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Commander of the Armed Forces: CivGeneral
Deputy Commander of the Armed Forces: Cavvie


Military Information As of 1375 B.C.E.
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Term I (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=113153)

id like to be deputy......not that u do much as deputy anywayz.....

My Lord Commander,

As you may have seen in my post in the Information Office, I will no longer be providing troop summary information. The reasons are detailed there.

This is information, however, that I feel you are well-suited to provide to the citizens. The original intent was to track the battles of each unit (possible due to the renamings) as it progresses.

Thanks!
-- Ravensfire, Information Office

Commander,
Borrowing a page from Provolutions book I would like to invite you and Mad-Bax to participate in a point counterpoint about wether to war with the Dutch or India first. Make it as long as you feel it should be and discuss anything you feel is relevant, please post your reply in the Camelot Times threar

Commander,

You've said previously a Dutch war would be to deny them iron. However, I assume you didn't look at a 'clean map' (control+shift+m). Utrecht is founded on Iron and is hooked up to their capital, and is a core city. Thus, all we would gain from a Dutch war is a few autorazed size 1 cities. On the other hand, India is the perfect target. We would keep their capital, and possibly other cities, since they are religious, and temples are cheaper, hence more culture = less autorazes. Please think about this.

Domestic Consul

Thus, all we would gain from a Dutch war is a few autorazed size 1 cities.

we could prepare some settlers and spearmen. And as the cities burn we could bulid our own in there place. Giving us a strong core for future expansion. I would prefer Fanatiaan cities rather than Indian citys.

Ok this is a very rough starting template for troop tracking. Give me your input. I don't think we can track every battle but it would be cool to see when units are created, the upgrades and maybe promotions they have plus their decommission dates (or unfortunate losses). The dates here are my estimates from what I could glean from previous session threads. I'm open to all suggestions. By the way, I've attached the pic because I don't know how to paste it directly on...

Actually, I might be getting myself into something quite complicated but it doesn't hurt to try.

Updated: Troops as of 730 BC: The Dawn of War!!!

...I hope people are looking at this.

I have decided to appoint cavvie as the Military Deputy. Its a hard decision since there were many canidates to chose from. cavvie has already showed me to be a capable "hands-on" deputy and has taken the unit tracking on his own :).

I am pleased to adnounce that cavvie is the new Military Deputy and I hope that he will become an active citizen in both the Demogame and CFC community :).

I happily accept this important position. Once again I would like anybody who has anything to say to offer input on the unit tracking if you have any ideas, preferences, or suggestions to make this task easier. Thanks.

Commander,
Will there be a Admiral of the Navy in this demogame. There was one in the last one and though you might think this is a small job, i feel that you should still make a small naval department so that newbs like me can understand how this department and the turnchat works. We may only have one ship now, but later on a naval department could do a lot of good things. Like help manage large transport fleets or reinforce a naval blockade.

Commander,

Could you please prepare an estimate of our victims (I mean neighbors :mischief: ) troop strengths and how many units we have to form in order to bring ourselves to an average position. As stated in the Presidential thread, the primary emphasis would be our geographic region (Netherlands, India, China) but if the same information can also be gathered for the rest of the world it would be appreciated.

Additionally, if we are to go on the offensive versus either India or Netherlands, we will need an estimate of how many troops are needed.

Streingths Comparisons between us and the other nation.

Dutch: We are weak compared to them
Byzatine: We are weak compared to them
Japan: We are weak compared to them
Myan: We are weak compared to them
Portugal: We are weak compared to them
China: We are weak compared to them
India: We are weak compared to them
Persia: We are weak compared to them
Hitties: We are weak compared to them

As you can see, Dave, We need more modern units (Swordsmen) and a larger army. Since the Dutch has an iron resource under Utrecht, I dont forsee any invasions into the Dutch but looking more twards the west and taking India.

Commander,
Will you please respond to my naval post

Streingths Comparisons between us and the other nation.

