View Full Version : Term 1 President : The Great Experiment Begins
DaveShack Feb 25, 2005, 09:54 AM DaveShack steps up on a fallen log, looks over the assembled crowd, and says to himself "sure hope this works".
My fellow ... turns to aide and asks "What are we called?" to which the aide replies "we don't know that yet sir, just keep going" ... whatever we decide to call ourselves. I stand before you as we embark on this great experiment of organizing a "government" to say that I'm proud to lead our great -- um, nation, in building a new civilization which will stand the test of time. Mumbles, even if you selected me by taking a step back.
After our elections are done we can send out people a short distance in each direction to see what the surrounding land looks like, and then start planning our future. For now go on with your business, and choose your leaders wisely.
This brief message brought to you via my 2,000th post -- would have waited but didn't want to waste the commemorative edition. :)
To be updated with office information once the office has been organized.
DaveShack Feb 25, 2005, 09:56 AM Score in 2900 BC. We're dead last of the 4 civs we know, but this is not yet a cause for alarm given that the AIs start with a large advantage.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/DG6_BC2900_score.jpg
ravensfire Feb 25, 2005, 10:37 AM Congrats, DaveShack!
I'm looking forward to another productive first term!
-- Ravensfire
MOTH Feb 25, 2005, 12:19 PM I just had to spam a little bit in some other threads, but I can now congratulate your 2000th post with me 1000th!
Provolution Feb 25, 2005, 03:27 PM Congratulations King Daveshack.
I will propose the following six Capital names.
Camelot (honoring Cycs Camelot Award)
Cumalot (If our nation becomes Fanassex)
Sixpence (DG 6 and British cap)
London
Triumph City
Metropolis
Black_Hole Feb 25, 2005, 03:31 PM I still like the idea for city name brought up from last game: "Dave's Shack"
Provolution Feb 25, 2005, 06:14 PM Daveshack, you need to appoint a Vice President (suggest DZ who runs City Naming Office) and I exerpted this from the Constitution for the city naming list.
1. President Daveshack, TBD
2. Vice President Vacant
3. Consul for Domestic Policy - pending, MOTH likely to win, name TBD
4. Consul for External Policy - pending Tim bentley vs. Ulyanoth, name TBD
5. Consul for Cultural Policy - pending Provolution likely to win, Provolutia
6. Consul for Resources and Technology Policy - tough race, TBD
1. Commander of Armed Forces - Civgeneral, Anguilla
2. Director of Commerce - Octavian X, TBD
3. Director of Infrastructure - Chieftess, TBD
4. Director of Expansion - Snipelfritz, Pantsburg
5. Governors - pending, Noldodan vs. Ginger Ale, Halls of Mandas, Ela Springs
Chief Justice Black Hole, The Black Hole
Public Defender Ravensfire, Madness
JA close race Ashburnham, Curufinwe and mhcarver, TBD
Nobody Feb 25, 2005, 07:06 PM dave shack why dont you appoint me, go on, i will be a good vice president
Black_Hole Feb 25, 2005, 07:52 PM I agree that DZ would be an excellent Vice President
Nobody Feb 26, 2005, 12:30 AM no blackheart, you mean nobody. not donovan, nobody
Black_Hole Feb 26, 2005, 07:28 AM no blackheart, you mean nobody. not donovan, nobody
well if you want to get my support, first you shouldnt mix me up with blackheart ;)
Provolution Feb 26, 2005, 08:53 AM For some odd reason, Black_hole and Blackheart are mixed up :D
Chieftess Feb 26, 2005, 10:40 AM well if you want to get my support, first you shouldnt mix me up with blackheart ;)
And I thought CivRules and CivCube were confusing...
blackheart Feb 26, 2005, 11:40 AM I think nobody is a little schizophrenic... ;)
But I'll nominate myself! Of course, I have no C3C so that may be a problem.
DaveShack Feb 26, 2005, 02:53 PM VP applications will be taken by PM, please include at least the following information:
Do you support the alternative government experiment?
What is the highest level you win on regularly?
Are you willing and able to conduct play sessions in the event I'm not available?
If yes, what dates and times are you available?
Do you think the Vice President should have specified, regular resopnsibilities?
Are you planning to take on any other responsibilities this term?
What qualities make you a better candidate than others who may apply?
What do you think are your weaknesses, in the forum and in the game?
