goz8 -Silence is Golden is/was a truly epic game, have a look yourself what you could potentially face. This is a tough game right from the start, surely a cliffhanger, but we would never give up. So, you need to be comfortable on deity, I guess.

Since, this is a pangaea game, I lowered difficulty to DG. If we succeed, deity could be an option next time.

This game is sort of semi-defiant. Rules

1. We may never initiate discussions with AI or start trading. Only if the AI starts to open the dialog box, are we allowed to start trading and haggling.

2. We have the option to boot the AI off our territory, it is not a must, but can be used. However, this means strictly booting only without starting negotiations.

3. We are not allowed to purposely enter enemy territory to get booted in order to start negotiations. If we enter enemy territory and get the boot, we will NOT start negotiations

4. We will never give in to AI demands, but are allowed to make peace, even if it costs us some gold.

5. We are not allowed to use mapstat or open dialog box to check AI's resources etc. I trust members to respect that rules.

6. No embassies established by us, spies are wanted for steals later on

7. Alliances or RoP, trade embargos are allowed.

8. The usual house rules apply, reputation is golden etc.


World size = small
Pangaea = 60% ocean
Barbs = sendentary
Climate, Temperature, Age = Random
Civ = scientific, but to be decided
Opponents = Random
SGL and cultural linked starts = off
AI aggression = Normal


Now, who is daring to join this game? I have 3 spots reserved, though I know these guys are busy. Looking for 6 players in total.

Checking in. As far as civs go all the scientific friends seem fine, aside from Sumeria(still playing as them) and Byzantines as the Dromon would be a lot less usefull on Pangea.

Russia does well with Panagea, especially larger maps. Not sure how set you are on the "small" parameter.

Russia was my choice as well, so it is set. their UU is powerful, and we might need it badly.

Roster

ThERat
Kaiser_Berger
Bezhukov (is that a sign up, I really value your comments, so hope its a 'yes')
open slot
open slot
open slot

3 starts to select
a:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/silence1.jpg

b:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/silence2.jpg

c:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/silence3.jpg

Russia sounds good. Cossacks are leader machines, which means we should have no problem having some military might, provided we get that far. Knowing the nature of the variant, we'll end up with horses as far away as iron was in Goz8.

tagged (not a signup. as explained, signed up for microbe's game already) good luck! hope you fair better in the resource department ;)

C seems nice for a food rich start. B also seems acceptable, with the river and nearby luxury.

@KB, thanks for the input, still waiting for some more players to sign up. what's up people? nobody game for this one?

too many chickens in the pot right now. I'll join later if you need an idiot sub. If you need a prequel, see gram's prodigal son game. this sounds alot alike. good luck.

ok, to get some more players to join, I started this game with 20 turns


save (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/rat03-3000BC.SAV)

1.4000BC
send out scout and found Moskow on the spot, start another scout
since we might not be able to trade start on research IW at max, we must know where the resources are

3.3900BC
spot spices in the east and lots of jungle

5.3800BC
spot Carthage in the east

8.3650BC
get CB from a hut

10.3550BC
our 2nd scout meets Japan in the north

12.3400BC
send out final scout to the south, start a settler

16.3200BC
we learn mysticism from another hut in the north

20.3000BC
found St Petersburg next to cow
Japan and Carthage are awfully close
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/silence3000.jpg
IW in 10, we need to expand east, lucky we got a cow and wheat, this will help, let's hope we have iron

KB next

I'm on it, might be a little while.

Re:Invitation
@TheRat: I'm glad that you send this to me.Invitation accepted,I'm in.Silent Cathy,here I am!
But I'm a poor experienced player struggling on DG,could another experienced player join in(Besides Rat and Kaiser-Berger)?
OT: Cathy is pretty but not in CIV.

