Welcome to the family
(foreign affairs ministry involved limitedly in your affairs),

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/godfather1.jpg

I am nobody, you new Foreign Affairs minister, I am the head of this Familiy, and I am here to protect you, to protect you from your enemy’s, your enemy’s beyond our borders and beyond the oceans. I intend to do this by building up friends ships with the foreigners. Doing them favours and services and in return they will respect us. Then they will grow to love us. Then they will grow to fear us. Some people might think I am too new to the Demogame and “of course I’m not equal in these things to chieftess or cyc but if I ever need guidance, who's a better than my consiglieri than my Donovan Zoi”

My Goal as the leader of this family is to protect the people of Japanatica without using violence “I don’t like violence ……… I am a business man blood is a big expense.” I want to make the barbarians beyond our borders see sense. If they stop there resilient hatered and anger towards us, we will be able to give them gifts. That way our borders are safe and they are rich. Everyone wins. But there are some men out there who can not be reasoned with. These Pezzonovanti these .90 calibres these mean can not be reasoned with they are the leaders of Rouge States. Men like Shaka Zulu understand nothing but force. Not that I intend to attack such men. But we cannot deal with them, there inability to reason makes normal relations impossible. We can not give these men aid or open our borders because these Pezzonovanti they would use of gifts to build weapons, they would use our own rail roads against us. We can not deal with these Rouge States.

I also intend to create a new sub-department. This sub-department would be called the Office of National Security. The person in charge given the title National Security Officer. There role would be to watch over the Pezzonovanti and even our own friends to make sure done of them wish us harm. They would look out for anyone who wants to who wants to attack our borders or hurt our chances at victory.

With my trusted consiglieri Donovan Zoi and a new National Security Officer at my side I am certain I will be able to keep the peace. So that we make trade and make money after all we are not Communists.

[pimp] :ar15: :ar15: [pimp] [pimp]

World Relations

America- Polite - notrade - Peace
Aztecs- Annoyed - notrade - Peace
Babylon- Annoyed - notrade - Peace
China- Polite - Trade - Peace
France-anoyed - notrade - Peace
Iroquois-Furious - notrade - Peace
Rome- Furious - notrade - Peace
Russian- Anoyed - Trade - Peace
Zulu- Furious - notrade - War

Family Staff

Foreign Affairs Minister (Don): Nobody (haha there’s nobody in charge.. Hahaha shut your mouth)
Deputy (consiglieri) : Donovan Zoi
National Security Officer: To be appointed.

Affairs of State

Russia has positioned troops around one of our citys, here a poll on what to do POLL (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=106642) and a discussion (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=106624)

We want right of passages, talk about it here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2393543#post2393543)

XMAS gifts need to be given (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2393546#post2393546)

We ally with france (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2393550#post2393550)
Vacancies:

The Books are still open. Ali hasnt offically joined up, so please still apply for the National Security Officer position. If you would like this job please PM me with why you want it. (Bribes are always welcome).

Congrats d00d. You worked hard to get here!

Edit: I am lovink Nobody as Foreign Advisor. It is like great sex.

I assure you, my friend; Mr. Provolone and I have already dealt the upstart whelp Shaka what for by taking away his Ice Rocks (Diamonds).

How is this for an offer he cannot refuse:
He gives us all his Gold (77) and All of his GPT (14 GPT). In exchange, we lets him alone for a while.

Congrats Godfather :)

I can assure you Mr. Provolone can handle most gunfights. Now that we got nationalism.
Blood is not good for business, but as family members we can handle that.

Nobody,

Id like to request that we open a trade embargo against Zulu with all the nations of the world can you please negotitate this trade embargo against Zululand with the other nations in which to cripple the Zulu from making modern weapons and equipment, thus eliminating any future threats from them.

Matter such as Trade embargos, will be disscussed in due course. as of now im trying to get people to discuss the Rouge Nations status. I intend discuss trade embargos against rouge states latter. Thanks for you ideas. Go Talk in the Rouge states thread. i am hope for peace with zulu soon anyway.

