Please post any nominations for the Consul of External Policy here. Please also be free to post any debate questions for the candidates.

Oversees long term planning
of policy regarding other nations. This includes
military plans, long term foreign affairs, and long term
trading goals.

I nominate Mad-Bax

I'm flattered and duly accept my nomination.

mad-bax The Manifesto. (Term 2)

Because I am relatively new here I thought it would be a good idea for people to know what to expect if I win the election.

I will canvas the opinion of the people and will modify this manifesto where strong and contrary public opinion exists, and where to do so will not compromise the rest of the plan.

Long Term Trading Policy.

I will plan for the aquisition of techs through trade, and frame instructions to the Designated Player in terms that allow sufficient flexibility to allow a full turnset to be completed.

I will forbid any trade for Horseback Riding until the Commander of the Armed Forces requires this knowledge.

I will press for the building of a harbor in a city near our capital at the earliest opportunity to facilitate trade with faraway nations.

Long Term Foreign Policy.

It will be my intention to plan for wars against India and the Netherlands. Those plans will require a DoW on India circa 700BC and on the Netherlands circa 400BC. The objectives of the war are set out below.

1. To deprive India of Iron.
2. To deprive the Netherlands of Iron.
3. To acquire Silks.
4. To acquire Spices.
5. To deprive the Netherlands of high food potential sites.

Complete destruction of these rivals will not be contemplated.

It will be my intention to form military alliances among the faraway civs and foment wars amongst them. The intention will be to weave a complex network of alliances that will be difficult for our opponents to extricate themselves from without ruining their reputation.

It will be my intention to establish good and lasting diplomatic relations with the Chinese. To foster this relationship and encourage them to grow and be strong. They will fight our wars for us, and supply us with technology and resources.

It will be my intention to preserve our trading reputation for the entirety of my term.

Military Plans

These are broadly outlined in the Foreign Policy Section.
More detailed plans will be published for public discussion shortly before the commencement of hostilities.

In general terms however and from what I know now I will proceed as follows.
At the beginning of the war we will use swords with a spear at the base of the stack. The intention will be to capture two productive cities from India, and the spear will be used as cheap defence and give pillaging potential where required. This stack will be reinforced by horses once we have built a supply of chariots and have traded for HBR.

Once the silks have been secured we will make peace with India for techs. Our attention will turn to the Netherlands and we will take the spices in the north and the 3 wheat floodplain city using the remnants of the sword stack, which will now be reinforced with around 4 horsemen.

Simultaneously with the DoW on the Netherlands we will attack The Hague with horsemen (since it will not be connected to iron).

We will sue for peace once spices are secure, and the Dutch will give any cities that hem us in to the south in a peace deal.

Where any of this plan conflicts with or requires the support of other offices I will actively lobby for the resources, strategy and tactics with which to achieve its' implementation.

This manifesto is my solemn vow.

I self nominate, and second mad-bax. I also nominate Donovan Zoi

VOTE NOBODY!!! (more to come!!)

Even though I have absolutely no chance and am new here I would like to nominate myself and accept.

As for the inevitable war between the Indians and/or the Dutch:

I propose that India be attacked first and severely weakened but not totally destroyed. If we attack the Netherlands first we risk going to war with a large, resourceful nation, with possibly good reltions with surrounding nations if contact was made.

As for the military strategy I would suggest a slow but steady pace, reflective on industrial tactics:

Light Infantry (maybe a small group of archers and un-upgraded warriors) could serve as a minority of our strike force. A majority would be the heavy infantry (swordsman) possibly supported by mobile units (horseman and un-upgraded chariots).

Using the infamous Mao Tse-Tungs if worse comes to worse and we are somehow forced on the defense:

"The enemy advances, we retreat. The enemy halts, we harrass. The enemy tires, we attack. The enemy retreats, we pursue.'

Well, if not me then mad-bax.

I strongly endorse mad-box and support his nomination. Nice manifesto, too.

Icmancin, you're a very good sport and I admire your pluck.

I'd like to nominate myself and accept. I'll post some stuff in a little bit. Let's see if I can pull a close election again.

Question for the Canidates: Hypothetical situation, Once the war has broken out, how do you plan to deprive India and the Dutch from their iron?

I self nominate, and second mad-bax. I also nominate Donovan Zoi

You just want another rumble with the absentee "old man." :lol:

But thanks! I'll have to decline.

that has been the high light of my demogaming experiance.

Our nation is still in its infancy, and I “Nobody” have come here to you the light.


Our nation is in its first diplomatic phase. Our first goal and the first goal of any game of Civilizations is to expand so that we have large defendable borders that encompass all the strategic goods and luxuries that our citizens so richly deserve. We do this by sending our Settlers and Workers out into neutral and economically viable territory where they establish cities. We then use these cities efficiently to achieve victory. But we are not the only nation, we have already encountered some including the Indians and the Dutch. These other nations are also expanding.

