I do not even know why I am arguing with you. We are doing what is right for our country, and it is sad that you are not. You are on your own.
From Poland
To United Kingdom:
We know: Everyone looks out for themselves in this world, huh? "Who cares that someone else is getting raped by a bigger country, as long as we are safe!" Is that right?

Well, we tried to do what is honorable - stand by Czechoslovakia, a beleaguered country in need - because we cared for more than JUST our own asses. You may be correct that it may be right for your country to just stay out of continental affairs, let a dictator run amok, and just lay back, so long as your country still has its own peace. But is it right for other countries that you, through your passivity, condone Hitler's behavior? Especially those that have/are/will fall victim to it? Not at all.

We're trying to save Czechoslovakia, and save ourselves. It would have been so much easier if you cared.

Again, all this stuff from us is probably looking very petty to you. But if there is one thing we have learned over the past several months, it's this: You can't buy honor or peace. Proof of that is Danzig - at first we held our stride and refused, but then when we realized we weren't getting anything from our Western "Allies", we backed off. And look where it has got our people - demoralized about the thing. We thought we bought honor and peace by conceding to Germany. We were wrong - disgraced among our people, and facing war anyway.

Whether Poland will still be on the map once the year is past, or if it will be under foreign occupation yet again as it has been already for 123 years, we do not know, and though it probably may be, we hope it is not the latter.

Our last message to you is this: You had to choose between Honor or Peace. You chose Peace. You will have War.
Take it from someone who knows from first-hand experience.

We are done talking to you. We shall withdraw our ambassadors promptly, as clearly there is neither necessity nor a welcoming spot for Poles in London anyway.

Toteone, clear your PM Box
And, well, since even a blind man can see that I'm not going to survive past the next 2 updates (if even that), I congratulate Feanor for playing the part of the spinster tyrant to the hilt, and Jason for demonstrating what Neville Chamberlain was like in real life.

OOC - I am not believing my eyes. Are the UK and Poland really having a diplomatic spat, just before you-know-whats gonna happen? Are we gonna make things easy for Feanor and his Hitler-Blitxkrieg moves?

To the UK
From USA

Our netrality stance at the moment is going to stay unless the situation changes damaticaly and our terrotories in south east Asia are threatened. However we will be watching the situation carefully.

From the Germany Reich

To the UK
Your Empire is crumbling, partially under your misguided government and largely from by the Sabotage of the Jews and other Bolsheviks, why should the British Empire fight with the German Reich? We have both much to gain from co-operation.

To Poland
If Poland would truly wish eternal peace with Germany you would return the lands they stole through the Versailles Diktat, West Prussia was and is a German province. Upper Silesia was and is German. Both these territories owe their cultural development exclusively to the German people. All German minorities still living there have been ill-treated in the most distressing manner. Return what is ours and there shall be eternal peace between our nations.
So, Shall we start the negotiations for the terms for their return?

To Belgium
We are happy to see that a decent form of government has been adopted by Belgium and we hope that you will finally return the Moresnet region to their rightful owners, the German Reich.

To Denmark
Schleswig was and is German, return it to us.

To Luxembourg
The Germany Reich would like to see that the Grand Duchy of Luxemburg becomes again a German Zollverein

To France
We would like to see the Alsace-Lorraine territories returned to us.

To Lithuania
Mehmel is a German town; we would like to discuss its return to the German Reich.

http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/versa/vmap3.gif

Belguim shall hang onto all territories concerned. We shall continue to keep ourselves protected, however we do offer you an oppurtunity if you talk to me on MSN.

From: India
To: The United Kingdom

This is reasonable, but do not go back on your word. Not that I believe you would anyway....

To: The United Kingdom
From: New Zealand

We too wish to have our independance. We would be fine with the 10 year plan like India.

This is what I dont understand in RL NZ got independence in 1900s around the same time as Australia.

Semi-IC:

Bulgakov's Diary, December 24th 1938:

Odd news recently. Germany continues the war with Czechoslovakia, and Poland is backing Czechoslovakia, and all of the sudden Poland is no longer a "fascist dictatorship". And then Britain, apparently, got even mistier then usual and began arguing with Poland about them "appeasing" Germany. Pravda is more ridicilous then usual...

No inspiration today.

To: Ze Bosche
From: France: Alsace-Lorraien is ours. We shall kep our territory.

"Ils n'auront pas L'Alsace et la Lorraine!"

From the Germany Reich
To Poland
If Poland would truly wish eternal peace with Germany you would return the lands they stole through the Versailles Diktat, West Prussia was and is a German province. Upper Silesia was and is German. Both these territories owe their cultural development exclusively to the German people. All German minorities still living there have been ill-treated in the most distressing manner. Return what is ours and there shall be eternal peace between our nations.
So, Shall we start the negotiations for the terms for their return?

From Poland
To Germany:
Ha! And you said Germany had no more claims on Polish territory! You break the Danzig treaty even now, demanding it.
And, let us give you a little history lesson.
Until 1772, West Prussia was Polish, under Poland, with Poles living in it as well as some Germans. That's when Prussia (which, as you know metamorphosized into Germany later on) got together with Tsarist Russia and Austria and stole the land. By 1795, our ancient Nation was wiped clean off the map of Europe by the three threacherous monarchs. Ever since then, Poles have been subjected not only to constant attempts by Russia to Russify and destroy Polish culture, but also in Prussian Poland, by the Prussian/German authorities, with Germanification. For many years prior to those Partitions, that land was Polish. Once the greedy Prussians got their claws all over it, German settlers were sent in to settle in the area and make it more German.
Who stole the land? Not us. Versailles gave us back land that rightfully belonged to us but was stolen away from us by your predecessor.
You want the German people living in Poland? Take them. We will gladly secure special trains for them to get them out of the country and across the border into yours. But you will not take any more soil that is rightfully Polish. Neither the Polish Government nor the Polish Nation will stand for this. If Britain refuses to punish your treachery and violence in this world, rest assured that the punishment awaits you in the afterlife.
Oh, and as for whether we were treating the Germans badly, the answer is that we weren't. You're just spewing crap.
We said it to Britain, but they didn't listen, so we will say it to you: We will fight for our freedom and independence.

From Poland
To Western Allies (primarily UK):
See what the tyrant has done? Promised that after Danzig, no more land would be demanded. And yet not even a year has passed, and already he demands more. Now, even France, one of you, has been approached. Will you react? Or are we truly abandoned and must we fight on our own?
As for UK, this just goes to show you that even if we hadn't gotten involved in Czechoslovakia, Hitler was planning on demanding for more land, anyway.

To Germany from Italy: (secret)

Words must be backed up by actions thats the rule of politics. Also there cannot be half-mobilization you are either at war or your are not. Certain actions can only be seen reasonable if the situation calls for those acts. Italy has worked hard to create the system of alliences that back our regimes. Your warmongering threats ruin the fruits of our patient work. We both know the scenario that might happen and we do not like the outcome. If Germany shall continue her policies without consulting her allies Italy shall reconsider its position towards Germany and withdraw her support and the support of her allies from the "Great Chessboard Plan".
End of Telegram
If you are not Germany and you've read that you know what I will say to you so lets pretend I did ;)

I'm terribly sorry but i have to quit this nes. :(

To Poland
From UK

Yes, you have proven that Hitler was going to demand more territory anyway. That is why you should NOT have given him Danzig.

Jason: check email

AND GET RID OF SOME DAMN PMS!

To The United States
From the United Kingdom

We understand that your stance towards Japan, along with the rest of the world, is neutral. However, we would like you to understand that if Japan continues to threaten British possessions in Asia, then there is nothing stopping her, when she is more powerful, from threatening US possessions. Start now and stop a potential disaster for your country. If Japan continues to threaten India or anyother British Asian possession, we ask that the US join the United Kingdom in placing sanctions on Japanese steal and oil imports in order to economically strangle their war machine and bring them to their senses.

Unlike the British, the Japanese are honorable and keep their word. America promised neutrality, and in return no American territories or properties shall be harmed.

Your sanctions would do nothing to us, we have all the oil we need. Why don't we place sanctions on you and stop the tea and whatever else it is that you import from Asia?

Unlike the British, the Japanese are honorable and keep their word. America promised neutrality, and in return no American territories or properties shall be harmed.


Yeah, you're real honourable. Like in Manchuria?

Yeah, you're real honourable. Like in Manchuria?

Like you are?