Looking forward to hearing from you. :D
Equal Opportunity employer
DaveShack Feb 26, 2005, 03:51 PM I am pleased to announce that Donovan Zoi is appointed to lead the Naming Office. :D
His consistent support of citizens rights and Demogame traditions, as well as proven record of hard work and dedication to the game, make him the perfect choice to handle this very important aspect of Demogame culture.
As one of his first tasks, I would like to ask DZ to name the naming office and organize its affairs. The naming office will oversee all citizen-originated naming activities, including both city and unit names. The head of the naming office may accept citizen volunteers and delegate subsets of the office's duties as needed.
RoboPig Feb 26, 2005, 04:12 PM So if Donovan is in naming does nobody become VP
Donovan Zoi Feb 26, 2005, 05:46 PM I am pleased to announce that Donovan Zoi is appointed to lead the Naming Office. :D
His consistent support of citizens rights and Demogame traditions, as well as proven record of hard work and dedication to the game, make him the perfect choice to handle this very important aspect of Demogame culture.
As one of his first tasks, I would like to ask DZ to name the naming office and organize its affairs. The naming office will oversee all citizen-originated naming activities, including both city and unit names. The head of the naming office may accept citizen volunteers and delegate subsets of the office's duties as needed.
I serve at the pleasure of the President. :)
That said, I would like to thank President DaveShack for granting me the responsibilty of bringing order to some of the intangibles of this game. The Notary of Names and Titles will open tomorrow morning, with a City Naming Order list coming once the elections have finished. I will also be consulting our Constitution for my exact duties, and will work hard to correct any conflicting laws that may exist regarding this office. I also plan to open a discussion thread for other ideas I have that I think would make the game more fun, but would require the public's support.
I have also noticed my name being thrown about as a possible Vice-Presidential candidate. While I am honored by the nominations, I had made a decision some time ago that my main focus of DG6 would be to work as a citizen to bring more information to the forums. I am not ruling out a possible run for office in the future, but first things first. Hopefully, the NNT is only the beginning.
Respectfully,
Donovan Zoi
Notary of Names and Titles
CivGeneral Feb 26, 2005, 06:57 PM Do you support the alternative government experiment?
Hmm, I am curious on why this question is being asked :confused:.
DaveShack Feb 26, 2005, 07:09 PM Hmm, I am curious on why this question is being asked :confused:.
If an answer is inconsistent with other publically available info then I would know something is fishy. ;)
No bias on my part, if that's what you're worried about. :D
CivGeneral Feb 27, 2005, 01:53 AM If an answer is inconsistent with other publically available info then I would know something is fishy. ;)
No bias on my part, if that's what you're worried about. :D
*Phew* I thought for a moment there that there would be "witch hunts" for people who are against the alternative government.
Provolution Feb 27, 2005, 09:38 AM I think everyone knows it is a 50-50 support, with a large group in the middle that want to do a couple of tweaks. I really support the strateic-tactical layer, but see the need for a Cabinet reshuffle in line with our new Civ choice and other challenges.
blackheart Feb 27, 2005, 11:47 AM I think everyone knows it is a 50-50 support, with a large group in the middle that want to do a couple of tweaks. I really support the strateic-tactical layer, but see the need for a Cabinet reshuffle in line with our new Civ choice and other challenges.
Why don't we have a survey poll after the first term to see how well people thought things went with this new government?
Provolution Feb 27, 2005, 11:54 AM Well I do agree, we need to make a survey poll, but at the same time consider amendments as the month goes by.
ravensfire Feb 27, 2005, 12:36 PM I think everyone knows it is a 50-50 support, with a large group in the middle that want to do a couple of tweaks.
No, the last poll has a 19-26-4 split (Traditional - Alternate - Abstain). Your numbers are off.
-- Ravensfire
DaveShack Feb 27, 2005, 12:48 PM I am in favor of spontaneous feedback as the game progresses, and periodic process checks which identify things which are working well, missing, and not working. The model I use for that is called GROW (Goal, Reality, Options, Will-do).
We know the Goal is to play a fun game of C3C via a democratic process. Feedback from the people identifies the Reality of how it's going. Then (and only then) we should consider Options to continue the things which work well, modify the things which don't, and add the things which are missing. Will-do in this environment is the ratification poll, which comes last, only after we have come up with options which specifically address problems.