NEWS FLASH!!! the evil zulus and gutless Romans have signed a Trade Embargo against us. I propose we hit back with a world wide trade embargo. Link (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2376248#post2376248)

I have only recived one application for the position of National Security Officer, There fore i have the easy task of appointing Ali to the position. After he has stated the corect oaths.

Ali first save this picture to your computer.
www.civfantics.net/uploads8/Vmary.jpg
Then Copy and Paste As i delete this scared file, so my soul may be deleted if i ever betray my freinds

Once you have done this you will be a made member of the FAmily and forever under our protection.

Remember, I also have powerful friends in high places.

*after hearing Classical Heros words, donovan starts to rise while reaching for his gun, Don Nobody places his arm of donovans sholder, to stop him teaching the intruder some respect. The don never a man to show his anger, calmy looks looks at classical hero and speaks softly *

My sincere congratulations, all men need freinds. Even lowly merchants need freinds. And i am sure your freinds are very powerfull. But don't rely to much on your freinds as they can betray you. I think you might of been mistaken when you came in here, in such a fashion, may you should go ask your high up freinds if they know Don Nobodzabiny. I have to go as i pressing matters, but a word to wise have you wife start up your car. ;)

Ah Don Nobodzabiny, I hope the FA and the CIA can work together in peace, otherwise you might find yourselves on the other end of a police barrel ;)

Director Blackheart, that would be most unfortunate because then the CIA would lose a director rather than gain a ally.

Director Blackheart, that would be most unfortunate because then the CIA would lose a director rather than gain a ally.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Send in the SWAT team! :ar15: :sniper:

Enjoy :beer:

The polls for Rogue states and the World Wide Embargo are up Link (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=106336) and Link (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=106327)

:cry: :cry: :( :( :cry: :cry: oh my god i just watched the God father 3 for the first time, i can't belive Mary Died. :cry: :( it didnt need to happen why couldnt they have take vincent, WHY? :cry: oh my god and now the don. My worlds falling down.

Umm... there, there... uh, it's just a movie...

It's alright, Nobody. The only real Godfather movies are the first two. Just ignore the third.

It's alright, Nobody. The only real Godfather movies are the first two. Just ignore the third.

:( i sposse, and what were they think with no robert devull

May I assume that my postion as Natioanal Security Officer be a joint position between the FA and the MSAV

It would not be joint, but you would have to look into military matters (keep track of the enemys to make sure no sneak attacks ect) and the Don Provolone and the FAmily have a working relationship.

Read the above post up 12 posts, and copy the oath. The picture failed, so just burning something personal, or pretend to.

The Peace has been given the OK by the people, now its time to take the offer the zulus.

after all we are not Communists
Why are you so against Communism? :hmm: Could it be that once we get police station, that it would be harder for you and your "legitimate" business group to run you "legitimate" operations? :wow:

Don of FAmilia Nobody,

France has a frigate mildly deep in our territorial waters and another one is on the border. America has a spearmen in our colony city of TBD and China has a rider on the border. Will la FAmilia do anything about them?

Why are you so against Communism? Could it be that once we get police station, that it would be harder for you and your "legitimate" business group to run you "legitimate" operations?

LoL thats what the Don Barzini says at the end of his speach. The FAmily has no offical posistion on comunism, except that this is not conquests and its a crap
goverment.

France has a frigate mildly deep in our territorial waters and another one is on the border. America has a spearmen in our colony city of TBD and China has a rider on the border. Will la FAmilia do anything about them?

There is instructions on how to deal them them. (they are very similar to civgenerals)

I need your input regarding what you are going to do with the Russian in this thread. Your thoughts on the matter will be greatly appreicated by the merchant community.

Regards, Classical_Hero, Trade Minister.

Honorable Minister Nobody and Deputy Zoi

Please look heavily into the new alliance structure forming.
Mutual Protection Pacts will drive policies for Term V, like it or not, no further need for delay, procrastination, Chamberlainism and misguided naive recognition of the fifth columnist advise from the "China-Friend" Camp.

Alliances

Russia got two bilateral military mutual protection pacts
Russa-Aztec (Vodka-Jaguar Pact) primarily target to dam in Chinese
Russia America (Heidelburg Defense Treaty) primarily target to protect joint Russian and American Enclaves within "China-Friendly" Region.