Can we make intial contact with AI?Contact with their units and discuss nothing?

great plarq, you're in then after KB

Roster
ThERat
Kaiser_Berger - up
plarq - on deck
Bezhukov (still puzzled about whetehr you're in or not)
open slot
open slot

@plarq, what do you mean by initial contact? we are not allowed to ever contact, no initial trading, only if AI wants to. and no purposely getting into their terrotory for getting a boot.

Oh,I see.We can meet AIs,but not knowing them,thus our research is delayed.

this is a slightly finetuned version of gozpel8 - silence is golden. it will teach you to never give up, just read that thread

Goz8 read,see how wonderful a variant would be!Will play after KB.I'll take the challenge.

[bump][bump] Kaiser Berger of Sweden,Sword of Odin and Axe of Berserker,Rise!

I would like to join in, though I don't know if I am at DG level. I am quite comfortable now playing at Emperor, 3 wins solo (standard random).

@elmarae, ok you're in, but beware this is beyond DG actually since we can't talk...read the instruction carefully before making wrong moves


:bump: KB? what's up?

Roster:

rat - just played
KB - up
plarq - waiting impatiently
elmarae - wondering abt DG difficulty
open slot (maybe an experienced deity player?)

Glad to be onboard. I realise that it will be harder than DG. Sometimes the best way to learn to swim is to jump in the deep end.

Sorry for holding it up so long, RL is being uncooperative with Civ time right now.


Preturn- We look ok.

IT- Japan chooses to boot us. I take the oppurtunity to trade Myst for Warrior Code and 10g. We can't get the Wheel unfortunately.

T1 2950

Nothing much.

T10 2550

We learn IW, and the rng has seldom been kinder as we have Iron next to St. Petes :beer: Set us to Alphabet so we can get closer to libraries to open up our research.

The position sucks, but I settler Novogorod to claim the spices.


We pop a warrior from a GH and spot a purple warrior. They ignore us so we do the same.



Summary

We need to keep scouting at "meet" more people. No real trading, but we do get lowered research costs out of it. I would settle North into the jungle fairly soon, it will be some fertile land eventually.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Rat03-2550.JPG

Roster

rat -
KB - just played
plarq - up
elmarae - on deck
open slot (maybe an experienced deity player?)

we need to be careful and not get too bold, next town must be settled to connect spice town and Moskow via CxxC, this is potential AW and we need to maintain a 3 tils spacing. I suggest spot south of river next to mountain, which would connect Moskow and Novogorod

Indeed, I was going to mention something similar. I didn't feel vert comfy sticking the city out that far, but didn't want a city that had a majority of desert that wouldn't even gurantee us the spices. Certainly we need a connection city between them.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Rat03-2550.jpg

ok here are some suggestion not being able to look at the bigger picture, red is town #1 in priority IMHO

Got it.
Japan chooses to boot us. I take the oppurtunity to trade Myst for Warrior Code and 10g.
Rat,is this allowed?I don't think it's allowed since AI only boot him,no real talkie.
BTW,I need sometime to find a gap in my schedule,2 days at most.

Rat,is this allowed?I don't think it's allowed since AI only boot him,no real talkie we are not allowed to purposely enter enemy territory to get booted and start discussion.

I was my last turn when the AI blocked my path and I had no choice but to enter that territory, that's why I didn't say anything. in future, NO stepping into their territory to initiate things.
Maybe what we should agree on is:

if we enter AI land and get booted, we simply comply, but don't enter the trade screen.

what you all think?

Rat:Agreed.If we're allowed to make negotiations like this,we'll end up to be "silent sneakers",which will mean that we're not silent anymore.

ok, will amend the rules on page 1. btw, plarq, do you need a swap with elmarae? actually 10 turns at this level are played very fast

Swap is ok.It's ironic that I'd waited impatiantly,now that I have no time to deal with it.

Okay, I've got it... I'm up in another game as well so give me 24 hours. Though it will be fast not having to check the trade screens every turn or two.

Preflight

No need to check for trades. :nono:
Happiness okay
Do we want a granary in Moscow?

