Do you approve of the attached legislation amending Article D and Article E, and the provisions for its activation?

-Yes
-No
-Abstain


Old text. Sections unaffected are indicated by ellipses (. . .)


Article D. The Strategic Branch consists of the President, the Vice
President, and the Consuls. The Consuls, as listed below,
are in tasked with deciding on the broader picture of how
Fanatannia will operate.

. . . section 1-2 unaffected

3. Consul for Domestic Policy - Oversees long term
settlement, long term worker plans, and long term city
development objectives. Plans government switches.

. . . remainder of Article D unaffected

Article E. The Tactical Branch consists of the the officials in charge
of micromanagement of the game, within the boundaries of
the Strategic Branch's policy. The Tactical Branch consists
of the officials below.

. . . section 1-3 unaffected

4. Director of Expansion - Decides on where to settle with
settlers. The Director of Expansion also oversees the
creation of provincal boundaries. Controls movement of
settlers and settler carrying transports.

. . . remainder of Article E unaffected



New text, article E

Article D. The Strategic Branch consists of the President, the Vice
President, and the Consuls. The Consuls, as listed below,
are in tasked with deciding on the broader picture of how
Fanatannia will operate.

. . . Sections 1-2 unaffected

3. Consul for Domestic Policy - Oversees long term
settlement, long term worker plans, and long term city
development objectives. Plans government switches.
Decides on where to settle with
settlers. Oversees the
creation of provincal boundaries. Controls movement of
settlers, escorts, and settler carrying transports.
Plans switching the economy between normal and mobilized.


. . . Remainder of article D unaffected

Article E. The Tactical Branch consists of the the officials in charge
of micromanagement of the game, within the boundaries of
the Strategic Branch's policy. The Tactical Branch consists
of the officials below.

. . . Sections 1-3 unaffected
Section 4 deleted, section 5 renumbered to 4

4. Governors - Each Governor shall determine any policies
and procedures needed to carry out their duties.
Governors are responsible for the care, management,
use of the cities, and use of lands of a province
through the setting of build queues, allocation of
laborers on tiles, population rushes and drafting of
citizen soldiers.



This amendment will take effect the beginning of the term after its ratification, and shall be implemented in the election cycle of said term by removing the office of Director of Expansion from the nomination and election process for that term. The Director of Expansion in office for the term when this amendment is ratified shall continue in office for the remainder of the term.

excellent! this fixes some flaws in the alternate government, and deserves passing!

basically:
a. The domestic consuls jobs are better defined
b. the director of expansion is removed

So to summarise:

The Domestic Consul, unlike the other Consuls, is no longer solely a strategic (macromanagement) position, but also has tactical (micromanagement) powers as in specifically where to settle, and movements concerning Settlers and their Escorts.

The Domestic Consul also has the power to plan mobilisation along wtih government change. Currently, mobilisation is not anyone's responsibility.

The Director of Expansion is removed.At least that is my understanding of what this means.

If the Domestic Consul plans government change and mobilisation, who actually has the power to do it? I would guess that it's intended that the Domestic Consul has this as well. The current version doesn't specify this either.

Personaly, I dont approve striping more responsibilities away from the Military Leader's office. I feel that the Military Department can handle the escourts with no problem. If it was not striping away the Military Department's responsibilities, then I would have voted yes for this. But since Ive read that it actualy strips away responsibilities to the Military Department, I vote No.

I feel that the Military Department can handle the escourts with no problem.

This is a wonderful example of why choosing not to participate in a thread can sometimes result in unexpected things you don't like. :p

If you had mentioned your disagreement in the discussion thread then this change probably wouldn't have gone in. The impression I got was that the question was "why are settler bearing transports in a different category than escorts?" and this merely answered that question. I don't think escort duty is specifically listed in the current Constitution at all, is it?

This is a wonderful example of why choosing not to participate in a thread can sometimes result in unexpected things you don't like. :p

I guess next time I should put in my $0.02 into it. Dispite the thread relates to the alternate government consitution in which I avoid any discussion regarding it like the plague.

Yes, I am still for the traditional/Strider's Government system.

I think the difference between "Long Term" and "Short Term" need to be nailed down. I raised this question in JR9. The JR judgement was that "Long term means anything long term". This is not an adequte definition IMHO.

If short term was defined as anything that happens within the duration of a turnchat and "Long term" was defined as anything that takes longer than a turnchat, then it would become clear that 20 turn deals are a long term action, battle plans are a short term action, slider settings ar short term actions, planning which government to switch to is a long term action, deciding the turn on which to revolt is a short term action etc. I think the defenition of "Long Term" and "short Term" have caused (me at least) a lot of confusion.
I voted to pass the ammendment since it materially improves on what we had.

Decides on where to settle with settlers.

Then what does the Direction of Expansion do? There's too much overlap...

Then what does the Direction of Expansion do? There's too much overlap...

GA, this proposal eliminates the Director of Expansion position and places there duties in the Domestic Consul's area.

As a recent convert to the new consitution, I do regret casting that "No" vote :(.

I wonder if it is possible to change my no vote to a yes vote.

Vote changed.

Talk to a mod about it. I'm pretty sure they have those powers.

I wholeheartedly support this amendment. And yes, Domestic control over escorts is needed, as we have seen how this confusion occurs otherwise. However, the Commander is free to transfer the escort to Domestic Guard duty, however, last minute settlements should be under the control of only one center of mandate, namely the party controlling city localization, here, Domestic. Any Commander doing cry baby over this, no need, the vast majority of the military is under military control. I am also for making the navy in peacetime to be under the control by a non-military office.

Finally, the wording DOES seem similar to my proposals that has been unduly silenced by shenanigans some 5-6 times before, and this proves my point someone else had to post the same discussion and poll with a different outcome due to the curious politics and cultural spine tap mechanisms of the legendary "cry wolf tribe".

Finally, the wording DOES seem similar to my proposals that has been unduly silenced by shenanigans some 5-6 times before, and this proves my point someone else had to post the same discussion and poll with a different outcome due to the curious politics and cultural spine tap mechanisms of the legendary "cry wolf tribe".

This was Provolutions idea, eek could a mod please change my vote to a NO (joking)

While the Judiciary doesn't seem to have posted an official census, the math works out to a census of 36. For this measure to pass it needs either a 2/3 majority, no minimum number of votes; or simple majority with 60% of the census voting, or 22 votes.

The 22 vote minimum has been exceeded. :clap:

Guess I'll try to squeeze in another change before the noms go up. :D

Just make the quick amendments and we will make it in time. We can surely delay nominations one day to assure a 90 % supported Constitution to override a 54 % supported constitutions borderline elections.

Having fixed one part of the constitution, lets do some more.

This should be open for 96 hours according to Article Y of the constitution. Can a mod change this?

moth is correct would a moderator please adjust the poll? it should be possible considering CT opened a poll for extra time :rolleyes:

Poll time limit set to 96 hours.

Voted Yes.

The expansion director was an almost empty position. Good that it goes.

In time we should do something about the language. "settling with settlers" ? :lol: Now really... :rolleyes:

I think someone should settle the settlement issue for posterity, as settling with settlers is not settled yet. Settle, settle, settle and yet another settle....