We need to make sure our process checks are timely enough to react to circumstances but not so burdensome that they detract from the game itself. This means that spontaneous feedback (interrupt driven) is the way to go, rather than continuous polling.
Provolution Feb 27, 2005, 12:59 PM 40-60 then Ravensfire, but we need to bring the full support to 70 % and listen to the minority here.
blackheart Feb 27, 2005, 02:04 PM 40-60 then Ravensfire, but we need to bring the full support to 70 % and listen to the minority here.
60% is a good lead though, considering the controversial nature of it.
Provolution Feb 27, 2005, 02:10 PM Indeed, I supported it in the outset, but I see it still has some room for improvement.
Strider Feb 27, 2005, 03:33 PM 60% is a good lead though, considering the controversial nature of it.
Actually it's close to about 53%. Not a good lead at all.
Black_Hole Feb 27, 2005, 04:13 PM Actually it's close to about 53%. Not a good lead at all.
and tactical is actually about 38% not 40%
Provolution Feb 27, 2005, 04:39 PM No need to hassle about margins. What is important, the Alternate Proposal has a majority support, but a sizable proportion, also including Alternate Proposal supporters, look forward to Constitutional Amendments.
One sympthom is the uneven interests in offices during elections, some elections got very many contestants, and others had problems to get real options either due to a lack of powers to an office, lack of interesting tasks to an office and finally certain relational rupture points between strategic and tactical levels.
One can of course go into denial to this problem, but that would be more pathological than constructive.
DaveShack Feb 27, 2005, 05:28 PM No need to quibble over the numbers. :)
As I said, we will need to evaluate our progress and make adjustments as necessary. The same would be true if we were using the traditional rules.
Chieftess Feb 27, 2005, 07:07 PM DaveShack - can you post a turnchat schedule?
DaveShack Mar 01, 2005, 10:19 PM I am pleased to announce the appointment of Donsig as Vice President.
To all the candidates, thank you very much for your interest in this position. :) It was a very difficult choice, I started writing this post several different times, and had written in each of the candidates at one point or another.
DaveShack Mar 01, 2005, 10:28 PM I would like to announce the following administrative office appointments.
Strider, to lead the Elections Office
Eklekticos to lead the Polling Standards Commission, if he will accept :)
mhcarver, YNCS, Black_hole, and Donovan Zoi as members of the Polling Standards Commission
Still looking for volunteers for the Information Office and Chat Office, see the call for appointments thread. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=113069)
CivGeneral Mar 01, 2005, 10:36 PM I would like to announce the following administrative office appointments.
Strider, to lead the Elections Office
Eklekticos to lead the Polling Standards Commission, if he will accept :)
mhcarver, YNCS, Black_hole, and Donovan Zoi as members of the Polling Standards Commission
Still looking for volunteers for the Information Office and Chat Office, see the call for appointments thread. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=113069)
Are there any restrictions on Elected personel from applying for the volunteership?
DaveShack Mar 02, 2005, 01:55 AM Are there any restrictions on Elected personel from applying for the volunteership?
No restrictions as far as I'm concerned. The Constitution, such as it is, refers to (or would refer to) holding only one elected office, but nothing about non-elected offices. :D
CivGeneral Mar 02, 2005, 02:01 AM No restrictions as far as I'm concerned. The Constitution, such as it is, refers to (or would refer to) holding only one elected office, but nothing about non-elected offices. :D
That is good news :D, I have already send you my application after reading your message :).
Black_Hole Mar 02, 2005, 03:39 PM I accept my appointment :)
DaveShack Mar 03, 2005, 09:44 AM CivGeneral is appointed to lead the Chat Office.
Ravensfire is appointed to lead the Information Office.
Donsig has expressed an interest in serving in the Information Office in addition to being Vice President.
Others who wish to join an office may contact that office via posting in its thread.
ravensfire Mar 03, 2005, 10:09 AM I am pleased to announce the appointment of Donsig as Vice President.
To all the candidates, thank you very much for your interest in this position. :) It was a very difficult choice, I started writing this post several different times, and had written in each of the candidates at one point or another.
Congrats to donsig!
You've got a great team assembled, DS - this should be a great term!
-- Ravensfire
Provolution Mar 04, 2005, 01:30 AM This city should be indeed called Camelot, it fits with the luxuries, bonus resources, river and bountiful land and somewhat borealic terrain. It also honors the Cyc awards.
