Preview are in!!!! POST #3

Hi all!!!
a new version of the Three Kingdoms is currently in progress.

working with me is Sarevok (the original creator), and Citizen001(a rotk fanatic).

this version will use the same map, but with different (and hopefully more accurate) city, river, and resource placement.

Each kingdom will have many flavour units, and each hero unit will have unique stats.

This thread is for gathering and sharing ideas and a preview of progress...

Me and citizen001 are way to busy to do anything, hence the inactiviy for god knows how long. files have been passed to TETurkhan

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Han Dynasty
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Tech1.jpg
Early Three Kingdoms
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Tech21.jpg
Late Three Kingdoms (shu's tech line)
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/tech3.jpg
Minimap Preview
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/minimap3.JPG

first task, THE MAP!!

city names will be translate and put in approximate locations...
major rives will be coast, minor will be rivers

I might be able to work on some cities, but not very soon. Dont know if you actually need them either :D

There is already a map...

There is already a map...
i know.
i'm gonna use it, but i'm trying to put cities and wide rivers in more accurate locations

I might be able to work on some cities, but not very soon. Dont know if you actually need them either :D
we'll probably need new cities...
time frame 200-300AD china

i'll try and find some pics

we'll probably need new cities...
time frame 200-300AD china

i'll try and find some pics

I made city graphics based on the Song Dynasty era, but that's 600 years too late. Don't know if you could use them as "generic" graphics. I have the link in my sig. :)

I made city graphics based on the Song Dynasty era, but that's 600 years too late. Don't know if you could use them as "generic" graphics. I have the link in my sig. :)
these cities can be use i guess, but they look very 2d, possibly because of the colours.
they may look better in game though..

Kingdom of Shu-Han

The Kingdom of Shu-Han should have a unique unit which has increased movement and perhaps defense in mountainouse and hilly regions.

After all Shu is situated in the mountainous west of China.

Kingdoms of Wei and Wu

I agree with Wei being cavalry specialists. Perhaps a horse unique unit which has greater movement in plains? Also increased attack but crap defense...after all Wei wasnt strong on defense, the Northern Campaigns of Kongming caught them largely off guard and they lost the Western Capital of Chang An.
They only pushed Zhuge Liang out of the west AFTER beginning a counter offensive.

Indeed Wu's strength lay in its powerful Navy which aided the Kingdoms endurance far beyond the collapse of Shu to Wei/Jin...
A strong navy, or perhaps a unit with no movement penalty over rivers? Should be their UU.

Earlier Scenarios

I propose after getting an actual Three Kingdoms scenario off the ground, that begins at Zhuge Liangs' Northern Campaigns against Wei, starting earlier scenarios?
Included Scenarios could/would be (my desired ones in bold):-
-the Yellow Turban Revolt period after the fall of Xu Chang to the rebels when Liu Bei raises his volunteer army.
-the alliance against Dong Zhuo period after the fall of Ding Yuan and the raising of troops by Cao Cao.
-the Invasion of Yanzhou by Lu Bu (which happens to coincide with Sun Ce's campaign in Jiang Dong).
-the False Emperor Yuan Shu (just because id like to play a game as the Kingdom of Cheng :D ).
-He Bei campaign (the war between Cao Cao and Yuan Shao) and Cao Cao expelling Liu Bei from Xuzhou.
-Liu Bei becomes King of Hanzhong (when Liu Bei seizes "Shu" from Liu Zhang) and the division of Jingzhou.
-Jiang Wei's northern Campaigns (after the death of the mighty Kongming).

Leaders

Here is a tentative list of Military and Scientific leaders (ones i can remember off the top of my head:-
Wei
Cao Cao (King Unit)
Cao Pi (King Unit)
Cao Rui (King Unit)

Military=
Cao Ren
Cao Hong
Xiahou Dun
Xiahou Yuan

Yue Jin
Li Dian
Zhang Liao
Dian Wei
Xu Zhu

Scientific=
Xun Yu
Xun You
Cheng Yu
Guo Jia
Liu Ye
Xu You
Jia Xu
Kuai Yue
Kuai Liang
Sima Yi

Wu
Sun Jian (king Unit)
Sun Ce (King unit)
Sun Quan (King Unit)
Sun Deng (King Unit)

Military=
Lady Sun Shang Xiang
Cheng Pu
Lu Meng
Zhu Zhi
Jiang Qin
Zhou Tai
Gan Ning
Taishi Ci
Chen Wu
Zhang Ying

Scientific=
Zhou Yu
Hua Xin
Lu Xun
Zhang Zhao
Zhang Hong
Lu Su
Sun Jing

Shu
Liu Bei (king unit)
Liu Feng (ok so i know he never reigned but he was the elder child adopted though he was - king unit?)
Liu Shan/Chan (King unit)

Military=
Guan Yu
Zhang Fei
Liao Hua
Zhao Cang
Zhao Yun
Huang Zhong
Ma Chao
Cao Bao
Mi Feng
Guan Ping
Guan Xing
Guan Suo
Zhang Bao
Hu Ban
Wei Yan

Scientific=
Zhuge Liang/Kongming
Xu Shu
Pang Tong
Jian Yong
Mi Zhu
Sun Qian
Jiang Wei

Map
Id rather use the Dynasty tactics as a reference for the map - a lot more city names/placements to draw on - than the RTK map you posted...

