Please post any nominations for the Consul of External Policy, or any debate questions you may have. The Cosul of External Policy has the following duties:

Oversees long term planning of policy regarding other nations. This includes military plans, long term foreign affairs, and long term trading goals.

I nominate Mad-Bax,Timbently, Nobody and Ulyaoth

I second mad-bax and Nobody.

i second mad-bax.

edit: wrong thread, sorry

I nominate Mad-Bax,Timbently, Nobody and Ulyaoth

Thank you for the nomination, but I'm going to decline. I had a short chance as deputy with this in term 1 and screwed up, I don't think I'll go for this again, not for a while at least.

In the meanwhile, I'd like to nominate Bertie. I think he'd be very qualified for this position.

I'll second Bertie

Bertie is my man! Vote Bertie I say.
He's a good guy, clear train of thought, intelligent, open to other peoples opinion. Perfect candidate. :)

i back nobody!!! go nobody!!! :D

I'll n-th Bertie.

i #th bertie, because he seems great at this positition, i also accept

I'll decline; I'm still uncertain about my internet access after the first week or so.

I googleth Bertie. He's done an excellent job filling in this past Term. He deserves the title to go with the workload. :D

i would rather go up against mad-bax than bertie. Theres not dirt on bertie

I’m honored by the nominations & seconds. Thank you very much.

When I saw that I was nominated I almost declined it immediately and instinctively. As I’ve said several times, I enjoy being a citizen and it’s not important to me that I hold office. However, after thinking about it, I’ve decided to accept the nomination. I believe I can contribute to the game by holding office, and look forward to an exciting campaign for the position.

What can you expect from me in the coming term should I be elected?

In part it will be a continuation of what you’ve already seen. Although circumstances have made me somewhat of an accidental consul for the past 10 days or so, I believe I’ve conducted the business and discharged the duties of the External Consulate with diligence and vigor. In the performance of my duties I’ve made every effort to consult the citizens of Fanatannia in order to ascertain that the External Consulate’s policies and the will of the people were in agreement; and I’ve also tried to reach out to other Consuls and Directors to engage their cooperation in business that reached across our separate offices.

If I am elected, during Term 3 you can expect the External Consulate to pursue these policies:

Long Term Foreign Affairs

Our long term strategy is to annex enough of the pangaea so that our territory is just below the domination limit. We expect we will at least annex most of the land up to and including the point where the Persian city Gordium currently stands.

We will seek to cripple the ability of all other Civilizations to win the game before we achieve our cultural goal of 130,000 points. This also means we cannot allow another Civ to reach 65,000 cultural points.

We are now strong enough that we will not submit to any demands from another country.

We will continue to establish embassies with other Civs, and will encourage warfare and disharmony among our rivals.

Our next target for annexation will be Portugal and the Pyramids. After that we will decide whether France or China would make the logical next target. Because France is powerful and has a vibrant culture, this likely will be the next target. However, this is open for discussion.

Military Affairs

We will finish the war with the Dutch. The war has developed in such a way that we may decide to reduce the Dutch to one or two cities in this initial war with them, rather than in a second; but that will be polled in the current term.

We will capture the Pyramids in Term 3. This war likely will be delayed because the Dutch war is becoming more extensive than originally envisioned, but should begin no later than 500 AD.

We will have a second, short war with India and reduce them to one city.

Long Term Trading

We plan to trade for techs whenever possible (we define pointy stick research as a form of trade).

Strategic and Luxury commodities will not be sold to Countries that we believe we may be at war with during Term 3.

No GPT based deals should be entered into with any Country that we believe we may be at war with within the following 20 turns.

In closing, I'd like to stress that input from others is welcomed and will be incorporated into the External Consulate's policy whenever possible.

Nobody, you're an excellent candidate and I look forward to our campaign!

Hey bertie, i don't think we need to post policys for Military or Trade because there is a law change and these are nolonger EC job.

4. Consul for External Policy - Oversees planning
of policy regarding other nations. This includes
military objectives, declarations of war, peace
treaties, alliances, rights of passage, and mutual protection
pacts. Authorizes building of embassies, diplomatic missions,
and espionage missions. Authorizes trade embargoes

I will post my grand campaign speach soon.

