The game isn't out yet, but it looks really good. Go see for yourself at GameSpot.com. The graphics are nice. Plus got nice units. The game is coming from Europe, so who ever lives in Europe should see the game at you local Wal - Mart..:D (If you have a Wal - Mart).

The game was suppose to come April 18th or 19th..but it got postponed for May 10th. They said they want the game more spread out in stores so more people can buy it..

Now I have to wait a little over a month.. :(

Oh, well but it looks good!!

Anybody have it if your from Europe?? Is it good??

- TP

It looks good, but I'll wait for a review of it to go furthur than that. Screenshots and videos can't really tell much except playing like a demo. But it looks cool.

EDIT: I didn't see the demo, but I'll play that.

EDIT: You have to create an account here but not at http://www.knights-of-honor.net/jump.php?go=en|5|downloads%2Fdemo.php

EDIT: Bah! After an hour or so of downloading and then unzipping it, I get some dumb error about antivirus program or something. Don't count on this demo...

I would play the demo if I could..but on this putt putt 56k modem, it would take me....

12 HOURS!!!!

I think I'll wait until the game comes out...:D

- TP

I played the demo and it is very fun. You cant save and that sucks, but I'm playing it on my laptop and I just hibernate it and then turn it on and keep playing. I cant play any other games at the same time without major slowdown but this is fun. I'm playing as Scotland and have alliences with almost everyone except ingland who I'm at war with. And Im earning about 200 gold per turn/or period or whatever. You have to get a very lucky start, but its real fun. Cant wait for it to come out.

Is the game more like Civ, or AoE?

well its got ellements of both and lots of other games like Lord of the Realms, Rise of Nations, and lots of others. Its got a steep learning curve though. My suggestions, keep trying until you get a favourable start, Make trade aggreements with everyone, get lots of merchants and trade.You can get upt to about 200 gold a turn if you do this. and then just play as you like.

A lot of it is getting a good start but the demo lets you only start out as Scotland (which in my opinion is worse because you are secluded and the limited number of countries near you dont always ally with you or allow trade for that matter) or Bohemia (which has many more countries near you to ally, trade, or attack. The problem is that you start out small with either of these areas (they only have 2 provinces to begin because the demo only allow these 2) and basically anyone you attack is much stronger than you. Just go through the tutorial, play the addictive game, make merchants and trade with the bigwigs, and enjoy AMAP until the real game comes out (May 10th) when you will have a bizillion more options (99.9% more countries than the demo, cleric and spy, and more options altogether).

To be simple, if you like medieval games and are willing to learn the jist of it, you are in for a lot of fun with Knights of Honor.

And it's probably closest to Rise of Nations, but don't expect it to be the same just somewhat similar (basically much more options and things to do than AOE2)

Thanks guys for a more in depth view. I would download the Demo, but slow connection.

You guys planning on buying it??

Thanks guys for a more in depth view. I would download the Demo, but slow connection.

You guys planning on buying it??

yeah I'm buying it! The demo countries stink, but I can tell it will be fun. Theres so many diplomacy and espionage options. It promises to be great.

Well I started over, with Scotland I currently have 4 provinces, England ceases to exist, Wales will soon. I'm raking in the cash, I'm getting 250 gold a turn and at one point I was getting 320. I have 2 powerful armies and 1 decent one. One of my towns is prettymuch an impenetrable fortress. But yeah it would be cool to start as one of the big countries.

Thanks guys for a more in depth view. I would download the Demo, but slow connection.

You guys planning on buying it??

Yea I probably will buy it because it is close to its release. If I knew about it back in September when the demo came out it would be long gone but since it's less than a month til releasing yea I probably will get it one way or another.

Don't be confused by how it sounds like Age of Empires. It is similar but don't expect a two-three hour game. To finish it will probably take a day and its website says an average game is 20-25 hours so when you start and are nowhere near what someone brags about, realize that they are probably hours into it. But the demo version can't save, so the best bet is to just pause it and hibernate your computer when turning it off.

Do you think the multiplayer option will be good? It looks pretty good...Its 6 players..usually there are 8 but hey if the demo is good then the game must be good...

Well for multiplayer you cant play on Europe like in single player but thats because it lasts 20-25 hours but some people would still play, they play then save then continue, there are different types of battles, like open battlefeild, historical battle, a tower mode, river crossing, and town assault. its fun but not as much as play on Europe mode.

Well it looks like you can Lord Draegon but since there are no options under the category that might be the big multiplayer campaign you can't be sure.

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=453003
read it, it plainly states the multiplayer shall only encompass the battlefeild.
I am currently getting 500 gold a turn (woohoo)

I'm Bohemia, and I'm making 100+ GPT

6 provinces, Germany is my vassal, and I have 3 armies. It's a fun game. 3rd most powerful at one point. Now I'm 6th

It's a kind of a nice game, though I can't really appriciate it, having played Rome: Total War.

Well apparently you can only play for a limited time. It was gooing great 700 gpt 6 provinces, conquering 7th. and then the game retire's me. I ended up being the 3rd most powerful nation. cant wait for full game.

Well apparently you can only play for a limited time. It was gooing great 700 gpt 6 provinces, conquering 7th. and then the game retire's me. I ended up being the 3rd most powerful nation. cant wait for full game.