If you post some pics i can make a fast first sketch of a city, and post it etc

virtually all of those requested features are in my long dead project of the extended version of the three kingdoms scenario. I think ill revive that thread now.

How are we gonna irrigate the hills of shu?

Military=
Lady Sun Shang Xiang


looks like somebody's been playing too much Dynasty Warriors. Sun Shang Xiang didn't actually fight in any battles. her fight prowress comes only in a form of art. watch the TV series, it gets partially revealed there.

@Sarevok wouldn't it be better and more organised if we work together in one thread instead of alternating threads.

wrong post sorry

looks like somebody's been playing too much Dynasty Warriors. Sun Shang Xiang didn't actually fight in any battles. her fight prowress comes only in a form of art. watch the TV series, it gets partially revealed there.

@Sarevok wouldn't it be better and more organised if we work together in one thread instead of alternating threads.

Yes I know she didnt. I HAVE read the book! :mad:
I just think she is great is all. Need a token kick butt female warrior that isnt Madam Zhu Rong... :lol:

And if you had bothered to read my post properly you would have seen the words "off the top of my head" - meaning i didnt go look at the book to find them.
And my location is SCOTLAND UK. We dont have the TV show here. :crazyeye:

Now if you kindly refrain from flaming me in future post contributions especially ones that I make at half past midnight I would be very pleased...

Few people have seen the TV series, might be because it is Chinese. There is one with english subtitles available, you can probably find one at www.yesasia.com

Here's a map with english city names.
http://img143.exs.cx/img143/4199/rot3kvigamemap1eg.jpg

Here is a large, detailed map of China during this era.
http://img82.exs.cx/img82/1097/citymap1le.th.gif (http://img82.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img82&image=citymap1le.gif)

And if you guys ever need any help, feel free to contact me. I'm a big fan of this era.

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And if you guys ever need any help, feel free to contact me. I'm a big fan of this era.

I know. You did my avatar on SimRTK. :D

Thanx by the way.

If you can find a DT version of the map that would be better i think. more cities...

Yes I know she didnt. I HAVE read the book! :mad:
I just think she is great is all. Need a token kick butt female warrior that isnt Madam Zhu Rong... :lol:

And if you had bothered to read my post properly you would have seen the words "off the top of my head" - meaning i didnt go look at the book to find them.
And my location is SCOTLAND UK. We dont have the TV show here. :crazyeye:

Now if you kindly refrain from flaming me in future post contributions especially ones that I make at half past midnight I would be very pleased...

firstly, i didn't say or even imply that you hadn't read the book, i was merely contributing to your post and secondly i did not 'flame' you.

And if you guys ever need any help, feel free to contact me. I'm a big fan of this era.
thanks for the map
ur on the team...

Kingdom of Shu-Han

The Kingdom of Shu-Han should have a unique unit which has increased movement and perhaps defense in mountainouse and hilly regions.

After all Shu is situated in the mountainous west of China.

Kingdoms of Wei and Wu

I agree with Wei being cavalry specialists. Perhaps a horse unique unit which has greater movement in plains? Also increased attack but crap defense...after all Wei wasnt strong on defense, the Northern Campaigns of Kongming caught them largely off guard and they lost the Western Capital of Chang An.

good idea for shu...

horses will be defenseless transports that can be captured and utilised by any race

we need a bigger map!!!!!
HELP!!!!!!!
about 120x120-160x160

@varwnos
city graphics, probably best for city/metro
hope this is enough for you to make a start...

towns should be small low lying biuldings, perhaps with a shrine

just about all cities and metros should be walled!! cities mainly with single story biuldings + temple, well, market place...
metros should have palaces

...thanks

i have to try the original game too i think

towns should be small low lying biuldings, perhaps with a shrine

just about all cities and metros should be walled!! cities mainly with single story biuldings + temple, well, market place...
metros should have palaces

...thanks

i thought we already had the building graphics. remember the chinese buildings thing from the song dynasty? or do we want one specifically designed for TTK?

Perhaps we should focus on one tab at a time to organise things a bit more. Starting with the most trivial things first or the most important things? If you have any other ideas please post.

maps and graphics first
then general tab
than civs
then units
then techs
then whatever...

Sounds good, genuine graphics are gonna be hard to find tho.

i just had a thought...
instead of governments, why not have titles
default is Governor and works your way through general and primeminister to emperor
each government or title gets progressively better, but may have small disadvantages over previous ones

for instance emporer means u get production bonus as well as unit support, however war weariness is significantly higher then if u were a prime minister or general

Well i have made these two atm. You like? The small one can be left without the palace, but i dont think that any other changes can be made.

i'm happy to annouce that the new map (basci terrain only) is done
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2423210#post2423210
special thanks to MaisseArsouye :goodjob: :) :king:

Well i have made these two atm. You like? The small one can be left without the palace, but i dont think that any other changes can be made.
hmm
small one with no palace but small biuldings would be good
the big one is great...
is it possible to keep roof colour consistant (orange rather than blue)

Well i have made these two atm. You like? The small one can be left without the palace, but i dont think that any other changes can be made.

