View Full Version : Unit pack: WWII paratroopers, 15 Jan 2005
BeBro Jan 15, 2005, 08:44 AM Unit pack finished: 5 Feb 2005. Contains now....
US Para DL:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/USPara.zip (ca. 620kb)
Japanese DL:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/JapPara.zip (ca. 480kb)
Italian DL:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/ItalianPara.zip (ca. 440kb)
Please make sure you dl the additional fortify anim for the Italian attached below ;)
British green DL:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/BritPara.zip (ca. 400kb)
British camouflage DL:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/BritPara_camo.zip (ca. 400kb)
Preview drop sequence (Japanese):
Snorken Jan 15, 2005, 08:47 AM Very cool unit BeBro! :)
Figaro Jan 15, 2005, 08:49 AM Excellent unit, my only question is that the hole in the parachute is a lot bigger in the shadow than on the actual parachute!
BeBro Jan 15, 2005, 08:55 AM Yeah, I have no idea but I think in the game it will not be that big a prob ;)
Kinboat Jan 15, 2005, 09:35 AM Excellent :D
Side question... Did the Japanese make much use of Paratroopers in WW2? I don't believe I've ever heard them mentioned. Maybe I'm just forgetting something though.
Figaro Jan 15, 2005, 09:53 AM You should make a Russian Paratrooper... maybe an early one without a parachute! Just have him falling from the sky and hitting the ground, then picking himself up again. Give it rubbish range though because they wouldn't be able to fly too high.
Smoking mirror Jan 15, 2005, 10:30 AM Excellent :D
Side question... Did the Japanese make much use of Paratroopers in WW2? I don't believe I've ever heard them mentioned. Maybe I'm just forgetting something though.
Well, early in the war the japanese did make some use of paratroops to land troops on small islands where a landing strip was not available. Ships were easier but slower, and there was no real way to recover these troops without thier use, so once the japanese navy was beaten many of these troops were left on barely habitable islands for the rest of the war.
Many were killed and eaten by canibals.
Of course this is Civ, so although the japanese didn't take full advantage of paratroops in real life, its asumed that the player in a pacific war scenario would like to try out the idea.
BTW; exelent units as always bebro! :)
killer_J27 Jan 15, 2005, 10:51 AM nice unit i love it and cant wait for the rest
Drivebymaster Jan 15, 2005, 12:19 PM SUUUUWEEEEEETTTT :goodjob: awsome just awsome I need these units. Thanx Bebro can't wait for the rest.
CamJH Jan 15, 2005, 12:28 PM Awesome unit Bebro! :thumbsup:
Bungus Jan 15, 2005, 01:56 PM Like the grenade toss. Still say his feet are too small. Thanks.
Snorken Jan 15, 2005, 02:51 PM I hope you'll make British, American and German paras too... :)
Luddi VII Jan 16, 2005, 03:08 AM GReat unit! This fit right into my WWII mod.:D
John Falkner Jan 16, 2005, 04:02 AM :king: Bebro,
i appreciate your WW2 infantry series, its like the guys from Revell in 1/72. I wonder if the British Paratroopers will come with a Sten 9mm in their hands. And yes, we need russians.
Have you thought over a modern infantry series ??? :p
Bartholomaï Jan 16, 2005, 05:00 AM cooool unit!!
BeBro Jan 16, 2005, 07:01 AM I wonder if the British Paratroopers will come with a Sten 9mm in their hands.
Yes :)
Have you thought over a modern infantry series ???
Yes, although it will take a loooong while beofre I'm finally able to release something here, since I still have to do some other stuff before. A while ago I posted a preview of a KSK guy, but there were also some problems with the camo pattern. Didn't have time to work on it since then.
Did the Japanese make much use of Paratroopers in WW2? I don't believe I've ever heard them mentioned.
To be honest I didn't know much about them either before I made this unit. But Smoking Mirror has answered it perfectly....;)
BeBro Jan 16, 2005, 09:41 AM Italian para is finished and can be dl-ed from the first post. :)
TopGun Jan 16, 2005, 01:02 PM Bebro, as usual... when you deliver, you deliver! Glad you are making these... :)
Snorken Jan 16, 2005, 02:03 PM The Italian para looks good! :) I've heard of Japanese paras, but i've never heard of Italian paras...
BeBro Jan 17, 2005, 02:14 AM Little update for the Italian: I forgot to include the fortify anim (it was already specified in the ini file), but it is now attached in the first post. Simply move it into the unit's folder after unzipping ;)
Drivebymaster Jan 18, 2005, 10:38 AM Hey what about a german paratrooper?