MOTH Mar 04, 2005, 09:03 PM Mr President,
I would like to request that the next chat be postponed until a later time. There is no concensus at this point on where we should settle. There seems to be some concensus on building a warrior and then curragh.
There is also no TCIT or instructions as near as I can tell.
Chieftess Mar 04, 2005, 09:04 PM Please post the turnchat thread, seeing that it's only 12 hours left. (granted, those of us on the east coast might find it hard to post while sleeping..)
*Remembers Disorganizer wanting to jump on the oppurtunity to create a PI just because I didn't post a turnchat thread while I was sleeping. :)
DaveShack Mar 04, 2005, 09:10 PM The initial chat is postponed until Monday 3/7, 3pm PST (5PM EST, 10PM GMT) to allow suffficient time for planning.
Ginger_Ale Mar 05, 2005, 06:27 AM Yes! Thank you - I woke up early today to put up my tcit threads - two days wasn't really enough. And I still can make Monday's turnchat. :)
Chieftess Mar 05, 2005, 06:46 AM And I'll be coming home from work during Monday's chat.
Provolution Mar 06, 2005, 03:18 AM Well, Donsig is not eligible for Vice President, not having signed in the citizen thread before 1 March. The Judiciary should follow the law and ask for a registered citizen to be nominated by the President (registered prior to March 1. ) and respect the law and the citizen registry list.
Chieftess Mar 06, 2005, 07:18 AM hmm, I thought anyone could be nominated as long as they signed up. I don't think there should be a cut-off date. What about those who join mid-term? Are they going to be forced to wait a whole term? If only those registered before March 1st can be nominated, then that's pretty restrictive.
Donovan Zoi Mar 06, 2005, 09:00 AM With no laws in place, we should let it slide this time. But I see Provo's point because ideally the President should have named a VP on March 1st. I think if someone is appointed to fill a mid-term vacancy, then the restriction should not apply as long as the citizen is registered at the time.
Provolution Mar 06, 2005, 11:38 AM DZ I remember you from last game wanting a citizen approval poll for every conceivable contested decision, and to follow the law.
This should definitively be done here as well, unless the Pesident picks a registered citizen prior to 1 March. I suggest this to be handed in for Judicial review, all the other registered and rejected Vice Presidential candidates that have been rejected to benotified by public announcement and PMs and to have an open Judicial Review on the Matter. DZ, you learnt me to protect citizen rights and the rules, and even though you are a close PBEM buddy to the nominated VP as your signature suggests, I firmyl believe in the equality of the Law.
I therefore deem the nominated VP as illegtimate by the Constitution and Appoinment Laws and call for a new appointment.
I also cannot see the nominated VP register yet, at all.
Dominik Mar 06, 2005, 01:35 PM Now I'm not the most familiar with laws, but if the law says that the VP must have signed up before March 1st and the VP in question hasn't, then they should not be VP. Otherwise, what's the point for these laws?
Provolution Mar 06, 2005, 01:37 PM Dominik, indeed they do. We need a new VP nomination.
Black_Hole Mar 06, 2005, 01:37 PM Now I'm not the most familiar with laws, but if the law says that the VP must have signed up before March 1st and the VP in question hasn't, then they should not be VP. Otherwise, what's the point for these laws?
well first off we have no laws saying there is a DP, president, or vice president, or any other position.... These are in the ratifacation process... It is very very hard for me to give a concise opinion, because we have constitution articles lying all over the forum
TimBentley Mar 06, 2005, 01:37 PM I'm not concerned about the time of registration, but I also do not see donsig in the citizen registry.
Provolution Mar 06, 2005, 01:39 PM WEll it is a no-brainer, Donsig did not register at all by the timeof the appointment, so a new appointment needs to be made based on the registry prior to 1. of March.
We need to repsect the election times and due procedure or we will get anarchy.
Black_Hole Mar 06, 2005, 01:47 PM I would suggest someone file a JR over this matter
Ginger_Ale Mar 06, 2005, 01:51 PM What is the point of a JR? Can we not just have donsig sign up in the Citizen Registry and be VP? We don't have to turn this into something more than it is.
Provolution Mar 06, 2005, 02:01 PM Ginger Ale, this is a government simulation, and without that a mere succession game.
