C3C Game
Monarch Difficulty
Standard Map
Rest of the settings random
Accelerated Production
Cultural Conversions
Scientific Leaders
All Victories, Respawn AI

Players:
BlackHeart - Rome GMT -6 minhthemaster@hotmail.com
Noldodan - Arabs GMT -5 wizatmath@aol.com
Donovan Zoi - Scandinavians GMT -6 donovan_zoi@civfanatics.net
Black_Hole - Maya GMT -6 froggy999999@hotmail.com
Daveshack - Persia GMT -7 dshack85705@netscape.net
Classical Hero - Ottomans GMT +8 mozart@istnet.net.au
Provolution - Indians GMT +1 protocogni@yahoo.no
Gert Janl - random GMT +1 gertjanlindeboom@tiscali.nl

I would like to play :)
Ill be maya, but if you think that is a cheap civ to be, ill deal with sumeria as second choice

I wish I could play, but College and a new Relationship would force me in the forums less ;).

I am India here. GMT plus 1.

please also list your timezone (GMT +/-)

GMT +1 for me.

We still need a sixth player, and please randomize the two AIs.

We could start with 5 if DZ pips up...

Still need a player?

I am gmt-6 right now, in the spring(dailight savings time) i will be gmt-5

Yes DS, we do, which civ would you like and whats your timezone?

I am at GMT -6.

I will play as the Scandinavians.

Also, I would rather not play with AI as neighboring human players would be able to manipulate them.

Erm, I forgot to ask this but I need your emails for the PBEM.

froggy999999@hotmail.com
also I agree with dz, lets keep it to human players

P.S. what difficulty does everyone play on?
Just wanna know who i should run away from, as I play on monarch ;)

I play up to Deity. protocogni@yahoo.no

Please also rank the players in sequence of timezone, so the game may progress easily. For me it is the same if you start in US or Europe, to be honest.

Civ: Persia
Usual Level: monarch
email: dshack85705 at netscape.net
Timezone: GMT -7 (Arizona)

Now for a couple of questions, what out of game rules, patch level, etc are we using? What does "standard map" mean -- epic random game? Does all victories include wonder, victory point, and regicide, or just all the standard SP victories?

Game rules, all standard SP victories, not regicide, acc production, probably this will be a monarch level game, as we need to find the common denominator.
Patch 1.22 f . Normal sized map, six human players. I suggest sequence by timezone.
3 Europeans and 3 Americans. We can call this the "Battle of the Atlantic PBEM".

Can another player join?

Sure, the max is 8, as long as the others approve.

Another player does not bother me. After some thought on it I'm leaning towards no AI's.

Then we should fill up all 8 slots.

Classical Hero, find a Civ and name timezone, plus we need a last player to balance out the map. I am for all random map, and maxed out barbs.

I would play, but I don't have conquests. Looks like fun.

Provo suggested ranked by timezone, but I would suggest that you alternate between European and US time zones as that will give you a better chance to get in 2 player turns each day.

I'll be watching the progress. I hope that you each post propaganda in this thread as the game progresses.

I think timezones make sense to plan after, but we need to see the nationalities of people
involved to optimize the optimal logisitical management chain. And yes, I will not make a timezone doctrine on this :D

My nation will be called "Provolutia"
And my title - Provolt Imperator Dei

Should the game thread be in the normal PBEM forum?

It can be here, since we are a closed party.

And this form isn't really used... even though Zarn spoke so high and cool words...


*sigh*

Looks like a good game, guys! Get 'er started ASAP.

we will be starting soon once i get Classical Hero's (if he's in) information.

And yes, epic game random map,
all victories, no regicide, ctf, princess, vp etc.
Patch 1.22 (latest for C3C)
Monarch

I will probably have order as Americans going first (since I will be making and it'll be more convenient) then europeans.

BTW, if you want to customize your civ name, please list all the fields for your civname (adj, nouns, etc)

blackheart, make sure to test everyones email also,

Name: Black_Hole
Formal: Supreme Mayan Empire
Noun: Mayan
Adjective: Mayan
Title: Judge

Name: Provolution
Formal: Provolutia
Noun: Provolutians
Adjective: Provolutian
Title: Provolt Imperator Dei

Actually, come to think of it, I would like to get in on this. I hope I'm not too late, but here's my information.

E-mail: wizatmath@aol.com (I know, AOL...)
Timezone: GMT -5
Availability: I can get on everyday if I need to, except some weekends.
Civ skill: Monarch to Emperor

Civ Choices
Civ: Arabs
Name: Noldodan
Formal: the New Noldorin Lands
Noun: Noldor
Adjective: Noldorin
Title: High King

You came just in time Noldodan, Slot Nr 8 :)

Good to have you back.