Dutch: We are weak compared to them
Byzatine: We are weak compared to them
Japan: We are weak compared to them
Myan: We are weak compared to them
Portugal: We are weak compared to them
China: We are weak compared to them
India: We are weak compared to them
Persia: We are weak compared to them
Hitties: We are weak compared to them

As you can see, Dave, We need more modern units (Swordsmen) and a larger army. Since the Dutch has an iron resource under Utrecht, I dont forsee any invasions into the Dutch but looking more twards the west and taking India.

Don't we have iron to build swords. In my opinion we should upgrade all warriors and leave the exploration to the Curragh

Isn't it more expensive to build swords from scratch? we could disconnect the iron, then we could have citys with barracks churn out vet warriors. once we have a sizable force to take on our first enemy, we should reconnect the iron and upgrade our warriors. i also think we should build a few chariots (maybe half a dozen). this could be a kind of blitzkreig force to take out an enemy city by itself.

Although it would have been a little better to keep the iron disconnected for a while we can keep Bentley disconnected and make some warriors there.

Commander,
Will you please respond to my naval post
I dont feel the need (Right now as the Department is still small) to have a Department of the navy since we only have one naval unit.

ok, that's cool.

commander,
Certain events have occured in the past few hours that could be perceived as an attack on you by the camelot times. I personally wrote the article that may have started all this but I am not sure if that was it . Needless to say I only wrote the article and pointed out your switch because it is news, not because I feel any malice towards you. So I offer the sincerest apologies on my behalf for any role I may have had in these troubles

-Mhcarver

I just wanted everyone in the War Room to know That there is a war going on!! Persia and Japan are now are enemies

Yes, I've updated troop status on my previous post. Check that post for updates.

Please consider moving a 2nd garrison to Bentley. At present it houses a scientist because the people would be too unhappy at their normal labours. An additional MP would allow us to produce additional units faster, as well as helping prevent the citizens of this key outpost from abandoning us to join the Indians.

President Dave of the Shack (Sorry, I had to do that ;) ),

I will consider moving one of our troops that is non-esential to Bentley.

Regards,
Commander of the Armed Forces, Surface Marshall CivGeneral

Note: Cant add in Cyborg since we dont have electronics and computers yet :p

(time travelling) Cyborg Surface Marshal,

I would like to point out that a citizen was skipped in the Unit Names. Chieftess had requested a Swordsman Unit to be named Spice Raiders. She had been skipped as we had only been building warriors until recently.

I would currently suggest that your unit naming instructions be:
1. Next Sword produced should be renamed Spice Raiders.
2. Next Sword produced from Camelot should be named Sir Robin.
3. If we produce a Spear it should be named Swiss Guard.
4. Next 3 land units after these should be named: Tuor, Mr. Bean, and Fodder

From the Term 2 Notary of Names Thread:
First Swordsman unit: Spice Raiders; HMS Chieftess if naval

Also currently being skipped:
Next naval unit: Old Ironsides
First Knight: Sir Robin (preferably built in Camelot)

I would also like to point out the next unit names:
1. Swiss Guard if defender; Parceval if Knight
2. ANZAC if horse/knight/cav/tank/MA; HMAS Chuz-Whaza if naval
3. Tuor
4. Mr. Bean
5. Fodder

I have sent PMs to Furiey and classical hero in regards to Sir Robin and #2 and would expect these to be skipped until clarification is recieved. I haven't bothered with a PM for the "Swiss Guard" as the sponsor has not been online in a month; we should skip until we build a defender or a Knight.

Edit: Furiey has replied and a Sword from Camelot would also be fine. She is in line behind CT's sword however.

Commander CivGeneral,

There are calls to declare war this turnchat, possibly even before hitting enter on the current turn. Is your battle plan for India up to date? Also what is your assessment of our defensive capabilities vs possible risk of attack by roving bands of Indian warriors? Are the citizens comfortable with our position?

