Ten questions. Here goes : -

1) This country only becomes independent in 1984.
2) This country, apart fr Japan, was never 'colonized' or controlled by the West. 3) This country has a ruling line purportedly going back to 660 BC.
4) This country is composed of 13 states and 2 Federal territories.
5) This country produced the first armor-plated ship in the world.
6) This country reportedly has the best airport and airline in the world.
7) This country is the largest Christian nation in Asia.
8) This country was known as Dilmun in very ancient times.
9) This country burned its entire naval fleet, its maps and records and turned its back on the world once.
10) This country had been a Soviet satellite since 1922.

Shld be pretty easy. Good luck, folks. :D

1. have to think about that

2. Thailand

3. Japan (?)

4. Malaysia

5. Hmmm, I'll come back to it

6. Singapore (I think that statement is debatable)

7. Phillipines

8. Don't know

9. China

10. Mongolia

Geez, all correct! :goodjob: It must have been TOO easy.

Only 1, 5 and 8 left .....

Q1 is very tricky

I have checked maldives, bangladesh, Bhutan and various other unlikely options like cambodia in case this is a trick question.

One clever guess is Khalistan - the Sikh Nation which declared independence in the mid 80s but I don't think exists.

Another clever answer is Sri Lanka (assumming its a typo and its 1948 not 1984)

5) China (?)

8) Bahrain

Here goes:

1) This country only becomes independent in 1984.

Papau-New Guinea? (From Australia?)

2) This country, apart fr Japan, was never 'colonized' or controlled by the West.

Thailand

3) This country has a ruling line purportedly going back to 660 BC.

Nepal?

4) This country is composed of 13 states and 2 Federal territories.

Russia? (If ya don't count the autonomous oblasts...)

5) This country produced the first armor-plated ship in the world.

Japan

6) This country reportedly has the best airport and airline in the world.

Malaysia

7) This country is the largest Christian nation in Asia.

Australia

8) This country was known as Dilmun in very ancient times.

Bahrain I think, or Qatar

9) This country burned its entire naval fleet, its maps and records and turned its back on the world once.

China

10) This country had been a Soviet satellite since 1922.

Mongolia

Good quiz Knight-Dragon - except for a couple questions, I just went on a guessing spree...

Originally posted by kobayashi
Q1 is very tricky

I have checked maldives, bangladesh, Bhutan and various other unlikely options like cambodia in case this is a trick question.

One clever guess is Khalistan - the Sikh Nation which declared independence in the mid 80s but I don't think exists.

Another clever answer is Sri Lanka (assumming its a typo and its 1948 not 1984) Nope, <shakes head> I am surprised you don't know it, considering that you're Singaporean. :) And nope, it's not a typo. It's 1984 if I remember my long-ago school textbook correctly or whereabouts.

Originally posted by Julien
5) China (?)

8) Bahrain Bahrain is correct. :goodjob: China is not. :) Clue - each question for one country.

1) This country only becomes independent in 1984.

Papau-New Guinea? (From Australia?)Nope. At least not what I am thinking about.

2) This country, apart fr Japan, was never 'colonized' or controlled by the West.

ThailandCorrect!

3) This country has a ruling line purportedly going back to 660 BC.

Nepal?Nope, it's Japan. Andycapp had already gotten it. The Japanese imperial line was purportedly from the lineage of Tenno Jimu (spelling?) who was said to begin his reign in 660 BC. But this is only a legend.

4) This country is composed of 13 states and 2 Federal territories.

Russia? (If ya don't count the autonomous oblasts...)Neh, we Asians never consider Russia to be an Asian country; no matter what comrade Stalin thinks. Correct answer is Msia as had been answered by andycapp.

5) This country produced the first armor-plated ship in the world.

JapanNope.

6) This country reportedly has the best airport and airline in the world.

MalaysiaYou must be joking. I'm fr Msia and even I think our airport and airline are a joke.

7) This country is the largest Christian nation in Asia.

AustraliaWe Asians also never consider Australia to be part of the neighbourhood. It's the Philippines and they got more ppl than Australia. ;) As had been answered by andycapp.

8) This country was known as Dilmun in very ancient times.

Bahrain I think, or QatarBahrain, as answered by Julien.

9) This country burned its entire naval fleet, its maps and records and turned its back on the world once.

ChinaCorrect! Too easy, this one.

10) This country had been a Soviet satellite since 1922.

MongoliaCorrect! Another easy one.

I must set a harder one ...... :crazyeyes Questions remaining - 1 & 5.

The first armored ship?
5) Turkey? Not under that name, maybe the Ottomans?

Originally posted by Sodak
The first armored ship?
5) Turkey? Not under that name, maybe the Ottomans? Nope. And I think Turkey is considered European. Or at least not Asian.

I seem to miss your quizzes when you first post them :(

1. Brunei

Originally posted by Achinz
I seem to miss your quizzes when you first post them :(

1. Brunei Correct! :goodjob: I was about to give the same hint as Vrylakas gave for the Romanian connection in his East European quiz, namely oil. But I think that'll throw off the tracks to the Mid-East.

I have only posted this quiz recently and a lot of ppl probably miss it cos it's so easy so mostly had been answered in a short time.

Question 5 remaining .....

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
Nope, <shakes head> I am surprised you don't know it, considering that you're Singaporean. :) And nope, it's not a typo. It's 1984 if I remember my long-ago school textbook correctly or whereabouts.

Fancy that, and I've been on Lancer twice (and Starlight once).

Oh and before I forget; the answer for 5) is Korea! Yep, the Koreans built the world's first iron-plated ships and used them to harass the Japanese invaders during the late Middle Ages.

I think so anyway. :)

I think 5 is Korea, too. Those Turtle Boats. I remember from playing Age of Conquerors. :)

Originally posted by tetley
I think 5 is Korea, too. Those Turtle Boats. I remember from playing Age of Conquerors. :) Yep, those are the ones. :D

6)It should be Hong Kong,Hong Kong'airports are way cooler than Singapore's and is the best in the world!Cathay Pacific is the best airliner in the world with their nice foods and nice plus pretty air hostess:goodjob:Cathay Pacific has no record of crashing before:goodjob:

Originally posted by Fayadi
6)It should be Hong Kong,Hong Kong'airports are way cooler than Singapore's and is the best in the world!Cathay Pacific is the best airliner in the world with their nice foods and nice plus pretty air hostess:goodjob:Cathay Pacific has no record of crashing before:goodjob: If you'll note my original question, I did say reputedly. :rolleyes: And I'll have to disagree with you about Cathay Pacific being the best airline in the world. At least, cost-wise. Haven't you heard about the problems the airline is having with their pilots regarding compensation?

Apparently Cathay pilots are too well-paid compared with their regional competitors (incl SIA). So the mgmt was trying to cut back their pay. The pilots responded by 'go-slow' activities and mass taking of medical leave, resulting in many grounded or delayed Cathay flights. Some passengers were rerouted using SIA planes even. ;)

Cost-wise and reputation-wise, Cathay can't compare with SIA. Due to 911 which severely hit airliners' bottomlines, the mgmt of SIA began by cutting their own pay by up to 20% IIRC. You don't see that happening anywhere else. That's how aggresive SIA is with cost control esp during bad times.

I don't even think I want to go into comparing HK's new airport with Spore's Changi airport ....

This should be called the south east Asia quiz. You only putted one country not from that area.
Also, I believe Nepal was never taken over.