My email is donovan_zoiATcivfanaticsDOTnet. Here's the rest of the info:

Name: Donovan Zoi
Formal: Copeland
Noun: Zoids
Adjective: Zoid
Title: Archdrude

Well...here is my info then...

Name: gert-janl
Title: Grandmaster
Formal/Noun/Adjective: I don't really care...we'll see what nation I will get.
BTW: wouldn't you consider sorting the player the way as MOTH suggested? I think that could possibly speed up the game.

Strict timezones are unlikely to work out perfectly because playing time also matters. If there are many people with highly variable play times then the idea of alternating hemispheres is an extremely good one.

My best playing time windows are 1300-1330GMT and 0500-0700GMT, with the 2nd one (my night, Europe's morning) being more likely.

Hadn't thought about the "name game" -- I'm one of the less inspired people who just take the defaults all the time. Just put David for the name and King for title I guess. :crazyeye: Oh, remembered something else -- if you change your tribe's name, does the game show who you're playing as?

Here's my info

Civ: Ottomans
Usual Level: Regent, but getting higher quickly
Timezone: GMT +8
Email: mozart@istnet.net.au
Title: War Hero
Adjective/noun: don't care, just the usual names for the Ottomans.

Games has been made and sent along with playlist. Please follow savegame format of DG5PBEMturn<#><name>

Hotmail is not working ATM, so I will post the save here. The game order has been made in the first post, so this is for Noldodan only! Please don't try to cheat and look at it.

do u want us to post after the save is sent?
also should we open threads in this forum(1 for each member) and everyone promises not to look in someone elses?

Normally the save is sent by email, and yes please post a summary (if you want) of your turn and then send your save to the next person on the list.

It would be interesting for those of use following the game if each player posts some turn summaries (propaganda)

Ok... so who the heck has the played so far?...

I moved some people! DZ, you're up next.

I moved some people! DZ, you're up next.

Could you email the .sav file to DZ too, and could everyone email the .sav files in the future? I posted it in a thread because my email wasn't working when I made the game.

make a yahoo mail, got 100 MB space.

What is the play order?

What is the play order?

Listed in the first post and email I sent to everyone. Next person is whoever is bottom of you on the list.

I got hotmail, works fine now.

OK, save played and sent to the Mayans. :D

Didn't realize we were playing accelerated; should be interesting.............

OK, save played and sent to the Mayans. :D

Didn't realize we were playing accelerated; should be interesting.............
yeh accelerated production hurts my industrial bonus a bit....
I will play the game tomorrow after I get home from school.
Sorry for the delay everyone, I am busy with a school project due tomorrow and I am past my bed time....

edit: as of 9:17 pm, gmt - 6 time, I havent got it yet...

damn it when did you people start. Nobody tells me nuthin. well you guys are lucky i would of wooped you anyway.

damn it when did you people start. Nobody tells me nuthin. well you guys are lucky i would of wooped you anyway.

We started 2 days ago and have yet to get through the first turn :(

i still havent got the save dz....
froggy999999@hotmail.com

I just forwarded it again. If you didn't receive it, then you may want to re-count your 9's ;)

I just forwarded it again. If you didn't receive it, then you may want to re-count your 9's ;)
I got it...

edit: Sent to Daveshack

Got it, played it, sent it.

A most unusual starting position indeed. Not saying unusual in what way, just yet... :mischief:

I have NOT received it Daveshack, and I am next in line. so try to check your outbox.

I have NOT received it Daveshack, and I am next in line. so try to check your outbox.

umm, you're not next, Classical Hero is. :)

man, first round and practically everyone is having e-mail prolbems! :lol:

ok sorry Davey, I forgot that Mr Downundajollygoodmateyclassicalhero was tehre :D

ok sorry Davey, I forgot that Mr Downundajollygoodmateyclassicalhero was tehre :D
:lol: I am the one that is fatherest away from everyone. I have played the save and will send you the email very soon.

just moved my settler to a better spot and got a map from a goody hut, I wish it was some technology. :mad:

The Provolutions saw the glimmering light on the Eastern Hill, when the divine voice of the great father said... "This is the golden opportunity, Provolutians, well protected on that hill, with piles of gold within the city, in the far south of the world, the future is open for all of us. I also heard word that The City of Zoi and the City of Gondolin are the first cities of the world, and they are now the cradles of civiization. We do not know where they are, but they sure sound tempting to a hungry elefant".