Without laws, we wouldhave no Judiciary. I know you are not into legalities and politics Ginger Ale but respect those of us wanting this to be a civilized game.
ravensfire Mar 06, 2005, 02:10 PM Worst case, DS reappoints donsig as VP. Life goes on.
Provo - relax - there is no malicious intent here.
-- Ravensfire
Provolution Mar 06, 2005, 02:19 PM Worst case, DZ reappoints donsig as VP. Life goes on.
Provo - relax - there is no malicious intent here.
-- Ravensfire
Ravensfire, DZ is not the president and cannot reappoint anyone.
mhcarver Mar 06, 2005, 02:32 PM Provo you knew he meant DS just as well as everyone else, it won't kill you to quiet down for a while and then file your JR, it's not like this will cause the gov't to collapse if it isn't ruled on immediately
Provolution Mar 06, 2005, 02:35 PM Well, with no citizen partipation in the Judiciary, we would get poorer laws and poorer application of the laws, I will not let a blind eye to the legal handling this game, but do my best to perfect the system and the laws. I also do this to make the game more accessible and fair to all of the citizens.
ravensfire Mar 06, 2005, 02:42 PM Provo you knew he meant DS just as well as everyone else, it won't kill you to quiet down for a while and then file your JR, it's not like this will cause the gov't to collapse if it isn't ruled on immediately
:blush: DOH! Touch-typing miscue!
My apologies to DS and DZ!
Yes, DS is who I meant.
-- Ravensfire
ravensfire Mar 06, 2005, 02:45 PM Well, with no citizen partipation in the Judiciary, we would get poorer laws and poorer application of the laws, I will not let a blind eye to the legal handling this game, but do my best to perfect the system and the laws. I also do this to make the game more accessible and fair to all of the citizens.
Provo - a much nicer way to handle this would have been a simple - "Hey, donsig, I noticed you hadn't registered as a citizen yet. Could you do that real quick?"
Problem solved. The courts should not be the first way to handle every single problem. Respect your fellow citizens, of which donsig is most definitely one.
-- Ravensfire
Ginger_Ale Mar 06, 2005, 02:47 PM :goodjob:, ravensfire. Exactly what should be done.
Provolution Mar 06, 2005, 03:30 PM Provo - a much nicer way to handle this would have been a simple - "Hey, donsig, I noticed you hadn't registered as a citizen yet. Could you do that real quick?"
Problem solved. The courts should not be the first way to handle every single problem. Respect your fellow citizens, of which donsig is most definitely one.
-- Ravensfire
Sorry, I realized this past the election, and I have a bad record with PMs, as several so-called leading citizens have not responded to my justified and well founded PMs. I also see that several of said prominent citizens would rather use namecalling or verbal traps than PMs to help out my proposals or statements, in fact, I have only seen DS, Cyc, MhCarver, Rik and a couple of others respect my PMs continuously. However,I am pointing out a very serious flaw in the constitution, and I am all fine with Donsig signing up, and have a consular vote AND a public approval poll. In fact, I support Donsig as well among all the candidates, but I want the process to be done right.
Also, respecting fellow citizensis a two way venue. Several candidates for VP (myself not included) were not selected in spite of registry issues. As this was a contested position, fair play and procedure is essential. I also know that comraderie among all timers is prevalent, and hard to handle with reference to integrity, accountability, equal treatment and respect for the mechanisms that make this a democracy simulation, in which signing up before elections is essential. I see people posting 2 minutes after the nomination threads are closed are not eligible for election, I see harsh Draconian measures meted out by a vigilant Judiciary in order to balance out key laws, rules and regulations. I also do see cronyism in handling these laws, and find it very interesting how real life dynamics manifests itself in the forums as well. I am sorry, but I will not make life easy just to be easy, but to
hammer down the laws and application of said laws in the most objective, fair , transparent and law and time abiding manner possible.
Sorry I do not want a Bartertown community as seen in Mad MAsx, but someone got to watch the procedures.
I also noted people hammering people voting in the polls not seen in the citizen registry. Becoming a non citizen VP is way way worse than a non-citizen voting in a poll. I will point this out to people, and you got basically five choices.
1. Discredit me through flames, trolling and the usual Kafka-machine, try to contain me to make the case fizzle out and forget all about it. However, this method is risky, as I will be very loose on triggering the report button..