Russia and Turkey might not be considered Asian by you, but I'm just as asian as you are and i do consider them a part of this continent. People always forget the Asia is much larger then Japan, China and the countries around them.

Borderline between Europe and Asia is doubtful, of course, because that borderline splits couple of countries to two parts. Most of the surface of Russia is located in Asia, but the most of the people are living in the west side of Ural. And their culture can't be considered Asian, the Russians didn't start their expansion from Siberia. Many West Europeans think Russia is in Asia. That must be partly because of the communist era which made the difference between Western Europe and Russia bigger. The attitude of Russians themselves is little bit confused. They don't feel themselves to be like the Chinese, but they don't want to be too European neither. Russia could well be its own continent, because it's so large. Good word to describe Russia is Eurasian.

Israel is another difficult matter. Many of the Israeli arrived in Israel after the World War II from Europe. Of course there were some jewish people in Palestine also before that. But Israel is taking part to the competitions of UEFA in football and to the Eurovision Song Contest. And if you ask the Syrians and the Jordanians do they want Israel to join for example the football federation of Asia, I think they wouldn't like that.

I think Turkey is an Asian country. Their religion is islam. However the Ottomans conquered large areas in Europe, it can't make them Europeans. The reforms of Mustafa Kemal after the World War I made Turkey more European. They adopted the represential democracy, though there are many lacks in Turkish democracy, and they adopted the Latin alphabets. But I think their culture has an Asian origin.

Asia can well be considered an artificial continent. The Mediterranean sea has caused that the MIddle East has always had much stronger relations to Europe than to the East. The Mediterranean sea has a same role in Northern Africa. Northern Africa is more Mediterranean than African. The deserts of Central Asia aparts Asia to two parts. Their cultures are much different, so you can't think there are one Asian identity.

Originally posted by Fayadi
Cathay Pacific is the best airliner in the world with their nice foods and nice plus pretty air hostess:goodjob:Cathay Pacific has no record of crashing before:goodjob:

Are you completely brainwashed by communists or what? While it is debatable whether SIA is the best airline or not, Cathay Pacific is not even on the radar screen when it comes to global surveys and rankings.

from the www.singaporeair.com news release section.

20 December 2001

Singapore Airlines (SIA) continues to win recognition as one of the world's most preferred airlines, according to recent awards garnered worldwide.

In the December 20th edition of Review 200 by Far Eastern Economic Review , an annual survey of Asia's leading companies, SIA has been ranked number one among 34 Singapore-based companies. In addition to overall leadership, each nominated company was ranked according to the quality of products and services, the long-term vision of its management, its innovation in responding to customers' needs, its financial soundness, and its status as a company others try to emulate. SIA has held the number one Singapore spot since Review 200's inception in 1993.

This month, SIA was also presented with the 2001 Kalakbay Award for International Airline of the Year by President Arroyo in recognition of its commitment to the promotion of travel to the Philippines. This is the second time that SIA has won this award, with the first in 1992. Readers of Conde Nast Traveler have polled SIA as the Best International Carrier in the annual Conde Nast Traveler Awards. This is the 13th time in 14 years that SIA has won this award.

Last month, SIA picked up four awards during the Business Traveller International (US) Travel Awards:- Best Overall Airline, Best First Class, Best Business Class - International Flights, and Best Trans-Pacific Business Class. SIA retained top position in all four categories.

In October 2001, SIA picked up the Best Transpacific Carrier in the Conde Nast Traveler (US) Business Travel Awards.

Making a sweep of most of the categories in the Business Traveller Asia-Pacific 2001 readers' survey in September 2001, SIA was voted Best Airline in the World, Best Asian Airline, Best First Class, Best Business Class, Best Economy Class, and Best Frequent Flyer Programme. In the same month, readers of UK's Wanderlust magazine also voted SIA Winner of the Top Airline category in their Travel Awards. SIA achieved a 94.3% score in a survey of 189 airlines.

Other notable awards won by SIA in recent months include:-
November 2001
· Best Foreign Airline (7th consecutive year) - Scottish Passenger Agents Association Awards (UK)
· Best Long Haul Airline - Travel Magazine (Belgium)
· Top Airline Award - Altroconsumo (Italy)

October 2001
· Best Airline - Derniere Heure (French newspaper in Belgium)
· Most Appreciated Airline - Nouvelle Gazzette (French newspaper in Belgium)
· Best Long Haul Airline - Business Traveller Readers' Poll Awards (UK)

September 2001
· Airline of the Year Award (2nd consecutive year) - Australian National Travel Industry Awards (Australia)

p.s. I think Hong Kong airport is nicer looking and newer. The airport express train is really convenient as well. But personally I don't like to walk 50 miles to reach the boarding gate or line up for half an hour for immigration and the hand luggage x-ray.

Originally posted by preste joao
Israel is another difficult matter. Many of the Israeli arrived in Israel after the World War II from Europe. Of course there were some jewish people in Palestine also before that. But Israel is taking part to the competitions of UEFA in football and to the Eurovision Song Contest. And if you ask the Syrians and the Jordanians do they want Israel to join for example the football federation of Asia, I think they wouldn't like that.


Geographically Israel is a part of Asia. We're in european contests because a lot of Asian countries don't wanna play against us.
People come to Israel from all around the globe, not just europe - so you can't say we're european because of that. Now there's a big wave of Jews from Argentina that are about to come here. Will it make Israel a part of south America?

These internal problems of Cathay Pacific does not affect the service.Sure they caused some delayance and cancellation.But Cathay never experienced terrorist attacks and is safer than SIA.SIA experienced hostage crisis when their plane was hijacked in 1991 do you know that?
I said Cathay Pacific the best in my personal opinion.
Well if you really want to prove till how many awards they get is good,at least I know why SIA is so damn expensive,i dont really know about airlines anyway(except jet models) by the way dont trust those awards,there a lot of bribery in these matters when come to award/review
Please mind you words "brainwashed"
IS HK a communist state?Kaboyashi you underestimated the Chinese people in mainland for saying "brainwashed".
You know that Shanghai (communist)is already ahead of Singapore .HK and Shanghai are way above Singapore!

OK, you win.

SIA bribed everybody. Travellers only pay a premium to fly SIA because they are stupid.

You are not brainwashed.

Shanghai is the best city in the world, Singapore only happens be ranking in the world's top 5 in terms of per capita GDP by accident.

http://www.photius.com/wfb1999/rankings/gdp_per_capita_0.html

http://ea.grolier.com/ea-online/wsja/text/ch07/tables/wl139.htm

China is the cultural centre of the world.

China is the next superpower.

Chinese food is the best.

Everyone should learn from China how to eliminate poverty and have a high standard of living.

China will rule the world!

Originally posted by G-Man
This should be called the south east Asia quiz. You only putted one country not from that area.
Also, I believe Nepal was never taken over.

Russia and Turkey might not be considered Asian by you, but I'm just as asian as you are and i do consider them a part of this continent. People always forget the Asia is much larger then Japan, China and the countries around them. The last time I checked, China, Japan and Korea are not in SE Asia.

I am not sure what you mean about Nepal. But the Manchus of China once defeated the Nepalese in war and made them into a tributary state of China for a long time till the end of the Qing. It was cos the Nepalese were contesting Qing control of Tibet IIRC.

I am sorry if I excl the Mid-eastern countries but it's easier for me to come out with questions on the countries in my part of Asia. ;) Besides, there're only 10 questions.