Thuldorn Jan 18, 2005, 10:46 AM Driveby, search for Green Devils, those are the German Paratroops and are available either here or CDG's site. I'm at work and don't have time to look for the link myself right now.
Drivebymaster Jan 18, 2005, 10:53 AM Thanks will look for it
Thuldorn Jan 18, 2005, 05:31 PM BY the way, here's a link with interesting info about the Japanee Paratroopers in WWII:
http://www.geocities.com/dutcheastindies/japan_paratroop.html
Olixas Jan 19, 2005, 03:54 AM And look here on Thuldorn, post 36:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=20408&page=2
BeBro Jan 23, 2005, 04:58 AM The British WWII para is released. Please see the first post for the link to the file.
Preview here shows default> fidget > fortify >attack :)
Steph Jan 23, 2005, 06:10 AM A Russian would be nice, as they used paratroopers relatively often (compared to other countries).
But I don't have picture
John Falkner Jan 23, 2005, 08:09 AM YEEEAAHHHH !!! That IS a Sten
Thank you King :king:
Maybe the camo could be a bit better for a typical british para, but I know its hard to make. :crazyeye: :goodjob:
BeBro Jan 23, 2005, 10:45 AM A Russian would be nice, as they used paratroopers relatively often (compared to other countries).
But I don't have picture
Well, the CDG guys talked me into making a US para next....and then I could need a break from making paras.....;)
Goldflash Jan 23, 2005, 11:08 AM In all honesty, the Paratrooper that came with C3C looks American to me.
John Falkner Jan 23, 2005, 12:41 PM And in case of an east-west conflict, we have no eastern paratroopers :(
Snorken Jan 23, 2005, 02:14 PM Looks nice! :) His uniform doesn't look very British though...
Drivebymaster Jan 23, 2005, 03:35 PM ya got the british one done :goodjob:
BeBro Jan 24, 2005, 05:57 AM Looks nice! :) His uniform doesn't look very British though...
Hm, I made him after this pic:
John Falkner Jan 24, 2005, 06:27 AM I think the colors of this picture are right :)
Steph Jan 24, 2005, 06:34 AM I really need to make my scan lighter (as opposed to dark, not heavy)...
W.i.n.t.e.r Jan 24, 2005, 07:20 AM http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Neu_PhotoSuite_Image2.jpg http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Image14.jpg ?
BeBro Jan 24, 2005, 07:57 AM That looks good - is it a UK or a US para?
W.i.n.t.e.r Jan 24, 2005, 09:12 AM Thanx :) its a 1944 UK para- ptw british rm with new helmet. I want to see if it can be coverted into a para... after all, the only crucial storyboard animation would be the paradrop one ... I hope. Love that SMG, btw :king:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/x_britishRM_default1.gif
BeBro Jan 25, 2005, 08:07 AM Re the uniform question again, I could render an alternative version with camo and slightly changed lighting (so that it doesn't look so dark. That wouldn't be that much work. I just hope w.i.n.t.e.r. doesn't mind - I'd quasi steal his idea then....
However, this version would look like this:
W.i.n.t.e.r Jan 25, 2005, 08:38 AM nonesense- its a historical unit after all.
BeBro Jan 25, 2005, 09:25 AM Ok :)
*filled in to reach the 10 character limit*
John Falkner Jan 25, 2005, 09:49 AM Bebro you are the best :cool:
Steph Jan 25, 2005, 10:43 AM We can use your new settings for British, and the old one for another country
W.i.n.t.e.r Jan 25, 2005, 12:25 PM We can use your new settings for British, and the old one for another country
America?? :)
The old one would go nicely for early war allied paratroopers (those using round helmets, of course). Note that his type of overall would not be used in later years, as more practical unifroms in conventional cuts (see Bebro's) would be introduced. In this respect the British were quite advanced. I have to confess that I intentionaly replaced the C3C WWII paratrooper with the original Civ3 vanilla one to keep this perfect looking unit in the modern times :)
BeBro Jan 25, 2005, 12:41 PM Re Goldflash's "In all honesty, the Paratrooper that came with C3C looks American to me." - you're probably right, but I said I make one at the CDG and I think it would be unfair to take it back now. It would also mean the work already done on the US para would be wasted.
So next will be US and updated British, then I'll see....;)
John Falkner Jan 25, 2005, 01:04 PM .....youŽll see a russian paratrooper??? ;) :D
Steph Jan 25, 2005, 01:38 PM America?? :)
No. Could be India for instance. British lloking, but with darker uniform for jungle?
