I would like any grumpy old idiot that has knowledge about opposite teams members to post it in this thread. Most important their style of playing, experience, games you played together and such.
Taking a good guess on who will call the shots, what they will shoot at and why might be important for our strat and diplomacy. Are they hot headed warmongerers, cunning traders, builders, culture freaks and has anyone a trick up the sleeve that might be identified before the bomb drops?
If info is posted I can do a summary and "profile" each team. Would at least be fun giving it a shot.

Please keep posts about opponents skills/personality as objective as possible. This is not meant to be for slagging people off (no matter how much you'd sometimes like to :D )

OPPONENTS

Team Doughnut-IROQUOIS

DaveShack D'nuts spokesman so far. Solid player
zyxy
vikingruler
Tomoyo Hasn't played GOTM since GOTM39 but was ranked 65 GPR at the time. Very good at MM'ing. Loves the discussion. Top quality player.
Bootstoots 15yrs
Octavian_X
Tboy
WarDance
gert-janl 19yrs
dl123654 Good skills allround but poor decision making
Kiech
Zorn
Nobody
Kuningas 24yrs, ranked 17 in GOTM Very strong player. Predator killer. One of the very best out there
admiral-bell
Robi D
magnusmarcus
killercane Top player
Icmancin
Civman2004

The D'nuts look a very competent bunch. If the elite players can pull the strings in same direction we need to watch these guys.

Team TNT-PERSIANS

Double Stack
Strider Good strategist. Mocks the "spirit of the game" cause it's "all about winning"
greekguy
vbraun Not a dependable team player
Bismark2990
TimBentley Very Strong player Bede and Bugsy have played games with him IIRC. May not be the strongest influence despit the skills.
Xerol 20yrs, Isn't this the guy that is collecting all of the shields and ambulances in gotm? hasn't played since GOTM42 but is ranked 114
MjM
JosefStalinator
donsig 44yrs. States that trickey is vital part of the game.
Ulyaoth
Provolution The team rep and a high profile.
Gunner
mvp
CoolioVonHoolio
Scaevola
Danheg
mrkingkong
deo
Observer (lurker): Capt Buttkick Good with #

This will be an interesting lot to meet. We know little about playing skills but the line-up, and posts so far, suggests that TNT will experience in-group as well as between-group problems. UN-rep thinks not highly about MIA dito. More and more likely to try dirty tricks.


Team M.I.A.-GREEKS

Black_Hole Regular in pbem
CivGeneral 22yrs, good unit creator, demo veteran
classical_hero 27yrs, Regular in pbem forum
Emp. Napoleon 15 yrs, Seems to be a respected and skilled diplomat. Very active in demo games.
Meleager
fe3333au 42yrs
Naimyth
azzaman333 14yrs
ybbor
Kentharu 15 yrs
Spud Boy
squirrelz rulez 12 yrs!
BigNHuge enthusiastic. no "big picture" as romeo would say
Fallensmith
Chamnix One of top dogs in HoF
peter grimes
enter`name`here
General_W
Rambuchan
Observer (lurker): Hygro

Some very young players that might not have the patience to twiddle with this for as long as it takes. A couple of experienced pbem/demo gamers that might want to run the buissness. Could make for a fuzzy bunch. The addition of Chamnix is good for MIA. Classical has been spotted at CDZ possibly fishing for intel which means espionage is On.

:hmm: This is a touchy subject if it goes public at some point. We can always shred the evidence, right? :lol:

Any how there aren't a lot of players we see a lot from what I can tell.
Team 1
Kuningas--IIRC he is a regular in the GOTM high scores. Dangerous I think.
Tomoyo--A solid player. He knows alot about the game and has been very solid in the PBEM vs. the Russian forum. Because he's not on this team he may lose interest though. Originally I invited him to us.
Team 2
Tim Bentley--Solid but quiet player. I think Tim will be a positive contribution to his team if he speaks up.
Provloution--He seems to be very, very, very opinionated with what some believe to be limited civ skills. I've read stuff writen by this guy when CFC lost in the intersite demogame. Not pretty. He seemed to be quite the disruptive force. Grille or Barbu may be able to discuss this further.
Team 3
Emp. Napoleon--Seems to be a respected amd skilled diplomat.

I don't have much to contribute here, except that Kuningas held the #1 spot in the HOF for a while with a 80k+ huge map Sid game. Anyone who can do that, has to be one of the great. Any way we can get Moonsinger or SirPleb to join our team? ;)

This is a touchy subject if it goes public at some point I'm sure our opponents are doing the same and if they don't, they gonna lose assuming civ skills are equal. Anyway, they should have distance enough to this to see that it's all done in a friendly spirit and whatever the results of the game will be, we'll :beer: when it's over.

