MINISTRY OF STATE AUTHORIZED VIOLENCE 980 AD -



CHIEF OF STAFF

PROVOLUTION

Consolidating in the Desert Town of Kagemusha

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I will establish Three Military Army Command Centers and Two Naval Command
Centers. I will therefore appoint no less than Seven Military Staff Commissions
in the Japanatican Imperial Force from the MSAV.

I will establish the following positions, which are all important jobs.

MSAV can offer the following Staff positions, in which two warrants relocalization to Kagemusha, the Area 51 of Japanatica.

Serving in the Central Military Command of Kagemusha

General Minister of Procurement and Logistics and Exploration
in charge of the Japanatican Exploration Expedition


EPITMETHIUS


GENERAL OF MINAMI ARMY
Southern Imperial Japanatican Army - Hero Ronin of Roma
Gerunshi

CIVANATOR

Grand Admiral of Military Intelligence and Police
in charge of the Japanatican Privateer Corps
in charge of Imperial Commando of Seven Samurai


ALI

GENERAL OF KITANO ARMY, Kitano and Zarnia Provinces

CYC

Northern Imperial Japanatican Army - Hero Samurai of Fanatikku
Zojoji

CHIEFTESS

ADMIRAL OF SHIKEN NAVY
Eastern Imperial Japanatican Navy
Port Solema


CLASSICAL HERO

ADMIRAL OF SHORAI NAVY
Western Imperial Japanatican Navy
Zojoji



FUTURE MILITARY POSITIONS WILL BE:

AIR MARSHAL OF THE JAPANATICAN AIRFORCE

@Provolution, I would like to withdraw from my post to consentrate on my Trade role, whatever it will be.

BTW, congrats on your reelection. You had the greatest lead in all the polls.

BTW, congrats on your reelection. You had the greatest lead in all the polls.

All 4 polls :lol:. Anyways, congrats Provo, and you spelled Kitakinu as Kitano.

MSAV TERM IV HAS INTRODUCED MEDAL AWARDS FOR MILITARY ACTION

MEDAL CEREMONY

FOR CREATING A GREAT LEADER
JAPANATICAN 5 SWORDS ORDER GIVEN TO GRAND ADMIRAL ALI, AND ELITE SAMURAI ARMY NAMED AFTER HIM

FOR CREATING 4 ELITES
JAPANATICAN SERVICE MEDAL GIVEN TO GENERAL CYC

FOR CONQUERING A CITY
JAPANATICAN BATTLE CROSS GIVEN TO GRAND ADMIRAL ALI AND GENERAL CYC FOR THE CONQUEST OF TUGELA AND THE DIAMOND MONOPOLY
JAPANATICAN BATTLE CROSS GIVEN TO GENERAL CIVANATOR AND ADMIRAL ALI FOR THE CONQUESTS OF MAUNG CHUNK, SOUTH ROME AND IROQ.

FOR CONQUERING A CAPITAL
JAPANATICAN IMPERIAL STAR GIVEN TO ADMIRAL CHIEFTESS AND GENERAL CIVANATOR FOR THE CONQUEST OF SALAMANCA

FOR CONQUERING A WONDER
DRAGON STAR GIVEN TO ADMIRAL CHIEFTESS AND GENERAL CIVANATOR FOR THE PYRAMIDS AND SIXTINE CHAPEL

FOR WOUNDED UNITS DOWN TO 1 LIFE
PURPLE SNAKE, GIVEN TO GENERAL CYC, GENERAL CIVANATOR AND ADMIRAL CHIEFTESS

FOR RESCUING A BESIEGED NATION
JAPANATICAN HONOR CREST
Not yet taken place

Civilian Military Advocation Honors

Military technology Honor GIVEN TO CIVMAN2004 STRIDER FOR SCIENCE DOCTRINE

For saving time between game sessions, providing a long term effective strategy, thus positively impacting military, economy and demographics extremely positively.

Military Cultural Conquest Honor

For the flip-over of Hlobane, with coal and horses, giving an edge in the Zulu war, given both to MOTH and Ashburnham. Also for the timely deployment of Heroic Epic in Regent Town, in many ways leading to the Great Leader.