I got criticism for Xenophobia to China, but now three major nations has formed alliances obviously focussed on defending against China. Can three innocent sovereign nations be wrong against a nation known to have exterminated the morally and ethical human rights activists the Germans, proponents of honor, ethics, friendliness and nurturers of harmony, love and blissfull coexistence (put in Ashburnham-speak for ease of recognition by "China-Friends").

Finally, it is high time to make security guarantees to nations on our own continent, which could be Rome, Iroq, Babylon and Zulus, maybe the French.

If you want to, you can always pursue a dialogue with China, most certainly approved by the 20 % or so "China-Friends" of our nation.

Final point is, get your finger out NOW, and no more delay :D

Please also call for that base south of Salzburg.

Respectfully yours
Chief of Staff

I, too, think we should pursue an alliance with the Russians. They are clearly the biggest proponents of peace and cooperation on Atarashika, and it would be a shame if Japanatica stood to the side while another power took the role of uniter and moderater of the world. Or, to put it in Provo-speak "Teh aRmy iz teh c00lest!!!".

LOL@Ashburnham

Please allow me to emulate myself for self-irony in "Provo-speak"

Paragraph in Provo-speak saying what Ashburnham said:

" MSAV is poised to commit to a solid security foundation with our next logical diplomatic move, the Japanatican leadership of the Continental Alliance in Atarashika, securing our bonds with the Russians, our closest potential allies hosting our insular and isolated Coal City. The Russians are clearly the premier initiative-takers for Atarashikan and Global security, and it would be a sympthom of psychological and cognitive inferiority, especially after having invented Darwinism recently, that Japanatica allow itself to be a bystander in global affairs, and not take an active role of vision and leadership in containing evildoers. Or, to put it in Ash-tongue "Giiiiive piiiiiz a chance pliiiiz :D"."

What are we going to do about the Russian Invading our territory? Are we going to join in alliance, or would it be better to be with the Chinese?

What are we going to do about the Russian Invading our territory? Are we going to join in alliance, or would it be better to be with the Chinese?I was just going to ask the same thing having seen this in the save:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_AD1475_CoalCity.jpg

We could try with an MPP with the Russians, but like the Zulu I feel they're going to attack anyway. If they attack we lose Coal City. A MPP with the Chinese would allow them to take it before we get troops there ourselves.

Furiey is right, and there is no chance we can cash rush any units there.
We probably will lose coal city in 1-2 turns. An attack on Russia would mean war with Aztecs and America as well, and we are about to consider disbanding our Veteran Samurais I had considered to be our overseas Cavalry Expedition Corps.
With 20 or so units next by, I can assure you we need need that Corps.
Failed and confused foreign policy over centuries of isolationism, has given Japanatica no true friends, only hollow talk of friendship.

We face ten options

Evacuate Coal City and give it to Russia, add that to an MPP, ROP, later China War
Evacuate Coal City and give it to France, Russia MPP, later French War
Evacuate Coal city and give it to China, Russia MPP, later Chinese war
Evacuate Coal City and give it to America, Russia MPP, later Chinese War
Evacuate Coal City and give it to Aztecs, Russia MPP, later Chinese War
Evacuate Coal City and give it to Babylon, Russia MPP, later Babel War
Evacuate Coal City, and give it to Zulu, Russia MPP, later new Zulu War
Evacuate Coal city open for better defense in Jungle, sacrifice City (IC Mission)
Raze City and evacuate North or to the Sea (Imperial Commando Mission)
Defend Coal City, lose it then forget it, make peace

FA failed once again, if you did your homework last term, you would ask trade to sell coal to Russia, which was the reason this city was settled.
We will never get diplomatic victory with a passive FA policy.

MSAV Recommendation is to surrender city (since the people opposed the overseas base plan, the city has no chance of surviving, and with no city wall
rushes or additional defenses, the city is doomed. The worst part is the outstanding debt the Russians owe us, a staggering 3200 Gold. Compare this to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1991 to zero out national debt.)