Probably the definition of Asian is different for different people. The Turks themselves wanted to be considered European although they were originally nomads fr the borders of China. But Russia as Asian? That's very hard to swallow..... In the my books, definition of Asian is not just by geography, but also by culture, history and so on. Russia has always been more involved with Europe than Asia and the majority of people in Russia is Slavic European.

For ease of thinking, I have always thought of the Mid-eastern countries as simply being Islamic, rather than Asian. Except for Israel of course.

Originally posted by kobayashi
OK, you win.

SIA bribed everybody. Travellers only pay a premium to fly SIA because they are stupid.

You are not brainwashed.

Shanghai is the best city in the world, Singapore only happens be ranking in the world's top 5 in terms of per capita GDP by accident.

http://www.photius.com/wfb1999/rankings/gdp_per_capita_0.html

http://ea.grolier.com/ea-online/wsja/text/ch07/tables/wl139.htm

China is the cultural centre of the world.

China is the next superpower.

Chinese food is the best.

Everyone should learn from China how to eliminate poverty and have a high standard of living.

China will rule the world! He's a closed mind. Discussing anything with him is a waste of time. Even when the facts are so blatantly obvious, he'll disregard them. So most of the time (about 90% now), I simply ignore his posts. ;) You'll be wise to do the same.

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
He's a closed mind. Discussing anything with him is a waste of time. Even when the facts are so blatantly obvious, he'll disregard them. So most of the time (about 90% now), I simply ignore his posts. ;) You'll be wise to do the same.

Amen to that. Actually after discovering that he is Indonesian and not from China (in one of your older posts), all my intentions of enlightening him have vapourised.

p.s. I don't think KLIA is that bad.

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
The last time I checked, China, Japan and Korea are not in SE Asia.

I am not sure what you mean about Nepal. But the Manchus of China once defeated the Nepalese in war and made them into a tributary state of China for a long time till the end of the Qing. It was cos the Nepalese were contesting Qing control of Tibet IIRC.

I am sorry if I excl the Mid-eastern countries but it's easier for me to come out with questions on the countries in my part of Asia. ;) Besides, there're only 10 questions.

Probably the definition of Asian is different for different people. The Turks themselves wanted to be considered European although they were originally nomads fr the borders of China. But Russia as Asian? That's very hard to swallow..... In the my books, definition of Asian is not just by geography, but also by culture, history and so on. Russia has always been more involved with Europe than Asia and the majority of people in Russia is Slavic European.

For ease of thinking, I have always thought of the Mid-eastern countries as simply being Islamic, rather than Asian. Except for Israel of course.

Take a map of Asia. Now divide it into 4 equal squares.

The two northern squares will be Russia, a country that not all of it is Asian but many areas and the people that live there are Asian.

The SW square is the one that has the Muslim countries and Israel and that you ignored almost completely

The last square, to the bottom right, is SE asia. It includes China, Japan and Korea, as well as many other countries.

Originally posted by G-Man
Take a map of Asia. Now divide it into 4 equal squares.

The two northern squares will be Russia, a country that not all of it is Asian but many areas and the people that live there are Asian.

The SW square is the one that has the Muslim countries and Israel and that you ignored almost completely

The last square, to the bottom right, is SE asia. It includes China, Japan and Korea, as well as many other countries. China, Japan and Korea are commonly considered a part of East Asia. That's why the Association of South East Asian Nations never extended membership invitations to them although ASEAN (which is about the most diverse and reasonably successful regional states grouping in the world) now covers Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia, Brunei and Vietnam as well, in add to the original member states.

Alright if you're going to be so persistent about it, you win. Yep, I left out whole masses of Asian countries in my quiz. Happy now?

No point making a big deal out of this. KD was just thinking of the 'Asia Pacific' region when he wrote Asia. It is quite common to just use Asia in this context. Same as saying America = USA when technically North (or even South) America consists of more than one country.

Originally posted by kobayashi
OK, you win.

SIA bribed everybody. Travellers only pay a premium to fly SIA because they are stupid.

You are not brainwashed.

Shanghai is the best city in the world, Singapore only happens be ranking in the world's top 5 in terms of per capita GDP by accident.

http://www.photius.com/wfb1999/rankings/gdp_per_capita_0.html

http://ea.grolier.com/ea-online/wsja/text/ch07/tables/wl139.htm

China is the cultural centre of the world.

China is the next superpower.

Chinese food is the best.

Everyone should learn from China how to eliminate poverty and have a high standard of living.

China will rule the world!


Whether I right or wrong this message is simply childish.
Thats not the right message I want to say really.
If you rather look it at that way,I have nothing to say

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
He's a closed mind. Discussing anything with him is a waste of time. Even when the facts are so blatantly obvious, he'll disregard them. So most of the time (about 90% now), I simply ignore his posts. ;) You'll be wise to do the same.

Sorry if you have ignored my posts,you didnt ,you did waste your time on me,you always wants to prove me that I am wrong.Strange how come you both Singaporeans says something bad to me?Well Knight Dragon these message you have passed to me is the first time I heard so far in CivFanatics forum.How did you define "closed mind" in your own imagination?"Closed mind" are often defined wrongly by many Singaporeans.Enlightening me?Not even 1 person I have met here in CFC with arrogant or racist attitude have ever said these msg for me.Fine I will shut up and stop the conflict,and it is shame really for someone living in Singapore together meeting here to say something nasty.I will keep quiet:o

One last thing
You know that these kind of people pollute the friendly atmosphere of CFC.I have been friendly to these people and they started the nasty stuffs.So dont blame me

For the last time

K-D is not a Singaporean he just lives there.

I am a Singaporean but I don't live in Singapore.

So we are neither from the same country or live in the same country. The only things we have in common are that we think you are close minded and that a hyper-sonic plane doesn't exist.

tsk tsk tsk ....and I was supposed to ignore him.

Singapore is NOT top 5 in terms of per capita GDP
http://www.mrdowling.com/800gdppercapita.html
this is the statistics of 2001 not 1999 wake up!
In terms of GDP Hong Kong is higher but in terms Capita per GDP Singapore is higher.But what nowdays people cares GDP more than Capita per GDP.As why CNN had called Germany(higher GDP ) the biggest economy in Europe rather than France (which has a higher Capita per GDP)!Hong Kong is richer than Singapore still.

The foreign reserves of HK
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sta/ir/hkg/eng/curhkg.htm
The foreign reserves of Singapore
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sta/ir/sgp/eng/cursgp.htm
HK foreign reserve is 113.096 billion US dollars while Singapore is only 70.096 billion US dollars .IT IS SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE You know!Foreign reserve are a good way of determinating whether a country is rich or not.

I got a new Information here.......Hong KONG FOREIGN RESERVE IS nearly(well not so near) twice of the US's can u believe it?
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sta/ir/usa/eng/curusa.htm
I know why,US had spent all the bucks to make killer machines


"China is the next superpower. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1708000/1708454.stm
This is taken from BBC so it is no propaganda

Hey it is getting out of topics
it is wiser if you post back here "The Next World Superpower"
http://www.imf.org/external/np/sta/ir/sgp/eng/cursgp.htm

And again whether you answer or not is up to you,I have seen your mistake and now if you want to answer back in a more professional way

First off, its per capita GDP not Capita per GDP. You don't even know what you are quoting. So its in the top ten instead of the top five because a few countries had stronger currencies last year. So what? Its higher than Japan, France, Germany, Hong Kong. And China which is ranked a pityful 116th behind Swaziland.

