Ealier I did an election like this. the ones that one were Vlad, Ramesses II, Aruabaial, and Peter the Great. well now I am doing it agian. From now until next wednesday. I want you to post your requests for leaderheads. you can request as many as you want, or just secound other requests. On wednesday the requests will end. And then the top 10 requests will be voted on. And the tope 2 that get the most votes will be done. And I will also pick 1 that I like. So from this thread a minimum of 3 will be made... maybe more
A REQUEST MOST BE FORMATTED CORRECTLY!
unless it is a request secounding another request
-Leader name
-Info on what he/she did
-country he/she ruled
-and a photo, statue or painting of the person
-and maybe a reason why the old person should be replaced with a new ruler (optional)
by the way if you dont know who I am here is a sample of my work

sample request:
name:Ho-chi Mihn
country: Vietnam
info: Ho-chi Mihn formed the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, after the Japanese surrender. Ho-chi Mihn then became leader of the communist north Vietnamese durring the Vietnam war. Today he is still seen as an icon among many vietnamese... hopefully you can write more than me ^ ^;;;
http://www.redrat.net/images/ho4bw.jpg

name:Empress Tzu Hsi
country:China
information:she was the last empress of China, she cept balance with her struggling China, and did her best in the wars agenst western powers. The Empress also gained much power when she reined.
reason:China has a rich history as an empire, before communism. China reached great heights as a nation before communism and i would like to see that aspect of China reprsented in the game.

name:Empress Wu Ze-tian
country: China
information: She was ruthless in her quest to maintain power, yet an extremely capable ruler. Empress Wu was fair to her subjects, though she was very suspicious of the elites. Under her rule, Buddhism thrived and public works projects were initiated throughout the empire.
reason: While Dowager Empress Cixi often comes to mind when we think about female Chinese rulers, Empress Wu, though a controversial ruler, was among the greatest monarchs in the history of Imperial China. She solidified her claim to power with guile (and ruthlessness) and furthered the prosperity of the golden age of the Tang Dynasty.
http://i3.yesasia.com/assets/imgs/videos/19/p1003869219.jpg

*Note that there have been TV series done about Empress Wu. You can base your leaderhead on the pics of the actresses who portrayed her.

Name: Basileios II ('bulgaroctonos') or Basil II
Country: Byzantine empire
Information: Unter his rule (circa 11th century) the empire reached a high point of military power, and its largest extent after the loss of the levant to the arabs. He defeated both arabic and bulgarian enemies.
Reason: He clearly stands out as one of the most capable military-oriented emperors, but also as one of the cruelest. Also he wasnt of latin blood, but of greek, so he could be used to represent the post latinocratic part of the empire better than Justinian, or Theodora. Although Theodora is a bit better looking than thim :D

http://www.culture.gr/4/42/421/42103/42103e/00/l421ce32.jpg

name:Kaiser Wilhelm II
country: Germany

information: Complementing the era of Empress Tzu Hsi, Wilhelm was to be the last German Kaiser (Emperor) and the last King of Prussia, ruling from 1888, through WWI, to 1918. His rule was noted for his militaristic push to assert German power. He sought to expand German colonial holdings, "a place in the sun". Under the Tirpitz Plan, through the Naval Bills of 1897 and 1900, the German navy was built up to contend with that of the United Kingdom.

reason: His personality and policies oscillated between antagonizing and amusing Britain, France, and Russia. Despite his attitude (also at prior occasions, such as during the military response during Boxer uprising, where Wilhelm managed German Generals to lead the Western forces into combat- while the Kaiser demanded "no prisoners to be taken" so that "no Chinese would ever dare look at a German with a left eye") it is difficult to say that he sought World War I, although he did little to halt it. He had allied with Austria-Hungary and encouraged their hard-line in the Balkans, and although he lost his nerve at the last minute it was too late, and he soon recovered to push his generals for great achievements. During the war he was Commander in Chief but he soon lost all control of German policy and his popularity plunged. An in itself controversial character that deserves a place in the chronic of Civ leaderheads, as a much more flambuoyant figure than Bismarck ever was.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/0d/200px-KaiserBill2.JPG

Do you take fictional requests?

name:Kaiser Friedrich Barbarossa
country: The Holy Roman Empire of German Nation

information: Frederick "Barbarossa" (Italian for "redbeard") was a duke of Swabia, a German King, and Holy Roman Emperor. He spent much of his reign engaged in a long struggle with Pope Alexander III, who sought to establish the papacy independently from the empire and excommunicated Frederick. The emperor attempted to establish the German states as preeminent in Europe and fought in ongoing wars with northern Italy. After making his peace with Pope Alexander III, Frederick embarked on the Third Crusade (1189) with Philip Augustus of France and Richard I of England. He drowned on the Third Crusade while trying to cross the Saleph River.

reason:According to legend, Barbarossa is not in fact dead, but sleeps in a hidden chamber underneath the Kyffhäuser mountain, sitting at a stone table. His beard has supposedly grown so long over the centuries that it grew through the table. As in the similar legend of King Arthur, Barbarossa supposedly awaits his country's hour of greatest need, when he will emerge once again from under the mountain. The presence of ravens circling the Kyffhäuser summit is said to be a sign of Barbarossa's continuing presence. While Charlemagne was the founder of the German/Frank states of old, no other German Emperor has been atributed such legendary features as in the case of Barbarossa- a true figurehead for a German civilization (after all, Bismarck lived merely in the later industrial time, the time before him being unaccounted for).

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/friedrich1_barbarossa.jpg http://www.sachsenhof.de/de/umgebung/kyffhaeuser/barbarossa_gr.jpg http://www.sachsenhof.de/de/umgebung/kyffhaeuser/kyffhaeuser2_gr.jpg Barbarossa Monument, at the Kyffhaeuser.

name: Queen Dido
Nation: Phonicia
Information: Phonicia was the leader in sea voyages in the ancient times before Rome. Queen Dido was the Queen of a phonician city-state and was runoff by her brother and founded Carthage.
reason: Although Carthage is found in the game I think that Phonica had a stronger impact on the world then Carthage.

Kaiser Franz Jospeh of Austria (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2766279#post2766279)

Mr. Do@um.... might as well request and see what happens

by the way you can request things that have been done by Me, civ3, or anyone else on the board. It gives people variety ^ ^

I'd like a near future person on another planet in some kind of greenhouse. :)

Kaiser Franz Jospeh of Austria (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2766279#post2766279)

Well... I'll have to reveal this...

I'm already working on this man... I'm going to release some preview pictures of him soon, perhaps this weekend, very probably along with some more previews of LHs I'm working on now, and the very probable release of Roosevelt, and with a bit of luck, Franco

If KingArthur makes a request for Escape From Zombie Island II, I will second it.

If you take fantasy requests, here's mine

Name: Overtyrant Greasus Goldtooth
Country: Ogre Kingdoms
Info: Greasus Goldtooth assumed the Tyranthood of his tribe by killing and eating his own father. Since that time, Greasus has conquered many other Ogres tribes who at first refused to pay him tribute. The kingdom of the Overtyrant (as Greasus likes to be titled) has grown into a powerful and wealthy realm.

Those who challenge the Overtyrant usually end up as his next meal. When the time comes for battle, Greasus hefts his jewel-encrusted scepter and orders his Gnoblar servants to carry him into the thick of combat. The Overtyrant's wealth is so great that he is able to bribe many enemy units and inspire greed and confusion amongst the foe.

