Good evening ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Term 5 Culture Ministry. I will be your Culture Minister for this term. Can I interest you in the Current Discussions or Current Polls links located below? They provide easy access to anything concerning the Culture Ministry. Or perhaps you would like to see the Culture Report, located in the next post? Please enjoy your stay, and don't hesitate to tell me if there's anything we can do to improve your cultural experience this term.

Culture Minister: Ashburnham
Deputy Minister: Curufinwe


Current Discussions:
none for now

Current Polls:
Should we switch Battlefield Medicine and build Shakespeare's Theatre? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=107308)



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National Culture: 26805

The Romans and Iroqouis are in awe of our culture.
The Aztecs, Americans, Babylonians, Zulu, Chinese, and Russians are admirers of our culture.
The French are impressed with our culture.

Cities
Salamanca
Total Culture: 78
Culture per Turn: 2
Turns until Expansion: 11
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)

Roma
Total Culture: 332
Culture per Turn: 5
Turns until Expansion: 134
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)

Fanatikku
Total Culture: 2481
Culture per Turn: 23
Turns until Expansion: 327
Cultural Sources:
- Palace (2 per Turn)
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Library (6 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)
- University (4 per Turn)
- Colosseum (4 per Turn)

Yatta
Total Culture: 74
Culture per Turn: 4
Turns until Expansion: 7
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)
- Forbidden Palace (2 per Turn)

Furuyama
Total Culture: 545
Culture per Turn: 7
Turns until Expansion: 65
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)

Immo
Total Culture: 1486
Culture per Turn: 16
Turns until Expansion: 533
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)
- University (4 per Turn)
- Colosseum (2 per Turn)

Doomsville
Total Culture: 633
Culture per Turn: 14
Turns until Expansion: 27
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)
- University (4 per Turn)
- Colosseum (2 per Turn)

Hill Valley
Total Culture: 190
Culture per Turn: 8
Turns until Expansion: 102
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)

Epolenep
Total Culture: 1311
Culture per Turn: 16
Turns until Expansion: 544
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)
- University (4 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)
- Colosseum (2 per Turn)

Cattaraugus
Total Culture: 34
Culture per Turn: 2
Turns until Expansion: 33
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)

Cumae
Total Culture: 87
Culture per Turn: 5
Turns until Expansion: 3
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)

Oil Springs
Total Culture: 14
Culture per Turn: 2
Turns until Expansion: 43
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)

Zojoji
Total Culture: 2469
Culture per Turn: 26
Turns until Expansion: 290
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Library (6 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)
- University (4 per Turn)
- Colosseum (2 per Turn)
- Copernicus' Observatory (4 per Turn)
- Magellan's Voyage (3 per Turn)

Odawara
Total Culture: 2160
Culture per Turn: 25
Turns until Expansion: 314
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Library (6 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)
- University (4 per Turn)
- Colosseum (2 per Turn)
- Newton's Observatory (6 per Turn)

Shorin-Ryu
Total Culture: 2175
Culture per Turn: 23
Turns until Expansion: 341
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Library (6 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)
- University (4 per Turn)
- Colosseum (2 per Turn)
- Smith's Trading Company (3 per Turn)
- Military Academy (1 per Turn)

Baldur's Gate
Total Culture: 186
Culture per Turn: 2
Turns until Expansion: 407
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)

Regent Town
Total Culture: 1622
Culture per Turn: 23
Turns until Expansion: 365
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Library (6 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)
- University (4 per Turn)
- Colosseum (2 per Turn)
- Heroic Epic (4 per Turn)

Wakashio
Total Culture: 878
Culture per Turn: 2
Turns until Expansion: 11
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)

Port Solema
Total Culture: 168
Culture per Turn: 2
Turns until Expansion: 416
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)

Corrino
Total Culture: 1695
Culture per Turn: 19
Turns until Expansion: 438
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Libarry (6 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)
- University (4 per Turn)
- Colosseum (2 per Turn)

Nihilon
Total Culture: 471
Culture per Turn: 5
Turns until Expansion: 106
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)
- building a University in 4 Turns