Looks good - tho the bigger city seems; i dunno a little big? but maybe thats just me...

hmm
small one with no palace but small biuldings would be good
the big one is great...
is it possible to keep roof colour consistant (orange rather than blue)

Yeh I think that would be a good idea...
What about having Shu, Wu, and Wei different culture groups? Ya know like Europe, Mid Eastern, Far eastern... Where "Wu" cities would have red roofs, "Wei" cities have blue roofs, and "Shu" cities have green roofs?
Maybe a "neutral" group with grey or orange roofs as well?

For earlier scenarios we could roughly divide the Lords between the three (or 4 if we include neutral for Dong Zhuo/Li Jue) groups based on what region they are in from sbennets city map.

Hm, i adapted it to civ colours, and changed the roof of the palace to orange, also i made a smaller palace for city size #1

edit: now the city size #1 also has a small building with a dark roof, and the palace has two floors. (the palaces were made from the rottk pic)

Nice to see some of my stuff in there. At least I know that they're actually being used. :p My graphics were all 24-bit BMPs, so they might lose a bit of their color when you convert them to PCXs.

I used part of your walls, and the turret buildings (red and blue), which are very nice :goodjob: You should be careful with the colours though ;)

nice cities...
if u complete them , we'll use

Well i made a new tower, a central field with paths to it, and added some more buildings here and there. Do you regard these as complete?
Remember that you asked for them to be all walled (i dont view that as very good graphically, but it would take a lot more work to create smaller walls for them, and i always pass on having to do wore work :king: :mischief: :king: )

Nice work! thank YOU!!

Could you please post them? thanks.

Ok, you can dl them from the graphics forum now ;)

hi guys...
progress with map is good..
rivers are in place and most cities are in... however there is not nearly enough cities. i know alot of city names but not where their located so if anyone has maps of the three kingdoms era, pls post

hi guys...
progress with map is good..
rivers are in place and most cities are in... however there is not nearly enough cities. i know alot of city names but not where their located so if anyone has maps of the three kingdoms era, pls post

What was wrong with the map sbennet posted? And then I reposted?

EDIT some features in that map kinda contradicts the three other maps we are working off... but we'll use if theres nothin better

we're up to putting units in...
don't know what to call the units though
any ideas?
we need 3 levels of foot soldiers, 3 levels of horsemen, 3 levels of archers ect

I think it is time that i ask for my modest reward for making the cities. I think that giving the strongest of Cao-cao's army unit my name will be fair :lol:

lol...
the varwnos heavy cav!!

I was thinking of something more like "the Kyriakos knightbrigader of death" :borg:

:)

previews are up in post 3... :goodjob:
includes tech tree of later han (already researched)
tech tree of early ttk
and minimap preview

Tech tree looks good.

What precisely is Daoism supposed to be? Is it supposed to be Taoist? If so it should probably come earlier in the tree - the Yellow Turbans were Taoist religious rebels...

hello hidden_evil, i haven't checked this thread for a long time. :lol:
nice tech tree, i completely agree with all the technologies which you have implemented on the technology tree. you have done a very good job.

@Angelscotboi daoism is a tech filler.

varwnos you beast! thanks for creating all the graphics, i'm sure Luo Guangzhong would have been very proud.

Im pretty sure he is too, he spoke to me in a vision and commanded that the cities should be made as they were.

Got to go take my medication again, or else some rather scary looking beings will want to talk to me too.

:joke:

ps: im not sure if i like the english language so much, ive been called "freak" and now "beast", which i guess means that my work was great :lol: A better title would be "Prince", or even "Baron" (which is what my nickname means afterall) ;)

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@Angelscotboi daoism is a tech filler.

Yes this really answers my question. :rolleyes:

Im pretty sure he is too, he spoke to me in a vision and commanded that the cities should be made as they were.

Got to go take my medication again, or else some rather scary looking beings will want to talk to me too.

:joke:

ps: im not sure if i like the english language so much, ive been called "freak" and now "beast", which i guess means that my work was great :lol: A better title would be "Prince", or even "Baron" (which is what my nickname means afterall) ;)


:lol: i usually associate beast to someone with a capacity to produce great works. but sure if you like Prince better i don't mind. :lol:

Yes this really answers my question. :rolleyes:

what would you suggest we put in its place then?

Tech tree looks good.

What precisely is Daoism supposed to be? Is it supposed to be Taoist? If so it should probably come earlier in the tree - the Yellow Turbans were Taoist religious rebels...
Doaism is Taoism... no distinction whatsoever
and in fact it is only documented to be in existence in the late 3rd century, which is actually the late three kingdoms period...
in any case, as citizen001 said, its a filler

if u have any better suggestions, pls post.

@Angelscotboi; ps. could u write a senario intro. the file is down a bit in script.txt

ps: im not sure if i like the english language so much, ive been called "freak" and now "beast", which i guess means that my work was great :lol: A better title would be "Prince", or even "Baron" (which is what my nickname means afterall) ;)
well, if u don't like english complements then tell us what you'd like to be called in the credits... we'll put in just about anything :lol:

Hm what about just my long name and surname? :D One can never be too vain according to my book :mischief:

Hm what about just my long name and surname? :D One can never be too vain according to my book :mischief:
and that would be...

Double post mistake...