From Poland
To UK:
We are going to publicize what we found out prior to giving Danzig away:
Luxembourg Pact
The Government of the German Reich and Fascist Italy on one side and Governments of Great Britain and France on the other side, desirous of strengthening the cause of peace between all states, have reached the following Agreement:
Article I. Both High Contracting Parties obligate themselves to desist from any act of violence, any aggressive action, and any attack on each other, either individually or jointly with other Powers.
Article II. Should one of the High Contracting Parties become the object of belligerent action by a third Power, the other High Contracting Party shall in no manner lend its support to this third Power.
Article III. Should disputes or conflicts arise between the High Contracting Parties over problems of one kind or another, both parties shall settle these disputes or conflicts exclusively through friendly exchange of opinion or, if necessary, through the establishment of arbitration commissions.
Article IV. The present Treaty is concluded for a period of five years, with the proviso that, in so far as one of the High Contracting Parties does not advance it one year prior to the expiration of this period, the validity of this Treaty shall automatically be extended for another five years.
Article V. The present treaty shall be ratified within the shortest possible time. The ratifications shall be exchanged in Berlin. The Agreement shall enter into force as soon as it is signed.
Article VI. In the interest of peace and according to the principle of national self-determination all parties agree to the transfer of Dazing Corridor to the German Reich. In the event of that happening the German Reich will sign a 10 year non-aggression treaty with Poland.
This shows that we would be lucky to even have a chance of getting British support, as your Government was so willing to sign Danzig away anyway. Much of this Luxembourg Pact is in the name of sincere peace, but Article VI proves that the UK sanctioned a cession of Danzig anyway, and thus proves your hypocrisy and betrayal.
It was in light of this information that we were that much more desperate and gave Danzig away, because we knew then that you would not support us at all, and that you in fact promoted the cession anyway, through a secret negotiation that we were not asked to participate in, though it concerned us directly.
So get off your high horse, because we knew that you would not support us, so enough with your self-righteous, condescending attitude. Your veil of hypocrisy has been lifted.

wow, poland is taking good use of its 4 turns to survive :p

Italy would like to know how Poland got hold of a top secret document designated for the eyes of high level officials of the 4 abovementioned states? Furthermore does Poland undersand the gravity of the assault it made by making this document public?

From Poland
To Germany:
Ha! And you said Germany had no more claims on Polish territory! You break the Danzig treaty even now, demanding it.
In one of the Early offers i made you there was a clausule dictating that germany will would not make further territorial demands on Poland, thoug you dismissed that, and many other generous offers and made a counter offer of your own, withouth such clausule. so Germany is not breaking any agreement made.


And, let us give you a little history lesson.
Until 1772, West Prussia was Polish, under Poland, with Poles living in it as well as some Germans. That's when Prussia (which, as you know metamorphosized into Germany later on) got together with Tsarist Russia and Austria and stole the land. By 1795, our ancient Nation was wiped clean off the map of Europe by the three threacherous monarchs. Ever since then, Poles have been subjected not only to constant attempts by Russia to Russify and destroy Polish culture, but also in Prussian Poland, by the Prussian/German authorities, with Germanification. For many years prior to those Partitions, that land was Polish. Once the greedy Prussians got their claws all over it, German settlers were sent in to settle in the area and make it more German. Who stole the land? Not us. Versailles gave us back land that rightfully belonged to us but was stolen away from us by your predecessor.
Well let me give you a ancient history lesson to you then, Once upon a time the great Germanic Tribes roamed in most of the north north-eastern lands of europe, that came to an end when, from the south, Slavic filth started to migrate on our wonderfull lands, through betrayals and murders the Germaninc tribes were slowly pushed back by these beasts and some of our people had even to flee in roman lands were they were forced to pay tribute to the romans to be allowed to live in peace.

You want the German people living in Poland? Take them. We will gladly secure special trains for them to get them out of the country and across the border into yours.
Are you asking us to come and take our people? i guess thats all right, shall i give the order to my troops to march in poland and bring our people and whatever possible of their possesion?

But you will not take any more soil that is rightfully Polish. Neither the Polish Government nor the Polish Nation will stand for this. If Britain refuses to punish your treachery and violence in this world, rest assured that the punishment awaits you in the afterlife.
Rightfully yours? All the Annexation and most of the decrees of the Vienna Diktat not legal under international law, what makes it so Rightfull? Not the fact that 200 years earlier some of those lands were part of an ancient polish kingdom, if that was so the United states of America would not Exist nor would the British Empire or even the United Kingdom.
Oh, and as for whether we were treating the Germans badly, the answer is that we weren't. You're just spewing crap.
We said it to Britain, but they didn't listen, so we will say it to you: We will fight for our freedom and independence.
"We weren't"? does that mean that NOW you ARE treating the Germans bad?
Germany WILL respect the Non Agression Pact but if you intend harm to Germanic people we will see that as a breach of our pact and we will have to defend our people.

From Poland
To Italy:
Just like you and your allies have your sources, we have ours.
We have no antagonism toward Italy. We publicized that document to how proof that UK wouldn't stand by us, so we see no way that it hurts Italy, or, for that matter, even Germany.

From Poland
To Germany:
Do not twist our words.
You said earlier to transport Germans living in Poland into Germany, so that is what we are proposing.

As for the German forced migration into Roman territory, you are possibly correct that Slavs were among the tribes that displaced them. But if you're going to bring up 2,000-year-old grievances, then Italy, who can be considered a geo-political descendant of the ancient Roman Empire, has the right to demand that you pay them reparations, because was it not Germanic tribes who destroyed the Empire and sacked Rome?

As for the whole thing with the Vienna Diktat, we do not understand what you mean by that regarding us? Whatever you mean, Poland has a right to exist independently, just as Germany, France, Czechoslovakia, Russia, etc. have a right to.

By "we weren't", we meant that for the past 20 years, we have not been treating the Germans badly. That does not mean that all of a sudden, today this morning we woke up and said "Hmmm let's treat the Germans badly now". We are continuing to treat them equally as we treat our Poles and others. Nor do we even plan on treating Germans badly.

From Poland
To Italy:
Furthermore, as we have already acknowledged, much of the document is indeed a legitimate and honorable official attempt to maintain peace, or to resolve disputes, etc.
We highlighted the part in which it was clear that UK agreed to just sign Danzig away, without even asking our consent in the first place.
Therefore, it portrays you as a pacifist.
Meanwhile, UK, tying Article VI of the Luxembourg Pact to the falling-out we just had, is proven to be no friend of Poland.
So, again, we do not see how you should feel threatened by this.

Like you are?

France has never commited or condoned warcrimes. Even in the Great war, we respected Jerry, and treated him well.

From Poland
To Germany:
Do not twist our words.
You said earlier to transport Germans living in Poland into Germany, so that is what we are proposing. As for the German forced migration into Roman territory, you are possibly correct that Slavs were among the tribes that displaced them. But if you're going to bring up 2,000-year-old grievances, then Italy, who can be considered a geo-political descendant of the ancient Roman Empire, has the right to demand that you pay them reparations, because was it not Germanic tribes who destroyed the Empire and sacked Rome?
Well, its you that its trying to justifly their theft of OUR lands by claiming that 200 years ago those lands were opressed by a Polish Kingdom

As for the whole thing with the Vienna Diktat, we do not understand what you mean by that regarding us? Whatever you mean, Poland has a right to exist independently, just as Germany, France, Czechoslovakia, Russia, etc. have a right to.

Yes, Poland has indeed the right to its independence but not on German lands, as long as your borders run through german lands your independence is a relative thing.
By "we weren't", we meant that for the past 20 years, we have not been treating the Germans badly. That does not mean that all of a sudden, today this morning we woke up and said "Hmmm let's treat the Germans badly now". We are continuing to treat them equally as we treat our Poles and others. Nor do we even plan on treating Germans badly.
Ethnic Germans have been mistreated and opressed, both with physical violence and by the simple by the fact that they are forced to live in a occupied territory under a puppet government of Jews and other Bolsheviks. We would not be surpised to hear that you have decided that those opressions are not enought and increase your violence against Ethnic Germans.

France did not ever release the above treaty to Poland. You have her word for it.

France has never commited or condoned warcrimes. Even in the Great war, we respected Jerry, and treated him well.

I'm sure the people of Indochina beg to differ.

I'm sure the people of Indochina beg to differ.

Boo friketty hoo. Moral lecture by General "warcriminal extraordinaire" Tojo.

Boo friketty hoo. Moral lecture by General "warcriminal extraordinaire" Tojo.

Moral lecture by imperialist murdering French. It is irony that we lecture each other isn't it?

OOC btw, I don't think a lot of people in the world realized what the Japanese were doing at this time.

France has never commited or condoned warcrimes. Even in the Great war, we respected Jerry, and treated him well.
OOC: thats why, barely a month after the beginning of WW1 France resorted to a method of war no one other used, becouse it was a criminal, coward and dishonorable method, you attacked the Germans with Chemical Weapons.