I bring in a quote courtesy former US president Lyndon B Johnson about the Elephant

"*Delete* your Parliament and your Constitution. America is an elephant. Cyprus is a flea. If these two fleas continue itching the elephant, they may just get whacked by the elephant's trunk, whacked good.... We pay a lot of good American dollars to the Greeks, Mr. Ambassador. If your Prime Minister gives me talk about Democracy, Parliament and Constitutions, he, his Parliament and his Constitution may not last very long."

For non US Citizens, Elephant is the symbol of the US Republican Party... think...

For non US Citizens, Elephant is the symbol of the US Republican Party... think...

Political parties are worthless?

No, Lyndon B Johnson was a "Dixie Democrat" and came to the power with the assassination of Kennedy- However, the Democrats are not elephants...so...
curious he chose that metaphor for American excpetionalism and supremacy to the small and dirty greeks.

Nice story Provo :rolleyes:
However, I didn't receive the save; which seems to be completely coherent to all mail problems.

My mail-address is gertjanl@msn.com
Note that the '-' from my CFC nick is not in my @msn.com address.

I don't get why every is having so many mail problems! I emailed eveyrone with a list of game info and ppls emails, it is even on the first page!

Well, it is your sides fault gert, as I sent it twice now with receipts.
But again, I do not know what is wrong on your side.
Check if something enterered junkmail or spam on your filter, or you deleted it by mistake.

I don't get why every is having so many mail problems! I emailed eveyrone with a list of game info and ppls emails, it is even on the first page!
I had no problems, I was just lazy when I asked my question.

Dato: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:20:30 +0100 (CET)
Fra: "Provolution" <protocogni@yahoo.no> Legg til i adressebokLegg til i adressebok
Tema: DG5PBEM 1 turn
Til: gertjanl@msn.com

Here is the exerpt from my receipt.

I must admit :blush: that your first message was moved to my spam-folder. For some strange reason the second message did land in my inbox.

Sorry for the delay! The game will be send to blackheart!

I must admit :blush: that your first message was moved to my spam-folder. For some strange reason the second message did land in my inbox.

Sorry for the delay! The game will be send to blackheart!
i think you can exclude emails from spam on msn, but im not sure(it can do that on hotmail)

I know, I just didn't notice that provo's mail was in my junk-mailfolder.

@Hotmail=@msn
In the future there shouldn't be any problems anymore

gps (game played and sent)

Saigon has been founded! Hail to the glorious Federated Suns! Hail to God Emperor BlackHeart!

The city location is both a blessing and a curse. Plenty of luxuries around (possible monopoly) but the terran is not the best.

Erm, Noldodan did you get the game sav?

Erm, Noldodan did you get the game sav?
Nothing showing up here, even in the spam folder.

sav resent

sav resent
Still nothing. I got the starting e-mail, but nothing since. You sure you have the right address? wizatmath@aol.com

Yes, that's the one I sent it too, my email is minhthemaster@hotmail.com , are your filters blocking hotmail?

Still nothing. I got the starting e-mail, but nothing since. You sure you have the right address? wizatmath@aol.com

Some email systems don't like receiving attachments. I can't remember if AOL is one of those, but just in case it is, I sent you two emails, one with an attachment and one without. You can ignore the attachment, it is just a save from one of my personal games, for testing purposes.

If this turns out to be the problem we can dig into what needs to be done to let you receive attachments.

Update: Got this back from AOL:

Sorry dshack85705@netscape.net. Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail with attachments or embedded images:
wizatmath

Some email systems don't like receiving attachments. I can't remember if AOL is one of those, but just in case it is, I sent you two emails, one with an attachment and one without. You can ignore the attachment, it is just a save from one of my personal games, for testing purposes.

If this turns out to be the problem we can dig into what needs to be done to let you receive attachments.

Update: Got this back from AOL:

Sorry dshack85705@netscape.net. Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail with attachments or embedded images:
wizatmath

Yeah, I got the one with jsut the text, but not the one with the attachments. I'll try to fix this later, but I have to catch the bus in 5 minutes. Sorry for the delay... :(

I got it! Resend the save, blackheart, and once again, sorry for the delay.

Well, all email problems so far has taken place in America and Netherlands, where Australia and Scandinavia goes clean.

Well, all email problems so far has taken place in America and Netherlands, where Australia and Scandinavia goes clean.

It's just dependent on the ISP.

game sav resent.

Got the save, played it, and sent it off to DZ. I love Scouts!

Sent to Black_Hole. Sorry for the delay!

Sent to Black_Hole. Sorry for the delay!
havent got it, this happened last time also...
its also not in my junk mail box, and your email is on my junk mail exclusion list just in case..

