on it. This in hindsight may have been a mistake.

@ leif. Do not even try to take Englidh cities unless you have pounded them for a turn or 2 with the Arti. If they have anywhere near the units that the mongols had this will be a pretty slow attack.

This in hindsight may have been a mistake.
I'm not so sure of this. If you see my previous post, they will need saltpeter, I hope. If not, 7 turns will, hopefully, fix the problem.
@ leif. Do not even try to take English cities unless you have pounded them for a turn or 2 with the Arti. If they have anywhere near the units that the mongols had this will be a pretty slow attack.
Thanks. Wouldn't think of going anywhere without artillery against Infantry. Hate to slow the momentum, but reality may force me into it. Between getting MT, oil and building an army of tanks, I think we have a little time. After all, 2050 is getting closer, isn't it!! :eek: :cry:

This is one of the first games for me that have lasted long enough for me to have to put up a real battle against Infantry so this is kinda new to me. Those buggars are scary!

Not sure what the builds are but if we are close to tanks it might be worth changing all cossack build to artillery. We need a real large stack of artillery to be able to redline all infantry in a city in one turn because they will heal if it takes more than one.

But if we can't trade for any oil should we build some marines (if they are modded to 12 attack)? With the speed of artillery marines would be OK.

A quick update. I'm on my 8th turn. We have Motorized Transport and we have oil. We paid dearly for the oil, Ivory, Saltpeter, WM, 2307 Gold and 285 GPT. :eek:

We are at war with England, London has been obliterated (sorry Alan :p ), and we got sneak attacked by the Aztecs. They took a couple of cities, but it won't last, except way over on the extreme west where it'll take a while to get there.

We have 13 cities building tanks. The question is whether to mobilize the economy. Of the 13, all but 3 will shave at least a turn, and some of them 2, from mobilization. I'm tempted to do it but thought I should ask to see if there is a good reason not to? Especially since it is late and my eyelids are hanging! :lol: :lol: I havbe to go through the cities in the morning and make sure we're getting the most we can from each.

@Gator, I saw your post a couple of turns ago and did build some more arty. I think we have 30 some pieces now and more on the way.

The Iroquois discovered MT a turn before we did, so they can now build tanks tro fight France as well, I hope.

OK, time for some :sleep:

We're in yet another tight spot!! :rolleyes: I stopped because whoever is next has some interesting choices to make. France will complete the U.N. in 16 turns in Lyon. :eek: A screenie will be attached of the city view of Lyon and was taken one turn ago. England is about half finished, but the forces there should be able to complete the job. We have Tanks and the northern continent is pumping them out at one per 2 to 4 turns per city producing them, in most cases. Our economy is mobilized for war, so we are getting some extra shields for military builds.

Mistfit's plan, imho, is a good starting point for invading France and targeting Lyon to interrupt the U.N. build. We have 16 turns to implement it. I did NOT move any of the new units on the northern continent nor the transports because I wasn't sure what the team would want to do next. I would recommend we consider building an Army of Tanks and Artillery on the northern continent for shipment to the Lyon area.

Here is << THE SAVE >> (http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm5/Xteam_SG005_AD1772_01.SAV)

Here is the turn log:
Turn 338 – 1740 AD
Pre-flight.
1 tiles city islands
Dover (ENG)
Shimonoseki (JPN)
Izumo (JPN)
Hangchow (CHN) - their capital
Ngome (Zulu) – their capital

At war with
Zulu - 2 cities
Mongols - 4 cities

Alliances
none

Trade Deals (MapStat tracks this)
FRA - 15 turns
IRQ - 19 turns
JPN – 9 turns peace
ENG - 0
KEL - 0
ZUL - 0
AZT - 0
CHN - 0
VIK - 0
AMR – 18 turns
MON - 0
IND - 0

Unfortunately, Gnome is out of artillery range!
Set research slider to 100%, losing 31 GPT.
Press enter.

IBT
Iroquois and China have signed a Mutual Protection Pact.
The Vikings request an audience. They want to trade World Maps, see ya!
The English have a lot of Ironclads!
Moscow Cossack => Cossack.
NY Cossack => Cossack.
Elephantine Courthouse => Marketplace.
Lahore Cossack => Cossack.
Baltimore Artillery => Artillery.

Turn 339 – 1745 AD
Move a lot of workers around.
Heal Cossacks up in the south.
Move Artillery ready for assualt of England.

IBT
The Iroquois plant a city way wets, near
Dehli Cossack => Cossack.
Washington Factory => Cossack.
Bombay Cossack => Cossack.
Madras Cossack => Library.
Calcutta Cossack => Cossack.
Atlanta Cossack => Cossack.
The city of Almarikh has flipped to the Mongols.
Lots of starvation.
The Iroquopis are building Hoover Dam.

Turn 340 – 1750 AD
Change build in Darhan to Library.
Almarikh has a Reg Rifle in it, time to take it back.
Attack with a Vet Cossack and retreat, no damage.
Vet Cossack attacks and kills the rifle losing 2 HP. We install another governor and have 2 resisters. Start a Rax.
Move some Cossacks from north to south.

IBT
The English have a Galleon sailing along our northern continent coast with an Ironclad escort.
The Japanese request an audience. They want to trade territory maps, OK.
Orebro Cossack => Cossack.
New York Cossack => Cossack.
Memphis Cossack => Cossack.
Boston Factory => Cossack.
Madras Library => Cossack.
Lots of starvation.

Turn 341 – 1752 AD
Adjust research slider to 90%, still MT in 4 turns.
Move some Cossacks up to English border.

IBT
The Mongols come to visit and want peace. They don’t want to give up cities, so no deal.
The French come to visit and want to give us 16 GPT for our Ivory, I agree.
Madrid Cossack => Cossack.
Moscow Cossack => Cossack.
Bjoergvin Artillery => Artillery.
Calcutta Cossack => Cossack.
Thebes Factory => Library.
Chittagong Cosack => Cossack.
Snagarst Aqueduct => Marketplace.

Turn 342 – 1754 AD
After checking for MPP, declare war on England.
Take 2 HP from a Vet Eng Inf with arty.
Cossack redlines and another kills an Eng Inf.
Kill a Vet Rifle with 2 Cossacks, one redlines and retreats, 1 loses 1 HP.
Read post by Gator concerning quantity of artillery. We have 63 Cossacks and 23 Artillery and are 3 turns from Motorized Transportation. Change 6 Cossack builds to artillery as we’ll still need Cossacks to deal with the English.
Closed CRpMapStat by accident. Save game, reload CRpMapStat and restart game.

IBT
Lots of Ironclads bombard with some successes.
Lose 1 Cossack to counters but kill an Infantry.
Two Cossacks retreat. We drew 3 Infantry and a Militia out of London.
A Transport also left London, anything aboard?
Delhi Cossack => Artillery.
New York Cossack => Artillery.
Madras Cossack => Artillery.
Seville Airport => Marketplace.
Bangalore Artillery => Artillery.
Tabriz flips to the Mongols along with 3 Cossacks.

Turn 343 – 1756 AD
Battle of Tabriz
Artillery takes 1 HP from a Reg Rifle.
4/4 Cossack attacks and loses, redlining the Rifle, Rifle promotes.
4/4 Cossack attacks and kills the Rifle. We install a new governor.

Move artillery into position near London and Nottingham.
Transport more Cossacks and Artillery to the southern continent.

IBT
England counterattacks and gets 2 Cossacks to retreat and they have a redlined Infantry and a 2/4 Infantry about to attack Ta-Tu. They also have a 4/4 Infantry outside Karakorum.
Hiawatha wants a right of passage, I agree.
France demands our Territory Map and 100 Gold, I give in.
The Aztecs are moving as though they are going to attacks some of our cities.
Nidiros Artillery => Artillery.
Washington Cossack => Cossack.
Bombay Cossack => Cossack.
Shanghai Artillery => Artillery.
Philadelphia riots so we hire a taxman.
Calcutta Artillery => Artillery.
Atlanta Cossack => Artillery.
Alexandria Cossack => Cossack.

Turn 344 – 1758 AD
Battle for London
An extended bombardment of 22 artillery units redlines all th eunits in London and destroys a Stock Exchange anda Barracks along with several pop points. The Cossacks go in.
Kills a (1/2) Inf, redlining.
1/3 Inf kills a Cossack and promotes.
2/4 Inf kills a Cossack, no damage.
2/4 Inf kills a Cossack, promotes.
3/5 Inf retreats a Cossack, no damage.
3/5 Inf retreats a Cossack, no damage.
3/5 Inf kills a Cossack, no damage.
3/5 Inf kills a Cossack, no damage. This is brutal!!
3/5 Inf kills a Cossack, no damage.
3/5 Inf, finally, dies, redlining the Cossack.
1/3 Inf kills an Elite Cossack.
1/3 Inf dies, redlining a Cossack.
1/2 Inf dies, redlining a Cossack.
1/4 Militia dies, the Cossack in undamaged. We take London.
We install a governor and there are 14 resisters in London and it has a Marketplace, Hospital and a Harbor.
I pull everything out of London and abandon it. Misclick sends 6 redlined Cossacks 1 square away from the safe haven of a Cossack Army!
Change research slider to 60%, MT in one turn.
From CrpMapStat we learn that the Iroquois have MT.

IBT
The Aztecs declare war on us.
We lose Tabriz and 16 Gold to the Aztecs (2 Reg Knights defeated 2 Cossacks, one of which was redlined)
We lose Kalmar to the Aztecs, it was undefended.
We learn Motorized Transportation. Set research to Amphibious Warfare at 0%. Got to test the market before one researches.
Moscow Cossack => Cossack.
New York Artillery => Artillery.
Madras Artillery => Artillery.
Order restored to Phillidelphia.
Chicago Cossack => Cossack.
Seattle Harbor => Artillery.
San Fransisco Factory => Cossack.
Houston Aqueduct => Marketplace.
El-Amarna Barracks => Infantry.
New Orleans Artillery => Artillery.
Thebes Library => Cossack.

Turn 345 – 1760 AD
I visit the Iroquois and ask for Oil. They only want Ivory, Saltpeter, WM, 2307 Gold and 335 GPT! We give him everything he wants except GPT, that changes to 285 GPT, ouch. He agrees. We now have MT and Oil and are making 196 GPT. Time to change build to Tanks.
Moscow Tank in 4 turns. The question now is whether to mobilize th eeconomy to war. It will take 1 turn off of a Tank build in Moscow. Let’s see what else it will do?
Change the following to Tanks: New York (2 turns), Washington (4 turns, Mob = 3), Calcutta (2 turns), Madras (3 turns, Mob = 2), Delhi (3 turns, Mob = 2), Bombay (4 turns, Mob = 3), Atlanta (5 turns, Mob = 4), Thebs (6 turns, Mob = 5), Madrid (6 turns, Mob = 5), San Francisco (7 turns, Mob = 5), Boston (6 turns, Mob = 5), Chittagong (5 turns)
Change Alexandria to Artillery.
Change Seville to Bomber.
Decide to post and go to bed and look again tomorrow as it is getting late.
OK, Place toothpicks in eyes and try to continue.
I decide to fight the battle and return to MM when they are done.

Battle of Tabriz.
Arty fire takes a HP off a Knight, defeat 2 Knights and retake Tabriz, one Cossack no damage the other redlined. Start a Rax.

Battle of Nottingham.
Fire a 22 Gun salute to Nottingham’s defenders.
Destroy the Stock Exchange, Bank and Cathedral, reduce the pop by 5 points and redline the 3 infantry units in the city.
4/4 Cossack attacks 1/2 Inf and kills him, no damage.
4/4 Cossack attacks 1/3 Inf and dies.
4/4 Cossack attacks 1/3 Inf and kills him, 3/4.
4/4 Cossack attacks 1/3 Inf and dies.
4/4 Cossack attacks 1/3 Inf and kills him flawlessly, we take Nottingham and install a new governor. There are 6 resisters and Nottingham has a Rax and a Marketplace, so we keep it, start an Infantry.

Kill all Aztec units and 2 English redlined Infantry, float some more Artillery and a Cossack from the north to the south.
Recon Ulaanbaatar and find a Reg Infantry, wait for Arty support.

In the west, attack the English city of Danbury, 4/4 Cossack versus a 3/3 Spear. After redlining, the Cossack defats the Spear and we destroy the city and an Ironclad.

Decide to Mobilize the economy to produce Tanks faster.
MM Moscow for a Tank in 2 turns.
Assign a Scientist in Qitaimjorg, 40 turns to Amphibious Warfare.
Everything else look spretty good, so we move on.

IBT
America and Zululand have signed a Trade Embargo against us.
An English Ironclad and Transport sjow up near Dalandzadgad, SE of Moscow.
The Japanese are mad at us for having a Cossack in their territory (I am trying to move on eto attack Aztec cities in the west). I promise to leave their territory.
Oh no, France and America sign a Mutual Protection Pact.
Delhi Tank => Tank.
Calcutta Tank => Tank.
Chittagong Tank => Tank.
We are notified the French are building The United Nations and The Manhattan Project.
Marseilles has completed The SETI Project.

Turn 346 – 1762 AD
Upgrade a Galleon to a Transport for 80 gold.
Move Artillery towards the new English Capital, York. Man, is this slow!!
Move Tanks to the Southern Continent.
In destroying some malingering Aztec and English units, Leif’s Cossack produces another useless Great Leader, Stalin.
Make Stalin into an Army and load the three new Tanks into it. I did this because Tanks can blitz, more than 1 attack per turn, so the Army should be able to as well, I hope. Move the Tank Army towards York.
Move some Cossacks SE of Moscow as a Transport comes in during the interturn. Moscow will also produce its first Tank.
CrpMapStat says Nottingham has a 13.5% chance of flipping, so I move out some Cossacks. There is artiullery in there I cannot move.
Hold my Breath and press enter.

IBT
The Aztec take Jonkoping.
We lose a Cossack while the English lose an Inf during counterattacks.
The English land an Infantry SE of Moscow.
Madrid Tank => Tank.
Washington Tank => Tank.
Moscow Tank => Tank.
NY Tank => Tank.
Memphis Artillery => Artillery.
Boston Tank => Tank.
Madras Tank => Tank.
LaHore Artillery => Artillery.
CrpMapStat pops up and wanrs me that Philadelphia is about to riot. I like this!!

Turn 347 – 1764 AD
Change the Taxman into a Clown in Philadelphia.
Battle for Ulaanbaatar – check to make sure they have no 1 tile islands.
Bombard with Artillery – with 3 shots, we redline the only Infantry protecting it.
4/4 Cossack attacks 1/3 Inf and we take the city with 1 resister. Start a Harbor.

Tank from Moscow attacks English Infantry and loses, Inf now 2/4.
5/5 Cossack attacks 2/4 Inf and kills him, redlining.

Shuffle tanks and transports around.

Kill Aztec and English stragglers.

IBT
We get bombarded by English Ironclads.
An English Infantry attacks a Tank and the Tank retreats, leaving the Inf 2/4.
The Aztecs and Chinese sign a Trade Embargo against us.
Delhi Tank => Tank.
Bombay Tank => Tank, pollution in Bombay.
Calcutta Tank => Tank.
Atlanta Tank => Tank.
Toledo Artillery => Artillery.
Pollution in San Fransisco.

Turn 348 – 1766 AD
Move units for shipment south.
Bombard English Ironclads with Artillery near Ta Tu. Redline 3 Ironclads.
Move Atillery units to attack both York and Warwick.

IBT
The Vikings and Aztecs have signed a Trade Embargo against us.
Orebro Cossack => Artillery.
Moscow Tank => Tank.
NY Tank => Tank.
Madras Tank => Tank.
Nottingham has flipped taking a Tank with it.
Seville Bomber => Bomber.
Thebes Tank => Tank.
Darhan Library => Rax.

Turn 349 – 1768 AD
Rebase Bomber in Ta Tu.

Battle to re-take Nottingham.
Artillery fire at the 3/3 Infantry – takes 1 HP.
4/4 Cossack attacks 2/3 Inf and retreats redlined, no damage.
4/4 Cossack attacks 2/3 Inf. and dies, Inf 1/3.
4/4 Cossack attacks 1/3 Inf and dies, Inf promotes.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 Inf and we take Nottingham plus 2 Gold. Install a governor and barracks is gone but Marketplace remains, 5 resisters. Start a Rax.

Battle of York
22 Gun Artillery Salute destroys the Stock Exchange, Barrack, 3 pop points, and, of the 5 Vet Infantry Units in the city, we redlined 1, took 2 HP from a second and the other three lost 1 HP each. Wait a turn to attack as the city is on a hill.

Change Clown to Taxman in Philadelphia.

IBT
English Infantry approaches Nottingham.
Delhi Tank => Tank.
Nidaros Artillery => Artillery.
Washington Tank => Tank.
Heliopolis Cossack => Cossack.
Calcutta Tank => Tank.
San Fransisco Tank => Tank.
Chittagong Tank => Tank.
Baltimore Artillery => Artillery.
The French City of Makkah has completed Hoover’s Dam.

Turn 350 – 1770 AD
Forgot to check on France’s UN build. F7 says it is being built in Lyons. Investigate Lyon for 321 Gold. To get a screen shot I have to exit the game and start a new program. It comes back up and we take a screenie. France will have the UN completed in 17 turns!

Bomber bombs Newcastle and kills some citizens.

Mount a small attack on the Aztecs in the west, transport has 2 Cossacks but they couldn’t be unloaded this turn.

Attack is set up for Canterbury.

Battle of York, Phase 2
22 Gun barrage nets a Temple, Marketplace, Library, Bank, 3 Pop points and 3 damaged Vet Infantry units. There is an untouched conscript Infantry.
4/4 Tank attacks a 2/2 Inf and the tank dies, inflicting 1 HP.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/2 Inf and kills him, losing 1 HP.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 Inf and dies, Inf 1/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 Inf and kills him, redlining.
12/12 Tank Army attacks 2/4 Inf and kills him, 11/12.
4/4 Cossack attacks 2/4 Inf and dies, Inf 2/5.
4/4 Cossack attacks 2/5 Inf and kills him, 2/4.
4/4 Cossack attacks 1/2 Inf and dies, Inf 2/3.
4/4 Cossack attacks 2/3 Inf and kills him, 3/4.
5/5 Cossack attacks 1/4 Inf and kills him, taking York. We install a governor and there are 12 resisters. York has a Hospital and a Police Station and I decide to keep it for the attack on Warwick.

IBT
The Vikings and Mongols have signed a Trade Embargo against us.
Two English Infantry move in around York.
Japan and the Aztecs sign a Trade Embargo against us.
Madrid Tank => Tank.
Moscow Tank => Tank.
Bombay Tank => Tank.
New York Tank => Tank.
Memphis Artillery => Artillery.
Madras Tank => Tank.
Atlanta Tank => Tank.

Turn 351 – 1772 AD
Battle for Canterbury.
Artillery barrage of 8 units destroys a Temple, reduces the pop by 2 points, and damages 2 Infantry units.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Inf and dies, Inf is 3/3.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Inf and retreats, Inf is 3/3.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Inf and kills him flawlessly.
4/4 tank attacks 2/3 Inf and kills him, Tank redlines.
5/5 tank attacks 1/3 Inf and kills him flawlessly, taking Canterbury. We install a new governor and there are 9 resisters, a Marketplace, Aqueduct and Stock Exchange. We keep it for now. Start a Rax.
Move redlined tanks to Kazan as it has a Rax.

Near York.
4/4 Tank attacks a 4/4 Inf and kills him, 2/4 but promotes to 3/5.
11/12 Army attacks a redlined Inf on hill above York and kills him, 9/12.

Bomber bombs New castle and kills some citizens.

Battle of Warwick.
Bombard Warwick with 21 Artillery units and destroy Barracks, Colesseum, 3 pop points and the 3 defenders are all redlined (1/3, 1/3 and a 1/2 Inf)
4/4 Cossack attacks 1/2 Inf and kills him without damage.
4/4 Cossack attacks 1/3 Inf and dies, Inf to 2/4.
More bombardment – 1 more pop point lost and 2/4 Inf to 1/4.
4/4 Cossack attacks 1/3 Inf and kills him and promotes, now 3/5.
5/5 Cossack attacks 1/4 Inf and kills him, taking Warwick. We install a governor and there are 6 resisters. Warwick has a Marketplace, Aqueduct, Bank and Police Station, we keep it for now. Start a Rax.

Time to pass it on – After Action Report.
France will complete United Nations in 16 turns. England will sue for peace but won’t give enough for it, imho. We should have enough force in England to finish them off. The units in the northern continent have not been moved, nor have the transports. I think we need to start moving resources towards the eastern end of the northern continent for an assualt on France, particularly on Lyons and the U.N. I am stopping now to allow for discussion and to give the next player time to work through that strategy and decision.

The Zulu will take peace for their remaining non-capital city plus a little gold, etc.
The Mongols will take peace for 1 of their cities.
The Aztecs refuse to talk.
The English will take peace for a city, but not the single tile island city, so no good.

Following Gator’s request:

1 tiles city islands
Dover (ENG)
Shimonoseki (JPN)
Izumo (JPN)
Hangchow (CHN) - their capital
Ngome (Zulu) – their capital

At war with
Zulu - 2 cities
Mongols - 3 cities
Aztecs –
England – 7 cities.

Alliances
none

Trade Deals (MapStat tracks this)
FRA - 12 turns
IRQ - 14 turns
JPN – 0
ENG - 0
KEL - 0
ZUL - 0
AZT - 0
CHN - 0
VIK - 0
AMR – 5 turns
MON - 0
IND - 0

Good Luck!! Tanks sure beat Cossacks against Inf.

Here is the screenie:

Good turns leif!

Initial thoughts:
1.) Does anyone in the world need rubber or coal? We have one source of each unconnected.
2.) Flip chances:
York 15-30%
Canterbury 10-22%
Warwick 7-16%
Nottingham 3.5-7%

3.) Can we time our war with the French with the completion of the UN. Declare on them the turn or 2 before they finish it and wait for it to be built to take it and raze the city so no vote can be held?

4.) I think we should be dastardly and pilliage every tile around Paris to ruin their rep and ability to make deals with our armies at the beginning of the war. This will also keep them from being able to make deals during the war.

There are a lot of Trade Embargos against us. I also didn't do many deals because I didn't want to have to break deals in order to invade them whoever. Oil is way too expensive now!! :eek:

iirc, the interturn on which the U.N. is built will have the first vote. If we wait until it is built, then we have to survive the vote. I don't think we will as nearly everyone is furious with us. Hitting it the turn before would be nice! :mischief: I also didn't plant any spies as th erisk of a premature war was not worth it. Perhaps we should give it a try a few turns before the U.N. completes.

Pillaging of the type your advocating, I think, would require ROP Rape. I'm certainly not against this, but getting an ROP may be the hardest part of the strategy. ;)

imho, we need an ROP with the Iroquois and start building forces in his little enclave near Paris and Lyon. If we can get, make that afford, an ROP with France, so much the better. Also, we have oil for 14 more turns and really need it a lot longer. :rolleyes:

2 transports, an army, and some explorers sent to Paris on the 1st turn of the war could be used to pilliage the tiles around the Capital.

That sounds like a low shield solution to me! :goodjob: Tackling Lyon, with 5 Mech Inf and some Arty will not be so easy. We're going to need a bunch of our Arty to "soften things up". :D

I forgot to check when Manhattan Project will be completed. It may take a little while, but nukes against us won't be pretty. :sad:

Good work leif :goodjob:

Mistfit On deck
DJMGator13
leif erikson] Just played
AlanH UP

Capt Buttkick Still skipping

Looks like it's me again. One way or another we have to remove the French UN option in the next 16 :eek:

I haven't looked at the save yet, but one option seems to be to attack the French and capture a source of oil from them on or before turn 14. I'll have a look around tonight and see what I can come up with.

