truckingpete
stuck as a mac
Sucha Soorma
RegentMan

A repost of my debate answers :

Quote:
Originally Posted by ravensfire
Candidates,

1. What long-term techs would you like to see us go after?

2. What techs would you encourage us not to sell to neighbors?

-- Ravensfire


1) Well, the first question depends really on what type of game we want. It also deals with what the definition of "long term" is. Should long term be the end of the Ancient Age, I personally would like to see a quick trip to whatever government it is that we want. If long term is the end of the Middle Age, this would be Theory of Gravity and Economics. Should long term be defined as the Industrial Age, I would like to see a dash to the ToE. But, should (for some reason that is both bizzare and sensible at the same time) long term mean the Modern Age, I cannot forecast that. It is impossible to see now, without having even started, as to what our endgame goals are.

2) The Do Not Sell List is easy to make up once you have determined what you want to do. Normally, it consists of Iron Working, Literature, the techs directly before Philo and any governments. This covers all strategies of the Ancient Age. These should not be sold unless you are a) very far ahead b) have researched the tech for the next unit style or c) have obtained the Great Wonder or free tech from said technology.

I hope this iluminates my position.

Citizen SaaM

Originally Posted by Black_Hole
Questions for the Candidates:
1. Should we research ourselves or just let the AI do it?
2. What government should we aim to get, repubilc or monarchy?
3 How, if at all, should we utilize philospohy(philosopohy gives a free tech to the first to research it?
4. What type of tehcs should we prioritize? economic or militaristic?


1) Were this the Industrial age, I'd say let the AI do its thing and lets play broker. But, it isnt. This is the Ancient Age. We need to work for ourselves. How do we know we'll have neighbors? How do we know that even if we ahve them these neighbors will want to trade with us? How do we know we arent going to be stuck next to the Babylonians for the 6th straight time? Regardless of what occurs, we should deff. research ourself.

2) I, personally, am a fan of Republic. This games aims havent really been set yet. We dont know if we are going to go for conquest (which I do hope we're not, as games 2 and 4 were dom). Regardless, I still feel Republic is the wiser route.
But, we have another option now. What of feudalism? There are now three (eh.. four if you count the default). We have to think about this. My answer extends in the 3rd Q.

3) Ah, the Philo gamibt. One of my favorite. With this, you have the ability to gain a tech for free. Now, I feel we should deff. try for this one. It is possible to obtain Republic through these means, though I tend to use it for Literature. But, of course, thats another discussion. But yeah, we should go for the Philo gambit.

4) ECONOMIC TECHS. Let me repeat myself by adding a few more words. TECHS THAT HAVE AN ECONOMIC VALUE. Techs that only supply units are deadish ends. What good is having the ability to make the units if you cant support their upkeep, eh? Always take the peacetime techs before you go for a kill. Unless your AWing. Or have a really close neighbor that you need to wipe out. Or other cases that cant be determined prior to the game starting.

Citizen SaaM
(Rabbit Season!)

Once again, I'm SaaM and I am asking for your vote.
Thank you.

Good look everybody...:D
Every vote counts..:D

- TP

I know that most of you don't want to read through paragraphs and paragraphs of text, so I'll repost my answers to the debate questions in note form; for the voter on the run. :)

1. Should we research ourselves or just let the AI do it?
*Research ourselves.
*If we fall behind, research cheap techs until we can zip ahead.

2. What government should we aim to get, republic or monarchy?
*No/Tiny standing army: Republic.
*Medium/Big standing army: Monarchy.
*Republic's 2 gold/unit cost will kill us (only one free per town).

3. How, if at all, should we utilize philosophy?
*We shouldn't.
*Losing iron isn't worth the possibility of a free tech.

4. What type of techs should we prioritize: economic or militaristic?
*Iron working and the wheel.
*Look at the game and go from there.

5. What long-term techs would you like to see us go after?
*Iron working and the wheel.
*After that, look at the game and decide.
*Militaristic game = monarchy.
*Economic/Growth game = currency and construction
*Culture = literature.

6. What techs would you encourage us not to sell to neighbors?
*Iron working
*Monarchy
*The Republic
*Would like to hold on to the currency/construction combo.

I hope I've added a little variety to this race. I was the trade minister in DGIII and enjoyed it. Thanks to those who have voted already for me, I know that you won't be the last. Together, we can create a strong nation who has plentiful resources and happy citizens. So remember, when you go to the polls: vote RegentMan for Resource and Technology Consul.