Btw perhaps i shouldnt participate so much in this thread , i am not really contributing anything else anymore ;)

The post i wanted to write: (as for my name and surname): It is in the readme.txt of the chinesecities.zip, i can tell that you didnt read it ;)

i normally dont read readmes

you and the rest of the world, I haven't been here or played Civ for that matter since June.... all rather odd. However, with the apathy that always seems to set in after Christmas I've decided to give it a go. I remember Sarevok's Three Kingdoms and I loved them, downloaded every single one and played them all... Wonderful that it's going through a makeover right as I returned

Btw perhaps i shouldnt participate so much in this thread , i am not really contributing anything else anymore ;)

no, actually we really welcome and appreciate your contribution. you're really helping this proj along and doing a helluva lot more than most {[not naming names]}.

no, actually we really welcome and appreciate your contribution. you're really helping this proj along and doing a helluva lot more than most {[not naming names]}.

Bumping this cos its slipped away to the bottom of the second page.

I just think i should reply to citizen there. I think that is a rather rude thing to say about contributions to the project.
With control largely in the hands of 3 ppl there isnt much anyone can do except make posts in this thread as best they can.

Slagging people off (and dont think i know that you probably mean me) for what you think is a less than satisfactory contribution isnt at all nice.
Every constructive post is a contribution.

Bumping this cos its slipped away to the bottom of the second page.

I just think i should reply to citizen there. I think that is a rather rude thing to say about contributions to the project.
With control largely in the hands of 3 ppl there isnt much anyone can do except make posts in this thread as best they can.

Slagging people off (and dont think i know that you probably mean me) for what you think is a less than satisfactory contribution isnt at all nice.
Every constructive post is a contribution.
guys don't go of flamin...
calm it

anywho.. third tech should be complete within the week as well as fixes to the second tech tree.

could u guys come up with hero unit stats...
given that the highest attack of regular ground unit is 11 and defence is 8

could u guys come up with hero unit stats...
given that the highest attack of regular ground unit is 11 and defence is 8

Do you mean like stats for the likes of Lu Bu, Guan Yu, Lie Bei, Cao Cao, Zhang He etc?

Do you mean like stats for the likes of Lu Bu, Guan Yu, Lie Bei, Cao Cao, Zhang He etc?
yeah thats what i meant
btw... dl the zip below
i put ideas for the final tech tree as well as governments(titles) in it
i need imput and opinions

bump

angelscotboi, citizen001

i need imput!!!
pls dl the link above

Jeez I cant believe im the only one who has had a look at that.

As for "Special" Units of the Heros and their stats. Well what is the most advanced unit int he scenario you have so far? And what is ITS Stats?

And the tech.xls I cant open for some reason.
Yes I have Excel the latest version.
I dont know why but it causes my computer to crash - so i cant tell you anything on it.

But I can give you preliminary ideas on Governments...
In the Three Kingdoms Period there - I think - should be "governments" based upon the Han Imperial Court, the 3 Kingdoms Imperial Courts, a Prefectural Court, and a Governors Court.
Something like "Han Imperial Government" for the Han in earlier scenarios which should be a weak form of Government perhaps an RTK equivalent of a Despotism? It should have VERY VERY high corruption.
And something like "Sanguo Imperial Government" for the 3 Kingdoms which should be a strong Government perhaps the RTK equivalent of Democracy? Low corruption great income from internal commerce but perhaps less income from trade if possible...
For the earlier scenarios for players who are not the Han there should perhaps be 3 Governments. A "Prefecture"/"Protectorate" government for Lords such as Kong Rong, Ding Yuan, and Yuan Shao, Yuan Shu, Cao Cao, Sun Jian, and Liu Bei in earlier scenarios. They should have medium to high corruption (having to pay tribute to the Han which is then wasted by the Eunuchs), and perhaps lower food/industrial goods produced? Like an RTK equivalent of Monarchy...
Also a "Governorship" type government which is like an RTK equivalent of Communism. Its for early scenarios for players who were historically Governors of Provinces such as Han Fu, Kong Zhuo in early years, and Cao Cao, Liu Bei slightly later. Medium corruption because they still pay tribute but greater food/industrial production because of a larger parcel of land that they Govern.
Finally a government for the Yellow Turbans and Zhang Lu to use - somethinf like a "Fundamentalism" But appropriately named for the RTK period. Perhaps the equivalent of Republic? Great income, food and industrial production, but very high corruption (because they are very decentralised)...

At what stage is the scen currently? Are cities placed etc? :scan:

At what stage is the scen currently? Are cities placed etc? :scan:
map is fixed, cities and major roads are in, tech tree is half way there, units and govs are being worked out.

And the tech.xls I cant open for some reason.
Yes I have Excel the latest version.
damn...
look, ive got gov stats in the excel file...
instead of govs, its titles... like what the leader claims to be...
from governor to emporer.
governor is weak, like despotism.
district inspector is good for civil side of things.
general is the best for war, as all units a re free, but huge penalties in other departments.
prime minister is just a better government, averge to better in most things.
emporer is the very best government, with good everything, though less unit support ect.

As for "Special" Units of the Heros and their stats. Well what is the most advanced unit int he scenario you have so far? And what is ITS Stats?

the best offence is 12 or 13
the best defence is around 9
the best speed is 3 or 4

hmm... the link works for me...
oh well... screenshots
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/scn.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/scn2.jpg

oops...
just noticed... copper coins - diplomatic finess arrow should be reversed

@hIdDeN_eViL tech tree/ govts are fine. just one question, what's rate cap in the governments table?