Here's an idea - don't know if it will work

We can buy Radio from France for 858gold and 106gpt. Then we have to hope that we get a tech that JPN & IRQ do not have as our free tech. Then sign MPP with everyone we can except FRA and then we declare on FRA and draw everyone else in. We need a tech to offer to get the MPP, currently IRQ and JPN won't sign. We could also eliminate AMR, VIK and MON as quick as possible to get rid of 3 FRA votes, but if we can get a MPP with them and draw them in then they will abstain in a vote.

That's about the only thing I can think of other than an all out assualt on the FRA city once it builds the UN and raze it like Mistfit suggested.

Our freebie will be Rocketry as it's vanilla. If we can't stop the vote going to France then we have to raze Lyons before they complete the UN, as they get to hold the vote immediately.

Neither FRA, IRQ or JPN are scientific so there is a good chance we would be able to trade with JPN and IRQ for the MPP by giving up the tech. We would need to sign as many MPPs as possible because we have no choice but to attack FRA. If FRA does not have the tech we get then we could use it to get an ROP with FRA as well and be in a position to attack the UN build city and pillage their capital on the opening turn of the war and the IBT should bring on the dogpile when FRA attacks our pillaging units.

You might as well try to play out the 15-16 turns to the UN when you play. There's no rush if you want to wait for other comments. If we fail we'll lose the UN vote. I looked at the cities that France own and I think they have only been at war with ARB which they eliminated, except for any of the phony wars we were able to sign earlier in the game.

EDIT: Based on Mistfit's map in post 188 it looks like France has indeed only been at war with ARB - and -

A summary:
We are at war with America as are Spain and India.
We are at war with Egypt as is Spain, India has begged out and made peace.
We are at war with the Mongols, alone.
We are at war with France, alone.
We are at war with China as are the Zulus.

Gator's gambit sounds like a good bet, although it would be icing on the cake to get an ROP along with the MPP's. To get an ROP with France would be even better, if that's possible. Then Mistfit's idea of some Explorers, at 20 shields each, to tear up Paris, while sending the Tanks and Artillery for Lyons might just get us started. I'm not sure how long we'll last, but it is a lot better to go down fighting than to lose to a U.N. vote. :p

The other thought I had was that we could get France to start the war with us. Simply try to plant a spy and if we fail, Joannie Baby will declare on us. At least civs always do when I have played that far into a game. If we succeed in planting the spy, we can see what the cost would be to mess with the U.N. build. My guess, with that many shields invested, is that the cost will be astronomical!! :eek: But it s worth a try.

Alan, I agree with Gator. If you have the time and wish to do so, please play the next 16 to 20 turns. Good luck my friend. :cool: :thumbsup: :rockon:

OK, I've got it, and will try to play up to the UN completion tonight.

One question: We can get Radio from the Iroquois for less if we give them lux as well. As we need to do that deal soon, would it be better to do it with Iroquois than with France? It would leave us more gpt to rush things with between now and the DoW on France.

We have a GPT deal with France for 10 more turns. (my turn log is incorrect, I saw 12 GPT and thought it was 12 turns, oops :blush: ) I see no disadvantages to trading with the Iroquois. They need more lux and we have them. We would like to have more GPT and the trade gives us more. :D

I also see that Amphibious War is available from Iroquois and Japan. Perhaps in the MPP deal with Japan, we could pick it up? ;)

I looked at the gpt deal with FRA because it would end when we declared on them. If we do the deal for Radio with the IRQ we have to pay them for the full 20 turns.

I'll take a look at the difference between paying France for 14 turns, say, at the high rate, and paying Iroquois for 20 turns at the lower rate. Also, we probably need rush cash now more than we'll need it after we declare.

The decision had been made final. I will not be participaring in the next SGOTM. Thanks.

@Alan - you may need to make peace with evryone before trying to sign the MPP.

@Mistfit - Sorry to hear you won't be playing the next one. Hopefully it's only a temporary absence.

The decision had been made final. I will not be participaring in the next SGOTM. Thanks.
I hope it's not something we said :eek: Hope to see you again soon. Thanks for the avatars - I'll brush the snow off mine soon, as the grass seems to be growing outside, and the birds are twittering like it's spring or something.

We have three new team members for the next one, Gyathaar, WillowBrook and Tomoyo. Welcome aboard, we look forward to learning all about peaceful cultural expansion from you. We need all the help we can get in that department.

No it's definitely not because of you guys. I really enjoy playing with you all. I'm just getting real busy IRL. I will be back eventually. And I will lurk incessently as per usual.

No it's definitely not because of you guys. I really enjoy playing with you all. I'm just getting real busy IRL. I will be back eventually. And I will lurk incessently as per usual.
I'll miss you, Mistfit and look forward to your delurks!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Welcome to our new teamates. May your cultural insights enlighten us!! :band: :banana: :rockon:

EDIT - Can't spell!! :blush:

I've reviewed the options for buying Radio, assuming we want to use gpt rather than lump sum:

1. France wants 154 gpt.

2. Iroquois wants 95 gpt + gems + dyes

3. We have a deal giving France gems + dyes + 12 gpt for two more turns.

It seems to me we should wait 2 more turns then do the trade. France will value gems and dyes higher than the Iroquois do because they are bigger, so I think we should get he best gpt from them when we renew that deal. The only hazard in waiting is that someone else may get Rocketry and reduce its value.

Thoughts?

I'm confused (thickheaded). Explain to me again why we are trading with the French? Aren't we planning a war very soon with them? Is it that we can get the tech and then almost immediately break the deal because we have no rep to speak of as is and don't really care.

I'm confused (thickheaded). Explain to me again why we are trading with the French? Aren't we planning a war very soon with them? Is it that we can get the tech and then almost immediately break the deal because we have no rep to speak of as is and don't really care.
I would say you hit the nail on the head!! I think Alan is trying to preserve as much GPT as he can for the purpose of rushing units to invade France with. Whatever option provides the least GPT payout is probably the best. imho, we will not be in a position to invade for 12 to 15 turns and have to pay the GPT deal for at least that long.

The only other consideration is if the GPT deal with the Iroquois will somehow provide for better relations and make the MPP and ROP deals easier to obtain. I think Gator may be right about making peace before they will accept an MPP. The English will talk, but their cities will flip back to them. If we make peace, we should consider abandoning them. The Aztecs, iirc, are not ready to talk yet, so 2 turns may improve that, along with taking a couple of their western towns. There should be a couple of Cossacks over there facing Spears, iirc.

@Alan - 95 GPT for 20 turns is less than 154 GPT for 14 turns, so you could take the Iroquois deal if you think they will have Rocketry. However, there is no knowing whether the Iroquois have Rocketry right now. 2 turns is a reasonable delay, imho, to try and get a better deal. However, you can usually bet that I'll be wrong about such things. :lol: :lol: :lol:

@Mistfit - yes :)

@Alan - have IRQ and JPN had enough time to research it on their own? Does leif's turnlog indicate it? They were at tech parity when I played only because I gifted them techs. It doesn't matter if FRA has Rocketry except it might allow us to get a ROP. I think we could probably wait out the 2 turns.

Or we could do the deal now and see if we can use the luxes we were trading with FRA to acquire another tech from FRA before declaring on them.

EDIT: crossed with leif

@Alan - have IRQ and JPN had enough time to research it on their own? Does leif's turnlog indicate it? They were at tech parity when I played only because I gifted them techs. It doesn't matter if FRA has Rocketry except it might allow us to get a ROP. I think we could probably wait out the 2 turns.

Or we could do the deal now and see if we can use the luxes we were trading with FRA to acquire another tech from FRA before declaring on them.

Amphibious War popped up in the last turn or so. I don't think that the Iroq or Japan have techs in the MA, but I don't know this for sure. I just checked thr 1770 save with CRpMapStat and Amphibious War is not listed as available. In the 1772 save, Amphibious War is listed under France, Iroq. and Japan. I don't know who discovered it, but I am quite sure it wasn't France as they already had Computers (Mech Inf) and Fission (UN and Manhattan Proj).

@Mistfit: Yes. Gator came up with that part of the plan - buy Radio to get to the Modern Age and use our free tech to buy MPPs with everyone and maybe RoP with France. Then go after France to kill the UN and do them as much damage as possible. If we have to buy it from France and then welch on the deal, so be it.

I've been contemplating how to buy Radio from the lowest bidder, as we are going up against MI with Tanks and that can be costly (16 attack vs 18 defence, no retreat), so we need as much cash as possible.

I think I'd do the IRQ deal. I doubt we are going to be able to get the ROP with FRA since they are already several techs into the MA. Instead of abandoning some of our high flip cities could/should we gift them to FRA to create some nuisance issues and allow some of our partners in the war a free FRA city to attack, which would guarantee FRA would not win a UN vote if we aren't sucessful in a direct attack.

Have fun and down with France and the UN (like that's not been said in America before :lol: )

Hello XTeam:

I have been lurking your games for some time now and have learned a lot. I was hoping to post a GOTM win before throwing my hat into a SGOTM but last week I suffered a hard drive meltdown and lost all my games including the in progress GOTM_39.

I realize your team has already filled the vacancies for SGOTM_6 but if there is more team juggling I would be delighted to become a member of the XTeam. If not, I will be on another team and I will miss your excellent posts.

Your team sets a high standard for cooperation and creative play and wherever I end up I will try to keep up with the 'have fun and learn' approach. :goodjob:

Best of luck with FRA.

Keath

Sorry to hear about your meltdown. Was that on a Mac? No backups?

Thanks for your kind words. Our cooperation and creative play don't seem to be doing us much good in the awards races, but we do have fun :D. As you say, we have a full house right now, but we'll bear you in mind for when I have my next nervous breakdown or Gator decides he wants to relive his 2004 hurricane experiences.

France awaits. I didn't get to her last night, and I'm going out to a show tonight, so time is pressing. I hope my colleagues will be patient with me.

France awaits. I didn't get to her last night, and I'm going out to a show tonight, so time is pressing. I hope my colleagues will be patient with me.

More nervous than impatient. Will our game end in less than 16 turns or will we get a chance to watch Russian tanks rule the world.

BTW, will the FRA city building the UN grow in size and hasten the turns to completion?

Sorry to hear about your meltdown. Was that on a Mac? No backups?

The drive that failed was not my Mac but my 120 Gig storage drive. I had everything backed up except my Civ folders. :(

I have now reinstalled Civ and made use of your GOTM install. Very smooth! Good stuff.

It looks like I may be headed for Team Tao according to mad-bax's Roster spreadsheet.

Best of luck to the XTeam! :D

Oops double post

@Keath - Sorry to hear about your harddrive. I wanted to let you know we also have several good teams (and then ours :lol: ) playing the Gator01 SG which grew out of Scout's Jumpmaster game where we combined strong players with those wanting to learn more. Even as a stronger player I have still learned alot by playing in these SG and hope to learn more by playing with Gyathaar in SGOTM06. Getting on a team that asks questions and fosters discussion is a great way to learn. My game has improved vastly since I started to play SG's and SGOTM. Good luck and I hope you find a good team to land on for SGOTM06.

@Keath - Sorry to hear about your harddrive.

@Gator: The drive was still on warranty so it's inconvenient but not tragic. Thanks for the encouragement. I'm all about learning and having some fun doing it. Winning is good, too, but not at the expense of being intimidated and afraid to make a mistake. That is one of the reasons I like following your posts. You guys have the right attitude towards learning. Realistically, if you never make a mistake, you don't learn much. ;)

France awaits. I didn't get to her last night, and I'm going out to a show tonight, so time is pressing. I hope my colleagues will be patient with me.
While apprehensive, I await the results with great patience and understanding. :) This will be a difficult turn set, good luck. :thumbsup:

@Keath - Thanks for the kind words. I'm very fortunate that these players put up with me!! :confused: I'm sure you'll find a team you'll enjoy and make great contributions to. Good luck to you as well. :hatsoff:

I've only reached 1778 AD - 3 more turns. We bought Radio and are in the Modern era. We have Rocketry, so does France. No one else has any modern techs. I've kicked England off the mainland and beaten up the Aztecs and Zulus a bit more. I have 19 tanks assembled in the north east ready to embark for France. We have a lot of artillery, but most of it is in the south.

I can either make peace with everyone, and buy MPPs with as many as possible now, or leave it for a few more turns. The later I leave it the more tanks and stuff we can build under mobilisation, but there's a risk that someone else will research rocketry and our bargaining power will disappear. I think i'll go for peace and MPPs now, but I'm going to sleep on it.

Turn 361 1772 AD Preflight
After discussions we agree to try to buy Radio to get to the Modern Era, then we'll have our free tech as a possible bargaining chip to get MPPs with everyone before attacking France.

Objectives:

1. Buy Radio. We should get Rocketry free.
See who has what techs. If rocketry is sellable then make peace with all opponenents so that we can strike MPP deals ... we hope! Note that when we make peace we lose mobilisation. Try to get RoP with France

2. Build and rush artillery, tanks, explorers, transports in the north west and ship to Kawauka under Iroquois RoP.

3. Take out Lyons before Turn 376 - UN ETA. Note that Lyons is already at max production with 20 working citizens, so this ETA should be OK unless they mine some irrigated plains.

State of our forces:

9 transports - capacity 72 units - about 5 turns from Kawauka. Need to move to troop pickup points now.
23 Tanks, about 5 in the north the rest in the south. We should target to build new for the France campaign as the southern ones will be required for operations against the other civs?
36 artillery. Ditto.

Decide I'll wait two turns before buying Radio to see if I can buy cheaper from France using renewal of the gems/dyes deal.

Run through the city screens to optimise production/gold. There are several cities where production and/or growth will complete in the same time with more gold. Changed some Cossack builds to Tanks. GPT Up from 220 to 241 for this turn.

Transport from Stockholm heads west. Checking for enemy shipping all the way. Unload 2 cossacks in west near unspellable Aztec town (Atzcapotzalco). 1st five tanks of northern task force assemnble in Snagarst in the north east. Transports head that way.

@Newcastle:
Five artillery near York move to outside Warwick and bombard
One redlines a single conscript infantry the rest miss.
Vet Cossack kills infantry, no damage.
Elite cossack kills regular pike, 3/5.
Elite* cossack kills regular pike, 4/5. Takes city, sinks 4 ironclads. 7 resisters, 1 taxman, market.

@Hastings:
Cossack army moves up to stand on rubber tile. Sees regular rifle defending, pop 6. A soft target.
Vet cossack kills reg rifle, 2/4.
Vet cossack kills reg spear, no damage, takes town. 4 resisters, 1 taxman, police station.

Check F4. Liz now has no saltpeter, coal or rubber. She still won't give up Dover - the one tile island, but we're getting close. She has two towns pop 1 and 2 on the SW island, Coventry, the capital, is pop 17. Dover is pop 3, Liverpool nearby is pop 4. It's possible that the capital would jump to Dover if we take Coventry, making another one for the marines. Check flip probabilities, we have six English cities over 2% flip probability, so I think it's probably a good idea to risk Dover becoming the capital in order to reduce the flips after a peace treaty. Move troops towards Coventry, standing on their iron and wool. That doesn't seem to deprive her of either. There's a vet infantry defending on top.

Hit next turn

IBT
China and Zulus sign TE.
Some English naval movements, ironclad bombards rails near Newcastle.
India and Aztecs sign TE.
Delhi, Washington, Boston, Calcutta tank->tank
Shanhai arty->arty
Philly hospital->tank
Elephantine market->tank

Turn 362 1774 AD
England is even less likely to give Dover for Peace now. 'Doubt if ...'. Coventry is down to pop 16.
Pillage iron and wool. Now she doesn't have any.
Move troops up. Arty stack will take another turn to get in range. Should have built a combat settler :( We have 9 tanks and 5 cossacks in range.

@Atzcapotzalco:
Cossack kills reg spear. Defensive shot from LB. No damage.
Cossack kills reg spear. No damage. LB left defending.

Transports continue NE.

Short rush tank Chicago (76 via Infantry)
Bomber reslines English ironclad near Newcastle.

IBT
Zulus ask for peace. No, we'll wait for our turn, thanks. They land some troops on the western land mass.
English ships move west - one transport + two ironclads, one redlined.
Keltoi ask for territory map swap. Buy a WM swap for 14 gold. Keltoi cavalry move close to El-Amarna.
TE between America and Mongols ends. America signs TE with Aztecs.
Moscow, New York, Madras, Chicago, Thebes tank->tank
Alexandria arty->arty
China builds embassy in Moscow.

Turn 363 1776 AD
@Coventry: Try an attack without arty ...
Vet tank dies vs vet infantry -> 3/4. We'll wait for arty then! Arty moves into attack position.

@Atzcapotzalco (Aztec):
Cossack kills LB->3/4, takes town + 3 resisters, barracks, 2 workers.

@Malinalco (Aztec):
Cossack retreats from 3/3 spear->2/3
Cossack kills 3/3 spear->3/4

France will sell Radio for 51 gpt + 10 gold + map + dyes + gems. OK
We learn Rocketry. France knows Rocketry + Fission + Computers + Space.
Iroquois & Japan have no MA techs and no gpt.

We'll take Coventry next turn to reduce flips, then make peace with all and try for MPPs, amphibious war and French RoP.

IBT
Zulu build Tugela near DaveMcWorgBorg in the west.
America/England sign TE.
English ironclad attacks ironclad and sinks. Ironclad/galleon approach Ta-Tu.
Keltoi/France sign MPP.
Aztec rifles capture Nottingham! I didn't spot that landing :(
Aztec rifle appears outside Newcastle, retreats 3/5 cossack, 3/4.
Washington, Bombay, Calcutta, Atlanta, San Francisco, Chittagong tank->tank
Ulundi flips to Zulus. No garrison.
Seville bomber->bomber
Lahore, New Orleans arty->arty
Ulaanbaatar riots
Warwick flips. One elite cossack.

Turn 364 1778 AD
@Warwick: vet tank kills reg rifle and recaptures town w 4 resisters.

Outside Newcastle: 5/5* cossack retreats from 3/4 Aztec rifle->2/4. Elite cossack kills him.

@Nottingham:
elite tank kills Aztec rifle, no damage. LB defending.
5/5 cossack kills LB->4/5 takes town, 2 resisters.

@Malinalco (Aztec): 3/4 cossack kills 3/3 spear takes town with barracks. It had a harbour, but no sign now! It was Aztecs only source of coal.

@Coventry:
We have 36 artillery outside:
fail, barracks, 3/4 inf, fail, fail, fail, fail, 3/4 inf, temple, fail, 2/4 inf, coal plant, fail, 2/3 inf, fail, pop 15, fail, pop 14, fail, 2/4 inf, fail, 1/4 inf, 3/4 rifle, fail, fail, fail, 1/3 inf, fail, market, fail, fail, 1/4 inf, library, 1/4 inf, 1/4 rifle, 1/2 rifle
4/4 tank kills 1/3 infantry->5/5
5/5 tank kills 1/4 infantry->4/5
5/5 cossack kills 1/4 infantry->no damage
5/5 cossack kills 1/4 infantry->2/5
4/4 cossack dies vs 1/2 rifle->2/3
4/4 tank kills 2/3 rifle->3/4
4/4 cossack kills 1/4 rifle->1/4 takes Coventry, 12 resisters, 1 taxman, courthouse, bank, 3 workers.

English city is Liverpool - 3 tile island. She will now give Dover for peace.

Destroy Tugela (Zulu) undefended. Kill Zulu cavalry nearby.

@Ulundi (flipped to Zulu): Cossack recaptures town from 3/3 rifle, no damage.

Sell a RoP to Keltoi for 29 gold + WM. This will allow our troops to reach some Aztec cities.

@Calixtlahuaca (Aztec):
Cossack approaches ... there's a pike on top :)
Cossack retreats vs. vet pike->2/4
Cossack kills 3/3 spear->3/4
Cossack dies vs 3/3 spear->2/3
Cossack retreats from 2/4 pike
Cossack army kills 2/4 pike, no damage.
Cossack kills 2/3 spear, takes city. 5 resisters + 4 taxmen, barracks, market

@Tlaxcala (Aztec):
vet tank kills vet rifle, no damage
vet tank kills vet rifle->3/4
vet tank kills reg pike->3/4 takes city with 9 resisters, 2 taxmen, barracks, granary, market, courthouse, police station, catapult. Upgrade catapult for 120 gold.

Watch this space ...

Combat settlers work real nice - I used them in my last round of Bugs 3 to help recreate a road network that we had bombed out of existance.

Looks like we'll have to keep FRA from launching if our UN gambit works. Are we still considered weak to FRA?

This Months' sponsored variant is OBCC - One Built City Conquest the rules for which are as follows.
1. You may never build a settler.

@Klarius: Yes, I realised that after I slept on it. I'm glad I didn't think of doing it in the heat of battle.

Good Progress!! :goodjob: :goodjob: :clap:

Keep up the good work. Sounds like you have things pretty well in hand. Just a little more cooperation from the Iroquois and we might just pull it off. :cool: :rockon:

@gator: Yes, we're weak against France. We are currently building at a good rate, and I think I'm going to stay at war with the Aztecs for a couple more turns, to keep mobilised, and to pummel the Aztecs some more to reduce flip chances, and maybe create some cities I can gift to France to set them up as victims when our MPPs (I hope!) cut in.

Note that America has an MPP with France. If we attack France America will declare on us. Probably not a problem as they only have two cities, both within reach of our Moscow troops.

Apologies for the slow progress., but my brain hurts :eek:. My big headaches are:

- Fire power. We'll need more tank production in the north. Hence my feeling I need to stay mobilised.

- Logistics. We need to get as much as possible of the fire power in the south up to the French strike position, particularly our 40+ artillery. That's going to need half a dozen more transports in the south.

- The distance to Lyons from the Iroquois border. The nearest tiles we can currently reach are two tiles from Lyons, and we'd be attacking across a river. Unless we can redline them with artillery we have well under 50% probability of a kill. An artillery stack will take two turns to get within range. I'm assuming we can't sneak attack to gain a freee turn in enemy territory. If we move troops towards Lyons before we declare then I'm sure France will tell us to leave or declare, and we'll auto-eject or get hammered.

Below is a possible plan that gets our troops close enough to Lyons on the first turn of war so that that artillery can hit it (but still across the river), and tanks can attack it on the second turn without crossing a river. I've shown a possible explorer pillage operation to reduce France's ability to hit us in the first inter-turn, but unless I produce and transport a huge number of explorers it will be difficult to cut enough links north and south to be effective. We can put our tank army on top of the stack, but France will no doubt bomb it until it feels safe to attack it.

Any other suggestions or recommendations?

Is it possible to to get an ROP with France? I have a feeling that ROP abuse is in order here, if we can pull it off. Positioning troops will be much easier and we could bring some of the firepower up quickly from the south.

The only other thought I had was if we could "cut" a line through Azteca to allow us to use rails through Japanese and Iroquois lands to get our artillery up to France, we wouldn't need transports and the time to use them. This would require that we can sign an ROP with the Iroq and Japan. We might even get one with Azteca in a peace deal?? With an ROP with France, we could get the artillery where we want them to be most effective.

I've only got the 1772 save to look at, so I don't know what deals are available to you.

Is it worth making peace with AZT now and get an ROP with them as well to allow quicker access to FRA? Can't we just remobilize after making peace?

We should keep Brest only long enough to land troops and we should raze all other FRA cities, except for one with oil and a harbor/airport. The flip chance will be too large. We should also try to keep all our forces together on one tile. This will force FRA to either attack our SOD or go thru IRQ and JPN to get to our cities. We need to be able to last thru several turns of intense counter attacks and hope we get some support from the IRQ and JPN. Do we have some troops positioned to claim the FRA & AMR cities near Moscow?

Good luck - I'm hoping there's still a game for you to pass my way.