I was just about to post that to see if that happened to anyone else. I was Scotland, and ended up 2nd most powerful.

Got to love Scotland conquering England. :p

Chance of Zarn getting game: 99%

yep. its real fun. I just hac=ve 2 armies with all the units highlanders. Some of the greatest marshall skills are Dread, lowers enemy morale wich helps alot especially when their whole entire army surrenders, Enforcer, more loot from villages, siege mastery(or whatrever its called) for less atrition, the one that increases marching speed. If your armies is more powerful than his( which they should be) morale boosting skills arent really worth if they're pretty equal they become more valuable, and if you are less powerful, well you'll probably lose anyway.
Always get your trade agreements, pacts of nonagression, and aliances early in the game when its easier.
I usually have 6 traders, 1 builder(usually my king) and 2 marshalls(1 is my prince) and it works out pretty good. If i need another army I fire a merchant and hire another marshal. I dont think Ive wever need more than 3 marshalls.
Always get an inn in every city and try to get a hostell. It helps with hapiness and increases production.

I believe it only lets you get up to 6 provinces. After you secure a 7th, the demo is over.

Hmm. It's nice to know that. Also, how do you get another territory (province) to become your vassal. @ Someone above who said Germany was their vassal, I know that's not from the demo (I'm pretty sure) because when you start out in Scotland or Bohemia you only have 2 provinces while FGermany has like 10. I was amazed that my kingdom power dropped 3 points when I broke off from being a vassal of Germany!!

Hmm. It's nice to know that. Also, how do you get another territory (province) to become your vassal. @ Someone above who said Germany was their vassal, I know that's not from the demo (I'm pretty sure) because when you start out in Scotland or Bohemia you only have 2 provinces while FGermany has like 10. I was amazed that my kingdom power dropped 3 points when I broke off from being a vassal of Germany!!

Surprisingly, it happenbed. They had fought a lot of previous wars, and were smaller. I captured Hesse, and demanded them to be my vassal. They accepted.

I got Ireland to be my vassal in the demo. You have to beat them up well. :p

Man, the more I read your guys previews, the better it gets!! They is going to an awesome game...

In the demo, do you get all the units?? Plus, i read something like a zoom feature..or not a zoom feature...hmm I forgot...how do you zoom into cities to see the beautiful castles on the screenshots??

Don't know about close ups on castles...

For conquering you could take a province or two and demand them to be a vassal. Then give back their provinces (you don't have to deal with rebels, you don't have to build up the province(s), you still get money from it/them, you don't have to conquer all their territory, and your game does not end from conquering).

Ireland, England, Wales, Denmark, Norway, and someone else (don't remember who) all gave me nice stacks of gold for putting the hurt on them.

Man, the more I read your guys previews, the better it gets!! They is going to an awesome game...

In the demo, do you get all the units?? Plus, i read something like a zoom feature..or not a zoom feature...hmm I forgot...how do you zoom into cities to see the beautiful castles on the screenshots??

No Spearmen, not much cavalry. But you can still get swordsmen, light cavalry, peasants, etc. However, it is possible to find mercenary camps and hire heavy cavalry, special swordsmen (I.e Saracens) or even Spearmen

Yea I was about to say that. Sometimes in your province you might not have a swordsmith or whatever but at mercecary camps you get units at great bargain. Here's why:
1. They are yours to buy at regular price for no exception (unless of course you don't have room)
2. You don't need any buildings required for them because they are already alive.
3. You don't have to pay food for them like when your marshal is in your castle and you have to pay those expensive food amounts (like 50 wheat for an archer!!!)
So just bring your marshal up to it and it'll say Hire men! Then click on em to do it.

Also, I just finished my game (very sadly!) but it wasn't from provinces. IF YOU'RE WONDERING HOW THE DEMO ENDS MINE DID BECAUSE MY KING DIED AND THEN THE HEIR DIED AS WELL. It sounds short but they take a long time.

Also I was surprised because my first Duke had 1 boy, and that boy, (whom was married) had 3 boys and 3 girls!!!!

Dang this game is gonna be great when it comes out (for saving, clerics, spies, and being able to control the 100+ countries not just two...

To anwser TrukingPete's question you can only look into your cities and castsles during batlle and you cant do that in the demo.
and cant wait to use clerics to remove nostalgia.

Okay thanks for the answers!!

LESS than a MONTH until the game somes out!!!! :D :D

I'm having trouble playing it. I'm going to reboot my computr or something

Yea Lord Draegon you can go into battle mode...
When your army encounters another outside a town and when neither is camped or garrisoned it'll pop up saying Fight, Enter battle, or retreat. Obviously, retreat is retreat. Fight means the AI battles it out, basically army vs army with no advantages or disadvantages this way. Enter Battle means you zoom in and control your forces. IMO this takes way too long so I never do it.

Also, if anyone likes the Knights of Honor music go here (http://www.knightsofhonor.com/) and under the Download section at the top click music. Once there, the entire soundtrack is at your fingertips. I put it onto a CD for myself, but if anyone likes the main theme song when you first enter the demo of KoH I can'y find that on the list. Maybe because it's kinda short...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/rbis4rbb/koh.jpg

I just finished a game. Germany was my vassal, but got destroyed.