Military Strategic resource acquisition honor (trade)
This has not been given out yet, and we have given no military aid either.

Military Alliance Honor (FA)
We made no good military alliances yet, so this is not yet given away.

Military Reform Honor (Domestic)

For the good handling of upgrades, and the monetary build up for future reforms, I have to give this to Zarn and Donsig, enabling smooth transitions in the development of our new military.

Military Report for Japanatica 1425 AD

162 Units
162 Gold turn expense (Democracy)

Civilians
3 Settlers (Recommend Babylonian Frontier Settlement, and one overseas)
67 Workers (remember these workers count for the majority of our gold)

I recommend a worker maximum of 70 workers/gold expense, since a new government type as well as new security and upgrade needs may carry such a large burden. We need to expand, but balanced. We are now 1 worker away from this cap, otherwise, we will drown turnchats in worker moves.

I will seek to keep the military at 130 units during Term V.

Presently we have 92 military units as it stands, representing 62.33 of our total unit count. I want this to gradually increase to 75 %, also included reforms, since we need a modern Army, Navy and then Airforce.


1 Swordsmen (Elite, Odawara)
2 Pikemen (Regulars, Odawara)
43 Infantry (36 Musketmen and 3 Riflemen Upgraded to Infantrymen as reform bill passed)
3 Samurai (Veterans)
4 War Veteran Elite Guards (3 Elites, Grand Admiral Ali Elite Division)
26 Cavalry (Veterans and Elites, 5 Veteran Cavalry Upgraded from Samurai after passed MSAV UPGRADE REFORM)
12 Artillery (Cannons Upgraded to Artillery next preturn as Reform Bill passed)
1 Elite Cavalry Army
1 Army (Soon Infantry Army)

8 Galleons
11 Ironclads




We have a total garrison count of 40 Infantry.


We have 67 workers , and MSAV would like to set the maximum to 70 workers for gold upkeep reasons balancing military. This still gives us room for 3 new workers to be built.



Looking at the Present Navy Force Composition

We got 8 Galleons in the Admiralty Fleet (We need 2 more)

The navy will then have a total of 21 Vessels, which gives us a very moderate maneuvering room in our neighboring oceans as well as minimum security.

The land military will cover 110 units. As we presently hold 40 cities, and will expand this to 40 very soon with a new settler we have, we need a minimum garrison of 40 Infantry. This only leaves us a room of 60 military land units, which could be broken down to the following.

70 Units

50 Specialty units divided in five national Military Corps

Japanatican Artillery Corps, 10 Artillery
Japanatican Northern Cavalry Corps, 10 Cavalry
Japanatican Southern Cavalry Corps, 10 Cavalry
Japanatican Expeditionary Corps 10 (Cavalry Army, Elite Cavalry Army (3), 2 Elite Cavalry, Elite Cavalry Helloween Knight, 2 Artillery, 2 Infantry) (2 Infantry Short)
Japanatican Expeditionary Marine Corps, 10 Veteran Infantry (7 Infantry short)

10 Specialty tradition and elite Units in the Southern Command

4 Japanatican Imperial Guard of Elite Samurai, 4 Samurai (GrandAdmiralAli incl)

- GrandAdmiralAli - Kagemusha
- Elite Samurai - Zojoji
- Elite Samurai - Shorin Ryu
- Elite Samurai - Regent Town

3 Japanatican Imperial Guard of Veteran Samurai

- Veteran Samurai - Engha
- Veteran Samurai - Salamanca
- Veteran Samurai - Yatta

3 DEA Divisions, all in Odawara

DEA Elite Sword Division
2 DEA Regular Pikeman Divisions 1 and 2.


10 Specialty units for a National Guard Infantry Corps

Japanatican National Guard Corps, 10 Infantry
will add one more Garrison Rifleman to
Fanatikku, Zojoji, Odawara, Salamanca, Engha, Regent Town, Yatta, Epolenep, Kagemusha and Bentropolis.

Finally we got an Army Unit in Zojoji of Elite Cavalry

As you can see, I can account fairly for both our continental defense needs and for our external interests. The Imperial Expeditionary Forces job is a one mission only to seize a very critical objective or to save a minor nation, and to generate Great Leaders we can bring back for wonders.

