View Full Version : Proposed CoL changes: Renaming Captured Cites


MOTH
Apr 01, 2005, 08:31 AM
The CoL is silent in regards to the naming of captured cities. I think these cities should be renamed unless the citiy was either the Original Capitol of a nation or it contains an Great Wonder.

As such I proposed adding Section A. 1. a. 3 and A. 1. a. 3 to the Code of Laws:

New Proposed Subsection Section:
A. Citizen Rights
1. Naming Rights
a. City Names
All cities founded by Fanatannia will be named by citizens
using a rank-based system. The President will maintain
this list in a thread. Should a citizen fail to provide a
city name, they will be skipped until they provide a city
name. The Director of Expansion will include the city name
to be used in the instructions to found that city. No
citizen may name more than one city until all citizens
have named a city.
1. Ranking Order - elected officials
The rank order is based on the term and the Chain of
Command. All officials of an earlier term have priority
over officials of a later term. Within a term, the
Chain of Command will determine who has priority.
2. Ranking Order - citizens
Once all elected officials have named cities, the
Citizen Regsitry will be used to name cities, using the
order citizens were registered.
3. Captured Cities - cities of great renown
When a city containing an original AI capitol or a Great
Wonder is captured there will be a discussion/polling on
whether it should be renamed.
4. Captured Cities - cities of no great renown
Will be renamed based on the date of capture using
the city naming list.

Old (original) Section:
A. Citizen Rights
1. Naming Rights
a. City Names
All cities founded by Fanatannia will be named by citizens
using a rank-based system. The President will maintain
this list in a thread. Should a citizen fail to provide a
city name, they will be skipped until they provide a city
name. The Director of Expansion will include the city name
to be used in the instructions to found that city. No
citizen may name more than one city until all citizens
have named a city.
1. Ranking Order - elected officials
The rank order is based on the term and the Chain of
Command. All officials of an earlier term have priority
over officials of a later term. Within a term, the
Chain of Command will determine who has priority.
2. Ranking Order - citizens
Once all elected officials have named cities, the
Citizen Regsitry will be used to name cities, using the
order citizens were registered.

CivGeneral
Apr 01, 2005, 09:06 AM
I beleve that this alright by my taste :).

Ashburnham
Apr 01, 2005, 09:10 AM
Looks to be an excellent addition. Good job spotting out a hole in our CoL, MOTH.

Bertie
Apr 01, 2005, 09:45 AM
Good idea. I support this change.

cavvie
Apr 01, 2005, 09:48 AM
I can see the utility of this amendment for the purpose of getting more citizen names into the game but I personally prefer keeping the names of conquered cities around to be reminded of how much we rock. Then again, I don't really like my city names that much and your proposed amendment keeping the names of cities of reknown is a good compromise.

MOTH
Apr 01, 2005, 10:02 AM
@cavvie,
This is basically how we've done this in the past with captured cities. W haven't has the city naming in the CoL before and before did this just based on "tradition". When that tradition was then made into actual written law this part was left out. So, I'm just basically filling in an ommission.

ravensfire
Apr 01, 2005, 10:10 AM
Looks good to me!

-- Ravensfire

cavvie
Apr 01, 2005, 11:18 AM
@cavvie,
This is basically how we've done this in the past with captured cities. W haven't has the city naming in the CoL before and before did this just based on "tradition". When that tradition was then made into actual written law this part was left out. So, I'm just basically filling in an ommission.

:goodjob:

Just givin` my two cents, that's all. Thanks for the info.

DaveShack
Apr 01, 2005, 12:26 PM
I'd say post a mock poll for the 24 hour minimum review. When all the court members have checked in we can proceed with a JR. :goodjob:

MOTH
Apr 01, 2005, 02:11 PM
Mock Poll:

Do you approve of the following addition to the Code Of Laws:

Yes/No/Abstain

Addition of Section A. 1. a. 3 and A. 1. a. 4 to the Code of Laws as follows:

New Proposed Subsection Section:
A. Citizen Rights
1. Naming Rights
a. City Names
All cities founded by Fanatannia will be named by citizens
using a rank-based system. The President will maintain
this list in a thread. Should a citizen fail to provide a
city name, they will be skipped until they provide a city
name. The Director of Expansion will include the city name
to be used in the instructions to found that city. No
citizen may name more than one city until all citizens
have named a city.
1. Ranking Order - elected officials
The rank order is based on the term and the Chain of
Command. All officials of an earlier term have priority
over officials of a later term. Within a term, the
Chain of Command will determine who has priority.
2. Ranking Order - citizens
Once all elected officials have named cities, the
Citizen Regsitry will be used to name cities, using the
order citizens were registered.
3. Captured Cities - cities of great renown
When a city containing an original AI capitol or a Great
Wonder is captured there will be a discussion/polling on
whether it should be renamed.
4. Captured Cities - cities of no great renown
Will be renamed based on the date of capture using
the city naming list.