My last game I was Bohemia. The prince of Bohemia was married to the princess of Sicily (2nd most powerful, no heir, and only 5 points behind Bohemia at the end). Germany (10th I believe) and Poland (not powerful at all) were my vassals. I just went to war with the Latins, due to an alliance (who seemed to gobble up Hungary) just before the game ended. I believe France was 3rd most powerful. I was allied with them as well. England was grateful to me, because they were Germany's vassal before I made Germany my vassal.

Too bad I don't have a screen shot.

How did you become most powerful??

The last game I played, I was most hated. I was at war with nearly everyone in western Europe except Sweden and Norway.

How did you become most powerful??

The last game I played, I was most hated. I was at war with nearly everyone in western Europe except Sweden and Norway.

I honestly don't know. My units were mostly light cavalry and swordsman (which means higher military power than counties with peasant armies so that may have helped), and I had alot of merhcant knights plus two vassals. There also was not an AI with alot of power. In other games, there seemed to be at least two dominant powers, and that was not the case in that game. My kingdom power was at 5. All the unit garrison places (on the left side as the right side is the Marhsal's troops) were filled with swordsman, cavalry, or whatever. My decent military was the biggest difference between this game and previous ones, where I would use swordsman and peasants, but not so much cavalry.

Is there any difference between the two demos avaible here (expect file size)?
http://www.strategyinformer.com/downloads/knightsofhonor.shtml#id730

Is there any difference between the two demos avaible here (expect file size)?
http://www.strategyinformer.com/downloads/knightsofhonor.shtml#id730

http://www.strategyinformer.com/downloads/knightsofhonor/901/KoHDemo_US.exe/download.shtml

I'm dlin'g that one to see if it's different

It's no different, except the intros a little different

You know it seems that Rise of Nations and Knights of Honor are somewhat similar.
1. They both have quite large demo versions with basically the same stuff available.
2. In both demos you can't save, which sucks obviously.
3. In both there are exotic goods/special goods or whatever you want to call them (like silver and mountains and whatnot).

Yea I know there are more differences than similarities but still go try the Rise of Nations demo if you're into KoH and if you like it you won't have to wait until May 10th because it's already out and been out.


EDIT: Also, has anyone downloaded the patch? I'm assuming it's for the demo because the game hasen't come out yet but it has in other countries...


Also, is there a numbered relationship between kingdoms? When looking at the patch for it there was something about that but I never knew there was a numbered relationship.

Hasnt it come out in Europe?

Hasnt it come out in Europe?

Yeah I think so.

It was released here 2004-10-31.

@WickedSmurf do you have the game since you mention it is out "here." I'm assuming you live in Europe so have you played the entire game or do you have it?

And @ anyone, is there a numbered relationship between kingdoms as I have reasons mentioned in my last post?

Yeah I obtained it about a week ago, and I live in Sweden (which in fact is in Europe). I am currently playing the full version of the game and I have now united Scandinavia (and parts of present day Germany) under the blue and yellow flag. :smug:

Yeah I obtained it about a week ago, and I live in Sweden (which in fact is in Europe). I am currently playing the full version of the game and I have now united Scandinavia (and parts of present day Germany) under the blue and yellow flag. :smug:

Look out everyone, it's a Swedish Bonaparte! :p

Do you know if it is any easier to start with a larger kingdom or a smaller kingdom? Kingdoms that start out large seem to have alot more people declaring war on them early.

So far I've only played as Sweden, starting with 3 regions. I'm playing on "normal" difficulty and the start is calm. Other kingdoms have just started noticing me now when I'm a major power in Europe. Demands start coming, kingdoms want alliances, want me to attack others et cetera.

I can recommend starting small. It gives you time to do a decent build up. No-one puts any pressure what so ever on you.

Also if someone like your ally demands you to attack someone and you have a 5 kingdom power (for example) is there a way to get by without your kingdom power dropping? If you say yes it drops because you're hurting a relationship with another country, but if you say no you make your ally who asked you become mad.

Also @WickedSmurf, in singleplayer is all that you can do either a Europe one, a quick game thing (battle), or a tutorial? Is there no campaign? or is that the Europe.

Also if someone like your ally demands you to attack someone and you have a 5 kingdom power (for example) is there a way to get by without your kingdom power dropping?

The times I've failed an ally, my power has dropped.


If you say yes it drops because you're hurting a relationship with another country, but if you say no you make your ally who asked you become mad.

Diplomacy is tricky indeed. :crazyeye:


Also @WickedSmurf, in singleplayer is all that you can do either a Europe one, a quick game thing (battle), or a tutorial? Is there no campaign? or is that the Europe.

There is a tutorial (haven't done it though). No campaign, just "Play on Europe".

I know when you fail an ally it drops but even if you go along with them it drops too because you breaking a relationship or starting a bad one with another country.

So do you guys lead the battles or do you let the marshals handle them?

So do you guys lead the battles or do you let the marshals handle them?

Marshals, but when I get the game, I may start leading some.

If it's about even forces, i let the marshals handleit. But If I outnumber them 3:1 I go for it

1000 post :D

I always lead them when i can. Its especially fun when i have 2 armies filled with all Highlanders. I kill you all mwahhaahahaaahhaahaha seriosly, its really hard to stop. Well there are historical battles aso those are knid of scenarios.

