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http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/bush012.jpg

Be clear: it is not a political thread, so, this LH is not propaganda to Bush or a way to attack him or USA. DON'T POST COMMENTS THAT COULD TURN THE THREAD POLITICAL, please :p
With this LH, I'll add a new UU to the American civilization, I hope add new (American) wonder in the pack and do the diplomacy.txt. Plotius was doing this diplomacy.txt, but I don't know how the project is, cos the LH was not on work a long time ago.

Other point, the eras: ancient (native american), middle (dresses like the 1st Americans, just don't have the tricorner hat, I need one), industrial (cowboy) and modern (this one).

thanks for the attention :)

lesee.... Ears need to stick out a bit more, jaw needs to be a tad narrower. Also, the hair on the sides needs to be a hair (no pun intended) longer. That's all I can think of for now.

your using M3?
I would go with a little of the moneky morph because well...

I would go with a little of the moneky morph because well...

Yeah, like I said, narrower chin, slightly wider cheeks and ears sticking out more.....

Hey?! Is that suit the Default "David" business suit that I used in my Rufus Shinra LH?! :lol:

Um, no offense, but it doesn't really look like Bush.

His ears should stick out a bit more and his face is a bit too narrow. I'd also suggest making him look a bit older (slightly wrinkled face, etc.) Otherwise, very good!

He would look more lime bush if his ears were out to the sides more and if his head was a little more squashed along the vertical axis. His neck needs to be shorter / thicker as well.

his eyes are too close and bush usually has his eyes hafe closed. I wouldnt use that ceaser hair, it makes him look bald, use poser 4 hair with a bump map

It's right to have the eyes quite close together (though they ought to slant up a bit, to give him that quizzical look), but it's true that the face doesn't seem quite the right shape. I think it should be shorter and wider. Also, Bush doesn't have such a strong chin, I'm sure.

As for the Diplomacy - actually no work on it from then to now, but it's about half done. I can have it finished for when the LH is finished though, so when it looks like we're nearly there I'll finish it off!

He doesn't look President bush at all..

make the face rounder, a litte chubby not fat, add wringles on the forhead, his eye brows usually slant upwards, his eyes wince, ears stick out some more, give him more redish skin

CivArmy, try finding a picture of GWB and then comparing it to your leaderhead. Focus on one thing at a time. Look what kind of a nose GWB has and then try to replicate that on your LH. Then check his chin, then eyes, then ears, face shape, proportions, eyebrows, skin tone, everything. You can do a lot better than the current version just on your own. Just focus on it. :)

Wow. Its like a Broken Frikkin Record in here

I did more changes in the LH, artwork in 1st post :) I used the tips and I'll continue using them :goodjob:

looks a little better, make his face more round maybe

Is this the first in a series of leaderheads based on the current heads of state of countries of the world?

That is a lot better. It's much easier to tell who it's meant to be. I'd recommend still making his head a bit shorter, though. If you look at a picture you'll see that his nose is quite short (measuring up and down, not how much it sticks out, if you see what I mean), and the nostrils are a bit flared - *almost* like a black person's nose, though not so much, obviously. Basically, if you shorten the head so that the eyes and mouth are slightly closer together, changing the shape of the nose to fit, that might help a lot.

Also, I'm not sure about the eyebrows. Has he even got any there? Bush has quite prominent eyebrows, and it would be good to make them slightly slanting as well, like his eyes, to emphasise his expression (because it is quite striking in real life). It might help if you made his skin tone slightly paler (or perhaps increased the illumination). The hair is better, although not quite right - Bush generally has longer hair than that, so it should stick out a little more.

If you can get some wrinkles in the forehead, that would be good too, although of course it might be hard to do that realistically and avoid making him look incredibly old and wizened...

I like the background this time around. It looks quite stylish!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/bush014.jpg



http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/images/300-p25695-23.jpg

Close. ;)

He's still missing the twinkle in his eyes.

Loose the tan, make his face wider and the nose shorter.

His face is too Oval. Take a hammer and beat his chin untill its flatter...

his eyes are blue
the head looks a little like ross poro hahaha

1. Give him pale skin.
2. Shorten and widen his face
3. Shorten his nose
4. Bring his eyes closer to his eyebrows.
5. Squint his eyes more.
6. Add some fat to his face.
7. Give him a blockier chin.

first posr, new artworks, I used the tips posted here :)

Squint more.

Yeaaaaaaah..... .He.. um.... You need a better hair prop.