- Azteca is not in our way. Keltoi, Japan, Iroquois and France have the land between us and Lyons, and we have RoPs with all but Japan ... and France. See map attached. A French RoP rape would certainly solve a lot of problems, but it's going to be difficult to get a RoP.

- We can't remobilize unless we are at war with someone. Good point though. We'd have to make peace, set up the MPPs with Iroquois and Japan, RoPs with Japan and France if poossible, then declare war on someone. India is probably favorite. We wouldn't actually have to fight them unless they started it. China and the Vikings are other options, but China has a MPP with Iroquois.

- I agree we raze French cities as we dispense with their services, but my focus is totally on Brest and Lyons. Oil is a long way away from there, and if I get to Lyons with any army left I'll hand off to you to solve that problem :D

- Troop positioning on our home island is the least of my worries. We are building and keeping tanks in Moscow, and maintaining mobilization will help to continue that process.

[EDIT] Opps! Forgot the map. It's a bit small, but there are rails almost all the way, just a tile near our border with Japan needs rails added.

Dunno why I thought RoPs would be difficult. I just sold France RoP for 80 gold+WM and Japan RoP for 9 gold+WM! Once I road and rail one tile between Keltoi and Japan I can get to Lyons in one turn.

@Alan - You do not have to be at war to mobilize. You may mobilize the economy at any time, to demobilize it requires peace. So when you make peace, mobilization ends. The same turn you can then go to the F1 screen and start mobilization immediately. :thumbsup: :salute:

OK, I'll try it next turn. :thumbsup:

I'm out of practice at mobilization as (a) I seldom get to this stage in the game and (b) it's turned off in GOTMs. I thought you had to be at war.

With those RoPs under my belt I'm feeing a bit more bullish about this now :D

I do have one other distraction, though. I need to do some mods on the SGOTM system to support C3C. Nothing major, but it all takes time - mostly making sure I don't break anything else in the process :rolleyes:

With those RoPs under my belt I'm feeing a bit more bullish about this now :D
Excellent, Go get 'em!! :D :mischief: :goodjob:
EDIT
I do have one other distraction, though. I need to do some mods on the SGOTM system to support C3C. Nothing major, but it all takes time - mostly making sure I don't break anything else in the process
Sometimes you need a breather, doing something else to clear the mind, even if you have to. :lol: :lol: Not to worry, we're patient!! :rolleyes: :D

Sounds like our little plan is coming along nicely (atleast the prefighting portion ;) ).

Nice progress Alan. Just leave me a few towns to mop up on when your turn is complete :D With so much going on don't forget to get some fortifications in moscow for the inevatible attack there.

With so much going on don't forget to get some fortifications in moscow for the inevatible attack there.How much do you want? We have an Infantry, and a few Cossacks, but I'm building tanks for active defence currently. We have 4 now, and will have another two or three by the time we declare. I guess we might be hit by marines. Other than that the only land route to us for France is through America's territory, and our cultural range will mean they have to stop within range of a tank before they reach us.

Well ya see, I didn't need to mention it because you all ready have it covered.

Edit: Are we the only ones not done with SGOTM05? I see that MB is aready posting threads for 06.

There are at least three teams still playing SGOTM 5.

I'm still playing this, veeerry carefully :eek:. Status update:

We are in the final preparations for our hit on Lyons. I have 36 tanks loaded into transports ready to cross to France under RoP, and another 15 in the south. There are 45 artillery available. We are at peace with everyone, and we have MPPs with Iroquois and Japan. So far so good.

The complication is that France has MPPs with Keltoi and America. Keltoi signed theirs in 1776 AD, so it will be in force when we attack Lyons. I therefore have to prepare for counters from Keltoi and America as well as from France. It occurs to me that I could trigger war with France, with our troops in place to attack Lyons, by declaring war on Keltoi with no troops on Keltoi soil, and then attacking them across their border France would then declare on us. I also propose to try to plant a spy during that turn, as we have to deal with the space ship as well. If that fails France will presumably declare? I have no experience of spy planting, hence the question mark.

If France declares on us as a result of our actions while we are on her territory, would this constitute a ROP rape by us? I'm not squeemish about RoP rape, it's just that if we can preserve our ability to do it later, why not? We still have a lot of conquering to do in this game after we've sorted Joan out and RoPs might come in handy.

Here's a montage composed of multiple digital photographs taken by our first explorer during his recent Tour de France by TGV (High Speed Train). You can see him in lots of the shots - he's the one with the white circle round his feet and a silly grin. :D

All these MPPs sound like WW 1. :rolleyes:

Let's see:
We attack France and the Keltoi and Americans declare on us.
France and Kelts counterattack us and Iroq and Japan declare on them.

The Japanese and Kelts are neighbors, iirc, so if we have can fight an active defense in the former English area, perhaps the Japanese will keep the Kelts busy.

What are the Aztecs up to since we roughed them up. They're in the neighborhood as well. Will they sign an MPP? They could have fun with the Kelts too! :cool:

This should certainly wear down somne armies, hopefully not ours! It will be interesting to see what happens. :eek:

EDIT - On ROP issue, I think it will still be an ROP abuse, although I don't know that for sure.

I took an old save, around 1770, and tried planting a spy. Got caught and France immediately declared war. If they don't and you want them to, just try to plant a second time and they usually will.

I've reduced the size of Azteca, but it might grow back a bit with flips. We've already had one flip to the Vikings in the middle of the southern continent since I made peace with everyone. I was in two minds whether to declare and recover the city, but I decided we need to focus on France, and instead I bought an embassy with Ragnar and sold him a RoP. So we can still reach all parts of the continent, and we'll rape him later.

BTW I got Amphibious Warfare in the wheeing and dealing, so we can build marines whenever we want them. There's oil next to Rheims, which is close to the main Iroquois border, see our explorer's holiday snaps above.

BTW I got Amphibious Warfare in the wheeing and dealing, so we can build marines whenever we want them. There's oil next to Rheims, which is close to the main Iroquois border, see our explorer's holiday snaps above.
At 100 sheilds each (the cost of a Tank??) :eek: , we may have to set a city or two to Marines and rush them when a Transport is available and go after the islands. I'm not sure we can afford to interupt tank production until France is subdued. They'll be some time after that happens, unfortunately... :blush:

Summary: It's now 1800 AD. We have destroyed Lyons, with its UN build, and America. France is building the UN somewhere else and we don't know where. It looks like it converted from a spaceship build. We have a spy in Paris.

We are at war with France, Keltoi, Zulus. We have MA with Aztecs against Keltoi, MPPs with Iroquois, Japan and India. We are average vs France, strong vs everyone else.

Our oil deal has just run out. We can renew with Iroquois and he has Computers for sale.

Turn Log

Turn 364 1778 AD continued

I decide to press on a bit further against Azteca. 12/13 tank army & 3 tanks approach Tenochtitlan, park outside on the wheat. Another tank pillages horses. 4/4 rifle defending.

After deep soul searching and discussions with team:
- We don't need to redeclare to mobilise.
- We *have* to try to get RoP with France.

Sooo ... Sell RoP to France for 80+WM. Sell RoP to Japan for 9+WM, and we'll try to set up the MPPs next turn. Just one more Aztec city :)

IBT
Various AI movements. Nothing very significant. Single Aztec rifle approaches Tlaxcala.
Madrid, Delhi, Moscow, New York, Madras tank->tank.
Memphis arty->arty

Turn 365 1780 AD 11 turns to UN completion.
Arty in Texcala bombs approaching Aztec vet rifle to 2/4. 4/4 tank kills him and promotes to 5/5.
@Tenochtitlan: Test the situation.
vet tank kills vet rifle->3/4
vet tank kills vet rifle->2/4
vet tank kills vet pike->2/4
vet tank kills reg pike->2/4
3/4 tank blitzes vet LB, promotes to 4/5, takes city, 11 resisters+barracks, granary, market, bank, police station. That removes Aztec iron source.
Capture two Aztec workers to help build the RoP rail/road needed in Japan. There's a samurai standing on it currently. Hope he moves! Once we get past that bottleneck there are multiple rail routes to France through Japan and Iroquois.

Move some tanks and tank army towards next Aztec mainland cities. They only have pikes defending. Too good an opportunity to miss. We'll deal with these before we make peace. One more turn ;)

Short rush some tanks. 60 gold at Bombay via cruise. 40 at San Francisco via coastal fortress. 224 at Elephantine via Infantry. 280 at Alexandria via Infantry. 188 Chittagong via Ironclad. 172 at Heliopolis via Infantry.

IBT
TE between China and Mongols ends. English knight sneaks into Karakorum -undefended!
Orebro, Bangalore, arty->arty
Washington, Bombay, Boston, Heliopolis, Calcutta, Elephantine, Alexandria, Thebes, Chittagong, tank->tank
Darhan barracks->tank
Snagarst market->tank

Tlaxcala flips to Japan with Tank and arty.

Turn 366 1782 AD 10 turns to UN
Japanese samurai still standing on the tile we want to road. So move workers to next one.

Elite Cossack kills English knight->3/5, recaptures Karakorum with 1 resister and a settler->2 workers.

@Teotihuacan:
5/5 tank kills 4/4 pike
4/5 tank kills 3/3 pike
4/4 cossack kills 3/3 pike, takes city. 7 resisters, 1 taxman, barracks, market.

@Swazi:
Cossack kills Impi and takes town. Raze it.
Arty redline English galleon and ironclad.

We have 50 tanks. We're still weak vs France.
Iroquois have Computers.

Peace with Zulus for WM and 3 gold. He has his 1 tile capital.
Peace with Mongols for 40 gold+4gpt+WM+Mandalgovi.
TE between Mongols and Aztecs ends.
Peace with England for WM + Dover - 1 tile island.
Note: Keltoi have MPP with France. It will still be in force when we attack Lyons.
Need to get our troops across Keltoi before we declare, and leave enough behind in the south to defend what we need.
Peace with Aztecs for Jonkoping, Kalmar, WM, 3 gold, 2 workers.
MPP + Amphibious War + WM from Iroquois for Rocketry, WM, furs
MPP with Japan for Rocketry.
We are at peace with all civs, we have MPPs with Japan and Irowuois. Main fly in the ointment is the Keltoi. They have horses and saltpeter, so cavalry, but no motorised transport so no tanks.
Cossack into Mandalgovi, so they can't just walk in. Cossack into Kalmar. Jonkoping is undefended in south west.
Remobilize to keep production going.

IBTAztecs comp[lain about our troops. They auto-eject.
Delhi, Nidaros, New York, Madras, Atlanta, San Francisco, tank->tank
Bjoergvin arty->arty
Palace expands. Coal expires in south. We still have two sources.
Keltoi have built a town near Nottingham.
Pollution at Washington

Turn 367 1784 AD 9 turns to UN
Hurry explorer in Tabriz 32 gold
First phase of road in Japan. Samurai have now moved, so position workers to cover second tile. Move tanks to control critical rail tiles on route towards France through Japan.
Sell WP to India for WM+23
Get MPP+9 gpld from India for Communism

IBT
America and Zulus sign MPP
Wines for coal deal expires with Iroquois! Renew wines for coal+gems+16gpt+WM
Washington, Moscow, Bombay, Calcutta, tank->tank
Toledo arty->arty
Tabriz explorer->explorer
Tzintzuntzen barracks->harbour
Qitaimjorg flips to Vikings. No garrison.

Turn 368 1786 AD 8 turns to UN
The Viking flip has cut our rail links to the eastern end of the southern continent. Buy an embassy with Vikings (28 gold) to see if a RoP is in order. Screenshot attached. Pop 3, 3 rifles, 4 spears, settler in 9 turns. Sell then a RoP for 34 gold+WM.
Complete roads and a rail in Japan. Start more rails.
Build rail in Iroquois Kente near Moscow to improve access to French and American cities.
We now have 60 tanks, 45 arty, 41 cossacks. Still weak vs France.
Explorer checks out opposition. Composite of his explorations around Lyons/Paris at
The nearest oil is near Rheims, close to the Iroquois border.

36 tanks loaded into 6 transports at Snagarst. We have 7 arty and 4 more tanks there now. We can move them to France in one turn, next turn they can deploy via the RoP and the transports can return. So in 3 turns we can have all troops landed and in position to attack. There are 38 more arty in the south, plus 15 tanks. 5 tanks are in Moscow.
The challenge is that when we attack Lyons the Keltoi will declare. We lose our RoP with them. We probably have to gift some English and Aztec cities to Iroquois/Japan to provide a buffer zone between our southern cities and the Keltoi, but we need some active defence against them.

A thought. If I declare on the Keltoi first, then attack them across the border to trigger the MPP with France, with my troops in place in France, does that count as RoP rape? leif thinks it still does.

Looks like France has only one source of rubber, near where we are going to land our troops.

Embassy with Aztecs for 39 gold. England for 28 gold. Neither want to sell MPPs for anything.

IBT
Madrid, Delhi, New York, Madras, tank->tank
York worker->worker
Shanghai, Seattle, Baltimore arty->arty
Seville bomber->bomber
Resistance fading, no flips!

Turn 369 1788 AD 7 turns to UN
Philadelphia is unhappy - draft unhappiness!
Hurry tank Elephantine 216 via infantry.
Hurry infantry Chicago 56 via arty.
Hurry infantry Lahore 80 via arty.
Rush various libraries
Rush tank Darhan 176 via arty

IBT
Waashington, Moscow, Bombay, Memphis, Boston, Philadelphia, Calcutta, Atlanta, Elephantine, San Francisco, Thebes, Chittagong tank->tank
Ta-tu explorer->explorer
Kazan library->tank
Chicago, Lahore infantry->infantry
Giza arty->arty
Coventry flips to Keltoi with cossack.
Tsetserleg Library->barracks
Detroit harbour->barracks
French building Internet, complete Manhatten Project in Rheims

Turn 370 1790 AD 6 turns to UN
76 tanks. We're still weak vs French.
Ship 36 tanks to France. Move arty stack from south into Iroquois.
French ivory deal expires next turn - she gives 16 gpt. Swap WMs
Explorer reserves a sunny spot outside Lyons for our troops, on the right side of the river.
Another explorer goes and leans casually on their rubber plant.

IBT
Delhi, New York, Madras, Darhan tank->tank
Tenochtitlan flips to Aztecs. 1 cossack.
Hastings worker->explorer
Almerikh library->arty
Canterbury, Newcastle worker->worker
New Orleans arty->arty
Santiago transport->transport

Turn 371 1792 AD 5 turns to UN
Load up the six transports again. Some arty and infantry as well as tanks.
We have 80 tanks, 50 arty. Still weak vs France. F4 says we have similar size armies. We are still below our allowed free units (206 vs 242).

IBT
Joan offers to renew trade ivory for 16gpt. Misclick and say yes. Don't think there was much alternative. She won't sell Computers, which is waht we really want, and we'll be at war in a couple of turns anyway, so a better gpt deal is not worth anything.
Washington, Moscow, Bombay, Calcutta tank->tank
Dalandzgad infantry->infantry

Turn 372 1794 AD 4 turns to UN
Land more troops in France. 11 arty, 2 infantry, 22 tanks. Still weak vs France.
Deploy workers in south as human shield to slow down Keltoi attack.
RoP with Iroquois expires next turn. Must renew it before we do anything else. Move our arty stack into France in case of auto-eject in the wrong direction. They've been lurking over the border in Iroquois.
Shaka gives MPP+78+11gpt+WM for Flight+Electronics
Investigate Lyons for 331 gold. 5 MI in residence, UN in 5 turns. It's been delayed by the polluted tile I guess, and my explorer's been standing on it to save our place. Shame:p
There are 3 arty in Lyons as well, so we'll suffer some hits during our first attacks.
Attempting to size the attack requirement: Assume we deploy 50 arty, we'll maybe hit something with 20 of them. There's a chance we'll get the MI down to 2hp each. Attacking from the right side of the river we'll have better than 40% chance against them. So we should be able to take the city with 20 tanks. Do we set up a second attack force on Rheims? Better investigate Rheims as well, 196 gold. There are 5 MI there as well. We'd need to split arty and tanks into 2 stacks. The problem is the arty, we can't afford to skimp on pulverising Lyons defences. We could maybe divert a little to Rheims and hope to cut it to pop 12, but tanks will only have 16% chance against 4/4 MI in the city. Odds double if we can get them down to 3/4. We'd need maybe 10-15 arty at Rheims, and prayer. So we'll try that. The counter attack will kill us, of course.

IBT
Madrid, Delhi, New York, Boston, Madras, Atlanta, San Francisco tank->tank
Orebro arty->arty
Oslo Factory->tank

Turn 373 1796 AD 4 turns to UN
Renew Iroquois RoP. Can't get anything for it now for some reason.
England seems to have lost Southend. It's now Keltic. Must have flipped.
Rheims is now pop 14.
Set up our troops outside Lyons and Rheims.
@Rheims, on mountain: cossack army, 1 infantry, 30 tanks (5 elite), 14 arty.
@Lyons, on plains: tank army, 2 infantry, 33 vet tanks, 37 arty.
Plant a spy 147 gold. It worked.
France has 125 MI, 6 tanks, 5 cavalry, 2 infantry, 15 bombers, 12 arty, 11 destroyers,10 ironclads, 1 battleship. No marines.

Final planning:
When we take out Lyons and Rheims they'll still have 115 MI. They have 31 cities, with an average of 4 MI per city. Assume 50% have 5 MI each like the ones we've investigated. That accounts for 75. The rest may have 2 or 3 each, plus a few strays. They'll probaby use up to 50 of them to counter-attack leaving the rest to defend their cities. They'll build and draft some as well.
The play sequence is prolly the same as the F10 order and the diplo screen order. If so:
- We attack on our turn and are immediately at war with France, Keltoi and America.
We expect to attack Keltoi positions in the south and to capture our two French target cities. We then have to decide what to do with the cities, depending on our survival rate in the battles. Lyons will be razed. It has SunTzu, but we don't really need it. Our objective is to destroy the UN build. Rheims is worth keeping if possible, for its oil, but I can't see how to hold it. Our troops' survival there depends on staying in the mountains. They would be decimated in the city on the plains, and a flip is highly probable even if the French don't kill us.
- In the interturn Aztecs go first.
- America next, probably won't do anything.
- France next. They will attack us and that will bring Japan and Iroquois into the war against them. France may then choose to go for some easy targets in Iroquois, and the odd isolated Japanese town. There are a couple of cities defended by spears, and some with infantry are reachable. These are easier targets than our armies if they are healthy. Worst case, we'll be hit by up to 27 bombers/arty, then 50 MI. Our two armies can absorb a lot of the pressure, but it depends how effective the bombardment is. Our tanks will already be bruised by our attacks. If the armies and infantry can take out 10-15 MI then our tanks will lose about 40 hp to the rest. That's 10 healthy tanks or 20 damaged ones, so we may survive and hold onto our arty.
- Iroquois have MI, and hopefully they'll hurt some of the French strays.
- Japan may go after France, but I doubt it. Infantry and cavalry against MI?
- Keltoi will counter-attack us, and we'll suffer some losses in the south. Their first attack will cause Japan and Iroquois to declare on them, and maybe that will divert some of Keltoi's firepower onto Japan.
- India will declare on France, then on Keltoi, along with Japan and Iroquois, but I doubt they will be a factor.
- The rest will watch and wonder, and prolly just keep their heads down.

Other intelligence reports:
France has 4 spaceship parts in production, none complete.
Sabotage or a tech steal is not an option. We'd need much more cash.

France appears to have no airports! We won't be able to airlift reinforcements. Should we try to establish a beach head in Riyadh? It would take 3 more turns to get the currently available tanks there and ready to roll. We have 10 tanks now and 6 more next turn. We just have time before the UN build, but it may be dangerous to wait. Our oil deal with Iroquois runs out in 2 turns. I decide to go now.

Continued in next post

.... Continued

DoW on Keltoi.
4/4 tank kills 4/4 cav on fortified Keltoi incense colony->2/4.
Worker builds incense colony.
Elite cossack kills eurosword on fortified Keltoi horse colony->3/5.
MPP has not cut in yet. We have to attack in Keltoi territory.

@Nemausus, Pop 2 grass:
4/4 cossack kills 4/4 cav->2/4 triggers MPP. We are at war with France.
4/4 cossack kills 4/4 eurosword->2/4 takes town, 1 resister.

@Coventry, Pop 13 grass:
4/4 tank kills 3/3 infantry, no damage. Takes city. 12 English taxmen.

Aztecs: MA vs Keltoi + 8gpt for Refineing+Electricity. Aztecs declare on Keltoi. Hope they will be a softer target for Keltoi.

Near Tsetserleg: Cossack dies vs 5/5 French knight->2/5

Near Nemausus: Tank kills 4/4cav on Keltoi horse colony->1/4

Pillage rubber in France. This triggers American MPP. We are at war with America.

@Lyons, pop 25 plains:
Arty: temple,f,f,f,-1hp,f,-1hp,f,-1hp,-1hp,-2hp,f,-1hp,f,-2hp,stock exch,-1hp,f,-1hp,f,-1hp,f,market,f,-1hp,-1hp,f,pop-1,f,f,police stn,f,f,f,f,library,f. All done. We have taken 14 hp. A single 2/4 MI on top.
4/4 tank loses 1hp to arty, dies vs 2/4 MI->1/4
4/4 tank - arty misses, kills 1/4 MI, no damage.
4/4 tank loses 1hp to arty, kills 1/4 MI->1/4
4/4 tank kills 1/4 MI, promotes to 5/5
4/4 tank kills 1/4 MI, no damage.
4/4 tank kills 1/4 MI, no damage. Captures city with Sun Tzu, 23 resisters, barracks, hospital, 3 arty.

There are 2 MI and a tank outside.
Captured arty->MI -1hp,-2hp,f.
4/4 tank kills 3/4 MI, promotes 3/5
4/4 tank kills 2/4 MI->3/4
4/4 tank kills 4/4 tank->1/4

@Rheims, pop 14 plains:
Arty: f,barracks,f,pop13,police stn,-1hp,f,temple,f,f,f,f,f,f
4/4 tank dies vs 4/4 MI->3/4
4/4 tank dies vs 4/4 MI no damage
5/5 tank dies vs 4/4 MI promotes 5/5
4/4 tank dies vs 5/5 MI no damage
Fortify and stop and think!
France still has 20hp in Rhiems. If we attack we are likely to promote each one twice. That means we actually have to take 30hp. That'll need 50 tanks. We have 28. There seems little point in proceeding now. So options are:
- Move the stack - can't without losing the arty
- Leave it where it is. Best option. Hopefully it will either be seen as too strong to attack with its cossack army and infantry defenders on the mountain.
Next question is what to do with Lyons. It has a 42% flip probability, so I guess we raze it. That'll kill France's barracks hopefully. We'll have to put our tanks back in the main stack, under the tank army and infantry, and leave one tank and the 3 captured arty to be recaptured. Should have moved them before firing :( Abandon Lyons and 25 taxmen bite the dust.

Move ironclad between Strasbourg and Denver on our home island. Both are defended by regular rifles. If that's representative of the defence on the island then maybe we should hit Cincinnati. Let's wait for the reaction from the AI.

Nothing to sell in Lyons, so just abandon it.

Checking F1: Rush a few units. Fire some taxmen now we have incense.

Take a deep breath and hit next turn.