Most of the time I let the marshals take care of it. Once I start losing I normally retreat. It's of no use staying if it says balanced or losing slightly or worse, because I'm in it to win and I don't want to take a chance of losing a precious marshal just because there's a 50/50 chance. Also, I don't like to lead because it takes so long and you can't do anything else while you do that. Maybe if it was a simple battle but not when the enemy constantly runs away and you start out on the battlefield so far away from each other.

Also, what are you people's favorite marshal skills.
Hands down, the best one is definitely the one that lets you fortify. It's like automatically 125% better defense when you use it and sometimes the computers are stupid so you fortify and they stand there while you shoot arrows at them and slowly lower their HP. If they are smart they will come attack you but then you have souped-up defense. But you only want to do this mainly with peasants because, believe it or not, they have the most HP out of units available in the demo. The highlanders and other more expensive warriors are stronger but have less HP, so when your marshal is fortified and so is an enemy one, watch the HP go down at the same rate for both of you, but when the enemy has peasants his HP is like 360 as opposed to like 240 or something.

So share some of your favorite marshal skills. :D

Considering that one higlander can kill many peasants and it takes many peasants to kill one highlander, yeah they win. You dont even have to hav a full army to defeat peasants.

I never lead the fights myself, always let the marshals handle them.

As for the skills, it depends on whether I am planning on using the marshal for something special or not. Usually I give him Learning, Strategist, Dread and Tactics.

Man I just played a game (continued from yesterday) but it made me retire in the game. I was just about to conquer my 7th province, so that's probably another way it ends. I think that's how it did end because it was the only battle I knew of and when the retiring screen popped up I heard, "I am more skilled now" or one of those things they say when you when a battle. Here were my stats at the end:

Overall Power: 6/29
Largest Kingdom: 11/29
Happiest Population: 2/29
Best Merchant: 8/29
Strongest military: 7/29
Wealthiest Kingdom: 4/29
Most respected kingdom: 19/29
Most hated kingdom: 27/29

I was Scotland and it was really a cool game this time. I was allies with England and we had a royal wedding, and when England's king died I said No to "Do you want to take their kingdom" and then we became united. I took over Ireland and then Wales, which didn't bother England even though it was their vassal. Then we took over the little country above Portugal in the NW part of the little island with Spain but England got it and I got one of Castilia's provinces directly west of that. I was then attacking Bolivia or something that started with a "B" but when I got it it ended ;-(

Well post some or your scores.

This is from a game I retired from about two days ago due to heavy wars. Playing as Sweden, I conquered my way down on the continent in to present day France and Germany. Broke an alliance, had my KP drop to -5, which made many kingdoms declare war on me. Wasn't fun just warring so I retired and started a new one. :p Well, here's the score from the game I didn't finish.

Might as well add that trade was booming for the Northern kingdom. :smug: I had two kingdom advantages (Crop Rotation and another one that I can't remember) and 4 vassalages from crusades. The Pope was also in my royal court.

Starting a new game today, on "hard" difficulty. "Normal" just wasn't that challenging.

1: How many times must you upgrade a cleric so that he can become Pope? Or how do you get your cleric to become Pope basically?
2: How long did this game of yours take? Sounds like it took quite a while.

I think I'll be Sicily first in the full US version. Naples would be my first victim.

I see a couple of advantages. I start out small, and I can catch some invaders coming via sea. I also have a foothold on the mainland.

1: How many times must you upgrade a cleric so that he can become Pope? Or how do you get your cleric to become Pope basically?

He was a fully educated cleric, 5 stars, and when the pope died, he became the new one. :) I don't know how, you have to ask the cardinals about that one. :p There was a message that said "The pope died and now your cleric is the pope".

2: How long did this game of yours take? Sounds like it took quite a while.

Yah indeed... I got really caught up in it, played several hours/day for about a week or so. Mind you, I didn't finish it properly due to too many wars (low kingdom power = kingdoms declare war on you CONSTANTLY) so a real game could carry on for a long long time. Hopefully I'll LAN it with some friends this weekend! :D

He was a fully educated cleric, 5 stars, and when the pope died, he became the new one. :) I don't know how, you have to ask the cardinals about that one. :p There was a message that said "The pope died and now your cleric is the pope".



Yah indeed... I got really caught up in it, played several hours/day for about a week or so. Mind you, I didn't finish it properly due to too many wars (low kingdom power = kingdoms declare war on you CONSTANTLY) so a real game could carry on for a long long time. Hopefully I'll LAN it with some friends this weekend! :D

I think the five stars helped. ;)

Who were you vassals and what provinces did you take? I recall you expanding South, so Germany and Denmark were victims?

Darn, I might get the British version because I can't wait! Then again, I can't stand "Colur" and "Honour"

I think the five stars helped. ;)

Who were you vassals and what provinces did you take? I recall you expanding South, so Germany and Denmark were victims?

I conquered all of Norway and Denmark (yay go me!) and most of present day Germany, Poland, Belgium and Netherlands. Also had some chunks of Austria, Switzerland, France... :p Also a wee bit into Russia and the Baltic states.