OOC btw, I don't think a lot of people in the world realized what the Japanese were doing at this time.

OOC: not untill the Nanking Massacre of 1937, after that Japan had pretty much every democracy against it

OOC - While I am staying nice and neutral, since I have Big Brother (Jason) coattail's to ride on, I would like to point out that it was fairly obvious that Germany would demand more land concessions.

Also, didn't the Polish Army really, really, really suck? Like, didn't they have guys on horses and stuff?

Also, didn't the Polish Army really, really, really suck? Like, didn't they have guys on horses and stuff?

Aye-men on horses, obsolete armoured cars, and practialy no artillery.

bah, i oughta send all of you the email kamilian sent me when I said that to him about the Polish Army ;)

Originally Posted by nonconformist
Boo friketty hoo. Moral lecture by General "warcriminal extraordinaire" Tojo.


Moral lecture by imperialist murdering French. It is irony that we lecture each other isn't it?

OOC btw, I don't think a lot of people in the world realized what the Japanese were doing at this time.

OOC: Nonconformist is right. The Japanese were VERY horrible in their treatment of other asians, civilians and soldiers alike. Worst than every European power save Germany.

Also, didn't the Polish Army really, really, really suck? Like, didn't they have guys on horses and stuff?
OOC: Partially true, thought there is the fact that even with their largely obsolete hardware and being attacked by both Germans and Russians at once, the Polish Kill/Death ratio was incredibly higher than the french, who had 3 times more infantry, whose equipment was better and ,with the exception of the Airforce, outnumbered or equalled the Germans. Plus the fact that the french had plenty of time to fully Mobilize and prepare for war.
Im sure that if anyone else than Germany had invaded poland, the polish would have dealt them a crippling blow.

Hey am I still paying this, for soem reason feanor has Belguim down as NPC.

OOC: Nonconformist is right. The Japanese were VERY horrible in their treatment of other asians, civilians and soldiers alike. Worst than every European power save Germany.

Not really, French in Vietnam were horrible. But Japanese were equal to the French. But let's hush up about that, you're ruining my propeganda :)

To Poland
From UK

Parliament never endorsed the treaty. Therefore, it was never signed by the British government.

All your accusations are just pushing the UK further and further away from Poland, when Poland needs all the allies it can get. Who else is going to help you? The soviets? They would rather help the Germans and gain your eastern lands. France? They would not attack Germany without the UK. Who does that leave? Nobody.

How long do I have to get orders in?

Not really, French in Vietnam were horrible. But Japanese were equal to the French. But let's hush up about that, you're ruining my propeganda

French were very horrible to us in Vietnam, but nothing compared to the Japanese treatment of asian war prisoners and civilians. but ok, Ill stop ruining your propaganda machine ;)

Update is Saturday, that leaves tomorrow for stories and such, applecider.

*looks at watch* Ya, stories tomorrow. Me == tired . . .

Toteone I will send my orders in 8 hours as I have to leave now. I hope thats ok.

Order-sending now...

Actually, the Polish army was very innovative. The Germans only used horses for supplies (much more often then they used trucks, one might note...), whilst the Poles, though absent modern tanks and mechanized infantry, used horses for transportation. One might note that the Polish army had good anti-tank weapons and also relatively recent fighting experience against an army which used (back then) armored tactics somewhat similar to German ones. In the end it was the Polish overconfidence that doomed them, and ofcourse the German AERIAL and technologic (in some spheres) superiority which allowed the Germans to move much faster then expected.

Update is Saturday, that leaves tomorrow for stories and such, applecider.

well, in case you people did not notice it Toteone is not here, he said i went on vacation and i doubt he will, or should, update this week.
Him not being here means that we are forced to deal with others playes since he, who represents the NPC's, does not awnser our diplomacy or our complaints about the last update.

i cant and wont write orders untill NPC diplomacy and update complaints are awnsered

Toteone said he won't be back for 2 weeks, so update is NOT Saturday.

The cold wind was blowing throughout the streets of Moscow. The Third Rome - the Fourth will never be. Indeed, Moscow looked very majestic now, especially if compared to the one in the unforgettable year of 1917... I collected my thoughts and stepped out of the car. I ignored the guards that were to be seen here and there, and I walked past the Lenin Mausoleum. Old friend and leader, the teacher of the Revolution, the chieftain of the Soviet people...

I walked across the Red Square, past the great churches and cathedrals of Russia's past. Russia was gone, or was it? In its place stood the Union of the Soviet Socialistic Republics, the USSR, the Unbreakable Union of Allied Republcis, the Country of Victorious Socialism, where five years were converted into four during the removal of the "decay", the "razrukha" ("Two plus two IS five!", said the propaganda poster).

And then, I walked towards the Kremlin, the old fortress and castle of the Russian might, the symbol of the Soviet state today. The guards allowed me in without hesitation. I kept my face emotionless, perhaps alittle smug.

On one hand, I, Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvilli, ruled the greatest nation of the world. That was no lie - USSR had great potential, and only small parts of it were exploited to create a powerful industrial base. Once Russia was backwards, and history consists of the advanced nations beating up the backward ones for their backwardness. But now, USSR managed, through painful years and carefully-planned policy, through, indeed, pain and deaths (but was not the Russian Empire of Peter I built on blood and bones and endless toil), to remove that backwardness. Away with the past! Now Russia (for USSR was Russia indeed) was a Russia of the proletariate, of factories and of tanks, of steel might.

I called myself "Stalin", "of steel". Back then it was just a pseudonym. But now that I took control over USSR, indeed, steel became important, for steel determination was needed to do all that. I regretted having to kill so many good friends, but it was important. They were individuals. But I needed to build Russia for all of its people. Not just some minor non-entities who would have brought USSR to stagnation and backwardness once more. I was in power. I took all measures to come to power and to remain in power. I was not displaced. If noone of them was able to displace me, how could they possibly make USSR stronger then I did?

And so they failed, they died or were expelled. And I remained.

I entered the Kremlin Great Palace. The Supreme Sovet of the Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics was about to begin a session.

From Poland
To Germany:
Alright, you know what, we're tired of you twisting our words around every which way. There is no point in talking to you because you will only try to spin it around negatively. Even now you're probably issuing orders to invade our country anyway.

From Poland
To United Kingdom:
At this point, especially since you still try to deny and pretend like you weren't plotting to give our land away anyway, we have only three more words to say to you: Rot in hell.

OOC: As for Germany demanding land, there was always a slim chance that it wouldn't go that way.

Regarding whether the Polish Army sucked or not, here is a link to a wikipedia article detailing the invasion: Polish September Campaign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_September_Campaign)

Excerpts:
Between 1936 and 1939, Poland invested heavily in industrialization of the Centralny Okręg Przemysłowy, chosen for being reasonably far from both the Soviet and German frontiers. That heavy spending on military industry pushed much of the spending on actual weapons into 1940-42. Poland has been preparing for defensive war for many years, however most plans assumed German aggression would not happen before 1942. Polish military industry development and fortifications were scheduled to be completed in that year, and newer tanks and aircraft were just entering production or would shortly.

The French loaned Poland 2.6 billion francs over a 5 year period starting in September 1936. That added 12% to the annual Polish military budget. The Polish defense budget for 1938-39 was 800 million Zloty, of which:

Armored force - 13.7 million
Artillery - 16 million
Air Force - 46.3 million
Navy - 21.7 million
Cavalry - 58 million
To raise funds for the industrial development, Poland was selling much of the modern equipment it produced: for example, anti-tank guns were sold to Britain, and planes were exported to Greece.

The Polish defence plan was shaped by the politicians' determination to deploy directly at the front. With the most valuable natural resources (Silesia), industry and highly populated regions near the western border, Polish policy was centered on protection of those regions, especially as many politicians were feared that if Poland should retreat from the regions disputed by Germany (like the Gdansk corridor, cause of the famous 'Danzig or War' ultimatum), Britain and France would sign a peace with Germany, similar to the Munich Agreement of 1938. On that grounds French advice to Poland to deploy bulk of Polish forces behind Vistula was disregarded, even through it was supported by some of Polish generals.