Tough, tough decision! Everyone had good, reasoned answers - :goodjob: to everyone!

RegentMan though, just was more in my line of thinking.

-- Ravensfire

Chalk up another vote for RegentMan, in another difficult decision.

hmm Looks like Regent Man is gaining (now 12-9 after being 9-3 when I signed off last night)

Again, Regent Man is a resource industrialist , not a dreamy one, so I support him.

Ah, but dont count out my ability to do insane things / pull off victories in final moments.

SaaM

The technical underdog

SAAM, you are an excellent candidate too, and I was in serious doubt on who to pick.
But as England, resources will be key.

Well, we dont even know what we have yet, so it is impossible to delve into what plans we may be making for the resources.

And yeah, watch the RNG be cruel to us and give us an English style start (though that isnt necessairly all that cruel)

Exactly why wheel and iron are key.

Here is a generalisation of my campaign, and my answers to the questions posed. I am new only to the Demogame but very good on MP and Single Player c3c so you would be in safe hands.

*Take and hold tech lead
*Use tech lead to gain gold by selecting who to sell to and when.
*Give the civ options by not limiting our scope
*Tech and resources lead to stong army and understanding the overall game is imortant not theorising which tech is better to go for, as we go for all.

1. Should we research ourselves or just let the AI do it?

Research ourselves, and sell to the AI, loads of trade with AI so need to research in a line i.e. always going for most expensive tech as then we can trade it for loads of other techs with AI.

2. What government should we aim to get, republic or monarchy?

Monarchy, as it gives us more options, but Republic if there is no need for army and we have little contacts and can't trade techs.

3. How, if at all, should we utilize philosophy?

Philosophy will give us an early tech lead, with which we can get a free tech such as currency. We can then swap these expensive techs with AI and get all other techs.

4. What type of techs should we prioritize: economic or militaristic?

No prioritising, as we need both types, we will only prioritise in the game depending on the situation we are in.

5. What long-term techs would you like to see us go after?

Long term = Scientific Method as this can help us secure victory/ rescue defeat. Build theory of evolution get Atomic Theory and Electronics use this to build Hoover Dam and be on the way to complete domination in any form.

6. What techs would you encourage us not to sell to neighbors?

Bad way to look at it. If we dont sell the computer will trade anyway and we get nothing. We only dont sell if they get a resource that will help their military e.g. iron/rubber/oil, but again as they will get it anyway consul with the other leaders will be needed to decide if they are going to make a move and weigh up the options.

Thankyou for reading and voting, and good luck to all the candidates.

Well, Im not going to sum my questions i answered unless it'll make pick up 11 votes :D

Next term think i'll run for something else..but I'll be back :D :scan:

I think we all did very good!

:D

- TP

I have analyzed this election, and ideologically, it is a competition between Saams Philosophy/Literature and Republic strategy, vs Regent Mans resource Industrialist Wheel and Iron Working Strategy (to get resources on map).

In light of this, I reiterate my support for Regent Mans line, and will only endorse Saams candidacy if he also goes for resource techs first.

Maybe we should make a Political Analyst position. ;)

I have a feeling that any last minute/undecided voters may change this election. There's 76 signed up citizens and only 37 votes thus far. I had better go to bed so that I can see the situtation in the morning! By the by, I love political analysis (plural?). T'would be an interesting position.

ya never know.
and the pol analysis job would be cool.heck, id want it myself.

liberal rubbish!

(grin)

I want to ask the following:

1. I would like to see a proposed technology plan for Term One as Fanatannia from each candidate?

2 I would like to see what priority the candidates take to these technology lines.
Please rank these

Monarchy Tech line
Republic Tech Line
Iron-Currency Line
Philosophy
Wheel-Horsemen
Other Lines

3. What is most important, Resource Map or Government/Philosophy/Literature?

1. I would like to see a proposed technology plan for Term One as Fanatannia from each candidate?
I want to see the wheel researched first, but am flexible to see it second, or at the latest third. Following that, I want to get iron working at the absolute minimum time. Then we need to see where we stand from there.

2. I would like to see what priority the candidates take to these technology lines.
Please rank these

Monarchy Tech line
Republic Tech Line
Iron-Currency Line
Philosophy
Wheel-Horsemen
Other Lines
1. The wheel/horsemen line
2. Iron/Currency line
3. Monarchy line
4. The republic line
5. Philosophy

3. What is most important, Resource Map or Government/Philosophy/Literature?
Early on, we need to find and acquire as many strategic, luxury, and even bonus resources as possible. Once we get iron, horses, a few luxuries, and a handful of nice city sites, then we can begin thinking about other things. No use learning the passé composé before learning être/avoir, after all.

