*** Check here first ***

(Joespaniel started it, had to bow out then came back and conquered the Greeks!)
Knight-Dragon on vacation
Toasty ?????
gonzo_for_civ played
donsig played
Golden Bear ???
joespaniel playing
Ohwell having technical problems

Sure, I will join, but since im already in three, dont expect me to be on time. I usually cant post until about 5 AM here, which is like 10 PM or so in America.

More like in your morning I think. Now I am in the office and can't play although I can post. So I'll take the slot behind donsig who's got a late job (?). I can only play when it's nightime here on a regular weekday (about morning US time).
And dun worry bout the time. This game can take as long as it needs to. :)

I think I will post my summary around 10PM US time, have to get some sleep after a good game of Civ yesterday.

If you want Hippo and Skidi to play PM them, but 6 players may be too much.

Sure I'll continue, count me in!

THis is getting really lame...I can't read that damn savegame! :mad: I don't understand...anyways, someone continue that can :(

Sorry Hippo. I zipped it with winzip. I can't post the save file here because it is over 1MB and the limit is half a MB.

Did you try unzipping it with winzip without renaming it? I've found that when I rename files on my games I can't open them and have to use the autosave.

Hey, to zip it good use a compressed folder, thats what I use. Oh by the way, skip me this round, I cant post for a while

It's about time. :) I'll get at it in another 10-12 hours. Whoever wants to play before me, within this timeframe, it's ok so long as you don't play it too close to my self-appointed time. ;) I'll just picked up fr whoever's the last player.

Continuing the game. Otherwise a great pity since we got really good geography. But first a few things ....

- build mines, develop the city tiles that are actually being used by the cities (rather than just building roads everywhere, we can link up our cities since they quite near in fut after doing the above)
- build 2 units for each city, to act as mil police (keeps unrest down)
- build settlers and expand first before building temples, Wonders (the Greeks are coming into our 'claimed' land, we aren't building new cities fast enough; barbs keep appearing, hindering our settlers)
- shldn't spend so much time exploring beyond the Greeks. Contact with other civs may be nice but IMHO those 2 units could have been better served at home as mil police. Or just send one.
- don't build settlers in a city with less than 3 pop. Found settlers finished in our southernmost city but we got only 2 pop ... Have to chg it to legion.

Hightlights : -

900 BC - Barb horsemen attked Antium but lost. We only hv one unit here. Shld hv expanded faster .... The barbs would cont attking thru out my reign. Lazy to narrate it all.

850 BC - Exch polytheism for mapmaking fr the Greeks. Also buy code of laws for 98 gold and philosophy for 60 gold. Exch polytheism with the English for maths and 18 gold. We're now an advanced civ. :)

750 BC - Contact with the Egyptians.

690 BC - Greeks demanded map fr us. Declared war when we declined. Oh **** ....

End

Notes - There's a barb settlement in the north. Watch out for the settler and legion. We also got a big problem with the Greek War ....

I played my turns (did 15). will post a summary in a bit.

Just wanted to get this uploaded in case anyone else is on-line to play now or tonight.

I should be able to finish it by tomorrow noon...i just finished one of my other Civ games, and won by spacerace on warlord, but I'm busy tonight.

Here's my summary - didn't post it sooner because I was reading about the PATCH!:goodjob:

The Greeks had declared war on us and Rome suffered the first casualty when our trans-Greece warrior was killed by one of their warriors. Hmmm... Let's see what the Roman legionaries can do. As Rome builds its legions the Egyptians join Greece in the war against Rome. As the new Roman legions march into Greece in 550 BC our first battle is won and Rome's Golden Age begins. We master the art of horseback riding and look into new ways to improve our commerce. Rome annexes Argo in 450 BC. One legion lost, another now elite.

*****

I also founded one city and sent two settlers forth to make more. Built some mines and a road to our horses. I suggest we build a road linking the incense to our cities. I also think connecting our cities by road should be a high priority. A two unit MP garrison is good and additional luxuries to our cities will also help with :) .

Our territory seems crowded. The only way to get valuable Great Leaders is through fighting. I think fighting early is better than fighting later so I sent forth our legions to fight Greece. Argo was defended by two hoplites. It took three veteran legions to kill them - we lost one legion. We are close to Athens. I think we should capture more Greek cities. I think to do so we need some horses and catapults to compliment our legions.

I refrained from starting any more wonders even though we have two available and both are being worked on by other civs. Perhaps a GL or two will get us a wonder?

Suggestion - try to get the English to fight the Greeks as well (and the Egyptians). I think they're by far the strongest. Otherwise, our enemies may get them to fight us instead ... :(

Good suggestion, Knight, to bad they threatened me...I declared war.

okay short report.

1.) English demands and I will not fall to them, so they declare war!

3.) Pompeii is founded. Dover is Captured, but has many resistors.

9.) Dover is lost to the english

10.) Athens, is captured, Pisae is founded

13.) Pisae is captured by the Greeks. Golden age is over

19.) We have captured Delphi.

Okay, I'm sending two Legions to retake Pisae. Move the rest onto sparta and continue to conquer the greeks!!

War with England? Doesn't surprise me. I figured that if our war machine made headway against Greece we'd go after England anyway.

Glad to hear you took Athens. That ought to put a crimp in the Greek war effort.

Between this game and the GOTM I don't think Greece stands a chance against the Romans.:)

Ohwell - noticed you are on-line now. Care to take your turn?

Sure Ill take my turn:D ! But I cant post today. Tommarow will be a better time.

Ok Ohwell I'll list you as 'playing' in the first post. Look forward to your post tomorrow.

Let's make sure Alexander never declares war on Rome again.:spank:

Great news and good job! :goodjob: This is really great news. Let's roll back the Greeks and kick them back into the jungles! :D
To tell the truth I was expecting a long drawn out war for survival. Things are looking great now. :)

I shall post in about a half an hour or so, but I wont have the patch yet by then.

Your half hour is taking a long time Ohwell...

Originally posted by donsig
Your half hour is taking a long time Ohwell... Now now don't have to be sarcastic. He's probably just lost in a time warp. :lol: Or something came up.
Maybe his comp and/or connection broke down. Seems to remember Ohwell's having problems logging onto the net.

:o I am very sorry, but after I posted last I realized my Civ cd was left at work, hehe, but I can't post this time, so skip me again. I am really sorry for all the trouble.

Please delete!

Got it...we're rollin' :cool:

Mini-Update

I'm tired, homework calls ;) More to follow...(pardon the lame story :(

50AD - Our Mighty Legions march northbound along the river to our once glorious city of Pisae.

70AD - Death to Sparta! Two Magnificent Legions charge through the forests to the gates of Sparta, Greek stronghold! A Hoplite stares us down...

90AD - Warlord Hippo brutally beats insolent governor for attempting to begin production of a Spearmen over a MIGHT LEGIONAIRE :D Other governors take note...and caution. Sparta is charged, but after murderous hours Hippo orders a retreat, with half the assault units gone! A Muscular Legion trots north and cuts off a potential supply route so that no more smart-@$$ Hoplites can spoil our fun.

110AD - Resistance in Delphi ends! (Analysts credit Hippos offer of a free month's worth of satellite TV!) (Little do the peasents know that he also passed a crippling satellite tax only hours earlier! MWAHAHAHA!) Treacherous Greek archers are slain in our bloodstained eastern pastures.

130AD Pisae reclaimed! No resistance put forth by puny Greek militia :p

150AD - "LET US SEND FORTH OUR MIGHTY LEGIONS THAT THEY MIGHT SHEATH THEIR SWORDS INTO THE BEATING HEARTS OF OUR ENEMIES!!!" Bellows Hippo! First, we'll need more of them, and an empire-wide 'Build One Legion, get a second one FREE' policy is instituted. (Sans applicable production taxes! :eek: )

170AD - But first, decides Hippo in a rare moment of thought, let us smoke the peace pipe with our Greek neighbours, and extort the crap out of them while we're at it! Monotheism and The Republic are handed over in exchange for our removal of Macho Legions from their territory. The soldiers march two tiles back...where they join an incoming hoarde. The Backstab is truly an art, reflects Hippo, cackling machivialianly...

:)

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I dub thee 'Hippo the Treacherous'. Can't wait to see what it looks like. Please post the save game!

Reminder: SkidiWili or Knight-Dragon is next - whoever shows up first - just post so we know who is playing!:)

Hippo, it'll be very helpful if you can at least load up your game first before you log off, no?

Anyway, I can't be playing within the next 24 hrs so if anyone wants to jump in front of me, pls do so. That includes you, donsig ;) since you're so eager to fight some Greeks (cos I am at the head of the queue IIRC so can drop downwards this next turn).

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

THE FILE IS MISSING!!!!!! ARGH :(

Sorry guys...if I find it in the next ten, I'll post it, otherwise, replay my turns :(

I think Hippo's 'ten' are up. Guess he couldn't find the file. He said to replay his turns. SkidiWili hasn't posted in quite awhile.

It is now your turn Knight-Dragon! Of course it's now the middle of the night on the other side of the world.

Oyvay...:(

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon


Anyway, I can't be playing within the next 24 hrs so if anyone wants to jump in front of me, pls do so. That includes you, donsig ;)

Donsig...you can go if ya want! :)

I'm at work right now so I can't play.:(

Knight-Dragon posted that message yesterday so he may be available to play. Oh wait, he's probably at work. I can play when I get home tonight (six or seven hours from now...):(

woah, you're working?? are you in New York?? its nearly 6:30pm!!

Yeah, I work till 10 or 11 pm. University library - it stays open till 3am (that's even later than the bars:crazyeyes )

I think we could use another steady player or two here so this game doesn't die out.