The plan to defend the borders contributed vastly to the Polish defeat, as during the September campaign Polish forces were stretched thin on the very long border, and lacking compact defence lines and good defence positions, often encircled by the mobile German forces. The Polish army had a fall-back plan, involving retreat to the southeastern voviodships (the Romanian bridgehead plan). The UK and France estimated that Poland should be able to defend that region for 2-3 months, while Poles estimated they could hold it at for at least 6 months. This Polish plan was based around the expectation that Western Allies would keep their end of the signed alliance treaty and quickly start an offensive of their own. However, neither the French nor the British government had made plans to attack Germany while the Polish campaign was fought. Their plans were based on the experiences of the First World War and they expected to wear down Germany in the trench-like warfare, eventually forcing Germany to sign a peace treaty and restore Polish independence. The Polish government, however, was not notified of this strategy and based all of its defence plans on the expectation of a quick relief action by their Western Allies. Furthermore, the Polish plan for Romanian Bridgehead defence was rendered obsolete by the unexpected Soviet Union attack. Although the secret appendix of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact about the Soviet alliance with Nazi Germany and its policy towards Poland had been uncovered by the Western Allies' intelligence, it was never shared with Poland.

Germany's forces were not incredibly mobile, but the number of mechanized forces was greater than Poland's. The Germans were able to successfully exploit the weakness of the Polish forces' thin deployment on the long frontline. Their blitzkrieg doctrine was based on the novel idea of a mechanized spearhead attack, using mobile units to break through enemy frontlines and then disperse, causing confusion in the rear areas and severring lines of supply and communication, Follow-on forces could then defeat the confused and cut-off units at the front.

The political decision to defend the border was not the only strategic mistake. Polish pre-war propaganda stated that any German invasion would be easily repelled. Polish defeats in the September campaign came as a shock to many civilians, who unprepared for such news and with no training for such an event, panicked and retreated east, spreading chaos, lowering troop morale and making road transportation for Polish troops very difficult. The propaganda had also some negative consequences on Polish troops themselves, whose communication disrupted by German mobilie units operating in the rear and civilians blocking roads was further thrown in chaos by the bizarre reports from Polish radio stations and newspapers, which often reported imaginary victories and other military operations. This led to many cases of Polish troops being encircled or taking a stand against overwhelming odds, when they thought they were actually counterattacking or would receive reinforcements from other areas soon.

The Polish army was fairly strong in numbers (~1 million soldiers), but many of them were not mobilised by the 1st September, as Polish government, advised in this by the British and French governments, constantly hoped that the war could be resolved (at least, for the time being) by diplomatic channels. Less than half of the Polish armed forces had been mobilized by 1 September, and only one-quarter (600,000) were fully equipped and in position when hostilities commenced. Thus many soldiers, mobilised after 1st September, failed to reach the designated staging areas, and, together with normal civilians, sustained significant casualties when public transport (trains, roads filled with refugees) became targets of the German air force.

Poland possessed numerically inferior armoured forces. Polish units were dispersed within infantry and unable to effectively engage in any major panzer battles. The Germans opposing them had 3,000 tanks, organised into independent divisions under blitzkrieg doctrine. In terms of equipment, the Poles had 132 7TP light tanks, which were capable of destroying any German armour, including the Panzer IV, and less than 300 tankettes.

In addition to tanks, Poland successfully used armoured trains against Germans, who were unprepared to face this kind of combat vehicle. Although the trains proved vulnerable to air attack, the losses that the Germans incurred against Polish trains convinced them to reintroduce this type of vehicle into their own army after the September Campaign.

Polish cavalry brigades, contrary to the common myth, were used as a mobile infantry, and were quite successful against German infantry. They were considered to be elite troops of the Polish army and were much more successful than the Germans anticipated. However, while Polish cavalry matched German panzers in speed and anti-infantry effectiveness, it could not stand its ground against the tanks.

Another interesting equipment used with success by Polish forces was the 7.92 mm Karabin przeciwpancerny wz.35 anti-tank rifle. It was quite successful against German light tanks, although, as with most of the Polish modern equipment, production was just beginning when the war started.

Tanks
TK-3 and TKS, tankettes
7TP, a light tank
Anti-tank gun
Bofors wz.37

The Polish Air Force was at a severe disadvantage against the German Luftwaffe. Although its pilots were highly trained, the Polish Air Force lacked modern fighter aircraft, and the Germans had gross numerical superiority: Poland had approximately 400 aircraft, including 169 fighters, and Germany had approximately 3,000 aircraft. The development program of the Polish airforce was slowed in 1926 in the aftermath of Józef Piłsudski's coup d'etat, as Piłsudski considered the airforce to be of less importance than other military branches.

In 1939, Polish main fighter, the PZL P.11, designed in early-1930s, was becoming obsolete, the slightly better PZL P.24 were used solely for export and PZL P.50s, which were supposed to have better parameters than German modern fighters, were still on the drawing board. As the result, the German Messerschmitt Bf 109 and Bf 110 fighters were faster and better armed, and most German bombers could also outrun the Polish fighters. On the other hand, P.11 were more maneuvreable, and despite the German superiority is speed, armament and numbers, P.11s downed a considerable number of German aircraft, including fighters, although suffering heavy losses as well. The exact numbers are not verified, but some sources claim that at least one German aircraft was shot down for each P.11 lost (a figure of 107 to 141 German aircraft shot down for the loss of 118 Polish aircraft are most often).

One of the most interesting units in the Polish arsenal was the twin-engine medium bomber, the PZL.37 Łoś. Before the war it was one of the world's most modern and outstanding bombers. Smaller than most contemporary medium bombers, it was still able to carry a heavier bomb load than comparable aircraft, including the famous Vickers Wellington. It was relatively fast and easy to handle. Thanks to a landing gear with double wheels, it could operate from rough fields or meadows. The only drawback was its relatively weak defensive armament, consisting of 3 machine guns. Its range was also limited, but the Łoś was not meant to be a long range bomber. During the September Campaign, they were too few in number to change the outcome, and often lacking fighter cover, sustained heavy losses.

Few planes of the Polish air Force were destroyed on ground, as most have been deployed to temporary secret airstrips. The fighter planes were grouped in 15 escadres. 5 of them constituted the Pursuit Brigade, deployed in Warsaw area. The bombers, grouped in 9 escadres of the Bomber Brigade attacked armoured columns, suffering heavy losses. 7 reconnaissance and 12 observation escadres, deployed to particular Polish Armies, were intensively used for reconnaissance. However, the Polish pilots, while highly trained and motivated, faced superior numerical opponent in superior designs and with much better command structure. German achieved air superiority around day three of the campaign, although Polish Air Force manged to remain operational for two first weeks of the September capmpaing, after which most planes were either destroyed in combat or had to been abandoned on ground due to lack of supplies and spare parts, in face of the rapidly advancing German land troops. Few remaining aircraft were either captured by Germans or withdrawn to Romania and taken over by this country. A great number of pilots and air crews managed to breakthrough to France through European countries.

Airplanes:
PZL P.7, fighter
PZL P.11, fighter
PZL P.24, fighter, an export variant of the PZL P.11, not used during the September Campaign
PZL.37 Łoś, twin-engine medium bomber
PZL.23 Karaś, light bomber and reconnaissance aircraft


The Polish Navy was a small fleet composed of destroyers and submarines. Most of Polish surface units followed the Operation Pekin, left Polish ports on 20th August, evaded German forces and escaped to the North Sea to join with the British Royal Navy. Submarine forces were realising Operation Worek, with the goal of engaging and damaging German shipping in the Baltic Sea, but with much less success.

Warships (in service during September 1939)
ORP Gryf, large minelayer, sunk by German bombers near Hel
ORP Błyskawica, a destroyer, escaped to United Kingdom
ORP Wicher, a destroyer, sunk by German bombers near Hel
ORP Grom, a destroyer, escaped to United Kingdom
ORP Burza, a destroyer, escaped to United Kingdom
ORP Orzeł, a submarine, escaped to United Kingdom
ORP Sęp, a submarine, interned in Sweden
ORP Wilk, a submarine, escaped to United Kingdom
ORP Ryś, a submarine, interned in Sweden
ORP Żbik, a submarine, interned in Sweden
ORP Mewa, Jaskółka, Rybitwa, Czajka, Żuraw, Czapla - 6 small minesweepers. ORP Mewa, Jaskółka and Czapla were sunk by German bombers near hel and Oksywie, others have been captured and salvaged by Germans.
ORP Mazur, old torpedo destroyer from First World War, sunk by German bombers near Hel
two gunboats
In addition, many ships of Polish Merchant Navy have joined the British merchant fleet and took part in various convoys during the war


There are some common myths about the Polish Campaign, comparable to the urban legends.

Although Poland had 11 cavalry brigades and its doctrine emphasized cavalry units as elites, other armies of that time (including Germany) also fielded and extensively used cavalry units. Polish cavalry never charged on German tanks nor entrenched machine guns but usually acted as mobile infantry units and executed cavalry charges only in rare situations.

Secondly, the Polish Air Forces, though numerically inferior and lacking modern fighters, were not destroyed on airfields and remained active in the first two weeks of the campaign, causing some harm to the Germans. Skilled Polish pilots who escaped to the United Kingdom after the German occupation were employed by the RAF during the Battle of Britain. Fighting from British bases, Polish pilots were also, on average, the most successful in shooting down German planes.

