The Financial Charges Consortium (FCC) office is made for any request that relates to the national treasury.

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Yes, the FCC office is located within the CIA HQ/ Zarnia Capitol ;)


When requesting rushes, please list:
1) what is being rushed
2) what city it is in
3) how many turns is being saved by rushing
4) the cost of rushing
5) reason for rushing

When requesting international aid allocation, please list:
1) Country receiving
2) how much
3) why are we giving it to them

When request unit upgrades, please list:
1) which type of unit
2) how many of that type
3) why it needs upgrading
4) (possibly) where is it stationed, danger zone or not?

Only discuss monetary matters here! Everything Domestic belongs in the CIA Thread! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=105930)

900 gold is currently reserved for the Foreign Aid Fund.

Discussions about foreign aid being held here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=106330).

I would like to request a rush for the Temple being built in Coal City (also known as TBD(Kyoto)). It sits in the middle of Atarashika utterly surrounded by Chinese and Russian culture and needs to be reinforced. We would save 23 Turns at a cost of 92 gold.

I would like to request a rush for the Temple being built in Coal City (also known as TBD(Kyoto)). It sits in the middle of Atarashika utterly surrounded by Chinese and Russian culture and needs to be reinforced. We would save 23 Turns at a cost of 92 gold.

Approved <insert stamp of approval here>

I request the following rush: Oil Springs: Library (on turn 2 - Around 250g).

I request the following rush: Oil Springs: Library (on turn 2 - Around 250g).

Denied, this would cost more than 250g. Library would take 40 turns, and would cost more than 250g (I think).

Honorable Minister Blackheart.

I thank you for a good cooperation in discussing and polling upgrades, and are about to wrap up the final upgrades for the entire term. There will be no naval upgrades, no air upgrades or armor upgrades.

When request unit upgrades, please list:
1) which type of unit
2) how many of that type
3) why it needs upgrading
4) (possibly) where is it stationed, danger zone or not?

MSAV REQUEST FOR UPGRADES

CIA UPGRADE POLL HAS SHOWN 3200 GOLD AS THE BUDGETARY FRAMEWORK
VARIOUS MSAV POLLS HAS PINPOINTED NEEDS TO BE TIED AT 3100 (INFANTRY AND ARTILLERY UPGRADE) AND 3260 (TOTAL UPGRADE). STRICTLY FOLLOWING THE WOTP, AND FOLLOWING BOTH POLLS TO THE LETTER MSAV REQUEST THE FOLLOWING UPGRADES:

36 MUSKETMEN TO INFANTRY (36X60) 2160
3 VETERAN RIFLEMEN TO INFANTRY (3X20) 60G
11 CANNONS TO ARTILLERY (11X80) 880 G
5 VETERAN SAMURAIS TO CAVALRY (5X20) 100 G

TOTAL SUM :3200 GOLD

3. IT IS NEEDED BASED ON CONSTITUTIONAL PROCEDURES FOR POLLING MINISTERIAL ACTIONS AND DUE TO JAPANATICAN SECURITY NEEDS.

4. ALL UNITS ARE STATIONED WITHIN JAPANATICA, AND WE ARE NOT AT WAR.

Yours sincerely
MSAV
Chief of Staff

Hi,

I would like to request 286gold, for investigations. The citys to be investigated are Sverdlousk for 78gold, Lahore for 118 gold and Punjab for 90 gold. This will only need to be done if we go to war, (decide to hold the city, because after the declaration the ambassordor will be home)

Honorable Minister,
Itakaji's governor has not yet shown up, so as a citizen I would like to request that you investigate and poll for infrastructure rush requests for this province. I have requested that the President appoint me as deputy so that build queues can be ordered. I have also started a citizen's discussion thread on these builds and rushes.

Rush requests (every other turn when we have some shields in the bank). Short rushes may work in some of these rushes on turn 1 and later. DP has discretion to delay some rushes where a short rush will complete the build within 2 turns:

Turn 0: Aquaduct in Ominato (144G, save 4 turns with growth immediately); Factory in Wakashio (660G, saves 10 turns)
Turn 1: Factory in Baldur's Gate (saves 12 turns; short rush via Uni?); Factory in Roma (saves 7 turns; short rush via Uni?); Factory in Yatta (saves 10 turns)
Turn 2: Factory in Port Solema (saves 22 turns); Harbor in Ominato; Library in Wakashio
Turn 3: University in Baldur's Gate; University in Roma; Library in Yatta
Turn 4: Market in Port Solema; Market in Ominato; University in Wakashio
Turn 5: University in Yatta
Turn 6: Library in Port Solema; Library in Ominato

Costs: Factories will cost about 900 Gold each (4400G total), but will pay themselves off due to faster production on other improvements. The factories (and the one Aquaduct) are the minimum as a citizen I would accept.