Thanks! :D


p.s. check your PMs ;)

Commander,

I have started THIS THREAD (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2693025#post2693025) which includes discussion relevant to the interests and duties of your office. My purpose is to stimulate discussion on when we should attack India, and prompt us to make a decision. I invite you to participate in this thread.

Thank you for your consideration.

Commander,
There seems to be some irregularity in the unit naming. I'm trying to update a comprehensive list, but there are a few discrepancies I cannot find as I cannot open the save. Assuming that Cavvie's spreadsheet is correct then it appears that the following 2 units are missing: "Tim the Great" and "groundpounders". Also, it appears that the name ANZAC was given to a slow unit when a fast unit was specifically requested. We also have a warrior named Hadrian but this is nowhere to be found in the Citizens registry.

I will be posting an informational post for the president to address these discrepancies as well as noting the next names in the queue.

Please feel free to visit the Notary of Names thread if you have any questions or concerns.

Updated: Troops as of 730 BC: The Dawn of War!!!

...I hope people are looking at this.

I'm looking at it at least. I would like to suggest that instead of editing your post that you post updates in new posts. This way we also get a history of sorts.

Just a quick reminder, in the upcoming action vs India some people are noticing references in the plan to actions which go beyond the strategic objective. For now it will help to proceed with just the moves which fit into the consul's plans and if stopping at the objective seems to be a bad idea go ahead and jump into the discussion on the objectives. :)

general, i was wondering if you could post a updated list of our military. if its all ready some where just slap me and point me in the right direction

general, i was wondering if you could post a updated list of our military. if its all ready some where just slap me and point me in the right direction
CivGeneral slaps Nobody around a bit with a trout

Look at cavvie's post in post #7 :p

Commander,

May I offer a suggestion regarding your instructions for tonight’s turn chat? Your current instructions target Delhi as the primary target of our military forces, which I believe everyone agrees should be the case. However, the second objective of the strategy developed by the External Consul, and approved by most in the discussion threads, is to next secure Bombay’s silks after we take Delhi. Instead, your battle map suggests the attack on Bombay should be a secondary target (green arrow) while Calcutta (red arrow) should be the main target after we secure Delhi. Might I suggest you switch the arrow between Delhi and Calcutta to green and the arrow between Delhi and Bombay to red? I believe this would meet with everyone’s approval and achieve both your tactical objectives as well as the External Consul’s strategic ones.

Thank you for your consideration.

@Bertie - Done and uploaded a new map

hey, i was looking at the game (for the first time) and i came up with a question. do you have plans to take the indian city to the south? but you better make sure and ask premisson of the king.... i mean mad-bax

he doesnt need to ask max bax, you have gotten the alternage governemtn all wrong.
Mad Bax sets guidelines, CivGeneral can do whatever he wants within those guidelines.
If mad bax didnt say anything about that southern city, then cg chooses.

Commander,

The office of the External Consul has started THIS THREAD (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=116737) to affirm that we want to declare war on the Dutch next. Because such a war would be of great interest to your office, we invite you to join the discussion. We suggest this because we think it might be convenient to integrate all discussion of such a war in one thread. Of course you may very rightly prefer to discuss the specific affairs of your office pertaining to the Dutch war in a separate thread, and we would certainly understand.

@Bertie - I have looked in the thread and have posted my conserns about the first objective of the External Affairs.

I dont forsee any invasions into the Dutch but looking more twards the west and taking India.

I feel that I must point out that this is a completely 180 degrees on one of your election promises "A war against the Dutch, possibly eather eliminate them or force them to become a landlocked nation.
CG. I belive this lead to a number of ppl voting for you u are now using the reasons that i advocated for an invasion for india and not following up on your promise to attack the dutch 1st as implied.

I feel that I must point out that this is a completely 180 degrees on one of your election promises "A war against the Dutch, possibly eather eliminate them or force them to become a landlocked nation.
CG. I belive this lead to a number of ppl voting for you u are now using the reasons that i advocated for an invasion for india and not following up on your promise to attack the dutch 1st as implied.