It should be noted that the September campaign lasted only about one week less than the Battle of France in 1940.

And, regarding the Polish forces after the September Campaign, here is another article: Polish Contribution to World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_contribution_to_World_War_II)

Le Figaro

Today, in ther Champs Elysees in Paris, the Ministry of Defence unveiled its new tank; the Bis 1.
http://www.wwiitechpubs.info/garage/afv-francaise/afv-fr-mt-char-b1/images/afv-fr-mt-char-b1-8.jpg

This monster is by far the heaviest tank in existance. Toting a 37mm gun in the turret, and a monsterous 75mm gun, as yet unmatched, with the option to convert to flamethrower, you might well call this the cavalry!
It may be heavy, but darn it, when you have a beast of this monstrosity, and in the numbers we have, who needs maneuvrability, when these could practically sneeze enemies away?
This will give the fool who dares to get on the wrong side of the French Rebublic a run for his money.
A L'assault!

The Globe and Mail
All ther news fit to print

War "imminent" in Europe?

Experts in European affairs that that war might be "imminent" in Europe. Says the Professor of European Studies from McGill University, "Europe is like a firecracker. One spark, and she might go into all-out war, between Hitler's Nazi Regime, Poland, France, the UK, Italy, and it will be a long and ugly war. It will probably be started by Germany over Poland, and then the UK and France will probably come to Germany's aid, and things will go downhill from there. Canada will likely be joining in on the Side of the UK, since we are legally a part colony of the UK, and the USA will join in at some point. Thew Soviet Union is the wild card, but, since the Communists don't like the Fascists, they will probaly join with the UK/USA, if it comes to that. As to the actual fighting, it will be gruesome, if it happens, millions, nay, tens of millions of lives will be lost, and Europe will be severely crippled. Several large armies are in play here, both the French and British haver substantial armies, and are building them up, but Hitler is seemingly building faster. Only time will tell what happens. I doubt a diplomatic solution is possible, Chamberlains appeasement policy has been an abysmal failure. Well, only time will tell, but I do think war's going to break out, and soon."

With several other European Experts saying the same things, the picture looks bleak in Europe. Canadians don't seem to be overly affected, however, with the current 65% confidence rate in the Government, and 63% saying they "feel obliged to defend our friend and ally the UK against the evils of the Hitler regime." Fascism is very unpopular in Canada, with an astounding 87% saying they are "very opposed to Fascism", and the rest mostly opposed, or not supportive of Facsism. It appears that Candians would firmly support a war effort, along with the UK, against Nazi Germany. It remains to be seen if the situation in Europe will indeed blow into full-blown war. The recent political disputes between the UK, Germany, Poland, et al. seem to indicate that is a possibility. We will keep you informed as this dangerous situation unfolds.

Diefenbacker proposes "Declaraction of Confederation"

Prime minister John Diefenbacker has unvieled what he says is "the document which will cement the Dominion of Canada, legally, for all time", the Declaraction of Confederation. This Document, while mostly symbolic, would be signed by all the provincial and teritorial leaders, and would declare all of the undersigned to be part of the Dominion of Canada. This Document would then be added to the Canadian Constitution when it is patriated.

My Diefenbacker did not say when the document would be ready to sign, nor if he could guarantee that all the Provincial and Territorial Leaders would sign the document. Initial reactions have been positive to the idea, with the Federal Conservative and progressive Parties in favour, along with the Conservatives. The Communists are against it, but they are usually against whatever the Federal Governemnt does.

Initial reactions will be coming later, as the Globe keeps you Updated on this and other breaking stories.

Diefenbacker proposes "Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms"

John Diefenbacker has proposed yet another document that he "wishes to see made into Canadian law, and added to the Canadian Constitution." This Document is being billed by Human Rights activists as the first of its kind in the world, and a historic achievement for Canadians. When Mr. Diefenbacker officially unvielied the proposal at a Press Conference, a spontaneous round of applause broke out.

Herre is what Mr. Diefenbacker had to say about it, for the record. "What me and the Liberal Party are proposing is a first of its kind in the world. This is a Universal Bill of Human Rights which, one day, will be entrenched in the Constitution of Canada. This Bill will serve to protect Canadians, and entrench and preserve their freedoms and Hhuman Rights for now and all time. In this Charter will be freedom of religion, thought, expression, press, peaceful assembly, and association. Under this new proposal, all Canadians will have equal rights, rights such as equality, democratic, legal, mobility, and language rights.

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a truly historic day for Canada, and for all Canadians. When this becomes part of our Constitution, we will be the most free and democratic nation on this planet, bar none. This is a historic day for Canada, and the world. I hope all Canadians accept and embrace this Charter. For the time being, i hope to make this Part of Canadian Law, until we can have it placed into our Constitution, if Canadians accept it, that is."

The response has been mostly positive, the Comunists are taking issue with some aspects of the Charter, but they don't have the seats to oppose it efectively. Canadians are in favour of it generally, no polls have been done, but some estimate that, once Canadians read it, they will support it.

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms (http://canada.justice.gc.ca/Loireg/charte/const_en.html)

http://142.206.72.67/04/04a/img/extra/zoom/04a_004_1e.jpg
The Charter, as was presented by Mr. Diefenbacker

OOC: Gob, don't I see some similarity between this last update, and one from another nes?

I also see some similarity!
I need to leave this NES, I need more time to work on my Middle East NES.

OOC - Well, you se noncon, I am playing Canada in 2 Cold War NESes, and a Pre-WWII NES. So of course my stories are going to be similar. See, I figured that I can be efficient, and use the same story :D. That one I've used 3 times now, in 3 different NESes :D It's not called laziness, its called efficiency.

No it's called plagarisism!! Of err.... yourself...hmm...

OOC - Well, you se noncon, I am playing Canada in 2 Cold War NESes, and a Pre-WWII NES. So of course my stories are going to be similar. See, I figured that I can be efficient, and use the same story :D. That one I've used 3 times now, in 3 different NESes :D It's not called laziness, its called efficiency.

Goob, you're using smilies an awful lot now, cpompared with your really anti-smilie stance from before.

then the UK and France will probably come to Germany's aid,

You know something we don't know? ;)

Soviet Union is the wild card, but, since the Communists don't like the Fascists, they will probaly join with the UK/USA, if it comes to that.

All will be revealed by the Sovinformburo. One day.

However, an Anglo-Franco-Germano-Soviet alliance would have been formidable.

OOC - noncon, I am a serialist flip-flopper!1 I have randomly flip-flopped on Smilies, you see. I have spent 5 years in the John Kerry School of Liberalism and Flip-flopping, I am an expert at flip-flopping now :D On a serious note, I have found the joy of smilies :)

OOC: finally. It jkust seems a bit odd, as I have gtten used to your posts without smilies.

OOC - Ya, probably. I must say, you didn't pay much attention during your Liberal Brainwashing . . . did you sleep through classes? Or skip them? Perhaps you skipped Flip-Flopping 205. That was an important one.

I have to quit this nes as my nes is surpassing all my possible dreams.

Btw, when is Toteone coming back again?

No, seriously.

Come on, people, just because he isn't here doesn't mean we can't diplo, story and ooc comment if only to bump it!

OOC: Ok I want you to suceed all southern territories to Italy ;)

Semi-IC: And I want you to give me all your colonies. I am willing to give you my southern territories as a colony so that you can give me that as well.

I'm selling compromising Hitler photos $5 for 2, or $8 for 4!

Now thats an excuse for Germany to invade France. Legioners get ready to back up the allies!

(I've been sick for a while but if someone would summarize the diplo., questions and new joiners - I'd be glad to answer them tomorrow. Oh and deadline for orders is Saturday.)

Compromising pictures of Mussolini, 2 for a dollar!

Thats the last straw! (or smth like that) Prepare all batteries to fire! Relfex warheads armed, all squadrons launched, all groups prepare for battle!
Oups that got me 60 years ahead. We really need a Robotech NES... *mumbles about NESes in general...*

Compromising pictures of Mussolini, 2 for a dollar!

Meh! Are you Daladier yet? Probably not. Wait... yes, you're Daladier alright.

We believe in socialization of all property, including compromising pictures. Pictures to the People!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/Daladier.jpg

Time for some compromising caricatures:
http://www.comics.aha.ru/rus/stalin/HitSta014.gif
[the line says (in hard Georgian accent): your stupid lead cannot stop the wheel of history]
Europeans beware! A huge Red truck on wheels of hisotry is going to be ramming through Europe!!!