Yes, its hard to tell anything because that hair is so bad...I think more squint in the eyes, and maybe still even a short nose...

1. The hair piece isn't very good, but if you get the facial features right, it can work.
2. Still more pale skin.
3. Still shorter nose.
4. Still a bit rounder face.
5. More squint for the eyes. GWB's eyes are deep in their sockets, closely framed by his eyebrows, so it might be a good idea to bring the eyebrows a touch lower and raise the eyes a bit.
6. His cheeks are too hollow and he looks too skinny and bony overall. GWB looks a tad soft. More fat to the face.
7. Give him a different expression. It's hard to see the differences or similarities when he has such a blank look on his face. I'd suggest mimicking some GWB picture, for example the one posted by MarineCorps in post #18.

I think it looks quite good :thumbsup: , altough a bit squint in the eyes would make it even better ;)

I did improvements on the LH, as usual, artworks in 1st post. BTW, thanks for the new tips friends!!!

Thats pretty close, actually...

looking better... but i think the chin looks a bit strong now....

get rid of the mandables, his face needs to be rounder, his skin reder, raise the eyebrows on the face texture, and make them bigger

You're getting there. :)
- more fat to the face. For example, his cheeks are gaunt, GWB's cheeks are definitely not gaunt.
- Higher cheekbones
- Skin lightness is good, but like someone said, add some red to it.
- Check how it looks with the added fat and consider making him look a bit younger. He looks ~10 years too old at the moment.
- Work on little things. Try to get his expression to remind GWB. A bit more squint for the eyes and some happy spark in there. Also, his smile is forced - GWB is known for acting very down to earth and smiling easily. However, I think the eyes are rather crucial here.

The making of Dubya... Facewise, I think you're pretty close although I am missing his trademark schoolboyish smirk. I don't know whether the hair is fixable with the props you have... he's got a pretty neat side part. But other than that: a much better LH than the vanilla Lincoln.

My two cents regarding the ancient era: In my mod, the Americans start out as a native American culture (Delaware tribe). Any chance that you could make an alternate ancient era where he looks like an East Coast Indian chief? (no wild feather headdress, think Powhatan).

I think hes very close now Civ...very close....but I agree with Topgun's last comment, hes missing his trademark smile...you get that, and you've got it! :goodjob:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/images/300-p25695-23.jpg

Close. ;)

I think MC's pic is a good orientation. In the preview the part from the eyes to the hair is a little bit to small compared to the part below the eyes (hmm, not sure if that is well expressed).....

I agree that the main thing is it's too thin. If you look at the picture you'll see that his cheeks aren't nearly that hollow. If anything, they bulge very slightly.

I don't know if this is possible, but it would be good if the eyelids could droop very slightly. Look at the picture: his eyelids sag slightly at the "outer" corners of his eyes, giving him that "Huh?" look. If it were possible to add that it might have a great effect. Only very slightly, of course - we don't want it to look like he's had some ghastly surgery go wrong.

Also, is the "dimple" in his upper lip that pronounced in real life? It doesn't show at all in the photo above, although maybe it's just the lighting in that one.

Otherwise, this is certainly getting closer. The nose is good. BTW, I don't think you need worry that he looks too old - I reckon that if you fill out his cheeks a bit he will look roughly the right age.

I did more changes in the LH, artwork in 1st post :) I used the tips and I'll continue using them :goodjob:

IMO he needs a higher forehead.

On Closer inpection it looks like there is a 'Shine' coming off of his hair. You'll have to do soemthing about that

first, I'd like to say thanks for all the good suggestions :)
1st post, the new preview. Bush hair is the main problem, but it is better now (not ecxatly, but better)

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3 QUESTIONS TO MICHAEL 3 MODEL USERS:
- where is the option "injet fat in his face". I'm sure this option was present in Don and Michael 2, but I didn't find it in M3.
- where is the option "injet beard" present in M2 (I didn't find it in M3 yet)??? U know, the face rise and there I add the beard texture.
- where is the option to rise the cheeks. I used this option in the past and can't find it now

Bush has rounder chins. Otherwise it looks good.

Yes..Now we are getting there..Good Job Civ Army, But yes, still a little of a rounder chin...Bush is a tough leaderhead, but you can get him.