So save the enormous 3200 trade deal, surrender the city to Russia to restore relations and give them back their coal, ask for MPP and ROP and evacuate. For the future, I recommend mountain fortresses built with MPP/ROP partners, later add in airports. 3200 gold is more worth than Coal city, the entire Military upgrade of Japanatica.

The alternate option, is to MPP all nations in Atarashika, and forfeit the Russian trade deal. MSAV is then willing to drive in the Debt of 3200 Gold for the Nation, and make a compensation assessment for what we seek to achieve. Sending out the expedition alone would cost us 30 Gold per turn for upkeeps, estimated 20 turns (600 gold), 200 Gold for extra upgrades, remuneration for military losses, 2000 gold worth for the trouble of going into war, plus the lost trade deal itself. 2800 + 3200 equals 6000 Gold of repairs.
MSAV estimates Coal City to be worth an additional 2000 Gold, if that is lost.
Doctrinally, MSAV consider Punjab and Sverdlovsk as cities worth taking for compensation.

I was just going to ask the same thing having seen this in the save:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_AD1475_CoalCity.jpg

We could try with an MPP with the Russians, but like the Zulu I feel they're going to attack anyway. If they attack we lose Coal City. A MPP with the Chinese would allow them to take it before we get troops there ourselves.
i had a simlar thought about this situation.

@ Provolution, Are you part of the FAmily, or are you the Minister of Defence, later renamed MSAV? You seem to be doing the Job of two ministers here.
Edit. Actually you could say it was trades fault but i thought that the money e would have got from a trade was too low for such a valuable commodity. At the time we would have got only a WM, 110 g and 18gpt for coal. Not enough to make it significant enough to trade it to Russia. Just look in the first discussion thread and you'll see it.

I could say that this situation is bad planning by MSAV because they should have seen that this city would be very valuable to the Russians and that they would try to take it. Why isn't there any barracks or walls there already, and the unit in there uprdaged to an Infantry. We have the money to rush all those things and more, because of my good work in getting lots of money from the Russians.

Being MSAV does not exclude me to air my views on security related situations, so no need to police me here, as usual. I am saying the city is indefensible, and that only a major diplomatic strategy beyond words, backed with action, may save the day. I just provide my ideas. As citizen if you prefer that hat.

Being MSAV does not exclude me to air my views on security related situations, so no need to police me here, as usual. I am saying the city is indefensible, and that only a major diplomatic strategy beyond words, backed with action, may save the day. I just provide my ideas. As citizen if you prefer that hat.
Who said i was policing you? Not me. I was just making an observation.

EDIT. I must admit that we have been way to isolationistic in this game and that has hurt us. That is why here at Trade, we are trying to make a difference.

EDIT2. Lets hear what he has to say once he is awake, because it is about 2:45am where he is.

Edit. Actually you could say it was trades fault but i thought that the money e would have got from a trade was too low for such a valuable commodity. At the time we would have got only a WM, 110 g and 18gpt for coal. Not enough to make it significant enough to trade it to Russia. Just look in the first discussion thread and you'll see it.


In situations like this, it is trades and FAs responsibility to maintain good relations. MSAV has asked for overseas bases since day one in Atarashika, and Culture and the China friends won the battle for this city, and there was no governor to look for the city's defenses. Since the city was founded 1385, and has existed for less than a hundred years, 90 years, MSAV was at the mercy of Fa, TA, Culture and the China Friends, besides, we fought a Zulu War 1400-1425, with inferior troops. MSAV has also been fighting hard for base funding against the peaceniks, some of them voted for no upgrades and the others for 1000-2000 class upgrades. The utter disregard for MSAV represented here, and a totally failed FA/TA policy in Atarashika, not calling for any deterring alliance of any kind, denying Russia their rightful industrialization with coal and so on. Tugela was successfully handled due to doctrine, but FA/TA/CA claimed full ownership over policies in Atarashika, denying MSAV to set up bases and locating an overseas Corps, which the people rejected in dscussions and polls. It is crystal clear where the error stands, the peaceniks thought they could win Atarashika with peaceful means and no overseas presence.