Osgiliath
Total Culture: 1335
Culture per Turn: 14
Turns until Expansion: 619
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)
- University (4 per Turn)
- building Universal Suffrage in 9 Turns

Tonawanda
Total Culture: 54
Culture per Turn: 5
Turns until Expansion: 10
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)
- building a Cathedral in 76 Turns

En'Gha
Total Culture: 1774
Culture per Turn: 21
Turns until Expansion: 392
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Library (6 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)
- University (4 per Turn)
- Colosseum (2 per Turn)
- Wall Street (2 per Turn)
- building a Palace in 20 Turns

Ominato
Total Culture: 216
Culture per Turn: 2
Turns until Expansion: 392
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)

Sto'vo'kor
Total Culture: 767
Culture per Turn: 14
Turns until Expansion: 17
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)
- University (4 per Turn)

TBD (Kyoto)
Total Culture: 0
Culture per Turn: --
Turns until Expansion: --
Cultural Sources:
- building a Temple in 23 Turns

Tugela
Total Culture: 0
Culture per Turn: --
Turns until Expansion: --
Cultural Sources:

Windurst
Total Culture: 704
Culture per Turn: 10
Turns until Expansion: 30
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)
- building a University in 3 Turns

Pete
Total Culture: 575
Culture per Turn: 14
Turns until Expansion: 31
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)
- University (4 per Turn)

Manchai
Total Culture: 512
Culture per Turn: 10
Turns until Expansion: 49
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)

Bentropolis
Total Culture: 407
Culture per Turn: 7
Turns until Expansion: 85
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (4 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)
- building a University in 14 Turns

Gerunshi
Total Culture: 212
Culture per Turn: 2
Turns until Expansion: 394
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)
- building a Library in 6 Turns

Grumpypuss
Total Culture: 104
Culture per Turn: 2
Turns until Expansion: 448
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)

Kagemusha
Total Culture: 174
Culture per Turn: 2
Turns until Expansion: 413
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)

Izanaga-No-Mikoto
Total Culture: 78
Culture per Turn: 2
Turns until Expansion: 11
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)
- building a Library in 7 Turns

Drachenfels
Total Culture: 416
Culture per Turn: 5
Turns until Expansion: 117
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)
- building a University in 2 Turns

Duckburg
Total Culture: 509
Culture per Turn: 8
Turns until Expansion: 62
Cultural Sources:
- Temple (2 per Turn)
- Library (3 per Turn)
- Cathedral (3 per Turn)
- building a University in 8 Turns

Wonders
The Russians have The Colossus (Moscow, 290BC) and The Great Library (Delhi, 530BC).

The Babylonians have The Great Lighthouse (Nineveh, 230AD) and Leonardo's Workshop (Ur, 1000AD).

The Iroqouis have The Hanging Gardens (Grand River, 250AD).

The Aztecs have The Oracle (Tenochtitlan, 530BC) and Sun Tzu's Art of War (Tenochtitlan, 920AD).

The Zulu have The Great Wall (Zimbabwe, 510BC).

The French have JS Bach's Cathedral (Marseilles, 1040AD).

The Chinese have no Wonders.

We have Smith's Trading Company (Shorin-Ryu, 970AD), Copernicus' Observatory (Zojoji, 920AD), Sistine Chapel (Salamanca, 1020AD), The Pyramids (Salamanca, 530BC), Newton's University (Odawara, 1210), and Magellan's Voyage (Zojoji, 1290)!

I got two urgent Cultural Warzones. Primarily, towards France, as we got a longer border, and secondarily to our junior neigbor, Iroq.

I agree that the French border (particularly Tugula) is an important zone for Culture. The Iroqouis border, while still an area to keep our eye on, is considered much less of a Cultural threat. However, we would like to see the cities of Cumae and Oil Springs strengthened culturally (do we really need to be producing more workers?).

I think we lose Iroq, if we do not produce more culture there. Historically, starvation and conscript labor is the dictator solution. I prefer more culture and assimilation.
I would say both Kagemusha and Tugela are critical spots here.