Hey bertie, i don't think we need to post policys for Military or Trade because there is a law change and these are nolonger EC job.



I will post my grand campaign speach soon.

Hi Nobody! Since that law isn't yet official, I'm assuming we're still running for the office as currently defined by the Constitution, so I discussed trade just to cover all bases. BTW, military objectives are still part of the EC job under the proposed change.

Greetings friends, this is Nobody you local candidate for Console of External Policy.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/michael.jpg



I do not dare to think I am the best civilizations play in this demo game, or that I know the most about foreign affairs. I don’t think I can out write the likes of Mad-Bax or Bertie. And I don’t bring to the table my great Manifesto, Manifest Destiny or 10 memos. But it doesn’t matter that the best civ player gets this job, because it isn’t one person who sets our external policy it is the nation as a whole. If elected I will Start discussions on all matter of foreign policy. I will put forward I will put forward my opinion on the subject and then after a while of discussion I will poll the matter in a clear way. I know this seems simple and obvious way to work but a lot of officials here don’t do this. I will also continue discussion on long term goals like Berties Manifest destiny or the like. Because we need our foreign affairs to be leading somewhere not just dealing with what comes up.

Another policy that I intend to change slightly is how we deal with demands, if elected my job is to keep us out of wars unless the General assembly votes yes for war. So when something is demanded off us we should ask ourselves “would we sign a military alliance against this nation for 3gold and a territory map?” if the answer is no, we should pay the demand and decide how to deal with that nation latter.

I am not sure if it is part of the law or not, But I pledge to live by the “freedom of Information” law; I will post up to date information in a main page of the External console thread after every turn chat.

So far nothing I have said here has been spectacularly different to the way most people run this kind of office. Something I will encourage is role playing I intend to write most diplomatic actions in a role playing type way, just to add some fun to the game (plus normal instructions don't worry). I will also open the new sub offices of Ambassador to the department. Basically anybody who wants to be a ambassador can be (first in first served) they will just write a little paragraph about their nation after each turn chat. Outlining our foreign relations with the particular nation and they get to have the lovely title. Ambassadorships will be more for fun similar to the way mayors work and of course only with nations who currently have embassies.

So why elect me? Well I have four principals I will bring to the office, Honesty, Democracy, Fun and Hard work. Honestly because I will try have up to date information about foreign affairs posted after turn chats (not straight after but regularly.) Democracy, because my policy will be set by the polls not by doctrines that subvert the polls to legitimatise their predetermined path of how the External affairs will work. Fun, because what’s the point of this thing if not to have fun. And Hard work because I will do the best I can to serve the democracy, and fur fill my duties set forth in the constitution.

So vote for Nobody: Honesty, Democracy, Fun and Hard work

military objectives are still part of the EC job under the proposed change.

So they are. Ok My policy on this will be, that i will leave all the actually fighiting (even setting military objecitves) up to the Commander of the military. But i having peace dicussions i will be able to set objectives, I will also set rules of engagments in certain situations e.g. let them hit us to spart a MMP or only hit outside there borders until a MPP runs out, ect.

@Nobody. That is very hard to read the last part of your major speech on Dark Blue settings, that I use. If it is possible, could you change the colour to make it eaiser to read.

Just for absolute clarity. I decline my nomination for this office since I have accepted a nomination for another.

It just says the same as my signiture,


Nobody: Honesty, Democracy, Fun and Hard work

Unfortunately i will not be using the internet, until the 1st of next month, which is the 30th for most of you guys, This is because i have used up my monthly internet alloance and it costs me heaps to use anymore, next month my internet will let me download 5 times as much, Its kinda sad they give me lightning fast internet (100mbps) but only a certain amount i can use.

i don't think this will hinder my ability to carry out the postition. But i won't be able to answer any questions put to me by the people. So just vote away, and i will get a suprize then. Could someone please post my big election rant in the poll thread.

EDIT: And i will use the internet at school (its a study break but i got to hand in a assignment) to vote on thursday.

Could someone please post my big election rant in the poll thread.