I'm not able to provide estimates on the costs of things after the factories are built as that math is too hard for me right now.

OOC: in my personal games I would spend nearly all my cash rushing these improvements every other turn.

Hi,

I would like to request 286gold, for investigations. The citys to be investigated are Sverdlousk for 78gold, Lahore for 118 gold and Punjab for 90 gold. This will only need to be done if we go to war, (decide to hold the city, because after the declaration the ambassordor will be home)


Request approved <insert official stamp here>

Honorable Minister,
Itakaji's governor has not yet shown up, so as a citizen I would like to request that you investigate and poll for infrastructure rush requests for this province. I have requested that the President appoint me as deputy so that build queues can be ordered. I have also started a citizen's discussion thread on these builds and rushes.

Rush requests (every other turn when we have some shields in the bank). Short rushes may work in some of these rushes on turn 1 and later. DP has discretion to delay some rushes where a short rush will complete the build within 2 turns:

Turn 0: Aquaduct in Ominato (144G, save 4 turns with growth immediately); Factory in Wakashio (660G, saves 10 turns)
Turn 1: Factory in Baldur's Gate (saves 12 turns; short rush via Uni?); Factory in Roma (saves 7 turns; short rush via Uni?); Factory in Yatta (saves 10 turns)
Turn 2: Factory in Port Solema (saves 22 turns); Harbor in Ominato; Library in Wakashio
Turn 3: University in Baldur's Gate; University in Roma; Library in Yatta
Turn 4: Market in Port Solema; Market in Ominato; University in Wakashio
Turn 5: University in Yatta
Turn 6: Library in Port Solema; Library in Ominato

Costs: Factories will cost about 900 Gold each (4400G total), but will pay themselves off due to faster production on other improvements. The factories (and the one Aquaduct) are the minimum as a citizen I would accept.

I'm not able to provide estimates on the costs of things after the factories are built as that math is too hard for me right now.

OOC: in my personal games I would spend nearly all my cash rushing these improvements every other turn.


Aqueduct for 144g in Ominato approved. Could you list prices and turns for markets, universities, and libraries? As for factories, 4400 g is a little steep so all of them will not be rushed, only the ones that are likely to become high producing cities, so could you list which will too (become high production cities)?

Governor Blackheart

Are you going to accept or reject the MSAV request, based on the joint polls?

Minister Blackheart,
Does your approved stamp (or disapproval) mean that you will poll on a subject? I disagree with at least one of your approvals and one of your disapprovals and would like to see them polled.

Aqueduct for 144g in Ominato approved. Could you list prices and turns for markets, universities, and libraries? As for factories, 4400 g is a little steep so all of them will not be rushed, only the ones that are likely to become high producing cities, so could you list which will too (become high production cities)?

As for the factories, each of the cities listed are already highly productive cities with current raw SPT of 15-20+. Port Solema is the only exception here in that it needs to grow 3-4 more population before it could work all of its hills and mines.

As for the prices and turns - these are estimates based on population growth and increased production due to factories:
2 Markets - 100sheilds base:320 and 376g, 5 and 12 turn savings
4 Libraries - 80 sh base: 200-288g, 4-10 turns savings
1 Harbor - 80 sh base: 288g, 10 turns savings
4 Universities - 200 sh base: 600-700 each, 6-8 turns savings

Of these requests the factories are most important as they produce immediate savings on future rushes. Second most important are the rushes for Ominato as it will have plenty of commerce, but not much production, so the gold outlay will be repayed with increaded science research.

Governor Blackheart

Are you going to accept or reject the MSAV request, based on the joint polls?

It has already been decided since the last TC, 3200 g will be allocated for military upgrades, and since no one had posted about repolling or changing the ammount, it stays.

Minister Blackheart,
Does your approved stamp (or disapproval) mean that you will poll on a subject? I disagree with at least one of your approvals and one of your disapprovals and would like to see them polled.

Stamp of approval means no poll needed since the ammount is not large enough to poll. Which approvals/disapprovals do you want to be polled?

As for the factories, each of the cities listed are already highly productive cities with current raw SPT of 15-20+. Port Solema is the only exception here in that it needs to grow 3-4 more population before it could work all of its hills and mines.