With only 4 marshals it gets very stressful, sending them all across Europe time and time again. Had game speed set to 0.5 constantly.

Only had two vassalages, provinces formed after my marshals went on crusades. I granted one of them independence and my Kingdom Power dropped to -5. :sad: So far my best KP has been 0. :p

I really like this game. Obviously. :p

Why haven't you increased Kingdom power? I do it immediately, when it's cheap to do.

yeah a +5 kingdom power gives you -15 rebellion chance, and a boost to your gold.

When you start out I always hire like 6 merchants and get Kingdom Power to 5 asap. I will normally try to have one major ally with maybe a wedding and we will have the best relationship (united) and you try not to do things that hurt your KP. If you have a situation when you must drop it one way or the other, do the better thing, even if it means lower kingdom power. Remember, you can always increase kingdom power back but you can't always mend a broken relationship.

In the early game I allocate my gold strictly towards buildings and armies. Promote the royal family to merchants, that's about it. Later in the game I raise my KP to 0 all the time (since I keep on breaking deals and such :p) and I have a hard time to find enough piety to raise KP. When I take a new town, I immideately (sp?) take over management and it costs piety. In the game I'm currently playing I'm taking new towns like crazy so as soon I have enough piety I take over management in one town, and usually 3-4 more are waiting to be "assimilated". I would very much like to have a positive KP but I for now I'll have to settle for not having a negative one.

In my next game I won't sign alliances... :ack:

How many Kingdom Advantages have you guys earned?

get KP in the begining when its cheaper and you can afford it. It will make your game easier trust us.

I don't have any gold to allocate towards KP in the beginning. How can you afford that? Don't you buy armies and build buildings? Am I starting with less cash?

Well I also rarely have enough cash at the begginig to afford KP but i slowly save up for it. And usualy I dont start building Armies until I have money to spend and lots of it. and if you have enough happiness you can double their taxes. and you can get happiness from kingdom Power. usually I get 2 KP and double their taxes. Eventually you can get enough money for KP.

Here's the plan... If you start out small normally no one will attack you very quick (in my experience with the demo). Also, at the beginning always make royal family merchants and whenever you get 1000 more gold get another merchant until you get like 5. Then get your kingdom power. Also, make lots of trade agreements with like the top ten best ones but only make like one of two alliances with people whom you can trust. Once you have those upgrades you can start on armies. Also, whenever possible build a building even if it means waiting another few minutes to hire another merchant, because buildings take forever to build...

As for happiness, all you really must do is marry off your heir/heirs and this will tremendously increase happiness by like 9 and slowly decrease. Until the number gets to like 1 or 2 (the bad side of happiness) double taxes. Also, build inns, and all things that increase happiness. KP is the easiest way to increase happiness.

Also @WickedSmurf in the demo I think it's impossible to get a kingdom advantage.
1. The area you start out never has enough things.
2. No one close has all the required elements.
3. You can't build any advanced buildings.
Basically without the real game you can't get any.

The best thing to do in the very beginning is to demand gold from every nation. Hurts relations, but you can always mend those

Ah so you all are playing the demo? I'm the only one playing the full game?

yep i guess so but the principle is the same except you can do more stuff. and i have found demanding gold usually works. I always demand gold from faraway small powerless countries, who cant do anything to me.

Is demanding gold early on really that effective?
Also, how big are the countries you demand gold from?
And how much do you usually demand?

It actually is pretty much the 1-3 province countries, and they almost always comply. The highest they can pay, which is sometimes only 200 but even that helps. sometimes i get a couple thousand and that helps alot.

Lol WickedSmurf ya we all been talking about the demo.
I don't know what I would've done if it was back in September when the demo came out because back then the release date was October 04. It's been like 8 months since then and it will supposedly release May 10th here in the U.S.

lol watch it release right before Civ IV ;)

On May 10th, I plan to...

Go to school
Go to my local Wal - Mart
Buy Knights of Honor
Play for hours until i have to go to bed

WAIT! what bed..:D Play all night..

Lol WickedSmurf ya we all been talking about the demo.

Oh. Well, that explains some things. :)

I don't know what I would've done if it was back in September when the demo came out because back then the release date was October 04. It's been like 8 months since then and it will supposedly release May 10th here in the U.S.

Kinda odd that the release over there is so late? Well, it's a good game, definately worth waiting for!

Yea, but if I had heard of it back in September not like a month ago I probably would have never remembered it by now. It's so close (under 2 weeks I think) that it's still fresh on my mind though.

Also @WickedSmurf, in the full game are the advanced buildigns worth buying? We can't get any in the demo but also in the demo it's impossible to get a kindgom advantage. It's alos bothersome in the demo to not be able to hire spies but the enemies can, which you can tell when it says "Your king has mysteriously died" or something to that effect.

Advanced buildings are definately worth going for. The kingdom advantages gives your kingdom very nice bonus. So you can't in the demo construct an Admirality and import Exotic Goods then?

The first royal court member I hire and educate is always a spy. Not until he has 5* do I hire someone. I'm waaaay too paranoid, and very bad things have happened... I hired a merchant, who turned out to be an enemy spy and took off with 50% of the gold in my treasury. Once my kingdom heir was murdered by a spy...