2390 BC

Moscow > Settler > Granary
Science 100% - Lux 0% (Alphabet in 7)

2270 BC

Found Rostov > Worker

2150 BC
Discover Alphabet > Wheel (Though this can be changed)
Novgorod > Worker > Worker (maybe change to Barracks and chop the spice forest when the 3 workers are done with the roads.)
Must have misclicked in Moscow, because instead of 10 food there is only 2. I'm against reloading so I lived with the mistake, at least it was on the forest so the granary has 4 extra shields.


- Roster -
rat - On Deck
KB -
elmarae - just played
plarq - UP Swapped
open slot (maybe an experienced deity player?)

Got it.Silently playing...

IHT:Cathy calls her SA(Science Advisor) in and he says Russian people are backwards.I guess it means we're down Writing,so we cannot gamble on Philosophy monopoly.St.Petersburg is not on river!Can you guess?I research Max on Wheel due in 6.My suggestion is settling in the N of Pink Dot,we can get FP wheat immediately.
IBT:Indian Settler pair out,I cannot say hello.
T1:Indian scout spot Incense and blue border.We need to pump out several archers from St.Pete,or AI will demand and we'll get into hell.The stronger we're,the less AI will demand.
IBT:St.Pete riot,it's not so good for a 4C empire.
T2:We spot Koreans but cannot say hello.
IBT:Carthage settler pair approach Novogrod.Korean want to trade Mas for Myst,Korea is also up Wheel,and has 45g,wines,6 cities including Seoul.I start Archer in St.Pete.
T3:Wheel next turn.I'll research Writing next.
IBT:India want 19g for Wheel,I decline,he's even in tech.5 cities no gold.Korea boots and I don't answer.Wheel->Writing.
T4:3 Horses are in or around Carthage,we'll need a war to claim these.Leptis Minor settled aggressively against Novogrod.
IBT:Moscow Granary->Settler.
T5:Nothing.
T6:No more things interesting.
IBT:Spice is online,lux down.Rostov worker->warrior.
T7:Writing price down,seems Carthage or Korea has Writing.
T8:Nothing
IBT:Japan demands 21g and WAR! :eek: 2 warrior and 1 vet archer are our whole troops.
T9:Best chance is occupy the Mountain near Rostov,and it's possible.or we'll be toast.I MMed St.Pete to build 4t Archers,and change Moscow's Settler for a Spear.
It's 9t.And I stop here for Rat to determine the war.1 archer and 2 warrior,that's the whole troops of Mother Russia,will we stop the Japanese strike?
Japan front:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/oh_god.jpg
Korean empire,E to India:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Korea_Empire.jpg

Rat,let our warrior near Rostov occupy the mountain or Eastern Jungle,another archer will reinforce Novogrod,build a warrior in Novogrod.You're our savior!

No mapstat and I'm uneasy,fail to keep all city quiet.
Rat will play 11t,hope there're really 11t left for us. :eek:

don't panick, we will recover, remember..never give up

anyway you are allowed to use mapstat, for happiness check only, as long as you don't open the rest I am fine with it

playing now

save (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Rat3_1500BC.SAV)

Pre-turn
shift warrior and archer towards Rostov, so far only 2 Japanese warriors
up lux due to MP issue

IT no, Moskow hit by disease

1.1750BC
we will have an archer spear combo for defence in Rostov, warrior on mountain

2.1725BC
2 warriors round our mountain defender, switch Moskow to warrior since its now size 3

3.1700BC
Rostov facing 2 warriors next turn

IT wohoo, it gets really nasty
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/rat31700.jpg
regular spear defeats warrior and promotes

4.1675BC
archer promotes elite beating warrior

5.1650BC
Japanese think they are smart and want to take a hold of the mountain
attack with archer, kill warrior, 4/5 elite kills their archer and we take mountain back [4-0]
send workers to iron mountain
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/rat31650.jpg

IT writing is in, go for maths next (cats needed), ready in 8
a carthage warrior appears