What little I can tell you about the opposition

Team Doughnut

DaveShack
zyxy
vikingruler
Tomoyo - Hasn't played GOTM since GOTM39 but was ranked 65 GPR at the time. Very good at MM'ing. Loves the discussion. Top quality player.
Bootstoots - has a thing for yellow boots (don't ask)
Octavian_X
Tboy
WarDance
gert-janl
dl123654
Kiech
Zorn
Nobody
Kuningas - ranked 17 in GOTM Very strong player.

Team TNT

Double Stack
Strider
greekguy
vbraun
Bismark2990
TimBentley - Very Strong player Bede nd Bugsy have played games with him IIRC
Xerol - Isn't this the guy that is collecting all of the shields and ambulances in gotm? hasn't played since GOTM42 but is ranked 114
MjM
JosefStalinator
donsig
Ulyaoth
Provolution
Gunner
mvp

Team M.I.A.

Black_Hole
CivGeneral - good unit creator...
classical_hero
Emp. Napoleon
Meleager
fe3333au
Naimyth
azzaman333
ybbor
Kentharu
Spud Boy
squirrelz rulez
BigNHuge
Fallensmith
Observer (lurker): peter grimes

Kuningas is the only one for which I know has beaten Sid. And not just beaten, he achieved Huge Domination before 1000AD. :worship:

Many has been said about Tomoyo, I just wanted to add something. In every single poll thread, I agreed with him. So the two of us have a very simmilar style. He's Deity now, too, I think.

Team Donut may be the strongest on paper. But we still have the only QM here :D

Here are my three cents worth (Thanks Mistfit for posting the full list. Love the banner too)

Team Doughnut

DaveShack
zyxy
vikingruler
Tomoyo - Top quality player.
Bootstoots
Octavian_X
Tboy
WarDance
gert-janl
dl123654 - adequate player. not particularly strong at anything, but not weak anywhere
Kiech
Zorn
Nobody
Kuningas - predator killer. one of the very best out there

Team TNT

Double Stack
Strider - haven't seen him for awhile.
greekguy
vbraun - more than adequate
Bismark2990
TimBentley - Very Strong player
Xerol
MjM
JosefStalinator
donsig
Ulyaoth
Provolution
Gunner
mvp

Team M.I.A.

Black_Hole
CivGeneral - good unit creator...'nuff said
classical_hero
Emp. Napoleon
Meleager
fe3333au
Naimyth
azzaman333
ybbor
Kentharu
Spud Boy
squirrelz rulez
BigNHuge - enthusiastic. no "big picture" as romeo would say
Fallensmith
Observer (lurker): peter grimes[/QUOTE]

Honorable fellow Citizens

I will hereby announce my entry to the proud nation of CGN, and offer my full loyalty and the extent of my services.
My key area is military intelligence and detail military planning for assymetric warfare operations, and I am honored to be invited by Micco.

Yours Truly

Provolution This was posted after CFC was bounced from the intersite demogame. I realize I'm a little dense but can someone tell how asymetrical warfare works? :lol: F3 intelligence?

I've played with Tim Bentley and he is a solid player. I think his biggest negative is he is not very persuasive in his views.

Team Donut will be dangerous and I think DaveShack was president during the last demogame.

Good stuff. It might be that experience with the mechanics of pbem/demos will be of some use. I don't really know them so I'm unsure of which mistakes to make, but I'm sure there's some. Teams with knowledge of this play form will be dangerous.

Edit: I changed the thread name cause I belive that it shows in non-private main page. Mistake 1 and counting :lol:
Edit: Doesn't seem to work. Anyone knows how to :hmm:

Idiot Lurker's Comment: I would definitely rate team doughnut as your biggest competition, skill-wise. Tomoyo, dl123654, Kuningas, and Zorn are top/good players. Medium skill is zxzy, wardance, and dave shack.

TNT will be the most interesting, diplomatically and MIA, weakest of the 4 teams...diplomatic strategy will be huge in this game.