Name: Basileios II ('bulgaroctonos') or Basil II
Also he wasnt of latin blood, but of greek, so he could be used to represent the post latinocratic part of the empire better than Justinian, or Theodora. Although Theodora is a bit better looking than thim :D

Actually he was of armenian blood:p. It's true that his dynasty is called the macedonian, but this is a misconception, his farther (or his grandfarther, not sure) originated from Armenia, and he always spoke greek with a bit Armenian accent.

Are you ever going to release Asoka?

Name: Hannibal Smith
Country: None but his leadership qualities are unquestionable.
Info: Named after the Carthaginian general who almost destroyed the Roman Empire 2220 years ago. Hannibal is the father figure, leader and plan maker of the A-Team - a group of Vietnam vets, framed for a crime they did not commit. After helping all the innocent people in the world he accepted a pardon from the military and settled down for a quiet retirement in Paradise City until..... <click on link in sig.>

I pity the sucka who doesn't second this request!!! ;)

I support the Hannibal Smith LH proposed by KingArthur for The Escape from Zombie Island scenario

Here's a vote for King Arthur's request!

One more vote for Hannibal, keep the zombie mod alive!

Name: Hannibal Smith
Country: None but his leadership qualities are unquestionable.
Info: Named after the Carthaginian general who almost destroyed the Roman Empire 2220 years ago. Hannibal is the father figure, leader and plan maker of the A-Team - a group of Vietnam vets, framed for a crime they did not commit. After helping all the innocent people in the world he accepted a pardon from the military and settled down for a quiet retirement in Paradise City until..... <click on link in sig.>

I pity the sucka who doesn't second this request!!! ;)


A REQUEST MOST BE FORMATTED CORRECTLY!
-Leader name
-Info on what he/she did
-country he/she ruled


It is doubtful Shiro had this in mind when he wrote the above, as this seems to be a mere lobbying party rather than anything else one could call constructive input. :( Hate to pester, but which civilization/leaderhead should this fictive TV one actualy replace?

well, although I dislike making fantasy heads and things. If the board really needs I will do it. so if I make Hannibal he will be one era, so you can have your mod ^ ^;;
But please request real leaders ^ ^ i enjoy those more

Oh well might as well try another Fantasy request then!

Name: Astragoth
Country: Zharr-Nagrund
Information: The High Priest of Hashut, oldest Chaos Dwarf Sorcerror in the Dark Lands.
Reason: It's the one leaderhead we really really need for the next add-on for the WH Mod!
http://home.elka.pw.edu.pl/~bgolan/stronka/astrgoth.jpg

name:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
country: Ottoman Empire and Republic of Turkey

information:Mustafa studied at the military secondary school in Selânik, where the additional name Kemal ("perfection") was bestowed on him by his mathematics teacher in recognition of his academic brilliance. As 'Mustafa Kemal' he entered the military academy at Monastir (now Bitola) in 1895. He graduated as a lieutenant in 1905 and was posted to Damascus. He soon joined a secret society of reform-minded officers called Vatan (Fatherland), and became an active opponent of the Ottoman regime. In 1907 he was posted to Selânik and joined the Committee of Union and Progress commonly known as the Young Turks.

The Young Turks seized power from the Sultan Abdul Hamid II in 1908, and Mustafa Kemal became a senior military figure. In 1911, he went to the province of Libya to take part in the defence against the Italian invasion. During the first part of the Balkan Wars Mustafa was stranded in Libya and unable to take part, but in July 1913 he returned to Istanbul and was appointed commander of the Ottoman defences of the Gallipoli area on the coast of Thrace. In 1914 he was appointed military attache in Sofia, partly to remove him from the capital and its political intrigues.

When the Ottoman Empire entered World War I on the side of Germany, Mustafa Kemal was posted to Rodosto (now Tekirdag) on the Sea of Marmara. He commanded a division in the Gallipoli area, and he played a critical role in the battle against the invading allied forces during the Gallipoli landings by British, French and ANZAC forces in April 1915. Here he made his name as a brilliant military commander by defending Chunuk Bair and the Anafarta hills, becoming a national hero and acquiring the title of pasha (he would later outlaw all titles of nobility).

During 1917 and 1918 Kemal Pasha was sent to the Caucasus front fighting the Russian forces with some success, and then to the Hejaz, where the Arab Revolt against Ottoman rule was in progress. He became increasingly critical of the incompetent conduct of the war by the Sultan's government, and also of increasing German domination of the Empire. He resigned his command, but eventually agreed to return to serve in the unsuccessful defense of Palestine.

In October 1918 the Ottomans capitulated to the Allies, and Kemal Pasha became one of the leaders of the party which favoured a policy of defending the Turkish-speaking heartlands of the Empire, while agreeing to withdraw from all the non-Turkish territories. Turkish nationalist sentiment was aroused by the Greek occupation of Izmir (Smyrna) in May 1919, in accordance with the Treaty of Sèvres (this Treaty was signed by the Sultan under Allied duress but never ratified by the Ottoman parliament). ... continue reading here- it is more than worth it... :) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%FCrk)

reason:Few countries have been as genuinely and permanently changed by a single ruler as Turkey was by Atatürk. His reforms proved more lasting than the revolutionary changes of many other regimes. Tentative reforms had been undertaken in the 19th century, principally through the Tanzimat and Mesrutiyet, and they were expanded and finalised by him. He was farsighted enough to create a political system which could adapt to the introduction of pluralistic democracy fairly easily. His secularist and modernising reforms proved permanent to this day, and gave Turkey domestic and international peace and a measure of prosperity even in his lifetime. But Kemalism has also left Turkey with a divided identity — Europeanised but not quite European, alienated from the Islamic world but still a Muslim country. A great leaderhead for the modern Ottoman Turks, Military Figure and Politician alike.

Atatürk's legacy also survives in the Turkish military, which sees itself as the guardian of Turkish independence, nationalism and secularism.

http://bolukml.sitemynet.com/res/mr12.jpg
More Pictures (http://arifelmas.sitemynet.com/af/id8.htm)

ShiroKobbure you are a gentleman ... the Zombies will enjoy feasting on your Hannibal

btw Selanik= Thessalonike.

Although i'd rather not see kemal made, he is associated with at least two genocides, of which the armenian is recognised by all of the west. Alp Arslan or the already made by firaxis turk lh are better choices i think.

Ofcourse if anyone was making a scen about 1920-1922 kemal would have reason to be built, that would just be for game purposes, but i doubt that anyone is/will be making that :)

Name: Astragoth
Country: Zharr-Nagrund
Information: The High Priest of Hashut, oldest Chaos Dwarf Sorcerror in the Dark Lands.

Yes, please :)
I wholeheartliy support and stand for this request :thumbsup: - for the reasons stated by Mr. Do

Ah yes, I forgot to ask one other thing.