The Marine Corps will initially only constitute of Drafted conscript Infantry in order to fill our Galleons (10 Galleons times 4 is 40, one conscript per City to be fair to all our Mayors and Governors in times of War). A Mobilization order will bring our unit count up from 130 to 200, with 40 Conscript Infantry, and 35 more units to be decided on from the army our navy (could be more Artillery, cavalry and veteran Infantry, or ironclads).

I sought to minimize expenses, take into account our need for workers, get a stable planning regime around doctrines for economic and military planning, and to give some room of flexibility in discussing the remaining 30 units in our
potential full war mobilization order.

We are short of 2 Galleons, and 19 Infantry in order to reach this target number, as well as the proposed reform for upgrades. With the Expeditionary Corps and the new navy, we may fight two small regional campaigns at once, if needed.
We are 11 units short of our target number requirement so I hope the governors will help to fill the holes in our ranks after the Zulu Gem War.

The Governor General wishes to apply for a staff possition in the Miliairy Departmen. I wish to be incharge of the quartermaster's corps and an armored division when we get motorized transportation :).

Also, I would like to apply to command the troops within the province of Edo :).

Civgeneral , you petition has been approved.
In the meantime, you are the General of the Expeditionary Cavalry Corps and Quartermasters Corps. I also plan on making Edo a separate military district together with Itakiji, now that we got new provinces. You may as well be the third general.

General Cyc
Zarnia
Kitakinu

General Civanator
Minami
Hairando

General Civgeneral
Edo
Itakiji

Grand Admiral Ali
Japanatican Marine Corps and Overseas Territories

has the imperial commandoes been disbanded?

Grand Admiral Ali

The Imperial Commando will be Marines when we get them. However, Samurai are hopelessly obsolete beyond Honor Guard functions. Alone charging fortfied riflemen on hills was a folly. I wait for the Marines to redefine Imperial Commando.

Thank you Provo,

Also, please let me know what units you request so that I can add them to the queues.

First General:

Request you hold off on Naval Reform until the advent of Combustion, when we get a Modern Era Navy.

However, if by "Reform" you actually meant "Redeployment", then please proceed soon and disregard the previous paragraph.

President SD3

I wait until the destroyer, subs, carrier are there, and I will discuss force composition, and poll the 5 most popular naval structures.

Don Provoleone,

The FAmily is currently trying to make peace with russia. POLL (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=106642)
But if we decide to go to war (this poll will tell us be for the chat) i want to know what if any city investigations we want. thanks.

To General Provolution

I would like to request that a seperate service not be set aside for the Air Force and Request that the jurisdiction of flying units be placed under my jurisdiction under the Special Branch Service (replacing the imperial commandoes) this would increase my ability in intellegence gatrhering with the control of these air forces and coorindinate and cooperate with ground commanders the future battle order and construction f the SBS in regards to both ground and air units will be soon submitted

I hope you take these recommandations General I dont see the need for a seperate service to be created

request that the imperial commandoes (samurai be sent to the capital for a victory parade to celebrate our victories in the North for the inspection of the governemnt

Don Provleone,

Even though we are getting of of TBD and we all pray for peace, the russians might be looking for a war, so you should send some boats to the ocean to watch for incomeing invasion fleet.

what ever

nobody

Hmm.. the holidays are approaching and the work load from school is lighting up. I think I may be able to accomplish a bit for about a week. Any orders that you need taken care of Provo?

Civanator, you are more than welcome back. I kept a seat for you. I also mentioned to the President to name your city.

do i have your approval for the airforce so i may begin planning for my flying units infrastructure and construction??

GrandAdmiral Ali, your are now the Grand-Admiral and Air Marshal Ali of our future Carrier Fleet, Naval Airforce and Marines.

GrandAdmiral Ali, your are now the Grand-Admiral and Air Marshal Ali of our future Carrier Fleet, Naval Airforce and Marines.

What...?? Why is the Air Force, Navy, and Marines combined under one? Navy and Marines I can see, but air force too?