I am at 'work' right now. Anyone, pls go ahead with my blessings. :D I'll play in another 10-12 hrs so up till then, you can sneak in your turn ..... :p

Note - I don't know who is it but stop irrigating when we're a despotism. We ain't gonna benefit fr irrigated tiles anyway til we get monarchy. ;) Build mines and roads instead, even on grasslands.

Hightlights of my reign : -

AD 150 Captured Sparta. Greek hoplites are no match for Roman steel. :D Oh, and also Pisae.

AD 260 Linked up Athens to our empire. Barbs attked Pisae but were repulsed. Filthy ppl but we're too busy to deal with them yet.

AD 280 Building the Great Library in Rome. Only 40 turns ......

AD 290 Captured Thermopylae, the Greek capital. And 2 workers.

End

Note - Build barracks in Veii. Didn't notice we are churning out reg legionaires fr that city .... ;)

300 AD: Salamanca built Great Library.

310 AD: Egypt built Great Wall, England built Hanging Gardens.

340-410 AD: Lost 5 legions assaulting Mycanae. Thermopylae lost and recaptured. Legions rebuilt.

420 AD: Sumerians in north finally subdued.

440 AD: Lose one more leagion in large battle of Sparta Forest. One English archer invader still alive. Sparta emptied of defenders to protect workers finishing road to Sparta.

Just call me Quinctilius Varus. I probably also built too many roads and not enough mines.:( We just got monarchy and started on engineering.

Knight-Dragon is up. (BTW - I played 15 turns.)

EDIT: Knight-Dragon played before me, so jc011 is up!

Do you mean I'm up???

I can't play though, I don't have the patch yet, I'm on XP :(

Originally posted by jc011
Do you mean I'm up???

I can't play though, I don't have the patch yet, I'm on XP :( What do you mean? The patch works fine with xp. :confused:

Otherwise, it'll Ohwell's turn.

I'm practising being patient.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by donsig
I'm practising being patient.:rolleyes:

Are you insulting me, donsig? If you are, you had better stop, or I will do something we both will regret, you here me? I am sure you agree;)

Whose turn is it anyway? Is jc011 going to play at all?

If he's not, then it'll be Ohwell's turn.

Are you insulting me, donsig?

No, I'm just sarcastically expressing my impatience to play. While waiting for a turn in one of my succession games I've been trying to play on emperor level. My self-esteem is slowly dwindling because I keep getting my butt kicked and I'm beginning to lose my grip on reality.:crazyeyes

Anyway, jc011 isn't even half way through his 72 hours so I will try yet another emperor level game.:)

skip me...don't have time anyway...lots of work at school

Originally posted by jc011
skip me...don't have time anyway...lots of work at school Ah, but I see you have time to actually post here. :)

Ohwell, let's get the show going and go get the Greeks! :D

A brand new Emperor has arisen to lead Rome, his name is unheard of.

500 AD- For a small fee, we have allowed the English to escape with their lives.

510- The Greeks surrender, giving us all their gold and maps, plus crazy ideals such as Monotheism, where there is one true god, and The republic, which allows the citizens some freedom. Pheh.

- 520- The Greeks, thinking they wee safe again, soon again heard the swords of Rome slashing through their neighbors hearts, the Greeks are to be finished!

- Kill Greece until their last city is gone! Don't let them survive!

Knight-Dragon is up!

War is Good. :D

Will get to it in some hours. :)

"Kill Greece until their last city is gone! Don't let them survive!"

Easier said than done, considering the minute forces you left for me. :rolleyes: But War is Good. :D

Anyway, highlights : -

AD 540 Upgraded a few spearmen.

AD 550 Bought peace with Egypt for 40 gold. We don't need distractions. Chging govt.

AD 610 Chged govt to monarchy.

AD 660 Founded Ravenna. Suggests we found another city to its NW, on the coast, making use of the whale tile.

AD 680 English built Lighthouse. Switched to Art of War in Rome; Cumae now building cathedral. Captured Corinth with loss of one elite legion. Researching theology so in case the English finished the AoW, we can switch to the Sistine Chapel. ;)

End

Up next - donsig!

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
"Kill Greece until their last city is gone! Don't let them survive!"

Easier said than done, considering the minute forces you left for me. :rolleyes: But War is Good. :D


Hey, those hoplites are mean mothers! I lost quite a few liegons on them, a couple of them elite:(

soo, the patch works find with XP?? i thought i didn't work, i guess i try it as soon as possible...

Originally posted by Ohwell
Hey, those hoplites are mean mothers! I lost quite a few liegons on them, a couple of them elite:( Maybe your karma is bad. :) I regrouped our 3 surviving legions in Sparta and waited for the 2 legions on their way to the border. Then the whole force of 5 legions struck out for Corinth. Killed 3 hoplites and took over the Greek city. :D

Hoplites are no match for Roman steel! :D

Hoplites are no match for Roman steel!

I remember when you first said that Knight-Dragon. I took my turn and lost 5 legions against those hoplites!:(

It is my turn again isn't it?

Originally posted by donsig
I remember when you first said that Knight-Dragon. I took my turn and lost 5 legions against those hoplites!:(

It is my turn again isn't it? Yep, it's your turn. You're the organizer and you're asking me? :)

Maybe you've got bad karma too. :D No wonder when my turn comes, the border is exactly the same as I left it. I remember leaving behind at least 9-10 legions (in 2 groups) for you guys to play with.

But is it really that hard to take out those hoplites? I only lost one elite legion taking Corinth. And one or none (maybe 2; can't remember) taking Sparta and Thermoplyae. Hmmm ......

But don't worry, guys. ;) Greece is doomed! :D It's only a matter of time. And the Egyptians and English ain't bothering with our conquest. Keep those legions coming and research knights! :goodjob:

700 AD: Sent an emissary to Elizabeth's court to inquire about buying English ivory. The English want some of our horses so we pass on the ivory. An Egyptian settler and escort is asked to leave our territory and they do.

710-730: Upgraded defensive forces and moved legions towards next objective.

740: Completed access to our 2nd source of incense. Made a deal with Elizabeth: incense for ivory and 40 gold.

750-760: Legions close on Pharsalos are road to Corinth is continued. There's a new English city in our north and an Egyptian one to the south.:(

770: Greek archers repelled near Corinth as our elite legions occupy Pharsalos without loss.

780-790: Roman theologins formulate new theories of religion.

There are three Greek cities left - then we fight either Egypt or England? We need the dye that Greece owns.

Mycanae is where I lost 5 legions in an earlier round. It may be built on a hill so watch out! Catapults may help.

We are currently running a deficit of 2 gold/turn which is hindering the upgrading of our spearmen. If we get a great leader we should consider the forbidden palace...

jc011 is up!

http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/4007/790ad4or.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Let's just finish off the Greeks and then build up our culture to absorb those two (three?) cities in our midst (hopefully). Also to build up our forces along our borders with those two powers. Maybe maintain one force in our desert penisular to watch for sea raiders. ;)

We can of coz continue invading the north after destroying the Greeks but we would only be conquering productionless cities. If our military campaigns go smoothly at all. We got good geography; we shld make full use of it and build up infrastructure. And get our Forbidden Palace online before attempting further expansion.

Just my 2 cents. ;)

I'll take a crack at this one, if no one objects.:D

Maybe we can jump start this thread and have a little fun at the same time.

Who would object? Go ahead and play joespaniel.

Behold! The Forbidden Palace of Corith!

After studying the situation for awhile, I decided to follow your lead.

The Greeks are no more!

All three of their remaining cities are ours, and road to the dye is almost done. Even better, a Great Leader appeared while taking Mycanea. The Forbidden Palace was completed in Corinth in 1 turn!

If we build enough temples and libraries in Corinth and its neighbor towns, the English and Egyptian cities will most likely turn, and become ours. Mwah-hah-hah!

Sun Tzu's is completed in Rome. I started a library - finish it and build a university ASAP!!!

OK. There is some bad news. The English are KILLING us in science. They beat me hands down to Astronomy and built Copernicus', then started JS Bach. We are WAY behind them.

I established an embassy in London, which has Pyramids, Hanging Gardens and Sistine Chapel in addition to a library and a university on the way. Sheesh!

They built Copernicus' in another city entirely, and are building JS Bach in yet another! Damn!

OK. We can still beat them to Economics, so I started researching Banking. LETS GET ADAM SMITH'S FIRST! Then we can go for Gunpowder and start looking toward war with England later.

Remember this, England gets MORE powerful at the end of the middle ages and into the industrial age. Somehow we need an edge. Egypt is pathetic, very weak. They can do little for us.

We could ally with England, its a possibility too. They dont like us much, but dont hate us enough to attack us. At least thats my feeling. So its another option.

We need a goal. Military conquest means tangling with the English superpower someday. If we ally with them, we have an even shot at other options. Either way is a challenge.

This game is very interesting and very unusual. Good luck to whoever is next.

All hail Joe the Conqueror!:king:

It is Ohwell's turn now.:)

Yeah, Im doing pretty good today. Ive wiped out two entire civs in one afternon. :lol:

My turn? Already? Will play sometime before Christmas, last minute shopping is my thing.

A well planned and executed raid to capture and raze the city of London would really put a stop to English domination.

Ofcourse that would be a very dastardly thing to do. Totally barbaric, and reminiscent of the Roman Empire.

Hey! Wait a minute...

;)

hey, can i join in somewhere? (note, can only play sunday through saturday excluding tuesday[party] )

Sword of Leo: It is Ohwell's turn right now after he takes his turn we'll try to fit you in somewhere.:)

Ceaser Hammers has tooken the throne! He tours the empire, and notices many towns don't even have a marketplace! He orders consruction immediatley.

- 960 AD- The Egyptian town of Pithom revolted from Cleopatra, and asked us to let them join us.