@Shiro:

Are you still planning on releasing that King Sejong leaderhead? I recall that you included a preview pic of King Sejong along with your other preview pics for your leaderhead pack. If not, I'll probably use another leaderhead to subsitute for King Sejong. I really don't like the one Firaxis made for Wang Kon. Looks too much like Uncle Fester. :crazyeye:

oh... well I am afriad I do not have that anymore.... (it was also one era)
now would be a great time to request him though ^ ^

All right then. I'd like to request a King Sejong leaderhead. King Sejong ruled in Korea's golden age of the Choson (Jeoseon) Dynasty and was a great scholar and inventor himself, having developed the Hangul writing system which Koreans still use to this day. He instituted progressive social policies such as setting up relief programs for peasants in times of disasters and sought to alleviate the difficulties faced by commoners.
http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Korea/korea-Sejong.jpg

is there any missing civs that need leaders? (historical)

Hm, Tzar Samuel for the bulgarians perhaps

name:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
country: Ottoman Empire and Republic of Turkey


I second this request.

is there any missing civs that need leaders? (historical)

Gou Jian of the Kingdom of Yue as I mentioned in the "Battlefield Asia Mod" discussion thread.

One group of people that i would like to see in the game is the maori, there is a lack of polynesian leaderheads, and the Maori gave a large threat to New Zealand settlers. This civilization has failed to be represented anywhere

Name:King Te Wherowhero
Nation:Maori(New Zealand)
Info: In the 1880s the white settlers on New Zealand forced Maori chiefs to sign the Treaty of Waitangi, which would give all the ruling power in New Zealand to white settlers, when the Maori didnt fully understand the treaty. After the treaty was signed the Maori started to attack white settlers, the Maori also united under one king, the first of which was Te Wherowhero, who lead revolts to the whites on New Zealand. Today Te Wherowhero's decendents still rule as monarchs of the maori people.




Here is his picture, but with a feather in the middle ages and tatoos in the first two ages the Samoan leaderhead that u made as a preview would work perfectly.

name: King Tutankhamun
country: Ancient Egypt
History: (from Wikipedia)Tutankhamun (alternate transcription Tutankhamen), named Tutankhaten early in his life, was Pharaoh of the Eighteenth dynasty of Egypt (Ruled1334 BC/1333 BC - 1323 BC, lived c.1341 BC-1323 BC), during the period known as the New Kingdom.

Tutankamun's parentage is uncertain. An inscription calls him a king's son, but it is debated which king was meant. Most scholars consider that he was probably a son either of Amenhotep III (though probably not by his Great Royal Wife Tiye), or of Amenhotep III's son Amenhotep IV (better known as Akhenaten), perhaps with his enigmatic second queen, Kiya. It should be noted that when Tutankhaten succeeded Akhenaten to the throne, Amenhotep III had been dead for some time; the duration is thought by some Egyptologists to have been seventeen years, although on this, as on so many questions about the Amarna period, there is no scholarly consensus. Tutankhamun ruled Egypt for eight to ten years; examinations of his mummy show that he was a young adult when he died. Again, there is no consensus among Egyptologists as to his age when he died; estimates range from sixteen to his mid-twenties. Were he seventeen to nineteen years old when he died (the most common estimates are in this range), that would place his birth around 1342 BC-1340 BC, and would make it less likely that Amenhotep III was his father.

During Tutankhamun's reign, Akhenaten's Amarna revolution (Atenism) began to be reversed. Akhenaten had attempted to supplant the existing priesthood and gods with a god who was until then considered minor, Aten. In year 3 of Tutankhamun's reign (1331 BC), when he was still a boy of about 11 and probably under the influence of two older advisors (notably Akhenaten's vizier Ay), the ban on the old pantheon of gods and their temples was lifted, the traditional privileges restored to their priesthoods, and the capital moved back to Thebes. The young pharaoh also adopted the name Tutankhamun, changing it from his birth name Tutankhaten. Because of his age at the time these decisions were made, it is generally thought that most if not all the responsibility for them falls on his vizier Ay and perhaps other advisors.

Tutankhamun was married to Ankhesenpaaten, a daughter of Akhenaten. Ankhesenpaaten also changed her name from the -aten endings to the -amun ending, becoming Ankhesenamun. They had two known children, both stillborn - their mummies were discovered in his tomb.

Well... I'll have to reveal this...

I'm already working on this man... I'm going to release some preview pictures of him soon, perhaps this weekend, very probably along with some more previews of LHs I'm working on now, and the very probable release of Roosevelt, and with a bit of luck, Franco

Awesome!!!! :)
Thanks for taking my request...

Awesome!!!! :)
Thanks for taking my request...

No problem. After all, not only was your request cool enough not to ignore it, but it was also quite easy to be done (except for a couple of details... but you'll judge it in a couple of days)

there 100s of civs out with no leader
Africa, Asia, the Americas, even Europe
doesnt any body have any more requests? +_+

Serbia: Stefan Dusan
Bulgaria: Tzar Samuel
Albania: Georgi Kastrioti

etc etc etc

who who who? +_+
pics and info please

i am not requesting them to be made :)

you can easily find pics if you want to though, paintings that is. they are leaders of the period 11th century-15th century

who who who? +_+
pics and info please

look here and follow the links (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2765228&postcount=29)

Top Gun requests
name:Tsar Stevan Dušan
country: Serbia
In order to populate the Balkans in my mod, I would like to introduce the Serbs. Apparently invited by the Byzantines to settle and fortify the northwest border regions in the Balkans, they soon became an independent nation in their own right. Under Stevan Dušan (mid 14th century), the Serb Empire covered most of the Balkans and even claimed suzerainty over Byzantium. With his death, a rapid decline began which culminated in the defeat of the Serbs at the hands of the Ottoman turks only a few decades later. Occupied by the Ottomans but never losing their spirit, Serbia re-emerged as an independent nation in the 19th century and has dominated the Balkans ever since.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=68051&stc=1

and
name: Khan Boris
country: Bulgaria
ruler of one of the oldest slavic cultures in Europe
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=66385&stc=1

Another choice for the serbs would be prince Lazar, he was the one who fought the turks in the battle of Kossovo.
Btw the term 'balcans' today is used bery loosely in media, and by them it means the region of yugoslavia (serbia, montenegro, croatia, bosnia and sometimes also slovenia) but historically the balcans also contain bulgaria, greece, the european part of turkey and albania. Finally Romania and Moldavia ussually are also added to the region, at least in the regional co-operation organizations.

I second the request for Dowager Empress Tzu Hsi. Or the notorious Empress Wu.

If you intend on adding leaderheads for island nations, then you can also include Chief Qipuha and King Kamehameha. Chief Qipuha was the chief of the Chamorro peoples (the indigenous peoples of the Marianas Islands) of Guam. King Kamehameha unitied the Hawaiian islands. He was also a fairly big guy, literally (around 6'8" in height :) ).

I second the request for Dowager Empress Tzu Hsi. Or the notorious Empress Wu.