Naval Airforce

i like to rename it the Fleet Air Arm or Naval Aviation Corps

Minister Provo,

What's the war plan? Is the MSAV going to rush blindly into this by sending a few troops sparsely scattered, or will we have plan that includes steady reinforcements and artillery support?

Steady reinforcements and artillery support, notice the plans, we will land on their mountains, and shell their cities from there. Add naval bombardment.

J. F. Provaleone
Office of the Supream Commander
General,

Although i belive we should rip russias heart out. I have started a disscussion about should we invade or just protect our mainland and wait for peace. I do belive the people will be in favor of a invasion, but i think you should still make some plans for our defense if the peaceloving people get there way, just a little map showing where you will put your ironclads, and a snazy title (might i sujest Operation:Murky Waters). We cant be seen to be biased.
Thanks


Nobody
FA Minister
Check out chic
Underworld king
Miss Universe 2007
Jessica Simpsons Pimp
Writer for X-Men
Count Down night fill guy.

Minister General Provolution,

I request the matter of how to handle war with Russia be polled.

I will do that. :D Contrary to some other decisions we have seen.

I will do that. :D Contrary to some other decisions we have seen.
Well since you made some posts in the FA:war with russia thread that say differently let me make this clear: If you don't I'll see you in court, consider this a threat
-mhcarver

I prefer the word warning. What I really meant, was that the FA polls would decide the nature of war. MPPs and so on would impact that.

Chief Justice

I also found that threat biassed, no threat has been forwarded towards Domestic for ignoring to poll the city settlement and no remedies were taken in the naming of the cities, even though the party admitted guilt and so on and so on. If you threaten me over something I am arguing in a political debate, I cannot have a freedom of speech.
I expect the Judiciary to withdraw the threat and apologize for using threats against a fellow colleague in the spirit of cooperation. I would also like to see parallel legal measures to be meted out to other officials who actually neglect their most fundamental duties. Notice how only FA and MSAV actually poll that settler, where CIA will simply remove him without a poll. I have seen enough negative bias from officials, and hope this will end so we can get treatment on equal basis.

Edit: comment withdrawn, had an old cache copy of the polls page.



Minister Provolution,

First, I would say the following to any official, there is nothing personal about my comments here. :) Even though I have not been very active, I have been following along, and I find your comments about future conduct of the war with Russia very disconcerting.

I request that the matter of how to proceed with Russia be discussed and polled. I will file a CC if the WOTP on this matter is not determined the traditional way. This is not a war for you to pursue personally, but only as a representative of the people, seeking the advice and consent of the people on strategic goals at a minimum. Note that saying the people "rejected setting a doctrine" in the past is not a defense against not asking them what they want to do now. There is a big difference between stale data from the past and active participation now, by people who are now aware of the true situation.

Why are you so sour Dave, I posted a poll, neither CIA polled the settler, even forgot it, where I did not forget units. This has been discussed, and now I poll what came out of the discussion. Read the discussion, and you will see I added all options.
CC me? Of course this is personal and political, you do not like my style, which is fair enough, but anyways, I am quitting this demogame after this term, so no worries, you can now step up to former glory again. You should really look into the roles of FA and DA here Dave, and think things through.

1. There is no need for CCs at this point that I can see, although people can certainly file them. Their are dozens of polls and discussions going on about everything. If an intricate issue was missed, then I'm sure it has been over-shadowed by another, or just wasn't that important.

DS, the people have been foaming at the mouth to level some form of justice on the Russians for taking the resources we stole from them. There is no mystery there. Minister Provolution has been upfront about the intentions of the MSAV from the very begining, the people knew this and still proceeded towards war. A blind man could see it.

Provo, the CIA is not an official Department. YOU created it. If the head of a Department YOU created neglects his duty, IT'S YOUR FAULT. You can't bring charges against your own monster.

Cyc,

I believe the threats were from comments such as:Subservient to the people yes, but not the ones that scream on behalf of the people.
The people did not want any doctrines for the other continent, and I will let the people decide when the war is over. I will not even poll war objectives for next turnchat, due to the rejection of doctrine and cooperation with the military planning. In fact, military planning has been sabotaged from the outset by a select few, which has lead to this crisis. You wanted no doctrines discussed and polled Donsig, fine here it is.I am sticking it to Russia, the Peaceniks Days are now over, we are beyond the war-polling part, and they rejected any doctrines for Atarashika.