Angelboy thinks everything i say is insulting or flaming. :lol: besides the 'constructive' posts what has he really done?

cap rate is research cap

AND TO BOTH CITIZEN001 and ANGELSCOTBOI... :mad:
QUIT IT!!!!! BOTH OF YOU :mad:
it is really annoying... just drop it :mad:
post if u have constructive ideas

not to have a go at each other

thats what PMs are for :lol:

thats what PMs are for :lol:

too true! :lol:

thanks for the idea!

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Angelboy thinks everything i say is insulting or flaming. :lol: besides the 'constructive' posts what has he really done?

That is why I think that you are flaming me. Because you ARE!

I am withdrawing my contributions. They may not have been much but I was TRYING to help and being attacked by citizen001 every time i posted.

You need to learn some manners citizen001 - how to properly speak to people because you are insulting ignorant rude little boy who needs to grow up some.

Goodbye.

Hello
I have volenteered to do the leaderheads for this game
here is a some of my previous work

Very nice :goodjob: :D

Hello
I have volenteered to do the leaderheads for this game
here is a some of my previous work
hows it going...
u got some nice lh's but new ones would be much appreciated...
thanks!!

Goodbye.
cya... :(
thanks, feel free to contribute if u still want to

citizen001... :mad: :mad:

hahaha ^ ^;;;;
those are like my portolio
I only make animated leaderheads
Im working on Liu Bei
i should have a preview in maybe 30 or 20 secounds

here is a preview
Im going to change the eyebrows I think
but if there is no other objections thats Lui Bei


note:Im working with very little props if you have any poser asian clothing please donate

goatee thing needs to be longer, and moustache needes to be thinner at the end, with a tiny bit of curling (as in not completely stiff straight)

maybe the eyes can be slightly thinner. just slightly.


nice work though,
sori, i dont have any azn props
and sori if i sound picky.. if any of this isn't possible, dont worry about it

btw, the pics in post#12 of cao cao... big understatement.
cao cao's face is slightly rounder, and the guys obviously overweight.

so the same as the pics, but a more round face

oh and i'll try to find better backgrounds, but if not, just use the flags

Instead of Kao-Kao you could make a Tao-Tao (the coalha, spelled that way?) lh :D I vaguely remember that cartoon :)

how about this?

Hello
I have volenteered to do the leaderheads for this game
here is a some of my previous work

Is the second leaderhead in the first row a Korean leaderhead? It kind of looks like King Sejong. :)

Nice Liu Bei leaderhead, by the way. :goodjob:

well I based him off King Sejong but he is King Gwanggaeto. Its for my Invasion of Korea:Romance of the three Scenarios mod.

here is Sun Quan, do you think he looks too similar to Liu Bei?

liu bei is just perfect!!
thanks heaps

here is Sun Quan, do you think he looks too similar to Liu Bei?
a bit more facial hair...
and if possible; sharper, moresuspicious eyes...

he looks to cheerful :crazyeye: :lol:

they have no emotions now ^ ^;;
I will do that when im animating

ok... needs a bit more facial hair

thanks

ur working pretty fast

as for backgrounds... the background for cao cao can be a smaller version of the forbidden palace splash. he is in control of the capital most of the time

here is cao cao

cao cao needs modifying.

his face needs to be rounder, and beard is shorter, more stubs than bushy

and for the background, could u use the forbidden palace splash

liubei and sunquan are fine though

http://www.3kingdoms.net/galleryaf/CaoCao06.jpg
he has a long beard in this photo
but your the boss, tomorrow I will give the wu guy the longer beard and smaller eyes
and make the wei guy' s face rounder and cut off most of his beard

tell me the backrounds for each leader

This is a very neat idea!!!

I have recently read the old chinese version of the ROTK and I love it!

I am making a yellow turban rebellion scenario for the team if you don't mind.

here is a basic map of the movements of the yellow turban rebellion
http://www.unitedcn.com/01ZGZZ/images/01GUDAI/hjqy.jpg

The thread has ready started to come alive :)

I could, perhaps, make a few resources if they are needed. I only hope that this scen will be completed, not like my 31 civ peloponnesian war scen..

:king:

This is a very neat idea!!!

I have recently read the old chinese version of the ROTK and I love it!

I am making a yellow turban rebellion scenario for the team if you don't mind.

do what ever you like :crazyeye:
new senarios are always a good thing :goodjob:

however, if you are basing your senario on sarevok's works, you may need his permission.

The thread has ready started to come alive :)

I could, perhaps, make a few resources if they are needed. I only hope that this scen will be completed, not like my 31 civ peloponnesian war scen..

:king:
i dont know varwnos... still looks dead to me :rolleyes:

oh well... as for resources... maybe. i'll try to use what is already there an maybe create some converted resources from RON, if i can bother...
but thanks for the offer.

i haven't figured out what resources to put in though....
stuff like wood and stone are in. horses, iron, jade, wine, silk...

another resource you could have could be people. Like viet, or korean, or mongol, or Hakka (for like mercenaries). ^ ^;; but i dont know well. Im just making graphics. Hidden, tell me what backgrounds you want for each leader

tell me the backrounds for each leader
Liu Bei (http://www.ceciasia.org/photos/Terraces-TV.jpg)
Cao Cao = Forbidden Palace Splash
Sun Quan (http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t000/T000214A.jpg)

crop as you see fit

i hope the pictures are big enough

ok i will probably have the flcs done tomorrow

ok i will probably have the flcs done tomorrow
thanks ShiroKobbure :goodjob:

The thread has ready started to come alive :)

I could, perhaps, make a few resources if they are needed. I only hope that this scen will be completed, not like my 31 civ peloponnesian war scen..