Empress Wu is "notorious" only for having the audacity to take power in a male-dominated world. ;) Dowager Empress Cixi on the other hand was more of a roadblock than a real capable administrator.

bump keep the requests coming

I vote for KingArthur's request :p (Hannibal Smith

Haha, will I was watching history channel than it occured to me, there should be some leader that's not all political, maybe some leaderhad of some soldiers

So I also think that a leader head of Dick Winter, mostly known form Band of Brother Series, however it's also a REAL soldier, he actually fought in WWII so he's not fake



here's a link of some picture from yahoo basically a picture search cuz I have no idea of how to attach the pictures

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=Dick+Winters&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t&fl=0&x=wrt

I 'third' the request for Dowager Empress Tzu Hsi. Or the notorious Empress Wu. :)

I second the request for the Maori LH, since we already have the Aboriginees, we might as well have the Maori as well so that we can have a good ol' fashioned Down Under scenario. :D

I believe Rita Poon was working on that, pity he never finished it. Oh well. Good request HT.. ;)

I would like to request a new French LH.

name:LouisXIV and Napoleon(Louis in the middle ages and napoleon in the industreal)
country:France
info:i shouldn't have to say
reason: what was civ3 smoking when they decided to put Joan d'Arch in for France,Louis and Napoleon are the greatest Frence leaders


You could base Louis off of the civ4 Louis, with the same type of clothes and the same background of versailles.

I know what happen to STALIN, who cares about Catherina when we've got Uncle Joe , Stalin was way better haha

Ya, civ3 has some pretty bad leader choices

Shiro, with the female Chinese Empress, if u havent already thought of it, have Empress Wu in the middle ages and Empress Tzu Hsi in the industrial age and make the pcx for both eras.

well I wanted to make a young chinese empress, most people wouldnt reconize tzu hsi as a young woman would they?

There were some TV drama series done on Empress Wu. These are some of the portrayals of her:

http://www.chinapage.org/biography/wuzetian.jpg

http://www.chinesetapes.com/tv_drama/images/empress_wu_zetian.jpg

I'd say Wu Zetian is a much better candidate as leader of the Chinese. Some consider her ruthless and a usurper of the throne, but she was also a remarkable administrator. Many modern historians, particularly conservative \Chinese historians, still cast her in a negative light since she had the audacity to challenge a male-dominated world and "step out of the box". While she was highly suspicious of the nobility and the court (she had her own 'secret police' to keep the aristocrats in check ;) ), she had an extremely efficient bureacracy. Empress Wu appointed the most capable of administrators and did listen to her critics from time to time. Of course, in her later years, she became a bit of a paranoid super dictator (even more than she was initially), but the Empire also prospered significantly under her reign.

I wouldn't trust Wikipedia on this one entirely since its article about Empress Wu is relatively one-sided. ;)

But if you're going to make Dowager Empress Cixi, her imperial title was "Empress Xiaoqin Xian". Her full title is a lot longer (about 4 times as long :p ), but I'm not going to bother putting the whole thing down. :p "Cixi Tai-hou" is simply the title we commonly know her by.

Well i think as long as you had the same types of clothes as tzu hsi and a background to fit her you could pull it off, having a younger empress as tzu hsi.Besides Tzu Hsi was a young women once wast she.

But wat ever you want to do shiro, it would be your leaderhead.

Tzu Hsi actually dominated the Chinese government from a young age so the younger age wouldn't be inappropriate, it would just represent the early part of her 'career' in the 1860's or so (when she was in her early 20's)!

Shiro I would say that, I mean they got older and when they do ....OMG it's ....old....


Oh yeah here is some info for Lt. Dick Winters

He's soldier of E-company of 101st Airborne and thorughtout the war he was promted to Battallion commander.
At Normandy he led 12 soldiers to flank the Brecourt and took out 4 105mm artillery aimed at Utah Beach and some a entire map of the defence of Utah.

At marker garden, he led his company to eliminate a whole company while suffering like one death and 2 wounded (not sure somethng close though)

At Bulge, he led Easy company defend Bastonge and direct the soldiers taking town of Foy.
and He's a greay leader like by his men and he was on History Channel and as well as the main characters of Band of Brothers
no body can compare that he;s my hero!!!!

btw Both Chinese Empress are a LONG TIME apart almost a thousand years LOL and both of them aren't exactly NICE so yeah... hahaha

Okay. I have SEVERAL Relatively Modern (1800s to Present) Requests

Italy- King Victor Emmanuel II
Picture (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3b/VictorEm.JPGhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3b/VictorEm.JPG)
Italian King who unified the whole Italian Peninsula under his rule in 1861.

France- General Charles de Gaulle
Picture (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/F_ww2_DeGaulle.jpg)
French General who lead the Free French forces against the Germans and the Vichy French in World War II. Leader became the leader of the French Republic.

Israel- Prime Minister Golda Mier
Picture (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/26/Goldmeir_at_whitehouse.jpg)
Fourth Prime minister of Israel and the first woman to hold the post. A strong leader who lead her country through the Yom Kippur war. Also, she has a huge nose.

Iran- Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini
Picture (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5e/Khomeini.jpg)

More Commonly known as Ayatollah Khomeini or the Ayatollah. Lead the 1979 Islamic Revolution against the Shah in Iran. Among other things he held Fifty-Two american Embasy workers Hostage from 1979 to 1981, lead the fight against Saddam and Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war, and enacted strict Shia Muslim rule. He was revered and worshpped by his people.

Iraq- President Saddam Hussien

Picture (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/56/Saddam_Hussein_%28107%29.jpg)

Authoritarian head of Iraq and the Ba'ath party from 1979 to 2003. He launched an eight year war agianst Iran, developed an all pervasive Cult of Personality, invaded Kuwait and was driven back by a U.N. Colaition in 1991, and ruled a brutal goverment which favored the Sunni Muslim Minority. He was ousted in 2003 by an American lead assualt and is currently awaiting trial in Iraq.

Suadi Arabia- Sultan Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud

Picture (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b6/Ibnsaud.jpg)

More commonly known as Sultan Ibn Suad. First Monarch of Saudi Arabia. As head of the House of Suad he united the areas known as Nejd and Hejaz and renaoimed them Suadia Arabia with the support of the British. Also, he has a big nose.

Egypt- President Anwar Sadat
Picture (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5b/Sadat2.jpg)

President of Egypt from 1970 to his assasination by mebers of the Egyptain Islamic Jihad.
Wikipedia Sez:
'Sadat was born in Mit Abu al-Kum, al-Minufiyah, Egypt, one of 13 brothers and sisters. He graduated from the Royal Military Academy in Cairo and joined the Free Officers Movement, committed to freeing Egypt from British control.
During World War II he was imprisoned by the British for his efforts to obtain help from the Axis Powers in expelling occupying British forces. He participated in the 1952 coup which dethroned King Farouk I. In 1969, after holding many positions in the Egyptian government, he was chosen to be Vice-President by President Gamal Abdal Nasser. When Nasser died the following year, Sadat became President. In 1973, Sadat, together with Syria, led Egypt into the Yom Kippur War with Israel, trying to reclaim parts of the Sinai Peninsula, which had been conquered by Israel during the Six-Day War. While Israel eventually prevailed in this conflict, Sadat's initial victories managed to restore the Egyptian morale, laying the ground for a peace settlement several years later. For many years after, Sadat was known as the "hero of the Crossing". On November 19, 1977 Sadat became the first Arab leader to officially visit Israel when he met with Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin and spoke before the Knesset in Jerusalem. He made the visit after receiving an invitation from Begin and he sought a permanent peace settlement (much of the Arab world was outraged by the visit). In 1978, this resulted in the Camp David Peace Agreement, for which Sadat and Begin received the Nobel Peace Prize. However, the action was extremely unpopular in the Arab and Muslim World. Many believed that only a threat of force would make Israel negotiate over the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and the Camp David accords removed the possibility of Egypt, the major Arab military power, from providing such a threat. As part of the peace deal, Israel withdrew from the Sinai peninsula in phases, returning the entire area to Egypt by 1983.'

