We are the Sword of the Empire. We are the Scourge of the Nations. We are the War Church.

Our Charter

1) Three words - RULE THE PLANET!
2) War is merely a form of foreign policy.
3) War is the forge in which great nations are formed.
4) War is Good. :D

Requirements

1) A will of steel.
2) A heart of courage.
3) A voice of fire.

List of War Churchmen

Knight-Dragon
omichyron
rmsharpe
Cunobelin of Hippo
Dell19
joespaniel
King of England
Ohwell
Wolfe Tone
gonzo_for_civ
jomey
Kev

The Glory of our Empire lies in the Strength of our Arms!

Note - All are welcomed, elected or non-elected. This is intended to be a militaristic organisation advocating a strong powerful respected military force. We are the antithesis of the puny Peaceniks (if it still exists more than a few days). :D

Doesn't the foundation of the War Church contravene your rules regarding membership of the watchers' guild? Surely you're going to have to try to get involved somehow rather than just posting "Kill them all" in every diplomatic forum? The very idea of a war church suggests proactivity, and leading from the front. Ideally, the leader of the war church will one day become minister for war to fulfil the ambitions of his followers - yet as a watcher you will be unable to do this.

Consistency is the sign of a small mind. :p

The War Church is merely a platform to promote the idea of domination of the world thru military means i.e. wars of conquest. :)

Plus the War Church has no leaders. I think it's pointless to start holding elections to decide the leader of a single-member denomination. The elections shld focus on the actual office-holders in our mighty nation. ;) We (I for now) are merely a bunch of militaristic patriots who think that war is good for the glory of our nation.

I can Watch and I can also promote the idea that the glory of our empire lies in the strength of our arms on the battlefield. To me, there're no inconsistencies at all.

Besides, isn't it much more fun than a Church for No War? :D

From a historical standpoint, I seem to recall the Churches that stand for No War, as you call it, always seem to become embroiled in war rather quickly so the name of your Church is academic. Good luck with the militaristic dreams, but I don't want war until it's necessary (other civs on our continent) or fun (tanks!!!).

Come on; aren't there any militarists around here???

Well, I didn't intend to join a "church", but militarism is definately my department. In addition, partisan politics should be entertaining when the opportunity arises. I'll join, but only because it seems there are too many bizarre, pacifistic ideas floating about (no navy??? No war until tanks???).

ah, useless! my electorial foes...

I am, unfortunatley, a member of the Anti-Navy, and therfore Anti-War alliance. you can check it out on the forum.

Its the belif of... uh... me... no, let me make that sound better...
its the belif of the Emperor of the KEE Empire, that we dont need a military. All we need is defence.

after all, arent churches susposta make :love2: not :shotgun: :arrow: :soldier: :tank: :sniper: :rocket3: :rocket2:

I'm a staunch militarist, and support any expansion of our mighty legions.

Finally, some response! I was beginning to worry you're a bunch of fumbling peaceniks. Welcome!

Anyway, the War Church is only a name I came out with; not really a religious church of any kind. If you have a better name for our militarist outfit, pls suggest and we'll discuss about it. ;) We can always change the name of our organisation.

Pellaken, the War Church doesn't welcome pacifist weaklings within its holy ground! :D

I have refined the written goals of the War Church as stated in the 1st post in this thread to advocating a strong powerful respected military. ;)

Mwahahahaha. The Diplomacy Deity denounces peaceniks worldwide and declares his membership in the war church. He looks forward to many battles to come...:sniper:

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I will join because we must have a mighty army to crush our enemies and to throw the barbarians back to where they came from :goodjob:

(Now to start changing my voting tactics ;) )

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon

2) War is merely a form of foreign policy.


Shouldn't this be: "Foreign Policy is merely a form of War!"

:egypt: :rocket:

By the way, KD, I won't be joining your church...I'm going to promote a pragmatic approach to our military, but I will certainly be supporting a military much stronger than some peacenik would want. :rolleyes:

The OACF would be honored to have the Empire's official historian in its ranks. Please consider, we're not exactly like the War Church, we just support a good military to support our Colonial interests. The OACF does plan to work closely with the Church in our common cause.

P.S. If the blatant recruiting bothers anyone, please tell me!

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=12625

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The president hereby declares his symphaty's for this progressive organization.As president ,i feel it's my democratic duty to not formaly join any non-gevermental organization ,just to show my objectiveness towards any idea presented to me.Though i concur that the general strategy we push onto our enemy should preferably be one of domination rather than isolationism and weakness.I thus will always be receptive toward's the recomondation's of this organization.

youre current president ,ducky (I)
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Originally posted by jumbo2002
Shouldn't this be: "Foreign Policy is merely a form of War!"

:egypt: :rocket:

By the way, KD, I won't be joining your church...I'm going to promote a pragmatic approach to our military, but I will certainly be supporting a military much stronger than some peacenik would want. :rolleyes: I think my quote is the correct one. It was by von Clautzwitz (spelling?). You know, that Prussian strategist supremo of the 19th century (?)?