IBT
India moves a ship.
Keltoi cav attacks Tzintzuntzen and dies, takes 1hp.
Triggers Iroquois, Japan, Zulu, India to DW on Keltoi.
Keltoi Axemen approach. One is hit twice by ZoC from our tanks.
France DW on Japan. Not sure what caused that. My above sequence is obviously wrong.
French bombers and a ship bombard our armies. Cossack army hides behind Infantry on mountain. Don't know how many hp it's lost yet.
Destroyer sinks a transport, losing 2hp.
Iroquois, Zulu, India DW on France.
French cav attacks Infantry at Dallas and dies.
French knight attacks rifle at Kohero (Iroquois) and retreats.
Nidaros, Washington, Moscow, Bombay, Memphis, Calcutta, Thebes, Chittagong tank->tank
Nottingham worker->arty
Warwick worker->worker
Philly, Buffalo infantry->infantry
Seville bomber->bomber
Chicago, Nanking arty->arty
Calixtlahuaca worker->worker
Erdenet infantry->barracks
Malinalco worker->marine
Chittagong pollution
Zulus DW on us - MPP with America. Not sure what we did to deserve that specifically.
France starts UN somewhere else - have they cascaded another city?

Turn 374 1798 AD
Damage report:
- Our Cossack army is 10/13. No other damage near Rheims.
- Our tank army is 10/12. We lost a 3/5 tank and 3 captured arty. There's a 2/4 infantry next to our Lyons stack. Our explorers were not molested!
The French obviously took out the Japanese town around Damascus.

We are now grudgingly considered to be average vs France.
Rheims is now pop 12, so they've conscripted.

Iroquois are now polite. Would sell us computers. One more turn on oil deal, so renegotiate then.
Japan is still furious.
England is furious and would sell us an MA vs Keltoi for Radio.

Arty bombard Rheims again:
pop11,-1hp, pop 10,-1hp,pop 9,f,-1hp,f,research lab,f,f,-1hp,f,

@Cataractorum (Keltoi) tank kills reg infantry, redlined and takes city, 2 resisters.

Near Tsetserleg elite cossacks kill 2 elite French knights, 1 redlines, theother is undamaged.

@Cincinatti:
Tank takes ZoC hit from militia, kills reg rifle->2/4
Tank kills reg militia takes city. 1 resister.

@Strasbourg: 3 bombers from Moscow take out library and kill reg rifle. It's now empty!
Transport loads up warrior and cossack from Moscow and drops them outside the town to beat Iroquois ship heading that way.
Cossacks and tank approach Denver.

Clear pollution @ Chittergong

Move Lyons stack towards Paris

Kill Keltoi axemen near Coventry.
Land 15 mor tanks with infantry and an artillery near Riyadh.

IBT
Vikings & Zulus TE
Keltoi cavalry kills cossack
America DW on Japan ans Iroquois
Iroquois land a MW near Strasbourg, but we are there first.
Mongols & France MA vs Zulus. Mongols DW on Zulus
French sink 3 transports, destroy Cincinnati with tank and bomber
Delhi, New York, Madras, Snagarst tank->tank
Coventry worker->worker
Houston market->Arty

Turn 375 1800 AD
Warrior walks into Strasbourg. 5 resisters

@Denver pop 2 tundra:
tank kills reg rifle, redlined. Cossack kills reg rifle->3/4
elite Cossack kills reg militia->3/5 takes town
TEs America with Aztecs, England end and America is dead.

vet tank kills MI that destroyed Cincinnati->3/4

Renegotiate teh oil deal with Iroquois. Wants 360 gpt + aluminium, saltpeter, woll, ivory

@Curovenium (Keltoi) Cossack dies vs cavalry.

@Entremont (Keltoi) pop 12 plains:
vet tank dies redlines vet infantry then it promotes to 2/5
vet tank kills vet infantry->3/4
vet tank kills reg infantry->2/4
vet tank kills 2/5 infantry->3/4
elite cossack kills 3/4 cav->2/5
elite cossack kills 3/3 spear no damage, takes city. 11 resisters, barracks, harbour, market, bank, stock exch.

I'm going to hand off at this point.

Handover report
It's a very complicated picture and rather a mess.

Home island: We need to reinforce Moscow's garrison. Barcelona is going to be hard work, I think, but once that falls we should be able toclear the French off our island.

Choose whether you want to keep the tundra towns. The AI is very aggressive about settling as soon as a space shows up.

France: We have three stacks ready to move at your command. The northern one near Riyadh has only one artillery. I recommend getting it some artillery cover. It has two explorers who took out France's rubber. The other two have artillery. One could hit Paris this turn, or it could move towards another target. Similarly, the Rheims stack has not moved or fired yet. It was moderately successful last turn and knocked Rheims pop down. If it can reduce the MI to 2 and 3 hp then the tanks may be able to take them down. Alternatively merge the two stacks for maximum artillery effect. The armies seem to cover them OK, but the Rheims stack may be vulnerable if it comes off the mountain.

I had an announcement that the French were building the UN again, but can't see it in F7. Is this because we are at war? If so we don't know where it is. But they are now only building 3 spaceship parts, and before they were bulding 4. So they've changed from a spaceship part to UN somewhere.

We have a spy in Paris. We are still average vs France. All their strength is in 114 MI. Their tanks have been dying, and they now only have 2.

Iroqoois: We need to renegotiate the oil deal. We have lots of resources he wants, and we can get Computers as well if we give him about 300 gpt plus resources. Don't know if we need Computers, though.

America: Is gone :D. We came out of mobilisation in the interturn when America died. You choose if we want to remobilise. I think yes, but it's your call. You may want to review whether to start some peacetime builds before doing it.

Keltoi: I've taken Entremont this turn. It has a very high flip chance, so prolly need to abandon it. I kept it in case you want to do anything with the route it provides.

Embassy and investigation shots:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Xteam_Liverpool_1786AD.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Xtam_Tlatelolco_1786AD.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Xteam_Vasteras_1786AD.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Xteam_Lyons_1794AD.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Xteam_Rheims_1794AD.jpg

Very Nice Job, Alan!!!! :goodjob: :goodjob: :goodjob: :D

Sounds like the French aren't too interested in counterattacking us. The Artillery earned their pay in Lyon. :cool: That is an awful lot of MI to overcome. I'll look at the save in the morning . We need to try to find out where that UN build switched to. Taking Paris should also relieve some pressure on us.

I enjoyed you turn log. I wonder if the computer considered it ROP abuse or not??

Good luck Mistfit, there is much fighting left to do. Have fun with the MI's. ;)

We can still get RoP with England, not that we need it - they are a two city state in the corner of the map. But it indicates that I appear to have kept us clean.

Wow Those are some turns Alan! Great write up as well. I've got it but it will not get started till at least tomorrow night.

This thread is a great read. :thumbsup: ...And quite a cliffhanger too.

We can still get RoP with England, not that we need it - they are a two city state in the corner of the map. But it indicates that I appear to have kept us clean.
This is a nice thing to learn. I have stuck it back in my GOTM brain cells for future use. :goodjob:

Good luck Mistfit, teach the French that culture isn't eveything!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nicely done Alan, I'll read the details tonight. (Too much detail to read at work - thanks for the summary :) )

With our spy do we have enough money to investigate cities prior to attacking them, to get an idea of the number of units in defense and how many of our artillery we need to use? This could also help us find the new UN city.

Question: will a city flip the turn after capture or do we get a 1 turn grace period? I have had them flip the 2nd turn but I can't recall one flipping immediately after capture. This would allow us to hold the city and repostion troops (mainly artillery) and then abandon the city after selling off everything.

Good luck Mistfit - save some cities for me.

We could maybe hold the city for one turn, but if I were programming Civ3 I wouldn't give any grace period. Why would you?

I've never before captured a city with a flip risk at almost 50%, and in any case I would then have had to defend it during the interturn. If it had flipped I could have lost a lot of units. The CRpMapStat reported safe garrison was 150, if I recall correctly, more than our total unit count.

I was fully expecting to be hit big-time by a major offensive. I was very surprised when Joan didn't send in 50 MI - I would have in her position. It must have been teh armies that stopped her. If I had tried to defend Lyons I would have had to split the stack, keeping a force on the artillery stack and putting some troops into the city. With only one army, part of the force would be far more vulnerable. Leaving it minimally defended would have meant it would definitely be recaptured, and that would mean we'd have to do it all over again.

It would be a high risk to take with 50% of our total army, for the sake of a possible couple of movement points.

I usually take a city rather than razing it on impact, then decide whether to keep it or sell it off and abandon it. In the case of Lyons there was nothing to sell. It had a free barracks, and a hospital and SunTzu you can't sell. The rest were either culture buildings or ones we destroyed with our arty.

In the Bugs3 SG (SID level) I was able to capture and hold for a turn a size 12+ city, move my troops that turn and the next turn, and then abandon it, but I was not facing counterattacks (we had already been pounding on them for several turns). Definately not worth the risk of losing troops this early in the French campaign.

Could you tell if you were getting any help from our allies?

Yeah! Lyons wasn't just 12+, ot was pop 23! I think flip probability relates to pop count. My guess is that people think there's a grace period simply because they don't understand probabilities. Flip probablility increases towards 100% as each turn passes. The flip probability given by CRpMapStat is just the probability that the city will flip on any one turn. Most of our vulnerable cities are well below 5%, so a first turn flip is very unlikely.

I saw some skirmishes between France and our allies, but I had concentrated our resources in the places that mattered, and so didn't have much of the map lit up during the interturns. Japan had a crack at an MI with a longbow on our home island :eek: And I saw some ships limping around with damage. Iroquois certainly had some fights, and Japan lost an isolated city in the north of France, so I think we have some useful support there.

I didn't answer your question about the spy. We can investigate individual cities without using the spy, of course, and each one costs from 150-ish to 300-ish, which will be one or two turns income after we've re-established ouur oil deal. Stealing the plans or sabotaging a city or stealing Computers would cost a four figure number, which we don't have. Doing it safely, to avoid losing our spy, would cost a high 4-figure number.

Here is probably a silly question about spies. Please keep in mind I don't think I have ever had use of them before.

When looking at the Military Advisor Screen when you have a spy planted is that an accurate represantaion of their military?

Here is probably a silly question about spies. Please keep in mind I don't think I have ever had use of them before.

When looking at the Military Advisor Screen when you have a spy planted is that an accurate represantaion of their military?
Yes :)

I've almost never used them either. I thnk this is the first one I've ever planted myself. It never occurred to me to doubt that the F3 screen was a true picture.

I guess I need to learn to be more trusting

Based on a 3 turn round it looks like Team Moth has finished. Team Tone's graph has not made the sharp upward turn so I think they still have a long way to go for them to finish.

Mistfit UP
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Capt Buttkick Still skipping

Have fun Mistfit. I've managed to climb down from the adrenaline high of those turns now. Hope you get as much excitement and mental exercise out of your set as I had.

Well it is certainly exciting I have completed 5 turn so far. I have a problem that I think need to be discussed.

All 3 of the Iroquois' sources of oil have been Bombed by the French so neither of us can build Transports or Tanks. I've lost 3 transports (2 of them empty) to Destroyers and the like.

The only thing I can think to do is to attack the Vikings. They have a source in the western chain of islands near their capitol.

I'm just worried that by attacking them we will muss up one or more of our alliances. I'll post my log and a save a bit later after I sleep.

I'm surprised an delighted that the Vikings have oil.

Yes! Just loaded up the 1800 AD save and there it is! Darn! We could have had that easily before now.

As far as I recall the only thing we had going with the Vikings was a RoP, unless you've negotiated anything new. You can choose to exploit it to kill them, or declare from outside their territory to maintain our ability to renew our existing RoPs. I would do the latter, as we may well need to be able to rape Japan and/or Iroquois when the time comes.

But we should do almost anything to get our hands on that oil. It'll do our treasury no end of good as well not to be paying anyone for it.

Based on a 3 turn round it looks like Team Moth has finished. Team Tone's graph has not made the sharp upward turn so I think they still have a long way to go for them to finish.

Based on MOTH lurking in your team's thread I would say that Team MOTH has finished as well. ;) Remember that the save you see listed for any team that finished is not the victory save.

Your thread is an interesting read and your game seems to go quite a bit different than ours.

My concern is that they have a Millitary alliance with the Iroquois against the French and the Iroquois have the MPP with us. If I declare against the Vikings won't that force the Iroquois to declare on the Vikings as well? Will they be ticked off at us at that point?

I have troops headed there now and probable safely have the city taken in 2-3 turns but it will take a border expansion and probably a harbor to get to the rest of the world.

If you are not worried about the deal I will crush the Vikings at first chance. I'm still ticked at them for taking cities from me earlier in the game.

My concern is that they have a Millitary alliance with the Iroquois against the French and the Iroquois have the MPP with us. If I declare against the Vikings won't that force the Iroquois to declare on the Vikings as well? Will they be ticked off at us at that point?

Not sure, but I would think our MPP is a higher level than their MA. So it should happen as you say. We attack the VIK and then the IRQ will declare on them when they attack us. I'm wondering if you could declare and then "cheaply" sign the IRQ to a MA against the VIK as well, just to be on the safe side. I'm not too concerned here because I think it's a rep hit but if we have no troops in their territory our ROP ability will remain.

I have troops headed there now and probable safely have the city taken in 2-3 turns but it will take a border expansion and probably a harbor to get to the rest of the world.

If you can secure the area just use a worker and build a colony on the oil (free road as well) and rush a harbor.

If you are not worried about the deal I will crush the Vikings at first chance. I'm still ticked at them for taking cities from me earlier in the game.

I'd say go for it, but I'm not a diplomatic expert. Protect the ROP incase we want to use it later. I have a feeling when we're done with FRA the others will not be a problem.

Don't forget to keep an eye out for the new UN build city. Shouldn't the F7 key show that even when at war?

@Mistfit - As I understand MPP's, they only kick in when we are attacked by someone else. If you attack both Viking cities and eliminate the Vikings :( ;) during your turn, in other words, The Vikings will be eliminated before the interturn, there should be no effect on the status of the Iroq. It should be as though it never happened to them, afaik.

Good luck.

Cool I will work on that!

Not sure, but I would think our MPP is a higher level than their MA. So it should happen as you say. We attack the VIK and then the IRQ will declare on them when they attack us.
MAs are against a specific civ - in this case the French. As long as the Vikings don't have an MPP with anyone then no one will object to us declaring on them. Our MPP with Iroquois will only cut in if the Viking counter-attack takes place in our territory.

I'm wondering if you could declare and then "cheaply" sign the IRQ to a MA against the VIK as well, just to be on the safe side. I'm not too concerned here because I think it's a rep hit but if we have no troops in their territory our ROP ability will remain. I don't think it's necessary, and may be counter-productive. We should be able to kill the Vikings in less than 20 turns, so any MA we set up against them is going to die prematurely, and that hurts our rep.

I'd say go for it, but I'm not a diplomatic expert. Protect the ROP incase we want to use it later. I have a feeling when we're done with FRA the others will not be a problem. Me too.

Don't forget to keep an eye out for the new UN build city. Shouldn't the F7 key show that even when at war? I don't understand that either. I've never seen a situation where a wonder build didn't appear in F7. I'm wondering if they've stopped building it?

I don't understand that either. I've never seen a situation where a wonder build didn't appear in F7. I'm wondering if they've stopped building it?

Which would be unusual. Mistfit can attest to the fact that in TDG we waited to capture a JPN city until it finished building a Wonder it had already started. I wonder if it has anything to do with the amount of shield in the box. Will the AI switch a build and waste shields or does that lock it in until it has completed the Wonder build?

I have seen AI abandon wonder builds, usually turn after they start them

Thinking back to SGOTM02, when we were trying to take a built U.N., I recall that I was amazed that anything can happen. Each turnset we would take a screen shot and plot it out on a graph and timed everything so that it would happen just right and, bam, it changed.

I don't trust the little electron suckers, you never quite know what they're going to do!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Most of the time........ :mischief:

I'll finish up tonight and you'll have it by morning.

The Save (http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm5/Xteam_SG005_AD1820_01.SAV)

Preturn:

The French have 6 workers 4 rifles 4 cavs 1 infantry 2 tanks 114 MI's 12 Arti 1 galley 1 caravel 1 galleon 10 Ironclads 5 transports 11 destroyers 1 battleship 12 bombers and 7 militia

Homeland:
Move 2 units from Dalandzagadad to Darhan for a bit more coverage
Tank vs 2hp MI near Moscow we redline but kill the unit.
Move a few troops around and do some railing.

Northern Isle:
Move 4 tanks into a transport and ship 'em out

Western Chain:
Shuffle some troops to look at Keltoi cities.
Move our Knight army off of ship watching duty in the north and send him to he western chain to head towards a Keltoi city

Southern Chain:
Kill a Keltoi Destroyer with an iron cland and move our transport to a city.

France:
Northern Stack moves to the Hill for defense

Rheims size 9 eMI on top
Arti [f,c,-1,c,f,f,f,market,f,f,f,lib,f] Not great a rMI is still on top and I can't tell howmany units are underneath. I'll wait until next turn to see if I can't do a bit more damage.

Paris size 29 rMI on top
Arti [f,Research,-1f,f,f,f,f,f,c,f,f,f,f,-1Temple,f,f,-1f,-1 now reg units,market,f,-1,f,c,-1,f,c,f,c,-1,lib,-1 back to reg 8MI's in city,-1,f,f,] Again I still have green rMI's on top so I will wait a turn.

MM moscow to stop starving it adds a gold and does not effect happiness or tank completion

Note there is oil inside the Viking Borders the town is guarded on top by a rifle.

IBT:
Vikings and England sign a trade Embargo against us with the Keltoi
Loose a ironclad to a Keltic ironclad.
Loos a Cav and a stack of workers to a keltic Infantry that I did not notice standing right in the open (grrr...)
The French Battleship attacks our transport loaded with 4 tanks (the brave little soldier redlined the unit before he went down)
One MI attacked our Stack in the North but retreated without killing anyone.
Boston Tank To Cossack (will change after the deal is made or we get our own source)
Teotihuacan worker to worker
Shanghai Arti to Arti
New Orleans Arti to Arti

Turn 1 (1802AD)
Homeland:
Move bombers to Mandalgovi to be able to hit Barcelona

France:
Rheims size 7 with eMi on top
Arti [f,f,f,f,f,f,c,f,-1c,f,f,-1f,] Still a green MI on top
Loose 5 tanks taking out 4 MI's and 2 conscript rifles and take the city. It has the Manhattan Project and the ToE.
Sell the Facotry for 30 Gold


Paris size 24 with a vMI on top
Arti [f,f,Cathedral,c,-1,-1.-2,-1,Uni,-1,f,f,f,f,Colos,c,-1f,f,-1,f,-2,f,harbor,f,f,f,f,f,f,f,f,f,c,f,f,f,]
Try attacking and loose the first 3 tanks sent while promoing the MI's so I'll wait one more turn (Grr)

In the South
Move Arti to attack the Infantry that killed our slaves hit him -2hp.
Kill him with an eCossack

Western Chain
Kill a vSpear in Burdigala(Keltoi) with a vCossack and take the city
Kill a vAxman in Lindum(Keltoi) with an eCossack and take the city
Kill a vAxeman with our Knight Army in Coritanorun(Keltoi) and take the city with a worker

After Long deliberation I decide to Abandon Rheims as it is in the 35% range for Flipping.
This Gives the Oil to the Irioquois.(his only extra source)
I end up giving him 200gpt and Ivory,wool, Horses and 247 gold. Expensive but a must.

Switch some builds in the North to Arti for the Northern Stack
Rebase Bombers to Mandalgovi to hit Barcelona
Move units out of Moscow for an Attack on Barcelona.

IBT:
China and Keltoi sign a TE
China and the Iroquois sign a MA against the Keltoi
And the TE against us ends and the China declares against the Keltoi (wacky)
Aztecs and France sign a TE against us
Mongols the same
The French Bomb the oils source on Iroquois soil but it holds.
We get attacked out of Paris my some militia and a cav. We loose an infantry.
Delhi, Washington, Madras, Phillie, Madrid, Calcutta, Arti to Tank
Moscow, San Fran, Alexandria, Bombay, Heloipolis, Atlanta, Tank to Tank
Lahore, Seattle Arti to Arti
Phillie and Nanking Riot
The TE between us and the Aztec Ends
France Declares on the Aztecs (Cool)

Turn 2 (1804AD)

Homeland
Mandalgovi Bombing of Barcelona
1 killed citizen, 1 miss, 1 -2hp
Move Ironclad outside of Stlouis and bomb but failed.

Check In with the Keltoi and they will give peace for 3 cities or a RoP. I think that would mess up our deal with the japanese and the Irioquois though.

France:

Southern Force Move Towards Avignon
Nothern Force Move to accept the transported Arti from the Northern Isle. We will prolly loose our transports but we need them here to get rid of this town.

Paris size 20 eMI on top
Arti [f,c,f,c,f,-1hp,c,f,f,c,-1hp,f,f,-1hp,f,f,f,f,f,-1hpf,f,f,c,f,c,f,f,-1hp,f,c,f,-1hp,f,f,f,f,]
Well That was pretty sad. I did however take the city down to size 13. I will wait a turn and try to get it below 12 to lessen the defensive bonus (and try to hit a dang unit or so next time)

Note Both of the Visable Iroquois oils are disconnected but I still show it in the production screen

IBT:
The TE against us and the Aztecs ended
The Vikings and the Iroquois sign a MA against France and they Declare
China and France sign a MA against Japan and China declares
Our 2 transports sink after a valiant battle. I notice some French ships approaching our north western shores
New York Tank to Marine (yup we lost the Oil)

Turn 3 (1806AD)

Western Chain:
I'm going to test the old Axium
vTank vs rSpear in Lapurdum...we do loose one hp but we kill'em and take the city

Homeland Security:

Mandalgovi Bombers
1 fails and the other 2 destroy the temple and rax

France:

Riyadh Size 14 with a vMI on top
Arti [f,-2hp,f,c,c,f,c,f,f,]
I'll wait a turn

Paris size 12 with eMI on top
Arti [f,f,f,f,-1hp,f,-1hp,f,f,f,f,f,f,f,f,-2hp,-2hp,f,f,-1hp back to e,-1hp to r,-1hp,f,f,f,c,f,-1hp,f,f,-1 back to v,-1hp,f,-1hp, back to e,-2hp,f, -1hp redlined]
Ok this looks like a pretty good chance to take out Paris. They are showing a 2hp rMI and are at size 11.

vT kills the 2hp rMI -1hp due to arti
vT kills 2hp rMI -2hp one from arti
vT dies vs 2hp vMI got shot with arti again
vT dies vs 2hp vMI -1hp but promo's
vT kills 2hp eMI -2hp - 1 from arti
vT kills flawlessly 2hp vMI
vT dies vs 2hp vMI -1hp
vT kills 2hp eMI -1hp
vT dies vs 1hp rMI and the bastard promo's
vT kills 2hp vMI redlined
vT kills 1hp vMI redlined
vT kills 1hp eMI -1hp
vT kills 1hp vCav and...
we take the city and 6 gold, the Sistine Chapel, and the Pyramids and 4 Arti
Ooh thats an all time high Flip Probability of 39-83% needing a garrison of 209-419 :D Nah...

Move the Arti towards Avignon size 23 and miss with 3 of the 4 (kill one citizen though).

Abandon city.

There go all of those free Granaries and some happiness as well. Dangit it only left a small hole.

IBT:
The Trade Embargo against us ends with the Vikings and the Aztec
China and France sign a TE against us
China and France sign a MA against the Vikings and of course china declares

OMG that was the nail bitinest IBT I've ever sat thorugh.
The ship all came out of Ryadh and hammered our tanks then come the MI's If they had one more MI in their the would have grabbed the stack of Arti I had there.

The French Drop off a Militia unit next to Dallas

Boston Arti to Arti
Thebes, Chittagong, Tank to Arti
Santiago Transport (last one until we get oil again) to Arti

Turn 4 (1808AD)

Northern Chain:
Fortify the Infantry at Dallas

Homeland:
Bombing run on Barcelona go 2 for 3 one hit the populous and the other hit a MI doing -2hp

Battle of Barcelona:
vT kills 2hp vMI -1hp
vT dies vs 2hp vMI -1hp
vT kills 1hp vMI -1hp
eCossack kills a cRifleman but is redlined. and we take the City with 6 gold

France:
Riyadh size 11 with 2hp vMi on top
Arti [f,f,-1hp]
Thats the best unit there

vT kills 1hp vMI flawlessly
vT kills 2nd 1hp vMI redlined but promo's
vT kills 1hp vMI but is redlined and we take the city.
I saw at least 6 or seven naval units fall in the distruction of the town.