The main task of the External Console is too discuss and create policy on how we will interact with these nations. The fact that we are on a high difficulty and that on high difficulty the A.I. Cheats mean that they will expand faster than us, therefore we will not have the territory necessary for a easy victory. This leaves us with two options to invade and take the economically viable land from our neighbours or too live with what peacefully expansion (and some culture) will give us.

If elected to this position I will discuss the option of war with our neighbours, but I won’t post any “Manifestos” or “doctrines” my only “doctrine” is the will of the people. Everyone is saying that war is a forgone conclusion, but we have some very smart people in our demo game who I am sure can win with only a small land mass. Although it is true one of our neighbours will probably attack us eventually. Although frankly if this was my game I would probably , I promise that I will post neutral polls and follow the will of the people. For the civs I will attempt to keep friendly relations and prosperous trade.

As far as trade goes, my main idea is that we make a profit clear and simple. As long as it doesn’t threaten our security. We have wine and they have money you know what im saying

Military wise, I will plan for declarations and peace treaty’s, but I will leave the battle decisions mainly to the Director. I’m a civilian not a solider. And although I think im pretty good at fighting and wining wars in civ, I can’t draws maps cause will the whole fancy instructions are hard. Also I will lobby governors to build the units that the military needs.

When considering who to vote for please read what I have to say and don’t judge me on some of the stupid things I have said, please look at my results. Look at the second to last term of the last demo game, I was the Foreign Affairs minister. I also promises to bring a sense of Fun to this office. In real life im a stupid living in new Zealand studying commerce, I play grid iron and soccer and I work at a supermarket as a beer merchandiser.

If anyone has any questions feel free to ask, I will answer.

VOTE NOBODY
a vote for democracy

I second Nobody too

Question for the Canidates: Hypothetical situation, Once the war has broken out, how do you plan to deprive India and the Dutch from their iron?

For me this is not a hypothetical situation. We must deprive the Dutch of iron and it would be advantageous to do the same to the Indians.

In order to do this we must identify where all the iron resources are by exploration. Next we must develop a battle plan by working with the commander of the armed forces that will result in the capture of opponent cities that are capable of connecting to the iron. If for any reason, such a plan fails we must at least clear enough space for cities to be placed to enclose the sources of iron within our cutlural border.

Merely pillaging iron resources is not enough.

I strongly endorse mad-box and support his nomination.

You did that on purpose.
Another visit to the school ma'am for you me lad. :D

Question for the Canidates: Hypothetical situation, Once the war has broken out, how do you plan to deprive India and the Dutch from their iron?

hypothetically speaking: i would send my recently ugraded swordsmen to take the citys near the iron so that there iron becomes mine. or if taking the city isnt possiable, i would put some troops on it. also if we have a large artllery (or treb or cannon or what ever) force i like to place them on top of it also to blow any roads around it to peice also, but as i have said, the day 2 day operations will be left to the director when im in charge.

Well, if not me then mad-bax.

there are some other candidates,
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More to come soon remeber vote for me, (no doctrines, no dogma, no manifestos)

I'll self-nominate myself for this job, and of course accept. I'll give a broad outline of my plans later.

Wow, 5 candidates are running for this office and most are relative newbies. Could some of you consider running for some of the other positions instead?

I would be prepared to go for a different office except that the ones that do not have candidates are the ones that are not interesting or have no impact on the game. This office will be VERY interesting in the next term; hence the interest. There is a discussion about merging some offices in the citizen sub-forum. I am sure you have read it.

If there is a position that has no candidate when polling starts then I will switch for the sake of the game. But in that case I will put a lot of effort into getting that position scrapped.

i would but i all ready wrote such a big thing,

there are some other candidates

Sorry Nobody, but mad-bax has a strong point. Not saying that yours isn't...


Anyway for the question.

We cannot depreive India of its iron diplomaticly, as the AI will only trade if it has excess and we have our own. Iron is always the lifeblood of a nations military in the Ancient Age and early Medieval for always-at-war players. I hope that the government will not be overrun by warmongerers. Add horses to iron plus tech to the mixture and you've got a decent chance of a strong military.

Really to deprieve our... ahem... enemies of the iron resources we must first target India (To let everyone know I am not anti-Indian. It just seems they are the under-dog in this scenario). The iron is within sight from our borders. It would be wise to strike while India has no road connected or is in the stage of started to use the iron. But first the political front...

India is surrounded by Fannatannia and the Netherlands. India and the Netherlands seem to be prime targets for our former/current politicians. India is (in my sight) the easiest to defeat in conflict and (if elected) I plan to make a blitzkreig/test war on India, depreive it off its iron and keep it huddled in the corner so we can focus on the Dutch giant.