I have more but I'm done typing

I second Sadat, Hussein and Khomeini, inspired by Goldflash ;)

I voted again for Charles De Gaulle.


The histroy textbook is EVIL, they never teach us the truth!!!!!
Just as thought


If I ever need help on policital leaser, I'll just go over here muwahahahahaha...
(My point?? cough Military..coughcough leaders...coughcough more..) :eek:

Jorde is already working on Charles De Gaulle.

oooooo I found a post about Major Winters >_< yayayaa

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Winters

A Reminder:
Wednesday is the last day to request a leaderhead!

I'd like to remove my request for the chaos dwarf leaderhead - I asked someone else, and he agreed :)

day is the last day

So when are you going to do the election, and which requests will be voted on?

Other Goldflashian requests, Though Late-

Speaking of late soon I will be late for work, can anyone else provide pictures and info on these guys?

Idi Amen of Uganda,
Murramar Al-Quaddaffi of Libya,
Santa Anna of Mexico,
Surharto of Indonesia.

Ans one I'm sure nobody has ever heard of:
Empress Mei of Korea. A Long name is Myeongseong of Joseon
The last ruler of a Free and United Korea. She was fiercely independent and a good stateswoman and diplomat. However, she was assisnated in 189X by the Japanese.

EDIT: AW CRAP! Its over! Nevermind. POUTAGE.

let the voting start
these are based off my personal interest, board attention, plans I already made, and pitty that some are very old requests
1.Empress Wu Ze-tian (China)
2.Basileios II (Byzantine)
3.Queen Dido (Phonicia)
4.Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (Turks/Ottoman)
5.King Sejong (Korea)
6.Gou Jian (Yue)
7.King Te Wherowhero (Mori)
8.Tsar Stevan Dušan (Sebria)
9.LouisXIV/Napoleon (France)

you get 2 votes, you could either vote for 2 heads or use 2 votes for one head.
voting ends Sat morning

(Assuming we're voting here) 2 votes for Empress Wu Ze-tian!

One vote for Empress Wu, one vote for King Sejong.

EAST ASIA RULES! YA!

Im not sure if you need Empress Mei for a scenerio or something, but you may be able to use Wu as her

2x Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

1 for Empress Wu and 1 for King Sejong.

By the way, Gou Jian is ruler of "Yue" not Wei. ;)

I vote twice for Basileios :borg: :D

1 vote for Empress Wu

1 vote for Louis/Napoleon

two votes for Car Dušan, although Civ army is doing Vožd Karađorđe leaderhead

Here are the total votes so far.(i will update this when new votes come in)

Empress Wu of China: 7
Emperor Basileios II of Byzantine: 0
Queen Dido of Phonicia: 0
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk of Ottoman Turcky: 7
King Sejong of Korea: 2
Gou Jian of Yue or Wei: 0
King Wherowhero of Maori: 1
Tsar Stevan Dušan of Serbia: 10
King Louis XIV/ Emperor Napoleon of France: 1


Get your last minute votes in!!

SK,are you still making the Hannibal Smith leader head ?

There are several on the list I would love to vote for. If I could I'd had out 1/2 and 1/4 votes to some.i
If I can only vote for two

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (Turks/Ottoman)
LouisXIV/Napoleon (France)

if you I could add only 1 more (and I would love to add more then 1 more) I would add Queen Dido (Phonicia)

Ya, I agree with Bjornlo,

I wanted to vote for Louis/Napoleon, Empress Wu, King Te Wherowhero and Queen Dido. But I had to make a hard dicision on the two I voted for.

emperorcharles1, thank you for updating the stats for me

Your welcome, its the least I can do for someone who is taking requests for a leaderhead.

1 vote for Emperess Wu

1 for King Te WheroWhero

tomorrow is the last day to vote

right now it looks like a definate Wu and maybe a secound place Atatürk

I vote for Stevan Dushan

And I Vote For Tsar Stevan Dusan Of Serbia


Pozdrav Braci Srbima Civ Fanaticima

Well, its almost over here are the standings

1st-Tsar Stevan Dušan of Serbia- - - - - - - - - - 10 votes
2nd-Mustafa Kemal Atatürk of Ottoman Turcky- - - 7 votes
3rd-Empress Wu of China- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -7 votes
4th-King Sejong of Korea- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2 votes
5th-King Louis XIV/ Emperor Napoleon of France- - -1 votes
6th-King Wherowhero of Maori- - - - - - - - - - - - - 1 vote
7th-Queen Dido of Phonicia- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -0 vote
8th-Emperor Basileios II of Byzantine- - - - - - - - - -0 votes
9th-Gou Jian of Yue or Wei- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0 votes

Two more votes for:

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk of Ottoman Turcky

EDIT; didn't know you got cast 2 votes on the same guy

2x Mustafa Attaturk

emperorcharles1
there are 6 votes for Stevan Dušan, Rade, TopGun69 and becca all used double votes for one person

Atatürk is on the list twice?
right now its looking like Atatürk, Wu, or Dušan

whats the unofficial vote?

by the way if you want to change your vote, say it in another post. if you just change it, I may not see it. the polls end tonight at 12am/midnight USA pacific time

whats the unofficial vote?
My guess'd be Smith, Hannibal.... :lol:

this
7th-King Wherowhero of Maori- - - - - - - - - - - - - -1 vote(1 extra unofficial vote)
8th-Queen Dido of Phonicia- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0 votes(2 unofficial votes)

I did that to break ties , when people said i would vote for King A but i dont have enough votes. It dosent really matter though

ah
well if there is a tie, you can pick the winner, for making the stats even though you werent asked ^ ^

ok, thanks I will edit the standings one last time tonite, so if people vote and the standings dont change, they will(i will be unable to get to my computer until tonite)

I change my vote to dusan, since only i voted for basil II :shakehead :)

both votes or one?

Two votes for Car Stefan Dušan of Serbia.

I change my vote for louis/napoleon to empress wu. Here are the stats:


1st-Empress Wu of China- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -11 votes
2nd-Tsar Stevan Dušan of Serbia- - - - - - - - - - 10 votes
3rd-Mustafa Kemal Atatürk of Ottoman Turcky- - - 8 votes
4th-King Sejong of Korea- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2 votes
5th-King Te Wherowhero of Maori- - - - - - - - - - -1 vote
6th-King Louis XIV/ Emperor Napoleon of France- - -0 votes
7th-Queen Dido of Phonicia- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -0 votes
8th-Emperor Basileios II of Byzantine- - - - - - - - - -0 votes
9th-Gou Jian of Yue or Wei- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0 votes

Why it's written Tsar Stevan Dušan of Serbia,it should be "Car Dušan of Serbia",it would be nice if you corect that.

Why it's written Tsar Stevan Dušan of Serbia,it should be "Car Dušan of Serbia",it would be nice if you corect that.
Which translates as Arch Duke, not Tsar, correct?

Hey SK,you forgot to tell, that are you still doing the Hannibal Smith leader head

Which translates as Arch Duke, not Tsar, correct?
Car is Serbian word for tsar or emperor.