I consolidate the troops there, bomb a destroyer down to redlined and Abandon the city 16-35%

Avignon:
Move Southern Stack that direction and see 3 Militia around Grand River so I procede to bomb the snot out of them and I also bomb a source of Iron.

IBT:

England and france Sign a MA against the Vikes and they declare war

I investagate both of the Viking cities for under 100 gold combined and find that the Capitol has 3 rifles, 4 spear and 1 Cav. The other city has 2 rifles.

The French Militia kills our infantry at Dallas and they take the city.

Delhi, Washington,Moscow, Bombay, Memphis, Madras, Calcutta, Darhan, Tank to Marine
Karakorum, Toledo, Hastings, Tabriz, Baltimore, Arti to Arti
Seville Bomber to Arti
Erdenet Rax to Marine
The French are building the internet

York Deposed to the Enghish

Turn 5 (1810AD)
I set-up for the attack on the Vikings. They were nice enough to pull the 4 spears 1rifle and 1cossack out of the Captial for me. They must be going somewhere to raze some improvements. We do have a RoP with them for 8 more turns. I feel we will have to break this but I will wait to hear from you guys in the thread.

France:
Move towards the New Captial.

Homeland:
Set-up to attack St Louis next turn

IBT:
The TE against us and the Vikes and Mongols ends
Dang the Viking troops head back to their city. I need more troops (maybe)
The Chinese want us to start a TE against the Vikings I refuse
The English want us out of their territory I agree.
The TE against us between Japan and the Aztec ends
1 Infantry and 3 Tanks die in a counter attack in the Northern French reigion.
Entremont Deposed us lost 1 infantry and 2 cossacks
New York Marine to Arti
Teotihuacan deposed us (flip to the Japanese) Loose a cossack
Atlanta, Elephantine, Canterbury Worker to worker Tank to Arti
New Castle Deposed us and lost a cossack
New Orleans and Snagarst Transport to Arti
The French building the internet again

Turn 6 (1812 AD)

France:
Avignon size 18 with vMI on top
Arti [f,Cath,-1,Rax,-1 now r,Police,Harbor,-1,c,f,-1 back to v,f,f,c,

Attack at Orleans New Captial size 24 vMI on top
Arti{f,c,f,f,f,f,f,Stock,f,f,f,f,f,f,f,f,f,-1,f,c,f,Temple,-1,-1 now r,f,f,f,-1 back to v,-1,c,f,f,f,market,]
Not enough damage or Citizens killed to attack this turn

An Investagation of Rouen and they are building SS Fuel Cell due in 4
Garrisoned with 2 bombers, 2 Arti, 4 vMI

It does not seem as if Joan is builing the UN. I can see via the f7 screen that she is building the internet but no UN. Which is not actually to supprising because she is at war with over 1/2 of the world. France has however finished 2 of the 10 spaceship parts. I think that the ship gets destroyed when the captial is taken right? so we should'nt have issues there.

3 vet Tanks die and 2 redlined vs tanks in Avignon. we take the City.

Homeland
St Louis
Ironclad failed
2 failed bomber runs one hit Lib the other took 1hp
vT kills 3hp vMI and takes the city plus 1 gold.

Set-up for battle against Karachi

IBT
the TE with aztec and india ends and with China and Zululand
The Keltoi somehow sneek a unit past my watchfull eye and take Nottingham
My little one (lauren) throws a fit and I end up missing most of the IBT action
I did see a couple of units come out of the French capital to attack us it looked as if we got the better of the deal
Nidaros Oslo San Fran Tank to Marine
Bostom Arti to Atri
Strasbourg Depose us to the french
Franch building the internet again

Turn 7 (1014AD)
Southern Chain:
It takes 2 Cossacks and 1 Tank to kill rInf and rTank in Notingham but we retake the city.

Declare war on the Vikings
Qitaimjorg:
eCossack kills vRifle but is redlined
eCossack kills rRifle -1hp
We take the city with 6 gold

Vasteras
vT kills vRifle flawlessly
vCossack kills rRifle -1hp
vCossack kills rRifle flawlessly
vCossack kills rSpear -1hp
vCossack kills rSpear flawlessly
I can't believe it I thought I counted right but the Vikings must have rush another rSpear. I miss out and can't take the city this turn. Sorry poor planning.

France:
Orleans size 21 rMI on top
Arti [-1,f,f,f,lib,lab,f,f,f,c,f,-1bank,f,-1 now r,f,f,cath,-1 back to r,f,f,-1,f,f,-1,police,f,c,-1, f,f,f,uni,col,factory,f,f,f,f,f,f,]
vT kills 2hp vMI after getting bombed e
vT dies redlining 2hp vMI
vT dies doing no damage to 2 hp vMI
vT Kills 2hp vMI -1hp e
vT dies doing no damage to 2 hp vMI
vT dies doing 1 hp damage to 2 hp vMi now e
vT dies doing 1hp damage to 2hp eMI
vT kills 1hp vMI but redlined
vT dies doing no damage to 1hp eMI
vT kills the bastard
vT kills conscript rifle
vT kills conscript rifle and we take the city and 3 gold ooh 17 resistors
Abandon city (This time it actually creates a hole in her territory)
Dang I looked into their military and they have 1 leader - Let's hope their not interested in rushing the UN.

IBT
Aztec and Iroquois sign a mpp :(
Lost 1 transport and a couple of tanks to counter attacks
Madrid Tank to Marine
Delhi, Washinton, Moscow, Bombay, Calcutta, Marine to Marine
NY Arti to Arti
Orebro, Oslo, Riots

Turn 8 (1816AD)

Homeland
4 bomber runs on Karachi kill one citizen and take 2 hp from top rMI (he's still on top :) )

Karachi size 4 1 hp rMI on top
eCossack kills 1 hp rMI -1hp
2 vCossacks die trying to kill the conscript rifle he promo's to regular. We'll have to wait until next turn to take the city

Western Chain
Vasteras size 2 rspear on top
vTank kills rSpear and we take the city with 25 gold
"The Solid Vikings" are destroyed !
I Make a colony on the Oil and all of our cities have oil so I do not rush the harbor yet. Our route goes though the Japanese lands so when we declare on them we will need the Harbor.

France
Marseilles size 24 vMI on top
Arti [Stocks,f,f,f,-1f,f,f,c,f,f,f,-2,-2,]
Big stack will arrive next turn

Still can't buy computers even for all of our cash. I'll save some up to try for a steal.

IBT:
England and Zululand sign a TE against us
Loose 1 tank to Counter Attack
Orebro Arti to Arti
Madras Tank to tank
Elephantine Galleon to Tank
Lahore Galleon to Transport
Coventry deposes us.
Calixtalskdfjalskdfjalskdfj worker to worker
Thebes, Chittibangbang Arti to Tank
French add the Docking Bay (Back to square one :evil: )

Turn 9 (1818AD)

Northern Isle
Load up some of our newly minted Marines and head to Dallas

Dallas size 3 vMilitia on top
vMarine kills him flawlessly and we take back the city

Homeland
Bombing Karachi takes 1hp and takes the Rax out of the town

Karachi size 4 with rRifle on top
It takes 2 tanks (1retreats) to take the city)

The Keltoi are becoming bothersom as I do not have enough troops to take them on properly. I will make peace for a Rop Wm and 44 gold. I also sign a Rop with the English.

French
Marseilles size 23 vMI on top
Arti [f,rax,-1,temp,f,-2,f,f,f,-1,f,f,f,f,] - Next round I will have all of the Arti Available.

IBT:
Re-up the RoP with the Japanese straight up he gives WM
uh oh France and Iroquois sign peace
The French are bombing the heck out of our stack
They also drop off a MI and Inf at our homeland.
NY, Boston,Atlanta, Arti to tank
Stockholm Airport to Marine
Tabriz Transport to wealth
:lol: The Iroquois declare on the French
The French are building a cure for cancer
The Damn Keltoi attack the Japanese and pull us into the fight

Turn 10 (1820AD)
It took 2 dead tanks and 1 redlined and and injured Cossack but I wipe the French MI and Inf our island (The transport next to Dalandzadgad is empty so no need to worry)

I'm going to leave the rest of the units un touched as I found this helpful when Alan gave me the game. I think it help to get acclimated before hitting enter and having all hell break loose.

Pass down notes:
We are still average to the French but we've put a good dent in them
2 workers/3rifle/24cavs (this seems to be what they are building now that Alan razed their Rubber)/1 Inf/ 71 MI/ 7 Arti / 1 caravel / 7 ironclad / 6 destroyers (these are bothersom as they keep killing our transports)/ 12 bombers / 1 leader still unused.

We got dragged into a war with the Aztec by the Japanese IBT. We are kinda thin down there so you will have to arrange what we have to work with. My suggestion is to get the English involved by selling the rocketry to go to war against them. I'd also gift them Warwick as will probably flip to them anyway and it has a tank sitting outside of it right now and it's empty of our units.

All of our Arti are in one stack outside of Marseilles. I've found that if the units in the city are yellow and the city is not over 14 or 15 in size that we can take 'em with "acceptable" losses. Although I just now realize that Marseilles is on a hill :(

The group to the north I would head down to take Makkah and the Kawauka. From there I'd back up and take down Bagdad as small as possible and then try to keep the city as a place to heal and drop troops into.

I have a galleon outside of Dallas and my plan was to upgrade it to transport and gload it with our few Marines to go hit some islands like Tolosa (keltoi to the north of our homeland)

Last thing is to watch out for Keltic Ironclads that are Hanging around our northern Island.

What we are up against:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/MilAdv.jpg

Good luck!

70 Mech Infantry is better than 150 any day!! ;) Isn't that what Alan said was there??

Good fight Mistfit!! :goodjob: Have you satisfied your bloodlust?? :rolleyes:

That sure was a lot of combat, thank goodness for the artillery!! :D

Too bad you had to take out the Vikings, but all is fair :mischief:

Good luck Gator! :D Don't forget to leave me some!! :p

That was great, Mistfit. You made the most of the stuff we had, and made excellent progress. That pink bit has a lot less dots in it now.

Mistfit Just played
DJMGator13 UP
leif erikson On deck
AlanH

Capt Buttkick Still skipping

Good hunting Gator

Very nicely done Mistfit, you have learned alot since your humble TDG beginnings. Modern era wars are long but can be extremely fun turns to play.

I got it and will play later today. Should I try for 15 again?

Preturn:
The French have 6 workers 4 rifles 4 cavs 1 infantry 2 tanks 114 MI's 12 Arti 1 galley 1 caravel 1 galleon 10 Ironclads 5 transports 11 destroyers 1 battleship 12 bombers and 7 militia

125 military land units
12 Arti
30 Naval Units
12 bombers
7 militia

Pass down notes:
We are still average to the French but we've put a good dent in them
2 workers/3rifle/24cavs (this seems to be what they are building now that Alan razed their Rubber)/1 Inf/ 71 MI/ 7 Arti / 1 caravel / 7 ironclad / 6 destroyers (these are bothersom as they keep killing our transports)/ 12 bombers / 1 leader still unused.
99 military land units (20 more cavs than at the start)
14 Naval Units
no Arti
1 leader

This was one of my most intense/fun/exciting turn sets to date :)

This was one of my most intense/fun/exciting turn sets to date :)
Yes, and it was quite well done too! :goodjob:

Have fun Gator, if 15 is what you want, I'll try to clean up after. :mischief: :lol:

They take quite a bit of time but as far as I'm concerned take 15 if you'd like :D
Pre turn make sure you look at the Celtic situation.

Take what you can Gator, up to 15-ish. I think longer turn sets are more efficient, as there's a big overhead in getting to grips with this cpmplex situation when each player picks it up. But the turns are also long and challenging, so do whatever you can. If turn 16 is the culmination of a big build-up, don't worry about taking an extra one to accomplish the goal.

Progress Report - Finished an intense 9 turns today sandwich around a Gator Bball victory. One statement I think everyone has been waiting to hear:

WE ARE STRONG AGAINST FRANCE

@lief - can you play Sunday and if so what time? If you can't play tomorrow I'll try for several more turns. If you can play I'll finish up my 10 and pass it off.

Progress Report - Finished an intense 9 turns today sandwich around a Gator Bball victory. One statement I think everyone has been waiting to hear:

WE ARE STRONG AGAINST FRANCE

@lief - can you play Sunday and if so what time? If you can't play tomorrow I'll try for several more turns. If you can play I'll finish up my 10 and pass it off.
Strong against France!!! :goodjob: :goodjob: :clap: :thumbsup:

The earliest opportunity I would have is in the evening, sometime after 7 PM. :coffee:

OK, I'll play a few more in the AM then and have it to you way before 7pm. I need to try to log some more time in Cotm09 as well, and I'm on deck in SGOTM06.

Keep pounding them into submission!! :cool:

EDIT - Is it time to ask who is next yet???? :mischief:

Good progress since my last visit to this thread. Well done.
I promised a few pics from the house we're building...

This is it, from the road (south), garage on the left with a patio (or what you'd call it...) on top.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Hus_sett_fra_veien.jpg

From the east, showing entrance to the appartment (which we're going to let out):
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Hus_%f8stside.jpg

Taken from the same spot as the last one, showing north wall with the main entrance (secondary entrance through garage).
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Hus_nord%f8st.jpg

From the west:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Hus_fra_vest.jpg

Main living room, 3 pics:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Stue_1.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Stue_2.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Stue_3.jpg

Second floor living room where I'm going to have a projector and surround system.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Loftstue.jpg

And I just had to show the patching panel for the broadband connection lol:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Patchesentral.jpg

We're going from living 3 people in a 50 m2 appartment to 4 people (another daughter coming on the 7th of April :-) ) in a 200 m2 house. The increase in connection speed is higher though. From a 48K dialup to a 4 Mbps DSL conn :cool:

:goodjob: OK, I see the projection room and the living room and the broadband connection, but where is the WAR ROOM???? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Things are looking really good, how do we book a vacation? :rolleyes: No wonder you have been skipping. We built our own home here, with a little help, and it took so much work, we're not done yet!! :crazyeye:

Good luck with finishing off, and having another child. You won't be civing for a while, my friend!! :cry:

Nice pics, the house looks great.

All I can say is .... Wow!

And how is it everyone outside the UK seems to be able to get 4 Mb/s DSL and our crumby ISPs struggle to provide 1 Mb/s?

I can easilly get 8Mb SDSL here (8mbps both up and down). thou only have 2Mbps since I usuaully not need any more than that :)

Where in norway do you live Capt Buttkick? I get a feeling I have been in the area when I look at the pics :p

Preturn - 1820AD

1 tiles city islands
Shimonoseki (JPN)
Izumo (JPN)
Hangchow (CHN) - their capital
Ngome (ZUL) - their capital

Cities
FRA - 25
IRQ - 17
JPN - 21
ENG - 5
KELT -
ZUL - 1
AZT - 5
CHN - 2
MON - 2
IND - 1

At War
ZUL
KELT
FRA

Review cities
- We have only 2 airports - we need more in our production core to be able to send troops - the one in Stockholm is great and is railed to the battle front
- Can't send artillery thru airport switch all art builds in production cores to jets - we have none and FRA has bombers
- Switch NY, Washington, Calcutta, Delhi from tank to airport
- shortrush infantry in Darhan switch to tank in 1 - rush art in Mandalgovi

Find a Kelt tank next to undefended Warwick - art (-1) then eCossack flawlessly takes it out and generates a GL (move to Zimbabwe and convert to army)

Marseilles (FRA)
art (f,marketplace,f,f,f,library,f,f,f,f,f,f,f,f,-1,f,f,f,f,f,-1,f,c,bank,f,f,f,f,-2,f,c,-1,-1,f,-1,f,f,f,-1,f,-1,f,c,f,f,f,f,f,-1,-1,f,f,cathedral,f,f) results redlined 1 MI 4 MI at 2hp
vTank v 2/4 vMI - take art shot - we die flawlessly
vTank v 2/4 vMI - art shot misses - we kill flawlessly
vTank v 2/4 vMI - we die flawlessly
vTank v 2/4 vMI - we die flawlessly - MI promos 3/5
vTank v 3/5 eMI - we redline and take it out
vTank v 2/4 vMI - we win down 2hp
vTank v 2/4 vMI - we die but redline the MI
4/5 eTank v 1/4 vMI - we win
4/5 eTank v 1/4 vMI - we win
vTank v rCav - we win and capture city with SETI and 2 arts - hold yard sale
redline a FRA destroyer with our 2 new arts

Not bad action for a preturn

IBT - KELTS use their ROP with ENG and capture Nottingham which I emptied to the the other tank / :blush: forgot to abandon Marseilles FFA bombs the iron and horses there and then kills my lone tank and retakes city and SETI - that won't happen again / FRA sinks an empty transport

Turn 1 - 1822AD

déjà vu Marseilles (FRA)
art (f,f,-1,f,f,f,-2) the MI is redlined
vTank v 1/4 vMI - we win down 2 hp promos to elite
vTank v cRifle - we win down 2hp
vTank v cRifle - we win flawlessly
eTank v 1/4 vCav - we win and recapture Marseilles

Nottingham (KELT)
tank on tank we win and recapture

Curovernum (KELT)
vTank v vCav - we win down 2hp
vCossack v vCav - we win flawlessly - autoraze city

Sign MA with ENG versus KELT - we give Rocketry, but it cuts off their ROP with KELT

abandon Marseilles - a big thank you to FRA for bombing their only horse tile when we controlled it on the IBT - they can no longer build cavs

IBT - renew peace with MON / MPP with JPN expires they won't renew or sell us COMP / same with IRQ / FRA wants to talk, wants peace offers nothing - no deal / FRA sinks our ironclad and we kill a MI in defense, no other counterattacks

Turn 2 - 1824AD

Chartes (FRA size 6)
art (f,-2,c,f,c,temple,c,f,-1,marketplace,c,-1) call off attack city down to size 2 destroy a lot of tiles instead - trying to heal some troops and combine some straggling troops

Madinah (FRA size 16)
art shots only (f,c,-1,f,temple,-2,f,marketplace,-2,-2 [4MIs],-1,f,library,f)

Strasbourg (FRA size 5)
eCossack v 2/3 rifle - we die but redline the rifle
vCossack v 1/3 rifle - we win and capture city

IBT - MPP with IND expires - do not renew for now / renew wine deal with IRQ gain wines and 14gpt give salt, horses, furs, gems and ivory (no deal for COMP was available) / 8 FRA bombers bomb our northern attacks squad / 4 new airports are christened in our core set to tanks

Turn 3 - 1826AD
use our new airports and airlift 5 tanks to Stockholm - haven't been able to do much damage against the FRA because I've had no reinforcements coming

Madinah (FRA size 15)
art shots (f,f,f,-2,f,c,-1,f,f,f,f,f,f,f,c,f,-1) - call off attack after so many missed shots

IBT - AZT and ZUL TE against us / KELT sink an empty transport / MON and FRA sign MA versus AZT / 10 FRA bombers hit our northern stack

Turn 4 - 1828AD
Don't know why but our oil is no longer connected to our production cores - says we need a sea route - rush a harbor in Vasteras

use 3 of the Stockholm tanks and form a new tank army

Glanum (KELT size 1)
vTank redlines but kills vCav - city autorazes

Tolosa (KELT size 2)
eTank v spear - we win flawlessly

Chartes (FRA size 2)
art (f,f,-2,f,c,uni,-1 [only 2MI],f,f,-1,f,f,f,-1,f,f,-1,library,f) don't think there is anything left in the city to hit
vTank v 1/4 vMI - we take art shot and win down 2hp promos to elite
eTank v 1/4 vMI - we take art shot and win down 1hp & capture city (size 1) - still 14-30% flip chance will abandon it

Madinah (FRA size 13)
art shots (f,f,-2,courthouse,f,f,f,f,-1,f,f,c,-2,f,f,-1,f) - not enough troops here, I'll keep bombing the city

IBT - JPN & MON sign MPP / ENG & ZUL sign MA v FRA, ENG declares war on FRA / MON & ZUL sign peace / IRQ & KELT sign peace / 10 FRA bombers hit our northern stack, no other counter attack even with a single tank where Chartes was / Barcelona deposes to FRA with a tank in it / Karachi deposes also with a tank in it as well

Turn 5 - 1830AD
our harbor completes and gives us our oil back to the core / move troops to reclaim the 2 deposed cities
shortrush a few tanks in Moscow core

Camulodunum (KELT size 19)
art (stock exchnge,f,barracks,f,-1,-1)
vTank v vINF - we die flawlessly
vTank v vINF - we retreat inflict 2hp
vTank v vINF - we die inflict 1hp
vTank v 4/5 eINF - we retreat inflict 2hp
vTank v rINF - we win down 1hp
eTank v INF - we win down 1hp
eCossack v cINF - we retreat no damage - call off attack move in tanks from Stockholm
bombers disconnect Alum and Rubber in the area

Rouen (FRA size 15)
art (f,f,-1,f,c,-1,f,f,c,f,f,f,f,f,c,fx8,-1,-1 [only 4MIs],temple,f,marketplace,f,f,-1,-1,library,-1,f,f,f,cathedral,-1red,f,c)
vTank v 2/4 vMI - we take art shot redline but win
vTank v 2/4 vMI - art shot misses we win flawlessly
vTank v 2/4 vMI - militia shot misses - we win down 1hp promos to elite
eTank v 1/3 rMI - we win flawlessly
eTank v militia - we win down 2hp, capture city (27 - 56% flip chance) & the 2 art
abandon city - nothing to sell it was all blown up

Guess Where??? Madinah (FRA size 12)
art shots (f,f,f,c,f,f,-1,-1,-1 [only 3MIs],cathedral,-1,f,f,-2,f,f,-1) - should be 2 at 2hp and 1 redlined - time to attack
vTank v 2/4 MI - deflect militia fire and flawlesly win
vTank v 2/4 MI - flawlesly die
vTank v 2/4 MI - we win down 1hp
vTank v 2/4 MI - we win down 1hp
eTank v rMilitia - we win down 1hp and destroy 9 bombers in capture of city (FRA went from 10 to 1)
save game to check flip % 15 - 32 not that bad compared to some of the others

WE ARE STRONG AGAINST FRANCE FOR THE FIRST TIME!!!!!!!!! :banana:

France's Military
4 workers, 5 rifles, 4 cavs, 54 MIs, 1 art, 1 caravel, 7 ironclads, 5 transports, 6 destroyers, 1 bomber, 6 militia and 2 slave workers

(more to follow)

IBT - IND & KELT sign peace / lone Bomber bombs, we lose the tank that captures Madinah but kill a militia before dying / MON & FRA TE against us ends / MON declares on FRA (must have been the MPP with JPN) / KELT & CHN are the only ones not at war with FRA and the only MA we have is with ENG against the KELT

Turn 6 - 1832AD
Oil sprouted up 3 tiles outside of Barcelona which is a good thing because our other source dried up

Barcelona (FRA size 6)
eCossack v vRifle - we die inflict 2hp
eCossack v 2/4 vRifle - we die after redlining it
vTank v 1/4 rifle - we win and recapture Barcelona
use a slave to build a colony on the new oil source

Damascus (FRA size 6)
art (-1 [injured MI stays on top],c,f,f,c,barracks,f,c,f,f,-2 [red MI a rifle pops up],f,f,c,c)
vTank v vRifle - we redline but win
4/5 eTank v 1/4 vMI - we redline but win and capture city - Size 1 did not autoraze because it has an ARB citizen
save game to check flip % 0.7 to 1.8 chance - let's keep it
disband one of the explorers here and rush airport