Very impressed by America, the pioneers of ARPA Net, the inventors of emails and the smiley, then WWW and now Demogame, and PbEMs. I wonder when you figure out your emails.

Very impressed by America, the pioneers of ARPA Net, the inventors of emails and the smiley, then WWW and now Demogame, and PbEMs. I wonder when you figure out your emails.

They're using FREE email services like me and you, so what do you expect?

my emails work well.

Okay I just got a forward from donovan, even though it was sent 7 hours ago... I think hotmail has too loaded of servers, so it take sawhile for you to actually get the email in your inbox.... I will play it first thing tomorrow after school....

I am going to start sending it twice, B_H............. ;)

I agree with MOTH. Watching this PBEM unfold would certainly be fun if the players postded mini-summaries. Not that the email confusion hasn't been entertaining. :rolleyes:

I agree with MOTH. Watching this PBEM unfold would certainly be fun if the players postded mini-summaries. Not that the email confusion hasn't been entertaining. :rolleyes:
It seems like it will take forever to get to me.

Well, American mickey mouse emails, what can I say.

The email delays are pretty weird, I've never seen that kind of response time under normal circumstances. It makes memories of DARPAnet, SciNet, and UUNet look pretty good -- at least then you knew that hitting "send" meant the recipient would (usually) get the message. ;) Heck, even CompuServe was pretty reliable.

Once we get past all the startup problems of spam filters, attachment blocks, and other technical glitches, it should run smoothly, at least for the email part. Then we'll only have to deal with all our RL schedules :crazyeye:.

I tried to suggest alternating US and Other so that we'd be looking at ~12 hour gaps until the next player's available time instead of 24 hours or more, without success.

Played and sent. It looks like some bands of settlers may be taking extended walks.

GPS. I have settled the mighty city of Istanbul.

3950 BC

Provolutia Auropolis was settled on the hill overlooking the frothing waves of the Prolific, the 10 000 city dwellers of this ideal city state realized they were rich beyond imagination for their time. They could also see bountiful grasslands, other major hills, forests and a distant Northern Mountain. Provolutia Auropolis even introduced some new herb, they began to smoke with rolled leaves. In gilded urban environments, with the fresh sea breeze from the East and with a smoke, can you really complain ?

Provo, this time I really didn't receive the game yet. It's neither in my inbox or in my junk folder. Maybe it's a good idea to send the game to gertjanlindeboom@tiscali.nl

Sent to that one. I think hotmail and MSN in general is crap.

Sent to that one. I think hotmail and MSN in general is crap.

Me too, but GJ isn't using hotmail or MSN.

Not anymore. His previous email was MSN. Now I used tiscali.

Players:
BlackHeart - Rome GMT -6 minhthemaster@hotmail.com
Noldodan - Arabs GMT -5 wizatmath@aol.com
Donovan Zoi - Scandinavians GMT -6 donovan_zoi@civfanatics.net
Black_Hole - Maya GMT -6 froggy999999@hotmail.com
Daveshack - Persia GMT -7 dshack85705@netscape.net
Classical Hero - Ottomans GMT +8 mozart@istnet.net.au
Provolution - Indians GMT +1 protocogni@yahoo.no
Gert Janl - random GMT +1 gertjanl@msn.com

Above is quote from the first page Blackheart, he is indeed using MSN.

Er oops. Was looking at his email from his latest post.

BTW GJ, do you want me to update the first post with that email (gertjanlindeboom@tiscali.nl)?

please, than I am sure to get all mails.

Who has the save ATM?

Who has the save ATM?

GJ does, I don't have it yet.

I sent it long ago, the Dutchman is slow.

Might the players be willing to grace us lurkers with a screenshot?

The dutchman isn't slow, I also sent it on the 11th.
I'll resend it now.

So it's somewhere between Blackheart and me at this point. Any chance it's going to be moving soon?

Well, I play it after Blackheart, and I haven't gotten it yet so...

Maybe you guys should just post the saves here as part of the pass the buck post. THis would avoid the email delays.

I have yet to receive anything!!!

I am not even going to ask anymore, I am tired of bickering.

Than I will re-resend my savegame.

To the same address as I used for the first day. Note, that I now send mails from a different mail-account than before.
-minhthemaster@hotmail.com

Check your filters/junk mail. I don't see what can be wrong.

Than I will re-resend my savegame.

To the same address as I used for the first day. Note, that I now send mails from a different mail-account than before.
-minhthemaster@hotmail.com

Check your filters/junk mail. I don't see what can be wrong.