- Our trade of ivory has been lost, but it was made with the English, for a high price.

-1010- Our scientists learn about banking, and strive to discover how to create new things.

The Caravel Rome was sent out to search for new lands of gold. Instead, it discovered a wierd pink line, but was unable to get close enough due to a sea storm.

-I dub me Ceaser the Explorer!

Doh!

Sword of Leo: Knight-Dragon is up now but if you can play today (Christmas Eve day) go ahead and take a turn. Knight-Dragon usually plays when it is morning here in the US.

I am on leave fr Christmas til New Yr's Eve, then it's another 1/2 day and then after that, yet another public holiday. :D [dance]

I'll be taking my turn now and will be back in a few hrs (after finishing with surfing these forums). ;)

Highlights : -

1010 Chging govt.

1030 Exchanged territorial maps with the Frenchies. Also exhanged territorial maps and music theory with the English for our banking. Then gotten chivalry fr the Frenchies again for our education and contacts with England and Egypt. Made contact with the Germans.

1060 Chged govt to republic. An Imperial Tour!

1080 Exchanged maps with the Russkies.

1090 Dyes near Heraklius online.

1120 Started on the Bach in Rome but unlikely to finish on time. Had started researching econs so shld chg to Adam Smith's later.

End

Note - Upgraded some spearmen and one lonely horsemen. Sent most of our forces to the English border.

Suggestions - Embassies with Egypt and the new contacts.

Well I finally got around here back from the Reich page ^^.

Can I still sign up or am I too late now?

I'll take my turn now. You're up after me Toasty.

1130 - 1150 AD: Caravel lost near Germany! Embassy established in Thebes. Economics learned, gunpowder researched.

1160-1190: Ivory imports stopped causing riots major cities!

1200: Rioting in Athens and Sparta. Manufacture of gunpowder now possible as more discoveries in chemistry are sought.

1210: Embassies now in Paris, Berlin and Moscow.

1220 - 1260: Roman scientists turn from chemistry to metallurgy.

No wars of conquest, just steady improvements for our cities...

It is now Toasty's turn.

I wasn't sure wether it was 10 or 20 turns, so I did 10.

Prime Minister Toasty ascends to power in the Roman republic on Christmas day of the 1,26oth year AD :D.

1260-Traded 50 gold with the Germans for communiquations with the Iroquois. Upsettingly, they are the only ones with saltpeter, and we have no trade route with them.
Oh well.

1270-Bank completed in Veii, Smith's trading co. started, marketplace in Delphi completed, bank started, and library completed in Knossos. Romans toy with the idea of war with the Egyptians. Workers near Knossos sent to make an irrigation system in Pharsalos. Coventry (construsting Smith's trading co.) to be investigated next turn.

1275-Temple in Herakelia completed. Marketplace started. Government gives in to Antium 'strikes', as citizens demand entertainment/luxuries. Too busy massing on the Egyptian border. Library completed in Corinth, university started. Prime Minister Toasty's palace is expanded :D. Lots of British activity on our border. Has me worried. Maybe put off the Egyptian invasion...
But good news! Coventry's Smith's trading co. won't be completed for 75 years, while it's <50 in Veii. We should get this one.

1285-(don't ask me, I'm just reading the year). Thermopylae citizens appeased. Roman workers sneak near Brighton to steal some fresh water for Pharsalos :lol:. French offer their world map in exchange for ours and banking. The Prime Minister spits on the proposal :D. Turns out the Brits have Navigation. Maybe trade metallurgy next turn for some saltpeter from the Iroquois?

1290-English tell our fresh-water theives to get out :lol:. We move after we get the water. EGAD! An Anglo-Egyptian war! We should declare on the Egyptians or we might lose all hope in beating the Enlgish.

1300-Talk to the English about paying me off for an alliance with the Egyptians, but they won't give ANYTHING. Roman legions by Herakelia head for Egypt.

1305-Legionarys move into Egypt, and Rome is set on a war footing. Knights being produced all over the country. War has not yet been declared. Scratch that; Egyptians tell us to get out or declare war. We declare war. Move against the detatched cities of Bluto and Lisht. Ooo-Ivory...

1310-Legionarys take positions in a hill near Lisht. Only a spearman in the city :D. Heeeellloooo, Ivory and Iron.

1315-Bah! Stupid spearman! Killed 2 veteran Legionarys! Oh well, Lisht taken, remaining Legionary heads for Bluto. British offer us Printing press for 60 gold...aw, we've got 300. We bite. (They're gracious now...hmmm....)

1320-Prime Minister Toasty died last night and the discovery of military tradition was made. More legions head for Bluto. In his last words, he announced the desperate need of saltpeter from the Iroquois for cavalry, and that Egypt should be destroyed.

Well, there ya go. Here's the save, too.

Oh shoot, we have no saltpelter. I hate it when this happens .... :rolleyes:

Well, Knight-Dragon, it can't be worse than the recent trouble I got the Reich in.:o

Sword of Leo or joespaniel - either one of you should go now. Just post to let us know which one is playing.

Maybe I'm just impatient, but can we get joe or sword on this soon? I wanna see how the Egyptian war turns out :tank:. GL!

Im waiting for Sword of Leo. Lets give him a little more time.

I know how it feels to be in a cliff-hanger, Im exited too.

EDIT: A funny thing, we are at war with Egypt in TWO sucession games, and I am at war with Egypt in my SP game.

Cleopatra just doesnt play well with others.:lol:

Hi guys. I'm a bit of a noob to this forum but would like to get involved in a sucession game, and donsig said there was an opening in this game to join in the other thread. Been reading the thread and its great stuff, so i'm also appraised of whats going on and what needs to be done. Give us a shout back if there's a slot open.

Bear.
:)

Originally posted by Golden Bear
Hi guys. I'm a bit of a noob to this forum but would like to get involved in a sucession game, and donsig said there was an opening in this game to join in the other thread. Been reading the thread and its great stuff, so i'm also appraised of whats going on and what needs to be done. Give us a shout back if there's a slot open.

Bear.
:) Us? :confused: :)

I think we're full here. But the decision lies with donsig. Personally I won't mind 7-8 people in a game. ;)

Originally posted by joespaniel
Im waiting for Sword of Leo. Lets give him a little more time.

I know how it feels to be in a cliff-hanger, Im exited too.

EDIT: A funny thing, we are at war with Egypt in TWO sucession games, and I am at war with Egypt in my SP game.

Cleopatra just doesnt play well with others.:lol: And I was just about to fall on Cleopatra like a million ton of bricks! :lol:

Unfortunately, no matter how I tried to continue my game, it'll give me an error and kick me out of Civ 3 ..... :( :mad: Stupid game. :hammer:

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
Us? :confused: :)

I think we're full here. But the decision lies with donsig. Personally I won't mind 7-8 people in a game. ;)

Ahhh. It's just he's posted in Hobbes' thread saying there was a couple of slots open, which is why I asked. If not, no probs.

:)

I put Golden Bear in the rotation after joespaniel. I'm not sure is jc011 is still playing and Swaord of Leo has been silent.

WOW we have a full house, if Jc011 and Sword of Leo were playing we would have 8! Im not suprised it isn't my turn yet anymore.

Nice one guys, i'll try not to mess up ;) . Who's up next?

:goodjob:

If sword of Leo doens't play - Joespaniel, then you, then me.

Ahh right, looks like it'll be tomorrow then, which is better for me coz i'm off down the pub :p .

:beer:

Just a note: Sword of Leo has until 5 pm GMT 12/28 (less than 24 hours). I think he said he can't play after Saturday so I'm considering him a temporary player. If I'm wrong and you're in for the duration Sword, just let us know!

With Sword being a temp and jc011 MIA we have 6 players.

Whats happening with the game guys :confused: . Is Joe supposed to be playing now?

Sword of Leo seems to be a no-show.

I am taking my turn now.

Say good-bye to the nice Egyptians... :hammer:

Good stuff.

:goodjob:

I will try to be finished asap, but might be a little busy today.

If Golden Bear wants to go now, please do.

K, i'm grabbing the game and playing now.

Bearus I, a mythical leader, some say descended from beasts, took over the growing empire of Rome.

1320 Bear surveys his territory and immediately stamps his authority be telling Elizabeth to remove her puny archers from our borders.

1325 A caravel is prepared to sail for Egyptian heartlands.

1330 Our troops advance on Buto, the only isolated Egyptian city left.

1335 Our caravel finally sets off on the long journey to Egypt caryying 3 legionaires.

1340 Buto falls without the loss of any troops, giving us more supplies of both iron and ivory (need connecting) :goodjob: . On the downside, Bear is outraged to learn of empire wide rebellion over a lack of entertainment in the old Greek parts of the empire. He grudgingly gives in, but vows to clamp down on the trecherous swines eventually.

1345 Our caravel inches onwards, with more under construction at home. Magnetism, enabling more advances sea-faring, is started to be researched.

1350 Our caravel runs into stray Barbarian galleys.

1355 Caravel emerges without a scratch, now a veteran. Knights build up ready to be moved to the front line.

1360 England makes gains into Egypt, taking the prosperous Alexandria (had no less than 4 incense in its borders! :( ). However, a world map and navigation are obtained off Germany for world map, banking and 35 gold.

1365 England signs peae treaty with Egypt. Bearus I dies in mysterious circumstances while frolicing with his various concubines ;) .

Well, that's it. I only played about 10 turns, and it was more about preperation rather than actual conflict. Our caravel is nearly at Egyptian territory, and two more are awaiting to be loaded with knights to join it. Bach's Cathedral was completed by Germany :mad: , so its been switched to Magellan's Voyage.

And here's the file:

Just noticed, but ignore the fact that it says Caeser...1320AD - it's still the right game, I just overwrote the old save.