6.1625BC
shuffling units, defense look better

7.1600BC
elite archer kills another warrior

8.1575BC
nth much

IT iron is connected, 2nd spear goes elite defeating warrior

10.1525BC
getting soon really hairy since there are 5 carthage warrior approaching
3 reg archers outside Rostov, kill 1 with an archer, a warrior defeats a japanses warrior which came from the other side
[8-0]

IT our spice defender warrior defeats 1 of those 5 but is killed by 2nd. 3 turn around? our 2hp warrior in the hinterland defeats warrior and promotes
to reg, spear defends against archer [11-1]

11.1500BC
elite archer kills archer, Novogorod is in real danger, move in spear and archer, warrior defeats another warrior [12-1]
most likely will be killed on counter
hope Japanese talk soon
Moskow is size 7, has no rax should build settler if we can get peace

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/rat31500a.jpg
our devious reg warrior is on iron, maybe can pillage carthage iron
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/rat31500b.jpg

and the Roster
rat - still survived
KB - up (can make nice with the world?)
elmarae - on deck
plarq -
open slot - nobody want to join this exciting game? cmon don't be chicken

cool,we survived to another degree!

Well, I knew this was comign soon. Our first hurdle is to survive the initial onslaught of war. Got it.

Preturn- We look alright.

IT- Our warrior on the iron survives an attack, we lose our spices warrior to a Merc, Carthage now has GA for sure.

T1 1475

We pillage the Carthage iron. Not much else to do. Lower science.

IT- Our warrior defeats another warrior on the iron hill. We learn Math, now start on Lit, due in 12 turns.

T2 1450

Retreat our warrior off the iron to heal.

IT- India doesn't like our scout cutting a corner through his territory. Take the oppurtunity to trade Writing for HBR and 15g.

T3 1425

Our first sword is now active. Send him towards the quiet front lines.

IT- zzz

T4 1400

We kill off a warrior with elite archer, no luck though.

IT- zzz

T5 1375

Not much to do. Where is everyone?

IT- Jap archer appears.

T6 1350

Carthage iron is still disconnected.

IT- Two more archers show up.

T7 1325

Settler complete out of Moscow heads south.

IT- Three archers end up next to Rostov.

T8 1300

Shift elite spear and sword to Rostov.

IT- Two Jap archers die at Rostov.

T9 1275

Nothing much new.

IT- Some Carthage units show up.

T10 1250

Kill a Carthage archer. Not much else.


Summary

Our settler is ready to settler next turn. We're hanging in just fine right now. As our number of swords increases, we may be able to attack a bit, not just defend. Lit is going to be in soon, it will be nice to have a library or two to boost research.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Rat03-1250.JPG

seems the initial units have been burned off, nice to see, could we try and pillage that wine near the iron? I hope we will get a leader. a sword army would surely make things easier for attack. I guess we need to raze a town or 2 to get them to ask for peace.

again, KB, please DO NOT go into trading when we get booted. Next time I think we gotta replay turns, this time still ok.

elmarae is up

Sorry about the boot trading. When it happened I wasn't thinking it was exploitive, but when I looked back on it I questioned my judgment. Sounds like a firm and easy to understand rule now though, no trading when being booted.

Eager beavers the lot of you. I'm gone for the day and it's my turn again...

okay got it. Will try and do it before I am up in my SGOTM.

Preflight

Start up Mapstat - for happiness only. That flashing trading tab is tempting but resist temptation.

Pop Rush the Barracks in Moscow - so we can quicker get units into the field.
Flipping - Rostov is 0.5% chance of flipping to Japan, we need some culture there.
vSword in Rostov to attack Archer, Wins 1 damage.
vSword on Spices attacks rArcher/rWarrior. Kills rWarrior. 2 damage. Moves back to Spices.