1. I would like to see a proposed technology plan for Term One as Fanatannia from each candidate?

Anything that the people want to research..well the majority. But I would say I would like to get to the wonders and the governments. Iron Working for sure.

2. I would like to see what priority the candidates take to these technology lines.
Please rank these:

Monarchy Tech line
Republic Tech Line
Iron-Currency Line
Philosophy
Wheel-Horsemen
Other Lines

1. Iron-Currency Line
2. Wheel-Horsemen
3. Monarchy Tech Line
4. Republic Tech Line
5. Philosophy

3. What is most important, Resource Map or Government/Philosophy/Literature?

Literature. Once we research more techs and the faster we can work on the resources, then government, then Philosophy.

- TP

I want to ask the following:

1. I would like to see a proposed technology plan for Term One as Fanatannia from each candidate?

2 I would like to see what priority the candidates take to these technology lines.
Please rank these

Monarchy Tech line
Republic Tech Line
Iron-Currency Line
Philosophy
Wheel-Horsemen
Other Lines

3. What is most important, Resource Map or Government/Philosophy/Literature?

1) As has been my platform for this entire election, I am a fan of the governments. Get us to the Republic would be my primary goal. We could trade with our neighbors (assuming we have them) for anything else. This will not be a 5CC, so it will not matter about finding the resources before our ammount of cities runs out. While I realize I will have to tailor this plan to whatever the WOTP may be, I still personally feel we should primarily go for the governments. This path also includes Philo (we could try for the Philo-Republic gambit) and Literature.

2) I am the governmental candidate. So, of course, my first line must be
The Republic Tech Line
Now, I do not feel that this second one should be considered a separate line. It may branch off sideways, but it is still part of the path:
Philosophy
Now, this next one I know may surprise people, but I'm not stupid. I know it has to be researched in a timely fashion.
Iron-Currency Line
Now, the next line I consider to be part of the last line, as its a prereq for it.
Wheel-Horsemen
I do not see us needing Monarchy, but the techs prior to it must be researched to end the age
Monarchy Tech line
Other Lines will come into play as they go.

3) Unlike my main opponent, I feel that the passé composé (have I mentioned I hate the French language? I just can't get it under my tongue like I can the other 4 Romance languages) is what we need. The basics can be taught to us. We can find them from barbarians and from less civilized cultures. We are the English, dammit. We are used to feeling like we own the place. We did at one time! (we just got lazy) And better yet, why am I using French words? Were the worlds biggest Francophobes. We want the meaty parts. Let us be the envy of the rest of the world with our advanced government and our culture! Let us be English!

Citizen SaaM

Who cant go wrong with out Stuck. Ill support him in this election :D.

It's 7pm. I congratulate Regent Man on a race well fought and I now urge everyone to put aside whatever diffeences there may be and unite behind me as your R&T Counsul.

SaaM
R&T C

Congrats everybody....we all did a very good job....though I came in last, I'm still a good sport...:D

Congrats SaaM!
Congrats Regent Man

- TP :goodjob:

Congrats SAAM, second thought, it may be best to spearhead for philsosophy and then add in Mapmaking and Literature in that order. Seafaring will be key in this game.

so are you appointing Regentman SaaM?
just to note that you can appoint any non elected official or deputy

Kudos to you, Stuck. It went from 9-3 to 12-9, and finally to 19-13. I enjoyed running against such a fine opponent. Too bad I ran out of breath.

I encourage all citizens to hear out SaaM's call of unity, but do not be afraid to speak your minds. I know I will still be moving to get the wheel and iron working discovered in a timely manner. If you disagree with any of his plans, stand up and post.

Hats off to truckingpete and Sucha_Soorma. It was nice to have a wide variety of candidates for the people to choose from. I enjoyed this election the most, mainly because of the variety. Thanks to you both.

And now I'll ride off into the sunset. I'll be posting and fighting to get those techs discovered; everyone else fight for your plans. But don't worry. I'll be back! Mark my words! Muhahaha!

I would like to thank all the people that took part and heard my vioce, and especially those that voted for me! I didn't actually realise this would be the most contested seat, but dont worry I'll be back next term, and as RegentMan said I'll be here too to give advice and get involved, this demogame looks like a good little thing. :goodjob:

Go Stuck As a Mac! (chipmuck yipees)