Wow, that's bringing up a fairly ancient post... ;)

The Consul of External Affairs prioritized India above Netherlands as the first victim based on citizen input, and that we could finish a limited war with India before we are ready to tackle the Dutch. As you can see, it has worked out that way, and we're almost ready for the Dutch already.

I feel that I must point out that this is a completely 180 degrees on one of your election promises "A war against the Dutch, possibly eather eliminate them or force them to become a landlocked nation.
CG. I belive this lead to a number of ppl voting for you u are now using the reasons that i advocated for an invasion for india and not following up on your promise to attack the dutch 1st as implied.
Ali, There is no reason to start attacking me because of that, I feel that this is an attack on my reputation that I had worked so hard to rebuild. I do not advocate nor use mudslinging to damage other people's reputations because I feel that it is not moraly right. I have no control what the External Affairs decide on which civ to attack. I wanted to attack the Dutch first but I had to follow orders from the External Affairs and attack India insted.

This is a Demogame, not the Parlament Model Government. The main difference between the two government sim games is that one is just ment for a good old time (Demogame) while the other is a dog eat dog game (Parlament Model).

Originally Posted by ali
I feel that I must point out that this is a completely 180 degrees on one of your election promises "A war against the Dutch, possibly eather eliminate them or force them to become a landlocked nation.
CG. I belive this lead to a number of ppl voting for you u are now using the reasons that i advocated for an invasion for india and not following up on your promise to attack the dutch 1st as implied.

save it for the next election and then attack him with it. :)

I can understand that the External Affairs office may have forced u into this present situation but why make promises u cannot make nor keep? I apolgise for any offence but I feel due to this promise you were able to rack more voters at the time and now u imply that we are miliariliy incapable for an attack against the Dutch without 1st attacking india all of which i had predicted, perhaps more coorindation is needed with the other depts before making any undue promises.....let us leave it as it is.....so be it till the next election

I can understand that the External Affairs office may have forced u into this present situation but why make promises u cannot make nor keep? I apolgise for any offence but I feel due to this promise you were able to rack more voters at the time and now u imply that we are miliariliy incapable for an attack against the Dutch without 1st attacking india all of which i had predicted, perhaps more coorindation is needed with the other depts before making any undue promises.....let us leave it as it is.....so be it till the next election

I have full intentions of keeping the promise of a Dutch war to make it a reality. I dont want to hear any more of this.

@ Nobody - Please dont encurage him.

Hi CivGeneral,

For the upcoming Netherlands war, we will want to capture Ultrechect, Rotterdam, Amsterdam, The Hague, Holwerd, & Arnhem. After we take these six cities we will assess the situation, and there's a high probability we'll offer the Netherlands peace. We might not, however, so of course you'll need to plan for that possibility.

FYI, the next war on tap will be with Portugal, and I'd like that to commence no later than the year 0. We'll need to transport some of our troops from the Dutch war northwards on ships, so you may want to estimate how many galleys you'll need and ask the Governor to start building some.

Thanks!

Commander,

I saw in the poll thread for the dutch war that you want to draw your plans after the poll closes. May I suggest you reconsider and provide a plan before the next TC (which is tomorrow I believe).

Perhaps it is possible to make a plan that first takes care of the limited objective, and then moves on to the remaining targets? This would cover all possible outcomes of the poll (except "other" or "abstain").

Oh, and actually it is now 7 cities (add Groningen).

@ Nobody - Please dont encurage him.

i was just saying it is a better place to use it.

Dear Commander,

I've started THIS DISCUSSION (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2719230#post2719230) on how we will transport troops in our future war to obtain the Great Pyramids. Troops logistics are of course your responsibility. However, should you decide you'd like to transport all or some of the troops overland, that will require ROPs, which of course are the responsibility of the External Consulate. I started the thread only to expediate discussion of this, and certainly invite you to contribute as the discussion is more about your affairs than mine.

Thanks!

could i see the latest list of units?