:)

Sorry guys, that I took so long. I honestly forgot!

With all the hoop-la about the German game, I got side-tracked.:D

I am playing now.

I'd like to have my turn skipped this round until further notice...my internet has crashed and I've succumbed to NetZero.
(As of 1/6/02: Cable is finally back. Scratch that.)

Good luck! May the Egyptians be trampled beneath our Legionaries' feet!

Joe: 2 games since net went down...both of them wars with Egyptians (they got partitioned :goodjob: ). I guess Cleopatra needs to learn how to get along, eh?

I am playing tonight (finally!) and will post my summary in a few hours.

WOW! It has been ages since I played this game, but I forgot anyway, just like you did, Joe:rolleyes: j/k:D

I bet I will be very suprised to see what happened, I bet we have infantry by now! Last time I played we had some caravels and pikemen.

Joe, hurry up! *Grumbles*

If you weren't so darn good at war we woulda skipped you by now, so hurry up! :rolleyes:

Hey, I was just reading through this thread and was wondering if there were any more openings. Saw a post on the German thread so that's why I'm asking. If not, any referals to another game would be great. Im in the US in AZ. GMT - 7 time zone so it's 10:30 here. Let me know by tomorrow:)

There is room for you Gonzo but I think we're giving joe another day or so. When he plays or passes I'll put you in the rotation.:)

Thank you for the compliment, Toasty. <bows>

Im also good at domestic improvement too, and Im confounded with the state of ours.

Our workers efforts are ENTIRELY wasted. Rome has unimproved squares, and workers are chopping trees on tundra elsewhere.

:confused:

New luxuries are unconnected, yet workers are again chopping trees at a size 3 city (forgot the name).

:confused:

We are building universities in cities with a whopping 10 points of science and no marketplaces. Rome has no bank or university.

:confused:

On the brighter side, we can probably get by without saltpeter. We are close to nationalism, and riflemen dont need it.

I switched around the citizen workers in almost every city, many potential shields were unused. Veii is already size 12, it needs some mines not more irrigation.

The war with Egypt should be ended. Their territory is so far away, and has no luxuries or resources we need. Its a pointless conflict, we have nothing to gain. We should be fighting England, except they would kick our @$$ good.

I cant even talk to Cleo yet. The Egyptians will not acknowledge our envoys.

I am currently about to attack their cities and raze them for the workers. Hopefully to get a peace treaty too.

The opportunity to flip the English cities around Heraclea has been lost. No one built a library, and the English cities have more culture than ours now. The English may flip ours, and take our dye!

I dont see any long term strategy here, are we trying for a military win? If so, we have to tech up big-time, and get tanks and planes. We have knights and catapults for offense against musketeers and cavalry right now. Not good odds.

I suggest this:

We end all offensive operations and build wonders and improvements only.

Cities with low trade can produce workers and wealth, after markets and such. Universities are expensive, and should be built in cities with 12+ science beakers.

When we get Theory of Gravity we build Newtons in Rome.

With Smith's we have free markets, banks and harbors (airports later). Then we can increase science.

Once we have tanks, planes, infantry and artillery we attack England and take over the continent. <---my favorite part ;)

Til then, lets fly under the radar. Discretion is the better part of valor. Then later we will kick some serious @$$!!! :D

This post is not meant to be condescending to anyone. My sole objective is to restore some order and direction. Strategy is the name of the game.

I am completely open to debate on all points.

Any comments?

If the Egyptians have saltpeter, then I think we really need them. Without saltpeter we can't get our navy up for another 40-60 turns, and won't have any influence on the Eastern continent.
The Egyptians would be an easy kill, I'm be willing to bet the English can be pulled over to our side to kill the Egyptians.

If we had Egypt then we wouldn't need to fly low.

Long-term, maybe an economic powerhouse strategy? Smith's sure will help with that, and we could just buy tech. Egyptian cities sure are purty...

Anyways, good luck joe, but I'd rather partition Egypt than just lay low and hope no one attacks us.

Glad to have you back joe!

You make many good points but it's been so long since I've seen this game... I don't think we ever had a long term goal in this game. Last thing I remember is fighting Greece!

Making peace sounds good esp. if we are a republic. Getting England to help us kill Cleo may mean that England gets most of Egypt (I learned that lesson in the German game). If we're behind in science will be in deep later on so peace may well be the way to go now.

In any event you're at the helm now joe so do what you think is best.

Personally, I think whatever Joe decides, whether it be war or peace, should be carried out for at least the next 40 turns or so. We would rather end up playing 1 style together than 5 styles apart. But, I really do not wan't to come across as being pushy, because i usually am not. All decisions anyone makes will be supported by me:)

P.S. Im not trying to suppress any opinions or enforce Joe's decision as law, I'm just offering my opinion. Keep up the good work everyone.:)

Roman legions, knights and catapults poured into Egypt from the sea. The city of Giza fell to our mighty soldiers, then Heliopolis.

An Egyptian counter-attack by knights was beaten back, but at high-cost.

The Romans now marched on Thebes, nothing left in their way.

Once we arrived, we discovered a new source of saltpeter in the hills next to the Egyptian capitol. Thebes was guarded by musketmen! Our knights went into battle with great bravery and tenacity, but were no match for these gunpowder weapons.

A stalemate ensued. We bombarded their capitol with our lone catapult to no effect. Our elite legions and knights could only stand and watch. Something had to give.

It did. England declared war on Egypt! Hordes of cavalry began sweeping all Egyptian cities from the map! The speed with which the English conquered the rest of Egypt was astounding.

Our worst fear came to pass, English cavalry took Thebes as we stood and watched helpless! They took the saltpeter before we could get our new riflemen to Egypt!

Bastard English! Rome exists only due to the fact that England lets us. They are VERY powerful now. They beat us to Adam Smith's too!!! We built Magelan's Voyage instead.

Sensing our luck could run out with Egypt driven from the continent, Rome has entered into a Right of Passage treaty with England and hopes to remain in their good graces, until the day when armies much more powerful than mere cavalry are ours to command. Then England will pay!

Our domestic situation is turning around nicely! More workers were "hired". We have MANY more markets and banks, temples, libraries and universities, roads, mines and a new luxury, ivory. We are running a modest surplus, in hopes of aquiring 1000 gold to sit on and draw interest.

Rome is nearing completion of Newton's University, and should build another university IMMEADIATELY after. Wall Street is also near completion.

The new Prime Minister of the Roman Republic has options.

- Egypt has cities on an island. One of those cities has saltpeter. There are troops massed at Heliopolis with ships nearby. Do the math.

- Peace could be made with Egypt. Rome could get by without saltpeter, but would have to face the possibility of English cavalry coming into our lands and destroying us someday. We would exist at their mercy.

- Railroad will be available in one year, due to the invention of steam power and the discovery of coal in our jungles. A road is almost finished on the coal. A rail line from Rome to the English frontier would be of IMMENSE strategic value. *hint*

- Technology should be a NUMBER #1 priority! Lets reasearch electricity and scientific method next and build the ToE. Then bee-line for motorized transport.

We are almost ahead of England, they have democracy (bah!) and free artistry (ooh, so you have actors, were REAL impressed...). Everyone is building Shakespears except Rome, but we have steam power to ourselves for now. Industrialization is coming.

I wish you good luck, I sure didnt have any. :lol:

Will download and play tomarrow:D

I did my best. I really tried hard.

England beat me to every turn.

I hate them. So much.

Suggestions and tips:

-I would deffinately NOT give anyone our tech at this point. We (finaly!) are ahead in some things. Make them earn it.

-The 1000 gold cap: Lets establish a treasury of 1000 gold and not spend into that. We draw 50 gold interest every turn with Wall Street. Then we can increase science a point. Everything above 1000 gold is fair game though.

Some of you are familiar with that strategy already. ;)

-Use it or lose it: We are a republic, and a damn fine one too. If a city has more than two defenders, disband extras in a city that is building something usefull. Each unit costs gold. Cities that are advanced can build riflemen for fledgling ones.

Border cities and capitols should be beefed up, ofcourse.

-Workers and wealth: Cities that dont have alot of trade dont need to build markets and such. Build workers or wealth. Every little bit helps in this game.

- The government question: I am very disapointed with communism in Civ3. I would almost prefer going to a Monarchy in wartime than communism. The war-weariness from our current conflict is nothing, so the republic stands.

In our German game, we had to switch out of republic due to MASSIVE civil disorder from war-weariness. Communism almost crippled us in science. Corruption is SHARED with ALL cities, thus ruining the good cities.

Not anything to worry about now, but down the road it may come up. If it does, I vote Monarchy over Communism, to spare the core cities from so much corruption.

I tried this in my SP game, and it worked pretty good.:goodjob:

Have fun!

Just to let everyone know. I will not be here until 8:30 AZ time. It is about 11:10 here now. If my turn comes up, go ahead of me until I get here and then I'll just take 10-15 turns of the current game(at that time) granted that no one is playing it then.
Thanks.

I agree with joe. If we can't get our saltpeter, we can buy and trade our way through the game...only problem is, we might look like a target for the English, so I would suggest increasing production alongside the economy. It would help to be able to pump out infantry and, eventually, tanks faster than the English.

On another note, DAMNIT!! Maybe we can get the English to give us some saltpeter before they decide to kill us...

Good job all the same, joe. If we can get those islands we might be able to match the English sometime...

Sounds like another big effort from joe. Thanks!

Ohwell is up and I put gonzo_for_civ on deck with Knight-Dragon to follow up. Sound good to everyone?

Sure, sounds good to me:D . I assume we are at peace with England, correct? Good, if we weren't I would abdicate:crazyeyes . So our goals are to make a run for tanks, build a trans- continental RR, keep gold above 1000, and get those egyptian Isles! Great! What I do best is expanding and perfecting cities, gathering rescources, expansion wars, but NEVER wars such as us vs England. The war we will have with them will be our true challenge.

