Well, as I announced it a couple of days ago in another thread, here's a preview of the leaderhead I'm working on at the moment. I'll probably finish it for this weekend, but I still would thank any suggestions for it, and advice on better background images for it, etc, etc

Oh, and please keep all political stuff out of this thread.... we all know what he did, and the only purpose of this leaderhead is to let people making WWII scenarios have a good leaderhead, or even perhaps let some people have an encouragement to play against Germany



EDIT: There is a new preview of the ancient times in post #18.. just a new take on the beard.

EDIT 2: New preview here... beards and hair redone in each era, and solved the problem with the bulky coat in the modern era

Looking pretty good.

What's not looking good is the beard/moustache. I understand they're tricky to do well, but if they could be made to look more, well, hairy, the total result would be much better.

The coat in the modern version looks a bit too bulky.

Controversial! It looks good, I think, and certainly like him. My only comment would be that the hair looks too dark. It has no shade or texture, so it looks like it's been drawn on in big felt tip - especially the facial hair. It might look less odd when it's animated but I wonder if you could lighten it or give it more texture?

Oh, and is his shirt and tie in the final era the correct colour? Although perhaps you're not actually putting him in uniform there, so it may be OK.

[EDIT] Simulposted with TLC about the facial hair!

hmm to save yourself time in photoshop why not make the nazi clothing industrial and give him a normal suit for modern. your using don? I would download M2 from that program you dont have. M2 has more ways to morph the face, and I can send you a texture for an M2 head. I also have a site to download nazi props its in japanese but you can know what to download by the pictures. And I think hitlers hair was more brown...

http://www.katch.ne.jp/~naoki-s/download/download.htm
that has nazi clothing
http://mad.zombie.jp/link/yomi.cgi?mode=kt&kt=10_05
theres just a bunch of japanese sites with poser stuff

One other point - perhaps his hair is a bit too neat in the first too ages - it doesn't quite match the look of the rest of the portrait. The rather wild look of the first age in particular seems to demand a shaggier sort of haircut. I think the style is fine for the final two ages, though.

I should say that other than the hair I do think this looks very good!

The character does look like Adolf IMHO. The backgrounds are good and the modern era is particularly good. If I were you, I'd have your modern version as the industrial and use a normal suit for the modern era.

The facial hair could be improved, but it is difficult. I use the Millenium beard myself, available through Daz, but at a cost.

Is he going to be animated?

Well, when this guys done all we need is Joseph Stalin and that bald Italian Dictator, and we can pit the two evil Fascist guys against the two evil Communist guys(Stalin and Mao)....are just crush them all as Britain, France or the US...mhahahahaha

If you have real trouble with the hair, maybe you could just plop a hat on his head.

Looks pretty good! Are there any other WW2 animated leaderheads out there? Or is anyone planning to make some?

I am planing on making a full ww2 leaderhead flc pack, Hitler, Stalin, Hirohito, Churchill, FDR, Chiang Kai, who ever the Thai leader is, Ho-chi Mihn, Benito, and the free france leader. However only Hitler, Stalin, and Ho-chin Mihn (maybe Chiang) will be all eras. But I dont want to talk about my work in his thread but, it looks like i have a worthy oppent for hitler leaderhead -_-...
hahaha ^ ^;;

Sounds good ShiroKobbure, i'm really looking forward to it! :)

I am planing on making a full ww2 leaderhead flc pack, Hitler, Stalin, Hirohito, Churchill, FDR, Chiang Kai, who ever the Thai leader is, Ho-chi Mihn, Benito, and the free france leader. However only Hitler, Stalin, and Ho-chin Mihn (maybe Chiang) will be all eras. But I dont want to talk about my work in his thread but, it looks like i have a worthy oppent for hitler leaderhead -_-...
hahaha ^ ^;;

Save some time, Civ Army did a Chiang already, I'll admit its not his greatest head, but I would rather see lots of diffrent heads, then multiple versions of the same...

There is already an animated era-specific Hitler leaderhead here (http://www.civ3files.com/cgi-bin/Civ3Files.cgi?Page=ShowContributor&Contributor=300)

so? its nice to give people more options and besides its not 3d

OK, I'll try to make replies to everyone here...

@TLC & Plotinus: I know the facial hair doesn't look too good... it looked a bit better on the pre-rendering previews in Poser, but it came way too dark after rendering it... ShiroKobbure just sent me some tips on PM on how to make they look more textured, and thus more realistic. I'll also try making them a bit less black, and perhaps a bit less hairy (a thousand less hairs or so).
I also agree the coat does look a bit too bulky, so I might try to change that as well (using perhaps a combination of Poser/Corel Photo Paint).. and I'll also try to change the tie to make an uniform, though that wasn't exactly the idea (it was in a beginning, but gave up on the idea quickly)
And also, the hair during the first two eras (especially the first one), does look a bit too neat, but since I still couldn't find a better model, I have stayed with this one.