As the puny Anti-War Coalition seemed to have been dissolved and had gone underground, we now hereby declare that the Holy War against these weaklings is at an End.

However, we will be Watching them ...... ;)

And to take the appropriate action as necessary as and when they rear up their ugly heads within our midst .... :sniper:

how can the war church be legal while my anti-war coalition is not?

Besides, AoA, stop breaking the rules. Corn is our MODleasion, not you, its HIS job to close threads.

Originally posted by Pellaken
how can the war church be legal while my anti-war coalition is not?

Besides, AoA, stop breaking the rules. Corn is our MODleasion, not you, its HIS job to close threads. Simple; I am more likeable than you are. :D Sorry, couldn't resist. ;)

But whereas my thread is meant to bring out the supposedly roleplaying aspects of our Democracy game and to make the game more 'alive', yours has degenerated into a personal account of how to play the game IMHO.

By haranguing AoA, you're not making yourself more popular with the mods ...... ;) Just some 'friendly' advice fr your arch-nemesis. :lol: Mwahahaha!

KoE, As a committed pragmatist, I'm going to avoid affiliating with any policy organizations until we discover who we're up against. However, I do support attempts to sieze unclaimed territory as quickly as possible. However, I will tend to avoid colonizing territory on continents controlled by enemy empires, due to the risk of quickly losing our colonies. Instead, I would delay colonization and direct conflict, focusing instead on a military buildup, followed by a series of knockout blows. New settlements will only follow after the land has become cleared of threat.

KD, the von Clausewitz quote as you wrote it is more or less correct. (If I had brought the book home with me for winter break, I could find it exactly.) Anyway, the concept of "War being an extension of policy," (by my reading) actually restricts conflict to the extent of the political aims desired. For example, if the Zulu threat that needs to be neutralized is an island base just off our shore, we take care of the threat by eliminating the base - not by directly attacking their mainland.

The "reverse" line I included is, in a way, a reference to Machiavelli - who maintained that all life (and therefore politics) is war. Therefore, instead of war being an extension of seeking a political interest, political competition and foreign rivalries are mere subsets of eternal conflict.

jumbo, yes I agree with you, that's why the Colonist(s) support bringing an army along to drive the enemy from the continent into the sea, destroy the savages, etc. I understand if you don't wanna affiliate yourself yet, but please do contribute to the scheming, for the Colonies will come soon and we must find the best way to drive away the enemy to secure our land that is given by the Gods (so, are we supposed to have Gods?). I also agree with you on the Zulu threat thing etc., that's why I opted out of being baptized into the War Church and decided to found the OACF.

Well, then perhaps I shall align, if not yet affiliate with the OACF. ;)

I still maintain my original stance, however - sending colonies (even if supplied with armies) to take unoccupied coastline of an enemy empire is a serious risk, and one that shall have to be weighed carefully. On the upside, we will have ready bases from which we can launch a full scale invasion. On the downside, we risk losing those colonies and their associated armies and finding future invasions even more difficult.

Oh, and us having gods? Well, if I may beat my own drum...the way I envisioned it was that the Original Fanatics (i.e., Turn One) were viewed, at first, as gods...and later as prophets. As to what they were prophets of, well, I'd take a pluralist view. Our empire contains several religions and other beliefs, except that all contain a common theme of manifest destiny! :king:

Originally posted by jumbo2002
KD, the von Clausewitz quote as you wrote it is more or less correct. (If I had brought the book home with me for winter break, I could find it exactly.) Anyway, the concept of "War being an extension of policy," (by my reading) actually restricts conflict to the extent of the political aims desired. For example, if the Zulu threat that needs to be neutralized is an island base just off our shore, we take care of the threat by eliminating the base - not by directly attacking their mainland.

The "reverse" line I included is, in a way, a reference to Machiavelli - who maintained that all life (and therefore politics) is war. Therefore, instead of war being an extension of seeking a political interest, political competition and foreign rivalries are mere subsets of eternal conflict. As usual, you blow me away with your historical knowledge ...... :) Actually I don't know much about von Clauzwitz other than his being some kind of military strategist or something. The quote is merely something I have heard elsewhere and simply adopted wholly here w/o considering the context in which it was being quoted. But my interpretation of it is more fun I think. :D

This message is for King of England concerning my secret agenda in founding the War Church as you accused :) me of somewhere. Yes, I do have a secret agenda. I am sure of it. And I am still awaiting it, fr some Higher Authority. :D I am sure I'll be informed about it some time in the future and there'll be all kinds of visions and lightnings in the sky and loud boomings in the background. :D

But seriously, the War Church is as much an evolving entity as with the entire Democracy game and with time, we have mellowed and now merely promote the continual maintenance of a great army (and making as much use of it as possible :D ) rather than simply a 'Kill them all' policy. Pls reread my first post in this thread (which is continuosly being updated). ;)

And now, if none of my fellow churchmen oppose, I'll also propose that a secondary aim of the War Church is to promote the construction of religious structures. Otherwise, people will continually accuse us for being warmongering genocidal fanatics. :)