- Are we automatticley going for conquest or domination? I suggest not. Space race seems like our best chance, but we will still have to 'annex' England because they would win without a fight at space race.

I will play either tomarrow or today.

Tis the middle of the century. Admiral Hammers, upon being elected to the Roman Republic, decides to make bold and unprecedented changes in Rome, and to bring Rome into the next century as a Great Power!

- 1510- The invasion fleet at Heliopolis headed out, it is directed to El- Amarna. However a victory there, an Egyptian Caravel sunk one of our Galleons, luckily unloaded.

- 1530- El- Amarna captured with three Knight groups, and one catapult unit:) . Caaualties of Rome- Zero. Casualties of Egypt- 2 :D

- 1535- The English have landed on the isle of El- Amarna! They plan to get Edfu before us!

- 1540- Luckily, our Knights captured Edfu, and the Egyptians are no more. Upon getting Edfu, we recieved saltpeter, and we are building a harbor to transport the goods to the homeland. England called up a meeting to cancel the Right of Passage, and seemed annoyed. When we offered her 4 g/turn, she quickly agreed:D

1550- Rome build a great university, in honor of Sir Isaac Newton. Also built was Wall Street. Germany called us up, demanding wines. We told them to go stuff themselves, and they wimpered away:lol: .

1555- Riflemen rearmed from pikemen to guard border cities.

1580- Electricity discovered, Replaceable parts is our goal.

Accomplishments in short:
- I established a MAJOR railroad beginning, sure it isn't good yet, but it takes a long time.

- Cavalry being trained and sent to border cities.

- 1000 gold not reached, but still getting extra gold from wallstreet.
- Many new riflemen trained, also many pikemen upgraded.

- Admiral Hammers achieved his goal of modernizing Rome by the turn of the century, and died a quick, but happy death.

- Good Luck Ceaser!

Good work Ohwell!!!

You conquered Egypt! And before England too!!!

*whew* Im glad you kept the peace with England.

I hate to admit it, but they are the only civ that scares me. They could hurt us real bad if they wanted to.

If a university (improvement, not wonder) is built in Rome now, it should start chugging out some serious science beakers. Woo-hoo!

Things are looking good for the Romans now.:D

*****Damn good job! *****

Thank you for the complement! The Egyptians are dead! If only they were as puny in the German game:( .
England has us in an awkward position, they can manipulate us to their whims. We are going to have to comply with their rules for a while. I already had to give them 4 gold a turn to keep the ROP, which keeps them from attacking us. It is a good thing they aren't militaristic, we would be dead. They aren't showing any agression, I havent seen any troop movement near us, only workers.

To whom is up next, or after him, or after him, or him- Build a line of forts on the borders to England. Better now then never.

Infantry and artillery coming!
:D

Great job, Ohwell! Now we can start standing up to England!

If we want to build up our military and if our land is fertile enough, we COULD switch to Monarchy and pump out conscript infantries to have a "Big Stick" until we get tanks. Infantry are great cannon fodder weapons pre-tanks and if you have enough you can win against a far superior enemy (coincidentially, I just did that as the Romans vs. the Russians :D).

It seems we can beat these English if we keep moving towards tanks and infantry. The English must go! Anyone care to translate that into Latin? :D

At any rate, great weark Ohwell! I still think we can push for military superiority if we manage to beat the English...they are darn scary right now...

Im downloading now. I will try to keep the peace mainly, but also build up a military deterrent. I will also focus on science and the railroads. Thanks for the advice! I will only be playing 10 turns, since that seems to be a happy medium :)

Well, I have to cut it short because I have to go to my office at work since a pipe bursted and it is now completely flooded.:mad: :mad:

Even worse is the 3 turns I got to play. Here is a brief summary.

1600 AD - pikeman in rome upgraded. I got democracy, 4 gold, 6 per turn, furs, and silks. Then I got free artistry w/map and 6 gold and 37 per turn(746 gold total, 890 overall) for wines.

1605 AD - English declared war with absolutely no provocation. They razed El-armana, Giza, and Heliopolis.:mad:

1610 AD - Captured city west of knossos and razed it, of course:crazyeyes Iriquois declare war on us because of MPP:mad:

Pager went off, work flooded(no joke). Must leave soon!:mad:

Do not remove me from this game please. I really do have to leave, I am not running from my favorite thing(war) but this can be counted as my turn. This is bad, I wish the best to the next ruler. I wan't a piece of the action next time through though. Good luck and have fun. I'll be here for my next turn unless I post otherwise.

Thanks

Here's the file!

:eek: Well, it sucks that your work place flooded.

But it is HORRIBLE that the English declared war!:eek: We are going to die! :eek: After such a good age of prosperity, the English had to declare war:mad: ! I hope it isn't bad, oh man. I really hope the English don't kill us:o .

BTW- I hope the pipe is fixed:)

To whoever is next- Since they England declares war, DRAFT. We absolutley need more riflemen, so get training! Cancel all peace improvements, and build military! We have a chance! I suggest we mobilize if they declare war. Remember- Replaceable parts coming, so when it does, mass produce infantry and artillery!

This is happening too soon... Oh no!

Well, I found out my work just wanted my office key so they could get in. What a waste of a round trip. The door is already doomed so they shouldv'e busted it down. :lol:

We've got a real prob in this game. If we live through this, then we will be in one of two possible positions.

1. We may have abolute military success and raze many cities. We would be the rulers of the world! :)

2. We could barely be able to fight off the English and end up taking many losses before suing for peace. :(

Let's approach this slowly and intelligently. We can win if we just pay careful attention and take this war one turn at a time(with a common goal at all times of course;) ) Maybe, we can just organize a drive to take 5-6 english cities and not raze any of them. By then, they would cry for peace and we would have them held back to help our rebuilding process. This could be done if we changed govts and mobilized in maybe 5-10 turns or so. We must be able to build cavalry, they are crucial!!!!!!!

Let's do some damage:rocket2:

Dont switch governmets now! Oh no! Then we cant produce units during the anarchy!:eek:

Fight a defensive battle in Greece, save Corinth at all costs! Thats our second capitol!

Man, what a sh!t sandwich. I hate England! :mad:

Maybe the Germans and Russians would attack the Iroquois? Lets ask them. Nicely. :lol:

I know this sounds crazy, but if possible, load some ships and sail over to London. Raze the fu@ker! If we can do it, they will undoubtedly sue for peace.

Die, you English bastards!

Originally posted by joespaniel
Die, you English bastards!

I'm an English bastard :( ;) . I think churning out the military and holding them back/frustrating them might be our best option at the moment, hopefully forcing them to sue for peace, enabling us to build up our forces for a more decisive offensive. Course, tanks will help if we get that far :tank: .

Knight-Dragon is up, then it's my turn again!:) It's been awhile since I've played this one. I'm still fighting the Greek Wars - guess I'll have to catch up quick.

Are the English refusing our envoy? Sounds as though we should make peace ASAP as long as we don't have to give up any cities in the deal.

Only played 5 turns. Highlights : -

1615
Rushed production of riflemen in Edfu. Hoped our cavalry will hold until the next turn.....

Captured 2 Eng workers along the border.

Drafted citizens in Sparta, Thermoplyae, Veii and Cumae.

1620
Distant Edfu was captured and razed!

An Eng cavalry recaptured one of their workers back and killed our cavalry. Then our cavalry counterattked and killed it. Our knights recaptured the fleeing Eng workers (again).

Allied with the Germans against the Eng; exchanged communism with electricity. We also got all their 101 gold and 74 gold per turn. :D They probably didn't expect us to last long....

1625
The English attked along the border in force! A horde of cavalry attked Herakleia, killing two of our riflemen. But the city held and we did kill 2 Eng cavalry. [dance]

Massive civil unrests erupted everywhere.....

Then we counterattked. Knights killed one cavalry outside Herakleia. So did our cavalry. [dance]

Our ironclad sank a Iroquise galley near Pithom.

Rail fr Rome to the border completed!

We also have inf now. Upgraded some border units.

1630
The Russians and Iroquise signed an MPP!

Upgraded our catapult to artillery in Herakleia.

Destroyed Iroquise caravel near Pithom.

Upped tax. We need more money; not more science. ;) Also going on war mobilization.

1635
France has allied with the Eng against Germany!

Killed 2 cavalry near Herakleia and 1 spear.

1640
The Iroquise landed near Mycenea; all slow units. But we have nothing to hit them with.

Captured Leicester! Killed 2 spear.

Killed one more Eng cavalry outside Pharsalos. The Eng are massing outside the city. Attk is imminent. We don't have rail to this city....

End

Good news is we have 6 rubber tiles within our territory; 4 unconnected. :D

I think we can hold for now, except for Pharsalos maybe; we got inf now and some more factories about ready. Worse comes to worse; we can start conscripting citizens - we got a few cities at full cap anyway. ;)

But in the long run, this is going to be a tough game. :(

Do we have an intelligence agency? We could use it to see how many cavs the English have

Here's my plan: Stay on the defensive until the English are wrecked. Conscript inf, en masse; use them to destroy strategic resources in the British empire (nothing can kill them until tanks). Either once the English are repulsed, or once all our cities are in unrest from the draft, switch to Monarchy IMMEDIATELY! Our empire is small enough to not have a long anarchy period methinks...hope we get tanks before they do, and hope our inf has torn up their infastructure enough for them to fall behind.

At any rate, who's up after KD? I wanna take my shot at those dirty English ^^.

