Wow. I have so many ideas for Civ 4. Like this one. Every country has a male and female leader. Such as India. Mohandes Gandhi (boy) Indira Gandhi (girl).
That'd be so cool.

And some new countries. Like this:

Ethiopia
Mali
Songhai
Poland
Canada
Australia
New Zealand
Vietnam
Umayyad Caliphate
South Africa
Brazil
Cherokee
Sicily (the best ever)
Sardinia
Khmer
Indonesia
Hawaii (the kingdom)

And tenses of nations. For example, in the ancient and middle age, it's Rome. The cities are Pisae, Neapolis, Rome, etc. But starting in the industrial age, Rome becomes Italy. Pisae is Pisa, Neapolis becomes Naples, etc.

Rebels! Who could forget rebels. Every once in a while (like every 3,000 years) a half of your nation breaks away to become independent. India has Pakistan, Mali has Songhay, France has Burgundy, etc. They also take half your treasury and take their biggest city to become a capital. Either you can accept the new nation (yeah right) or fight back. It's a revolution or civil war.

And a better view of the city. When you look you see people actually living in the city. And realistic comparison. I once had a city with 4,000,000 people and it had 15 houses. Talk about density! (i know i'm not funny)

More realistic warfare! The largest army in the world has 180 troops-phh! How about each figure represents like say 2,000 soldiers. And when you get in a battle you can go on the battlefield-like on Rome Total War! That'd make civilization perfect...

And monetheism shouldn't be required, nor should polytheism. Instead there should be ten religions:
Catholic
Protestant
Eastern Orthodox
Muslim
Hindu
Buddhist
Athiest
Jewish
Tribal Religions
Sikhism

Oh! and disasters. Tornadoes, earthquakes, volcanoes...that affect your people's lives...THEY DIE! AH! And plagues...bubonic plagues! Only in like the 19th century. That'd be cool!

It has already be stated that only a few civs will have two leaders, and the ones with multiple leaders have leaders which are opposite each other, Napolean-Lousi XIV

It has already been decided and said that there will be only 18civs in the core or vanilla version of Civ4 and some of those wont even make it for an expansion.

Nice idea but that should be more optionial, as for changeing city names automatically is to much for the computer.

Revoultions and civil wars are good but shouldnt be required to happen but may happen if you screw up.

Useless, waste to much time and space, memory for that city view type.

No, pulls the game down to a tactical level, this is a strategic view not tactical.

Um reilgons have already been decided on, check the other forum

No problem good.


Might I suggest reading up on whats been announced already about the game

hey sicilyguy...

JEWISH IS NOT A RELIGION :mad: :mad: :mad: JUDIASM IS

other than that, you had a couple good ideas - i like the natural disasters one

Yeah, and neither is:

Catholic (Catholicism)
Protestant (Protestantism)
Muslim (Islam)
Hindu (Hinduism)
Buddhist (Buddhism)
Athiest (Atheism)

:p

Oh! and disasters. Tornadoes, earthquakes, volcanoes...that affect your people's lives...THEY DIE! AH! And plagues...bubonic plagues! Only in like the 19th century. That'd be cool!

I agree with this. The Mongols had their fleet destroyed, twice by typhoons when they were trying to invade Japan. So was the American occupation fleet a few months after the US signed peace with the Japanese.

Athiest (Atheism)
Atheism isn't even a religion, it's the absence of religion!

Protestantism and Catholicism are all in Christianism.

Protestantism and Catholicism are all in Christianism.

So is Eastern Orthodox.

I didn't see it :mischief:

As an Indian I would prefer The Queen of Jhansi over indira gandhi! She was a :devil:

And tenses of nations. For example, in the ancient and middle age, it's Rome. The cities are Pisae, Neapolis, Rome, etc. But starting in the industrial age, Rome becomes Italy. Pisae is Pisa, Neapolis becomes Naples, etc.

I don't like this idea at all.
You built your OWN civ. And the challenge is to survive the time. Rome has nothing to do with modern Italy, in ethos, modus vivendi, etc. They merely have some connections, most of which are roman remnants, not Roman elements converted/evolved to Italian.
Similarly, if your idea was imlemented, then Greece would need to be renamed Byzantine Empire and then Greece again, by modern times. While, Byzantines would need to get out of the game.

Athiest

I really like this. :) I myself am a materialist and did not quite like the idea of introducing religions.
Probably, when a civ reaches a very advanced and sophisticated cultural level (not necessarily technological one), should be able to convert to atheist/materialist social structures.

This must also happen with Communism, which is a materialst philosophy.

Atheism should have many bonuses in tech research (you wish to accept it or not, most of the world's top minds, such as Einstein (until he got old anf begun to think after the meaning and value of life), Hawking, Marx (as an economist, not a philosopher),etc. were and still are atheists),
and people's happiness (slightly raised to religious peoples, guven than atheists do not mind after what happens after death, are not afraid of supernatural forces, etc.).

It shall have numerous disadvantages on war, probability to entairtain your people (raising expeditures for people's happiness would not be effective), and other.

Umayyad Caliphate



What happened to the Abbasids and Fatimids?

The fact of the matter is that none of the three peoples you've mentioned are going into civ and neither should
Ethiopia
Mali
Songhai
Poland
Canada
Australia
New Zealand
Vietnam
South Africa
Brazil
Cherokee
Sicily
Sardinia
Khmer
Indonesia
Hawaii (the kingdom)

when you think about it, they are all minor in the world stage, when I play civ, I want to play against important countries that have, or had the potential to chnge the world.

The game should ship with some basic racial/ethnic models (Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, Amerindian, Polynesian…) and that way anyone who wants to create a specific nation can do it themselves. If you want New Zealand, you take the Caucasoid (or Polynesian if you want a Maori not Anglo culture) basic leader and customize him/her.