Also, I have removed the clause about membership is for life (or the duration of our game). Everyone is free to come and go, like the Watchers. ;)

Sign me up!:D

Will those visions be coming any time soon?
I'll probably be too far away somewhere in the Colonies to hear them, but Im sure I'll get a traveler's report. ;)

By the way, are there any sacraments in this church?
Are you the Pope of this Church or what do you call yourself? Is there any hierarchy? Can you declare holy war? :crazyeyes

Well, we're all warmongerers, myself included. Death to the savages!!
This Colonist supports the War Church!! :goodjob:

I don't like this 'Build religious crap' stuff. Certainly, we'll need temples, etc., but that's not our area of concern - the fanatical public shall push such projects into existance, with or without our support. I've never encountered a problem martial law couldn't solve. :p

Originally posted by joespaniel
Sign me up!:D I'm glad you made it into the game and of course, you're in. We War Churchmen are going to rock the Empire to its foundations. :goodjob:

Originally posted by Cunobelin Of Hippo
I don't like this 'Build religious crap' stuff. Certainly, we'll need temples, etc., but that's not our area of concern - the fanatical public shall push such projects into existance, with or without our support. I've never encountered a problem martial law couldn't solve. :p I will of course defer to the wishes of our honourable and warlike resident pachyderm. :D You're right; us mighty warrior-priests are above such boring infrastructural nitpicking!

Will those visions be coming any time soon?
I'll probably be too far away somewhere in the Colonies to hear them, but Im sure I'll get a traveler's report. ;)I don't know; that'll be the Will of Heaven. :)

By the way, are there any sacraments in this church?
Are you the Pope of this Church or what do you call yourself? Is there any hierarchy? Can you declare holy war? :crazyeyesI am merely the recruiter/registrar. No, we don't have any hierarchy, not that we need to. As for holy wars, boy you are late; we had declared a Holy War on the AWAC which lasted only one-two days when they got clamped down by the govt.

Well, we're all warmongerers, myself included. Death to the savages!!
This Colonist supports the War Church!! :goodjob:So are you joining us? The more the merrier! :D Come, don't be shy.

Can I be member of this and OACF?
I thought we couldn't be like having two hats, like you said....

Well I'll ally myself with you guys, I wanna maintain my Colonist identity and independence, but I'll adopt the beliefs which suit me. Then sure, I'll spread the Doctrine to the savages. In any case, it'll give me justification for getting rid of them. However, profits are #1!

GOD AND GLORY!!!!

Now, I got some GREAT ideas. How about more comfortable pews which can suit our fellow churchmen who happen to be of wider girth, money-changing posts at the Holy War Temple, and little ads all over the temples and churches? All the profits will of course go to me!

By the way, what do you do when you declare holy war? I mean, you can't send holy armies of death against the enemy... You won't ever declare holy war against OACF, right? :(

Can I be member of this and OACF?
I thought we couldn't be like having two hats, like you said....There weren't any set rules on how many citizens' groups you can join. So I guess until Duck or Cornmaster said otherwise, we can participate in as many as we wish so long as we don't create trouble. ;)

Well I'll ally myself with you guys, I wanna maintain my Colonist identity and independence, but I'll adopt the beliefs which suit me. Then sure, I'll spread the Doctrine to the savages. In any case, it'll give me justification for getting rid of them. However, profits are #1!I'll take it you want in. For some reason, my mind can't process all that ..... :)

Now, I got some GREAT ideas. How about more comfortable pews which can suit our fellow churchmen who happen to be of wider girth, money-changing posts at the Holy War Temple, and little ads all over the temples and churches? All the profits will of course go to me!We are not in the business of profits. Our ideal to form a powerful military and expand our empire by the might of our arms where appropriate. ;)

By the way, what do you do when you declare holy war? I mean, you can't send holy armies of death against the enemy... You won't ever declare holy war against OACF, right? :( We are firm supporters of the Colonists as our beliefs coincide with yours in this case. A strong military will require a strong empire and vice versa. :)

As for Holy Wars, it's the thought that counts, or intent in our case. Even w/o the active participation of the War Church, the enemy collapsed by itself. :D We'll improvise if someday we've a more appropriate and stronger adversary. ;)

Did someone say von Clausewitz?:D

"War is the continuation of policy by other means."

I am of the opinion that colonization and conquest will have to be the order of the day, as we are somewhat confined to a small island-continent. A strong navy should be maintained.

And lots of cryptic messages should be passed back and forth between members of this organization, for no outward apparent reason. It will throw our detractors off balance.;)

Well my fellow Warmongers, it seems as if yours truly is up for re-election. Keeping with the spirit of this campaign season, I'm sure your bulging wallets shall, ahem, fall at my feet ;) as you pass by at the next Weapons Rally :D in order to , ahem, aid, my pursuit of the Diplomacy Crown :)

My campaign speech shall be ready shortly. And if you see that little peacemonger Juize who is presently running for the same position, might I suggest a timely shot to the gut with any implement of hospitalization that you may have at your disposal at the time :p

Go, Hippo! :goodjob: Now if only joespaniel will run ..... :D

With the twin towers of the Mil and Diplo offices within our grasp and a (would-be) President sympathetic to our holy cause, we shall show them puny peaceniks the Way to glory and world domination.