It's very good now. Good job, Civarmy :thumbsup:

One last thing and I think hes done...shrink the size of the mouth a tiny bit..its a tiny bit to big... :goodjob:

I'd still say he needs his cheeks filling out. If you look carefully at W's face you'll see that it doesn't go "in" at all between his cheekbones and his chin. If anything it goes out a bit. It may be that you need to make his cheekbones a bit less prominent as well, but I don't know since making the cheeks fatter may be enough. I'd say that this is really the final thing that stands in the way of a close likeness... as it is, it looks like Bush after a really serious diet.

You should find out what R8XFT uses for hair.. the hair o his leaderheads look real nice.

I think getting the hair right would be the biggest improvement, and the hardest.

Are you sure you want that background? An office setting might be better and not too hard to obtain.

I think getting the hair right would be the biggest improvement, and the hardest.

Are you sure you want that background? An office setting might be better and not too hard to obtain.

'Any old Office' Would not work.. It have to be the Oval Office.

make his face more oval, the cheek bones stick out too much, and give him bigger eye brows

i agree , i think his face is a little long... should be more oval

I posted the new artworks in 1st post, I used the new tips and think it is all right now :)
- So, I can make the expressions neutral and angry
- I can make the 3 other eras. They r: ancient (native american, no more Romanish Emperor), middle (like the 1st Americans) and indust (cowboy)
- The scenario of the modern age continues this one, it is not too simple to copy a real scenario like Oval Office, it takes time and requer unique props.
- @Plotius, how is the diplomacy.txt? any new progress?
- the wonder that I'll add in this "Bush pack" is Statue of Liberty, the same one present in the American Continent Mod.
- the UU of the Americans in this same pack is "Minuteman", also present in ACM
- I hope make the civilization of Texans too, so, the pack comes with *.biq, *.bic and *.bxt with Bush just replacing Abe and others *.biq, *.bic and *.bxt adding a new civ, the Texans.

Looks good to me. Though I still say the face needs to be a bit fatter. The angle that the model is at, you can particularly tell with its right cheek (on the left as we look at it) that the cheek goes in between the cheekbone and the jaw. I'm pretty sure that Bush's cheeks don't go in at all - if anything they go out a bit. But perhaps he just looks plumper to me than he does to other people! In any case, if you disagree with me and leave it how it is, it's still fairly clear who we're dealing with here.

I'd better get cracking with that diplomacy file. I may not be able to do anything on it this weekend but I should have some time early next week that I can devote to it, so I shall see what I can do with finishing it off.

Looks good to me. Though I still say the face needs to be a bit fatter. The angle that the model is at, you can particularly tell with its right cheek (on the left as we look at it) that the cheek goes in between the cheekbone and the jaw. I'm pretty sure that Bush's cheeks don't go in at all - if anything they go out a bit. But perhaps he just looks plumper to me than he does to other people! In any case, if you disagree with me and leave it how it is, it's still fairly clear who we're dealing with here.

I'd better get cracking with that diplomacy file. I may not be able to do anything on it this weekend but I should have some time early next week that I can devote to it, so I shall see what I can do with finishing it off.

I think his face is good how it is now :)
I posted the expressions of angry and neutral in post number 1.

Fair enough - he's your LH! Looks pretty good anyhow.

I think his face is good how it is now :)

I agree with you. You've done a great job IMHO.

I believe that the reason some people are making suggestions to further change the leaderhead is this: Bush is in the news every day. People see images of him all the time. Had you done this leaderhead in five years' time, when Bush has stepped down and had a year out of the spotlight, everyone would think it looked just like him ;) .

the 4 eras r available on post number 1 of this thread, I hope u enjoy like I enjoyed to do :)
Thanks to R8FXT for the tips of the middle age ;)

Ancient looks silly and the bearskin is too clearly a cheap 3d prop, medieval and industrial are spot on. I love that sheriff look. :)

The ancient bear skin needs work, but aside from that, everything else is good. Bush looks right, and that cowboy look becomes him.

I agree - great apart from the first era. The cowboy look is fabulous.

Just the Set the Record straight, Bush isn't from texas. He's from Conneticut. However, the cowboy is one nice Job, so is the 'Founding Fathers' Look... except for the background in that one. the Untexured sails look bad. And ancient Era is... just BAD. Looks like he is being eaten by a Tree sloth or something.

I agree with Goldflash on this one Civ...if possible try to use a photograph for the Medival Era, maybe the background picture could be the USS Constitution in Boston.

Actually I think it looks alot like Bush Sr. Right now...Could still use alittle rounder chin...

The middle ages, looks like the guy on the oatmeal box.

I LOVE the Industrial.

The sheriff one is awesome! :yeah:

as usual, 1st post, new artworks. I change the background of the middle age and change the texture of the bear suit in ancient time. I love the bear suit.