Stalin in Europe:
http://www.almapress.unibo.it/dubcek/images/caricature/stalin_praga.jpg

Hey! I remember that first one! The people, however, MUST know the entire truth.

http://zulutango.org:82/stalin-hitler/1.html

Meanwhile:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/sanmartin/guerre_39-45/Mussolini/Caricature_sur_Mussolini.jpgp
This is the brain of Mussolini...

http://zulutango.org:82/stalin-hitler/images/HitSta29.gif
This will be the end of Hitler. And further down we have the Moustached Protector of the Socialist State.

Was it THAT scary?

Toteone, you seem to be able to send orders. That translates into you being able to update...

Toteone,when's the update?

I assume this Saturday.

Now, did i send orders . . . and when are they due?

I still need some diplo and a PM answered from Toteone before I can do complete orders

Same here...

I sent in orders alright. VERY LONG ORDERS. VERY VERY VERY LONG ORDERS! (Its a secret, but we're invading Monaco ;) ) TREMBLE, CASINO MANAGERS!

Could someone please summarize the diplo? I'll do it meself then.
Yes. Update is saturday.

I am not even sure there was any NPC diplo since you left.

Hooray for diplo!

To the United Kingdom
From the UK Dominion of Canada

Could you please name Canada the "British Dominion of Canada", as opposed to the "UK Dominion of Canada"? It is a minor change, but it is our belief that the BDoC sounds better then the UKDoC. (OOC - :p )

Yours Truly,
John Diefenbacker (OOC - Or whomever is my PM)
Prime Minister of Canada.

Nifty rain-bow color banner there Goober!

*ugh* to tired to do diplo. tomorrow 'aight

Btw, Gelion - Benito Mussolini=Benny the Moose=Бенни - олень! ;) Just a sidenote here. Speaking of the Moose, who will replace him while he's dead?

lol I wrote a story on paper. I may type it up before the update
OOC: I'm sure it was with your help that I need to change a leader ;) And thank you as I am not limited to history :p

Okay... a hint, make Graziani your leader because just look at him:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/96/200px-Rodolfograziani.JPG
'Tis obvious that he was born to be an Italian fascist leader!

How the #### did you guess I would pick him? :eek:

How the #### did you guess I would pick him? :eek:

I would guess because Rodolfo Graziani was one of the few skilled italians commanders and he stayed loyal to mussolini when the RSI puppet regime was formed, though i must say that Achille Startace or any other person that was shot and hanged along with mussolini at Piazzale Loreto (in Milan) would have been a more logical successor since Graziani was probably the only Member of the RSI government who was not thruly a Fascist or Nazi

http://www.larchivio.org/xoom/img/starace70.JPG
Achille Starace, Head of the Camicie Nere (Blackshirts, the SS was modelled after them)

http://digilander.libero.it/lacorsainfinita/guerra2/personaggi/loreto.jpg
After all, he used to hang alot with the duce ;) (starace is the rightmost)

Tote, I still need a PM answered

The Globe and Mail
We report: You decide

Residential School Lawsuit brought before the Supreme Court

It has taken 4 years to get to this point. The Canadian AFN, or Assembly of First Nations, long since against the
Residential School Program, which is meant to “Westernize” Aboriginal People, has brought before the Supreme
Court a wide ranges of complaints about the Residential School program. In their case, they allege “Crimes against
Humanity”, and “mass deculturification of a race of people”, which is “tantamount to racism, illegal under the Charter
of Rights and Freedoms”. The defendants are the Government and the Roman Catholic Church of Canada, who
jointly run the schools. Similar schools are in the USA, and ANZAC.

About 6,000 Roman Catholic Teachers run the schools, and under the Indian Act, it is mandatory for Aboriginal
people to attend a school to learn the same things that “all other Canadian Children learn”. The Aboriginals, led by
Benjamin Cwisis, claim that this is “robbing these people of their Constitutional Right to teach their children how they
feel necessary.”

Most pundits are saying that the Supreme Court will uphold the Indian Act, and dismiss the lawsuit. But, the
Supreme Court could, theoretically, rules the Schools Unconstitutional, and order a Public Inquiry, or even, if they
find sufficient evidence of Crimes against Humanity, request a special Human Rights Tribunal be set up, something
which the Roman Catholic Church and the Government would definitely not want to see. No comment was
forthcoming from either the Roman Catholic Church of Canada, or the Government of Canada. We will keep you
updated as this case unfolds.

i think i sent orders in a long time ago... but not sure....

I hope i sent orders.... tell me if i didnt.

I sent orders when you were away,please confirm this.

Gelion, because THAT face is hard to forget. ;) And SERIOUSLY, I thought it would make sense for it to be one of the military. Badoglio would have been great, but he is not fascist enough. Graziani is a different thing altogether. Btw, there currently is a Graziani-mocking Ethiopian AAR over at the Paradox HOI2 forum.

Toteone, UPDATE already. I mean, I actually wrote up a decent-sized non-newspaper story.

You all sent orders, and don't worry. Today WAS my deadline and is update-day, it's not like I was late or something - easter just passed!
I am updating today within Norwegian Saturday... or at the very latest tomorrow like last time but I don't think so.

did my predecessor already send orders? or are they still needed for the UK?

... and still... my PM is not answered(!)

did my predecessor already send orders? or are they still needed for the UK?

I don't know. But don't send in orders, it'll prove the inefficiency of the capitalist system. ;)

... and still... my PM is not answered(!)

Eh?

(was going to say something about writing an update, but decided against it)

(was going to say something about writing an update, but decided against it)

Yes. You should write the update for your NES. Come on, while leading USSR to victory is fun, I still want to do that with Iraq as well.

Toteone (and others), I will be a way for over a week and am not sure if I can get internet access, please NPC the USA until I return.

Toteone, Update The Nes Or Dca Gets It!

lol that might be a way

I think a Norwegian Saturday is about a Week, maybe 2 Weeks, in North American time . . . lol . . .

Come on Tot-ra, Update! please!

sorry guys, but i'll have to quit this, it doesnt seem it was goin anywere anyway :p

How is that idea of yours going?

Story:

France invades Germany, Italy, Japan, UK and USA, stamps out all opposition, become world leaders.

Ottomans will still stop you!

Damn and blast! I forgot about them! Well, I'll do another story, but if it's as intricate as the last, it will take a while.

Toteone, I DEMAND YOUR RESPONSE. NOW!

At least if the NES is dead we ought to know that... :(

Toteone hasnt been online for two days,I think something happened.

Perhaps the same sniper that got Mussolini now got Juan Perdito as well?

Toteone, seriously, if you're here, just say if its dead or not. In the meantime:
იოსებ ჯუღაშვილი

What language that and what it say?

Hebriew :) I knew das has Jewish connections :p

Thats wasn't hebrew...

Hebriew I knew das has Jewish connections

To shame! Its a language that is much more relevant to this NES. Try to guess what two words are there. ;)

Looks like Greek?

Hmmm misa give up....

Georgian for Iosif Stalin.

Georgian for Iosif Stalin.

Yup. Here is some of Stalin's poetry. Isn't it grand?

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/7231/utro.gif

Before we spam this thread like Daft's, seriously, what happened with Tote?

I translate it as:

"Twinkle, Twinkle little star;
Comrade, you must join the army of the Red Star"

It barely looks like that, does it? ;)

This seems to be the Russian translation:

УТРО

Раскрылся розовый бутон,
Прильнул к фиалке голубой,
И, легким ветром пробужден,
Склонился ландыш над травой.

Пел жаворонок в синеве,
Взлетая выше облаков,
И сладкозвучный соловей
Пел детям песню из кустов:

"Цвети, о Грузия моя!
Пусть мир царит в родном краю!
А вы учебою, друзья,
Прославьте Родину свою!"

Tell Gelion to translate that. Well, the last four lines can be translated as
"Bloom, oh my Georgia!
May peace reign in home land!
And you, with your learning, my friends
Glorify your Motherland!"

(it was published in, and writen for, an old schoolbook)

Btw - Toteone sent orders for my NES, so he's alive.

Why does it rhyme in english?

ooppps, sorry

I might find new players and continue this (some day unexpectedly most likely it will happen) of course anyone already in would be reserved

but yeah, dead

apologies all around

thanks for taking your time

Np.... next time plan :p

DARN. Ah well... Toteone, should I just lay my cards on the table now, or will the next NES begin from the point we got to here?

I think you better lay them down as I'm sure Toteone will change the rules a little....

:( I was looking forwards to invading Germany....I mean, invading it WITH LOVE!

Same here. Here is the post which I prepared for after the update:

"Story:

The Soviet forces, speerheaded by the tanks and the new motorized infantry divisions crossed the Polish borders and... kept on going, unopposed, they reached Warsaw once more - UNOPPOSED! - and they... walked pass it. They did not come here to conquer Poland, the stunned Polish citizens realized in relief.