So Mhcarver, i will stick it to Russia...Well, I am still going to attack them. I am authorized to do so by the law.
War is declared, our department is running it.
There are more.

The desired result was achieved though, as discussions and polls on the scope of the conflict are now up. I too see no reason for any actions over this as the People are involved in the discussions.

-- Ravensfire

@Cyc: I think he's referring to the rather confusingly acronymed Committee for Internal Affairs, aka the Domestic dept.

@Cyc: I think he's referring to the rather confusingly acronymed Committee for Internal Affairs, aka the Domestic dept.
Yer right, Ek. I was confused by an earlier private discussion with sub-departments. CIA is domestic. I'm just pissed at the silly way this game has gone.


And Ravensfire, thank you for the quotes, but my feelings are based on provo's statements before those. He has tried to lead, although some feel it was misguided, his department the best he could and the people have been lathargic at best. Same old story. I understand where you're coming from, but I understand where Provo is coming from also.

Riiiight, I didn't poll anything that was presented. . Well let's see, I used a little common sense here, polling locations for the sake of polling them and stupidity doesn't really go over well. The only places left to settle is the arctic, and I'm sure no one wants to live there. I'll take responsibility for not getting us another corruption ridden crappily placed city. Blackheart

Ravensfire, this was part of the opinions that lead me to rightfully see the criticism as biassed. This comment was on the use of the Tundra settler.
Colonization 1425 Thread. I was threatened for an action you feared I would not conduct, now, this is an action already conducted and confirmed in violation with the same principles for my war objective polling. Do I get a different treatment, yes. Is it a product of your society's "affirmative action" ? yes.
Is is a political campaign to minimize the work I do. Yes.

You and others are by disriminating in such a fashion conducive to reward insults, persecution and other areas compared to the work into this so-called on-line community. I know ministers are slaves to the people, at least in the
ideals of some here. But in George Orwells Animal Farm, everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others, and you do that to the treatment ministers receive. I know I am a roughneck, but when it comes to legalities, not political debate, I ask for parallel, equal, symmetic and identical rights.

You are free to deny me those. But then you have flagged your true colors, and this ethical veil hiding the principal righteousness behind abstain, private polling and diverse non-controversial acts on spaceship mandate and so on, you as everyone else has favorites and chosen adversaries.

This brings us back to legalities. Equality to the law is a very key principle.
I can live with losing the city naming issue, which was a sideshow, but continuously being put under siege prior to my involvement, seeing preemptive CC threats to get peoples way, and see that no CCs are threatened with or filed for parallel acts, make me wonder about our legal system. When you CC, you do it based on solid evidence, you are not using it a rhetorical tool to win a poor argument.

I also see a lot of hypocrisy here.

But to those wanted to wear me out, you have succeeded, congratulations.

Ok, first off, the CIA did poll the Stuttgart settler. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=106328

Not my responsibility you didn't vote in it.

Where's the legality issues now? It was requested, it was discussed, it was polled.

Well, then you should have posted that in the instructions. But that is fair enough, it was polled. End of story.

Well, then you should have posted that in the instructions. But that is fair enough, it was polled. End of story.

I had forgotten to post it in the TCIT :(

Not a biggie, Blackheart, at least you do some work as opposed to some loud voices in here. However, I would be able to work more constructively if you stepped less on my heals, and then I would step less on your heels. WE could both get more breathing space, but obviously you like to argue and bicker on every statement I make to keep me shelled down, as you are a kind of verbal gatling gun or something. I prefer to work organizationally through systems, not shooting down ideas.

So, mistakes happen, but make it easier for all and focus on your tasks and organization, and try to weigh the pros and cons in my proposals.

Last word Blackheart, you are by definition my own focussed problem in this demogame, the very root cause at this moment.

Mhcarver, I know this is irritating, but it is a smear campaign going on against me. He is at this moment flaming in my ministry, so I need to make him understand that he must take it easy and back off. you can see he wants people to see what he think of me, otherwise he could just PM me. I settled my scores with MOTH, Cyc, DZ and several others on issues, since we were mature and understood each other. I really hope you see that situation.