Yes, both my votes ;)

In order to make my votes count for something. I would like to withdraw my vote for Napolean (which would have been cool) and place it on Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.

well like last time the people choose 2 heads and then I choose one I want to do, right now I am leaning on Wherowhero or Louis XIV/Napoleon, I might just do both.
As for Smith, I probably will, if I do it will be a one era, with no PCX. but do you really need a FLC? If the Human player is smith or there is only 2 civs that are at war. really you just need one still picture

i liked "the people" part. tou have autocratic mentality :p :)

I join just to vote, 2 votes for empress wu

well like last time the people choose 2 heads and then I choose one I want to do, right now I am leaning on Wherowhero or Louis XIV/Napoleon, I might just do both.
As for Smith, I probably will, if I do it will be a one era, with no PCX. but do you really need a FLC? If the Human player is smith or there is only 2 civs that are at war. really you just need one still picture

You should ask KingArthur,cause I can't decide without him..But I think that It would be better if it would be a flic

but if your that civ or you are at war with it, you dont need it

Hmmm....I don't think we need another Napolian, since I think R8XFT's work does the job nicely, and since my request isn't on the list(Tut), I think I'll vote twice for the Empress. We need more female Asian leaders...

less than 30 min until the polls close

but if your that civ or you are at war with it, you dont need it

If you're the Survivors or the Zombies, yuo're right. But the Company and the Authorities are not at locked war with the Survivors (only the Zombies are). And my impression is that people plays as any of the four factions as much as the others, so we'll need a flc for 50% of our games...

Its over. Here are the winners


1st-Empress Wu of China- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -11 votes
2nd-Tsar Stevan Dušan of Serbia- - - - - - - - - - 10 votes
3rd-Mustafa Kemal Atatürk of Ottoman Turcky- - - 8 votes
4th-King Sejong of Korea- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2 votes
5th-King Te Wherowhero of Maori- - - - - - - - - - -1 vote
6th-King Louis XIV/ Emperor Napoleon of France- - -0 votes
7th-Queen Dido of Phonicia- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -0 votes
8th-Emperor Basileios II of Byzantine- - - - - - - - - -0 votes
9th-Gou Jian of Yue or Wei- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 0 votes

Seems like my vote tiped the scales...and who says your vote doesn't count?

ideas for Wu and Dusan in ancient, med, indust, and modern will now be accepted...please give me ideas >,.<

My ideas for Wu

-anciet time-i dont no about what she would wear, but maybe a traditional chinese village for the background.

-middle ages-she should wear what she wears in all the pictures of her, or from the tv series. The background should be the greatwall of china, a religious temple(tower) or a chinese palace from the middle ages.

-industreal age-wear the types of clothes that empress cixi wore, with the forbidin palace in the background(a background similar to the industreal one with mao)

-modern times-maybe a modern dress or bussiness suit made of chinese silk, background could be the modern shanghai skyline. The skline looks very modern. :)

For Wu? Heres a good modern Idea. Make her look like Soong May-ling, also known as Madame Chaing Kai-shek! Madame Chaing was as infulentual as her husband, espcially in the United States.

Here, I'll get you a picture.

Clicky (http://www.nndb.com/people/978/000086720/madame-cks.jpg)

here you can find images of Car Dusan and some other Serbian rulers:
http://www.teslasociety.com/serbia.htm

oh my gosh! this whole time I was miss reading Serbia for Siberia! hahaha

you're not the only one who thinks that Serbia is Siberia :lol:

no no, I just misread the frist time it was requested, so I assumed that it was siberia the rest of the time ^ ^;;

For Wu? Heres a good modern Idea. Make her look like Soong May-ling, also known as Madame Chaing Kai-shek! Madame Chaing was as infulentual as her husband, espcially in the United States.

Here, I'll get you a picture.

Clicky (http://www.nndb.com/people/978/000086720/madame-cks.jpg)

There was also a fairly recent TV drama series on Empress Wu Ze-tian. If you Google "Empress Wu", you'll come up with several advertisement posters for it like this one:
http://www.bestchinashop.com/tv_drama/images/empress_wu_zetian.jpg

Odegi what should she wear in ancient era?

Maybe something like this. This is a picture of the dress style of Han Dynasty nobility:

http://cainiliu.nease.net/image/mwd%20(9).jpg

If this is too ornate, you can remove the jewel tiara and make the robes look a little plainer. But compared to the attire of Empresses and princesses of later dynasties, this is extremely modest. ;)

The Ancient Background should be this: The Qin Palace.

http://rulerofallmen.com/gallery/albums/china/emperor_qin_palace.jpg

here are some of my ideas for backgrounds, theres alot of them!:

modern shanghai
http://www.stanford.edu/~wgupta/images/china%20-%20shanghai.jpg

ancient village
http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Minorities/min-Shui-village.jpg

middle aged village
http://www.orchardgallery.com.sg/Sfgvill250.jpg

ancient village
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/images/photogallery/0018500/miao%20chinese%20minorities%2010018145t.jpg

modern beijing
http://www.mybeijingchina.com/picture/images/img_forbidden_city/indexpic/PC017-04.jpg

industreal forbiden palacehttp://www.asiatravel.com/china/tours/beijing/gifs/forbidden4.jpg

middle aged palace
http://www.kayaker.net/china02/img_0028.jpg

forbiden palace(palace image only)
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/SG23P-780AD-FP.jpg

Shiro, i dont no if you animate your own backgrounds like civ3 does, or if you use real pictures for the background, but if you animate your own the forbidin palace with industreal smoke stacks behind it would represent the idustreal age very well.

I could just use the wonder splash of the forbidin palace

I dont no if it's possible, but you could also use the Li Shi Min modern background(also animated). For the Acient background you could use the great wall image from civ3. I dont no for middle ages though.

http://www.civ3.com.br/portal/modules/tinycontent/images/maravilhas/grande_greatwall.jpg

what do you think so far?

I think it looks great. :goodjob:

Stunning work so far!

I need a better background
the light on her face and the light on the background conflict
does anyone see any problems with the face or clothing

The only problem I have is the eyes. It's a bit too slanted.

what about skine tone?

It could be a little darker, but not too dark.

Is it just the preview, or is her skin a little 'blotchy'?

Just darken a little bit the lights, make her eyes a bit less slant and make the jewels on her face look less yellow (and more golden, with a combination of Specular and Diffuse colours change), and it'll look great. However, it already looks awesome so far

this isnt final, but here is a preview
it took me an hour to try to get a ok smile from this face ... -_- so it probably wont be improved

It looks better with the less-cherry red lips.

I know this is probably because you dont care yet, but is one of her eyes lopsided? (Her left, our right)

wow!
if I keep this up she could be done by tomorrow

Nice. The background and lighting look good, but that is just me. Keep it up!

wow, she looks great

Very good ... the only thing would be to show more of the top of her head where the beads fringe is coming from ... it looks a little strange with no reference point for this ... apart from that ... Fantastic

well
I get off work early today
so I could finish the other 2 eras if no one has any major problems with my progress so far

Well, the left one's (is that ancient?) collar is a little hard to be distuingishable from itself, due to the color. Other than that, Looking great!

...I think she looks WAY to Masculine. I think you should make her face slender.

Maybe you could add some eyelashes as well.

.... And boobs.... Er... Umm.... Boobs.

*SMACK* Bad Goldflash! You're being a Chauvinst again!

Her face could use some work, and its probobly just me, but i dont like the background for the middle ages too much. But even without changes, its great.