BeBro Jan 25, 2005, 01:56 PM .....youŽll see a russian paratrooper??? ;) :D
:D You really try everything, don't you? ;)
Honestly, no idea yet.
W.i.n.t.e.r Jan 25, 2005, 03:09 PM No. Could be India for instance. British lloking, but with darker uniform for jungle?
hmmm, flying Indians- now look at that :lol:
Drivebymaster Jan 25, 2005, 08:37 PM How about a vietnamies paratrooper? :lol:
No seroiusly were there chinese paratroopers?
if there were make one it would be nice.
BeBro Jan 26, 2005, 07:35 AM This is a preview for the US para I plan. There could be still some changes (eg. on those little bags for ammo), but I need a little bit feedback about the uniform, esp. about its color - is it ok? Because on some pics i saw it looked rather like a green tone, on some more into brown. I asked this at the CDG, but they are currently "in transition" (changing the forum etc.)
Mackel-Loos Jan 26, 2005, 07:56 AM .....youŽll see a russian paratrooper??? ;) :D
Russians were the first to create paratroops.
French officialy create their own "Groupe d'Infanterie de l'Air" (or paratroops) the 01 february 1936.
Unfortunately, I've only very bad looking photographs of those troops...
Snorken Jan 27, 2005, 12:42 PM I think the American unifrom should be a bit darker, but i'm not sure...
recon1591 Jan 27, 2005, 01:46 PM Bebro,
Maybe just 1 shade darker should do fine.But looking good sofar.
Drivebymaster Jan 27, 2005, 02:04 PM Why not put those bags on the back or put a backpack on him?
BeBro Jan 28, 2005, 12:54 PM I searched again around and found this:
http://www.ww2modelmaker.com/modelpages/JPParafig.htm
Here the color looks not that dark, but less greenish. I plan to rework my model accordingly. I'll also add other details I see on this site....I post a preview again when I'm done with the changes.
Edit: here's another one from that site - which shows that the M1A1 carbine is smaller than I thought.
http://www.ww2modelmaker.com/modelpages/JMabpara.htm
recon1591 Jan 28, 2005, 01:44 PM Yes the folding version is shorter then the regular version of the M1.
And those are great sites. And i like the looks of the Screaming eagles. LOL. Go 1/187th A.B. lol.
recon1591 Jan 28, 2005, 01:49 PM Here's a good 1 of the 82nd if it helps as well
http://www.ww2modelmaker.com/modelpages/DRus82airfig.htm
BeBro Jan 28, 2005, 02:04 PM Yeah - cool too. I wonder what that little thing on the helmet is - I believe I saw at least one pic somewhere with those "glasses" I put on the helmet in the preview, but now all pics I see have those little bag (or whatever it is). I think I'll change that too.
recon1591 Jan 28, 2005, 02:07 PM I forgot what they were for back then. When i was in we didn't have them. lol. Before i became a Green Beret. lol.
Steph Jan 28, 2005, 02:08 PM I think it's a small medpack?
recon1591 Jan 28, 2005, 02:10 PM U might be right on that Steph.
BeBro Jan 29, 2005, 07:17 AM Here is the new preview. I'm much more satisfied with it, there are only some little adjustments to be made (for example how he holds the weapon), but overall I think it is ready for "production" now....
recon1591 Jan 29, 2005, 08:58 AM Now thats what i call a top notch 82nd/101st AB unit Bebro.
Steph Jan 29, 2005, 09:21 AM Very good unit!
Now, where to find a picture of these damned Russian paratroopers? ;)
BeBro Jan 29, 2005, 09:29 AM Yeah - I never saw anything during my searches :( maybe Russian WWII paras are a myth :D ;)
Steph Jan 29, 2005, 09:45 AM Apparently, Del Prado book #88 is dedicated to Russian paratrooper
http://www.michtoy.com/MTSCnewSite/reference_folder/de_prado/delprado_menatwar.html
BeBro Jan 29, 2005, 09:53 AM I know they aren't a myth ;) But good pics of them are sooo hard to find. The link you gave seems to have no pics of them either?
recon1591 Jan 29, 2005, 09:57 AM I'm wondering if they dressed liked th regular infantry or smth. Because i'm not finding any pics either. Also i know they had them as well, But did they use them enough to make a diff. like the Brits and US did. ??????????