1. 1225 BC
Carthage Archer attacks vSword(2/4) and loses, vSword promotes to elite (3/5)

Moscow > Barracks > Sword
Peters > Sword > Sword
Novgor > Walls > Cat

Found Yaroslav > Spear

2. 1200 BC
vSword vs rWarrior - win (5/5)
Moscow unhappy because of the pop rush. Hire Scientist.
Drop Science to 50% - Literature due in 2


3. 1175 BC
eSword vs rWarrior - win (4/5)
vSword vs rWarrior - win (1/4)
rWarrior vs rArcher - lose (2/4) enemy promoted
rArcher vs vArcher 2hp - Win (2/4) promoted

4. 1150 BC
Discover Literature > Polytheism

5. 1125BC
Peters > Sword > Settler

eSword vs rArcher - win (2/5)

6. 1100BC
The Japanese Archers (5) finally come into striking distance. Rather than let them attack enmasse I pick them off as I can.
vSword vs rWarrior - win (1/4)
eSword vs rArcher - Win (5/5)
eSword vs rArcher - win (1/5)
vSword vs rArcher - win (2/4)
vArcher vs rArcher - win (1/4)

Carthage sends 2 Archers towards Spices
eArcher vs rArcher - win (1/5)

Carthage continues to chase our warrior around their lands with 2 Mercs.
7. 1075BC
Our warrior is cut down by Carthage archers
Moscow > Sword > Settler
Units healing. Japan has 2 Archers and a spear approaching. Carthage has an Archer and Sword approaching.

8. 1050 BC
Pyramids built in Athens (Greece)
eSword vs rArcher - win (4/5)


9. 1025 BC
Peters > Settler > Sword
vSword vs rSword - win (3/4)
eSword vs rArcher - win (3/5)
vSword vs rArcher - win (4/4)


10. 1000 BC
Move a spear to defend our iron, shuffle units for happiness.

Military:
5 Sword (3 Vet, 2 Elite)
2 Archers (1 Vet, 1 Elite)
4 Spear (1 Reg,2 Vet, 1 Elite)
2 Warrior (2 Reg)

Within 4 Turns we will have 3 Cats and another sword.

- Roster -
rat - On Deck
KB -
elmarae - just played
plarq - UP
open slot (maybe an experienced deity player?)

great progress, hope the Japanese or preferably Carthage would talk one day. by the way, I would disband the scouts, simply cost us money, not worth it

maybe we get an army to punish Japan especially with their weaker defense

Disband scouts?Do we find out Greeks yet?
Anyway,got it,we need to punish Japan or Carthage soon.Carthage for Iron and Horse.But Japan is weaker.

Silent Cathy:QSC Check
Raise Lux to 10%,fire specialists in Moscow.Poly in 1t.From wonder race,Japan Korea and India has Poly,no one owns Philo or Construction.Nagoya claimed Ivory,we need to strike Japan before SoZ.
IBT:Carthage Merc forgives our scout,Japan want peace.Toku has Philo,MM and Poly.he also lacks iron and horse and Literature.I buy MM for 6g.If we also buy Philo,it alone cost us 7gpt and 20g.So I buy MM only.We'll sail a galley to Greeks.Also,His Ivory is not connected.Poly->Monarchy,Moscow riots.Rostov Cat->Lib.
T1:Disband 2 scouts.Build new city in dot.Scout finds out Carthage SoD,he has Swords now.
IBT:Scout died,Carthage galley threaten west coast.
T2:Moving troops,Catapult and Sword kill Merc flawlessly.(1/0)
IBT:Carthage lands an Archer.Moscow Settler->Sword,Novgorod Cat->Lib.Yaroslavl' Cat->Cat
T3:Bombard Archer,Mov Sod to Leptis Minor.
IBT:Archer retreat,Carthage Sword approach.
T4:Move SoD to raze Leptis Minor.Kill a sword.(1/0)
IBT:Lose spear to sword.3 Carthage troops marching to Novogrod,Korean want Lit for Currency,no new techs,I ask 5g for a change and he agrees.(0/1)
T5:Siege of Leptis Minor,Cat goes 1/2.Vet Sword kill Merc,redlined.Elite Sword kill Merc,yellow lined,and the city burns with 10g.Chop in St.Pete revealed a BG.(3/0)
IBT:Novogrod riots,lose sword to sword.(0/1)
T6:Seems I overlooked the spice,it's gonna be pillaged.
IBT:It's pillaged.St.Pete riots.I should've park more troops,and send only a half of the SoD to take Leptis Minor.
T7:Found new city NE Leptis Minor.Lose sword to Merc.India Monarchy,all others Anarchy.(0/1)
IBT:Carthage want peace,I buy CoL for 30g.He's in MA now.He retreat troops near spice.
T8:No more action,Carthage archer is returning home,we can use him as an excuse of war.
IBT:GL and ToA started everywhere.
T9:Building and reroading spice.
IBT:Pyongyang completes Collossus.HG is started everywhere.Indian is MA now(from his head).
T10:workers arrive on spice(for reroading.)Rat can decide to boot Carthage or not.Don't connect Yakutsk too fast,we need warriors as MP.