Perhaps the "-" is what's wrong.

I didn't include that when I sent it.

I'll send you the save via my hotmail account: maybe that works.

gps (game played and sent)

Nothing new really, sacrificed some unruly slave workers to our dark gods.

The Mayan Empire has finally settled in a semi-good location.

P.S. Turn Sent off to DS

GPS. Let's see if we can keep it moving now. :)

Nothing much to see here. Move along people.

The game has been sent to Provo.

The Celts are building their empire steadily.

game sent to blackheart: let's hope all problems are solved.

Excellent turn around here. 5 players in a 24 hour period. Good job. :thumbsup:

gps

I see that a lot of guys are twice my score! :(

gps

I see that a lot of guys are twice my score! :(
same here...

GPS -- didn't quite manage a 24 hour turnaround for all 8 players, but close :D

GPS -- didn't quite manage a 24 hour turnaround for all 8 players, but close :D
look at my awesome score! ;)

What turn are we up to because If we are up to turn 4 then I have not recieved the save?

What turn are we up to because If we are up to turn 4 then I have not recieved the save?

Yes we're on turn 4, so I just resent it..

Yes we're on turn 4, so I just resent it..
I have recieved it.

I pressed enter. That was alot of fun. The game is now with Provolution.

Who has it now?

I think Provolution. I should get the save after him.
I didn't see him posting the last few days, so he is probably on a X-Mas break. edit: he did post this morning

Which reminds me...I will be away in the first week of january.

is the save moving?

is the save moving?
No. have a look at the post above and you'll get your answer.

No. have a look at the post above and you'll get your answer.
lol, i read that but my brain didnt interperet it ;)

So is this game actually going to move? Thought Provolution's vacation should be over by now... or does someone else have it?

So is this game actually going to move? Thought Provolution's vacation should be over by now... or does someone else have it?
i think gert_janl is still away

i think gert_janl is still away
heshould be back very soon. So once he starts again, lets get moving.

It's stuck in limbo somewhere..

I am back, but I have never received a turn. The turn must be with Provolution, and I have seen him posting regularly in the previous period.

Whoever has it pleas play it, or else we will need to restart the game. This is getting very boring.

well provo has quit the DG, so my guesses are he has it

well provo has quit the DG, so my guesses are he has it

Most likely.

Can we drop a player, or do we need to start over?

Drop me please, my gaming PC collapsed

well the playre that starts it enters an admin password, but im not sure how to do anything with that pass

another option is to find a replacement for provo, and provo gives him/her his password

I would be willing to replace Provolution.

I would be willing to replace Provolution.
yay :goodjob:
Do you have 1.22 conquests?

Yes; my e-mail is tbentley@olivet.edu.

Any movement here? If replacing Provolution in-place doesn't work out, we're certainly early enough in the game to just restart.

I haven't received anything. A restart would be fine.

I haven't received anything. A restart would be fine.
ill agree with a restart

ill agree with a restart
That seems to be the best option. Why don't we move this thread to the PBEM sub forum once we started?

That seems to be the best option. Why don't we move this thread to the PBEM sub forum once we started?
cause its dg related and ppl can check this thread when they check the dg forums instead of looking thorugh a fews pages of pbem forum

Yo, any movement on this? Who's going to restart the game?

My computer went poof so I need to reinstall Conquests on it.

Uh oh, this game is getting hard on computers, first Provolution and now Blackheart. :eek:

have it reinstalled yet blackheart?

End of this week or beginning of next week. Someone else can start it if they want.

End of this week or beginning of next week. Someone else can start it if they want.
i would prefer to keep same order.
Is everyone still up for it?

i would prefer to keep same order.
Is everyone still up for it?

It can be, just put yourself at the start of the list, have DS next, etc.

It can be, just put yourself at the start of the list, have DS next, etc.
you can start it, we also need to make sure everyone still wants to play

I'm ready to play.

I'm still interested, please go ahead and start. :)

you can count me in as well (again)

you can start it, we also need to make sure everyone still wants to play

C3C isn't installed right now... But I'm still in. Random for me this time

I'm just wondering...do you have any room for 1 more??

If not that's okay....

-TP

I'm just wondering...do you have any room for 1 more??

If not that's okay....

-TP
we may if someone isnt up to restarting...
it will be abit before we know though

we may if someone isnt up to restarting...
it will be abit before we know though

Okay thanks....

-TP

I'll still want to play.

I think we should just scrap this game and forget about it.

never give up, never surrender!

computer working yet blackheart?

computer working yet blackheart?

No :(. Someone else can start this that has C3C.