Except in specific historic scenarios, I don’t like any of these historic leaders. Gandhi is going to live for 5,000 years? I have especially hated civs like the Americans. (Stupid Lincoln!) I want to make a civ that stands the test of time, stone-age to space-age. I don’t want a civ that pops up in the 18th century.

I don’t want to see a separate “religion” for atheists, but there should be an option in civics to set the piety of your civ. Do you have a theocracy or do you embrace secular humanism? Tech advances such as physics, enlightenment, theory of evolution, etc. could impact the religions of your and other civs.

Poland started WWII, thats not minor. Poland, Brazil, Vietnam OR Khmer out of those should be added out of thiose I think. I dont see why people get so mad about America, just because its young doesnt make it less a civilization. I wish countries could spring up mid game, I dont know how that works in the new one though.

Well, Poland is WAY less important than Babylon, and it is not in the game. Not that Poland is bad and should never be in civ, but there is room for 18 civs, and there is 0 place remaining for Poland. I don't even think Poland is #20 (as I think it is sure that Babs are 19). I don't really know the history of Poland, so I can't say when it should be in civ (first or second expansion).

I dont see why people get so mad about America, just because its young doesnt make it less a civilization.

I don't see why Old Man doesn't like Lincoln, unless true to his name he actually knew Lincoln back in the 1800's.

People don't like America because they are jealous of the greatest country in the World. :king:

I really like this. :) I myself am a materialist and did not quite like the idea of introducing religions.
Probably, when a civ reaches a very advanced and sophisticated cultural level (not necessarily technological one), should be able to convert to atheist/materialist social structures.

This must also happen with Communism, which is a materialst philosophy.

Atheism should have many bonuses in tech research (you wish to accept it or not, most of the world's top minds, such as Einstein (until he got old anf begun to think after the meaning and value of life), Hawking, Marx (as an economist, not a philosopher),etc. were and still are atheists),
and people's happiness (slightly raised to religious peoples, guven than atheists do not mind after what happens after death, are not afraid of supernatural forces, etc.).

It shall have numerous disadvantages on war, probability to entairtain your people (raising expeditures for people's happiness would not be effective), and other.
I think you forget that they have steered away from giving bonuses to religions because it would inflame tensions if they did - as people would start claiming that one is better than another. And if you give massive bonuses to atheism, then you will get every other religion mad.
Just on that, you can't use the fact that smart people were atheists as a reason to make it a super religion. Civ is about civilizations. Hawking might be an atheist but the rest of America (or wherever he's from) isn't.

Yeah I'm smart ;) and I'm a Christian, doesn't mean all Christian's are.

People don't like America because they are jealous of the greatest country in the World. :king:
Don't you watch the news? Everybody knows Quebec is the best country in the world. Quebec is so great that New York and Boston flipped to us!

People don't like America because they are jealous of the fattest country in the World. :p

The fattest country in the world is officially Greece (ironic that :P ), with an average calorie intake per capita of 171% of the reccomended daily intake.

Don't you watch the news? Everybody knows Quebec is the best country in the world. Quebec is so great that New York and Boston flipped to us!

Actually, I was trying to get New York to flip. I hate losing Boston though, should have built Sistine's there. :king:

People don't like America because they are jealous of the fattest country in the World. :p

That's not true. All I had today was a pizza for breakfast, then stopped at McDonalds on the way to work for a couple Egg McMuffins & hash browns, then I only ate 3 donuts when I got to work. That should barely get me thru till my 10:00 snack break. Man, I'm going to have to go to Lunch early today! :king:

Poland started WWII, thats not minor. Poland, Brazil, Vietnam OR Khmer out of those should be added out of thiose I think. I dont see why people get so mad about America, just because its young doesnt make it less a civilization. I wish countries could spring up mid game, I dont know how that works in the new one though.

Poland did NOT start WWII. The invasion of Poland by Germany is what started the war. Germany claimed that the invasion was due to a provocation by Poland, but that was ridiculous and nobody believed it. France and the UK were compelled by treaty to declare war on Germany due to this act, which is what started WWII (in Europe).

As far as Poland's historical significance, read about King Jan Sobieski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Sobieski) of Poland, who was pivotal in relieving the siege of Vienna by the Turks in 1683. In the late medieval period, Poland was one of the most powerful nations in Europe, occupying part or all of what is now Poland, Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, Germany, and other nations. Read more at Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland).

Nevertheless, Mesopotamia [represented either by Babylon or Sumeria (but NOT both, as in conquests!)] is widely agreed upon as having been history's first civilization. They should be represented before any of the ones on the list, and, indeed, before all of the ones that were included in the actual game.

[QUOTE=mastertyguy]Quebec is the best country in the world[QUOTE]


QUEBEQ IS A COUNTRY??? I thought it was a state of Canada if it is a country why not put in Vatican City?????? :confused:

Don't you watch the news? Everybody knows Quebec is the best country in the world. Quebec is so great that New York and Boston flipped to us!


Quebec is a country???????

Quebec keeps trying to leave Canada and become a country unto themselves.

They were once a French colony and act as one. They believe they are better then everyone around, and everyone should just know and acknowledge that fact. From what I know, most of Canada wouldn't mind if they just left. (I'm just joking with this paragraph, making broad generalizations. Please do not get too offended. :lol: )

I think everyone should start with ancestor worship or something, and atheism should require a tech just like anything else. And 1 extra beaker per athiest city is okm i'd think.

Kind of weird to have to discover not doing something, isn't it?

If you are going to contribute stuff to science you should at least have discovered that sicence.