2. Suspend the VP position for a mid term Consular vote and then run a citizen approval poll per constitution (citizenship required)
3. Write into the constitution that non-citizens may run for office, and face the consequences later on.
4. Recognize the problem, and find cooperative and creative ways to solve it outside the constitution.
5. Make a full JR to reestablish trust in the system and correct all of the black holes in the constitution. Then run approval polls on amendments AND the appointment of the new VP.
Finally, I do not like the attitude that pursuing legitimacy in the system is oonsidered being a troublemaking act, especially in such a sensitive, fundamental issue on the very basics of the DG, citizenship, elected positions,
equality to the law, the right to information and the right to participate.
Of course you like it comfortable, and dislike questioning the quality, integrity and equality of the worked out laws, and the fair application of it,
I am also most certain I would get a trace of forum pirhanas if I ever went outside my mandates and legal authorities. I also see a clear lack of intent to cooperate from the Judiciary.
DaveShack Mar 06, 2005, 09:02 PM Wow, a guy takes a few hours away from the computer for a kid's birthday party and all hades breaks loose... ;)
There is no conspiracy, and for my part of the situation donsig not being in the registry is at most an oversight. I can't speak to his part of the situation.
On the legality of the appointment, we have had cases of nominations being accepted by non-registered people, and typically the problem is resolved by having that person register. Nominations have to be explicitly accepte in public. Likewise this same principle should be used for appointments. I will set a 24 hour time for donsig to register and accept the appointment, after which the appointment must be assumed to be unaccepted, and a new candidate will be chosen.
There were three candidates who applied via PM. The choice was a very difficult one because all three are unable to serve as DP at present (don't have Conquests) and have somewhat similar interests. I had written draft appointment announcements for all three at various times. I finally decided on donsig because his interest in making sure that citizens have full information in the forum coincided with one of the things I was hoping a vice president could do.
Provolution, you had a better mechanism of challenging this appointment at your disposal. Just post an approval poll "do you approve of this appointment Y/N/A?", private, and 48 hour duration.
Provolution Mar 06, 2005, 09:06 PM Daveshack, thank you for letting me know about the other option, but Iam not after you Daveshack or Donsig. All I want to do is for us to get Donsig in Mid Term 15 March, and let the Consuls approve him in an orderly fashion. That would require less hassle.
My main target with all this is to patch up the Constitution, and I do so in a very direct fashion. I want no collateral damage from this, merely to patch up the black holes in the constitution.
Daveshackl, besides, your 24 hours past the nomination already passed, no acceptance was made in the duration of 24 hours. So you need to renominate someone. In fact, I would nominate Tim Bentley for the job.
Provolution Mar 06, 2005, 09:39 PM I am pleased to announce the appointment of Donsig as Vice President.
To all the candidates, thank you very much for your interest in this position. :) It was a very difficult choice, I started writing this post several different times, and had written in each of the candidates at one point or another.
March 02. 05.19. AM CET.
Now, 24 hours following this date.... is March 03. 05.19. AM CET
We are now at March 07- 04.39. Soon exactly four days have passed since the VP shouldhave publicly accepted the appointment thread. In fact, we have a separate appointment thread. .
DaveShack Mar 06, 2005, 09:51 PM March 02. 05.19. AM CET.
Now, 24 hours following this date.... is March 03. 05.19. AM CET
We are now at March 07- 04.39. Soon exactly four days have passed since the VP shouldhave publicly accepted the appointment thread. In fact, we have a separate appointment thread. .
Umm, if we had a rule requiring appointments to be accepted within 24 hours, which we don't, it would merely give the appointer the ability to withdraw the appointment. It would not mandate the appointment be withdrawn. At present, we don't even have a rule which mandates a VP must be appointed.
I'm using a 24 hour period starting when it was brought to my attention that the appointment would be invalid. In the absense of applicable law, the President needs to act decisively, but fairly.
Provolution Mar 06, 2005, 10:20 PM DS
I found more wisdom in your handling of the dilemma, which others tried to ignore or minimize, but Donsig has not posted for a long while, and VP is quite important.
24 hours i fair, but does not omit the fact we need to pass an amendment on appointments, citizenship and deadlines, as well as back up solutions.
Ginger_Ale Mar 07, 2005, 02:55 PM I have 1 hour to prepare for an additional 10 turns that I learned would be held today. Great. :(
Next time DS, if you plan to do this, please give us more notice time!!