Before our assault we must isolate India politically (much like Hitler did to Poland. BTW I loathe Nazis). I suggest delaying our attack until we make good relations (temporairly (whoah I suck at spelling)) with our Dutch neighbours so they would be less liable to attack India.

I dont have the v 1.22 patch yet but I will have it tomorrow. Ill get more up-to-date with the years tomorrow. Until then....

VOTE ICMANCIN

EDIT- What in the world was I thinking? Less liable to attack India I meant less liable to stand up for the Indians and attack us!

I have posted an argument for war vs India before war vs the Dutch >>HERE<< (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2649846&postcount=36)

And I have posted a preliminary battle plan >>HERE<< (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2649921&postcount=32) , which would be subject to the scrutiny of the Commander of the Armed forces, naturally.

If the plan is successful there will be two 6 turn wars with a break of 5 turns between them.

Interesting...

We can agree on one thing: A Dutch before Indian campaign would be a failure.

Your battle plan is well laid, but I still prefer a more cautious approach on the Dutch front. I support the Blitzkreig effect on India but i have my doubts on the Dutch... We all know what happen to the Schlieffen Plan don't we?

It has a good chance that the blitz will work on the Dutch BUT...

I do not plan to just leave with some more resources and more cities. I want to leave the Dutch and Indians militaristicly shattered (hence the longer campagin).

In theory, a long war would drive the Dutch resources to military, stunting expansion. It would happen to us as well but the Dutch aren't planing to be attacked are they?

Capture The Hague and Groningen and draw the Dutch into the open. If we sustane a large army AND continued expansion we will eventually beat the Dutch. They will shift to building up strength, thus lowering possible science and settling. They will constantly attempt an assault on their captured terrain but if we have a reserve ready we could beat them before they reach the city. Slowly and painfully they will begin to decline.

I'll pull my nomination of myself then. I think I'll just watch this term.

You did that on purpose.

Who?












ME? :p

Another visit to the school ma'am for you me lad. :D

RL is piling on at the moment, but yes, I do believe the Schoolmarm may take an active interest before long. Though I dunno how I'm going to fit a bax of matches into things . . .

Question for all candidates:

Mad-bax proposes not seeking complete destruction of the Indians or the Dutch.

What are the arguements for and against this?

And for candidates other than mad-bax:

What would your policy be?

Question for all candidates:

Mad-bax proposes not seeking complete destruction of the Indians or the Dutch.

What are the arguements for and against this?

And for candidates other than mad-bax:

What would your policy be?

If you wage war against a neighbour it is far more advantogous to wipe them out. If you don't you will be sourrounded by small hostile nations who will never get over there anger. e.g. Irouois and zulu from last game. and later on if you want to send troops over seas you must always be weary of sneak attacks at home. Now im not saying that if im elected i would wipe out the Indians and Dutch. I would hold discussions and offical polls on if we should wage war. if we do (or we are attacked) i will poll what peace conditions we should accept or if we wipe them out.

Sorry Nobody, but mad-bax has a strong point. Not saying that yours isn't...

Fuhgetaboutit

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Basicly people if you vote for my competitors you are voting for war against India. If you vote for me you will have the option to democraticly decide when we go to war, and if we shale

A VOTE FOR NOBODY, IS A VOTE FOR DEMOCRACY

Basicly people if you vote for my competitors you are voting for war against India. If you vote for me you will have the option to democraticly decide when we go to war, and if we shale

A VOTE FOR NOBODY, IS A VOTE FOR DEMOCRACY

Yes, but isn't the point of voting for people to vote for those who share your views and let them handle it, and if they end up not following as they promised, then you just don't re-elect them? Kind of useless to elect people who are supposed to be representing us if we still have to vote on each thing ourself.

Question for all candidates:

Mad-bax proposes not seeking complete destruction of the Indians or the Dutch.

What are the arguements for and against this?

And for candidates other than mad-bax:

What would your policy be?


I do not want the Dutch and Indians destroyed. There would be no reason to. But if we keep them alive without doing a significant amount of damage our decisions could come back to haunt us. IF we do enough damage to keep them in a poor city, possibly surrounded, they will be practicly part of Fannatannia (Such as Formosa (Taiwan) is to China. Also the poor Tibetans). They will have no choice but to fall in to our demands.

I don't play by wipeing out (or annexing) my eneies unless they are really annoying. So far that is not an option.

Yes, but isn't the point of voting for people to vote for those who share your views and let them handle it, and if they end up not following as they promised, then you just don't re-elect them? Kind of useless to elect people who are supposed to be representing us if we still have to vote on each thing ourself.

Ummm.... from what i understand of the demogame, that is not the way we elect our positions, we elect the best person to do the job, and they carry out the will of the people. other wise we could just elect people at the start of the month and just sit back and watch.