And soon after, the Soviet forces crossed the German borders.

---

"THIS IS A MESSAGE FROM THE SOVINFORMBURO." - the invisible voice boomed from the radio.

"THIS DAY, THE WORKER AND PEASANT RED ARMY... HAS CROSSED THE GERMAN-POLISH BORDER... ENGAGING... AND DEFEATING THE GERMAN RESISTANCE... IT PROGRESSED TOWARDS... THE CITY OF... BERLIN!" - the voice also made dramatic pauses often.

The four persons - a man, his wife and their two sons - were overtaken by this. While the parents were somewhat concerned, as the Germans were, when they were young, considered invincible, their children thought that much more relevant was the unexpected German "total defeat" in Czechoslovakia. The defeat which was not really total, and over which the total war has started.

The patriotic words and music of the "Slavianka" march filled the room.

"Россия мать земля..."

---

Litvinov entered the room in Geneve. He did not at all look out of place here, all the people here (well, perhaps there were some exceptions) were elderly men with bored looks on their faces. Litvinov too walked in with dignity, and tried to remain calm. He succeded, ofcourse, as he was not a diplomat for nothing. Upon noticing him, some became slightly more exciting - the early reports of the Soviet (or rather the Warsaw Pact of USSR, Poland and Czechoslovakia) war with Germany already came in. Litvinov hoped that more nations would join it. He smirked to himself - USSR already allied with the "reactionary nationalistic dictatorship in Poland". Well, technically it was now a "progressive bourgoise democracy threatened by imperialistic German ambitions". Perhaps next USSR would ally with the "interventionist imperialist powers of Entante"? Their agreement was unlikely, but...

Many in those Entante countries thought that Trotsky and Trotskyists were so hated in USSR now because Trotsky was Stalin's enemy. Others even suggested that it was because Trotskyists were liberal. Finally, some Trotskyists - but never "Davidich" himself - like that Spanish Civil War veteran, "George Orwell" or Eric Arthur Blair - claimed it was because the Trotskyists were "revolutionary", while the Stalinists were "counter-revolutionary" or even "reactionary". No. It was because Trotsky and his doctrine were suicidal for USSR. Trotsky, as did many others, wanted USSR to go to war with the world, a war which will be a failure by definition. Trotsky wanted to keep USSR a pariah state. But Stalin worked to make Russia, or USSR, a member of the world community. And Litvinov agreed with that goal. The workers of the world will cast off their chains when they will feel like it. To make them feel so, the workers of USSR should show to them that communism works.

It was all a part of the initial plan, really. Now that Hitler became hated in the Western public opinion, USSR would be able to head the war effort against him, would be able to be the "first to fight fascism" (apart from Czechoslovakia, which was first and foremost a victim of the failed attack). And incidentally, Litvinov didn't like Hitler at all even without his warmongering.

Incidentally, the territory Litvinov was born in was now a part of Poland. He was born in a local Jewish community. Which, incidentally, would not fare well if the fascist German regime would actually have defeated Poland - and the poor German performance in Czechoslovakia did not really proved anything apart from the inability of the Germam commanders to show "healthy initiative", so it was a possibility. A possibility no more, that is.

While he did not like the prospects of a war at all, the overthrowal of the fascist German regime was a noble goal indeed...

"Greetings." - he did not add "comrades" or "gentlemen". "Gentlemen" would certainly be a good choice here, but he, while wishing for reconciliation with the Entante, remembered that those "gentlemen" were ruthless exploiters of the lower classes - "I came here to explain the recent events."

The microphones were turned on. He would make the announcement that would be heard across the world, literaly and not.

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"...the fascist German regime has threatened all of its neighboring countries with war, demanding their territory and giving no explanation of the absurd German claims to them apart from the abstract historical refferences..."

I listened and nodded. Whilst Comrade Litvinov would explain the "Czechoslovakian War" as it was called to the world, I had to tell the people of the Soviet republics - all twenteen of them - that the war was for real. The war to prove the Soviet Union's might was on.

I only hoped that the Operation Group "Russian Revolutionary Fleet" (operations Potemkin, Aurora and Baltflot (initially dubbed "Korean")) would work.

I turned off the radio and turned on the microphones making it clear that my own speech now began.

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The family listened to the radio through which the "Steel Chief" himself was now speaking.

"...The Worker and Peasant Red Army has now entered the territory of Czechoslovakia and Germany to combat the fascist agression and opression. The German peoples who were the first to suffer and experience the fascist reign must suffer no more..."

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And Litvinov carried on in Geneve.

"...The barbaric atrocities commited throughout Germany, known as the Kristallnacht, are now certifyibly connected to the German fascist regime. Again, I ask you, can the people of the world tolerate SUCH A REIGN OF TERROR? I say, once more, NO!.."

And the representantives of the various League of Nations members listened on.

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"Hey, they are talking about us now!"

"Eh?"

"Its Stalin!"

And the charismatic and perhaps somewhat cheerful voice, with a noticeable Georgian accent spoke to them as well.

"...а отвэт, товариши, вот в чем! Не потэрпим! Настал для Гитлэра Юрьев День!.."

(Sorry about that, just wanted to give the taste of the Georgian accent to some people here, the translation is here: "...and the answer, comrades, is this! No [to toleration]! Hitler's Yuri Day has come!..")

The soldiers were glad to know that this would be heard in USSR just as well. And in their families too.

Ofcourse, they would meet their families any time soon, as they currently had quite a job in front of them - they needed to hunt down Tiso.

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George Orwell was rather surprised - though not completely - when the radio began the transmission of Litvinov's Geneve speech. He doubted he would learn anything new, especially as he was one of the few not particularily surprised by the Soviet alliance with Poland, but decided to listen anyway.

"...I ask you - all of you! - to condemn the fascist regime, which has threatened (and WILL threaten, unless it is overthrown!) the peace in Europe and in the world, which has terrorized the people in its territory, which..."

Nothing new. He sighed and turned off the radio.

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"...And remember this above all - our cause is righteous! Vicotry will be OURS!"

And Stalin's speech has ended, amidst the applause.

Zhukov was finally persuaded in the reality of it all. His mind accepted it long ago, but his heart agreed. So what if he did well in the military maneuvers? He was previously simply a commander in the Far East. And now, suddenly the commander of the Soviet forces in Poland.

He turned off the radio and looked at his staff members.

"Comrades officers - congratulations." - he said. They understood him well. Indeed, here they were. In charge of what would certainly be one of the most famous campaigns of Soviet history.

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Neville Chamberlain shook his head. This was quite unexpected. Well, he was informed of the probability of that happening, but something in him refused to agree with it.

USSR allied with Poland? USSR invaded Germany? "Who writes this stuff?" - he wondered. But realized who, and shuddered.

He thought it was Lord the Almighty, but he was wrong about the first part as actually, it was Stalin.

And in the background he could make out the end of Litvinov's speech.

"And know that Hitler shall be overthrown..."

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Diplo:

From: USSR
To: The Fascist Regime of Germany (FRG ;) )

The declaration of war should reach you by the time you receive this communique. Let me inform you that as soon as you and your government surrender and agree to stand before an international trial for various crimes you have commited and apparently intended to commit further the military action will cease. The sooner you do this, the less lives of innocent people of all nationalities involved - including German, who are supposed to be YOUR responsibility - would be forever lost. Any casualties that will come since this declaration would be YOUR fault. I sincerely hope your conscience will persuade you to surrender, and I promise that the trial would be fair.

From: USSR
To: Hungary

As for you, I simply request that you cease your support for Hitler and your war against Czechoslovakia - your country is... not as opressive as Hitler's, so you should be given a second chance in running it, but this time in the name of world peace.

From: USSR
To: Other German allies (we know who you are)

I ask you not to take any actions in the defense of the criminal fascist regime currently in power in Germany. Know, however, that if you will choose to turn this war into a new Great War, the USSR is ready to face all of you. We have the moral high ground, and our cause is truly righteous.

From: USSR
To: The Working Classes of Germany

Know that this war is not against you, but against Hitler and his cronies. I ask of you to rise up and to overthrow him, for he is the furher of the rulling classes, who like the Huns and the Mongols of the ancient days intend to collect their tribute in money, toil, tears and blood from YOU. Overthrow him, so that he does not send you and your children to the war, where they would die defending the interests of the fat factory owner and his patron. Overthrow him, so that this war ends.

From: USSR
To: Poland, Czechoslovakia and in a way the world

The time is ripe to formalize the creation of the Warsaw Pact, the alliance for peace in Europe. I hope that more nations will ally with us, against Hitler and possible future threats.