I could say that this situation is bad planning by MSAV because they should have seen that this city would be very valuable to the Russians and that they would try to take it. Why isn't there any barracks or walls there already, and the unit in there uprdaged to an Infantry. We have the money to rush all those things and more, because of my good work in getting lots of money from the Russians.

A barracks and city walls would only have increased the losses. I had no Rop or MPP treaty to enable access in there, and no means to produce what I needed, and the governor of the city neglected it utterly. If I can barely handle military finances in our own continent, how would I get funding to overseas military troops the peaceniks did not want. China-friends and capitalist interests dominate Atarashikan foreign policy, and this is the end result, with no security umbrella to shelter our interests.

We could have rushed a few troops there also to make it safer. But that is hindsight so it is best to figure ways of righting this situation.

The City would have fallen anyways, even if we had 3-4 more troops, especially as we just got infantry, and was still negotiating upgrades, within, which we barely got due to the TOE slingshot towards infantry. But I admit, I failed in believing blindly in that FA/TA/CA and the peaceniks would handle this, as well as the non.existant Governor and Domestic. So, in the end, we could have lost even more than we stand to lose. And no one would predict you called for a 3200 gold deal in the very last minuste from Russia, you got in the recent turnchat at a point I was not present. If you allowed me to develop doctrines for Atarashika, this would have been handled as smoothly as Tugela.

Unfortunately the people have been proven wrong. The Post Mortem of this will show that either we should not have gone to the Continent, or that when we make suh decision, we must carry them out fully. I think it is time for MSAV to figure out a way to get back that city and maybe even some more for punishment to the Russians. I would also like for us to try and get as Friendly with the Russians because they we such great customers.

I agree Minister Classical Hero, it is a bitter lesson, but as a Superpower we cannot allow ourself to turn the other cheek and walk away in disgrace with no international respect.
I will therefore, upon your recommendation, make an operational plan on how to win the war within two turnchats. Remember, we face more modern troops this time, with Cossacks and Riflemen, as well as cannons.

MSAV will now, upon the commission of Trade Minister Classical Hero develop a military strategy on securing our military interests.

It seems like the title of this thread is quite appropriate. ;)

Indeed Classical Hero :D By the way, I named the operation after you and Furiey. :D

1) we aren't a superpower, our will isn't enforced around the world
2) MSAV isn't fault free from fighting the Zulu war with inferior troops
3) FA did not fail, coal is Trade's responsibility, and Trade did not fail there either
4) MSAV sure likes to complain about how much things have gone wrong and put itself above blame
5) Military buildup was suggested, but ignored by the MSAV

All that being said, since when do we bow to external pressure? Why are we so scared of the Russians? If we sign an MPP with China, America, or Aztec right before the turn, our new allies will declare war on Russia for invading our territory.

And not meant as a mean jab or anything, but MSAV's plans of containment vs. China and befriending Russia have been proven wrong, especially that we took their coal from them.

1) we aren't a superpower, our will isn't enforced around the world

We are a superpower, we have the means to enforce our global will, and will need to do so in order to win the game. Saying anyting else is national treason and serves no purpose. FA or Historgraph, both require superpower status.

2) MSAV isn't fault free from fighting the Zulu war with inferior troops

The Tugela Campaign happened exactly as we planned, except for us having a bit old troops. However, using Elite Commandos accelerated Forbidden Palace, and we took the city at almost no cost, so yor criticism there falls short. MSAV got broad support for the performance in that campaign and the end result, as well as cooperation with the FA.

3) FA did not fail, coal is Trade's responsibility, and Trade did not fail there either

Everyone knows our Foreign Policy failed, but you Blackheart.

4) MSAV sure likes to complain about how much things have gone wrong and put itself above blame

MSAV sure gets most of the criticism from Mr Blackheart regardless, as shown throughout my administration in general, where everyone else goes free. MSAV can only take responsibility where this is given, and then deliver. This is the very proof that non-doctrinal policy thinking has failed, with compartmentalized Ministries focussing on short-sighted sectoral gains, at the cost of FAs effectiveness.
You denied personally Natioalism for a long while, personally worked against building up partnerships and personally talked Chinas case up till this point where a Russian conflict is likely.