Now if only someone runs against Pellaken ...... :p

Why? What's that filthy peacenik running for?

Late breaking news: Oh yeah! Exploration! Put your thinking caps on...we've got a party to crash.

I don't have aproblem with him getting the exploration job since its a relatively peaceful role anyway and we have to start exploring new islands anyway. Also any triremes that are built may be needed by the colonists so he will not get everything his own way.

Also he may get converted to our way of thinking once he sees his explorers brutally murdered by the savages.

I will make summore nominations, check the thread soon.

WHOHOOO! I can play the Democracy Game! Sign me up for the War Church, so that we may sheath our swords into the beating hearts of our enemies!

Originally posted by Dell19
I don't have aproblem with him getting the exploration job since its a relatively peaceful role anyway and we have to start exploring new islands anyway. Also any triremes that are built may be needed by the colonists so he will not get everything his own way.It's a matter of principle. :cool:

Suggestion- To intimidate Peaceniks and the like we should wear our beloved viking caps, and we will dominate the arena! I already have mine!:viking: :viking: :viking:

I wish to add my name to this great faction with these words

'Make peace if you must, but never leave the empire without an enemy'
:tank: :shotgun:

continued from the CDB

well, if it was up to the peacenicks, and we had another tribe on our island, we certainley would NOT attack them within the next 3 turns... we would have ALREADY built units and smashed thier puny civilization into dust and beyond! your tame! My points were all mid-game. at the cannons, crusaders, knights tech level. we shouldent go out attacking things just cause we are bored. Let me ask you this:

lets say that we have an enemy that is far away. will we convoy 1 unit a time to thier land, at high cost to destory them? or will we build up 10-20-30 units, then convoy them on, or near the same turn, then use the cities we take to make more units?

I am opposed to wasted military units, not to ones that attack. its best to have no casualties, will you accept this?

here, please answer this:
do you belive:

1 we should only attack a nation when we should win

2 if attacked, we should defend ourselvs and take as many cities as possible

3 if a war starts to stalemate, we should sue for peace

4 we should build improvments and tech's not just units

5 we wont attack every civ we run across

if you answer yes to all 5 of these questions, then sign me up, cause this is what I belive.

here, let me put it this way, a story of mine.

*begin previews:
one, Pellaken saying something stupid, someone yelling at tim
one, Pellaken running for office, making speaches like crazy, getting 0 votes cause he dident even vote for himself
one, a deul between Pellaken and CornMaster, where Pellaken is killed

the loud single beat that tells you this movie has dolby surround sound*

Based on a true story
*credits
everything:pellaken*

once, in a game, I was the americans. I ran into the romans. they came into my lands. so I attacked them with 7 legions, and destroyed one of thier cities totally, untill I got to an ithmus between us {a single tile, that if a city is built on it, prevents movement of anykind unless eathier the city is taken or a sea route is taken} I then built a city on the ithmus and stoped the war untill I became stronger. the game is saved, but I do plan to annex rome eventually.

end of movie
credits
everything:pellaken
special thanx to:you for reading this


would you have continued into Rome with only 3 leigions? or would you have also stopped while you built? I did not sign peace, but this is what I mean. I took it as that you would keep attacking at any cost, even if all cities are just building units for 50 turns in a row, and they are all being killed. if my story is enough being war-like, then again, sign me up, if I am still to passive, then dont.

. Well, number three would never happen, because the War Church will not allow it:D

The others, well, are sort of my ideas, and nmumber 5, our War Church isn't THAT
barbaric, maybe we will leave a couple of civs crippled, niot deasd:D

But ask Knight Dragon, he would know it all.

knight-dragon
tell me a story of what should be done in the war church. include:
what city improvements should be built
when we will/wont attack
and other things...
perhaps all this time we had the same belifs, only different ways of expressing them.

Originally posted by Wolfe Tone
I wish to add my name to this great faction with these words

'Make peace if you must, but never leave the empire without an enemy'
:tank: :shotgun: There will always be Enemies, even if we conquer the world. Look within the empire. ;)

Originally posted by Pellaken
if you answer yes to all 5 of these questions, then sign me up, cause this is what I belive.NEVER! :sniper: :hammer: :suicide:

NEVER AGAIN!!!

And stop profaning our Holy Sanctuary! We are not interested in your life story! :p

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
:sniper: :hammer:


You killed my hammer thrower! :eek: :cry:

I propose vendetta upon you and your faction!

but seriouley, are we not that different, or am I still to tame?