Camulodunum (KELT size 18)
art (-1, temple,c,f,f,c)
bombers (marketplace,c,f,f)
jets (f,f)
tank army v 4/5 eInf - we win 4hp damage
vTank v 3/4 vInf - we win down 1hp
vTank v cInf - we die flawlessly he promos to reg
vTank v rInf - we redline and retreat inflict 1hp
call off attack - need a few more troops

pillage a FRA saltpeter source - they have another one

IBT - KELT & CHN sign peace / CHN & JPN sign peace / damn IRQ land a mounted warrior in our path to Karachi / FRA cav dies attacking Damascus

Turn 7 - 1834AD
airport 4 tanks to Damascus (flip chance down to 0.4 to 0.9) - disband worker rush barracks for troop healing

Camulodunum (KELT size 12)
art (f,library,c,f,-1,f)
jets (f,f)
bombers (bank, kill a cInf,f,f)
eTank v 2/4 vInf - we win flawlessly
same tank v rRifle - we redline but win
eCossack v cRifle - we win flawlessly
no other elites strong enough
vTank v cRifle - we win and capture city
KELT down to 6 cities
save game check flip % - 13 to 27 - too high - abandon city

oops - forgot to declare war on CHN before moving troops - oh well no rush I'll wait

Amiens (FRA size 4)
art (f,f,-1,f,-1 [only 2MIs],f,c,c,f,f,f,barracks,-1,c,-1red,-1red)
eTank v 1/3 rMI - we win flawlessly
eTank v 1/4 vMI - we win down 3hp and capture city
save game check flip % 3 to 6 - don't really need it so I abandon city

IBT - CHN asks us to leave, we agree / IRQ MW dies (good) / JPN and FRA sign peace / FRA transport arrives in Karachi

Turn 8 - 1836AD

Basra (FRA size 4)
art (library,f,c,-1,-2 [only 2MI],f,c,f,f,-1,f,-1red,-1red)
vTank v 1/4 vMI - we die flawlessly
vTank v 1/4 vMI - we die flawlessly - they promo to 2/5
art (f,f,-1red)
vTank v 1/4 vMI - we win flawlessly
vTank v 1/4 vMI - we die flawlessly
vTank v 1/4 vMI - we win flawlessly, capture city and destroy a transport and destroyer
save game check flip % 0.6 to 1.3 - don't really need it but it has FRA only saltpeter and I don’t want them to grab it again so I keep city

reposition troops

IBT - MON declare war on KELT / our ROP with IRQ expires renew by giving incense and coal / FRA lands a militia by Tolosa

Turn 9 - 1838AD
take out MI on Iron colony / FRA has rubber and salt hooked up again

Issue DOW on CHN - :ar15:

Hangchow (CHN size 8)
vMarine kills vRifle
vMarine kills vSpear - we capture city

Karachi (FRA size 3)
vTank v vRifle - we redline but win and recapture city

Augustodurum (KELT)
vTank v vInf - we win down 1hp
eCossack v vSpear - we win down 1hp and capture city
flip chance 2.5 to 5.7 - abandon city

Lugdunum (KELT size 13)
art (c,-1,-1,-2,-2,-2red,f)
vTank v 3/4 vInf - take militia shot then die inflict 1hp
vTank v 2/4 vInf - we redline but win
vTank v 2/4 vInf - we win down 1hp
vTank v 2/4 vInf - we win flawlessly promo to elite
rTank v vMilitia - we redline and win
vTank v cRifle - we win
vCossack v cRifle - we win down 3hp promo to elite
vCossack v 1/4 vInf - we redline and win capturing city
flip chance 14.5 to 30 - abandon city

IBT - I advertise for a new jet pilot after our jet does not engage the lone FRA bomber / fastest IBT of the round so far

Turn 10 - 1840AD

Tientsin (CHN size 7)
art (c,barracks)
vTank v rRifle - we redline and retreat flawlessly
vTank v rRifle - we win down 1hp
vTank v rRifle - we win flawlessly
same tank v cRifle - win flawlessly again promo to elite and

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Xteam05_12.jpg

bomb and kill a FRA MI on their uranium colony (assume it's uranium, unidentified colony)

Grenoble (FRA size 4)
art (-1,f,temple,-2red [only 2MIs],marketplace,-2red)
vTank v 1/4 vMI - we win down 2hp
eTank v 1/3 rMI - we win down 2hp & capture city
flip chance 9 to 19% - abandon city
leave a stack of wounded troops on a mountain to heal

Ngome (ZUL size 3)
vmarine v rImpi - we win down 1hp
vmarine v rImpi - we win down 1hp and

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Xteam05_13.jpg

(still more coming)

IBT - JPN attacks Verulamium (KELT) which I'm in position to hit - they capture and raze it (saves me the trouble) / FRA counterattacks with its only tank and it dies

Turn 11 - 1842AD

The French Oil Fields
Snagha (FRA size 4)
art (f,-1,f,f,-1 [only 2MIs],temple,f,library,-2red,cathedral,f)
bombers (uni,f,c,f)
jets (f,f) 3rd on AS
vTank v 3/4MI - we die flawlessly
vTank v 3/4MI - we die inflict 1hp but they promo to 3/5
vTank v 3/5 eMI - we die inflict 1hp
vTank v 2/5 eMI - we die flawlessly
vTank v 2/5 eMI - we die inflict 1hp
vTank v 1/4 vMI - we redline but win
eTank v 1/5 eMI - we redline but win and capture city and the first of three oils in this area
flip chance is 6 to 9% but it has oil so I keep it

reposition troops - can use open rails to move injured troops to damascus for healing - KELT attack squad joins norther attack squad - another attack squad with majority of artillery moving on Tours - forming a 3rd squad to go after SW island group and the KELT's last 2 cities (rush 2 transports)

IBT - FRA navy on the run / a lone FRA militia approaches Snagha / our new silks (8th lux) are hooked up via a harbor / JPN starts UN build in Kyoto (IRQ have Fission also)

Turn 12 - 1844AD

Tours (FRA size 19)
art (f,-1,c,f,-1,f,f,f,temple,-1,marketplace,f,f,f,f,f,f,f,-1 [4MIs],f,f,f,f,f,f,cathedral,f,f,f,f,-1,-1red,f,c,f,f,f,f,harbor,-1red,f,f,-1red,c,uni,library,f,f,-1red [militia top of stack],c,-1,f,c,-1rifle,f,-1rifle) should be 7 units in defense a 2hp militia is strongest
vTank v 1/4 vMI - we deflect militia shot and win flawlessly
vTank v 1/3 rMI - we win flawlessly
vTank v 1/3 rMI - we win down 1hp
vTank v 1/3 rMI - we die flawlessly
eTank v 1/3 rMI - we win flawlessly
4/5 eTank v 2/3 rMilitia - we win flawlessly
4/5 eTank v 1/2 cRifle - we win down 1hp
eTank v 1/2 cRifle - we win flawlessly and capture capital city - destroying their space ship production and a destroyer and capture the Great Wall
abandon city, don't even bother to check flip % - a Wonder city will be way too high to keep

Back to the French Oil Fields
Bengal (FRA size 3)
art (library,c,-1,c,f,uni,-1 [2 MIs],f,f,f,f,f,f,f,f,-1red,f)
bombers (f,f,-1red,f)
vTank v 1/3 rMI - we win down 1hp promo to elite
4/5 eTank v 1/3 rMI - we win down 1hp
vTank v rRifle - we win flawlessly and capture city and the 2nd of 3 oils
kill the foolish militia who moved on the IBT

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Xteam05_14.jpg

The Save (http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm5/Xteam_SG005_AD1844_01.SAV)

Notes to next player
1) don't sweat that we haven't been able to trade for COMP, I don't think we need it - I'd continue to rush some naval escort and start gearing up for the island hooping, I'd include a carrier and more bombers in case of MI marines alone may not be enough
2) finish off France
3) next would be IRQ to cleanse the NE portion of continent, then JPN as we paint the world brown, I'd leave ENG and AZT for last (they are not a serious threat)
4) keep an eye on UN build (shows on F7 as expected)
5) I purchased 2 destroyers (Mpondo & Tsingtao) to escort the 2 transports to the SW islands, there are tanks waiting in Stockholm to load next turn
6) started a transport back to Moscow core to join the other transport there to go after FRA island area
7) I've got a transport with 6 marines unescorted south of Calixtlahuaca - I unloaded the marines incase of attack - they were headed to the SE islands but it needs an escort and more troops
8) I haven't been rushing tanks recently we are producing them fast enough
9) You have 5 airports in the NY core, 1 in Moscow, 1 in Stockholm and 1 in Damascus - not sure that you need more
10) Just realized we are no longer mobilized - must have happened when I eliminated the first civ - I'd goahead and remobilize, we are only building military anyway
11) I left a few troops unmoved, mainly 1 in each big stack so it would jump you to those areas before your first full turn
12) Bengal and Snagha are 5 to 10% flip chance but they have oil, so I'd keep them for now - should probably leave only 1 unit in them to fight the resistance - they rate should go down as we continue to take FRA cities
13) Don't forget that JPN and MON have a MPP
14) some workers may appear to be on auto but they aren't, I used the Crtl J move command and the ones with no movement points this turn will move next turn

1 tiles city islands
Shimonoseki (JPN)
Izumo (JPN)

The remains of the French Military
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Xteam05_15.jpg

Thanks for all the happy thoughts :)

I can easilly get 8Mb SDSL here (8mbps both up and down). thou only have 2Mbps since I usuaully not need any more than that :)

Where in norway do you live Capt Buttkick? I get a feeling I have been in the area when I look at the pics :p

M, it is symmetric here as well. I can get 10 Mbps from the same ISP, but I figure I don't have use for it yet.
The city is Stavanger and I thought you'd get that from lurking by looking at the telephone number on the container :)

Excellent work Gator :goodjob: We're almost down to the clean-up operation now.

Mistfit
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leif erikson UP
AlanH On deck

Capt Buttkick Still skipping, or should be, with that super-house to look forward to.

Go get 'em, leif.

The city is Stavanger and I thought you'd get that from lurking by looking at the telephone number on the container :)
I tried zooming in on the telephonenumber, but it wasnt readable enough :)

:goodjob: gator. You guys are doing so well without me, that I'm starting to think I should go and bug someone else from sgotm7 and onwards :lol:

I tried zooming in on the telephonenumber, but it wasnt readable enough :)
:lol: Yeah, I just realized I may have cropped the images a bit too much...
At least you see what everything is supposed to be.
So am I living where you thought I was? [pimp]

Nope, never been in Stavanger, one of the few towns where I have never been :p
(in Trondheim myself)

Go get 'em, leif.
Tally-HO!! I've got it!! :ar15: :hammer: :rockon:

:goodjob: gator. You guys are doing so well without me, that I'm starting to think I should go and bug someone else from sgotm7 and onwards :lol:

But don't forget that we're one of the last two teams still playing. We've manage to dig ourselves out of two average starts in the last two SGOTM. My QSC time period still needs improving.

BTW, you inspired me to go work on my hurricane damaged fence today. Just trying to rescue the panels that are severely leaning and pick up the sections that are already on the ground. I'll start replacing poles next weekend.

Good Morning,

Have played 5 turns and it has been interesting. The highlights:

Japan is now building the UN and, as of the starting turn, had 17 turns left in the build in Kyoto. I'll attach the screen shot at the bottom. I also managed to plant spys with both Japan and the Iroquois. The 1844 screenshots are attached of their armies.

The Keltoi have been eliminated. :cool:

Japan came demanding oil and, as the largest French cities are now rubble or about to be rubble, I showed them the door. They declared war. They are causing a little bit of problems in the deep south, but nothing serious. There are 20 Tanks waiting on their doorstep to open the way to Kyoto in a turn or two, another U.N. build down the drain.

Despite the fact that it is slow and cumbersome to use, the Artillery has been the saviour of this game! :eek: I reduced Besancon from size 20 with 5 vet MI and 3 consript Rifle to ashes in 1 turn with 50 guns. It took about 10 Tanks to take it. :D But it took 3 turns to set up. :cry:

Here are the screenies:

Good Morning,

Have played 5 turns and it has been interesting. The highlights:

Japan is now building the UN and, as of the starting turn, ..



I thought this was SGOTM6 thread when I clicked it. Imagine my horror.... ;) :lol:

Yeah! We've come a long way ;)

I thought this was SGOTM6 thread when I clicked it. Imagine my horror.... ;) :lol:
Yeah! We've come a long way ;)
No we would not have.. because:
The Keltoi have been eliminated. :cool:
:D

Died and gone to heaven :D

Spam heaven.
You can't count this post toward your spam score BTW. :)

My spam counter program counts team members and visitors separately. This one does count ;)

Great progress All! Its nice to see the mini map with so little Pink on it! Great set-up and delivery! Had this been my game alone I seriously doubt the progress would have been so positive.

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:lol: How about this post? :crazyeye: [pimp]




















Ok there is in fact a point here.

My QSC time period still needs improving.
I often find I do well in the QSC and then loose focus. The sgotm has helped me a lot towards enjoying more drawnout games :goodjob:

My program doesn't count characters, relevance or even white space, just posts. Yes, yours counts as one :)

We need to stop this. We can't overtake Smacksters and have them claim we won the spam award by spamming... :lol:

Is there going to be a spam award? Somthing like this:
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I don't think we want to encourage that kind of thing :eek: This s a serious business, and, as a staff member I couldn't possibly condone the posting of off-topic material in our threads :ack: :mischief:

It has been an interesting couple of days of civving!! :p Actually, I'm exhausted :) , but happy.

<< THE SAVE >> (http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/sgotm5/Xteam_SG005_AD1870_01.SAV)

The good news is that the French and Japanese are no longer on their home continent. I'll include some screen shots taken from the 1870 CRpMapStat look at the save. Please feel free to abandon as many cities as you like. I needed them to move within the Japanese territory and keep the Aztecs from settling too much.

The bad news is that the Japanese capital has moved to a single-tile island off the Iroquois coast that it took me almost 20 minutes to find. Once you find Salamanca, go east about 8 or 9 tiles and you'll see it. In the three island group to the south you'll find a transport and Marines to help you. The other bad news is that there are tanks scattered all ove the former Japanese territory and I decided not to waste a turn pulling them all back together again. :crazyeye:

I saw about 1 flip every 3 turns or so, so you'll find a tank near a group of cities, flip protection. :D

Here is The After Action Report.
The Japanese and French have both been driven from their original continent. I created one accidental problem for you to solve Alan, and that is Izumo, the Japanese captal is on a 1-tile island, 4 squares weat of Allegheny, near the Iroquois capital. It took me ages to find it, so at least you’ll know where it is. A Transport nearly full of Marines is located to the south in those little island where Dover is, the rest of the Marines are on Shimonoseki. There are no escort ships, but I haven’t seen much of AI navies for a while. Oh, the Japanese are building the U.N. in the city on our home continent, Gandasetaigon. It won’t take long to get it, I almost got it but for the RNG. :rolleyes: A redlined rifle took down one of our Tanks!

I have stacked a ton of Tanks and Artillery near Salamanca, the Iroquois capitla, for your use. There are 3 turns remaining in our ROP with them. We are strong compared to them and have a spy so you can check out their force structure, 2 tanks and 45 Mech Inf, atm. You have full passage rights all over the iroq. Continent atm.

All the other civs can be cleaned up in time. Most are on the ropes.

There is a force of 2 Battleships, 3,soon to be 4, Transports full of Artillery and Tanks, bound for Dijon. Also, once you get Toulouse safe from flips (take Gandasetaigon and Yokohama), it should provide a base, in range, for your aerial armada to bomb them into the stone age.

BTW – There are still many units that were moved on rails, so they have all their movement points should you wish to change strategy. I used the airfields to great effect moving tanks quickly from lace to place. The Bombers are great that way as well. Very flexible.

Sorry about the mess, there are Tanks everywhere as I chased down the Japanese cities. We have 139 Tanks and 103 Artillery pieces. Please enjoy using them to great effect on the Iroquois, sort of a repeat of the French, only not so tough!! Any questions, please let me know and good luck and Happy Hunting!! I don’t expect to see this one again.

The first half of the turn log:

Turn 387 – 1844 AD
What a difference from the SGOTM06 Map!!
F7 says that the Japanese are building the UN in Kyoto. Take a look, for 197 Gold, and they have 17 turns remaining. The city is defended by 6 Infantry and a Rifle and there is a settler there. They are in Communism!!
I plant a spy in Japan for 117 Gold.
The Japanese have 40 Infantry and 9 Marines. No Tanks or Mech Inf!!
I plant a spy with the Iroquois for 123 Gold.
The Iroquois have 41 Mech Inf, 3 Tanks, 2 Inf and a few Artillery and Bombers.
OK, we need to keep an eye on F7, for U.N. builds, and an eye on breaking treaties, although I’m not sure that matters much.
The French still have 35 Mech Inf.
Investigate Dijon on the island fro 94 Gold. They have 2 Reg. MI and an Ironclad and a Transport, they are building a Destroyer.
Dipomatic stuff.
We have 7 turns left in our ROP with Japan. I think I’ll wait to strike them until we have resigned an ROP with them. Then we might set up the same trick Alan tried and declare on the Mongols while we have forces near Kyoto.
We have 16 more turns of ROP with The Iroquois. We’ll see how that goes.
Oh, what a surprise, we have oil north of Moscow, how nice!! :cool:
I mobilize the economy for war!
Currently, we are war with France and the Keltoi.
CRpMapStat says the France has 15 cities remaining, Japan 24, Iroquois 16 and Aztecs and England 6 each. The others are far less.
Move a Transport full of Tanks, a Marine and 2 Cossacks to Canton.
Cash rush a harbor in Ulaanbaatar for 168 Gold.
Once I figure out where everything is, I can press enter?? OK, I think I have a clue? :crazyeye:

IBT
French bomb our oil wells in the east.
Tank => Tank in Washington, Bombay, New York.
Destroyer => Destroyer in Tsingtao and Mpondo.
Ulaanbaatar Harbor => Carrier.
Bomber => Bomber in Snagarst.
Our Palace expands.
The French are building The Internet.

Turn 388 – 1846 AD
Start reduction of Besancon by air bombardment from Damascus. (f,?,?,Barracks,f,f)

Bombard Axelmanistan with Artillery. (-2,-1,-1,-1,Marketplace,-1 pop,f,-1 pop,f,f,-1,f,f,f,)
Move Tanks into attack positions.

Move artillery and Tank units towards Besancon.

IBT
The Mongols request an audience. The want a Trade Embargo
against the Aztecs. I show them the door.
Tank => Tank in Madrid, Madras, Calcutta, Elephantine, San Fransisco, Chittagong.
Battleship => Battleship in Delhi.
Jet Fighter => Bomber in Giza.
Atzcapotzalco flips to the Aztecs?

Turn 389 – 1848 AD
Attack at Alexmanistan.
Artillery prep. (f,f,f,-1,-1,-1,f,f,f,Library,f,f,f,f)
4/4 Tank vs. 2/4 MI, Tank 1/4. 5/5 Tank vs. 1/4 MI, Tank 3/5 and we have a new leader, Trotsky, as we take Alexmanistan, 14 Gold and kill a Destroyer. There is a resister. Start a Harbor.

We make Trotsky into an Army and add three tanks.

Land troops on far SW islands.

Bombardment of Besancon with air. (?,f,Temple,-1 pop,f,f)

IBT
France and Mongols have signed a peace treaty.
Keltoi and France have signed a peace treaty.
Keltoi declare war on the Iroquois.
Tank => Tank in Moscow, Bombay, New York, Boston, Heliopolis, Atlanta, LaHore, Thebes, Darhan,
Jet Fighter to Jet Fighter in Toledo.
Harbor in Dave McWorgborg.
Our Palace is expanded and is starting to look like The Capt.’s new cabin!! :king:
The French are building The Internet.

Turn 390 – 1850 AD
Check F7 and The Internet is being built in Besancon (good, no MI) and the U.N. is still only in Japan.

Battle for Jeddah.
Artillery prep. (-1 pop,-1 pop,f,f,-2,-1 pop,-1,f,Police Station,-1,-1 pop,Barracks,-1 pop,f,-1,f) From the air. (-1,f,f,-2 destroyed an MI,-1 pop,f,-2 destroyed an MI,f)
On the ground:
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 MI and kills him flawlessly, promotes.
4/4 Tank attacks 4/4 Militia and kills him, 2/4.
5/5 tank attacks 1/3 MI and kills him. We capture Jeddah and Leonardo’s Workshop, plus 1 Gold, start a Barracks.

Battle for Eboracum.
Bombard wirth Destroyers, -1 HP.
4/4 marine attacks 2/3 Spear and kills him without loss, we take Eboracum and 70 Gold. Eboracum has no improvements. Start a Harbor.

Battle for Oxford.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Rifle and defeats him, now 3/4. Take Oxford and 210 Gold. Install governor and start a Barracks.
The Keltoi have been destroyed!!

Move towards Besancon with Tanks and Artillery.
Cash rush a Carrier in Ulaanbaatar for 712 Gold.

IBT
The Iroquois take Brest.
Out Battleship is defeated by a French Destroyer. Ten a French Ironclad kills on of our Transports.
The Iroquois try to take Makkah but fail, losing 2 Tanks and killing 1 MI.
Tank => Tank in Washington, Madras, Seville.
Artillery => Artillery in Shanghai.
Carrier => Bomber in Ulaanbaater.
Alexmanistan flips to France.

Turn 391 – 1852 AD
Jeddah is a 29% flip risk, but we’ll see if we can change that.
Battle for Makkah.
Move Artillery up and begin bombardment. (f,-1 pop,Temple,f,-1 pop,-1 pop,f,-1 pop,-1,f,f,-1 pop,f,f,f,f,-1) That wasn’t very satisfactory!
From the air. (-1,f,Marketplace,f,Library,-2,f,f,f,-1) Hit everything but the military units!! :cry:
Decide to give the ground attack a chance, even though the top unit is 3/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/4 MI and, defensive free shot for a Militia takes 1 HP, the Tank dies inflicting 1 HP damage, but unit promotes.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/5 MI and, a redlined Militia takes a defensive free shot, misses, and the Tank wins, now 3/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 MI and the Tank dies, MI now redlined.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 MI and Tank wins, 3/4.
5/5 Tank attacks 1/3 MI and defeats him without loss.
5/5 Tank attacks 1/4 MI and defeats him, now 3/5.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Militia and defeats him, promotes, now 4/5.
4/4 Tank attacks 4/5 Cav and defeats him, now 3/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/3 Militia and Makkah is ours along with 3 Gold and Hoover Dam! There is 1 resister in Makkah and a Police Station. We keep it for now.
Start a Barracks.

4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Rifle and kills him, 3/4, taking Alexmanistan and 3 Gold, start a Harbor. Just noticed that we are no longer in Mobilization, guess it kicked out when we destroyed the Keltoi. Go back and mobilize the economy.

Prep for battle of Besancon.

IBT
The Japanese come to us demanding oil. We have plenty of gold to buy alliances so I refuse him. Japan declares war on us.
Japanese troops move near Warwick.
India and France have signed a peace treaty.
Bomber => Bomber in Nidaros.
Tank => Tank in New York, Memphis, Calcutta and San Francisco.
Jet Fighter => Jet Fighter in Seattle and Baltimore.

Turn 392 – 1854 AD
Sign an alliance with the Iroquois against the Japanese for our World Map plus 2946 Gold. The Iroquois declare on Japan.