5) Military buildup was suggested, but ignored by the MSAV

Wrong again Blackheart, you personally fought Japanatica getting Nationalism to the very end, your and your compatriots voting record proves that. You also proposed a limited upgrade of 1100, yet you dare to criticize MSAV for failing to call for military build-up (you only called for more musketmen). However, MSAV made the best use of limited resources, and delivered exactly what people want, short war, new city, some elites, very few losses, best use of obsolete troops possible, Forbidden Palace and a good peace settlement with the Zulus.

Minister Nobody

I call for some assistance ahead from the Family. Please see if you can protect the peace with any means possible at your disposal, propose the needed agreements you see fit.
However, please do what you can to trade territory maps with the Russians, as well as Investigate the following cities:

Moscow
Lahore
Punjab
Sverdlovsk

If you cannot prevent war with Russians (I hope you do, since 3200 gold is at stake here), I hope you agree on taking the Russian East Coast to protect our national interest, which is three cities. We plan on returning Moscow to Russia after the war, if you consider that a good foreign policy. However, FA can discuss and poll all agreements needed, where MSAV will poll and discuss which cities to conquer.

It seems to me that the smartest thing to do would be to sign an MPP with both America and Russia:

A Russian MPP (with RoP attached) will hopefully dissuade them from attacking us. If we go this route, we should NOT ask them to leave our territory. You see how that worked for the Zulus.

An American MPP would be used as leverage to keep Russia from breaking their treaty. If Russia attacks us without warrant, then America will ally with us instead of them. This in itself will hopefully be enough to have Cathy reconsider her intentions regarding Coal City, as well as holding her to her trade agreement.


Since MSAV is so quick to admonish those with peaceful intentions, I feel it should be noted that we would not be in this position were it for our interest in declaring foreign resources for ourselves with no viable strategy to retain the city. We had to trespass to get there, and we will have to trespass to secure it.

We are a superpower, we have the means to enforce our global will, and will need to do so in order to win the game. Saying anyting else is national treason and serves no purpose. FA or Historgraph, both require superpower status.

I beg to differ, if we had means to enforce ourselves across the globe Russia wouldn't be trespassing in TBD would they, nor would we be worrying about losing TBD. I am saying anything else, are you going to execute me for ridiculous treason? Diplomatic and Histograph history do not require us to be a superpower, just a friendly nation.

The Tugela Campaign happened exactly as we planned, except for us having a bit old troops. However, using Elite Commandos accelerated Forbidden Palace, and we took the city at almost no cost, so yor criticism there falls short. MSAV got broad support for the performance in that campaign and the end result, as well as cooperation with the FA.

Exactly as planned, except for old troops? :rolleyes: For all the planning that was made, the modern troops of Zululand weren't planned for were they?

Everyone knows our Foreign Policy failed, but you Blackheart.

Funny that, I don't remember you doing anything, while it was "failing", except trying to incite war with China.

MSAV sure gets most of the criticism from Mr Blackheart regardless, as shown throughout my administration in general, where everyone else goes free. MSAV can only take responsibility where this is given, and then deliver. This is the very proof that non-doctrinal policy thinking has failed, with compartmentalized Ministries focussing on short-sighted sectoral gains, at the cost of FAs effectiveness.
You denied personally Natioalism for a long while, personally worked against building up partnerships and personally talked Chinas case up till this point where a Russian conflict is likely.

Credit is received where credit is due. So now it's everyone elses fault that this situation rose up? We all supressed the FA? :lol: And how many times do I have to say it for you to absorb? TRADE FOR NATIONALISM, NOT RESEARCH IT. I personally worked against MSAV's attempt to make China an enemy, which the MSAV still doesn't seem to get.

Wrong again Blackheart, you personally fought Japanatica getting Nationalism to the very end, your and your compatriots voting record proves that. You also proposed a limited upgrade of 1100, yet you dare to criticize MSAV for failing to call for military build-up (you only called for more musketmen). However, MSAV made the best use of limited resources, and delivered exactly what people want, short war, new city, some elites, very few losses, best use of obsolete troops possible, Forbidden Palace and a good peace settlement with the Zulus.