Originally posted by Ohwell
You killed my hammer thrower! :eek: :cry:

I propose vendetta upon you and your faction! [/B]I am trying to kill Mr P. ;) Any side casualties are regrettable but sometimes we must sacrifice for the Greater Good. :sniper:

Yes, collateral damage is a unfortunate consequence of war... :lol:

Thanks for nominating me, KD. If I become the Military Advisor, the War Church will have some clout for awhile. ;)

I hope we find another civ soon, and I hope its an aggressive one! Mongols or Carthage would do fine. :D

:hammer: -time!

Yes, it has been pretty boring w/o running into the AI up till now. Hopefully our galleys will find them soon.

Hippo and you will almost certainly win. And then, we shall spread our shadow er no ..... enlightened beneficience across the empire. ;)

You know, had this been Civ3, our work will get much easier. Early wars of conquest are almost always very rewarding. :lol:

Ah, yes, almost forgot about the elections! Just voted, Hippo and Joe
are definatley going to win:D Hippo is running for diplo? If he is and
they both win, well, their is going to be a lot of White, Green, teal,
blue, orange, and purple blood :cool:

The Incarnate rises, with the power of three! :hammer:

We're a team: I say "War" then he says "Charge" :D Let the seas turn red with BLOOD!

I say row slaves!

Too bad we cant name the triremes.

HMS Reaver or something like that. :D

Originally posted by joespaniel
I say row slaves!

Too bad we cant name the triremes.

HMS Reaver or something like that. :D Well, once you officially become the Mil Leader, maybe we can do something to change that. ;)

I suggest HMS Soulblighter.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=161675&t=9377#post161675

I'm the new military deputy, and am willing to act as leaison between the gov and the wat church. just PM me...

BTW, this is how being the deputy military leader and posting in this thread makes me feel: :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Well, after playing probably over 2000 civ2 games, and only landing 3 spaceships, I have discovered that I have a natural love for war. Therefore. i cannot deny myself the oprotunity to join this organization. Sign me up Knight-Dragon.
Congrats to Joe and Hippo!!

P.S. I was the kid on the playground running around and beating people up for their lunch money :)

Originally posted by Pellaken
I'm the new military deputy, and am willing to act as leaison between the gov and the wat church. just PM me...

BTW, this is how being the deputy military leader and posting in this thread makes me feel: :D If you're looking for the wat church, you're looking in the wrong place.

Your pathetic attempt to poke fun at the War Church is mildly amusing, to say the least. One also wonders why we need an official liasion with the office of the Military Leader. It's not like we're dictating the military policy of the empire. Also esp when the Mil Leader is one of us. :cool:

And welcome to gonzo, to our august brotherhood. We'll always need a few bullies around, esp with the likes of Pellaken profaning our holy sanctuary. ;) :D

the spelling error was honest, I just thought you'd get a pick of ME becoming the deputy military leader... shudda accepted my nomination. :D

Proud to be here! I just noticed that you already updated the first post to include me. Amazing!

Originally posted by Pellaken
the spelling error was honest, I just thought you'd get a pick of ME becoming the deputy military leader... shudda accepted my nomination. :D For the duration of this game, I will remain a Watcher and never run for office.

Why will one get a pick fr you becoming the deputy? You sure have strange conceptions..... After all, joespaniel's the Military Leader, not you. :p

Hey Knight-Dragon, I think you need to re-read the CDB post. On it, pellaken so clearly states that he can destroy civs before he finds them. My post had been enclosed.
E.g. Had we found another tribe on our island, we would have gone to war with them within the next 3 turns - guaranteed. Going by your doctrine, we'll be sharing the island with them instead.

Notice the word "found"

well, if it was up to the peacenicks, and we had another tribe on our island, we certainley would NOT attack them within the next 3 turns... we would have ALREADY built units and smashed thier puny civilization into dust and beyond! your tame!

If that's the case, then I nominate Pellaken for every leadership position and military position. /sarcasm

Knight-Dragon stated that we would war the civ within three turns of finding them. How could you possibly destroy them before you even find them,you're a genius pellaken! <--- major sarcasm!

Thought you might find some humor in this fellow war-churchmen:)
NOTE: minor changes made to ensure clarity.

THE HORROR! THE AGoonnnyy......

WHAT SCUM HAS BEEN BREACHING OUR HOLY SANCTUARY!
IS IT.. PELLAKEN! BEGONE FROM OUR MIGHTY CHURCH! YOUR EVIL KIND IS NOT ALLOWED HERE! IT IS YOUR KIND WHO WILL BE THE DOOM OF US ALL!

But Gonzo, Pellaken is an adept expansion leader, and a would gladly nominate him for other positions as well, it is just, well...

A PEACNICK! Our great powers, no, are not, harming, the peacnick... NOOO! Must get him out!

Damn it is cold in here!

Originally posted by gonzo_for_civ
Hey Knight-Dragon, I think you need to re-read the CDB post. On it, pellaken so clearly states that he can destroy civs before he finds them. My post had been enclosed.Oh, I know about those posts; just that I don't feel like arguing with an eel (so slippery) that day. :lol: In reality, I am getting run down by all his constant nagging, so I suppose his tactic is working. :lol: Just joking..... ;)

I say we stick him on an ocean-bound trireme :D:satan:

BTW, there's been sightings off the starboard coast! Ships flying the teal flag...we shall have sport for our mighty armies soon enough I predict!