Black_Hole Mar 07, 2005, 07:47 PM Mr. President,
JR#1 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2607570&postcount=2) has been completed, you may now reappoint donsig(who has registered) to the position of Vice President, if you so desire.
The Office of the Chief Justice
blackheart Mar 07, 2005, 08:21 PM I'm still available to be VP *hint hint* ;)
Strider Mar 07, 2005, 08:34 PM hmm... Daveshack, may I recommend Donsig for the Vice Presidential poistion? :lol:
Provolution Mar 07, 2005, 08:37 PM I also Recommend Nobody :D and Donsig :D and Blackheart :D
And may no one forget the Citizen Registry again.
Black_Hole Mar 07, 2005, 08:46 PM hmm... Daveshack, may I recommend Donsig for the Vice Presidential poistion? :lol:
didnt see that one coming ;)
Provolution Mar 07, 2005, 08:49 PM Now, I wonder, if it was a very hard choice then, is it an easier choice now ?
DaveShack Mar 07, 2005, 10:10 PM Actually, I'm inclined to reopen applications for the job. In particular a certain non-candidate in the presidential election might be seen as a favorable applicant. My thinking is that it may be a mistake to have a VP who does not have conquests, though this does not automatically exclude any of the existing applicants. ;)
Provolution Mar 07, 2005, 10:12 PM I nominate Civanator. That would be sort of just and fair.
CivGeneral Mar 07, 2005, 10:23 PM I would second Civanator.
DaveShack Mar 07, 2005, 10:59 PM A summary of the first substantial turnchat has been posted in the turnchat summary thread. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=112542) All citizens are invited to comment here (not in the summary thread) on the level of detail presented, as the purpose of this thread is to provide you with the information you need to evaluate play and make suggestions for further sessions. If there are a lot of comments, I might need to move that discussion to its own thread, but we'll see what happens. :)
DaveShack Mar 08, 2005, 11:31 PM I'm so confused... Is Donsig already the VP, or does another appointment need to be made? To prevent any further controversy (hopefully), I re-appoint Donsig as the Vice President, just in case I misunderstood the rulings.
Black_Hole Mar 09, 2005, 07:54 AM I'm so confused... Is Donsig already the VP, or does another appointment need to be made? To prevent any further controversy (hopefully), I re-appoint Donsig as the Vice President, just in case I misunderstood the rulings.
donsig wasnt legally Vice President, now after your above post he is(you reappointed him)
Congrats Donsig!
blackheart Mar 09, 2005, 04:14 PM I demand a vote recount, I coulda sworn I was VP :P
DaveShack Mar 09, 2005, 09:00 PM The play session scheduled for Thursday 3/10 has been cancelled due to ongoing discussions. Play will resume as scheduled on Sunday 3/13.
DaveShack Mar 10, 2005, 02:07 PM Can we maybe get a Chat Office thread started? There may be a large number of newcomers who need the information on how to find #turnchat, etiquitte, etc. Also if CT can add the Chat Director as an op or maybe admin it would be handy.
I'd also like a little help with directing discussion not related to current play events to the #demogame room.
Nobody Mar 11, 2005, 07:08 PM as there is no clear vp i here by appoint myself Vice President.
And law Constitution article C - Section 4.
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ravensfire Mar 11, 2005, 07:13 PM as there is no clear vp i here by appoint myself Vice President.
And law Constitution article C - Section 4.
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Good joke! Article 4 of the Constitution is quoted below ...
Article C. The government will consist of four branches: Strategic
Branch, Tactical Branch, Judicial Branch, and the General
Assembly,
And, look at this post (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2610687&postcount=85)!
-- Ravensfire
Black_Hole Mar 11, 2005, 08:25 PM and I hereby pull out a machine gun and create order
classical_hero Mar 12, 2005, 10:12 AM Even though it is early in the game. I think that we should have some discussion about Great leaders and what to do with them, once we get them. Obviously one thread for each type of leader.
Chieftess Mar 12, 2005, 04:11 PM Scientific Great Leaders are still a little buggy when it comes to science. So, they're really only good for rushing wonders. MGLs are only good for building an army now.