Just to indulge you in the unlikely case you even understand what per capita GDP is...per capita was quoted because we were talking about cities. GDP is only used when you are comparing the economic size of countries not cities. In HK, most people live in 500 square feet apartments, the size of my garage. So what if there are double the number of people in HK. Shanghai has 5x the population of Singapore even 50 years ago. So what? That's not in dispute.

The foreign reserves of HK are huge because it has to defend its currency which is pegged to the USD (because RMB is such a crap currency). That fact that you pointed out its reserves are double that of the US already shows how ignorant you are to use it as a point of comparison. So HK is twice as rich as US now is it?

the point is you made (yet another) baseless claim

You know that Shanghai (communist)is already ahead of Singapore. HK and Shanghai are way above Singapore!

Anything that you posted above is what you just discovered. You had no clue whether HK and Shanghai were above Singapore or not.

p.s. to everyone else - I really have no wish to debate whether Singapore is great or not - it is just a well to do but smallish city state which is insignificant when compared to the likes of the US. Not something that would interest most people. Its only Fayadi who started this stupid comparison and attack on Singaporeans when we were discussing airlines.

Originally posted by Fayadi


Sorry if you have ignored my posts,you didnt ,you did waste your time on me,you always wants to prove me that I am wrong.Strange how come you both Singaporeans says something bad to me?Well Knight Dragon these message you have passed to me is the first time I heard so far in CivFanatics forum.How did you define "closed mind" in your own imagination?"Closed mind" are often defined wrongly by many Singaporeans.Enlightening me?Not even 1 person I have met here in CFC with arrogant or racist attitude have ever said these msg for me.Fine I will shut up and stop the conflict,and it is shame really for someone living in Singapore together meeting here to say something nasty.I will keep quiet:o

One last thing
You know that these kind of people pollute the friendly atmosphere of CFC.I have been friendly to these people and they started the nasty stuffs.So dont blame me

Since you have such a short memory, let me remind you of what people at CFC think about you.


Goddam, I'm really relieved that all americans are not like you.

I feel Fayadi's posts have lacked any sort of perspective about the true state of affaires in China.

Fayadi, your last post is the true communism your government practices. You essentially disregard the peoples votes as the fault of a moderator, and present your own statistics (which I have NO clue how you arrived at them) pushing your views.

Fayadi we are watching you. You seem to post a lot of pro-China threads under the guise of 'discussion'. This site's forums are not a place to preach your beliefs on others.

Fayadi can you please get a life.

I am a Chinese, and I am ashame of u.

Your obsession is boring us all fay.

Again, I like China, and I understand Nationalism on your part Fayadi, but fiction is fiction and facts are facts.

Fayadi, get over you're super-plane. The ex-red Russians have forgotten more than everyone in china knows about aeronautical physics.

Do yourself a favor Fayahdi, if you're going to make unsupported claims, don't do it around me.

I think my first appointment will be Fayedi as the Minister of Propaganda...

Chinese food suck!!! (Not really, but I wanted to twist Fayedi's tail a little bit)

Originally posted by kobayashi
First off, its per capita GDP not Capita per GDP. You don't even know what you are quoting. So its in the top ten instead of the top five because a few countries had stronger currencies last year. So what? Its higher than Japan, France, Germany, Hong Kong. And China which is ranked a pityful 116th behind Sawziland.

Just to indulge you in the unlikely case you even understand what per capita GDP is...per capita was quoted because we were talking about cities. GDP is only used when you are comparing the economic size of countries not cities. In HK, most people live in 500 square feet apartments, the size of my garage. So what if there are double the number of people in HK. Shanghai has 5x the population of Singapore even 50 years ago. So what? That's not in dispute.

The foreign reserves of HK are huge because it has to defend its currency which is pegged to the USD (because RMB is such a crap currency). That fact that you pointed out its reserves are double that of the US already shows how ignorant you are to use it as a point of comparison. So HK is twice as rich as US now is it?

the point is you made (yet another) baseless claim

You know that Shanghai (communist)is already ahead of Singapore. HK and Shanghai are way above Singapore!

Anything that you posted above is what you just discovered. You had no clue whether HK and Shanghai were above Singapore or not.

p.s. to everyone else - I really have no wish to debate whether Singapore is great or not - it is just a well to do but smallish city state which is insignificant when compared to the likes of the US. Not something that would interest most people. Its only Fayadi who started this stupid comparison and attack on Singaporeans when we were discussing airlines.

What you said Foreign reserves statistics are useless claims?They are one of the main source how you determine how a country is rich or not
China 116th thats because they are communism.Everybody knows that why they are poor
"That fact that you pointed out its reserves are double that of the US already shows how ignorant you are to use it as a point of comparison. So HK is twice as rich as US now is it?"
Thats not what I mean ,this shows you are narrowminded,I am personally surprised that US foreign reserves are half of HK's.I always expect US is no1 in these economy stuffs.
Foreign reserves are useless claims?Both HK and Singapore has their own governments and it is wise to compare both of them.
"The foreign reserves of HK are huge because it has to defend its currency which is pegged to the USD (because RMB is such a crap currency). " I dont see your logic ......If a country is rich it proves that they are successful and why must you give reason like because?
Why US is the world richest nation?Why is Germany is the richest European country?:lol: :lol: these are more useless claims
Then why Singapore dont have such a large amount of reserves to defend from the USD.its funny!


How would you know these are new discovered facts?Because the delayance i post isn' t?I have already known these facts but only wanting to find the source(the new thing i discovered is only about the US foreign reserve) because if I post without evidence I will have to listen to some "unprofessional" whine of "brainwashed". "ok you win and bla bla bla" "closed mind"

Happy New Year and a peaceful year stop the unprofessional conflicts !

Bandits at 11 o'clock low. Tally Hooooo....

Singapore does not need to defend its currency against the USD because it's currency is a floating currency. Its not pegged and doesn't need defending. The S$ has been generally appreciating against the US$ for the past 20 years.

But if you insist of comparing reserves, on a per capita basis. Singapore's reserves are well in excess of Hong Kong's since HK has double the population. It is pointless for you to try and back up your dubious claim that HK or any other Chinese city is way above Singapore. I am not claiming that Singapore is better than HK, I'm just disputing your ignorant claim. Face it, you simply do not have the knowledge to present a proper arguement to convince anyone. You also don't have a bloomberg terminal like me.

I did not say foreign reserves are useless claims. I said you do not even know what they are, or what they are for. The US does not need huge reserves because its issues US$ not because it spends all its money on 'killer machines'. When the US holds $US (and it can print as much of it as it wants), they are not considered foreign reserves. Many countries also keep their reserves in precious metals. When a currency is perceived to be strong, other countries peg their currency to it. Just like $HK are pegged to the USD and Brunei pegs its currency to the Singapore Dollar. A country can have smaller foreign reserves because they are not needed. It is bad economic policy to accumulate foreign reserves beyond what is required.

Singapore does not need to defend its currency against the USD because it's currency is a floating currency. Its not pegged and doesn't need defending. The S$ has been generally appreciating against the US$ for the past 20 years.IMHO, the MAS (the Monetary Authority of Singapore) does defend the S$. Generally they'll have a set band for how much they will let the S$ move against the USD, which is unannounced. Anytime the rate moves out of the band, either they'll throw in deals to move it back or else nudge local banks to throw in deals and move it back. The band is kept flexible and change with new circumstances.