I believe a lot of intelligence can be discovered about our competition from F11 and should be watched closely. With some deductive reason we should be able to tell some things like did they irrigate or mine, did they build a road, have they started cranking settlers or workers etc
Here's Bamspeedy's article about the topic.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37033

My thoughts:

Team Doughnut

DaveShack - Solid player
zyxy
vikingruler
Tomoyo - Solid
Bootstoots
Octavian_X
Tboy
WarDance
gert-janl
dl123654 - Presently playing in LK-CIV. Weak decision making.
Kiech
Zorn
Nobody
Kuningas - Sir Pleb level player

Team TNT

Double Stack
Strider - Bebe and I played FRFR Revisited with him before his accident. Good strategist.
greekguy
vbraun - When I played VB2 with him, he was OK. Not a dependable team player.
Bismark2990
TimBentley - Solid
Xerol
MjM
JosefStalinator
donsig
Ulyaoth
Provolution
Gunner
mvp

Team M.I.A.

Black_Hole
CivGeneral - Is a demo game veteran, not that that matters much.
classical_hero
Emp. Napoleon
Meleager
fe3333au
Naimyth
azzaman333
ybbor
Kentharu
Spud Boy
squirrelz rulez
BigNHuge - Concur with Bede
Fallensmith
Observer

Tubby deserves a promotion!! He has really stirred up some bad blood. Daghie you'll love some of these.

It seems after CFC lost out in the Intersite Demogame some team members have some serious bitterness towards each other. Here is the latest dialogue between Provolution aka "K" and Classical Hero regarding the "late save".

I know our dear friend Classical Hero smelled blood over our unfortunate delay, and want us punished for this very slight miscommunication and slight delay. I think the punishment
is the stress to get the turn played, plus all the vicious attacks in aftermath seeking to maximize the damage after delayed turns in order to tilt gamebalance.

What can I say, delays happen for IRL, and human reasons. However, our 12-18-24 hour "time stamp definition moratorium system" was made as a result of it, in order to make things happen. I think some common courtesy and patience should be in place as teams are hammering out internal rules, procedures and institutions on the fly.

Please, do not make a big mention of this delay, Classical Hero, you made your point, but now you are bordering on making this go to far. The UN Moderators did a good job, a warning was given, and I am certain Classical Hero will use this warning diplomatically later or in other trials. We on the other hand, are more human and understanding in the first 20 turns or so, so we get the game flying in one piece.
Here's some comments from K when asked whether participants would join other sites for the finals after CFC lost in the ISDG.
just want to join a non-timid, non-politically correct team culture with a gung-ho, die hard culture if I will ever play one again. If I even sense a small hint of wimpyness, conventionalism and conservatism, I join another team that is a better culture for me


I am willing, since being there from the beginning is key to the gaming experience.
I am tired by having "veterans" mocking quite potent plans just to lose out later, after having spent some 10 pages of hyperscript to keep you down. Brutal dictatorships never win DG's, and I was happy when turn 125 came around, but would have preferred a landing IMMEDIATELY after the UN ruling expired. However, I am very pleased to have served under Rik, truly the Golden Age of Fanatica. We did a lot with a very little.


I suggest we play this to our benefit.

He was preaty a pain in the ___ when we had to deal with him as the minister of foreing affairs with CFC.

He realy has a very high oppinion of his own diplomatic talent and is racist towards different cultures (he's been banned from CFC a couple of time)

Depending if he is in charge of diplomacy for his team, it should not be difficult to turn another team againt his.

Tubby deserves a promotion!! I was pretty pleased when classic_hero took off on K. I've never dealt with either before. Apparently I just stirred an old pile of dung.

I just noticed that there was a rule and was curious what enforecement there was of it.

It'd be would great if they were on the same continent!!

Friendly, but firm remark: Member-specific posts are not welcomed here on the CFC forum. As long as this thread is about in-game strategy and the Civ-playing-skills of team-members of other teams, I can tolerate it.

When this threads starts (continues) heading in the direction of selecting a member to complain about/make fun of, then this thread will cease to exist quickly and the people who made it go that way can enjoy a few days holiday. Don't make me spoil the game for you.

I didn't mean anything about anyone personally. I was just stating that apparently there seems to be some bad blood between the 2 presidents of the 2 teams and I had (accidentally) stirred it up. PLEASE, if I had said anything to elicit a "Moderator Action", tell me so I know not to do it again. I'd hate to cause this team to go under when we are functioning so well as an anarchy (go figure :crazyeye: )

TR: If the mod-comment was directed at a single poster; that poster's name would have been mentioned. It wasn't, so the post was directed at all.

I sensed this thread is in danger of going into a direction that is not wanted. It's my task to keep this part of the forum in line with the forum rules. Thus I step in and let everyone know that it's ok to discuss the civ-skills of teammembers of other teams, but it is not ok to single individuals out to make fun of them or complain about them.