I definitely agree with provo. If we are to be a game of democracy, and as well challenge our ability as players, why not pose some limitations upon ourselves. For example, no "dictatorial" actions? What does everyone think?

I definitely agree with provo. If we are to be a game of democracy, and as well challenge our ability as players, why not pose some limitations upon ourselves. For example, no "dictatorial" actions? What does everyone think?

Is it dictatorial if the WOTP want it?...

What I mean is in Civ3 terms. Pop-rushing, non-democratic governments, etc. I play under certain restrictions, varying from game to game, to offer a certain variety and added challenge, without going up a level in difficulty. It's of course entirely optional, and I'm merely suggesting something.

Minister Ashburnham, as Mayor of Zojoji, I again request that our great city be allowed to build the Great Wonder Universal Suffrage. I feel our city would be put to much better use building a Wonder than producing Wealth.

Of course you're city is a likely contender for this honor, Mayor, but you must understand the MoC will be looking into all possibilities before coming to a final conclusion. Rest assured that the shining city of Zojoji is always high on the Ministry's list when it comes to Wonders.

The city of Sto'vo'kor would also like to contend for this position. The citizens of Sto'vo'kor have always believed in equal rights for all (except those dirty slaves we keep :lol: ).

A note to all Wonder lobbyists, a discussion is up as to where to build US. It can be found in the first post under "Current Discussions".

I think Universal Suffrage already lost several polls already.

I think Universal Suffrage already lost several polls already.


If you are referring to this poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=104320), taken by former Ministry MOTH, you will see that the people voted 10 to 9 for building the Wonder. They simply couldn't decide where. I am interpreting this poll to mean that the people want to see US built, and am currently holding a discussion to see where we should do so. If you would still like me to hold a confirmation poll, I would be happy to oblige, but the fact that several other nations have a head-start in building the Wonder makes me feel that speed is a necessity.

If you are referring to this poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=104320), taken by former Ministry MOTH, you will see that the people voted 10 to 9 for building the Wonder. They simply couldn't decide where. I am interpreting this poll to mean that the people want to see US built, and am currently holding a discussion to see where we should do so. If you would still like me to hold a confirmation poll, I would be happy to oblige, but the fact that several other nations have a head-start in building the Wonder makes me feel that speed is a necessity.

Honorable Governor,
If you check post #8 in the above mentioned thread you will see that I changed my vote before the poll closed, but no Mod ever updated the numbers. Also, this was a multiple choice poll, so the people had the option for voting for both cities but choose not to.

The final vote tally was therefore 4 votes for Osgiliath Only, 5 votes for Corrino or En'Gha, and 10 votes for don't build US.

I believe that we should have a confirmation poll for a new location, but I believe based on the prior vote a city should need to get 55% of the vote with a Code of Law quorum.

Hm.. That is interesting.

Well, it looks like I'll be setting up a confirmation poll.

Honorable Minister (got the title right this time),
I would like to bring to your attention that several civilizations now know Free Artistry. In regards to this I have 2 requests:

1. Regarding potential Wonder Cascades from Universal Suffrage: Could you look into about when each of the other 5 nations began their construction of Universal Suffrage so that we can estimate how many shields will be available to cascade to Shakespeare's Theatre?

2. Regarding Culture Wars: I would like to request that Epolenep's build of Battlefield Medicine be switched to Shakespeare's Theatre. I believe that this will complete Shakespeare's Theatre in 6-8 turns depending on Epo's MM.
Edit: Shake's will complete immediately at a loss of about 100 shields (but saving Shake's from a wonder cascade.
Edit again: I finally looked at the save. We have about 254 shields towards BM. It will be 4-6 turns if we switch to ST.

It looks like there is very little time before the next TC, so the polls approving these changes might need to be rushed.

Thank you Governor MOTH for your suggestions. A poll has been created to see whether we should build Shake's and switch BM. As for the start dates of other nations' Universal Suffrage, I will begin an investigation of that immediately.