Old (original) Section:
A. Citizen Rights
1. Naming Rights
a. City Names
All cities founded by Fanatannia will be named by citizens
using a rank-based system. The President will maintain
this list in a thread. Should a citizen fail to provide a
city name, they will be skipped until they provide a city
name. The Director of Expansion will include the city name
to be used in the instructions to found that city. No
citizen may name more than one city until all citizens
have named a city.
1. Ranking Order - elected officials
The rank order is based on the term and the Chain of
Command. All officials of an earlier term have priority
over officials of a later term. Within a term, the
Chain of Command will determine who has priority.
2. Ranking Order - citizens
Once all elected officials have named cities, the
Citizen Regsitry will be used to name cities, using the
order citizens were registered.

mhcarver
Apr 01, 2005, 02:34 PM
I like this and whatever it.

mad-bax
Apr 01, 2005, 03:02 PM
Yes. It just puts right an oversight. It's fine by me. :)

blackheart
Apr 01, 2005, 03:17 PM
Ditto with everyone who has agreed.

Furiey
Apr 02, 2005, 03:29 AM
Something that I could see leading to disagreements:

The time taken for the discussion/polling process for cities of great renown will probably mean that further cities will be captured while this is going on. Should the city of great renown if it is renamed take a name in the original sequence or not? If it is renamed and a citizen's/leader's name is used then the ones subsequently capured would have to be delayed to keep the sequence or the arguements that we have seen in previous demogames over that should have been my city will arise again. Perhaps it would be simpler to say that cities of great renown will not be renamed and leave it at that.

On the poll, as it is an addition and not a change it might make it simpler to just put the section of the CoL up once with the addition marked in another colour for clarity, otherwise the reader has to compare all the unchanged stuff just to check it is unchanged.

MOTH
Apr 02, 2005, 07:59 AM
Good points furiey. I'm fine with not renaming the big cites. Make more sense for the tourist attraction aspect of wonders.

Any other thoughts before I repost a mock poll?

mad-bax
Apr 02, 2005, 09:02 AM
This won't happen of course, but I think it would be quite nice give cities of great renown the name of the city they were built in in real life.

LeeT911
Apr 02, 2005, 04:03 PM
While I like the sound of mad-bax's idea, what would we do if the AI were to build the Pyramids and the Oracle in the same city? Or if we capture the city holding the Oracle but the Greeks are in the game?

On another note, I fully support this addition.

Provolution
Apr 04, 2005, 12:31 AM
please feel to go ahead and run this through the system, and it will be handled expediently.

MOTH
Apr 04, 2005, 07:39 AM
Another Mock Poll taking the practicalities pointed out by Furiey into account:

Do you approve of the following addition to the Code Of Laws:

Yes/No/Abstain

Addition of Section A. 1. a. 3 and A. 1. a. 4 to the Code of Laws as follows:

New Proposed Subsection Section (additions in blue:
A. Citizen Rights
1. Naming Rights
a. City Names
All cities founded by Fanatannia will be named by citizens
using a rank-based system. The President will maintain
this list in a thread. Should a citizen fail to provide a
city name, they will be skipped until they provide a city
name. The Director of Expansion will include the city name
to be used in the instructions to found that city. No
citizen may name more than one city until all citizens
have named a city.
1. Ranking Order - elected officials
The rank order is based on the term and the Chain of
Command. All officials of an earlier term have priority
over officials of a later term. Within a term, the
Chain of Command will determine who has priority.
2. Ranking Order - citizens
Once all elected officials have named cities, the
Citizen Regsitry will be used to name cities, using the
order citizens were registered.
3. Captured Cities - cities of great renown
When a city containing an original AI capitol or a Great
Wonder is captured it will not be renamed.
4. Captured Cities - cities of no great renown
Will be renamed based on the date of capture using
the city naming list.

Provolution
Apr 04, 2005, 07:47 AM
MOTH excellent amendment proposal, I look forward to add it to our laws.
I wish we had the same stringent judicial regime last DG.