Please notice the color of the mod tags. Blue and green are advisory colors, Moderator-red is a warning (or worse). I've used blue for the intension of "guidance" and "advise".

Please continue the assessment of the Civ-qualities and PBEM qualities of other teams and their teammembers. But refrain from commenting on the non-civ characteristics of individuals.

:salute: 10-4 good buddy. I didn't realize the different mod colors meant different things. Thanks for info.

:salute: 10-4 good buddy. I didn't realize the different mod colors meant different things. Thanks for info.
Same here. That's interesting.

Got it Rik. Quoting them is ok but making personal disparaging remarks about them are not.

BTW Killercane should be added as another very solid player for doughnut. His HOF finishes have been fantastic. How did we let him slip through?

My intention when starting this thread was/is to get a grip on who we're up against. We understand the programming of AI reasonably well but this is different so I figure this "mapping" might help us. If two players are in some sort of conflict and we know it, that's good for us and sound intelligence, but we shall keep it at identifying this and ponder on how we might use it and leave personal remarks out. I don't think this will be a problem for us.

I think knowing the various personalities we are dealing with is valuable intelligence. Sort of like knowing that Xerxes is a brat and will start a fight even if out numbered 10 to 1. Having bad blood between two opposing civs can work to our advantage. I just caution that we must be very careful in attempting to exploit it. We're dealing with humans not the AI.

I have it on reliable information that Capt. Buttkick is on Team TNT ~ I have lurked and played with him on SGOTM XTeam ~ He's another strong player and a very good tactitian (or however that is spelled) He's very good at the #'s of the game. Figuring out build orders and setting up unconventional settler factories.

Edit:
OH yeah and he mentioned in an open thread that the name of their capitol is "Dancing Bananna"

We are really getting these guys riled up. It seems we have a tit for tat again because Classical Hero didn't post sending us the save. This is getting comical.
Rule Proposal for turn progression.
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6.5 Turn Reporting

Every time a team completes a turn, the team should notify that the save has been sent to the next team in line in the "Turn Tracker". This rule should be considered as important as the 24 hour rule, in order to sustain same rule.
I suppose if RegentMan says to take a vote we vote...."yes"?

Yes.......

@Whopie
Affirmative :-)))

This is starting to look useful. I will do an update in #1 post in a couple o days. Good work fellow spies. Who will be first promo to veteran???

I noticed that DaveShack is getting fed up with the bickeringI really don't see any purpose in getting obsessive about turnaround time, on a turn by turn basis. The point is to avoid a chronic problem, not to make a big deal about individual turns.

A lot has to do with when the previous team's save is received. For example, a turnplayer might only have a 2 hour window per day when s/he can play. If the preceeding team delivers a turn right at the end of that 2 hour window, there is not much can be done but wait 22 hours till the beginning of the next window. If this happens every day then that team should be encouraged to have a backup turnplayer on a different schedule, but if it only happens once then why bother to make it an issue? All of us who have used computers more than a few years have had system problems now and then, again no point in making a big deal of it. I live in a place with seasonal thunderstorms and could lose power for several hours, that would also be something which should get respect from the other teams. I checked and I only started the thread. The rest came from them. Diplomacy later in the game will be very interesting. :devil:

Wow. Thank the Lord I ended up with this happy band of anarchists. :thanx:

I could have been randomly assigned to a different group; :twitch: This is better :D

Is Classical Hero on one of the opposing teams? If so he's over at CDZ lurking for intel -



http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads10/intel.jpg

Tell Tomoyo not to let him in :D

Wow Mistfit!! I can grant access too. :hmm:

It seems Classical is looking to see how Tomoyo and I are doing in our PBEM. He will be severely disappointed considering I'm spanking the Russian Ag civ in score and our team is beating on them across the board.

Also Provo is making a huge deal out of the turntracker thing.

I hope people understand this more than they condemn me for "bureaucracy". It has to be this way.The diplomacy war has begun.

Classical Hero has requested access to the CDZ private forum.....I guess I should let him in. :hmm:

Now Provo & classic are bickering over Rambuchan. How old are they again?

I vote "no" for having a penalty for forgetting to post in the Turn Tracker thread...I almost forgot last time. :mischief:

I think I'm missing something. Where is all the intel regarding the two disputants coming from?

The "Rule Proposal" and signup threads. I think those are the only ones...oh, and the Turntracker.

You will be a great asset to our team, and we already got some great contributors inside, and no shortsighted ones with no vision to struggle with to create long range, comprehensive plansLong range??? are they already planning out Modern Era tech route? :lol: Is a comprehensive plan the same as "asymmetrical warfare"?