Nobody Mar 12, 2005, 10:56 PM or a small wonder, like a forbidin palace (which are also buggy now but that dosent matter)
CivGeneral Mar 12, 2005, 11:57 PM Can we maybe get a Chat Office thread started? There may be a large number of newcomers who need the information on how to find #turnchat, etiquitte, etc. Also if CT can add the Chat Director as an op or maybe admin it would be handy.
I'd also like a little help with directing discussion not related to current play events to the #demogame room.
The thread is up and running :).
DaveShack Mar 13, 2005, 12:52 AM Even though it is early in the game. I think that we should have some discussion about Great leaders and what to do with them, once we get them. Obviously one thread for each type of leader.
A thread for discussing MGLs (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=114137) is now open.
DaveShack Mar 16, 2005, 08:05 AM Turnchat summary has been posted in the instruction thread, I'll copy it to the overall summary thread later. We met Persia in turn 3, and play stopped.
With the citizens permission I would like to continue this play session after a decision on trades is available, and prior to the next scheduled session -- or move the next session earlier.
Bertie Mar 16, 2005, 10:03 AM With the citizens permission I would like to continue this play session after a decision on trades is available, and prior to the next scheduled session -- or move the next session earlier.
I support either option. My preference would be to continue this play session once trade instructions are received, then hold the next session at its scheduled time.
MOTH Mar 16, 2005, 03:43 PM I also agree with continuing the sessions once trades are decided.
donsig Mar 16, 2005, 04:45 PM Turnchat summary has been posted in the instruction thread, I'll copy it to the overall summary thread later. We met Persia in turn 3, and play stopped.
With the citizens permission I would like to continue this play session after a decision on trades is available, and prior to the next scheduled session -- or move the next session earlier.
It's later. ;)
I was just stopping by to see if there had been a game play session on Sunday. As a representative of the Information Office would you please add the summary to the turnchat summary thread?
BTW, am I VP? :confused:
DaveShack Mar 16, 2005, 05:21 PM Summaries for Sunday and today have been posted. Yes Donsig, you are the VP. :)
Provolution Mar 16, 2005, 05:32 PM I applaud whatever and hope I go in peace in the street without being attacked by the secret police.
donsig Mar 17, 2005, 06:21 PM I applaud whatever and hope I go in peace in the street without being attacked by the secret police.
Who told you about the secret police? That's supposed to be a secret! :mischief:
mhcarver Mar 17, 2005, 07:23 PM Who told you about the secret police? That's supposed to be a secret! :mischief:
Its that damn muckraker at the inquisitor I tell you :lol: , well he may have gotten the Don sent away but he'll get out someday, these strange "italians" have very quite a bit of patience.
Provolution Mar 18, 2005, 02:07 AM May I request multiple screenies, overview and close ups, as well as all the Advisor screens posted on the forums. 20 turns have passed , and we badly need updates.
Donovan Zoi Mar 19, 2005, 01:35 AM Mr. President,
Please accept my resignation (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2636021&postcount=26) from the position of Notary of Names and Titles, effective March 31st, 2005.
My thanks to you for granting me this position, and my apologies for not conducting my office in a manner worthy of your appointment.
Respectfully,
Donovan Zoi
Notary of Names and Titles
mhcarver Mar 19, 2005, 05:32 PM Mr. President
In the COL(I think it , might the constitution) it says that anyone may self nominate themselves for a position in the elections office thread before elections begin, since I can't seem to find an EO thread I would like to post my self nomination here since I am on spring break and will be inconcistently checking the computer. Here it is
I self nominate myself for the position of Judge Advocate and accept (if my sig didn't tell you)
edit: sorry ignore this, spoke to soon
Octavian X Mar 24, 2005, 03:41 PM Mr. President, I'd like to request that the turnchat scheduled for Friday be moved back by a day. I'm about to post a poll important about our research after writing, and they are coming belatedly since I've only now had a good chance to post them. I think it would be best if they could be open for at least 24 hours, but the upcoming TC won't allow that. Thanks.
donsig Mar 26, 2005, 07:29 AM Mr. President,
Is the turn chat summary thread up to date? I've heard rumors that someone knows something abut writing but there is nothing in the summary thread about it.
Also, when you so the summaries wuld you please include the game years the summary applies to?
Thanks,
donsig
VP :)
RegentMan Mar 28, 2005, 01:19 AM When will the first turnchat of term two be? I'd like to see a nice chunk of time between Tuesday's and the next so that the new government can get discussions and polls going and get comfortable in their positions.
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