I think the problem with the bear suit in the first pic is the nose area, it still looks a bit "plasticy" (I love to take liberties with english :D ).

Other than that I think these look great :)

:yeah: Alright! Finally a leader head of the Great Leader! :king: :queen: Bush will conquer the world and enslave us all, like this! :aargh: :whipped: He will shoot the non believers! :sniper: And we all must worship :jesus: because bush does! ALL HAIL BUUUUSH!! :worship: :worship: Nah, just kidding. :joke: Bush is a good guy. Back on topic: Good leaderhead, I will have to use this one!

.. I think his eyes are too squinty... But then again, I won't use this anyway.

early bush, i think it looks odd as the bears face is too stretched.

Modern bush is wearing too much fake tan

The diplomacy.txt will get ready soon and I think this weekend I can post the link of the Bush LH. Anyone would like to suggestion any change/sum to:
- city list?
- bonuses?
- leaders list?
- other topic?

Awesome... Civarmy! Love the ancient, medieval and industrial eras as well! In fact, it's them that will make me replace Sween's Eisenhower LH for the Americans. Great Bearskin a.k.a. Dubya... :lol:

Bush himself looks much better, but that bear suit in ancient times just looks horrible.

And I would change the background of the Medieval era.

wow....

(p.s., are you trying to get a green-card or citizenship? :p ) ;)

Awesome... Civarmy! Love the ancient, medieval and industrial eras as well! In fact, it's them that will make me replace Sween's Eisenhower LH for the Americans. Great Bearskin a.k.a. Dubya... :lol:

thanks man!!! But what means this "dubya" that u Americans say all the time? :blush: local (some region) expression?


wow....

(p.s., are you trying to get a green-card or citizenship? )

I have my own citizenship, so, don't need the American one :) , but some day I'd like to visit (and learn more) with this great nation :D

"Dubya" is a nickname for Bush. It's a sort of corruption of "W" (if you say the letter's name).

BTW, Civ Army, I've now emailed you the Diplomacy text. Hope it works!

thanks man!!! But what means this "dubya" that u Americans say all the time? local (some region) expression?

"Dubya" is an alternative pronunciation of "double-u"(the letter W,) which of course is the middle initial of George W. Bush. This variation imitates the Southern dialect.

Which he must have picked up when he was the Governor of Texas, because, as stated, he is from Conneticut.

Well, maybe he was born there, but he lived in Texas most of his life, being born in a state doesn't mean your from their, where your heart is is where you truly are from. So enough talk about states(Not Texas of coarse) that should be part of Massachusetts, like Rhone Island(Who had the gal to try and take our Patriots away) or Conneticut. lol

I'm reliably informed by my good friend from Austin that George Bush is nothing but a *carpetbagger*! However, perhaps we'd better go no further down that route before it gets political...

and dubya sounds a bit slow and dumb... its used ain a derogatory sence

great leaderhead! you gonna tighten up the bear face tho?

You should replace the Bear Fur with some kind of Ancient European one. Most Americans, Like Brazilians, are from Europe, So It may be better to replace it with Phonician clothes! (there is some evidence that the Phonicians, and Carthaginians, in fact reached America.)

Well, the evidence isn't exactly very good, so that would be too contentious. In any case, whilst Bush isn't from Texas, he's *certainly* not from Europe!

Thanks for the classroom about the "dubya" :)

I saw this history of Phoeniceans/Cathargeans in Americas, some pottery of this civilization was found in nowadays Rio de Janeiro (Brazil) and nobody knows how these poterry vases have arrived there. Maybe the Europeans brought in Colonial Time, maybe the Phoeniceans, a good seafaring civ, were here centuries ago. Maybe the aliens :borg: briught it, u know, the ones that built the Pyramids :lol:

But I don't know it is a good idea dress Bush with Mid East clothes, I suggest use barbarians from England or Romanish Emperor. Anyone with more suggestions?

Personally, I would go with a Bedouin Nomad (from the Middle-East) look for the ancient era, but that's just because I love irony.
Seriously, I think that either the Native American look (with an improved bearskin) or a Roman Emperor would be best.

Or maybe an Egyptian God-Pharaoh.
Just kidding.

For the ancient era a fur cloak like Bismarck uses would look fine.

How about a different background for Medieval era? This is part of the Jefferson memorial, I think something like this might look better than that ship:

http://img196.exs.cx/img196/4668/jefferson7oj.jpg

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