Nobody, what rotten luck! I'll be happy to post your speech in the poll thread, and I'll give it its own post and clearly identify that it's from you and that circumstances don't allow you to post it yourself.

BTW, I planned to mention this and I'm glad you reminded me: I'll be out of town most of May 6, 7, & 8. I assume we'll have a turnchat sometime during that period. I don't anticipate any problem in posting instructions in a timely manner (if necessary I'll ask someone to do it for me), but it's important that voters know about this.

New news: my internet month is consided from the 26th of the month, so its tomorrow, so don't worry.

I support Nobody. Anybody who would confuse everyone else by being Nobody has got to have enough screws loose to be able to deal forceably with the AI civs.

Besides, he comes from the place they used when filming Mordor. So he's seen evil close up.

I support Nobody. Anybody who would confuse everyone else by being Nobody has got to have enough screws loose to be able to deal forceably with the AI civs.

Besides, he comes from the place they used when filming Mordor. So he's seen evil close up.
You should see their Prime Minister. Now that is staring evil in the face.

You should see their Prime Minister. Now that is staring evil in the face.

indeed, she is very VERY ugly

Hopefully, she is not representing New Zealand in ALL capacities.
However, I am sure Jackson could use her in a new film when she leaves office.

I support Nobody here. He is a fun and kool kat.

I must vote for Nobody just because of your Prime Minister. :D

is it called Primal Minister in NZ, juz askin

provo notice what i said about not having doctirnes "i dont have any ..... or 10 memos" only because i was looking at how people won past elections and you had your 10 memos.

Yeah , what is the point in writing when only 5 % get the point.
A more shallow and bimbo like policy goes a long way.

is it called Primal Minister in NZ, juz askin

yes, because the queen is a head of state so no president. and although helen (we are on first name basis) is very ugly, she i still better looking than John howard, George Bush and Tony Blair

Hey, she ain't that bad, after a bottle of Vodka, she may even be very comely and less homely. It is only a question of liquor, light settings, desperation and opportunity gentlemen. Yeah nobody, she is a worthy first lady for you :D

yes, because the queen is a head of state so no president. and although helen (we are on first name basis) is very ugly, she i still better looking than John howard, George Bush and Tony Blair
I would too over any of those because I am not gay.

Great discussion going on here! :rolleyes:

Question for the candidates:
What is your long-term strategy on military affairs? E.g:

How far should we expand?
How much should we reduce the other civs?
By what point in the game (year and/or techwise) should these goals be reached?

* How far should we expand?
* How much should we reduce the other civs?
* By what point in the game (year and/or techwise) should these goals be reached?

1about to the gem hills near china.
2 enemys dust, others leave them to them selves
3. Before industrial

but these were fast answers on how i would play the game, but if elected everything will be up to the people

Question for the candidates:
What is your long-term strategy on military affairs? E.g:

How far should we expand?
How much should we reduce the other civs?
By what point in the game (year and/or techwise) should these goals be reached?


1. We want to expand until we’re just under the domination limit. An expansion target might be where the Persian city of Gordium currently stands. This gives us a natural chokepoint and just by eyeballing the map this location looks like we would hold enough territory to be just under the domination limit.

2. We want to reduce the other civs until they pose no threat to win before we’re able to claim a cultural victory, and where their military poses no threat to us (we’ll want to disband most of our military as the game progresses to concentrate on building culture). I would guess at game’s end we’ll have 2 to 4 civs remaining, all of them of modest power. I prefer they be large enough that they can provide trade revenue in exchange for our luxuries, though that’s certainly open for debate.

3. I agree with Nobody: definitely before Industrial. In terms of tech, we really need only to research through education (that’s enough to get libraries and cathedrals); and Chivalry (for knights). However, I’m not sure Knights will be enough military punch to achieve our goals, so we’ll probably research the bottom tier through Military Tradition. Shortly after that, we should be able to acquire all the territory we’ll need. I would guess this will be approximately 1000 – 1300 AD or so. BTW, I’m not personally advocating that we not do additional research; I’d like us at least to research Banking & Economy, and hope we go for Steam Power so that we can build railroads. But to win, those techs are nice, just not necessary.

Thread closed, discuss further in the election thread.