Battle of Besancon.
Artillery Bombardment. (f,Harbor,f,-1,Marketplace,f,-1 pop,-1 pop,f,-1 pop,Library,f,f,f,Cathedral,Research Lab,f,f,f,f,f,-1,f,-1 pop,f,f,-1 pop,-2,f,University,-1,f,-1,f,f,-1 pop,f,-1,f,-1,f,Colosseum,-1,-1 pop,-1,Police Station,-1,f,-1,-1,f,f,-1,f,-1 pop,f)
Attack from the air. (f,f,-1,-1 pop,-1 pop,-1 pop,an MI dies,f,f,f) Talk about bombing someone back into the stone age!! :thumbsup:
On the ground.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/3 MI and defeats him, now 3/4.
5/5 Tank attacks 1/4 MI and defeats him flawlessly.
5/5 Tank attacks 1/4 MI and defeats him flawlessly.
5/5 Tank attacks 1/4 MI and defeats him flawlessly.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/2 Rifle and defeats him, redlining.
5/5 Tank attacks 1/2 Rifle and defeats him flawlessly, capturing the city and 6 Gold, as well as Universal Suffrage.
We enter the city victorious but find nothing but smoking rubble, an Aqueduct, Hydro Plant, Hospital and Universal Suffrage. The Capital moved to Baghdad.

Battle of Baghdad.
Move artillery into position and bombard the city. (f,f,-1 pop,f,-1,f,f,-1 pop,f,f,f,-1,f,-1 pop,f,f,f,f) Not enough damage, wait a turn. :coffee:

Battle of Kahnawake.
Artillery bombardment. (-1,f,-1 pop,f,Library,f,-1,Temple,f,f,f,-1 pop,f,-1) Only 1 HP damage to each unit, so we wait another turn.

Rush a Harbor in Bangalore for 112 Gold.
Rush an airfield in Kazan for 512 Gold.

Move a force of 20 Tanks to Tokyo’s gates.

The Japanese have 4 marines and an eilte Militia parked on the hill beside Warwick. While Warwick has some strategic value in denying Iron to England and in future operations, it is not that significant, so to deny the city to the Japanese, I abandon it.

To slow the movement of Japanese forces through English territory, I sign a Military Alliance with England against Japan for World Map, 342 Gold and 135 Gold per Turn. The English declare on the Japanese.

IBT
The Aztecs and England have signed a MA against Japan. Aztecs declare on Japan.
The Mongols have signed a Trade Embargo with Japan against us.
The Mongols and Japan have signed a MA against England. Mongol declare on England.
The Japanese use Bombers against our cities east of Moscow.
Some French MI attack Iroquois units out of their remaining cities.
A Destroyer escorting a Transport left Bahgdad, the new French Capital.
Orebro Bomber => Bomber
Tank => Tank in Moscow, Bombay, Boston, Madras, Atlanta, Chicago.
Harbor => Bomber in Bangalore.
Kazan Airport => Bomber.
The Mongols declare war on the Iroquois, MPP must have kicked in.
The Mongols declare war on us because of the MPP.

Turn 393 – 1856 AD
Transfer air assets to Dover to support Marine attacks of Shimonoseki.

Battle of Baghdad.
Artillery. (-1,f,f,-1 pop,-1,f,f,-1,f,-1 pop,-1 (there are 4 vet MI),-1,f,-1,f,f,-2,-1 pop,Have to bring some more guns from besancon operation,-1 pop,-2,-1 pop,-1 pop,f,-1,f,Temple,f,f,Marketplace,f,f,-1) All MI are redlined, so the tanks attack.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/4 MI and kills him flawlessly.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/4 MI and kills him flawlessly.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/4 MI and kills him flawlessly, promotes.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/4 MI and kills him, now 3/4. Two Destroyers go down with the city and we capture 8 Gold. We keep it for now.

Battle for Kahnawake.
Artillery. (f,f,-1,-1,f,f,Cathedral,-1,f,University,f,-1) There are now two redlined MI and we attack.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/3 MI and Tank dies.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/3 MI and kills him flawlessly.
4/4 tank attacks 1/4 MI and kills him flawlessly. We take Kahnawake and 8 Gold. There are 3 resistoer and no facilities, but I may need it for movement for a while.

The Capital of France is now on the island between the continents, in Dijon.

Battle of Cherbourg.
Artillery. (Temple,-1) That’s all the guns we have left after Kahnawake, so next turn.

Battle of Nagasaki.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Inf and kills him, now 3/4.

Battle of Chengdu.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Inf and defeats him flawlessly.
4/4 Tank attacks again against a 4/4 Frankish Axeman and defeats him flawlessly, promotes, and takes the city. Start a worker.

Battle of Xinjian (Japanese).
4/4 Cossack attacks 5/5 Cavalry and dies, Cavalry 2/5.

Battle for Sapporo.
Artillery. (f,f)
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Inf and kills him, 3/4, takes Sapporo and 4 Gold. There is one resister.

Battle for Tokyo.
No supporting artillery.
4/4 Tank attacks 4/4 Inf and Tank redlines, no damage to Inf. Guess we’ll need artillery support.
Bring down a huge stack of artillery for next turn!
Protect artillery stack and tank stack with armies.

Fly some tanks down to Kazan.
Change some tank builds in smaller cities to artillery to assualt the French on the middle island.

IBT
Some bombardment by Japan, should move fighter near Moscow.
Japanese transport ship near Dalandzadgad.
Tank => Tank in Madrid, Washington, New York, Calcutta, Thebes, Chittagong.
Battleship +. Battleship in Dehli.
Lots of pollution, yuk!!

Turn 394 – 1858 AD
Battle for Cherbourg.
Artillery, (f,-1,-1,-1,f,Library,f,f,-1) The two MI are redlined, start ground attack.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/3 MI and return artillery fire takes 1 HP and we defeat him, losing anopther HP, 2/4.
5/5 Tank attacks 1/3 MI and defeats him, now 4/5.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Rifle and defeats him, promotes, now 3/5.
We capture Cherbourg and 12 Gold, there are 3 resisters in the city.

Battle of Matsuyama.
5/5 Tank attacks 4/4 Inf and kills him flawlessly.
5/5 Tank attacks 3/3 Inf and kills him, now 3/5.

Battle for Tokyo (Size 17).
Artillery. (-1,-1,-1,-1 pop,-1,-1,f,-1 pop,f,f,Stock Exchange,f,f,f,f,-1,f,-1,f,f,f,-1 pop,f,f,f,f,f,f,f,f,-1 (all units are redlined but let’s see if we can take the pop down some more),-1 pop,f,f,f,-1 pop,f,f,f,f,Harbor)
Ground assualt.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/2 Inf and kills him, 3/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/3 Inf and kills him, 3/4.
5/5 Tank attacks 1/3 Inf and kills him, 4/5.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/4 Inf and kills him flawlessly.
We capture Tokyo and 8 Gold. There are 10 resisters and the city has a Bank, Hydro Plant and a Hospital. Start a Harbor.

Move a stack of artillery to threaten Kyoto next turn.
Prepare Tanks for Kyoto assualt.

Battle for Shimonseki.
Move Transport with Marines into position. Infantry defending.
Begin bombardment with aircraft. (f,f,-2,Barracks,Temple,Cathedral,f,f,-2,f) Two Infantry units were redlined.
Marines assualt.
4/4 Marine attacks 1/3 Inf and kills him, 2/4.
4/4 Marine attacks 1/3 Inf and kills him, we take the city, destroying 2 Ironclads and capturing 5 gold. There are 2 resisters in the city. Start a Harbor.

Battle for Nagasaki.
A Vet Inf in the open is attacked by a 4/4 Cossack and dies, Inf is now 2/4.
4/4 Cossack attacks 2/4 Inf and dies, Inf now 2/5.
3/4 Tank attacks 2/2 Inf in Nagasaki and tank dies, Inf now 2/3.

Battle for Choybalsan.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Rifle and defeats him, redlining.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Spear and kills him flawlessly, promotes and we take the city and 27 Gold. The city has 2 resisters and no improvements, start a Barracks.

Rush an airport in Kalmar.

IBT
The Mongols land a Militia near Moscow.
England wants to end or ROP agreement. It costs us WM and 217 Gold to renew.
We lose a Transport to an Ironclad. Arrrrgh!!
Erdenet was taken by a Japanese Marine.
Aztecs are complaining because we have troops in their territory.
Tank => Tank in Bombay, Madras, San Francisco.
Kalmar Airport => Tank.
A new source of oil popped up under Goteborg.

To be continued......... :p

Part 2 of the turn log:

Turn 395 – 1860 AD
We take back Erdenet.

Battle for Kyoto, Pop = 15.
Artillery prep. (-1,-1,Stock Exchange,Barracks,f,f,f,-1 pop,Cathedral,-1 pop,f,-1 pop,f,-1,Temple,Marketplace,f,f,-1,-1,-1,f,f,-1,f,Library,f,-1,f,Bank,-1,-1)
There are 9 Vet Inf in Kyoto, 4 are 2/4. Kyoto is on a hill, to attack or not?
Reinforce the artillery stack.

Setup for attack on Kagoshima next turn.

Attack Matsuyama.
5/5 Tank attacks 4/4 Marine and kills him, 3/5, captures the city and 6 Gold. There are 3 resisters and we start a Barracks.

Move air assets to western area where we need some bombard help.

IBT
Our Destroyer sinks a Japanese Ironclad.
The French land a Militia unit near Tolosa.
Tank => Tank in Moscow, New York, Boston, Seville,Calcutta, Atlanta.
Barcelona Temple => Barracks.
Tientsin Barracks => Tank.
The source of Aluminium in Santiago is exhausted.

Turn 396 – 1862 AD
Battle for Bayonne.
Artillery. (f,f,-1,-1 pop,Temple,f)
Bring in more artillery to bombard Bayonne with.

Set Jet Fighter to Air Superiority in Darhan.

Japanese have built a bunch of Marines and they are moving past Calixtlahuaca, south of Coventry, heading for the southern area. I have sent 5 or 6 tanks there to give them a warm welcome. :mischief:

Battle for Kyoto – 12 Pop.
Artillery prep.
(f,f,-1,f,-1 pop,f,-1 pop,-1,f,f,f,-1 pop,University,f,f,f,f,f,Colosseum,f,Factory,f,f,H ydro Plant,-2,-2,f,f,f,f,-1 pop,f,-2,-1 pop,-1,f,-1,-1,f)
Ground attack.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/4 Inf. and kills him, 3/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 Inf and kills him, 2/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 Inf and kills him, 1/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 Inf and kills him, 1/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 Inf and dies, Inf 1/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 Inf and dies, Inf 2/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 Inf and dies, Inf 2/5.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/5 Inf and kills him, 2/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/4 Inf and dies, Inf 2/5.
4/4 tank attacks 2/5 Inf and kills him, 3/4. We capture Kyoto and end the U.N. build. We capture Shakespeares Theater and 9 Gold. There are 6 resisters and we start a Barracks.

Change build in Tokyo to Barracks.

Attack on Kagoshima.
Artillery. (Marketplace,f,f,f,-2,f,f,-1 pop,-1,-1 pop,-1,f,Stock Exchange,f,f,-1 pop,-1,-1,f,Barracks,f,f,-1 pop,Temple,-1 pop,f,-1 pop,-1 pop,-1 pop,f,Library,-1 pop,Bank,-1 pop)
Ground attack.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/2 Inf and kills him flawlessly.
5/5 Tank attacks 1/3 Inf and kills him, 4/5.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/3 Inf and kills him flawlessly.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/4 Marine and kills him flawlessly.
We capture Kagoshima and 7 Gold. There is one resister in the city. Start a Barracks.

Battle for Nagoya.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Inf and kills him, 3/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/2 Inf and kills him, 2/4.
We capture Nagoya and 10 Gold. There is a Barracks but we abandon it with 6 resisters.

Battle for Nagasaki.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/5 Inf outside the city and defeats him, 3/4.
Aerial bombardment of the city. (Barracks,f,-1,f,f,-2,f,f,Harbor,f,) There are 2 Infantry, one vet and one reg, in the city.

F7 check, no one building the U.N., they wouldn’t dare!! :D

IBT
Tank kills an attacking Japanese Marine near Nagoya’s old site and promotes, 2/5.
Japanese Marines continue to move along down south.
France and Iroquois sign a peace treaty, need to have a look at this.
French Militia dies at Tolosa.
Japanese Marine dies, redlining a Tank.
Karakorum riots, hire an entertainer.
Orebro riots, Hire an entertainer.
Tank => Tank in Washington, Madras, Darhan.
Artillery => Artillery in Memphis.
Bomber => Bomber in Houston and New Orleans.
Almarikh riots, hire an entetainer.
Our Palace expands.

Turn 397 – 1864 AD
Battle for Bayonne.
Artillery prep. (f,-1,-1,f,f,f,Library,f,f,f,-1,f,-1,f,-1 pop)
Ground assualt.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 MI and dies, MI 1/4.
5/5 Tank attacks 1/3 MI and kills him flawlessly.
5/5 Tank attacks 1/4 MI and kills him flawlessly, taking Bayonne and 14 Gold.
We abandon Bayonne.

Set up for an attack on Osaka.
Move artillery inot position and then Tanks.

Make a move towards Edo (the new capital of Japan) with Artillery and Tanks.

Battle of Nagasaki (a thorn in the side!)
Aerial Bombardment. (-1 pop,-3,f,Temple,f,f,-1 pop,f,f,f)
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Inf and kills him, 3/4.
3/4 Tank attacks 1/4 Inf and kills him flawlessly, captures Nagasaki and 6 Gold.
There is 1 resister and we start a worker.

Battle of Hoyd.
Artillery prep. (-2,f)
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Rifle and kills him, 2/4.
5/5 Tank attacks 2/4 Rifle and kills him flawlessly, caprturing Hovd and 81 gold, destroying a Galleon. No resisters, start a Harbor.
That ends the Mongols. :wavey:

Battle of Xinjian (Japanese)
Aerial bombardment off a Carrier. (-1,-1 pop,f)
5/5 Tank attacks 4/5 Cav and kills him flawlessly, captures the city, 7 Gold and destroys a Galleon and Destroyer. Start Artillery.

Battle of Nemausus – Japanese Marines have made their way to the southern zone.
4/4 Tank attacks 5/5 Marine and Militia takes defensive free shot, -1 HP, and then kills the marine, 2/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 4/5 Militia and kills him flawlessly.
4/4 Tank attacks 4/4 Marine and retreats, Marine 2/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 4/4 Marine and retreats, Marine 2/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 4/4 Marine and kills him, 2/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 Marine and kills him, 2/5.
5/5 Cossack attacks 2/4 Marine and dies, Marine 2/4.

IBT
The Japanese capture Calixtahuaca with a Marine killing our Infantry. I couldn’t spell it anyway!
A Japanese Marine dies at Nemausu to our Tank.
We lost our supply of wines? I think we have our own, thanks. The Iroquois come calling looking for a massive handout of Horses, Saltpeter, and a few other things for 14 GPT. I clear the table and offer Saltpeter, he si willing to pay 31 GPT, so I offer it to him for 38 GPT and he accepts. We’ll break it soon enough.
Tank => Tank in Bombay, New York, Thebes,
Chittagong Artillery => Artillery.
Mandalgovi Barracks => Artillery.
Tokyo flipped back to the Japanese.
Shanghai riots, hire an entertainer and taxman.
Philadelphia riots, hire 7 taxmen.
Oslo riots, hire an entertainer.
What is going on? Heliopolis riots, hire two taxmen.
Alexandria riots, hire two taxmen.

Turn 398 – 1866 AD
Rush a Transport in Bangalore for 296 Gold.
Rush a Barracks in Nemausus for 20 Gold.
Change build in New Orleans to a Marketplace.
Change bases for aerial assets to Tientsin.

Battle of Toulouse.
Aerial bombard destroys Barracks and fails.
Move ground units into attack positions.

Battle to recapture Tokyo.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Rifle and kills him, 2/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/2 Rifle and kills him, 3/4.
3/4 Tank attacks 2/2 Rifle and kills him, 3/5.
We get Tokyo back, plus 9 Gold and 8 resisters, start a Barracks.

Battle for Osaka – 14 pop.
Artillery (-1,f,f,Barracks,f,f,-1 pop,-1 pop,-1,f,f,f,-1,-1 pop,-1 pop,-1,f,-1,-2,f,-2,-1,-1,-1,-1 pop,-1,f,-1 pop,Temple,Stock Exchange,f,f,f,-1,-1 pop)
Ground Assualt.
5/5 Tank attacks 1/3 Inf and kills him flawlessly.
5/5 Tank attacks 1/4 Inf and kills him, 4/5.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/4 Inf and kills him, 3/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/4 Inf and kills him, promotes, 4/5.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/4 Militia and kills him, 3/4, capture Osaka and 9 Gold.
There are 6 resisters and a Marketplace, Bank, hydro Plant and Hospital. Start a Barracks.

IBT
Tank => Tank in Madrid, Moscow, Madras, Calcutta, LaHore, San Francisco,
Artillery => Artillery in Bjoergvin, Bapedi,
Bomber => Bomber in Oslo,
Delhi Battelship => Battleship.
Philadelphia Tank => Artillery.
Bangalore Transport => Artillery.
Nemausus Barracks => Artillery.
Malinalco flips to the Aztecs???
Strasbourg Barracks => Tank.

Turn 399 – 1868 AD
Battle for Toulouse.
Aerial bombardment. (-1,f,-2,f,f,f,klled an Infantry,f,f,-1 pop)
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Marine and kills him, 3/4.
5/5 Tank attacks 2/4 Rifle and kills him, 4/5 and Zukhov is born. We capture the city and 5 Gold. There is 1 resister and we keep the city as an airbase here can reach the new French capital, I think. Start an Airport.

Battle of Canterbury.
Artillery takes 2 HP from a Japanese Marine.
4/4 Tank attacks 4/4 Marine and kills him, 2/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 4/4 Marine and kills him, promotes, 4/5.
4/5 Tank attacks 4/4 Marine and kills him, 2/5.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 Marine and kills him, 3/4.
The threat to Canterbury has been eliminated, for now.

Battle of Edo – size 6.
Artillery (f,Stock Exchange,f,f,-1,Harbor,Cathedral,f,-2,-1 pop,-2,f,Barracks,-1 pop,Temple,-1,f,Marketplace,f,Library,-1 pop,f,-1,f,f,-1,-1,f,-1,f,-1,-1 pop,f,-1 pop,f,Bank,f,f,f)
Ground assualt.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/2 Inf and, losing 1 HP to Artillery, kills him, 3/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/2 Inf and kills him flawlessly.
5/5 Tank attacks 1/4 Inf and kills him flawlessly.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/4 Inf and kills him, 2/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/4 Marine and kills him, 2/4, capturing Edo and 5 Gold and an Artillery piece. Start a Harbor.

Battle of Tlaxcala (Japanese)
4/4 Tank attacks 4/4 Inf and kills him, 3/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Inf and retreats, Inf is 2/3.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/3 Inf and dies, Inf 1/3.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/3 Inf and kills him, 2/4, captures Tlaxcala and 6 Gold. Start a Barracks.

Battle for Toyama (Japanese)
4/4 Tank attacks 4/4 Militia and kills him, 2/4, captures Toyama and 6 Gold, autorazes.

Battle for Entremont.
4/4 Tank attacks 4/4 Inf and retreats, Inf 4/4.
5/5 Tank attacks 4/4 Inf and dies, Inf 2/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/2 Inf and kills him flawlessly.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/4 Inf and kills him flawlessly, capture city and 6 Gold. Start a Harbor.

Battle for Poitiers.
Artillery. (f,Library,-1 pop,-1,f,University,f,f,f,-1,f,f,f,f,f)
4/4 Tank attacks 3/5 MI and kills him flawlessly, captures Poitiers and 24 gold.
Abandon city.
The French are removed from their original continent!! :clap:

Move units into attack positions for Nara.
We need an ROP with the Aztecs, so I give them Horses for an ROP.

Attack Richborough (Japanese)
4/4 Tank attacks 2/2 Inf and dies, Inf promotes, 2/3.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/3 Inf and kills him, takes Richborough and 7 Gold. Start a Barracks.

Attack at Ise.
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Inf and kills him, 3/4, takes Ise and 7 Gold. Start a Barracks.

Attack at Gergovia
4/4 Tank attacks 2/2 Inf and kills him flawlessly, promotes and take Gergovia and 8 Gold. Start a Barracks.

Rush Artillery production in Alexandria (24 Gold), Baltimore (136 Gold), Santiago (40 Gold), Memphis (232 Gold), and Giza (228 Gold).
Rush Transport in Dalandzadgad for 64 gold.
Ooops, forgot, when Mongols were eliminated, need to remobilize the economy, so I do so.

IBT
Tank retreats near someplace I can’t spell down south, Calixtlahuaca.
Bomber => Bomber in Nidaros,
Tank => Tank in Washington, New York, Boston, Atlanta, Elephantine,
Artillery => Artillery in Memphis, Alexandria, Giza, Santiago, baltimore,
Bengal flips to the French, they’re back!!
Detroit Barracks => Bomber.
Dalandzadgad Transport => Artillery.
Shimonoseki riots, hire 2 taxmen.
We get another palace expansion, this one is for the Harem!! :rockon:
The Japanese are building the U.N., again? :p

Turn 400 – 1870
The Japanese are building the U.N. in Gandasetaigon.
Change production in Snagarst to Transport.
Make Zukhov into an Army.
Move Artillery to be available to Iroquois capital, Salamanca.

Attack at Bengal.
5/5 Tank attacks 3/3 Rifle and kills him, re-taking Bengal. Start a Harbor.

Attack on Nara (Japanese capital).
Artillery. (f,-2,f,Barracks,f,f,-1 pop,f,f,-1,-1 pop,-1 pop,-1,f,-1 pop,-1,-1,Temple,Marketplace,-1 pop,Library,Cathedral,f,f,-1 pop,f,University,f,f,-1 pop,Colosseum,f,f,-1 pop,f)
Ground assualt.
4/4 Tank attacks1/3 Inf and kills him, 3/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 1/3 Inf and kills him, 3/4.
5/5 Tank attacks 1/2 Rifle and kills him, 3/5.
5/5 Tanks attacks 1/2 Rifle and kills him, 2/5, captures Nara and 5 Gold. There is 1 resister and we start a Barracks.

Battle of Teotihuacan (Japanese).
4/4 Tank attacks 3/3 Inf and retreats, Inf 2/3.
4/4 Tank attacks 2/3 Inf and kills him, 3/4, capturing the city and 5 Gold.
There are 2 resisters and we start a Barracks.

Battle of Calixtlahuaca (Japanese).
4/4 Tank attacks 3/4 Marine in the open and kills him, 2/4.
4/4 Tank, attacked in ZOC loses 1 HP, attacks 5/5 Marine in the city and retreats, marine 5/5.
4/4 Tank attacks 5/5 Marine outside of city (the one that has ZOC) and kills him, 1/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 4/4 Marine (same place as 5/5 Marine) and kills him, 3/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 5/5 Marine in city and kills him, 3/4.
4/4 Tank attacks 5/5 Marine in city and kills him, 3/4.
We capture the city and 6 Gold and there is a Barracks in it. Start a Harbor.

Battle of Gandasetaigon (Japanese).
Aerial bombardment. (-2,-1 pop,f,-2,f,f,-2,f,f,kill an Inf.)
4/4 Tank attacks 1/3 Rifle and dies??

Good luck finding everything Alan, then, Have some FUN!! :groucho:

@leif :goodjob: Now it's Hunt the Thimble time, I guess!

Mistfit On deck
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Capt Buttkick Skipping.

I'll get it shortly. Just doing some catching up after my loss of Internet access over the weekend.

Good work leif.

Time for the Conquest Master to show us how its done - Good Luck Alan

Great turns Leif!