:king:

varwnos, i may need a resouce. called settlement site. i'm playing around with an idea that will allow you to biuld cities only over razed ones or set locations.

i'm going to put tundra under all cities, and make cities only buildable on tundra. but to make it look pretty, i wnat a bonus resource to put on the tundra square that resemble a small camp with a fire in the middle or something.

or it could look like an ancient construction site, with piles of wood and stone...

i dont know... if you can think of better varwnos, then do it
thanks

Very nice idea. Ill see what i can do, although there are already many asian style settlement graphics, by redalert and others

why do you need t build cities? arent the kingdoms alread formed in the romance of the 3 kingdoms?

yeah, but auto razing is a problem and in the senario by sarevok, AI just destroyed all cities, regardless of autoraze

ok cao cao is done, here is a preview but the flcs wont be uploaded until i finish the other 2.

WOW!!!! Amazing work!

nice work Shiro!

get ready for Sun Quan
just one more to do then I will load the flcs

thanks. Looking good!!

sorry I havent finished the other guy I have been busy, but it should be done by thrusday. So i will upload all 3 by Sat
oh and if anyones interested Im having a leaderhead request thread here http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2478276#post2478276

I am not being strict here. But according to the book, Sun Quan has green eyes and purple sideburns (maybe hair, too)

however ^ ^;; how many chinese people have you met with those features?

and Liu Bei makes 3. Sorry this took so long. For some reason his eyes were the hardest to work with. He looks a little like he has one lazy eye, but its better than one frame flag animation I think ^ ^;;/ so i will try to upload these today but im not sure when i will get a PM back.

kool, could u pls upload asap...
and thanks heaps for this.

wow!!!! i'm stunned these look amazing!!! and you make them so fast as well!!!!! :goodjob:

very cool lh! However i have made an alternative lh, pm me if you want to use mine instead




:lol:

im uploading them now, i just need to wait to get a pm back to the address of the zip files

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2480552#post2480552
there you go

thanks ShiroKobbure, but i think we'll be using varwnos' leaderhead instead :lol:
nah... kidding

really... great work. Thanks heaps. :goodjob:

just an update:

tech tree is complete (except arrows in one of the eras)
governments have been done

I made this is a village resource graphic. I think it looks quite good :) It is something like an ancient temple.

i also have to say i am dissapointed- almost shocked- that you wont use my lh..

that resource is pretty good, but doesn't look asian. loods very greco-roman.
could u make a chinese version. thanks

Hm, well the roof was chinese. Are there no columns in chinese temples?

i would go with a more tower like one like this
http://www.enjoy.ne.jp/~hwp/data/pagoda.jpg
http://www.southshields-sanddancers.co.uk/your_photos/chinese_pagoda.jpg

Ok, but you are starting to be too picky :p

here is something looking a bit like a pagoda

Also perhaps it looks more like a Helepolis :)

ehhh... good enough.
its only decrotive anyways
thanks.

i just found this in the C&C forum. i think it alleviates the AI city razing problem:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=109701

hmmm. i knew about ONC, but didn't know it effects city razing.

i'll do some experiments later.

Random thought....if the civ music files are mp3s, and the mp3s are easily accessible, then wouldn't it be possible to get another mp3 (say, from KOEI's Dynasty Tactics), rename it ancASwhatever.mp3, and have different music?

Just an idea.

I hope you guys get this done. I wanted to do a Romance of the Three Kingdoms Scenario so bad but I am so over extended as it is. I am however including 3 Chinese Civs in one of the 'Start Points' in the Test of Time Mod.

Random thought....if the civ music files are mp3s, and the mp3s are easily accessible, then wouldn't it be possible to get another mp3 (say, from KOEI's Dynasty Tactics), rename it ancASwhatever.mp3, and have different music?

Just an idea.

idea note....
we've though of this already, but not sure if thats legal.

3rd tech tree is complete
preview of Shu's 3rd tech tree (also in post 3)
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/tech3.jpg

I've completed my Qin and Han Dynasties city graphics, if you're still interested. :) Also improved the old Song Dynasty graphics. They're all posted in the Graphics forum.

I've completed my Qin and Han Dynasties city graphics, if you're still interested. :) Also improved the old Song Dynasty graphics. They're all posted in the Graphics forum.
sorry Ogedei. Varwnos reached me first :crazyeye: . i'll be using his city graphics i think.

nice work though :goodjob:

Hm, well if you prefer his graphics i won't object. They are good, although i would have been a bit sadenned if you were running towards them with both hands streched wide, abandoning my own graphics, which, falling from such hands madenned in the pursuit of other ones, my own graphics wouldnt now fail to fall on the hard earth, and there to be shuterred to a thousant bits.

