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temurleng
May 09, 2005, 09:49 PM
I’ve always wondered: What is the basis for the Chinese claiming ownership of Taiwan? Are they basing it off the Civil War or, are they saying a previous dynasty owned it?

Ramius75
May 09, 2005, 09:58 PM
I’ve always wondered: What is the basis for the Chinese claiming ownership of Taiwan? Are they basing it off the Civil War or, are they saying a previous dynasty owned it?

U already said it. it was based on the Civil war. After the war, there is a stalemate where the Kuomintang (China National party) retreated into taiwan and some minor islands and hold the stalemate there. So in effect. the war is not over as no truce has been sign atm.

For some historical facts. Taiwan is inhabited but some indigenous ppl who claimed that they are the native. but since Ming dynasty, there are already many migrate from the Fujian province into Taiwan.

Dutch soon start to colonize the island in the 1600 but was then repulsed and the Ming dynasty claimed Taiwan as its territory.

Here are some info from wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan

Knight-Dragon
May 09, 2005, 10:35 PM
For some historical facts. Taiwan is inhabited but some indigenous ppl who claimed that they are the native. but since Ming dynasty, there are already many migrate from the Fujian province into Taiwan.

Dutch soon start to colonize the island in the 1600 but was then repulsed and the Ming dynasty claimed Taiwan as its territory.

Here are some info from wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TaiwanThe Dutch were driven off Taiwan by loyalist Ming forces led Koxinga (Zheng Chenggong). They needed an offshore base, to continue the resistance against the invading Manchus.

In 1682, Qing troops conquered Taiwan fr them, and crushed the last of the Ming. Taiwan was administrated as a subunit from Fujian province since then, until 1895 when it was ceded to Japan after China lost the Sino-Japanese War of 1895.

After WW2 ended, Taiwan reverted back to China, but the KMT soon lost the civil war in 1949. Like the Ming had done previously, the KMT retreated to Taiwan to use it as a final offshore bastion.

Dann
May 10, 2005, 10:20 PM
What Ramius75 and XIII said.

The current population of Taiwan is mostly descended from waves of immigrants from Fujian these past centuries. There are only few indigenous natives left, mostly living in villages in the mountains. They look darker, have Malay features, and speak a dialect that resembles northern Philippine dialects.

Bluemofia
May 10, 2005, 10:41 PM
...And their Art looks strangely Aztec-like IIRC.

Uiler
May 10, 2005, 11:04 PM
The natives are called Austronesians and I believe they are the ancestors of modern day Polynesians. So I guess you have the real natives who make up 2% of the population, the immigrants from Fujian over the last few centuries and then the Chinese who arrived with the KMT in the 20th century.

The earliest mention of Taiwan in Chinese history is actually during the Three Kingdoms era about 1700 years ago. The king of the Southern Kingdom of Wu, Sun Quan sent an expedition to conquer the island. Also during this time is the first recorded contact between Japan and China with the female shaman and queen (Japan was a matriarchy at this point) of the land of Wa, called Himiko, made contact with the king of Wei, Cao Pi. Also during this time various Chinese warlords conquered N. Korea. There was a lot of contact with other nations/areas during this era which also saw the Sinoficiation of the area below the Yangtze as various kings sought to extend their territory and build a power base as they were stuck in a deadlock stalemate with each other over the historical Chinese heartland.

Knight-Dragon
May 10, 2005, 11:38 PM
Also during this time various Chinese warlords conquered N. Korea. N Korea was already firmly within Chinese control, since the Han. The Han established 4 military commanderies there.