I'd have to agree the current look is too masculine - perhaps change the shape of the face and the coloring of the skin, especially the cheeks?

how about this?

Now that i see a difference, they were right. The cheeks could be a bit rosier.

Thats better

are there any major problems? I cannot do the other era until I know for sure if this will do

The only thing I have to say is again, about her eye.

what about her eye?

Her eyes look crossed. But that is only if I look at the eyes. If I look anywhere else, though, it looks fine. I am probably the only one who sees it.

what do you think of the new skin tone?

This is much better than the previous one, it looks more...not as pale.That has solved the problem of 'makeup' for her, IMO.

modern era

Nice!! The earrings are a nice, subtle touch.

can someone post the forbiden palace splash file?
I dont feel like installing civ 3

He's right about her Eyes looking cross-eyed you know.

I dont mean to be anoying or anything, but i realy hate the modern background(the middle ages one looks great now).

heres a modern background suggestions:



[/IMG]]modern china (http://www.visit-hong-kong.com/hong-kong-skyline.jpg[/URL)

none of those backgrounds will work they are either too small or set on water, or are an aireal shot

Dear Lord! PLEASE make thoes LINKS and not images!

Here how you do it. Use the URL tag: (url) with [ ] instead of ( )

The URL should then be pasted. Then close the tag with a / .

Here is how it would look. Again, use [ ], not ( )

(url)http://www.stuff.com/picture.jpg(/url)

sorry, ill make them links next time

speaking of linking images

thats perfect :) :) thanks for considering to change it

as for Dusan, I will try to do this, however consider my talent, and the actual props and clothing I have
ancient
http://faculty.evansville.edu/rl29/art105/img/byzantine_justiniandet.gif
Medievil
http://www.serbianunity.net/culture/history/Medieval_Ornaments/present/pictures/Car_Dus_Lesnovo.jpeg
Industrial
http://www.teslasociety.com/pictures/serbia19.jpg
and probably just a man in a suit like always for modern

I don't think her eyes look too crossed. And anyway, I think it's ok for them to look a bit like that since many chinese people (or perhaps all asian people) seem to have crossed eyes (or that's what it looks like)

@ ShiroKobbure - the empress looks fantastic ... every era a gem ... the modern is very Shanghai corporate ... well done

She looks hot too :)

hahahaha
well I want to give you something to look at while playing
the other civ3 women arent that good

hahahaha
well I want to give you something to look at while playing
the other civ3 women arent that good

:hmm: What about Theodora? She looks very much like a girl that i had met when i was 18. A few days later i was in crisis though.

She is pretty hot ;) , and she is truley your best work ever Shiro, you have come a long way. I can't wait to see what she looks like in the industrial era also cant wait to see dusan. :worship:

I agree, theodora is hot too.

yeah she is ok, she has a ugly smile and frown though....

Yes, well the smile and frown look similar but its nothing to worry about. She's still wonderful. Mao will never be seen in my game again. By the way, have you decide on which leaderhead you will be doind for your choice after dusan?

well what do you think?

Again brilliant ... like the pearls with industrial girl

Again love modern girl power ... does the hair bun get messier as she gets more frazzled and stressed ... having problems with XP is she? :lol:

Shes great, I really like the industrial era(along with all the other eras.)

Simply amazing! Must be your greatest work ever! Beautiful, nice and useful

I made the back messier, because I say a chinese girl at my work with that hair style and the bun had hair coming out sort of like that so I did it last night ^ ^;;;

I made the back messier, because I say a chinese girl at my work with that hair style and the bun had hair coming out sort of like that so I did it last night ^ ^;;;

Well, though that doesn't look that bad, I think it'd be more appropriate to make it a bit less messy. After all, she is supposed to be a president or something (and she should have professional hairdressers)

I would save the messier hairstyle for the conquered pcx! :)

suggestion for the frown, have her pout more.
suggestion for the smile, have her show some teeth.

she looks horrible when she shows teeth, because of the morphs there is only so many emotions I can do to still make her look "normal" sorry

she looks horrible when she shows teeth, because of the morphs there is only so many emotions I can do to still make her look "normal" sorry
In that case, when she smiles, have her pout less. Smiling tends to thin-out the lips. In the current smile, her lips stay mostly as they are, even when he mouth seems to widen. Maybe her mouth can open slightly and not show teeth?

Also consider having her eyes close slightly as she smiles.

well I have some bad news, for my fans
I will be going back to Japan for 2 months to try and earn money for my college and everything
my parents have a PC but it has many problems
my sister has a laptop but it is over 3 years old....
however I will bring my Poser 6 CD and all my old clothing and props
so I might be able to get some stuff done there.
but I want to try to finish and upload atleast Wu and Dusan by the 22nd!
I will probably get started on Dusan after I take my nap ^ ^;;;;
also era 4 of Wu is being rendered now I will post the final versions of all her eras when I wake up thank you so much for your support!
and I hope when I come back you are all still playing and modding Civ 3 and not shifting all your attention to civ 4!

I sure ain't thinking about bloody Civ4.

I take it the deadline for this lottery has passed? I just got my scanner up and running... :(

yep they even finish voting already too bad :(

^ ^;;
I will do it agian
but next time it will probably have a theme
like lost civilizations or ancient civilizations or something

here is ancient Dusan, it is based off Justinian I, but I think it needs somthing....

A nosering? haha JK

^ ^;;
I will do it agian
but next time it will probably have a theme
like lost civilizations or ancient civilizations or something

here is ancient Dusan, it is based off Justinian I, but I think it needs somthing....Cool, am looking forward to that.

Maybe for the Dusan guy, some ornamentation on his tunic? And, maybe some more pizzazz on the red-flower-brooch thing?

well what do you think?

His skin tone seems too dark. His eyebrows seem too tell defined. His lower lip is too large.
The bushy hair is an interesting touch.
All in all, he seems a bit too much an african for a Serbian.

i dont know if I like the background
does anyone have a better one? or an idea for one?
and the other eras

im thinking about these for the background for ancient
1
http://www.fellowshipofjames.com/gallery/040701_NYLF/image/nylf_030.jpg
2
http://www.culture.gr/2/21/215/21505/215051/2150513/00/lb119g2.jpg
3
http://www.bestofsicily.com/mag/art142c.gif
4
http://daphne.palomar.edu/mhudelson/WorksofArt/08EC_Byzantine/1646.jpg
or 5
http://www.mtmercy.edu/classes/ar212/Byzantine/images/EmperorJustinian.jpg

Shiro I think the Dusan looks very nice, but that crown has been used in so many leaderheads now (by many different leaderhead makers), it's getting annoying.

The first background in the "new" list, is breathtaking!
I'd say the same about the 4th, if I hadn't just looked at the first.
I'd say either of these two would be VERY nice, and a cool improvement.

Regarding background, the middle inside the temple is great

Here are some backgrounds you could use:
http://www.pbase.com/vmarinkovic/belgrade
http://www.pbase.com/alangrant/serbiamontenegro2004
http://www.serbia-tourism.org/srpski/main.php?naziv=Culture&dat=kultura_e&poc=uvo
I'd recommend some of the monasteries as background for medieval (Zica, Gracanica, Studenica, Mileseva...), and some of the Belgrade backgrounds for modern and industrial (Kalemegdan fortress, Pobednik sculpture, Federal Parliament, St Sava temple, St Marko church).
Zica:
http://www.serbia-tourism.org/srpski/kultura/img/zic_01.jpg
Pobednik:
http://www.seemar.org.yu/seemar04/images/bg/pobednik.jpg
St Sava Temple:
http://mk23.image.pbase.com/u8/vmarinkovic/large/32840287.r4.jpg

I cant get the thing on his sholder to look right...