It is your scenario and you can do what you want :) Im mostly a writer, and not so much a civ3 graphics creator ;)

thanks for the option varwnos.
i'll see what my team mate thinks first though.

although i would have been a bit sadenned if you were running towards them with both hands streched wide, abandoning my own graphics, which, falling from such hands madenned in the pursuit of other ones, my own graphics wouldnt now fail to fall on the hard earth, and there to be shuterred to a thousant bits.


btw.. nice piece of writing ^ ;)

There once was a person who went to this club and started to kill people. I FINISHED THE MAP. it looks ok in my opinion, but feel free to slander it if you feel it needs improvement. here's the preview:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/TTK-Finished_Map.JPG

BTW: tech tree looks awesome!


here's the file, don't look at scenario in the editor, it'll spoil it for you. just go into the game and load it up first.

holy sh!@!!!!
nice work.
i hope you didn't add any land bridge, cos i scaped that idea.

the map is complete, with all cities, culture, terrain improvements
just got resources to go


next stop... resources, then improvements

BUMP!!!

actually, there is a point to this post.

i've been putting in wonders and biuldings and now need graphics. if anybody knows where to find anything the least bit ancient chinese, then could u please post a link

thanks

What sort of buildings do you need?

I was bored and made tech icons for the pi tech. pm me is you use them.
I also was going to do a 3 kingdoms scenario... so I'd like to see it done soon.

maybe i should make asian advisers...
^ ^;;

I am currently making the Yellow Turban Rebellion Scenario...

What sort of buildings do you need?
any... absolutely any ancient chinese biuldings...
i'll come up with a list in a week or so, but until then any.

I was bored and made tech icons for the pi tech. pm me is you use them.
I also was going to do a 3 kingdoms scenario... so I'd like to see it done soon
i'm dl the icon now. mite use it. thanx. :)

maybe i should make asian advisers...
cool!! that would be good! :goodjob:

I am currently making the Yellow Turban Rebellion Scenario...
well, ive done the map with all the city locations. would u use it if i uploaded it?

I recently made a new classical Chinese-style city improvement, which was largely ignored. :)

Don't know if this will be any use, but here's the link: Imperial Academy (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=110407)

EDIT: How are these for buildings? These are only three of a series of Imperial age Chinese buildings that I'm currently working on. I've not yet completed all the icon files, but I will have them done by next Friday or so. :)

actually, the provincial Magistrate would make fantastic city graphics. do u thinks u could convert it into single era cities? tell me if u can.

the other graphics looks pretty good too... thanks for all the chinese graphics

btw, shiro, are you going to make asian advisors?

actually, the provincial Magistrate would make fantastic city graphics. do u thinks u could convert it into single era cities? tell me if u can.

I'll get to work on it soon. :)

could u make it all walled (except city level one)... if u could, that would be great

and i will be using ur graphics for improvements. they are fantastic! please keep them coming!

I got some improvement graphics converted from EMPEROR - RISE OF THE MIDDLE KINGDOM By Sierra. The conversion was made by Moonbear of Civclub (a chinese civ site)

Here are some previews:

http://img53.exs.cx/img53/2081/buddhistpagoda6ow.jpghttp://img53.exs.cx/img53/1624/confucianacademy7es.jpghttp://img53.exs.cx/img53/8017/fishingwharf5ti.jpghttp://img53.exs.cx/img53/6387/foodshop7gv.jpghttp://img53.exs.cx/img53/366/stent3eh.jpghttp://img53.exs.cx/img53/806/tradingdock2kw.jpghttp://img53.exs.cx/img53/1606/wall3ty.jpg

Left to right
Buddhist pagoda, Confucian academy, Fishing Wharf, Food Shop, Hunter's Tent, Trading Dock, and Walls

Feel free to contact me for these graphics.

love the graphics, could u give me the links?

argh, Im sorry I had to bail for a bit. I had a bit of a.... school problem to deal with.

ok, im seriously going to try to help get this running. Im tired of sleeping, its time for me to put my Scenario creation hat back on.

So, what do you need done here?

well, ive done the map with all the city locations. would u use it if i uploaded it?

I already started using the map uploaded by Citzen001.. ;)

love the graphics, could u give me the links?

As for the Graphics, since most of the files are in chinese, i will try to translate them tonight and upload them, It will be done no later than Wednesday

yeah Im going to do some advisers
All era soldier yayoi armour, samurai, meiji period soldier, maybe admrial yamamoto for modern
a female not sure what she is going to where maybe a kimono in mideivil and a have a police uniform for modern
and a chinese scholar not sure what he will look like in all periods

I already started using the map uploaded by Citzen001.. ;)

i have change the map alot since then, citizen001 and i went through it carefully and reviewed it. we found and fixed many errors. Here the new version. Map and cities only, and civilisation info...

yeah Im going to do some advisers
All era soldier yayoi armour, samurai, meiji period soldier, maybe admrial yamamoto for modern
a female not sure what she is going to where maybe a kimono in mideivil and a have a police uniform for modern
and a chinese scholar not sure what he will look like in all periods
thanks shirokobbure :goodjob: :crazyeye: :goodjob:
dont mnd the clothing.. if it looks better then the current advisors, i'll use it ;)

Uploading complete, the building graphics can now be downloaded at the link below

http://earthd.mofile.com/2722711711815992/8280420410174004/2/A613FB35B7CE547B657E58FC6E43CD4F/Buildings.zip

thanks :) .
did you dl the new map?

edit the link goes to a chinese site, and my mando is a little sketchy. help me!!! :cry:
edit from what i can tell, it wants me to register, is that right?