YAY!! Maybe we can get in some kills. I can't wait to see the defense minister tell us how many units we've killed. It'll be real fun:):nuke:

Oh yeah, if this game gets out of hand and space ship is how the vote goes to end it. I say every other city gets nuked!!! But that is a long ways away!!!

I say we call in the exterminators to take care of the little infestation.

The Mongol Horde Has Declared War!!!

They demanded our money, and we refused. Now we are in active service!!! YAY!!!:love: :nuke: :D :D :cool:

OOOOHHHHHHH YEAH!!!!!!!! Lets drag it out and kick a little @$$ Wooohoooooo phaser

My brothers, should we not put forth an official statement on the current conflict? Should we not reccomend a course of action and use our considerable political weight to execute it?

Crush them I say! Immediate elephant production (do we have Poly yet?) in 3 cities!

Every member of the war church should vote in Military Poll #1.

Its your patriotic duty. :D

The more I think about it and the way I play, the more obvious it is to me that I should be in this worthy party...Please sign me up and let me know where the elephants are so that I can crush some mongol skulls

Sadly, our fledgling economy cannot support the massive bone-crunching force I would like to have.

However, our devious President :satan:, has come up with a good plan.

We continue to build markets, but we need a city planner to post a poll for diplomats to be produced. Two is all we need, to load on our ship and BRIBE the Mongol cities to our side!
:mwaha: Mwah-hah-hah!

I urge all War Church members to vote in Military Poll #2. And post your support for Operation Violet Fury !

We have no more room to expand peacefully, those cities should be ours! They declared war on us, its no less than they deserve!

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15153

Ah, when I saw those cities on the map, I hoped for war. Bribery does seem to be the best course of action at this early date, but we will need to build a real military soon....

I'll have to agree with joespaniel on this one. We'll need to build up our economy first before we can build a big army. For now, diplomats will have to do.

Originally posted by Cunobelin Of Hippo
My brothers, should we not put forth an official statement on the current conflict? Should we not reccomend a course of action and use our considerable political weight to execute it?Let's do it. :D What do you have in mind?

Brothers of the War Church:

I submit myself before your glowing eyes - those that never blink and are ever watchful. I, but newly arrived to Fanatica, humbly request an audience so that my own lowly thoughts may be heard by those endowed with the most Holy of Military Wisdom.

As a veteran of countless campaigns in what seems as now a previous life, I offer a stratagem that could greatly enhance the effectiveness of Great Fanatica's wartime diplomatic strikes.

Hark! As we war with the dreaded, though in our eyes lowly, Mongols of our world, I believe that we have merely scratched the surface of the insidious expansion of this civilization. We must find the hub, the capital if you will, that has spawned these vermin and place this city in the Holy Aura of The Brotherhood's unwavering gaze.

While our empire has yet to reach the glorious pinnacle of military might, while we solidify our stance regarding all things monetary, Fanatica's strategy must be more precise and more efficient as it enters the field of battle.

With this in mind, your humble fellow citizen suggests a two-pronged approach.

While attracting the odious Mongols to our cause with the use of diplomatic funds seems less glorious, I agree that it is our duty to give these people the opportunity to see the Holy Light that is Fanatica and make amends for their Mongolness. Perhaps we can teach them to bathe and speak in non-monosyllabic words. But there will remain the hub.

This is why I've developed the second prong to my plan that I submit. Our ships even now are searching for the cities of the infidels, and should we find the capital city that spawned this lesser race it should then become a target for our first military endeavor. A surgical attack is what is needed. It would not take many resources from our empire - I do not hesitate to think that a mere 4 speedy and mighty crusaders can perform this task with precision - which would only involve two of our seagoing vessels. Have them take the capital, I tell you, take it and destroy the Mongol Palace and all who dwell within.

The effects will be felt throughout their entire mediocre empire. A new palace will take ages to build, and during this time our shrewd diplomats will be able to convince Mongol cities to join our cause all the quicker (and cheaper).

So this I submit to the Brothers for their wise council: Shall we make all efforts to find the Mongol capital and put it asunder whilst our diplomats follow with then more valuable coin?

I retire to my own chambers and await with all reverence for the Brotherhood's reply.

I thank you for granting this audience.

Kev,

I would agree that it would make more sense to take out the capital before we bribe cities, however the mindset of the democracy is that we should continue with marketplaces and build on our own economy ,which is sadly flailing as we speak. Without more info on where the capital is and what is in their then we could be in a position where our attacking force may not be abe to take out the capital (ie if their capital has walls and a couple of pikeman).