I strongly advise that we produce Universal Suffrage, for symbolic reasons. As I've stated in the pst, we're a game of DEMOCRACY, nad democracy can not exist without universal suffrage,

Well, actually Curufinwe, 19th century America can attest that universal suffrage is not required for democracy. But your point is well taken. Japanatica needs to be at the forefront of progress and equality if we truly want to be the leaders of the world.

Unfortunately, exact dates for when the other nations began US could not be found. But, a look at the 1425 save shows that we were the only ones building US at that time. Of the other cities building US, only Chartes and Moscow could possibly come close to matching Zojoji in production. I think it is safe to say Universal Suffrage is assured. As for possible Wonder spillover, if the plan shown in this poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=107308) goes through, we will actually complete Shakespeare's Theatre before US. So there should be no worries about that.

That depends on your definition of democracy. To me, democracy at it's most basic involves majority rule and political equality, together simply as rule by the people. A government where women, racial minorities have no vote, the voting system is dominated either by self-serving oligarchs (the Senate of the time, chosen by the state legislatures) or by the undemocratic system of SMP in the HOR, can not be called democracy by any normal understanding of the term. Indeed, the United States can not be called a democracy today, as it is not "rule by the people". And, rule by the people needn't be direct. Basically, the USA has never been, and isn't, a democracy. And there are many countries that are democracies, such as Germany, New Zealand and Switzerland.

Mr Ashburnham,

Greetings from the FAmily, i am sure you have hearded of me but up until now we have not meet on a offical bases. I am Nobody the Foreign Minister of Japantica.
I have come here to day to ask a favor of you. As you know our nation now has the technology of espionage, and as you also know our nation is currently involved in a war. So i come here today to ask you to bulid the Intelligene agency. As a wonder i think it is our responsability for such things. The Intelligency agency will allow us to see our enemys military, and therefore back up our soliders in the field with up to date intelligence. Also it could be usefull for the Cultural ministry, we could investigate citys and if another nation was about to bulid a wonder that you wanted, we could "sabotage" there production.

I thank you for your consideration and iam sure you will make the right decission.

Don Nobodizni

Honorable Minister,
It has come to my attention that another Governor has placed orders to build two of the small wonders. I am unable to find any discussion or polling on this matter, so I thought I would bring it to your attention.

I will also put in some conflicting build queues for my province with statements to defer to your instructions for overrides.

That is extremely interesting. Thank you for bringing that to my attention, Governor MOTH.


I'll admit, the MoC has been in a bit of disarray in the last week or so. But I will start an investigation immediately.

I wish to apologise for placing 2 small wonders into my queues. As Ashburnham stated, the MoC has been in a bit of a disarray. I will imediately remove them from the queues in the next turnchat.

However, I do want to place up a recomendations for both the Pentagon and the Intelegency Department in order to correct the situation.

Please do accept my humble apologies.
Governer General CivGeneral

As Mayor of Zojoji, I would like to request information about the requirements of building the Iron Works in our great city. Do we need a confirmation Poll or not? This Small Wonder is specific to Zojoji as we are the only city with both Iron and Coal resources. Can we just build it now, even though Governor Zarn has resigned? Can President SD3 just replace the Infantry (we've got like 150 military units already) with The Iron Works Wonder?

I have create a new discussion about the two wonders here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=108300).

Not to worry, I have removed the wonders from my queues.

As Mayor of Zojoji, I would like to request information about the requirements of building the Iron Works in our great city. Do we need a confirmation Poll or not? This Small Wonder is specific to Zojoji as we are the only city with both Iron and Coal resources. Can we just build it now, even though Governor Zarn has resigned? Can President SD3 just replace the Infantry (we've got like 150 military units already) with The Iron Works Wonder?


The feeling of the MoC is that, since Iron Works is such a specific and small Wonder, the choice of building it should fall to the major or governor. Normally, it would be standerd procedure to have a confirmation/placement poll; but since there is only one city able to build this Wonder I will leave it up to the governor's discresion.

Thank you, Minister Ashburnham.