Try copper or brass colour for the broach and maybe a roughish beaten copper disc with red/blue/green gem and design inscribed on the disc

I think he looked really good without the red-brooch thingy altogether.

He super doens't look African! Lots of Eastern Europeans have darker skin like that anyway, my Dad for example. Looks awesome (although I think I preferred the original background to the mosaic-icon one you've got now).

I think it looks alright without the red brooch. And perhaps, if you want to change a bit that crown, you could add some more white balls on it. It's a shame that's the only good crown available to download :(

jorde do you have any roman-greek style clothing?

well while I am waiting for some great clothing for ancient, I did the expressions, and I suppose I can get started on the other eras

how about this?

here is Dusan so far
dont have any crowns or clothing yet...
but here you see him go from Justinian I to tzar Dusan

well
I cant find a good crown
so how about this

I might be able to model something like this:
http://homepage.mac.com/crowns/yu/yucor.gif
just give me some time till tomorrow.
btw. it's the crown of Karadjordjevic dynasty.
If you want use interiors for backgrounds you could use something like this
White Court
http://www.danievropskebastine.org.yu/slike/Fotografije/Beli-dvor-ent.jpg
Old Court (Obrenovic dynasty palace)
http://www.beograd.org.yu/g/images/svecanasala.jpg
http://www.beograd.org.yu/g/images/xixsalon.jpg
http://www.beograd.org.yu/g/images/crvenisalon.jpg
http://www.beograd.org.yu/g/images/zutisalon.jpg
I'll see if I can find larger images.

can you make models?
I would really like that crown
and if you could also something for him to wear, I really dont like what he has on now, but there is nothing better for now...

industrial era

Here’s what I've done so far:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/maliRadojica/crown.jpg
the rest of it should be easy except for those eagles.
I can do only crown,
as for industrial era if I'm right that’s catholic cathedral in Novi Sad, only problem is that the Serbs are orthodox christians.

still waiting on the crown,
not sure if I like the backgrounds, I really need one for last era

I didnt know it was catholic, I thought eastern europe didnt have any catholic churches only islamic, jewish and russian or greek orthodox
well tell me some better ideas and I will search for them ^ ^
do you like how he looks in modern era?

I think that the background for the modern era should be infront of the parliament in Belgrade.
The model looks very nice :D

Don't worry Shiro, I will be in Civ3 land well after Civ4 comes out, I have heard many bad things about it that I don't like.

well
it is basically done. I just need the crown. should he also have that cross thing he holds for medievil?

Someone should make a serb unique unit "black knight". It was mentioned in a history book i had read, the serbian knights with all-black armour were used also as merceneries by the ottoman overlords.

I'm not sure I heard of black knights, alto Serbian UU knight unit should be called Vitez ( Витез ) Serbian word for knight and could have stealth attack, remember Milos Obilic who killed Turkish Sultan Murat in Kosovo battle.

someone requested a maori head right?
need ideas for medievil, industrial and modern

Yes I requested the maori leaderhead. That looks great. Here are my ideas.


middle ages (http://www.treatyofwaitangi.govt.nz/images/keypeople/PUBL-0014-44.jpg) should include feather like in industrial


industrial (http://www.treatyofwaitangi.govt.nz/images/timeline/1-2-050875.jpg)

for industrial i dont no if I would include the tatoos, but what ever you want to do.

industrial background(christchurch cathedral (http://www.richard-seaman.com/Wallpaper/NewZealand/Cities/ChristchurchCathedral.jpg)

for modern, no feather or tatoos, him in a suit with maybe the background being Auckland.

modern background (http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/~tbutler/trips/NZ-2002Feb/auk-photos/Auckland%20-%20downtown.jpg)

I dont think Dusan needs the cross thing in the middle ages. Great Job :goodjob:

Someone should make a serb unique unit "black knight". It was mentioned in a history book i had read, the serbian knights with all-black armour were used also as merceneries by the ottoman overlords.

There was a colour conversion done of the ordinary Knight some time ago by Yaniv: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=24947

ON TOPIC: I really like the Maori-head as it is, I believe he should keep his tatoos throughout history, perhpas they would have haven't Europeans interferred... Perhaps just tone down the tatoos a bit for industrial and modern.

ohh that was a feather? I thought it was his hair or something

That would be really wierd hair if the feather were hair. Here is a better picture to base your leaderhead on in the middle ages. Here are also some middle ages background suggestions.

middles ages (http://www.aucklandartgallery.govt.nz/aboutus/history/images/GottfriedLindauer.jpg)

middle ages background1 (http://www.delange.org/Hawaii1/H51.jpg)

middle ages background 2 (http://www.vc-net.ne.jp/~furukawa/imgp283r.jpg)

Maori ... should be more bulky ... that guy looks like he has been on a forced diet ... every Moari I've ever seen looks like someone you wouldn't want to mess with ... look up the "All Black" rugby players ... apart from that the tatooing looks ok ... however I'm not a kiwi, only Aussie :)

http://www.treatyofwaitangi.govt.nz/images/timeline/1-2-050875.jpg
he doesnt look to big
or him
http://starbulletin.com/97/04/07/editorial/maori.gif
http://www.parklandpublishing.com/internat/nznorth/maori.jpg
I belive that is just a sterotype, and the fact that they are eating more western foods that were not part of their old diet. Many Asians who come to America gain alot of weight.
I could be wrong, but however not all Maori are huge bulky people

Hmmm ... what am I reacting to then? ... maybe the neck is too long ... nose not flattered enough ... IMO the Maori shape would be the last guy in the picture of three ... the one in front is way too skinny ... have a compact muscley body, usually smaller in height than average (<1.6m) ... not as beefy as a polynesian ... I will talk to some kiwi mates on Wednesday ... most of the guys that I have known have been tough fishermen

hmm it is sopposed to be the first guy, but let me see what I can do.

well? what do you think medievil and modern

hows that crown coming along?

I like the neck thickness

Just wondering if the tatooing lines are a bit to thick ... if you have ever watched startrek voyager ... one character had tatooing over one eye ... that thickness ... but for graphics purposes enough so lines are seen ...

Also skin a bit to dark ... more golden tint

But again I have to say that this LH is not one requested by me nor am I a New Zealander

I would definitely say the nose needs to be wider - almost like an African nose - and the hair should be blacker. Good stuff otherwise.

By the way, I'm not sure that putting him in front of Christchurch cathedral for Industrial times, as someone suggested, would make much sense - that's in the South Island and the Maori mostly lived in the North. Of course, now I'm just being pernickety.

For stone age is there a picture of a tribal longhouse with a tiki (?) - carved wooden totem

He looks really good so far, I like the thicker neck. I only suggested christchurch cathedral because its a famous cathedral all over new zeraland and it would fit in very well with the industrial age. Also I cant think of what else would work with the industrial age. Great work Shiro, can't wait to see the industrial age. :)