Also the MAS keeps a strong watch on all deals and movements in SGD in Spore in FX deals, options etc. I know cos a part of my work involves reporting to the MAS. They're especially wary of huge deals involving the S$, offshore.

But if you insist of comparing reserves, on a per capita basis. Singapore's reserves are well in excess of Hong Kong's since HK has double the population. It is pointless for you to try and back up your dubious claim that HK or any other Chinese city is way above Singapore. I am not claiming that Singapore is better than HK, I'm just disputing your ignorant claim. Face it, you simply do not have the knowledge to present a proper arguement to convince anyone. You also don't have a bloomberg terminal like me.Wow, a Bloomberg terminal! What are you, a front-office trader?

I did not say foreign reserves are useless claims. I said you do not even know what they are, or what they are for. The US does not need huge reserves because its issues US$ not because it spends all its money on 'killer machines'. When the US holds $US (and it can print as much of it as it wants), they are not considered foreign reserves. Many countries also keep their reserves in precious metals. When a currency is perceived to be strong, other countries peg their currency to it. Just like $HK are pegged to the USD and Brunei pegs its currency to the Singapore Dollar. A country can have smaller foreign reserves because they are not needed. It is bad economic policy to accumulate foreign reserves beyond what is required.One - there're more USD outside the US than inside the country. In effect, the Americans are getting a mega-huge interest-free loan fr the world simply cos their currency is so popular. Supposedly, the launch of the euro is to offset this but to date, not that big as expected an impact.

Two - Singapore doesn't just have foreign reserves. Also have the ultra-secretive GIC (the Govt of Spore Investment Corp) which handles the investments of the Spore govt. It's probably the biggest such investing arm in the world and very very low-profiled. And they never announce operating results or asset figures, so as not to draw unwanted attention and also to deter FX currency traders (more like raiders) fr trading the S$ down cos the dealers will then never know how much money the GIC can throw against them.

Generally, the GIC invests in just about anything - fr properties to corporations all over the world. Also makes strategic investments i.e. for political purposes. Its role is so important that Lee Kuan Yew, the founding father of modern Singapore, may have resigned the Prime Ministership but still remains the GIC Chairman IIRC. ;)

Originally posted by kobayashi
Since you have such a short memory, let me remind you of what people at CFC think about you.


Goddam, I'm really relieved that all americans are not like you.

I feel Fayadi's posts have lacked any sort of perspective about the true state of affaires in China.

Fayadi, your last post is the true communism your government practices. You essentially disregard the peoples votes as the fault of a moderator, and present your own statistics (which I have NO clue how you arrived at them) pushing your views.

Fayadi we are watching you. You seem to post a lot of pro-China threads under the guise of 'discussion'. This site's forums are not a place to preach your beliefs on others.

Fayadi can you please get a life.

I am a Chinese, and I am ashame of u.

Your obsession is boring us all fay.

Again, I like China, and I understand Nationalism on your part Fayadi, but fiction is fiction and facts are facts.

Fayadi, get over you're super-plane. The ex-red Russians have forgotten more than everyone in china knows about aeronautical physics.

Do yourself a favor Fayahdi, if you're going to make unsupported claims, don't do it around me.

I think my first appointment will be Fayedi as the Minister of Propaganda...

Chinese food suck!!! (Not really, but I wanted to twist Fayedi's tail a little bit)

All I wanted to say is :goodjob: :D :) :p [dance] ! I salute you for taking the effort to dreg out the above quoted comments fr all over the forums!

Originally posted by kobayashi


Since you have such a short memory, let me remind you of what people at CFC think about you.


Goddam, I'm really relieved that all americans are not like you.

I feel Fayadi's posts have lacked any sort of perspective about the true state of affaires in China.

Fayadi, your last post is the true communism your government practices. You essentially disregard the peoples votes as the fault of a moderator, and present your own statistics (which I have NO clue how you arrived at them) pushing your views.

Fayadi we are watching you. You seem to post a lot of pro-China threads under the guise of 'discussion'. This site's forums are not a place to preach your beliefs on others.

Fayadi can you please get a life.

I am a Chinese, and I am ashame of u.

Your obsession is boring us all fay.

Again, I like China, and I understand Nationalism on your part Fayadi, but fiction is fiction and facts are facts.

Fayadi, get over you're super-plane. The ex-red Russians have forgotten more than everyone in china knows about aeronautical physics.

Do yourself a favor Fayahdi, if you're going to make unsupported claims, don't do it around me.

I think my first appointment will be Fayedi as the Minister of Propaganda...

Chinese food suck!!! (Not really, but I wanted to twist Fayedi's tail a little bit)




Thanks you did put a lot of efforts,Havent you got jobs to do?
You could have angered anybody if you do this to someone else.
I have a nice temper and self control relax

"Goddam, I'm really relieved that all americans are not like you."
This stupid statements you want to give example?
Please be sensible is these kind of people who give america a bad image.This person does not even represent americans,he dont represent a great nation.To be frank I love America because their lifestyle is the best in the world.

"I am a Chinese and I am ashame of you"
Where did you get this message.

"Fayadi we are watching you. You seem to post a lot of pro-China threads under the guise of 'discussion'. This site's forums are not a place to preach your beliefs on others"

Not really ,I am saying out what I think,I didnt really mean to spread beliefs

"Fayadi, get over you're super-plane. The ex-red Russians have forgotten more than everyone in china knows about aeronautical physics. "

Man,you can find the news in Singapore Straits Times if you dont believe me.It is normal to see people replying like this.When Eiffel Tower was planned to be build you see people criticising like this

"Do yourself a favor Fayahdi, if you're going to make unsupported claims, don't do it around me. "
By the way who again say this,Which unsupported claims I make?
I dont lie

"Fayadi, your last post is the true communism your government practices. You essentially disregard the peoples votes as the fault of a moderator, and present your own statistics (which I have NO clue how you arrived at them) pushing your views. "

The voting system was changed,I am not going to explain myself,if anybody else had seen the voting system changed pls explain to this guy


This is life by the way,If you speak up a lot of things (like politicians) especially opinions ,many people will critise you good or bad,least I am not childish as you

" Its only Fayadi who started this stupid comparison and attack on Singaporeans when we were discussing airlines."

You say I am brainwashed of course it means Chinese in mainlands are a bunch of fools because it is a fact that only stupid people will get brainwashed and you just cant differentiate patriotic and brainwashed.I was unhappy to see you saying Chinese in mainland brainwashed as much as you are unhappy I make personal attacks on Singapore.
In fact I never say ANYTHING BAD on Singapore ,it is only your imagination.You didnt really understand what I'm saying.You did personal attack on China."China which ranked a pitiful 116 th" yes that means you are happy right?"I am a Chinese and I am ashame of you" this message should be given to you.

Your atitude tells me that you are a person who always thinks you are right,no matter I am right or wrong.
To spend so much time to give examples of how stupid I am is unbelievable and in the end it just satisfy your feeling.You got it all wrong.Sure I have words fight with some CFC's here AT LEAST I could make peace with them again and each one realising their mistake.

Alright I want to be frank with you one thing you may have a bad impression of me of posting some racist threads (like US vs China )some time ago,actually I find it interesting to see racist threads and find it interesting too see some of the finest things in life competing each other(like in Cold War) ,I have tried long ago to voice out my opinion about these stuffs and listen to others and the only place I can do is internet.
I have stopped posting racist threads when I find it bad.