I think it is worthwhile allowing our scouts do their job and then decide what the best course of action is. Once the marketplaces are finished then we will start building caravans . At some point we will know the Mongol situation better and then decide whether your proposal is the best solution to take.

ps.. Have you considered a job as the History Keeper for this game . Sadly Jumbi hasn't been seen for a while and I like your style of writing:goodjob:

Thanks Jomey:

I did mention in my diatribe that we must solidify "all things monetary". Believe me, there is no larger proponent to trade and economy than I!! Trade caravans have always been the backbone of all my Civ2 games, and combined with marketplaces, libraries and nicely developed land will be a moving force in any civ.

Of course, there are several caveats to my thoughts here - including the ones that you mentioned regarding the whereabouts and the defense of the Mongol capital.

However, my mode of thinking is why not look? Chances are, the capital is on the island where we see the outlying cities, and the map seems to indicate a largely island world where getting to specific cities may not entail a huge inland push. Think if someone wanted to get to our own capital.

Further, training a total of 4 Crusaders over a given period of time should not severly cripple our economy. We already have 2 ships we can use as transport and putting a dip or two in the field should not be that much to add afterward. The difference in cost for any bribery done will easily make up the difference - especially if the capital is on the same island as these cities.

Finally, I refer to the fact that our democratic empire has decreed that some action be taken against the Mongols.

I just think that it would take nothing to at least look and see where the capital is - as you have suggested Perhaps even an embassy could help us determine if they have Feudalism and therefore pikemen. It would serve us very well if this is a plan that we can utilize.

Hmmmm, well, I appear to have lost my lead in the Science Poll overnight:( It's a non-warchurchman who's beating me also :(:(
There's still a little time left though. We need military tech!!!!!! and crusaders.

We're on a recruitment drive for the ancient and venerable War Church. :) Pls post here if interested in joining.

For more info, pls read the first post in this thread (and the thread).

Awaken! my fellow warchurchmen, and allow me to tell you a tale. It is a sad tale, of a place called the united fanatica. You see, the united fanatica is at war, with a place called rome. They know where a Roman city is, but doesn't have the unit manpower to take. The reason is: All of it's citizen's declare WAR but won't vote to build any military.

Please!! We have a few more city production polls up. We need some military. Keep that in mind while you cast your votes. Also, there is a war going on. WAKE UP!!

I am awake!!!!!

I believe that we do actually have the necessary units, its just a case of organising them...

The only problem with organizing the units, is that to get all 5 of them to Virconium would take 20 turns at least and then we would need several more units if we ever wanted to have a serious attack on the Roman empire. We need units!

Let us raise the units if at all possible. All I can say is we are dependant on votes. Perhaps someone should propose a system that lets more military units get built with less voting, but until that happens, the only thing to do it to vote for troops in the city polls.

Omichyron, good job. That's what we all need to do. Vote for units and let the democratic process work. If the fighting gets severe, then there may be emergency unit building i hope.

Here's how I see it War-Churchians.

We can take the Roman outpost with 4 units - I'm thinking 3 crusaders and a pikeman for holding the city.

We have two sleeping crusaders on the home island and a new pike in Athenae. We need rush a single extra crusader and we should be in business.

Further, we have 2 triremes in the waters between our home island and the Roman outpost island.

I feel confindent that we can take the lone Roman city in less than 20 turns if we move efficiently. This means getting a 3rd crusader built fast, waking the sleeping crusaders and sending them to the west coast, and getting our ships ready for transport.

I was hoping that Pellaken would have started the process, but I have yet to see the game and don't know if anything had been done.

We should be able to hold the city once taken rather well, and with gunpowder soon to be had and Leo's to be built we should need not worry about ancient units doing us harm. Then, I would further colonize the island.

We may not be able to make serious war with the Romans until the wonder race has slowed, but that is OK. Taking their outpost gives us a foothold on this new island that can help further insulate our inner cities.

While we may then look for peace for a while, let us not worry over much. Our war machine WILL have its day to shine!

Yes, Pellaken did start the process of moving the units and he rushed another trireme to help ferry the units. We just need a few more to secure the victory and our might.

PS. Someone go post something positive about pellaken, i think he needs it :)

Our military is sufficient to capture Virconium with 6 crusaders and such. We have available naval forces, there is no need for more units. If I felt we needed more units, I would make a poll on where to build them.

Last I checked we didn't have 6 crusaders. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I saw.

Originally posted by gonzo_for_civ
Yes, Pellaken did start the process of moving the units and he rushed another trireme to help ferry the units. We just need a few more to secure the victory and our might.

PS. Someone go post something positive about pellaken, i think he needs it :)

Well, the trireme was rushed in Unknown City. This was actually not necessary IMO. We have 2 triremes right in the area right now. Unknown is a fair distance away - and at 3 tiles a turn would take a while to be put into action.

I don't mean to pick on Pellaken, I'm just trying to paint a picture by which we can get the city more efficiently. I'm glad that Pellaken has taken the position and he certainly does not lack for effort. :)

So I'm telling ya: Add a 3rd crusader in a home-island city by rushing! We can get to Viroconium in like 10 turns with an attack force of 3 crusaders and a pike. That is all we should need.