Here's what's left boys!
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/What::s_Left.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/What::s_Left2.jpg

45 cities is all we have left to clean up! That's quite a turnaround from when Alan started our latest offensive against the Frence only a few turn sets ago. :goodjob:

If it is quicker I wouldn't feel bad about taking small Iroquois cities for peace and turning around and declaring war on them.

Don't worry about hitting the domination limit because even if we captured all of the remaining cities in their current expanded state we would only have 976 more tiles.

Have at 'em Alan. I don't plan on having much of a game left to complete if it even gets around to me again.

Sheesh! That's some scene of devastation! You guys have been busy since I last saw it! The Iroquois have been busy bees as well, haven't they :)

I think you'll still have a bit to do, Mistfit. 45 cities in 15 turns would be going some!

PS What utility are you using?

PS What utility are you using?

CrpSuite ~ Viewer ver 2.9.0

Ahah. I've only used CRpMapstat. I didn't realise Viewer gave a map as well.

I like viewer because it seems to show the map in a bit better detail and you can forward it turn per turn to see the action. I went though our last 3 or 4 turn sets just to watch the colors disappear :evil: I also Like it because at the left of the map (which I cropped) it shows a legend with the color next to the civ name. I am horrible at remembering which color is which civ.

I think you'll still have a bit to do, Mistfit. 45 cities in 15 turns would be going some!
45 Cities in 15 turns may be a little much, but there aren't that many big Iroquois cities left, perhaps 8 or 10. One thing I learned to do to speed things up was to take the Artillery and keep it in 2 or 3 even sized groups. As you well know, the problem with Artillery is that you can't just move and shoot, but move and wait and move and shoot. I found it faster to leap frog the stacks of artillery so that one is always setting up while another is firing. The cities were generally close enough to allow this to work with minimal time lost.

The Aztecs are pretty backwards and, iirc, the English may put up some fight.

The hardest part for me was getting oriented to where things were after you all tore through so much, and finding all the units. I may have made that harder by fortifying some of them, sorry Alan. :blush: I tried to think of something I could do to make it easier, but failed to come up with anything useful.

I'm going to give it a shot. Yes, the Iroquois only have two cities over size 12, but they do have 45 MI in their 23 cities.

I'm thinking in terms of a timetable like: France, Japan, Aztecs (RoP rape), England, Iroquois (RoP rape), overlapping, with a side order of Indian biryani somewhere along the way. I suspect all but Iroquois wll be dead in eight turns. If I can also have taken out part of the Iroquois core by then I stand a chance of finishing it in the next seven.

Logistics is a challenge, as ever. I think I've found the best sea transport options, but lack of rails in the south west may slow things down a bit.

If you are close at the end of your 15 turns feel free to finish them off. Or I can play clean up if needed. (I still think you will find a way within your 15 turns to do it though:D )

Logistics is a challenge, as ever. I think I've found the best sea transport options, but lack of rails in the south west may slow things down a bit.

This is where combat settlers would allow you to wrap it up quickly, but not in this game. If the cultural boundaries are tight enough you might try only moving in part of the artillery to attack with and then move the rest before abandoning the city. You could rush a bunch of bombers instead.

Turn 400 1870 AD Preflight

Objective: Eliminate six civs and 45 cities as fast as possible, target 15 turns.

Status:

We are at war with France and Japan

France has three cities, all on the small island east of Moscow.
Japan also has three cities, two are east of Moscow. Their capital is on a single tile island east of Iroquois. We have troops in the area but no boats. Interestingly CRpMapstat says we have a 12 turn deal outstanding with Japan :hmm:

We are at peace with the other four and have RoPs with England, Iroquois and Aztecs. We have no deals in progress with India.

We have no resource imports. We are exporting coal, saltpeter and incense to Iroquois and horses to Aztecs.

We are paying 135 gpt to England for an alliance against Japan. We receive 38 gpt from Iroquois for saltpeter.

Japan: 3 cities.
Marines from Shimonoseki in the south can travel to Izumo to take out the Japanese capital in 3 or 4 turns.

We should take Gandesetaigon next turn. We have a transport that can move troops to take Yokohama next turn, and then take them on to the French island. Target turn 405.

France: 3 cities.
There are 5 military units left in France - 4 mech infantry and 1 cavalry. We'll land a transport full of tanks and they should be able to finish France. Target turn 404

Aztecs: 8 cities.
We have 19 turns of RoP left with them, which we'll have to renege on. As I don't see any need for further RoP renewals now, I'll exploit it to get troops into position during the next couple of turns to kill them fast. There are 4 towns scattered around the western archipelago. We have troops there and can get to them. 4 towns on their mainland home territory will fall to our existing troops there. Target turn 405.

England: 7 cities.
When we kill Japan our alliance with England ends along with payment of 135 gpt. We'll take them out next. They only have infantry, four towns on the southern mainland, one in former northern France, and two in the southern islands. We need some transport for the troops we have in the south to reach the latter, and the others will be reachable by our existing mainland troops. We have two transports near Moscow that can head that way. Target turn 408.

India: 1 city.
Take out with troops in the north.

Iroquois: 23 cities.
We have a spy. They have 45 MI, 5 marines and two tanks. Only 2 metropolis'. We'll focus our arty on these, take out the core first, then spread out and mop up the rest. Target turn 415.

Rush some units. Move the stack from Snagarst to the eastern mainland under escort. Land 12 units, 6 more ready to move next turn. Move two transports west towards southern islands. Load up extra tanks into transport near Darhan to move to Yokohama then France. Move a stack of workers to Goteburg to embark for the western archipelago. We need better road/rails over there. Galleon from Elephantine towards Dallas for upgrade. Move a tank ready to attack a loose Japanese marine near Coventry. Discover 2 more in the area. I think I'll let them have their wicked way with Coventry. If they capture it I can clean it up before I declare on England.

Hit next turn

IBT India complains about our troops. OK, we'll move. Japan bombs a bit. Iroqquois stack moves south west. Heading for?? French ironclads bombard, isolate Karachi. Pollution Delhi.
Delhi, Orebro, Moscow, Bombay, New York, Madras, Seville, Calcutta, Chicago, Chittagong tank->tank
Karakorum, Zimbabwe, Shanghai, Hlobane, Isandhlwana, Intombe, arty->arty
Makkah worker->arty
Barcelona barracks->tank
Snagarst transport->transport

Turn 401 1872 AD
@Gandasetaigon (Japan, pop 4, tundra): 4/4 tank kills 3/3 militia and takes town. 3 resisters, harbour.

Carrier group moves towards town and bomber sinks Japanese ironclad outside

@Yokohama (Japan, pop 4, tundra): bombers kill 2 pop points, Jet fails, arty fails, arty kills one pop. Now pop 1. Bomber redlines reg infantry. Bomber -1hp, bomber cathedral, bomber kills infantry, fighter destroys harbourbomber kills infantry. Now only ironclad in residence.

Upgrade gallewon at Dallas. Workers into transports at Gothenburg.

Near Coventry Japanese marines have pillaged iron, and Iroquois marine has killed one.
Transport lands three tanks next to town and continues with three nmore to Gandasetaigon.
4 marines in trasnport head north from Shimoseki towards Izumo

Iroquois stack is 1 MI, 2 tanks, 1 para, 4 marines and a militia! That's all of his offensive capability except one marine. Currently near Richborough in former Keltoi. If we can catch them in the open we'll reduce his capability a tad. Not quite ready yet, we need to heal some more tanks.

IBT
Japan moves an ironclad.
Iroquois wants to swap world maps. OK, for 5 gold. I'm a skinflint!
Iroquois bomber sinks redlined Japanese galleon near Gandasetaigon.
Another Japanese marine is killed near Coventry. France ironclad bombards road to Baghdad, no damage.
Washington, New York, San Francisco, Thebes tank->tank

Turn 402 1874 AD
Tank rolls into Yokohama, sinks ironclad and galleon. Pop 1 taxman, market.
2 bombers from carrier strafe Japanese ironclad near Gandasetaigon and sink it.
Move carrier group to Dijon (France). Bombard with destroyer and fighter. Knock 1 hp off each of the two regular MI in residence.

France is inventing a Cure for Cancer ... bless!

IBT
England/France peace treaty.

Moscow, Bombay, New York, Boston, Madras, Calcutta, Atlanta, tank->tank
Baghdad worker->workerChengdu flips to Japan. No garrison
Denver harbour->Barracks
Propaganda hits Tokyo. They're upset!

Turn 403 1876 AD
@Chengdu: tank kills rifle and destroys town.
@Izumo: marine dies vs infantry->2/4, marine dies vs infantry->1/3, marine dies vs 2/4 infantry, no damage. marine kills 2/4 infantry, no damage. 1/3 infantry remains.
Bombers from carrier and from Toulouse reduce Centralia to pop 1, destroy barracks, MI to 2/3
Investigate Tlatelolco (Aztecs) 134 gold: 3 vet rifles one conscript. Pop 12.
Move 8 tanks to take it.
Investigate Texcoco (Aztecs) 110 gold: 1 vet rifle, 1 regular. pop 10.
4 tanks should take it.
Renew ROP with Iroquois for 23 gpt.
Position troops outside Aztec cities. We can't reach the SW ones on the first turn, but should clean them up on the next. Declare war on Aztecs.

@Tlatelolco:
vTank kills 4/4 rifle -> 3/4
vTank retreats from 4/4 rifle -> 2/4
vTank kills 4/4 rifle -> 2/4
vTank kills 2/2 rifle -> 2/4
vTank kills 2/4 rifle, promotes 5/5, takes city, 10 resisters 1 taxman, market

@Texcoco:
vTank retreats from 4/4 rifle -> 3/4
vTank kills 3/3 rifle -> 2/4
eTank kills 3/4 rifle -> 1/5, takes city 5 resisters 4 taxmen, barracks, market, bank.

@tenochtitlan:
vTank kills 3/3 rifle, no damage
vTank kills 2/2 rifle -> 1/5, takes town, 3 resisters, granary, market, police

@Tula:
vTank kills 3/3 rifle, takes town, 2 resisters 2 taxmen

@Tamuin:
vTank kills 4/4 militia to clear road to Tamuin. No damage.
vTank kills 2/2 rifle sinks galleon, destroys Tamuin.

Aztecs are off the mainland.

On western archipelago ...
@Atzcapotzalco: vTank kills 3/3 rifle, takes town 1 resister, 2 tax, barracks

@Malinalco: vTank kills 3/3 rifle and takes town 1 resister, 2 tax

@Tlacopan: vCossack kills 3/3 spear. 3/3 Axeman standing.

@Xochicalco: vCossack kills 3/3 spear, takes town 2 resisters

Near Richborough, vTank kills 4/4 Aztec militia, promotes to 4/5

Try planting a spy in England, 64 gold. Success. They have 8 infantry, 4 rifles, 1 galleon.
Investigate Coventry 80 gold: 1 reg infantry, 1 conscript.
We should be able to take it with 6 tanks max. The others are pop 6 and lower.
Line up tanks next to English cities. Hurry a transport at Richborough to go after Liverpool (384 gold). Declare war.

@Coventry:
vTank retreats from 3/3 infamtry -> 2/3
vTank dies vs 2/2 infantry, promotes him to 3/3
vTank kills 3/3 infantry -> 2/4
vTank retreats from 2/3 infantry
vTank kills 2/3 infantry, takes city 4 resisters 2 taxmen

@York:
vTank dies vs 3/3 infantry -> 1/3
vTank dies vs 3/3 rifle -> 2/3
vTank kills 2/4 rifle, no damage.
vTank kills 1/3 infantry -> 3/4 takes town 4 resisters 1 taxman

@Newcastle:
vTank kills 2/2 infantry -> 1/4
vTank kills 2/2 infantry, promotes to 4/5 takes town 4 resisters 1 taxman

@London: vTank kills 3/3 infantry -> 3/4 takes town 2 resisters 1 taxman

@Southend:
vTank kills 3/3 rifle -> 2/4
vTank dies vs 3/3 rifle -> 1/3
vTank kills 1/4 rifle -> 3/4 takes town

@Hastings in north:
vTank retreats vs 3/3 infantry -> 2/3
vTank kills 2/3 infantry, takes town 1 resister

Rush some stuff.

IBTIndia and England TE
Nothing dramatic.
Madrid, Delhi, Washington, New York, Thebes, Chittagong, Darhan, Snagarst tank->tank
Stockholm, Lahore marine->marine
Richborough transport->transport
Matsuyama worker->worker
Cataractorum barracks->tank

Turn 704 1878 AD
Bomb Centralia - kill one MI, redline another, -1hp from militia. Move two tanks in for the kill next turn.

@Tlacopan: Fighter bombs axeman to 2/3, vTank kills axeman & takes town. Aztecs are gone.

@Izumo: 4/4 marine dies vs. 3/3 infantry -> 1/3. Transfer 2 new marines

Investigate Hyderabad 47 gold: reg rifle, reg spear, pop 4, grass. Declare war and deliver 5 tanks. Only trouble is there's a worker on the drop zone :(

Remobilize

IBT
Militia seen fleeing from Centralia into mountains.
Moscow, Bombay, New York, Madras, Calcutta, San Francisco tank->tank
Heliopolis marine->marine
Toledo fighter->fighter

Turn 705 1880 AD
@Centralia: 2 bombers kill 3/3 MI leaving the town open. Tank rolls in. 1 resister
@Dijon: Bombing runs kill to pop 1, damage 2 MI.

IBT
Some French moves - MI exits Dijon, loses 1hp to a tank. Militia approaches Centralia again.
Kyoto worker->worker
Washington, New York, Boston, Madras, Philadelphia, Seville, Atlanta,
Memphis marine->marine
Tokyo flips to Japan with one tank
Matsuyama flips to Iroquois with one tank

It'll be war with Iroquois then!

Turn 706 1882 AD
@Dijon:
Bombers miss a lot, but redline MI leaving a reg rigle on top.
vTank kills 3/3 rifle -> 1/4
vTank kills 1/3 MI -> 3/4 and takes Dijon with 54 gold and 1 resister

@Izumo: 2 marines die vs infantry-> 2/3 :(

@Liverpool: vTank kills 3/3 infantry and 3/3 rifle and takes town. England dead.
@Hyderabad:
vtank retreats from 3/3 rifle -> 2/3
vTank kills 2/3 rifle->3/4
vTank kills 3/3 spear and 3/3 LB, no damage. Takes town and destroys the solid Indians.

@Tokyo:
eTank kills 3/3 rifle -> 3/5, kills 2/2 rifle, no further damage.
Still a 2/2 rifle in the town! eCossack kills him -> 3/5 and retakes Tokyo

Declare war on Iroquois
@Salamanca pop 23:
arty: f,barracks,f,-1pop,f,temple,market,f,f,-1hp,-1pop,-1hp,f,f,f,-1hp,f,f,f,-1hp,f,f,f,-1pop,f,-1pop
eTank dies vs 3/3 MI->2/3
eTank dies vs 3/3 MI->1/3
eTank kills 3/4 MI->4/5
eTank kills 3/4 MI->1/5
eTank dies vs 3/4 MI->2/4
eTank dies vs 2/3 MI -> 3/4
eTank kills 3/4 MI->4/5
eTank kills 2/3 MI->1/5
eTank dies vs 2/3 MI -> 2/4
vTank kills 2/4 MI no damage
vTank dies vs 2/4 MI->2/5
vTank kills 2/5 MI->3/4
vTank kills 1/3 MI, no damage, takes city, Copernicus, 120 gold, 17 resisters

@Maunch Chunk pop 9:
arty: f,-1pop,-1hp,-1hp,-1pop,f,-1hp,f,f,barracks,f,f,
4/4 tank kills 2/3 MI
4/4 tank kills 1/2 MI
5/5 tank kills 1/2 MI, takes town. 81 gold. 6 resisters.

@Allegheny pop 10:
arty: f,barracks,f,-1hp,-1hp,temple,-1pop,-1pop,f,f,f,market,uni,-1hp-1hp,f,library,-1pop,f,-1hp
Tanks can't reach

vTank kills 4/4 marine in open, no damage.
eTank retreats from eMarine in open->3/5.
etank kills 3/5 marine, no damage.

@Niagara Falls, pop 8:
arty: f,f,-1pop,-2hp,f,f,-1pop=6,f,f,f,-2hp,stock,-1pop,-1pop,-1hp,-1hp,f,f,police,f,-1hp,barracks,f,f,f,temple,-1hp-1pop,
eTank dies vs 2/4 MI
eTank kills 4/4 marine
vTank kills vPara in open
vTank kills 1/3 MI->3/4
vTank kills 1/3 MI->3/4
vTank kills 1/4 MI->2/4, takes town, 55 gold 2 resisters

@Oil Springs, pop 5:
arty: stock,barracks,f,f,-1pop,temple,f,market,-1pop,f,library
eTank kills 4/4 MI->3/5
eTank dies vs 4/4 MI->3/4
vTank kills 3/3 MI->2/4
vTank dies vs 3/4 MI->2/5
vTank kills 2/5 MI no damage, takes town 58 gold 2 resisters

@Satsuma pop 1:
eTank dies vs 4/4 MI->2/4
vTank kills 2/4 MI->2/4 takes town 56 gold, 1 resister.

@Catteraugus pop 10:
eTank dies vs. 4/4 MI->2/4

@Kente, home island, pop 2:
Bomber redlines infantry.bomber destroys temple,
eTank dies vs 3/3 MI ->2/3
vTank dies vs 2/2 MI->3/3
eTank dies vs 3/3 MI->2/3
vTank dies vs 3/4 MI->1/4
vTank kills 2/3 MI->2/4
vTank kills 1/4 MI no damage takes city 87 gold 9 resisters
vTank kills 2/4 MI->1/4

@Akwesasne pop 7:
vTank dies vs 3/3 MI->3/4
vTank dies vs 3/3 MI->3/4
vTank kills 3/4 MI->2/4
vTank kills 3/4 MI->1/4 takes city, 93 gold, 6 resisters

@Tonawanda:
vTank kills vTank in the open near Tonawanda
vTank kills 3/3 MI promotes to 5/5
vTank dies vs 3/3 MI->4/4
vTank dies vs 4/4 MI->1/4
vTank kills 1/4 MI and takes town 60 gold, 3 resisters

@Grand RIver pop 6:
etank dies vs 4/4 MI->3/4
vTank dies vs 3/3 MI->2/3
vTank dies vs 3/4 MI->4/5
Army kills 4/5 MI->
vTank kills 2/3 MI->2/4 takes town, 63 gold, 5 resisters

Now we can reach Allegheny:
3 vTanks kill stray MI and marine
4 vTanks kill 3 redlined MI and take town 65 gold, 5 resisters.

@Caughnawaga pop 3:
vTank dies vs 4/4 MI->2/4
vTank dies vs 3/3 MI->2/3
vTank kills 2/3 MI->3/4
vTank kills 2/4 MI no damage takes town 67 gold 2 resisters

@Hakodate pop 3: vTank kills 4/4 MI->2/4 takes town, 70 gold 2 resisters

@Gewauga pop 3: vTank dies vs 3/3 MI->2/3, vTank dies vs 2/3 MI->2/4, vTank kills it->2/4 takes town 73 gold

@Brest pop 5: vTank kills 3/3 MI->1/4 takes town, 76 gold

@Kawauka pop 5: vTank kills 4/4 MI->2/4, vTank dies vs 3/3 MI no damage, vTank kills it->2/4 takes town 80 gold

@gavagaahe pop 2: vTank dies vs 4/4 MI no damage. vTank dies vs 4/4 MI->3/5. vTank kills 3/3 MI->1/4. eTank dies ->1/5. vTank kills it and takes town. 84 gold

@Matsuyama (home island, pop 3): 3 vTanks required to dislodge 3/3 MI

IBT Attack from Kiohero by knight. Fails. French naval moves. Barb warrior shows up.
Delhi tank, Nagasaki worker,

Turn 707 1884 AD
@Kiohero: Knight army kills rifle, Cossack kills cavalry, Cossack killls LB. Take town, 94 gold.

@Oka pop 5: vTank dies vs 2/2 MI->2/3. vTank kills 2/3 MI->2/4. vTank kills 3/3 rifle. vTank kills 3/3 spear, takes town, 102 gold.

@St.Regis pop 3: eTank kills 4/4 MI. 2 vKnights kill 2/2 MI take town 112 gold.

@Izumo: Marine kills infantry, takes town. Japan is dead.

@Agedinicum (France): vTanks kill rifle and MI and take town, 163 gold. French dead.

@Kente: Bombers redline infantry and rifle, vTank kills them takes town, 127 gold.

@Ganogeh: Bombers kill rifle, militia and spear defenders. Cossack will take it next turn.

Stand everyone down. Move to take the last three cities.

IBT
Cossack takes Ganogeh undefended, 147 gold.

Turn 708 1886 AD
Tanks take the last two Iroquois towns and we are alone. Isn't RoP rape fast :D

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Woohoo!
I was going to say finally, but that would have been a bit detrimental to Alan's awsome effort in those last turns :goodjob:

:clap: congratulations.
Nice war mongering in the end. :goodjob:
But the early empire development. :eek: :p :crazyeye:

I forgot that I put Southend in the English city list.

Well done guys. ... but it was only Regent after all :mischief:

:clap: congratulations.
Nice war mongering in the end. :goodjob:
But the early empire development. :eek: :p :crazyeye:
:lol: The notion that we could rush an FP stuck with all team members. I don't know why so I'm as :confused: and :crazyeye: as you.
With the start we had, I think we did ok, specially after I left the team :rolleyes:

:goodjob: Way to bring it home Alan. Midway through the game I had doubts that we would be able to take out France.

Nice recovery, now to see how we should have done it.

Nice job Alan!! :goodjob: That's how to clean it up. :cool:

While we didn't come away with any laurels this month, I sure learned a lot. Thanks to all my teamates... :beer:

And it definately time for
:band: :banana: :rockon:

A couple of pointers I picked up from my turn set:

1. During the end game you just throw everything at the enemy until you can't reach any more cities. There are no prizes for having units standing around at the end (although we had plenty of those). Bombardment didn't give me the red-lined defenders I hoped for in the initial hit on the Iroquois, but I just threw tanks at the problems until they went away.

2. When you can't reach any more AI cities don't forget to check for the ones you forgot :hmm: I nearly missed out on taking out Hastings during my rape of England, and I did forget to deal with Kiohero, the odd Iroquois town on a peninsula on our west coast. The latter could have delayed the end, but luckily the attack Hiawatha launched from there in the inter-turn didn't take out our local town, and we had enough units within striking distance to take it out next turn. Our knight army showed his mettle, taking down a rifle.

3. If you are going to RoP rape do the job properly! I didn't put our troops within range of all the locations I could have before declaring - notably the ones near Moscow, so the Iroquois finale took a turn or so longer than necessary.

4. Lethal air bombardment is awesome. I couple of times in this turn set, and once in my previous one, I was able to use bombers to wipe out all the defenders in towns and then walk in unchallenged.

5. Short rushing isn't only useful when a city is producing a small number of the unit shields required in each turn. New York was producing 90 shields per turn, and I was using short rushing in New York to get a tank every turn. For 80 gold I rushed a worker to put 10 shields in the empty box each turn, then switched to tank to get the other 90 shields. 80 gold per tank was a bargain basement price. The alternative was to wait two turns for each tank and waste 80 shields building each one, or to build infantry every turn. I don't build that many infantry! :rolleyes:

Thanks for a very interesting game, guys. We must do this again some time! Oh, that's right - we already are! :mischief: We'll have to keep the rule book open at all times to ensure we aren't making ASS-umptions in future games ;)

While we didn't come away with any laurels this month
But I finished one of these things without gaining any wooden utensils though!

Great Turnset Alan. I told you that you'd be able to pull it off :D I'm glad it was you playing that turnset as I'm sure you shaved quite a few turns off from what I could have done!

Thanks again to all for pulling me along in this one. Once we got the War Machine going it was great fun.