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
All I wanted to say is :goodjob: :D :) :p [dance] ! I salute you for taking the effort to dreg out the above quoted comments fr all over the forums!

Not a pleasant chore but unfortunately I have been tasked by the powers that be to rid the realm of its locust infestation.

The end story is still wide open
Now that I have time I really want to end the conflict with a better ending
The first one to start personal attack is Kobayashi

Originally posted by kobayashi


Are you completely brainwashed by communists or what? While it is debatable whether SIA is the best airline or not, Cathay Pacific is not even on the radar screen when it comes to global surveys and rankings.

from the www.singaporeair.com news release section.

20 December 2001

Singapore Airlines (SIA) continues to win recognition as one of the world's most preferred airlines, according to recent awards garnered worldwide.

In the December 20th edition of Review 200 by Far Eastern Economic Review , an annual survey of Asia's leading companies, SIA has been ranked number one among 34 Singapore-based companies. In addition to overall leadership, each nominated company was ranked according to the quality of products and services, the long-term vision of its management, its innovation in responding to customers' needs, its financial soundness, and its status as a company others try to emulate. SIA has held the number one Singapore spot since Review 200's inception in 1993.

This month, SIA was also presented with the 2001 Kalakbay Award for International Airline of the Year by President Arroyo in recognition of its commitment to the promotion of travel to the Philippines. This is the second time that SIA has won this award, with the first in 1992. Readers of Conde Nast Traveler have polled SIA as the Best International Carrier in the annual Conde Nast Traveler Awards. This is the 13th time in 14 years that SIA has won this award.

Last month, SIA picked up four awards during the Business Traveller International (US) Travel Awards:- Best Overall Airline, Best First Class, Best Business Class - International Flights, and Best Trans-Pacific Business Class. SIA retained top position in all four categories.

In October 2001, SIA picked up the Best Transpacific Carrier in the Conde Nast Traveler (US) Business Travel Awards.

Making a sweep of most of the categories in the Business Traveller Asia-Pacific 2001 readers' survey in September 2001, SIA was voted Best Airline in the World, Best Asian Airline, Best First Class, Best Business Class, Best Economy Class, and Best Frequent Flyer Programme. In the same month, readers of UK's Wanderlust magazine also voted SIA Winner of the Top Airline category in their Travel Awards. SIA achieved a 94.3% score in a survey of 189 airlines.

Other notable awards won by SIA in recent months include:-
November 2001
· Best Foreign Airline (7th consecutive year) - Scottish Passenger Agents Association Awards (UK)
· Best Long Haul Airline - Travel Magazine (Belgium)
· Top Airline Award - Altroconsumo (Italy)

October 2001
· Best Airline - Derniere Heure (French newspaper in Belgium)
· Most Appreciated Airline - Nouvelle Gazzette (French newspaper in Belgium)
· Best Long Haul Airline - Business Traveller Readers' Poll Awards (UK)

September 2001
· Airline of the Year Award (2nd consecutive year) - Australian National Travel Industry Awards (Australia)

p.s. I think Hong Kong airport is nicer looking and newer. The airport express train is really convenient as well. But personally I don't like to walk 50 miles to reach the boarding gate or line up for half an hour for immigration and the hand luggage x-ray.


Kobayahsi describes me being brainwashed."Braiwashed by Communists" this phrase is more to a description of mass numbers rather than to describe to 1 person.You are indirectly insulting the Chinese in the mainland as I have said before brainwashed people are stupid
About the Airline stuffs,You ignore my message that SIA is unsafe because it had encountered 2 tragic incident being hijacked in 1991 and crash in Taiwan in 2000 before.In the first place I only said in my OPINION that Cathay Pacific is the best,I dont said they are the best.Is you who started to compare how damn good SIA is.

QUOTE]Originally posted by kobayashi
OK, you win.

SIA bribed everybody. Travellers only pay a premium to fly SIA because they are stupid.

You are not brainwashed.

Shanghai is the best city in the world, Singapore only happens be ranking in the world's top 5 in terms of per capita GDP by accident.

http://www.photius.com/wfb1999/rankings/gdp_per_capita_0.html

http://ea.grolier.com/ea-online/wsja/text/ch07/tables/wl139.htm

China is the cultural centre of the world.

China is the next superpower.

Chinese food is the best.

Everyone should learn from China how to eliminate poverty and have a high standard of living.

China will rule the world! [/QUOTE]

This is such a lame way to insist to tell other people that you are right.
"You are not brainwashed"You insisted I am brainwashed when actually I know more things than you and have wider mind than you.

"China is the cultural centre of the world"I dont have an idea why you jump to this conclusion.Useless claim

"China is the next superpower" We were not discussing about this you "bodoh" ,we were not discussing about superpower in this tread

"Chinese food is the best" again we were not discussing about food under this thread please wake up!

"Everyone should learn from China how to eliminate poverty and have a high standard of living" I NEVER even said about China has high income/gdp.I only mentioned about the significant growth China had made.Again this is not under this thread.I think you failed for your comprehension passage skills!

"China will rule the world" again we werent discussing about this,You narrowmind fools,being a superpower doesnt mean must rule the world

"Shanghai is the best city in the world, Singapore only happens be ranking in the world's top 5 in terms of per capita GDP by accident. " yes Shanghai is said to become Asia's New York by Time magazine in a decade time just see the amount of investments had been going there ( i look at Asiaweek's stats ) Singapore is losing investments if you know about your nation problems and I never even said Shanghai is the best

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
He's a closed mind. Discussing anything with him is a waste of time. Even when the facts are so blatantly obvious, he'll disregard them. So most of the time (about 90% now), I simply ignore his posts. ;) You'll be wise to do the same.

blantantly obvious your ass!Both of you have been posting bull****s.I am an open minded person and how can you said I am closed minded when i have more open,knowledgeable and wiser mind than you.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
If you'll note my original question, I did say reputedly. :rolleyes: And I'll have to disagree with you about Cathay Pacific being the best airline in the world. At least, cost-wise. Haven't you heard about the problems the airline is having with their pilots regarding compensation?

Apparently Cathay pilots are too well-paid compared with their regional competitors (incl SIA). So the mgmt was trying to cut back their pay. The pilots responded by 'go-slow' activities and mass taking of medical leave, resulting in many grounded or delayed Cathay flights. Some passengers were rerouted using SIA planes even. ;)

Cost-wise and reputation-wise, Cathay can't compare with SIA. Due to 911 which severely hit airliners' bottomlines, the mgmt of SIA began by cutting their own pay by up to 20% IIRC. You don't see that happening anywhere else. That's how aggresive SIA is with cost control esp during bad times.

I don't even think I want to go into comparing HK's new airport with Spore's Changi airport .... [/QUOTE]

"Cathay can't compare with SIA. Due to 911 which severely hit airliners' bottomlines"hey you narrowminded YOU DONT know anything.Cathay Pacific did benefits,because of 911 ,many mainlanders are afraid to go overseas as the result?Most of them went to HK and as a result HK benefits together with Cathay Pacific

"At least, cost-wise. Haven't you heard about the problems the airline is having with their pilots regarding compensation?

Apparently Cathay pilots are too well-paid compared with their regional competitors (incl SIA). So the mgmt was trying to cut back their pay. The pilots responded by 'go-slow' activities and mass taking of medical leave, resulting in many grounded or delayed Cathay flights. Some passengers were rerouted using SIA planes even. ;) " This problem happened only once,Cathay Pacific has no crash or hijack record before not like SIA.