<Phew>

It is going to be alright! I sure am glad I picked replaceable parts, and a am REALY glad I upgraded the border pikemen:) . I think we can hold our own for a while, with our infantry. This happended too soon... I do hope you found the couple of cavalry in, uh, one of the border cities. Thankfully we have rubber
:D . I agree with Joe, we should send a couple of galleons to London and raze the F***er:D . Unless of course they have infantry :(

Yet another suggestion- BUild artillery, and lots of it! 10 or twelve divisions minimum, I have realized their necessity in the German Game;) .

Knight-Dragon- Good luck... Its going to be a cold, bloody war. Even worse than the German game, because we are a just industrialized nation, while England is the leading power.

Our great Roman soldiers have a good morale, they are going to pursue their glory and are serving their nation with greatly inflated nationalism:) . If only their were a nationalistic smiley:( .

I found this cute little song, here it goes:

"Over there, over there,
Send the word, send the word, over there,
That Rome is coming..."

Sure, its an american song, but I thought it was cute:)

I would advise NOT conscripting infantry unless its an emergency.

The civil disorder from war alone will be very severe, conscripting will compound the problem causing unhappiness for 20 turns.

I think London might be too big a bite for us to chew, but from experience, razing one good enemy city is usuualy enough to get them to make peace.

Find an English city we can assault and raze it! Maybe it will end the war. Just dont double-cross our lone ally, Germany.

If we get to Motor Transport, trade it to Germany for whatever they can give us. Germany will roll their panzers into Iroquois and get them off our back.

So its Rome and Germany against the world. Sounds familiar...If we had Japan in this game it would be perfect. :D

Lets call ourselves the Axis powers!:lol:

The war came far too soon. I think that the conscription thing will work if we start losing cities. I don't know our military status, or England's, but from what I've been hearing it seems desperate enough to start conscription.

It's my turn now but I'm at work for another 5 or 6 hours so I'll gladly swap positions with Toasty. It's usually easier for me to play in the mornings anyway.:)

So, go ahead and play Toasty and good luck!

Hehe, lucky me, I had played because I wanted to see how the war would turn out (I kept my mouth shut so that whoever went wouldn't be tipped off).

I got the Germans to declare war on the Iroquois, but that in turn resulted in a Russo-German. Also I got Saltpeter from the French for Iron and Horses, and also an alliance versus the Iroquois. Our saltpeter supply was short-lived as the Iroquois destroyed the French before the deal expired.

The Germans are doing fine but can't do much against Enland. The good thing is, we DIDN'T need their help in any way. The English have absolutely pitiful defense with musketmen, pikemen and spearmen! After I killed about 20 cavs with my infantry, I turned to the offensive and took Ester, Manchester, and one other city. The English decided to revolt and aren't producing anything, and as far as I know we'll be getting the Universal Sufferage.

Speaking of war weariness, the conscription didn't hurt and helped me fend off the cav attacks (god bless you for those railways Ohwell). The thing that would turn around and bite me in the behind was war weariness. I just appeased them all to keep the production edge against England.

I'm pushing up the Western coast of the continent. I'm still having fun so I'm not gonna post the save file...I've played 14 turns so far.

The Infantry are coming.

Sounds good Toasty!:goodjob:

Take your time. I won't be ready to play for another 12 hours.

UPDATE:

In 1710 made peace with the Iroquois, and now we have an MPP with them! Only regrets is I can't attack the English this turn...

Also got saltpeter and some silks from them for gold & dyes. Our economy still owns at 293 per turn ^^.

The Germans don't care at all...I just have to hope they'll make peace so we don't have to war them too =/.

I'm still hoping for domination or conquest.

Another update; after the Russians declared war on, and subsequently attacked the Iroquois now too the Russians are on our side. We also got a GL, Hadiran! I want to save him for theory of evolution as we have Universal Suffrage in the bag now.

Final results of my turn:

The English recaptured Ester, but we had taken Abydos. After a long string of defeats, I signed peace with them. That didn't make the Germans happy, even though we cancelled our alliance a couple turns ago.

The war turned out pretty level. We now have Cambridge, Manchester, and Abydos, retaining all of our cities except the one on the saltpeter island. We are now on VERY good terms with the Russians and the Iroquois and have a definite edge in tech. The intelligect agency was started in Corinth but after we GL rush theory of revolution we might as well build it in Rome.

We didn't crush the English in this war but once we get motorized transportation way before everyone else (all of them are now commies) we can crush the English and take our continent.

Get culture in our new cities, donsig; we'll need it.

I guess last time I only played eight turns or something, cause now I played 19 ^^. Sorry if I overdid it. Watch out for war with the Brits again, we have an MPP with the Iroquois (I didn't expect the English to recover...).

Great work Toasty! The english must be lambs in wolf clothing! I didn't expect for them to crumble so easily... By the way, the wonder rush was a great idea! We will get tanks very good lead!

- I am now certain we have a space race in our grasp!

Aren't you guys glad you got me. On my very first time on this thread I got into a war and then had to ditch out.:crazyeyes

I'm glad to hear that we've recovered a lot. Hopefully we can wipe this English scum from the face of the earth.:nuke:

Maybe we should establish MPP's with all but england and then go to war. THAT COULD BE FUN!!!!!

Spaceship is a definate possibility. Anyways, I'll be looking forward to my next turn :)

Gonzo you let us get 3 new cities and an edge in tech since everyone else switched to communism for the great war :D. We (or at least I am) very glad you got us into that war :lol: .

Great job guys, and I am in agreement that we should forge ahead in science.

Lets build some artillery and infantry now, then when we have armor, we attack England with combined arms formations.

Artillery rules! They dont call it "King of Battle" for nothing.

Glad you guys came onboard! Great effort from everyone! Things have really turned around. This game was looking bleak for awhile, now we look pretty good!

If my turn comes up tonight, skip me and I'll play this weekend.

I am taking my turn in the German SG tonight, and its at a critical juncture for us. We have pushed into the Egyptian heartland, and stand on the brink of total victory, or a horrible defeat.

I'm gritting my teeth!

If you are interested, check out the German Reich thread.

Donsig - Good luck, use all your know-how and get some more science beakers for the Roman Empire!

What's the order at the minute guys? I wanna find out when my next turn is so I can set some time aside.

Golden Bear: The rotation is in the first post of this thread. I've been updating it as turns are taken. Sword of Leo is next but we haven't heard from him lately...

Sword of Leo: If you still want to play let us know!

So, the war is over? I prefer peace anyway. I'll see what I can do to set you all up for the next conflict!

... lasted one round! We were forced to declare war on England due to our MPP with our buddy Hiawatha who lives across the big pond.

Having only a couple cavalry and one artillery I decided to go on the defensive. Also decided not to break our pact with the Iroquois.

Here's the file. I must go to work!:( Will try to post my summary from there.

Golden Bear or Sword of Leo: Either one of you can take your turns now. Just post when you start playing so both of you don't play at the same time!

Well, the Mrs. got called into work and we must ride together so I am still home. Gives me time to write

A Short History of Rome, 1735-1762:

1735 was a year of peace in Rome. Our cities contemplated building hospitals and such for the citizens as our engineers continued work on the Roman Railroad, which was extended to include Leicester.

The peace was short-lived and our citizen's hopes for better medical care were dashed in 1740 as Rome was once again drawn into war because of treay obligations to the Iroquois nation. The Roman people also suffered more hardship as Russian imports of spices and furs ended. Our workers did manage to include Pithom, Manchester and Cambridge to in the Roman Railroad as that project was given top priority due to the renewed war. We lost a longbowman and cavalry division in the opening round of the war as our surplus funds were spent to train our riflemen in the new infantry tactics.

Abydos fell to a massive English cavalry attack in 1745 as even more English cavalry poured across our borders. Troops were rushed to the front and all six divisions of the invading cavalry were destroyed in counter-attacks. Despite these successes massive civil unrest was known in many Roman cities.

The war widened in 1750 as Bismark attacked Hiawatha's forces and we were forced to declared war on Germany as well. There were no casualties as Elizabeth tried to outflank us by sending her cavalry into the jungles bordering Roman territory and England. The Roman navy responded by bombarding both the east and west coasts of England.

Hiawatha and Bismark make peacein 1752 but Germany refuses our envoy! 15 divisions of English cavalry invade in two formations. We rout 6, wound 3 and force one to retreat as we lose one infantry. All available troops called to the front! We hold the high ground and are fortifying our positions. The Roman Railroad is now complete as it reached Pharsalos.

Elizabeth and Catherine make peace in 1754. English cavalry re-enter the jungles and there are small losses on both sides.

Roman scientists earn their keep in 1756 by devising new research methods. Iroquois ships bombard the east coast of England. Six more English cavalry divisions destroyed in the jungles but English ships appear off our coast north of Leicester! Are cities are undefended!

By 1758 our re-training of pikemen is complete and some troops are transferred back towards Rome. The English ship did not carry an invasion force! We have time to re-garrison our cities.

TOE is completed in Antium in 1760 and we learn atomic theory and electronics. We boost our scientific efforts. Infantry recruiting (still on volunteer basis) begins in earnest to garrison our cities. We lose and ironclad to a Man-o-war but our front lines advance.

Universal suffrage is grantedin Rome in 1762 but there is still a bit of rioting on one of our cities. Bismark is still not talking to us.

Gotta go!

Looks good, donsig. I figured that the Iroquois MPP might come back at us...

At any rate, infantry/artillery will work beautifully. The best defenders in the English asernal are only riflemen and I saw more musketmen and pikemen than anything else.

I vote no peace this time. We will either destroy the English or cripple them.

I agree with Toasty - no mercy for the English. I would cancel the MPP after those 20 turns are up. We must be careful though and watch for an amphibious assault. I did sink a man-o-war and galley off our east coast. And that was at a time our non-front-line cities were defended by only Hadrian. There's another man-o-war north of Leicester. Haven't seen any other ships but you never know. We have to finish re-garrisoning our cities as I only started that process.