As for the prices and turns - these are estimates based on population growth and increased production due to factories:
2 Markets - 100sheilds base:320 and 376g, 5 and 12 turn savings
4 Libraries - 80 sh base: 200-288g, 4-10 turns savings
1 Harbor - 80 sh base: 288g, 10 turns savings
4 Universities - 200 sh base: 600-700 each, 6-8 turns savings

Of these requests the factories are most important as they produce immediate savings on future rushes. Second most important are the rushes for Ominato as it will have plenty of commerce, but not much production, so the gold outlay will be repayed with increaded science research.

My my, this is indeed a lot of requests! :lol: . Here's what I'll do, Acting Governor (?) MOTH, you will have 2000 g on rushes to spend for the next TC, so please submit which things you want rushed, or, if you prefer, we will poll these options and see what people want.

Stamp of approval means no poll needed since the ammount is not large enough to poll. Which approvals/disapprovals do you want to be polled?

On that you denied was for a prior turn-chat, so I won't bring that up. The one that you approved is for the investigation of cities. Its not that I specifically disagree, but instead feel that there should at least be some discussion on the matter as I don't know what benefit we will get by these investigations.

My my, this is indeed a lot of requests! :lol: . Here's what I'll do, Acting Governor (?) MOTH, you will have 2000 g on rushes to spend for the next TC, so please submit which things you want rushed, or, if you prefer, we will poll these options and see what people want.

I'm just a concerned citizen at this point trying to fill a gap ;) According to the constitution I have no direct authority in this or any matter.

Ask for the sky and negotiate from there is my motto. What good is all the money if we don't spend it. The minimum I think we should spend is for the Aquaduct and 4 Factory rushes (Yatta, Roma, Wakahio, and Baldur's Gate). This is about 3700G so I guess we should poll this.

If you prefer we could do a big multi-option poll for which rushes people approve of. I could set this up with your blessing (and authority) if you would like (I would post the suggested poll here first).

I'm just a concerned citizen at this point trying to fill a gap ;) According to the constitution I have no direct authority in this or any matter.

Ask for the sky and negotiate from there is my motto. What good is all the money if we don't spend it. The minimum I think we should spend is for the Aquaduct and 4 Factory rushes (Yatta, Roma, Wakahio, and Baldur's Gate). This is about 3700G so I guess we should poll this.

If you prefer we could do a big multi-option poll for which rushes people approve of. I could set this up with your blessing (and authority) if you would like (I would post the suggested poll here first).

Ok, you can set up the suggested poll with the authority of the FCC and CIA. I would be happy to approve most of the other rushes, but with war on the horizon and a lot of our income going out the door, I am hesitant to rush factories.

I am certain we need our factories more than any, and with the 3200 upgrade, The MSAV is in good shape. I fully back MOTH here, Itakaji should have been rebuilt ages ago.
Itakaji is the Eastern Germany or American Deep South of Japanatica. I would go for the 3700 upgrade for max impact, then also consider the French border and the Iroqi border.
Please add in Tonawonda to this equation.

Proposed Poll posted for blackheart's approval and/or comments:

What rushes do you support in Itakaji Province?
Part 1: Which rushes do you support? (vote for as many as you want)
b. Aquaduct in Ominato (144G turn 0)
c. Factory in Yatta (900G+/- turn 1)
d. Factory in Roma (840g+/- turn 1)
e. Factory in Wakashio (660G turn 0)
f. Factory in Baldur's Gate (900G+/- turn 1)
g. Factory in Port Solema (920G+/- turn 2)
h. Other Improvements in Ominato (Market turn 2, Harbor turn 4) - about 288G each.
Part 2: How much gold should be allocated for rushes? (vote for 1 amount)
j. 5000 +/- (all above rushes)
k. 4400 +/- (aquaduct and all factories)
l. 3500 +/- (aquaduct and all factories except Port Solema)
m. 2000 +/- (dps discretion on which approved rushes to be done)
o. 144G (aquaduct)
Part 3: Other - please post comment in thread
Part 4: Abstain - in whole or in part

Thread Commentary:
This is being posted by MOTH with the approval and authority of the Domestic Ministry.

DP will have discretion to "short rush" any of these improvements where the build will be completed within 3 turns. I think this only works in Roma and Baldur's Gate as they have the University available towards the short rush (and maybe Yatta if there is something else available that will get close (Colosseum?))