My goodness, it seems like the broken record keeps on playing. My voting record speaks for itself, I'll vote what I see fit. Musketman are not military units? I took into the fact that cavalry becomes obsolete really quick and musketman doesn't.

Sorry for the off topicness there, so back to the discussion. A war not fought is a war won. We have a plenthora of options to gain more than lose from this, let us use them. We can involve China in an MPP with us, as well as America and Aztec. This way if Russia does indeed invade us, their backs will be up against a spiked wall.

I let the FA handle the crisis management here. MSAV will only plan for the Russian expedition in a separate thread, so our very few turnchats are not prematurely interrupted. On a good note, we cooperated well in the upgrade polls, and with the new upgrades, I am confident on a positive outcome of any future war this term.
I am only stating that there is no military solution on the coal city, just a remedy if diplomacy fails.

we are asking for trouble by doing this. Apparently it is too late to talk sense into those who have voted for this measure. So now that we have decided to meddle with Russia, we had better be ready to pay the price.
In the words of just about any action movie ever, "I have a bad feeling about this". If we start making bases and stationing troops in the middle of other nation's territory, we're eventually going to get burned. Let's leave Atarashika to the Atarashikans for the time being.
Settling there, is asking for it, IMHO. Let it go.

Borders will close in on it, anyway.
I am against settling a city just for the sake of it. We don't want to provoke china. If we will gain something from placing a city there do it. But not just for the sake of it, send the people home if need be. Defending our citys on Atarashika is a joke.
Again, I don't like any of the options. Disband him or send him home. There is no need for us to settle a corruption infested city which will only entice the AI to go to war with us.

Ask yourself this question: What do we gain of this city?


Damn, it hurts being so right.

*walks into the office at 10:30am* damn sorry im late i was up all night at the forbindin palace. ok back to workthe Family has posted a discussion, in the citizens forum please discuss it there. sorry im late guys.

Any chance you could edit the first post to correctly reflect France's attitude towards us?

the first post is my opening statement thing, the second is where it says nations atitude, i will go check

done and done

Thankee kindly :D

A discreet note was left on the Office of the FAmily. Do not threaten me. If you try to do that you will suffer the consquences of those actions.

i never threatened anyone.

*Puts down bowl and lighter*
*Exhales*
Dude, Russia totally declared war on us.
*Resumes smokin'*

Edit: You just entered the chat, n/m

*NEWS FLASH*

The FA conferms reports that russia has attacked. Japantica is in a dire situation, But the FAmily is working for you, everything will work on top. I am going to go check the save and get back to you.

*NEWS FLASH*

The FA conferms reports that russia has attacked. Japantica is in a dire situation, But the FAmily is working for you, everything will work on top. I am going to go check the save and get back to you.

I wouldn't call it dire yet, they can't reach us!

I wouldn't call it dire yet, they can't reach us!
I would. They should pay for there treachery.

"ummm... boss can i go home early"
"whys that sonny?"
"ummm.. cause i am kind of the president of a online nation and we are at war."
"what is that some sort of fetish thing?".........

Wednesday's supposed to be 1 of my 3 days off, actually. but because of extra deliveries, there's talk of brinning me in for a short while that day in addition to my normal shifts.

ummm........ yes mr president i would love a omlete. On Foreign news we have signed Mutual Protections Pacts with America, Aztecs and France who have recently entered the war against russia. The Foriegn Ministry has the upmost faith in our military to punish the evil russians and i will soon be dicussing more allainces. Well ummm... as you were.

This Offices is closed for 3 days, so to cover chrismas, eve and boxing day.

This Offices is closed for 3 days, so to cover chrismas, eve and boxing day.
or you could let donovan zoi take over for 3 days :)

*little memo left on desk while Minister in hot aztecian sun* p.s. donovan could take over and post his second post in this thread

*packs up belongings, my little book of nobody jokes and my copys of Godfather 1 and 2, and my copy of the constitution and my large japantikan flag* cya all

Here's that second post you were looking for. ;)

Didn't want to step on your toes, Boss. Next time PM me. :)