I made the line of infantry to prevent English cavalry from getting behind the lines and destroying our railroads. It also bought me time to build some artillery. I killed off alot of their cavalry in the jungles and started advancing the line. I figure we can bombard Exeter and Gloucester(?) soon and either occupy those cities or raze them. Abydos and beyond should also fall if we keep up a steady methodical advance.

I think we can prosecute this war as a republic, keep our science rate decent and even build a city improvement here or there.

i concur. This english scum(I speak of the game's english, not the English people that are in the real world) deserves to die. We should keep going until at least 3 cities are offered for peace. When that happens, we get those cities, reinforce, and backstab them again. This will prove to be England's undoing!!!!! P.S. Tonight is busy so I may not get to my turn when it comes around. I want you to skip me if 2 hours pass before I download the game for my turn and I don't notify you guys.

We should be able to topple England or at the very least cripple them. If we can take them, our victory is assured. If not, well, then that day's not our day. But our day will come, and the day will come when the English are no more ^^.

I'd be more than happy to play again :D. I hope my advance proved my somewhat mediocre capabilities as a general :lol:. The English will crumble beneath our infantry because their sience rate is crap under Communism and they'll be getting infantry after we've gotten tanks.

England should be a piece of cake if we use our infantry/artillery strategy en masse. The only thing that could happen should they get infantry soon, but that will only slow it down. The Communists can't stand up to such superior tech :lol:.

Well, whoever is up next, no mercy campaign. Seems pretty much unanimous. The English will be squashed like slugs under the boots of our men :king:.

We absolutely must get rid of the English and take the entire continent for ourselves. Now is our best chance to do so.

Otherwise, the English will forever be a thorn in our side and will continually be a threat when we contemplate a war or got drawn into one with another power. ;)

Ha! I love it! Good one, donsig!

Hadrian's wall indeed!

I will be finished with the German game in the morning. I cant wait to slap around the English! :hammer:

Glad to see the Republic still reigns! I love a strong science rate!

Any strategic goals? Taking over the continent sounds good KD.

Are we going to capture all the English cities and assimilate them? The ones near Corinth will still have decent production due to the Forbidden Palace. London has some good wonders in it. I forgot where the other ones are. I think Hastings has one or two.

Lets all agree on a main strategy, and work together. I will follow the will of the majority.

EDIT: Let me know when I should take my turn, we had to skip Leo last time too, if I remember correctly.

I agree with Joe. We need to pick a strategy and stick to it before wading in and getting slaughtered. Post some thoughts here guys before I play my turns.

:)

I wouldn't mind trying to launch a space ship. Haven't done that yet in any of my games. I wouldn't be oppossed to a UN victory either. If one of these don't work out we can always fall back on killing everyone!;)

My turns had a WWI feel to them with the line of infantry. Only there's not much on the other side of no man's land! Still it's tricky. Things were fine when the line was in our territory: we could move at will instantly due to our railroads while the English cavalry was mired in the jungles. Once we enter England we give that advantage to them.

I think we must have cities covering the entire continent or else the civs on the other continent will begin to colonize it. I'm not sure whether we should keep all the English cities, raze them and build our own or a little of both.

Note: We haven't heard from Sword of Leo so I think we should skip him again.

We cant do the UN diplomacy victory because we have broken too many treaties. We would lose the vote. I myself was guilty of one of those treaty violations. If we become so powerfull that no one would dare vote against us, then maybe we could go for it.

Spaceship is OK, but a long, long way off.

Lets take over the continent, and see what happens.

Golden Bear, lets kick up some serious science beakers and get tanks! Woo-hoo!

donsig, a battle group of infantry, artillery and cavalry could be formed to go north of the static infantry and start capturing cities. Then "Hadrian's Wall" can slowly move up into new territory. We'll need some extra infantry to put in the captured cities.

We'll probably capture some workers too, which is always nice.

Lets kick some English @$$!

Bear, you better take your turn or I'll be the one commanding the Hadrian line :D.

I really want to see how this turns out, being my first succession game. Hurry up, wontcha?

Toasty, it's Hadrian's Wall , not line. ;)

And I'm up after Golden Bear, not you.:p Youre turning into another donsig. :lol:

It's OK, I'm just making a joke. I am exited too. Glad we kept this game going after all, its turned out pretty cool.

Some usefull information:

I went back and re-read the whole thread (both actually), and it jarred my memory a little too.

*London has the Pyramids, Hanging Gardens and the Sistine Chapel. A good reason to capture it someday.

*Nottingham has Adam Smith's, and deffinately should be captured!

They have the Lighthouse somewhere too, but its expired anyway so who cares.

If we are to conquer all of England, and keep most of the cities, fine. But dont raze Nottingham or London, by any means!

Bah, I perfer line, it sounds more military-like :D.

And I'll play when I'm darn ready too, I'm getting impatient here!

I just now noticed Russia is killing Germany. Looks like we're gonna have a 3-power set up (us, Iroquois, and Russia). Cool!

OK, i'm downloading and playing you impatient sods :D . It'll probably not be many turns at this stage so expect an update soon.

OK here it is. I didn't play a full 20 turns. I think progress was made, since I discovered a weak point in their defences and exploited it. Here's a summary with the main points.

1. Discovered we had 3 ironclads in the west ocean achieving little, so sent them to bombard Richmond. The more I thought about this, the better it seemed. Though small, it could become an excellent staging post for naval invasions of the English mainland, bypassing their tons of cavalry near Hadrians wall and splitting their forces. And so it proved. I shipped some infantry, 1 cavalry and artillery over via a galleon, and combined with the ironclads it fell with ease. Temple rush built to ensure no unhappiness.

2. Heraklia on the mainland was only a size 1 city, and it looked vulnerable. So it became the next leg in my naval invasion :goodjob: . The ironclads softened it up, and another small force landed and took it with ease (musketmen were no match for our infantry :p ). We now have a foothold into the heart of their territory :) .

Some Points:

* The infantry for the naval invasion was taken from the line around the area of Manchester. The bloody AI realised this and attacked, and even broke it at one point. No matter, they were soon dispersed, and more men have been rushed to the front to begin to plug the hole. If they try it again they aint going anywhere.
* Temples were rush built in both Richmond and Heraklia, so our treasury is running a bit low (bout 500). We're running an ok profit so it doesn't really matter that much.
* Civil disorder is becoming a real pain in the ass, with everyone and the grandmother wanting to give peace a chance. I contemplated going for communism but left the choice up to the next player.
* Iroquois declared war on Russia, and we got drawn in coz of our MPP. Little has happened so far.
* No more saltpeter from Iroquois. It means no more cavalry, but I figure we should hold out with infantry until tanks and then who needs cavalry :D .
* I think the Manchester area is the AI's pet. All their forces are going for that spot on our west flank, so make sure any reinforcements head that direction.
* In general, they suffered heavy losses in my turns. Use the ironclads in the west to bombard more cities with a view to perhaps creating more civil disorder for England, and also keep up the pressure on Glouceser in the east. I don't think they have any navy at all so this is definitely their weak point.

That's just about the lot.
Bear.

How are we going to combat war weariness? This will be a long war...

The western ironclads had first bombarded the coast north of Manchester to slow the English cavalry down (beginning of the war). After that they bombed the little island city but then the English ship appeared off our coast when I was forming the line and our cities were empty (except for Hadrian). I sent the ironclads chasing the English navy since our line is useless if they land behind it!

joespaniel is up and Ohwell is on dech!

Originally posted by donsig
After that they bombed the little island city but then the English ship appeared off our coast when I was forming the line and our cities were empty (except for Hadrian). I sent the ironclads chasing the English navy since our line is useless if they land behind it!

Yeah, i'm not sure whether there was anything in that galleon, since the ironclads were chasing after it, and the next turn, it came around and stopped right next to one of the ironclads :eek: !!! Was an easy kill, before I circled round nd went after Richmond :goodjob: .

We have such a huge profit margin I think we can up the luxuries a bit to combat the war weariness...we're making around, what, 200 a turn?

Sounds good, GBear. I will try to strengthen our toe-hold and push towards the heart of England. London and Nottingham should be taken and held at all costs! That will give us the Pyramids, Sistine Chapel and Adam Smith's! Woo-hoo!

I will not raze any cities, as we have decided to conquer the entire continent. But size 1 city "accidents" do happen. ;)

I wanted to pass on one lesson learned:

Communism sucks!

It is a terrible government, unless you have researched all the tech you want, and just want to build units and/or spaceships. Then its pretty cool.

I strongly recommend Monarchy until then. It allows the core cities (the ones near the capitols) to continue to produce well, while the outlying ones have all the corruption.

In communism, ALL cities have corruption! It sucks!!! Science grinds to a halt. Shared corruption causes the loss of 33% of the economy. Thats way to much, as compared to a Monarchy losing 15-25%.

Once we have all the techs, and only then, I vote for communism.

In the meantime, I will try to hold onto the Republic until we have tanks. I was thinking along the same lines as Toasty (the impatient), and raising the Lux rate a point. We'll see.

I'll try to get us back above 1000 gold to draw interest. And hey, it was an emergency, so we excuse you, this time, GBear. ;) :lol:

Originally posted by Toasty
Bah, I perfer line, it sounds more military-like :D.

Whatever.

And I'll play when I'm darn ready too, I'm getting impatient here!

I'd expect that from someone who lives in Detroit.:rolleyes: ;) :lol:

I say we release a task force of at lease 20 infantry to take and hold london. After that, the english should want peace and if they don't we'll take some more cities until they want it. We should no longer have MPP with Hiyawatha so we can avoid wars for a few turns. When engish sue for peace, we should demand a hefty amount of reparations per turn s we can turn up some more luxories for the duration of our other wars.