OhWell: I know we have 6 crusaders, but only 2 on the home island. Why waste the time to deliver some from the outpost cities when a single rush-build will give us what we need and a speedy attack. We may wish to have them if those outposts are attacked in any case.

On another note, when Fort Pornstar finishes its trireme, we'll have 5 out on the seas. That's a pretty good number and we may not need too many more.

Finally, am I the only one to take umbrage with the President's idea of sending triremes into open waters "to look for more land"? Seems a risky ploy for valuable units like our ships. There seem to be several "land tips" that bear exploring before we set sail to uncharted waters. Anyone else on this?

Finally, am I the only one to take umbrage with the President's idea of sending triremes into open waters "to look for more land"? Seems a risky ploy for valuable units like our ships. There seem to be several "land tips" that bear exploring before we set sail to uncharted waters. Anyone else on this?

Yeah, I think we should either go explore the tips of land near Virconium Island or else wait until caravels are readily available.

Well, the trireme was rushed in Unknown City. This was actually not necessary IMO. We have 2 triremes right in the area right now. Unknown is a fair distance away - and at 3 tiles a turn would take a while to be put into action.

Yes, that was not neccesary. We had given a queue to Fort Pornstar for a trireme, that was sufficient, and even after I finished the poll I felt it would be more than sufficient. I propose it be sent to the west, we have little knowledge of the west.

Yes, that was not neccesary. We had given a queue to Fort Pornstar for a trireme, that was sufficient, and even after I finished the poll I felt it would be more than sufficient. I propose it be sent to the west, we have little knowledge of the west.

I agree, I don't know why it was done. He said something about one trireme being too far away or something. :confused:

Originally posted by Ohwell


Yes, that was not neccesary. We had given a queue to Fort Pornstar for a trireme, that was sufficient, and even after I finished the poll I felt it would be more than sufficient. I propose it be sent to the west, we have little knowledge of the west.

I'm in total agreemnt here, OhWell.

I guess exploration - for some ODD reason - falls under the MOI. I'll post a poll on this tonight.

Originally posted by Kev
I guess exploration - for some ODD reason - falls under the MOI. I'll post a poll on this tonight.

This is so because when we passed the merging of the Exploration minister and City Planner it became the MOI. Exploration would fit because it is aiming to expand our nation. It is not odd, it fits in perfectly.

Well, Ohwell, it seems that gonzo, you and I are online at the same time and have quite a pseudo-chat going :)

I know that the responsibilities were merged, but I still don't think that the Interior Minister should be involved with exploration which I view more as "Exterior".

I do agree, however, that there doesn't seem to be another cabinet position into which it SHOULD fit, so I guess the MOI is as good as any.

Perhaps I'll try to pawn this off on the VP position or something..:D

It's just that the MOI is now supposed to be concerned with:

Wonder building
New city placement
Allocation of each settler
Internal Trade
Use of each caravan
Exploration
Sci/Tac/Lux rates
Changing governments

And I've added:

Surplus levels
Rush-building

That's a lot for a single position. Especially for one like me who is inherently lazy. :crazyeyes

well, you guys wanted me to get units to rome. in order ro get units to rome I'd need to move them there on boats. am I to wait:
untill we finish building one
then
move it to the city
then
load it up
then
move it to rome?
by then the'd have tanks defending it. I can only work with the resoruces avilable. I felt it was nessacery to build a boat in that city to take its 2 sleeping units directley to rome. porn's boat can be used for further exploration in the southeast.

PELLAKEN!

There were two boats between Virconium and our lands!! They were for the troops!!!

:rolleyes:

OHWELL
I'm using them, but you just told me to only ferry 2 units from the mainland. I'll have to put the crusaders and horseman back now. I'll send the other one out!

if you guys want to impeach me, then do so. as for now, sorry that I sound rude, but its done, and theres nothing we can do about it.

Originally posted by Pellaken
OHWELL
I'm using them, but you just told me to only ferry 2 units from the mainland. I'll have to put the crusaders and horseman back now. I'll send the other one out!



When did I say that! No don't! We are sending threee crusaders and one pikeman...

No, you should not be impeached. But please, please don't imagine things...

I' do plan on exploring in the southeast. I suspect some enemies lie here. I'll do more exploring in the north also once our troops are in attakcing position

We can discuss that in the chat. But I have no Idea where you got that Idea...

AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!:mad: :mad:


then, why not pm me EVERYHTING that you think I should do with your units, as I ASKED!!

Originally posted by Pellaken
AAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!:mad: :mad:


then, why not pm me EVERYHTING that you think I should do with your units, as I ASKED!!

Asked where? I don't control units, you do. You movre the units.

Originally posted by Ohwell


Asked where? I don't control units, you do. You movre the units.

well, you keep telling me how I'm doing things wrong!

All this arguing is doing us no good. We're all on the same side here. Let's put forth a new expedition. 3 crusaders and 1 pike. Period.

And let's send them as soon as they're ready and take out that Roman outpost before they begin putting serious units into it. ;)