Thx, the new map looks much better than the old one, That really saved me a lot of work just connecting the cities

It looks like the site I that have use can only hold the file for 5 hours unless you pay and become a VIP... :(

Gotta find another site to upload... Sorry about that..

i have change the map alot since then, citizen001 and i went through it carefully and reviewed it. we found and fixed many errors. Here the new version. Map and cities only, and civilisation info...
Ill check it out.

The map itself seems pretty good, but I have a few minor questions:

- What is the purpose of the Railroads?
- Where are key strogpoints and fortresses? (Hu Lao, Tong, etc)
- Where is the development of the terrain

Since this is a "clean" slate, I will have to wait before I make comments (and likely, changes) to the actual workings of the scenario. You guys can deal with the map, Ill take care of design.

I broke up the files to two pieces... let's hope this works

advisers:
do you want single era advisers wearing crazy clothing like in dynasty warriors
http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/images/mag/Reviews/Screenshots/0002576,09.jpeg
http://membres.lycos.fr/ps2tips/walldynastywarriors22.jpg

well, I just released Barbarossa 1.2. That hopefully wont kill this thread's chances for interest.

That also means I can devote my time to this now :)

The map itself seems pretty good, but I have a few minor questions:

- What is the purpose of the Railroads?
- Where are key strogpoints and fortresses? (Hu Lao, Tong, etc)
- Where is the development of the terrain

Since this is a "clean" slate, I will have to wait before I make comments (and likely, changes) to the actual workings of the scenario. You guys can deal with the map, Ill take care of design.


about the railroad, they mean faster travel from major cities. ive change the railroad graphics, which u obviously dont have, so it'll look strange.
And the map is a clean version made for mouselmm so it doesn't have alot of stuff, eg game rules and improved terrain.

the roads across rivers dont have any function other than to mark common crossing points. AI will use it as i put victory points on either side of the crossing points.

advisers:
do you want single era advisers wearing crazy clothing like in dynasty warriors
http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/images/mag/Reviews/Screenshots/0002576,09.jpeg
http://membres.lycos.fr/ps2tips/walldynastywarriors22.jpg
crazy clothes look fine :lol:
thanks Shiro

I broke up the files to two pieces... let's hope this works

thanks! dl now :goodjob:

do I need to revive this thread? What is going on?

sorry....................
so much work.
i'll get it up next holidays

sorry....................
so much work.
i'll get it up next holidays
and what is the next holiday for you? Please tell me it isnt the summer...

If it is, give me the materials and ill do it all myself.

mid april, i think

mid april, i think
Ok, I can live with that.

So is this thread just going to sleep until then or what?

Yes unfortunately. Mid april is autumn. everyone is busy with school especially those doing the hsc.

hey citizen001
u seem to have resurfaced for a while,

if you have any spare time, tell me!
but ur probably buried under work... i know i am

It's true unfortunately i am.

i have free periods at school tho.

Im updating the leader heads, can you send me the backgrounds you want me to give them?

BUMP!!!!!!!!

sorriz... for bumping this dead thread and for the lack of progress...

in fact, no progress has ben made since i last posted. the fact is, work has finally caught up with me, as it had earlier for citizen001.

all the files have been passed to TETurhkan. I trust that he will do whatever is best.

whats been completed:
map, cities, improvements, terrain balance
technologies for all ages
some civilisation stuff
leaderhead animations (though ShiroKobbure did all the work for this)

thats all i can remember.


and chances are, this may be my last post here.

farewell CFC.. for a time at least

I am reviving this thread because I just want to let folks know I am working on a three kingdoms senario independently. Progress is slow and I don't have enough to justify a new thread yet, plus I want some feedback... (feedback from the orignal posters of this thread too.... if they are still here :rolleyes: )

I will post some screenshots soon....

That's good to know. :) I'd really like to see a Civ3 Three Kingdoms scenario, especially after having read a bit of "Romance of the Three Kingdoms."

By the way, how about using my "Three Kingdoms Period" city graphics set? It's in the "City Graphics Library" thread. ;)

Screenshot of the Northern Jing region....

Leaderheads and Tech tree. As you can see, there's still a lot of work to be done.....

More maps screenies: ChangAn, LuoYang, etc.... I made my own map, that was a pain in the bottom :sad: I don't know how long it will take me to release an alpha version of this senario... hopefully within this year :mischief:

From the screenies, most of the cities are building Rifleman... that's because I haven't got to the units yet... At my pace, I probably will get to the units in about 4 weeks... :crazyeye:

Originally posted by Ogedei_the_Mad
By the way, how about using my "Three Kingdoms Period" city graphics set? It's in the "City Graphics Library" thread. ;)

I am using the graphics in civ for now, but nothing is set in stone yet, so I just might use your graphics. :)

Hey all,

I am not sure what is going on here, but I am down to do some helping in some way. I am familiar with the ROTK story (too much so in fact) and have tried to make a scenario - it's hard (duh). If this one is done, let me know and please tell me how to install it correctly (I am kind of dumb).

-T

It looks pretty dead ATM.