Interpretation of the Poll:
Part 1: any option receiving at least 50% of the vote will be approved (but not necessarily funded).
Part 2: Any vote for a high amount will be considered approval of each lower amount. The highest amount that has 50% approval will be accepted for funding. Ex: 10% vote for 5000G, 40% vote for 4400G, and 45% vote for 2000G: 4400G would be approved.
Part 3&4: Comments posted will be considered when determining overall results.

blackheart (Domestic Minister) has suggested an amount of 2000G should be approved.

Provolution (as Military Advisor or a citizen?) has suggested 3700G should be approved.

MOTH (concerned citizen) asked for the moon (even more than listed above) but has retracted this to 4400G for all factories and the aquaduct.

I will propose that as MSAV, since we need to balance out Northern Kitakinu, Culture in Minami, Tonawonda and save some gold for diplomacy and espionage. We also need a strategic financial reserve. From my estimates, 3700 will make a higher input and output ratio.

Looks good to me, poll away.

This poll has been posted here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=106863) with the slight change to reflect Provolution's preference for 3700G.

Final Interpretation of this poll (taking into acount Cyc's post):

55% approval for: Aquaduct in Ominato and Factories in Roma, Wakashio, and Baldur's Gate.

63% approval for 3700G budget allocation.

I will review the current build situtation in Itakaji and make revised requests in this trhead.

I have reviewed the current situtation in Itakaji Province and would like to seek re-approval of the following 2 rushes. As these were both approved via the poll above I think I just need the stamp of approval.

Baldur's Gate: Short rush the Factory via the University at a cost of 496G and a savings of 7 turns.

Wakashio: Short Rush the Factory via the University at a cost of 608G and a savings of 8 turns.

I have reviewed the current situtation in Itakaji Province and would like to seek re-approval of the following 2 rushes. As these were both approved via the poll above I think I just need the stamp of approval.

Baldur's Gate: Short rush the Factory via the University at a cost of 496G and a savings of 7 turns.

Wakashio: Short Rush the Factory via the University at a cost of 608G and a savings of 8 turns.

Approved <insert imaginary stamp>

I would like to rush the temple currently being built by Arrakis. It would cost 108gold and save us 27 Turns of production. It is imparative that we secure this border to prevent a possible flip.

I would like to rush the temple currently being built by Arrakis. It would cost 108gold and save us 27 Turns of production. It is imparative that we secure this border to prevent a possible flip.

Approved <stamp stamp>

I am requesting 2 rushes.

Salamanca - Factory on turn 2. Should be less than 500g.
Vandopolis - Factory on turn 6. (should be 10 turns left to build).

I am requesting 2 rushes.

Salamanca - Factory on turn 2. Should be less than 500g.
Vandopolis - Factory on turn 6. (should be 10 turns left to build).

Approved <stamp stamp>

MSaV Respectfully request the following upgrades

Cannon, en route home to artillery
Musket already home (the one from Huntington) to infantry
8 Galleons to be upgraded to transports

This will be all upgrades from MSAV

MSaV Respectfully request the following upgrades

Cannon, en route home to artillery
Musket already home (the one from Huntington) to infantry
8 Galleons to be upgraded to transports

This will be all upgrades from MSAV

Can the MSAV Give estimates on what the costs will be?

Less than 600.

Less than 600.

<stamp of approval>

I request an upgrade on behalf of Hairando province; the Cathedral in Tonawanda (down south in Babylonian lands). It would cost 228 gold on Turn 0, and would allow the cultural borders to expand in 108 turns, rather than 171 (saving 63 turns!).

I request an upgrade on behalf of Hairando province; the Cathedral in Tonawanda (down south in Babylonian lands). It would cost 228 gold on Turn 0, and would allow the cultural borders to expand in 108 turns, rather than 171 (saving 63 turns!).

Denied. Even if Tonawonda's culture to gain another level, Babylon's cities' cultures would still grossly outmatch it.

Denied. Even if Tonawonda's culture to gain another level, Babylon's cities' cultures would still grossly outmatch it.

I would like to see this polled, although it would probably have to be for the next TC....

Tonawonda rush: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=107935

Reapplying for a rush of the Cathedral in Tonawanda - now only costing 212 gold.

Reapplying for a rush of the Cathedral in Tonawanda - now only costing 212 gold.

Approved, altho I doubt there's gonna be another TC before the end of the term.

There's one on the 29th of December.

Look in the Main forum - I just posted build queues in it. ;)

There's one on the 29th of December.

Look in the Main forum - I just posted build queues in it. ;)

Ooops. Orders posted.