I've been quite busy at my usual forum but I will spare a bit of time just to humour you and provide some entertainemnt for the others.

You said brainwashed people are stupid, not me. Smart people can be brainwashed too, especially if the brainwashing starts from young. Since you are brainwashed, by definition, you wouldn't know it - though everyone else who is not brainwashed would notice that you ARE brainwashed. And of course being brainwashed, you would deny being brainwashed strenously, just as you are now.

As for the rest of the stuff, its something called sarcasm, check it up in a dictionary. I'm just the only who has enough patience not to ignore you. But I guess I'll have to give up soon if I can't cure you of your brainwash-syndrome.

p.s. just a friendly reminder (again) of what everyone thinks of you.


Goddam, I'm really relieved that all americans are not like you.

I feel Fayadi's posts have lacked any sort of perspective about the true state of affaires in China.

Fayadi, your last post is the true communism your government practices. You essentially disregard the peoples votes as the fault of a moderator, and present your own statistics (which I have NO clue how you arrived at them) pushing your views.

Fayadi we are watching you. You seem to post a lot of pro-China threads under the guise of 'discussion'. This site's forums are not a place to preach your beliefs on others.

Fayadi can you please get a life.

I am a Chinese, and I am ashame of u.

Your obsession is boring us all fay.

Again, I like China, and I understand Nationalism on your part Fayadi, but fiction is fiction and facts are facts.

Fayadi, get over you're super-plane. The ex-red Russians have forgotten more than everyone in china knows about aeronautical physics.

Do yourself a favor Fayahdi, if you're going to make unsupported claims, don't do it around me.

I think my first appointment will be Fayedi as the Minister of Propaganda...

Chinese food suck!!! (Not really, but I wanted to twist Fayedi's tail a little bit)

Originally posted by kobayashi
I've been quite busy at my usual forum but I will spare a bit of time just to humour you and provide some entertainemnt for the others.

You said brainwashed people are stupid, not me. Smart people can be brainwashed too, especially if the brainwashing starts from young. Since you are brainwashed, by definition, you wouldn't know it - though everyone else who is not brainwashed would notice that you ARE brainwashed. And of course being brainwashed, you would deny being brainwashed strenously, just as you are now.

As for the rest of the stuff, its something called sarcasm, check it up in a dictionary. I'm just the only who has enough patience not to ignore you. But I guess I'll have to give up soon if I can't cure you of your brainwash-syndrome.

p.s. just a friendly reminder (again) of what everyone thinks of you.


Goddam, I'm really relieved that all americans are not like you.

I feel Fayadi's posts have lacked any sort of perspective about the true state of affaires in China.

Fayadi, your last post is the true communism your government practices. You essentially disregard the peoples votes as the fault of a moderator, and present your own statistics (which I have NO clue how you arrived at them) pushing your views.

Fayadi we are watching you. You seem to post a lot of pro-China threads under the guise of 'discussion'. This site's forums are not a place to preach your beliefs on others.

Fayadi can you please get a life.

I am a Chinese, and I am ashame of u.

Your obsession is boring us all fay.

Again, I like China, and I understand Nationalism on your part Fayadi, but fiction is fiction and facts are facts.

Fayadi, get over you're super-plane. The ex-red Russians have forgotten more than everyone in china knows about aeronautical physics.

Do yourself a favor Fayahdi, if you're going to make unsupported claims, don't do it around me.

I think my first appointment will be Fayedi as the Minister of Propaganda...

Chinese food suck!!! (Not really, but I wanted to twist Fayedi's tail a little bit)



Good you are friendlier than the previous posts.
You have repeated "what everyone thinks of you" again childishly this time,fine i am going to tell you,CFC got more than 10000 's people.these few people DONT represent CFC at all.
As i have said earlier,if you speak up a lot of opinions people you mill make friends and enemies,This is Life!
Most CFC's are neutral to me to me,few are friendly,few are unhappy to me
Could you give me proof that I am brainwashed(this is more professional)?
I think it is pointless to say that I am not brainwashed
and you say that I am brainwashed anyway
I was born in Indonesia (Indonesian born Chinese)study there till primary 4 before i went to Singapore.In Indonesia they taught you about human rights!They thought you that you have the rights to choose whatever religion you want!
Smart people are peope with strong characters who dont believe others so easily.
Besides do you exactly know how brainwashed people think?This is an important question.
"I'm just the only who has enough patience not to ignore you"
The only one???Nobody ignores me in this forum as far as I know(even people who are unhappy with me) except for the arrogant Knight-Dragon ,he is special person with poor public relations

Turks are asian dammit! were just really spread out. The Turkish muslims in Asia extend from asia minor all the way to north west China. that province in China is known as East Turkestan or 'Xinjiang' in Chinese.

the turks in asia minor look european but their langauge and culture is pretty much asian.

G-Man South-East Asia is the Phillipines, Malyasia, Thailand, Indonesia, Brunei, Singapore, Vietnam, and Cambodia. i might be missing one or two....but i know that malyasia, brunei, singapore, and thailand are pretty wealthy :)

Knight-Dragon u say middle-eastern people are islamic not asian...

i have a trick question :)

what do u consider Malaysians, Indonesians, Hui Chinese, and central asian Turks.......Islamic or Asian?

bwahhaha :)

I live in Singapore and i tell u all something about what I think but not very sure about.

China is growing faster than Singapore, give it time and some ones claim will be true.

Secondly reserve in singapore include CPF therefore it cannot not be compare against hong kong reserve.

Singapore ppl earning AVERAGE is more then China.
In a CERTAIN ISLAND MONEY make ppl work HARDER, LAW make ppl FEAR, and GOVERMENT use FEAR to keep himself Voted

China is growing faster than Singapore, give it time and some ones claim will be true. China is growing because of gobalization...
the capital in china are both due to investment and ip of other countries
and strong infrastructure provided by cheap labour
and concentrated population.

it is quite true that china can be a superpower,
but not before it becomes a developed nation....
the economic power will surely benefit all of asia....

for now singapore and HK are actually industrial hub...
it's dependency on other countries is its weakness....
while sg depend on asean.... hk depend on china....
both are just cities without a body.....

when ask which is more important, SG or HK?
the answer is SG, since HK is just a territory....
a territory cannot make national poticially decision... :D

this is why taiwan refuse unitification
even if the people feel loyal to china.
for example shanghai also grow at HK expenses...

Secondly reserve in singapore include CPF therefore it cannot not be compare against hong kong reservei believe they were talking about nation reserve, not civilian ones

1) Papua New Guinea
2) Thailand
3) ???
4) Malaysia
5) Japan
6) Japan
7) Australia
8) Dilmun?!
9) China
10) Mongolia

Why does this thread have the word "Quiz" in its title? "Flame War" is more appropriate :lol:

Originally posted by akinkhoo
but not before it becomes a developed nation....
the economic power will surely benefit all of asia....

Why do you think all of asia will benefit? Mexico and central america have gained almost nothing from generations of the US' fabulous economic development and success. Western european success has not spilled far afield, either.

China is more sensitive to its regional neighbours' needs/feelings/conditions than either America or Europe. Neighbours as in SE Asia.

To assuage SE Asian worries, China has agreed to form a free trade grouping with all the states in ASEAN, the SE Asian regional body. When China grows big enough, we'll have a new major mkt to export to.