From: USSR
To: Vatican, France, Britain, Belgium, Yugoslavia, Denmark, Monaco, San Marino and all other European nations that border Germany/German allies

Hitler and his cronies and his allies intend to impose a "new world order" on Europe and the world. That new world order would be created by the overthrowal of the old one, through war and violence, and in charge of it will be Hitler. Do you want Hitler to order you around? He is already trying to do this. He demanded land to which he has NO LEGITIMATE CLAIM. He took Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia. Then he tried to take the rest. He is an armed thug, a thief, and he uses such tactics - he tries to intimidate a nation into giving him some of its possessions, and then more, and more, and when his unfortunate victim is fed up with it and refuses to give in, he attacks it. Should such a thief not be put before justice?

I ask you to consider this, and sincerely hope that you will assist the nations of the Warsaw Pact in the war with Hitler. I appeal before your common sense and your conscience - if you enter the war, it will go much quicker, and there will be much less dead and wounded, and much less suffering, if Hitler is overthrown faster.

(I also expect Hitler to claim himself your shield against the abstract "Red Menace". I ask you - had USSR EVER demanded land from neighboring countries? had USSR EVER broken a diplomatic promise? It did not. Hitler did. It will not. Hitler will.)

From: USSR
To: The nations of the world

Hitler and his cronies and his allies intend to impose a "new world order" on the world. That new world order would be created by the overthrowal of the old one, through war and violence, and in charge of it will be Hitler. Do you want Hitler to order you around, one day? He is already trying to do this. He demanded land to which he has NO LEGITIMATE CLAIM. He took Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia. Then he tried to take the rest. He is an armed thug, a thief, and he uses such tactics - he tries to intimidate a nation into giving him some of its possessions, and then more, and more, and when his unfortunate victim is fed up with it and refuses to give in, he attacks it. Should such a thief not be put before justice?

I ask you to consider this, and sincerely hope that you will assist the nations of the Warsaw Pact in the war with Hitler. I appeal before your conscience - for every moment of hesitation will result in more dead. If you cannot assist us in the main war, then I ask you to at least condemn Hitler and place economic sanctions on him, and perhaps join the blockade of his coast.

From: USSR
To: The people of the world

Hitler is a warmonger AND a genocidal monster. He has reintroduced the guillotine to slaughter his political opponents, he terrorized his own people into submission, he massacred Jews just because that they were Jews, he supressed and cancelled democracy after lying himself into power.

I appeal before your conscience - join the international volunteer brigades. Assist the effort to bring down Hitler. IT IS THE MORAL DUTY OF EACH AND EVERY HUMAN BEING TO COMBAT EVIL - AND EVIL TODAY HAS BUT ONE NAME: Hitler.

Signed, Glavminindel Maksim Maksimovich Litvinov."

My God! Feanor now you know I was right...

Oui. The Warsaw Pact (or USSR, anyway) has planned three operations - Potemkin (forces go into Czechoslovakia, defend it from all directions), Aurora (the fleet pulls a Pearl Harbor on the Germans) and Baltflot (an all-out offensive through Poland into Silesia and Brandenburg). We were supposed to topple Hitler. Or to save Czechoslovakia, anyway. I was really looking forward to a big, decisive war.

Well the Nazi Pact had all our hopes on fighting USSR on turn 3 with half of Europe allied to us. Italian forces were to move in from Turkey. A net of states preparing for war was widening with every year. However suddenly Germany decided they can take on USSR alone without conquering some European states and beliving that a pact would hold "democratic Western governments from waging an agressive war on germany as their populations will be against and unjust war". Since Germany demonstrated this logic, Italy was focusing on building its own private Empire in the Meditarrenean.

Heh. The Fascists didn't know that in fact, France knew all about it, and was getting ready to invade simultaneously with the USSR, trying to reach Berline.
We had our misunderstandings, and disagreements, but it would have happened.
And then Italia.

And Blackheart-nice bluffing on the whole "Uk left Indochina" thing, but we weren't fooled ;)

Heh. The Fascists didn't know that in fact, France knew all about it, and was getting ready to invade simultaneously with the USSR, trying to reach Berline.
We had our misunderstandings, and disagreements, but it would have happened.
And then Italia.
We knew about that too. And were prepared to take Southern France....

move in from Turkey

Turkey being a determined neutral with pro-Soviet sympathies...

Incidentally, anybody knows what was Britain's position?

We knew about that too. And were prepared to take Southern France....

Really? How did you guess; I signed all the protocols, and was a nice guy....

Heh. The Fascists didn't know that in fact, France knew all about it, and was getting ready to invade simultaneously with the USSR, trying to reach Berline.
We had our misunderstandings, and disagreements, but it would have happened.
And then Italia.

And Blackheart-nice bluffing on the whole "Uk left Indochina" thing, but we weren't fooled ;)

I wasn't bluffing. They did leave, I showed them 1/3 of my army and they left in a hurry ;)

Really? How did you guess; I signed all the protocols, and was a nice guy....

They probably were concerned by the document that winded up in Polish hands.

I wasn't bluffing. They did leave, I showed them 1/3 of my army and they left in a hurry ;)

From what I gather from Uk itel, they DIDN'T leave. Anyways, I was going on an offensive there, by firing on any ships withing a 50km radius

From what I gather from Uk itel, they DIDN'T leave. Anyways, I was going on an offensive there, by firing on any ships withing a 50km radius

Oh yea, that was Indonesia, my bad. They were going to leave after you left anyways (but then again I don't think they even had any Indochinese holdings to begin with). Your little fleet couldn't do anything to my entire navy ;)

Your entire navy couldn't do anything to my entire fleet! Not that it was anywhere near. We were intending to transports all our non-Baltic fleets to the Baltic under the guise of "good-will visits".

Your entire navy couldn't do anything to my entire fleet! Not that it was anywhere near. We were intending to transports all our non-Baltic fleets to the Baltic under the guise of "good-will visits".

You're kidding right, the Japanese navy is unmatchable! :mischief:

Meanwhile, I was planning to build up and backstab the Japanese.

They even offered to help me kill the communists! After they and all the other chinese were done, I was planning to make my move.

Sorry blackheart, but did you really think I was going to let you take that much of China? ;)

Meanwhile, I was planning to build up and backstab the Japanese.

They even offered to help me kill the communists! After they and all the other chinese were done, I was planning to make my move.

Sorry blackheart, but did you really think I was going to let you take that much of China? ;)

I know you weren't, but I was waiting for nukes to be developed or stockpiles of bio weapons to be done before dealing with you :). And didya really think I didn't want China in civil war? ;)

Well, you seemed pretty eager to let me go just for 2 eco points a turn, which was really a good deal for me, as I had a ton of points left to develop my industry and war capacity.

Well, you seemed pretty eager to let me go just for 2 eco points a turn, which was really a good deal for me, as I had a ton of points left to develop my industry and war capacity.

3 points? Ha. It was pointless for me to continue fighting in China with all the damn rebels. Your economy still couldn't match mine.

It was going to! I had grand industrial plans lined up!!

Me,no big secrets or plans,just remain neutral & build up a nd research new weapons.Then sell it to ya suckers and watch you blow yourself up with all kinds of sick stuff I`d make :D

If Toteone had updated I would have sold the designs for my awesome Jet plane The Messerschnitzel 626 :)

My, what a load of evil backstabber we all are. :)

You're kidding right, the Japanese navy is unmatchable!

Bah! We have cavalry divisions, they would have stolen your entire fleet!

My only goal in this NES was to save as many from the Nazi death camps as possible. Me and Kamilian had some plans going to save as many Jews, etc. as possible. side from that, I was planning to be nice and isolationist like the USA.

That's not a very IC goal...

Ah well. Not that it had any point, as we would have overran Germany and stopped all that death camp nonsense.

(Out of the death camp, into the gulag ;) )

My, what a load of evil backstabber we all are. :)

I wasn't planning to attack first, but I had my suspicions ;).

@ das - I was more concerned about saving the smart people, the Jewish Scientists and Bankers and such that would have made my nation better because of the net gain of smart people. That was my "real" goal.

Ah. Now confess, did you kidnap Einstein?

No. Unfortunately not. I thought he was safe in the USA.

i wish I did though . . .

Who kidnapped and killed Eistein?!!! I demand to know.....

well this had a long drawn out death, oh well it woulda been fun later on though, oh and by the way gelion I did kill mussolini, but i betya axis knew that and i was on the killing block right? (haha hads such good double crossing plans for later)

hmmm.... lets just say you were the first suspect and we were investigating ;) You were on the list - yes, the question was if we should keep you there or not....

You blamed France for that.....

that was before.....