Spies are necessary to protect your kingdom.

:)

Weee! Finally got the votes necessary to become Supreme Ruler of the Old World. :)

Was about damn time, too. :p This was on Normal difficulty, going to have a crack at Hard now.

Advanced buildings are definately worth going for. The kingdom advantages gives your kingdom very nice bonus. So you can't in the demo construct an Admirality and import Exotic Goods then?

The first royal court member I hire and educate is always a spy. Not until he has 5* do I hire someone. I'm waaaay too paranoid, and very bad things have happened... I hired a merchant, who turned out to be an enemy spy and took off with 50% of the gold in my treasury. Once my kingdom heir was murdered by a spy...

Spies are necessary to protect your kingdom.

:)

I can't wait!

Wow that is paranoid. I have only actually had my king killed twice. and that was usually because i dont make anyone mad until i have my full compliment of knights.

How does having a 5 star spy protect you?

Also, does it go from 0 to 1 to 3 to 5 stars? I can't tell because some screenshots only have like 3 and 5.

And also, will the game continue to play as long as you have an heir? If not, then what happens. Is that where it sends the message to your people with a royal wedding about taking over? Please explain this to me.

How does having a 5 star spy protect you?

If you don't send him to any missions, just keep him at your court, he'll look out for and protect your court against other spies.

Also, does it go from 0 to 1 to 3 to 5 stars? I can't tell because some screenshots only have like 3 and 5.

0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

5 is as good as it gets.

And also, will the game continue to play as long as you have an heir? If not, then what happens. Is that where it sends the message to your people with a royal wedding about taking over? Please explain this to me.

So far, my king haven't died without leaving an heir behind. Althought this might happen in my current game, king is old and there are no princes nor princesses... :sad:

Yea in the demo it will like retire you at random points in the game (when your heir dies, seven provinces, things like that) but none of that happens in the full game?

Yea in the demo it will like retire you at random points in the game (when your heir dies, seven provinces, things like that) but none of that happens in the full game?

I've had 5 provinces, 7 provinces, etc.

Yea in the demo it will like retire you at random points in the game (when your heir dies, seven provinces, things like that) but none of that happens in the full game?

I haven't encountered anything like that, no.

So in the full game when does the game end? At random points will it say like the new europe emperor will now be chosen and you vote if you are a major power?

Also, what is abstaining? I thought that meant to not vote, but when I was once a major power I abstained as well as everyone else but it still said Germany had achieved 2/3 of the vote and would I accept them but I said no fearing it would end the game so I made lots of new enemies. Anything you know on this?

It ends when someone is voted Supreme Ruler of Europe. Or, naturally, if you get your @$$ wiped off the planet. ;)

I think it was the same the time I won. I just clicked "next" all through the voting process and all of the sudden I was dah winnah. I can't say that I'm 100% sure but I'm pretty confident no-one voted for me, the message saying "Xxxx abstains from voting" didn't seem to change...

Also, for you demo-players, in the full game you get to choose from three different times to play. Early, Middle or Late times. IIRC Early starts in the 8th century AD and the Late times somewhere around the 12th century.

But is there really any difference except the counties are different?

Starting properities are different. Early age, Sweden starts with 3 territories and with 5 in the late age.

So basically the time periods don't matter except countries change. Nothing different in gameplay, though.

But @WickedSmurf, when someone is voted Supreme Ruler of Europe are you sure that's when the game ends? Because if that's so I would have had to reject allowing Germany when it popped up asking me.

The only time that has happened in one my games is when I was voted Ruler. I accepted the vote and the game ended.

But if another country gets it the game doesn't end?

Well awesome today is Friday, here in America the game comes out in only 4 more days!!!!
Who all is going to get it?

Me!!

Well awesome today is Friday, here in America the game comes out in only 4 more days!!!!
Who all is going to get it?

Me!!

ME! ME! ME!!

Might not get it on the 10th, but on that Saturday or earlier..I hope, I hope.

BUT I am going to get it...

Maybe we all can play online once we get used to the game..:D

i preordered

How can you get it on Saturday. It comes out Tuesday. Are you talking about the next Saturday?

Also, I don't think I need to preorder it because GameStop like never sells out of anything around here except Halo and new systems.

I'd like to play online but what really sucks is that you can't play on Europe online. :(

Also @ TruckingPete, I like your new signature. :lol: Hopefully someone will look at it and buy it as well.

I preoredered from Amazon, because i want it delivered

yea, Gamestop is like halfa mile from my house so no big deal.

Also, at anyone who already has the game:

1. Should you really ever use like a builder or a landlord? They seem pointless compared to merchants which can get big amounts of gold for you and you actually see how much they bring in. Also they're free for salary-wise.
2. When you use a spy, what do you recommend using him for?
3. Should you use the "educate knight" on every type or just like cleric and spy?

How can you get it on Saturday. It comes out Tuesday. Are you talking about the next Saturday?

Also, I don't think I need to preorder it because GameStop like never sells out of anything around here except Halo and new systems.

I'd like to play online but what really sucks is that you can't play on Europe online. :(

Also @ TruckingPete, I like your new signature. :lol: Hopefully someone will look at it and buy it as well.