@Shiro: thank you very much for the links for the Nazi clothing.. I'll probably use that one for an alternative version of the leaderhead (based on a pic I found of Hitler with several outfits), and I'll probably even make an alternative modern head (so that the actual one will be industrial), though I'm still not very convinced by the idea, since the Nazi era is quite too modern IMO (though I can't still decide on it, since it's on the very limit of the ages, according to the game)

@R8XFT: Well, I still don't think it looks a lot like him, but at least I've tried to make him in some characteristic features like him, like having those gigantic ears, and some of the shape of his nose, but I think I still have a long way to go to make him look like the real one (though it'd be OK for me to make him recognisable)


Oh, and the head is going to be animated, just like the ones by Firaxis (though he won't blink, as I can't do that... yet :P)

Jorde, this looks good, but as for making the coat less bulky, I assume you did that to prevent pokethrough from the main figure underneath? If so, just go to the main figure and make the Chest, collars and arms invisible, then you won't have to worry about anything poking through the coat (I learned this from my own poser trials and errors)

Jorde, this looks good, but as for making the coat less bulky, I assume you did that to prevent pokethrough from the main figure underneath? If so, just go to the main figure and make the Chest, collars and arms invisible, then you won't have to worry about anything poking through the coat (I learned this from my own poser trials and errors)

Very close... I did that to prevent pokethough from the suit, as I already have the main figure transparent in that zones... I'll probably reduce it, just enough to let it pass behind his neck, and then photoshop the rest of the coat afterwards...

On another subject: here's a first, quick preview of my first take into his new beard for the ancient times... I think it has already improved a bit, but may have to work some more on it to make it look nearly perfect... thanks again to Shiro for the tips for it :)

Looks good. I think the hair in general needs tweeking. The beard in the first couple eras is a little....well it just doesn't seem right. Hitler wasn't exactly a big guy, so a big burly beard seems rather out of place. You should really change his hair style in there somewhere too. In the older eras, maybe have it a bit longer, hanging on the sides of his face, or even straight back.

New preview in first post.

Next step is the addition of some wrinkles (especially near his eyes), redoing the different moods (morphing the face instead of using the ones included in Poser), and start animating the face.

That beard looks much better, jorde! Can't wait to see the finished leaderhead.

It looks good, (in an evil way) but the modern isn't really the right shape of a "Hitler" mustache.

@odintheking: I know it's not exactly THE right shape, but it's about the closest I can get to it with Poser...


BTW; new previews: slightly modified this time to show the different moods, and an alternate version of the modern era (thanks again to Shiro for the clothing models)

die the dark part brown, hitler wore more of an SA than an SS uniform. Im telling you get M2, and make the beard textures apart of his face, did you download that thing I didnt send you?

die the dark part brown, hitler wore more of an SA than an SS uniform. Im telling you get M2, and make the beard textures apart of his face, did you download that thing I didnt send you?

I don't think I'll get M2 for this head since I would have to re-do it all over, but perhaps I could make another version later (and I'll probably start making other leaderheads quite soon)

Yes, it looks much better now. The hair and beards etc look like they're growing out of him rather than drawn on, Groucho Marx style!

I'm not convinced that Hitler would have worn an SS uniform, though - I think ShiroKobbure's right to suggest brown rather than black. The outfit in this picture seems to me to be typical. Probably just a matter of changing the coat colour. The tie looks good as you have it, with that little pin on it. This should be an impressive LH when it's done.

EDIT - I wondered if Hitler really had such green eyes, as represented in this (obviously official and idealised) portrait, but it's hard to find out. All the photos I could find that show his eyes clearly enough are black and white. But they look quite dark there, so it would make sense to suppose that they were brown or hazel (as you'd expect from his hair colour).

About Masaryk clothes:
In Ancient era he may have similiar clothes like Brennus from Celts,In Middle age like Charles. Only specific is his hat in industrial/modern era may be his hat, which named by him, its on the photo which I send in previous thread. Combination of military cap and hat...Many people in Czechoslovakian cities wearing these caps when Axis occupied Czech land..

wrong place this is the hitler forum
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=109730
go there
and i already got indust clothing

In the other I dont know colour of his eyes, I think he may have combination brown and green...
He looks very good.

Okay, I've changed his suit colour for the modern era to a mustard tone, as I've seen in several other pictures. I'll very probably add the little pin to his tie later.
I think his eyes are going to stay this way, hazelnut coloured, as it's at least quite a "neutral" tone (he might have blue-ish/green.ish eyes in most official portraits, but it might be some kind of idealized image, as Plotinus said... his hair is also a bit less dark in those pics as well, so I wouldn't take them as a trustworthy guide)

IMO it isn't a good idea that the facial hair style changes through the eras. The modern one is like his style. I don't think he's recognizable on the other eras.

I think the modern shouldn't have anyone there at all... :lol:

The suit shoud be a more greyish color like what he was wearing almost all the time.

Well, overall I like the portrait :)

I have a coupla timing concerns though:

1) the background of ME doesn't really look appropriate. Ok that the ME in the game actually span from ME to Renaissance and even later, but still... I don't know but that church doesn't give me the idea of a Middle Age Germany.
2) In the game, Hitler would have lived in the Industrial Age (Fascism, Panzers, Theory of Relativity, etc), not in the Modern one. Therefor I would give him his typical mustache in this age, and maybe make up an original one for the modern age, or leave that if you like.

Well, overall I like the portrait :)

I have a coupla timing concerns though:

1) the background of ME doesn't really look appropriate. Ok that the ME in the game actually span from ME to Renaissance and even later, but still... I don't know but that church doesn't give me the idea of a Middle Age Germany.
2) In the game, Hitler would have lived in the Industrial Age (Fascism, Panzers, Theory of Relativity, etc), not in the Modern one. Therefor I would give him his typical mustache in this age, and maybe make up an original one for the modern age, or leave that if you like.

1 - Well, I could try another picture for the mid ages... I wasn't really convinced as well by the background I used, but since no one complained (until now) and given the few images I could find of that time (that one, and another I'm going to use now), I decided to leave it this way.
2 - Well, in the game, Hitler could have also lived in the modern era (Nuclear Power and Rocketry come to my mind), so he's actually in the borderline between both eras, that's why I decided to make him modern, though I could also make an alternate version, not right now (I'm posting the LH tonight), but perhaps in a couple of days