BeBro Jan 29, 2005, 10:20 AM The promised version with camo pattern is out now and can be dl-ed from the first post. The old (plain green) version is still available too. Animations are identical, just the new one has a uniform with camo pattern, the older one not. Therefore I don't post another animated preview....;)
Goldflash Jan 29, 2005, 12:22 PM About Russian Paratroopers:
In the Movie The Last Emperor there is a brief scene when Russian Paratroopers invade Machukoa (Manchuria) I don't know if they were accurate, but they wore lightr brown uniforms and were equipped with a Burp Gun.
John Falkner Jan 29, 2005, 03:41 PM Maybe the russian paratrooper could look like this. But this is a russian Commando :)
W.i.n.t.e.r Jan 29, 2005, 04:09 PM Early (1934) Blue:
http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/rusia/rusosb/rus36pa1.jpg http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/rusia/rusosb/rustar36.jpg http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/rusia/rusosb/rusparf4.jpg
http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/rusia/rusosb/rusparfb.jpg http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/rusia/rusosb/rusparfd.jpg
Later (1942) Khaki:
http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/rusia/rusosb/rusparaa.jpg http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/rusia/rusosb/rusunif2.jpg http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/rusia/rusosb/ruspadi1.jpg http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/rusia/rusosb/rusparf5.jpg
BeBro Jan 30, 2005, 06:53 AM Just a little progress report: I'm a bit busy now with writing stuff for my studies, so I still need some time for the us para, therefore release is probably not before next weekend.
Snorken Jan 30, 2005, 09:37 AM The new US para looks good but shouldn't the M1 Carbine have a shorter, straighter magazine?
BeBro Jan 30, 2005, 09:41 AM You are correct when you mean the standard 15-round mag, but I read the M1A1 could also be used with those curved mags holding 30 rounds each. I also saw pics of these, and decided to use them, because I think it looks better, and on civ size the smaller mag could be reduced so much that it is hardly to spot anymore....;)
Snorken Jan 30, 2005, 10:13 AM Yeah it probably doesn't matter at Civ scale...
little_cyclone Feb 03, 2005, 06:30 PM I may be a little late to enter the discussion, but what about Polish paratroopers? They played a part in the Allied attack in Operation Market Garden.. Though I realize most of their equipment was probably provided by the UK and US, a little color differentiation would work well in determining one unit from another.
Just my 2 cents.
W.i.n.t.e.r Feb 04, 2005, 06:40 AM I may be a little late to enter the discussion, but what about Polish paratroopers? They played a part in the Allied attack in Operation Market Garden.. Though I realize most of their equipment was probably provided by the UK and US, a little color differentiation would work well in determining one unit from another.
Just my 2 cents.
You rightely stated it: The Free Polish wore British uniforms, helmets and berrets (no colour differenciation from other British formations in those)
BeBro Feb 05, 2005, 08:12 AM The US para is released and can be downloaded from the first post. I think it turned out very good. With this one I close this unit pack. I may come back to some of the other suggested paras though.....
Edit: forgot to mention, I didn't test the new us para in the game, so please post if something doesn't work. But I don't expect any probs....
Here's a preview for the US para: he's enjoying a cigar (victory and fidget). This anim alone has 50 frames :D
Figaro Feb 05, 2005, 09:00 AM Brilliant, as always - but where on earth does he put the cigar? Into the handle of the gun?!
BeBro Feb 05, 2005, 09:03 AM No, the anim starts when he has it in his right hand, then putting it in the mouth. then his right arm goes down, holds the gun again, and with the left he is igniting the cigar in his mouth. Maybe I should have posted it from a side view, it is better visible then ;)
recon1591 Feb 05, 2005, 09:57 AM Hot dog this is the best 1 yet with the cigar. Great touch and idea.
recon1591 Feb 05, 2005, 10:03 AM Oh and reqeust. Could u plz do the Russian so they will have their own version.
Snorken Feb 05, 2005, 10:06 AM The US para looks great! :) I hope you'll make a German para someday...
recon1591 Feb 05, 2005, 10:09 AM True a new German Para would be a great replacement of the old C&P 1 that's out there now. But these are only if Bebro has the time and is willing to do them.
recon1591 Feb 05, 2005, 10:15 AM By the way just looked and the Victory.flc isn't in the file folder. Was there 1 suppose to be there. ????
BeBro Feb 05, 2005, 10:25 AM Should be no prob, it is the fidget anim, but it is played as victory too. ;)
recon1591 Feb 05, 2005, 10:36 AM oh ok kool. just making sure and thanks for another great unit.
John Falkner Feb 05, 2005, 12:15 PM Oh man,
great compliment, :king: King of us, Krauts.
I must additionally honor your great work, because I know you have no time, at the moment. :goodjob:
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