Yes that's what I meant, next Saturday. Not today but next Saturday. Hard to get in town on weekdays with school and we live about 13 miles away from the nearest Wal - Mart..:D

Yes, I was hoping my signature would catch an eye or to. It looks like a good game..:D

I can't wait for the whole game though. Become the Pope... get Kingdom advantages... get clerics for the dang NOSTALGIA... get spies!... it seems like there's too much more but even in the demo there's a whole lot.

But don't be surprised if a moderator tells you to get rid of your signature. I had like 5 lines exactly and they PMed me and said "your signature is too big. Shorten it." I was like wtf? Who cares some people have like 10 lines but since they're like mini CurtSiblings they get special treatment. It's a whole nother form of discrimation... :lol: j/k

I can't wait for the whole game though. Become the Pope... get Kingdom advantages... get clerics for the dang NOSTALGIA... get spies!... it seems like there's too much more but even in the demo there's a whole lot.

But don't be surprised if a moderator tells you to get rid of your signature. I had like 5 lines exactly and they PMed me and said "your signature is too big. Shorten it." I was like wtf? Who cares some people have like 10 lines but since they're like mini CurtSiblings they get special treatment. It's a whole nother form of discrimation... :lol: j/k

Don't let the mods catch that, but it's true. I've seen people who post freuently can have much bigger and birghter sigs than those who barely post. On topic, nostalgia sucks

So for nostalgia you can't do anything but use clerics? And do they have to govern that province? Also, can you do anything to raise the morale from exhaustion of war besides not go to war?

Have you guys seen some of the awards this game is getting. Hey it may be a few awards, but its rewards...This game is going to be cool..:D

what awards??

Well I just blew my money on Guild Wars, so it might take me awhile to get KoH, but i will eventually get it.

what awards??

go to GameSpot...some European awards or something....unless I read it wrong....

No I read it. It's on their website with all the news stuff in the news Forum or whatever. They won two awards. One was like best RTS and the other best something or another award. But it sure does look to be great!!

I went to my local GameStop today (like 10 minutes ago) and reserved it (even though it's coming out and they're getting it tomorrow or the day after tomorrow) because they said they only expect like 2 copies or something since it's not such a big game. It was mainly for Europe but I would have killed somebody after playing the demo if it doesn't come out in America.

The PC game’s cinematic sequence, created by Virgin Lands, not only received first place for "Best Intro" in the category "Professional / Games" of the Animago competition, but also in the category "Cut Scene" of the FMX Echtzeit Film Festival which was held for the first time this year.

"These awards are further proof of Sunflowers’ emphasis on top quality. We are especially delighted for Virgin Lands, as we are currently working on the ingame graphics for ANNO 3 (Working Title)", commented Adi Boiko, SUNFLOWERS President, Virgin Lands’ massive success.

Tobias Weingärtner, CEO of Virgin Lands, had the following to say after receiving the two prestigious awards: "We are immensely proud to have won not only the Animago Award but also the Echtzeit Film Festival this year – a real double whammy. The awards are also an impressive testament for the good cooperation with SUNFLOWERS, to which our current efforts for ANNO 3 (Working Title) will further contribute."

I can't wait to see the cutscene

Isn't it just talking about the game intro? You can watch that online I think under videos in like ay review area.

I thought I read it right.

@Dabomb - Wal - Mart might have more copies if can't get it at GameStop..or you can try EB Games.

What country are you going to be first?

I want to be France first..:D

Well Wal-mart might not have it since it's not an epic like Halo or anything. It was originally for a European release so there hasen't really been commercials or advertising for it. Basically, I wouldn't have known about it if it weren't for this thread.
And yesterday when I went to GameStop after calling to reserve it (they said I might not get one without a reservation) and they were only going to order like 2 so I'm glad I reserved it.

I really don't know who I want to be first. I may just do Scotland since they seem to have some automatic province features. Also I want to just have a few trial and error runs to get used to the full game. After that maybe Germany because it's my favorite Non-US country, my best friend lives there, and it's like the biggest country. What sucks is that you can't play as the Papacy. But I Really!! Really!! want to get a pope. LET THE EXCOMMUNICATIONS BEGIN!!! I want to get to the point in a game where I just got a cleric as pope and then save it so when I want some excommunication i can load it up.

One thing that is really strange is how the Pope seems to live forever in the demo. My king and his heir will always die but I NEVER heard the Pope dying. So 1: the pope outlives 2 of my generations and 2: the pope is never really young to begin with...

I want to lead another crusade. it was neat creating a province. oh well, it should be here by saturday

I get to go get mine today!! YEEHAW!!!

I get to go get mine today!! YEEHAW!!!

So how is the full version...

I should be getting mine tommarow...:D YIPPY!!!!

Actually it didn't have overnight shipping I got it today. I am installing it now actually.

Mine still hasnt come :(

:(

Wal - Mart didn't have them yet...

It's on their website...but not at my store...

I am going to call them tommarrow..

Mines not coming from Amazon until early June!

It shipped today

you should all go to the forum for the game once you get it or even before you get it. Lots of interesting stuff. Here is a link. Here (http://forum.sunflowers.de/index.php?) because I'm assuming you want the English one so click the English one.

So far no store out here in North Dakota has it yet....yippy....

It is going to be here for sure on the 24th though for all the stores....