Summary:India and Carthage is in MA now,Most of the countries are Monarchy.We lack Construction,Philo and CoL for MA,hope we pull out Feudalism.War with Carthage is on player's choice.

Sweet little Cathy's land:

so we survived the 1st AI onslaught and even got some cheaper techs. I rather we get monarchy, revolt, before we start another war. it will come soon enough

save (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Rat03-450-BC.SAV)

Pre-turn
wake a warrior to move to St Petersburg for MP

1.730BC
start roading spices

2.710BC
zzzz

IT Japanese start SoZ now

3.690BC
reduce lux to 20%

IT Moskow library -> settler

4.670BC
whip galley in Yaroslav

IT Russadir founde by carthago in the south

5.650BC
reduce science to 20% monarchy in next turn

IT monarchy -> philo in 4 at 50% science

6.630BC
wait 2 turns for units to finish before we revolt

7.610BC
zzzz

8.590BC
revolt and draw 6 turns anarchy :(

9.570BC
send out curragh for suicide run and spot some land

10.550BC
will play 15 to make up for anarchy, curragh survives and we find land (so much about pangaea :mad: )

11.530BC
found Vladivotosk very aggressive

IT get FP message :)

12.510BC
curragh spot green border north

13.490BC
we meet the Greeks, mum as we are we don't say hello
running with 3 scienctist, philo will be due in 2

IT we are a monarchy

14.470BC
philo next turn at 10% science

IT Greeks knock on our door
they actually have construction but lack a host of tech, we are really lucky here
for pottery and HBR, we get contruction and 93g
welcome MA. unfortunately we drew monotheism
set science to 70% and we get feudalism in 16 at -6gpt (we have 183g in the kitty)

15.450BC
we need more worker to clear that jungle, we should also prepare for war with Japan since they got some lux up north
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/rat3450.jpg

Looking good. I've got it.

Preturn- We look ok.

T1 430

Rush a library in Vladivostok to culturally dominate Rusaddir.

T4 370

The Japanese have just completed the Great Library in Kyoto. Keeping up in tech may not be as hard as we thought :hammer: :evil:

T5 350

Good luck strikes again as the Greeks complete the Great Wall instead of Carthage or Japan.

T6 330

Japan complete SoZ.



Summary

We are average in military against Japan. We might want to think about a quick strike soon, before they get Samurai. It would be nice if we could get Feudalism first and get MDI, but that might be pushing it a bit, and I doubt we'll have the funds sitting around to upgrade all our swords. It would be nice to get Kyoto eventually, as the GL will give us instant tech parity.

Samurai?Japan doen't have iron.All we can do is to cut them from Carthage.And we need horse from Carthage.Where's SoZ?We'd have a try on it.

I think Carthage has two hooked up, and I think that Japan might be getting some. We can't really check, but I find its a good rule of thumb to assume that an AI will find a way to get those pesky resources, as they always do somehow. SoZ is in Tokyo, IIRC. A bit off the beaten path, but if we get rolling it would be a nice target.