Fear me propegandarism :)

Blackheart and Provolution, take a 3 day timeout and settle the score elsewhere. Don't threadjack your own threads with a flamewar.

does this mean we have no military or trade ministrys before the next turnchat?

Nobody, as of know we have no domestic minister(not trade), the court has previously ruled here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2321882&postcount=31) that the president may manage in place of the head of an office if instructions are not posted. However in a brief skim of this and the DEA thread I have found no evidence that the stoner resigned as deputy meaning that Epithemus may be in charge now, GULP

Provolution had asked me via PM to post instructions for the MSAV since he would be unavailable until the 18th. (this was before CT gave him another 'vacation'). He has giving me orders to post the instructions for a TC if there is one on the 18th.

The good news is that I have determined with my family times and decided that the next TC will be on WEdnesday diuring my sister's Chior Pratice. (If I do go to work that day, I'll ask to come in during the earlier part of the day. Meaning need to get shopping done by Monday.)

"ummm... boss can i go home early"
"whys that sonny?"
"ummm.. cause i am kind of the president of a online nation and we are at war."
"what is that some sort of fetish thing?".............

I got an email saying I have a job or something. I was going to turn this down, but being sick has deleted up my whole weekend and I don't have anything better to do. So I'm back. As long as there isn't really much work to do. And only until this stomach flu clears up and I feel good enough to get wasted again. Which will hopefully be tomorrow.

Can you stop swearing in every post?

Minister General Provo of the MSAV,

I've noticed that we have 2 Pikemen, 2 musketmen, and 1 cannon. Is the MSAV planning to upgrade these? If they are to be upgrade, be assured that the CIA will fully fund the requests.

(I know that the cannon and a musket is on the galleon headed home)

the pikemen are regular and the honorary guard of Odawara
Musketman is elite, and elites will not be disbanded
Cannons would be nice to upgrade

However a mass upgrade of galleons to transports may be imminent.

Please let me know what Units you need for the war :).

Thanks,
Governor General CivGeneral.

the pikemen are regular and the honorary guard of Odawara
Musketman is elite, and elites will not be disbanded
Cannons would be nice to upgrade

However a mass upgrade of galleons to transports may be imminent.

I'm not taking about disbanding, I'm talking about upgrading. These units have reached the epoch of any usefulness and need to be upgraded for full efficiency.

I'm not taking about disbanding, I'm talking about upgrading. These units have reached the epoch of any usefulness and need to be upgraded for full efficiency.
I would disagree with you on this one. The older obsolite units that are in our core cities funtions more of a military police to keep the population in check. The edge cities that are by other civ's borders are the ones that needs a high priority of upgrading.

I would disagree with you on this one. The older obsolite units that are in our core cities funtions more of a military police to keep the population in check. The edge cities that are by other civ's borders are the ones that needs a high priority of upgrading.

Everything else is already upgrade.

Minister General,

Please considering garrisoning more troops in Tonawonda to decrease chances of a cultural flip.

Tonawonda has 3 units for a size 2 city, and this city should also get more culture.
3 Units is more than enough here.

General Provolution,

My apolgies for my absence from the MSAV office I have prepared a written plan on the future construction of the Naval Aviation Doctrine and will soon present it on the Citzen forum,

Cheers mate

Grand Admiral
Ali

Ali, MSAV is dead pretty soon, for several reasons, so we will se what endgame organization they will put up. However, I would not burn to many calories on this if I were you, you see what happened Term IV and V, and it is indeed an unthankful job, especially in Term V. Term IV worked excellent in comparison, there are other games around, and this game is soon over, and there is a tight knit cast here that have a clear vision on how to conclude it. For military matters, it is more a press enter culture.

Ali, MSAV is dead pretty soon, for several reasons, so we will se what endgame organization they will put up. However, I would not burn to many calories on this if I were you, you see what happened Term IV and V, and it is indeed an unthankful job, especially in Term V. Term IV worked excellent in comparison, there are other games around, and this game is soon over, and there is a tight knit cast here that have a clear vision on how to conclude it. For military matters, it is more a press enter culture.

The xenophobia and war-monger will be greatly missed :(