I hope..I hope

Has it exited randomly for anyone else?

For me it didn't exit out... It restarted in the middle of a game or while I was saving!!!

For me it didn't exit out... It restarted in the middle of a game or while I was saving!!!

All the time or just occasionally?

Well it happened 3 times so far but it only occured after I updated my version of SpySweeper. I uninstalled it and reinstalled the original version which should work now!

Also, if you have technical difficulties like the one you listed go to the KoH Forum which can be found at the KoH website and there is good help there.

Funny. After having and playing the game nearly two weeks now, I finally beat a Map of Europe. As Ireland, I won with 103 provinces. In the beginning I got most of them from spies becoming enemy kings. I even got all of my ally England!

Funny. After having and playing the game nearly two weeks now, I finally beat a Map of Europe. As Ireland, I won with 103 provinces. In the beginning I got most of them from spies becoming enemy kings. I even got all of my ally England!

How can a spy become king?

Well you know how spies work, so I'm assuming that you have the real game. Well, you probably know how it's not too uncommon to have some gay king who is married but never has a prince. In this case, the most experienced of your knights becomes king. Most of the time it's the enemy marshal with the most skill or the enemy spy which is usually skilled. So if you get your spy to infiltrate an opponent's court and become their spy or marshal, he might become king. You can tell by going to the rumours section. Read through and there are two things it can say to give you a chance of that. One is, "King of (insert name here) is getting old. There is actually a chance that our spy may become king." Another is, "King of (insert name here) is getting old and has no heirs. [Something to the effect of the king may be in trouble]" That may not be the exact wording but you get the picture. If you hear both of those messages the chances are greatest.

Well you know how spies work, so I'm assuming that you have the real game. Well, you probably know how it's not too uncommon to have some gay king who is married but never has a prince. In this case, the most experienced of your knights becomes king. Most of the time it's the enemy marshal with the most skill or the enemy spy which is usually skilled. So if you get your spy to infiltrate an opponent's court and become their spy or marshal, he might become king. You can tell by going to the rumours section. Read through and there are two things it can say to give you a chance of that. One is, "King of (insert name here) is getting old. There is actually a chance that our spy may become king." Another is, "King of (insert name here) is getting old and has no heirs. [Something to the effect of the king may be in trouble]" That may not be the exact wording but you get the picture. If you hear both of those messages the chances are greatest.

lol that cracked me up for some reason

Well, assuming you read the entire post, the king might as well be gay. That way he just doesn't have any kids at all. It probably wouldn't affect the outcome of the game though, because my king 99% of the time has 3 girls before he ever has 1 boy. That's why when I had two princes without any princess I was jumping out of my seat happy! The king usually either never has princes (and many princesses) or like 3 princesses and a prince or two once he's venerable, so they're useless...

Well, assuming you read the entire post, the king might as well be gay. That way he just doesn't have any kids at all. It probably wouldn't affect the outcome of the game though, because my king 99% of the time has 3 girls before he ever has 1 boy. That's why when I had two princes without any princess I was jumping out of my seat happy! The king usually either never has princes (and many princesses) or like 3 princesses and a prince or two once he's venerable, so they're useless...

Yeah I know what you mean. I always get a prince when hes old

I got the game this last Tuesday...then I went to a different town to stay the night for 3 days because I am taking Drivers Ed...:D

I started playing like crazy today...fun fun FUN! I started as Normandy..I am becoming more powerful slowly....My 2nd King didn't have any children..so yea now for the most powerful of the Court to become King...

Any played online yet? I am going to try that now.....Maybe we will see each other....

- TP

I got the game this last Tuesday...then I went to a different town to stay the night for 3 days because I am taking Drivers Ed...:D

I started playing like crazy today...fun fun FUN! I started as Normandy..I am becoming more powerful slowly....My 2nd King didn't have any children..so yea now for the most powerful of the Court to become King...

Any played online yet? I am going to try that now.....Maybe we will see each other....

- TP

word. too bad we cant have a CFC clan

Its sad how you can only play a couple of different battles online, not thePlay on Europe mode, but hopefully they'll release an expansion pack with that or maybe not but we can hope.

I got 1 question..what does the Pope do in my Court? I had him before then I got in trouble for something from excomm...something for another country and I was banished from the church. Then I got it again and I didn't do anything then he died...so what's he for??

I got 1 question..what does the Pope do in my Court? I had him before then I got in trouble for something from excomm...something for another country and I was banished from the church. Then I got it again and I didn't do anything then he died...so what's he for??

You can excomm a nation or use a marshal for a crusade

When you have a cleric as Pope, the cleric can't do anything a normal one could do. He can excommunicate Catholic nations but you want to be careful because if you are Catholic and excommunicate someone you might get excommunicated yourself depending on their relationship with the Papacy and others I think. Also if the Pope is in your possession and you are Catholic you can click on one of your Marshals. There you can call them on a crusade against any non-Catholic nations that are at war with you. I say these things only if you are a Catholic nation because you might have a Puppet Pope like I had once as Almohads (Muslim). It was awesome because I could just keep excommunicating people but I didnit have to worry about anything bad happening. It's a spy so it won't die as Pope because if I keep excommunicating people he will never become old enough to die of old age.