Just my $0.02:D

Hmm, OK, but I thought we were just going to take over the whole continent...

Do we still want to do that?

Actually, I am pretty sure our plan goes as follows:

Capture the English wonder cities
Cripple the England.

Our plan was to cripple them enough so we would be the number one civilization, so we could win a space race game, or a histograph win. But conquering the English would work for that too:D .

But I am in favor of letting the English survive, but only under our complete and utter surveilance. In otherwords, we should only let the survive because we want them to, not because we have to.

Actually, I think Ohwell's idea is the best one so far.

If we just take London and Nottingham for the wonders, and leave them the rest, we dont have to improve 20+ newly captured cities. They wont produce much with so much corruption anyway, theyre too far away from our Palaces.

Culture flipping of such conquests is likely, so adding some Roman population to them would help. Razing nearby cities for breathing space wouldnt hurt either.

I doubt they could ever recover enough to come after us again after losing so much. We would get so far ahead in tech, and wealth, that they would kiss our @$$ for the rest of the game.

Or perish! Mwah-hah-hah!http://community.theunderdogs.org/smiley/armed/behead.gif

I agree Ohwell. It sounds a lot like what I was saying but take nottingham as well. lol joe. :)

p.s. joe, where'd you get that smiley from? its not on my list here.

If we take London (or other English big cities), it'll be very likely it'll flip back to the English, peace or no peace. Cos it has a lot of cultural points for the English I expect. ;) We won't be able to keep our conquests if we let England live.

IMHO, we shld take all of England. Then the English cities will have nowhere to flip to. :)

Well really what I meant was we should take over, say, roughly, 3/5 of England, including the cities surroinding London and Nottingham. I think everyone misenterpreted me on that.

I will restate it-

-Take London, Nottingham, and all surrounding cities.
- Take all cities inbetween them.
- Leave the west part alone, and make peace.

- Culture fliiping will not be a problem if we capture all the cities surrounding London and Nottinghah.



Ah what the heck, lets conquer all of England, it will be fun.

I still like my idea though:)

I think that if we want the English cities with the wonders we will have to get rid of England all together. As long as Elizabeth lives there will be a chance of London (or whatever) flipping back to her. This could happen even if the nearest English city is far away...

Hadrian's Wall/Line was meant to keep English cavalry from raiding into our territory. Once England runs low on cavalry we no longer have to maintain that line but can use the infantry in more productive ways.

BTW, remember we are at war with Germany as well, so making peace with England will not get us out of the war weariness rut.

Relax, I knew what you meant Ohwell.:goodjob:

And Im in the process of doing it! :D Ive never fought a war with mostly infantry before, but what the hell, its working! Were winning!

I loaded up the game and studied it before ending the turn, and noticed 8 cavalry sitting in front of our infantry. I unfortified our infantry and smashed them all to one hit point for the loss of one infantry. I changed some production in a couple of cities, and ended the turn.

1781 - English attack on our defensive line is meek, two infantry lost for five dead cavalry, and several retreated away damaged.
Our counter-attack kills four more cavalry and we attack across the entitre line, pushing north into England.

Hiawatha notifies us our MPP is over. We offer iron and incense for saltpeter and furs, he accepts! Our happiness problems seem better now, and we can build cavalry! Hiawatha is not trustworthy, but for now well take what we can get.

1782 - English attack Hieracanpolis and we barely hang on! Our ironclads bombard Dover, destroying the coastal fortress, barracks and some citizens.

The infantry is killing the damaged cavalry inside Glouchester and Exeter, theres alot of them trying to heal inside those two cities. Were, actually.:D

1784 - Rome discovers refining. We start working on steel, which will take 8 turns. The T/S/L rate is 3/5/2 and cant be changed for now, untill we make more money or end the war.

English cavalry blasted aside an infantry unit and poured into our rear. Several infantry healing behind the line stop them, and an elite unit spawns a great leader, Maximus!

An infantry army is created and boards a galleon for the attack on London. Lots of artillery is ordered, and will sail over soon.

Our troops take Glouchester and capture 1 worker and a catapult. Weve killed 20+ cavalry, several riflemen and spearmen for the loss of 6 infantry and 2 artillery so far.

Ironclads pummel Dover some more, taking out the temple and more civilians.

1786 - Rebellion in Heiracanpolis! Infantry unit outside re-takes city and it is destroyed during the battle. We must take Dover to gain another port!

Our troops capture Exeter and capture 4 workers! Many more English cavalry killed, their counter-attacks are getting weaker. The workers are building rail right behind the line as it advances, helping bring up new units and retreat damaged ones.

1 Ironclad sailed around to Rome, to guard against any amphib assault from other continent. Just in case...;)

More to come!

I forgot to mention the Hoover Dam was begun in Rome, and the Intelligence Agency in Veii, both in 1782.

1788 - 2 English ironclads spotted off our east coast, each escorting a troop ship!:eek: English cavalry launches a lame attack at Exeter and we spank them hard. Sink an ironclad off dover, no Roman losses.

1790 - Roman artillery pounding Abydos into match sticks, more English cavalry wasted at Exeter. I switched production in Mycanea to ironclad, hopefully to catch the English ships as they pass. One English ironclad caught and sunk off Glouchester and accompanying caravel runs away.

1792 - Abydos razed, and new forward defense line is begun. This one is shorter than the previous one, and has better interlocking fields of fire for the artillery.

Naval battle off Mycanea, we lose an ironclad, but the English abandon a galleon, and we sink it. Chasing last English convoy towards Iroquois.

Man o War shows up off Dover and we feel obliged to sink it. Dover is a rubble heap from our artillery bombardments.

Improved the areas around Corinth and Pharsalos alot. New mines and rail.

1794 - University of Leeds hit by Roman naval artillery, students forced to hold class in craters.

1796 - Dover is razed! Our troops head for London.
I have to agree with Knight-Dragon that holding London will be impossible, even if we could capture it. Instead I am sending 5 artillery and infantry escort to pound it into the stone age. Nottingham after that. If we cant have the wonders, neither will they!

Man o War sunk off Canterbury, they just dont learn!

Veii switches to Military Academy, Corinth starts Heroic Epic. Our army won its first battle razing Dover!

1798 - ENGLISH INFANTRY NEAR GLOUCHESTER! Damn! Well, they caught up a little... Our cavalry mopped it up after the artillery used it for target practice.

Man o War sinks one of our ironclads, we sink it to express our displeasure.

1800 - Hiawatha lets us know our silk/dye agreement has run out, but we renew it and tack on a 10 gold/turn+world map for Roman wine. I wanted to see whats going on over there anyway.

Rome discovers steel! We work on combustion, 9 turns till mass production. Were getting there!

English caravel sunk off the Iroquois city of Dijon. We also finally catch up and sink the last English ironclad off Glouchester, but another is spotted north.

Ironclad sunk off Canterbury, Man o War sighted. We have a stack of 3 ironclads in the western sea, and are determined not to let a single Englishman land in Roman territory!

Veii building Spy Agency again, this time for real. We can build armies now though, if we so chose.

Strategy: Level London and Nottingham, then make peace. They should be so weak after that, they will be our pet civ for the rest of the game.

Once we have peace with everybody, we can go all out for tech. We'll build a spaceship or at least nuke everybody before this is over.:D

Im going to play a couple turns tomorow and hand it over to Toasty. Good night!

Where's their rubber? Maybe we can cut off their rubber resources like in the German game. ;)

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
Where's their rubber? Maybe we can cut off their rubber resources like in the German game. ;)

That would be bad for population control , theyve already got the Pyramids, you know. ;)

:lol:

Seriously, Im going to cut off their supply of Capitol cities and Great Wonders first. :D I'll look into a resource strategy too. Right now, we have our hands full fighting back their cavalry onslaught.

I got some trade embargos signed against England, I forgot to post that earlier.

1802 - 3 English galleons sighted off Richmond with ironclads! 7 cavalry land! :eek:
-English cav attacks the "line", we hold 'em back with bayonets.
-At London, our bombardment destroys the barracks and temple.
-A mighty tough English galleon sinks one of our ironclads!

1804 - The new "line" is finished, with 7 fortresses all connected by rail. They cant get into our territory short of an amphib assault. Roads north are cut to prevent cav from escaping and healing in cities.
- English ironclad kills one of ours off Asyut.
-London: bombardment destroys marketplace and 30,000 citizens. They rush-built something too, infantry I think.
- Lone infantry in Richmond holds! Walls rushed!

1806 - One of our ironclads gets the little bugger off Asyut, and is promoted.
- Troops move up to attack Leeds, with lots of artillery.
- Troops landed to stop England from getting the horses across from Richmond, they have no horses right now! No new cavalry!
- London: Killed 30,000 citizens with artillery. They rush-built again. London is size 3 now. :lol:

1808 - No attack on the "line" for 2 turns.
- Infantry in Richmond now elite! Killed all 7 cav! :hammer:
- Cavalry and longbowmen with infantry attack at horses, they want it bad! We hold, but barely.
- London: Library, courthouse and bank smashed, plus 10,000 citizens.

England wants to make peace! We agree to a treaty for 1000 English gold, map and 2 workers. We gain some breathing room to ponder our next move.

We need more force to take them out, and I dont know if we should or shouldnt. Lets have a pow-wow and decide our plans.

1810 - England demands we remove troops away from Leeds and London, while they have troops in our territory! We had no chance to move ours yet!
We tell Elizabeth to shag-off and war resumes!
-English wipe out our forces by the horses.
-Leeds bombarded again, and razed! This causes their only coal to be lost! Galleon and ironclad destroyed in Leeds as well.
- London: Cathedral,