Speculate on the impact on western European domestic politics as well as the next thirty years of history of:

Marxist goverments comming to power in the US and Germany in 1932.

Speculate also on what the Communist governments would look like.

You are allowed to use any scenario you wish to arrive at the axiom in green.

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It could happen several ways for Germany, the Soviets smash the Poles at the Battle of Warsaw, and continue onward to occupy most of Europe, or through democratic change. Which of these would you prefer?

Well, the KPD was also ascending when the Great depression hit Germany. But in elections the KPD would never have had a chance. They found no coalition partner. Indeed they had a majority with the NSDAP but no one would have coalated with her. Even the SPD, from which she arose after ww1. However democratically the only way was to make Enrst Thälmann to the Reichspräsident. However he was no elected and lost as third one after Hindenburg and Hitler the election of 1932. The democratic parties would have done everything to prevent that. Even a Huge Coalition with Hitler would have been possible to do so.
A Putsch would be the next way for the commies but then it would have been a civil war with all other parties. In these times nearly all parties, even the democratic ones, had private armies out of the Reichswehr. Also the latter was full of conservative officers from the Imperial armies. They would never have accepted a communistical Germany. And the Commies did not have the power to resist the Reichswehr AND the troops from the other parties.
The only realistic way was a Soviet attack on Poland and the baltic states. But then we have to see the military the Soviets had. They were lacking in most and did not have trained soldiers. Also weapons were missing as well as capable commanders since Stalin was just killing many officers. Also Stalin did not have the power to do so. Too many internal quarrels, like with Trotzki. And even if they invaded Poland I don´t think the other powers were accepting that. When this happened the other powers including Germany would have allied against Stalin. That he would not have been able to withstand. He was too cautious to risk a war when he was not sure to win it. And such a war would have been an adventure he wasn´t the man to risk.
A communistical Germany in 1932 is not impossible but very unrealistic. For the US I do not have the infos to speculate.

Adler

American communism would never work, but german communism would thrive ( both judged on the size of the nations and their political thinking)

For a 1932 scenario, we would have to rewrite world history 1917-1932.
Please do so before I can comment.

Communism in the heart of Europe would have been much more likely to succeed in Germany the aftermath of WWI than in the early 30's. (For a while it seemed as it might.)

yes , during the Spartacist Rebellion of Rosa Luxembourg and Karl Liebknecht

America could conceivably have a marxist revolt in 1929, anything could happen that year.

Or the Socialists could be elected. People underestimate their level of support, as Debs got like 2 or 3 % of the vote in the 20s. IF the Dems hadn't gone left...

I have to go with Verbose and Provolution -- a communist Germany was more likely in the aftermath of World War I than at any other time.

Actually, in relation to this, I wonder what Europe would look like if Germany went red, but Russia did not....

Well, if a Marxist Govt got elected in Germany in 1932, I'd say civil war likely between them and the Nazi Party - civil disorder at the very latest, probably ending up with the Nazi's seizing power anyway.

Marxist govt in US? They'd last months before being disbarred/impeached/seduced by the establishment.

So, not much difference really.

People like me have seen plenty elections all over the world that changed nothing at all.

I guess communism could come to power in 1932 with the great depression, possibly a solution to it. Very unlikely tho, the rich would never stand to lose that much money, plus people hated communism then. I agree with cruddyleper that civil war would happen with germany between the communists and the nazi party. If communism won I don't see a ww2 happening.

I just see an earlier and harder Cold War, maybe without nuclear weapons, leading up to a mid 50s WW2 with the Colonial Powers and America facing Germany and Soviet,

For a 1932 scenario, we would have to rewrite world history 1917-1932.
Please do so before I can comment.

Simple, and I can do one better. 1914 - WWI did not happen. The archduke of Yugoslavia (or Croatia or whatever) was never assassinated (the driver didn't take a wrong turn). This stopped Austrio-Hungary from asserting its' authority onto the Balkans, which in turn stopped other nations from mobilizing in a domino effect.

This would mean that:

Austro-Hungary, Prussia, and the Ottomans are still around. The US would still be isolationist. WWII would not have happened. Germany wouldn't have become facist.

It takes a war to make a country nationalist.
It takes a humiliation to make a country ultra-nationalist.

That would never have happened to Germany if WWI didn't happen.

ww1 started in 1914 not 1917, and ww1 would still have happened

From what I've read wwI was going to happen eventuly it was just a matter of when and where and under what circumstances. thier were several times when WWI started earler in 1910,1912, or 1913 over varous issues relating to colonial empires. in addtions we had two verry healvily armed camps and widespread nationalism.
As for the communit takeover of Germeny well it may be far feched but stranger things have happened. I'd imagine aht germany would have become isolationilist and singed a treaty with Russia. then in the late 30's to early 40's we may have seen all of easten europe carved up by the two powers. after that well its anyone's guess.

As for socialists gaining power in the US. All i can say is they may have just usedsed kensian economics - i.e. govement spend its way out of a deprssion by following Sweeden and Denmark's example.