I looked at the save and the Japanese have Sapporo far north with iron. I suggest we better strike them faster before they have pikes, use a stack of swords.

Elmarae?Are you up?

Roster

rat -
KB - just played
elmarae - up already after fast turns
plarq - on deck
open slot - nobody??? :crazyeye:

Rat,it's your 1000 post ,cong!And if elmarae doesn't show up tomorrow,I'll pick

If you can't find anyone by the time I get my computer back I'll join, should be about a week.

great dl123654, a pleasure to have you join

@plarg, give elmarae today, if no 'got it' by tonight you grab it

heh got it.

@dl:I see your work in Emperor TradeTraining SG.It's a wonderful experience.You'll get your computer back soon?Welcome aboard!

Preflight
230 BC
Rostov > Barracks > Sword
Novgorod > Worker > Sword

210 BC
India Offers Feudalism for Monotheism, take it.
Valdivostok > Worker > Warrior

190 BC
Japan builds Great Lighthouse in Edo
Rostov > MDI > MDI
Yaro Library > Barracks

170 BC
zzz

150 BC
St Peters > MDI > Settler

130 BC
zzz

110 BC
Moscow > Settler > MDI

90 BC
zzz

70 AD
Japan demands we move from their territory. We declare war.
Peters > Settler > MDI
Nov > MDI > MDI
Take Kagoshima no losses. (2 Spear, 2 Archers killed)


50 AD
Japan bring 2 Ancient Cavalry to the fight.
Lose 2 MDI killing 1 MDI and 1 Ancient Cavalry.

- Roster -
rat -
KB -
elmarae - just played
plarq - UP
dl123654 - welcome

Hopefully putting you guys in a war situation you'll take a little longer with your turns. :)

Japan demands we move from their territory. We declare war.
Oh my god!You trashed our ROP reputation!

You could have attack their units from OUR territory.Which is described by gozpel "No talkie,only guns."
Anyway,got it.

well, our rep is now sort of trashed, gpt deal might be impossible, makes it even harder, better way would have been to attack from our territory before moving in. let's hope it will still be alright

It was the only way I could declare war, I couldn't open negotiations with them to start a war, we are silent. If I did wrong then I'm sorry.

one more thing, please NO min research ever in this game. we need to treat is as AW since techs won't be traded easily.

only once we can steal, then we can go for 0% research, as for now, max and I suggest max gunpowder

@elmarae, if there was no other way, it was ok, that's the nature of silence, nothing wrong with that, I would have abandoned that Jap town, it is a high flip risk and not connect to our empire, very hard to hold

Begin:MM to get more gold.Start Engineering with deficit.
IBT:lose redlined MDI to Acav,Moscow MDI->Settler,Vladivostok War->Warrior.(0/1)
T1:Build Orenburg on spot.MDI flawlessly retreat AC.
IBT:Lose MDI to MDI(0/1)
T2:Kill AC,lose MDI,Kagoshima is under threat.We can't use Cats in jungle,that's too bad.(1/1)
IBT:Spear lost,Pikemen lost,Kagoshima citizen uprised.(0/2)(city lose 1)
T3:Several border expansions.
IBT:Moscow Settler->Pike.Peters MDI->MDI.
T4:4 Jap Units knocking at the door of Orenburg.I'm sorry but Orenburg just not on right place.Jungle's killing us.I think we must retreat to Petersburg.Doubt if we can really hold St.Petes.So hard.I abandon Orenburg and retreat to St.Petes.I guess Samurai and ACav will end our history.(city lose 1)
IBT:LB not Samurai show up in Jap stacks.Phew...Lose a sword.(0/1)
T5:Nothing,but look at Jap SoD in awe.2 archer,2 lB,and 3MDI.
IBT:Build wall in St.Pete.Start more pikes.Hell,Japan start KT,which means Samurai on-the-way.
T6:Cats goes 2/4 on SoD.Then straight 7-0 kill Nipponese SoD!!!Well RnG is on our side right now.(7/0)
IBT:Lose sword and pike to Jap.(0/2)
T7:Healing and building.With all these slow movers,I can't expect a better outcome from Jap.
IBT:Korean demands->War.Koreans and Carthage starts Sistine.
T8:War happiness gain 10gpt.
IBT:Carthage demands->War.Now it's really ugly.Japan lands a Samurai near Yaroslav',we're losing in every front.Size 5 Yaroslav will fall.Guess Cathy faces her destiny.
T9:Kill Jap LB
IBT:Lose Yaroslav'.Carthage run through our territory.Vladivostok going to fall.
T10:Good luck never strikes again.Now all troops cannot match Jap and Carthage,I'd say we lost already.