BTW, this has the effect of Japan scrambling trying to conclude a similiar free trade agreement with ASEAN as well. Not sure at what stage now, but I think it's fairly limited. And we tried so hard for so many years to try to get something like this fr Japan. :lol:

Originally posted by Beammeuppy
Why does this thread have the word "Quiz" in its title? "Flame War" is more appropriate :lol: I originally began it as a quiz. Then Fayadi joined in..... You'll understand if you've been around while. :)

Is there actually a current quiz question? If so, can someone post it again? No worries if this is not a quiz thread anymore.... just looking in to see what the question was :).

Nope, quiz was of ten questions, in the first post. Then it degenerated over argument over China vs Singapore pertaining to 1-2 of the questions.... :rolleyes:

Anybody is welcomed to ask a question and we can turn this into a cumulative Asian quiz thread. ;)

Generally when people are tallking about Asia, they are not talking about Turkey, Russia, Australia, or New Zealand people.

Originally posted by Sodak

Why do you think all of asia will benefit? Mexico and central america have gained almost nothing from generations of the US' fabulous economic development and success. Western european success has not spilled far afield, either. i think it will, but i can't promise it.
you need to understand how chinese think is VERY different from westerner...

it is interesting that USA is complaining about how china is doing the very same thing it again.
(refering to trade inbalance, which was the main reason that lead to the opimum war)
it seem they haven't changed at all :D

It is a pity that what could have been a very interesting discussion/quiz on the quiz has been hijacked by jingoism. There is no other word for it. :p

Fayadi:
I know it is futile to convince you, but also realize that it is futile to convince people who are arguing on facts. No doubt China is becoming economically strong, but that does'nt mean that everybody thinks too highly of China. There is more to a nation than great culture or great history or great wealth.

originally by Sobiesky
Generally when people are tallking about Asia, they are not talking about Turkey, Russia, Australia, or New Zealand people.

AFAIK, Australia and New Zealand count for Oceania (or whatever the english term is).

Just to revive this threat: name ALL german colonies and "holdings" in asia.

What is the definition of Asia we should use ?

If it is the Far East: Shandong would be it (hilly peninsula in Eastern China) with Qingdao as the main harbor (Qingdao being the most famous Chinese beer brand now :D ).

Originally posted by schmiddi

Just to revive this threat: name ALL german colonies and "holdings" in asia.

the marshall, marianais,caroline,bismark and soloman islands, new guinea,samoa plus the city in china loulung mentioned. i think thats all

Don't know if that was right, but here is the next question.

"What nation of Asia once invaded the USSR?

Originally posted by ss3goku
Don't know if that was right, but here is the next question.

if we don't know if it is right ,why are we asking another question? why are you, who did not get the question right asking a question?

Originally posted by pawpaw


if we don't know if it is right ,why are we asking another question? why are you, who did not get the question right asking a question?

sorry, and i don't know

Originally posted by ss3goku


sorry, and i don't know

thats o.k.:D it does help prevent chaos:(

Seems like I got it running again.

pawpaw, you're right. Your turn.

who was " the king who fled from the chinese "?

Originally posted by ss3goku

"What nation of Asia once invaded the USSR?

Hmm, Communist China once fought border wars with the USSR. But I don't know who invaded first.

Afganistan WAS INVADED BY the USSR right? So that doesn't count.

Japan invaded Port Arthur, which was a posession of Russia in 1905, not the USSR.

My best guess is still the People's Republic of China, is that the right answer?

Originally posted by Djarum Kretek


Hmm, Communist China once fought border wars with the USSR. But I don't know who invaded first.

Afganistan WAS INVADED BY the USSR right? So that doesn't count.

Japan invaded Port Arthur, which was a posession of Russia in 1905, not the USSR.

My best guess is still the People's Republic of China, is that the right answer?
Yea, i was looking for Communist China, they had some gains, only to be slaughtered when the entire might of the USSR was used.

Imperial Japan invaded Outer Mongolia (Mongolia today) then a Soviet sphere in the 1930s and was outfought by Soviet and Mongol troops, but I guess that doesn't count...

Alright, let's all move back to pawpaw's question.

King Narathihapati

Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
King Narathihapati

:goodjob: your go

he was the idiot who killed the mongol envoys for not taking their shoes off fast enough or ofen enough in his presence:crazyeye:

This might be to easy, but...

Who was the last emperor of China, and what was the name of the puppet kingdom he ruled after leaving the Forbidden City.

Puyi.

Manchukuo. Puyi spent some years abroad before being led back to Manchuria to 'rule' the Japanese-setup puppet state in the 30s.

Correct XIII, your turn.

Originally posted by pawpaw
:goodjob: your go

he was the idiot who killed the mongol envoys for not taking their shoes off fast enough or ofen enough in his presence:crazyeye: I thought you said, 'fled fr the Chinese. ;)

Hehe, ok.

Question : - Who was the last great khan in the steppes, who was finally scuppered by the Manchus?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by XIII
I thought you said, 'fled fr the Chinese. ;) [/QUOTE

i did, the burmese concicedered anyone from china ,chinese, han,tang,sung,juchen,mongol--who ever was there at the time

Chuang Lieh Ti. I think he was the last Ming Emperor of Mongolian descent. Then Nurhachi (who was Manchurian) delcared himself emperor in 1618.

There're no Ming emperors of Mongolian descent; the Ming dynasty is a pure Chinese dynasty. ;)

Nope.

was it Lingdan Khutaghtu Khan?

As a side note, I think there was a great Khan that ruled from 1911 - 1924. His name was Boghda Khan.

EDIT: I'm not sure if this is far, I was looking at some more history books about the Mongolian Empire and the answer came up.

I mean as in a really effective great independent nomadic ruler, rather than as the last official 'great khan'. ;)

Nope, not what I had in mind. Think Dzungars here.

Hong Taiji?

Hong Taiji is Manchu... ;)

I give up, I have no idea. Hope someone gives the answer soon or XIII reveals it because I really want to know!

Was it someone named Toghon Temur?

No, like I said think Dzungars... early 18th century.

Bogd Khan?

think dzungers? was dayan (sp) a dzunger who haraassed the qin in the 18th cent. in and around tibet or his sucessor tsewang robdan

please tell us the answer!

I'm thinking more of Galdan, the last khan of the steppes who offered a real threat to the Chinese hinterland. He was trying to reunite all the Mongol tribes, and at one time or other, was even allied with the Russians who were advancing fr the west and north IIRC.

However, Galdan was eventually broken when the Kangxi emperor sent in his forces into Xinjiang and the Dzungarian Basin. Note that the Qing forces incl Mongol bannermen, fr what are Inner and Outer Mongolia today.

Someone asks a question.

Name all the counties involved in supressing the boxer rebellion in China during the early 1990s.

Boxer rebellion in 1990's? I suppose you mean 1890's.
BTW, can you give a number, please

I remembered vaguely there're eight countries.

Imperial Japan, Imperial Russia, France, Great Britain, Germany, Austro-Hungary (?), Belgium (?), America (?).

Originally posted by schmiddi
Boxer rebellion in 1990's? I suppose you mean 1890's.
BTW, can you give a number, please

Sorry, my mistake. Just a typo on my part. I meant to say "1900's". XIII you are correct and you named all of the countries involved so it's your turn!

D'oh! My last few guesses are correct! :lol:

Which European power once held Formosa (Taiwan), until they were driven off by Chinese forces?

dutch

Darn, I knew it was too easy. :D

You're up!