Summary:I don't know why our fronts fall as autumn leaves.But the aggression on Japan seems to be a tragedy.We just can't hold the front without cats in jungle.After Kagoshima disaster hope is gone.Even a 7-0 counterstike cannot rewrite our history.And the AW-like variant makes minor mistake unchangable.Demands from Carthage just add insult to injury.
We're lost:N to St.Pete. is 5 LB/MDI stack,N to Novogrod is 5 Sword/NM stack,S to Vladivostok is 2 Sword/LB stack.And our whole troops are several MDI and Pikes.
I don't know who's responsible for the defeat.Me?Elmarae?RnG?Or anything else?I guess it's hard to beat an AW like game without Horses.

Should we play another Silent Game?Or should we start training AWM?
The map is the last glance of crippled Mother Russia.
I'm really sorry team,but the cruel truth showed its ugly face in our game again.

The Save is here.Should we abstain and replay some turns to get some ideas from this game?

well, I think that the war against Japan was pretty premature. we had no real stack of units to fight them and regain peace fast. opening the save I saw a few stray units, thats the way I fought wars long time ago unsuccessfully in Civ.
Kagoshima should have been just razed.

Never mind, the land wasn't really in our favor, we could try silence on emperor level again. Waiting for more input first


edit: the front line versus 2 Civs is also a bit hard.

This does look fairly tough to defend, probably is our end. I think another try would be in hand, but I think emperor may be a bit too easy. With a decent start we could probably outresearch our competition and make the silence not as big of an issue. I think another go on demigod would be in order, but will go with whatever the team thinks. Demigod can be done, it just requires careful play.

agree with KB, we could do it on DG, but this time more careful play and maybe better starting location.

first, before starting a new link, need to know who is in for this:

Roster:

rat
KB
plarq? please confirm
elmarae - in for replay?
dl123654? still keen?

Sure I'll join in the replay. Hopefully I have learnt my lesson about starting a war half cocked.

I take most of the blame for our loss. I started a war with an opponent with barely enough force to take one town let alone defend against the counter attack.

I'll be more careful next time.

I'm up for another, put me near the end of the roster so I can play when my computer gets back.

ok then, will start another thread tonight, same conditions?

maybe we need a Civ with an earlier UU? but it must be a scientific Civ. Any suggestions.

I leave the rest as it is, pangaea etc. Hopefully a better start this time (not crammed between jungle and tundra) ;)

I'll replay in Demigod.Edit:I guess this time we go Sumeria or Babylon or Greeks.

Greeks certainly would keep us from being overrun early on. Perhaps our early survival in Goz8 could be attributed to the cheap defense of the Enkidu. A few elite Hoplites equals near invincibility in the ancient age. As for starting wars, I think we need to take an AW approach to our wars, because once we start we're in them until we are talked to. We just need more caution overall, I think. Alright, enough of my random thoughts, lets get the next one started.

ok, Greece it is, never played them once myself actually.

Will roll and start tonight, play 20 turns and post (and make sure it's not a crappy location)

created an new thread under Rat04 - silent Greeks

check it out