Since he deleted his previous caustic posts to Tubby I think this dialogue should be posted. My thoughts at this point are that all conversations with Provo cease until we meet in diplo. Though I don't like how he talked to Tubby I see zero upside talking to him. What do you all think?

TeamTNT hereby complains that Team Dougnut has not posted within the 24 hour limit, now this should be taken seriously, given previous slack we have given repeated to this team. I hope the UN moderators deal with this.I hear your complaint and have notified them of it, and of a suggested solution to fix this in the future.What slack??? D'Nut & KISS have been the most consistent. If I recall team TNT was the only team to go beyond the time limit. You haven't given any slack to any other team but have requested it for yourself. Sheeesh.
Most consistent ? Except for ONE incident, TNT has been punctual, so no double crossing here. Tubby, Doughnut has gone past the deadline several times. I am not complaining about KISS, so you better let the Doughnuts talk for themselves. And that "Sheesh" word....Or.........
or... you confuse your role as a team member of which team.

That's fine. I figured that I should shut up anyway. I just like getting him riled up. I'll stop replying to his non-sense. And I probably deserved his snap back at me. I'll just go look at some numbers and come up with something.

Sorry guys if I've ruined our reputation with the other teams.

You gained some with team D'nut :)

Sorry guys if I've ruined our reputation with the other teams.
You probably just said what the others (except for Provo's team) would like to say, so I doubt if there's any harm done. OTOH, I do agree with Whomp that we probably shouldn't have conversations with him except for diplo. It would just contribute to flame wars and be a nuisance for RegentMan and GingerAle. Still, I'd just LOVE to tell him what I really think of his attitude (but I will refrain). :p

Tubby I didn't want to imply that you did anything wrong. It's what should've been done. As far as I can tell every team has their rep intact except TNT.

With that said we are fast approaching a point where diplo is on the horizon. His antics will not be forgotten by anyone. My guess is whomever is on the opposite continent will discuss the goal of destruction of TNT whether it's us or the other two teams.

BTW this is not my decision to make for everyone on this team it's simply my opinion. If people think he should be put in check like Tubby did then so be it. My preference is to let our game do the talking.

Tubby I didn't want to imply that you did anything wrong. It's what should've been done. As far as I can tell every team has their rep intact except TNT.

With that said we are fast approaching a point where diplo is on the horizon. His antics will not be forgotten by anyone. My guess is whomever is on the opposite continent will discuss the goal of destruction of TNT whether it's us or the other two teams.

BTW this is not my decision to make for everyone on this team it's simply my opinion. If people think he should be put in check like Tubby did then so be it. My preference is to let our game do the talking.I might not have said anything wrong this time but I will eventually. I don't subscribe to being PC. Stupid peolpe need to be told they are stupid before they do something that will get them a ranking on the darwin awards. I hated the fact that he was implying that D'nut had been late before when it was just he who was impatient. As I recall the only two times a turn was late was when he "broke his keyboard" and this time when I guess D'nut is in turn-player transition. I really hate it when people mis-represent the facts (or downright lie) to benefit themselves, and this time I wasn't going to let him get away with it....

BUT.....since I haven't been elected (in an ararchy is any elected??) to be our official diplomatic spinner then I will limit my conversation in the main forum to just turn tracker talk.

With that said we are fast approaching a point where diplo is on the horizon. His antics will not be forgotten by anyone. My guess is whomever is on the opposite continent will discuss the goal of destruction of TNT whether it's us or the other two teams. This is exactly what we should be cautious about. If TNT is on our cont, we shall only whack them when and if it serves our pupouses, not cause one member is a nuciance. Sooner or later we will hopefully speak up with that SoD.

I agree that we'll need to do what's best for our game, but it would give me great delight to give him a whack. Ya really gotta wonder if the rest of his team finds him to be an embarrassment to them. :mischief:

For those of you without instant notification on the turn-tracker thread (Rik deleted all of the extraneous posts) here is the last message on the topic at hand...Ok, so this isn't a discussion thread -- but the prior incident you're referring to (one incident, not repeated) related to a turn which came to us incorrectly, and I gave advance warning that there might be a problem with that turn. Look more closely and you will see it was delivered within the time limit of receiving the corrected save... :rolleyes:

The other "incident" you might be referring to when I posted that more time might be required related to the utility issue -- which was resolved in a manner which meant that there were no actual delays.
....just for posterity

Thanks, Tubby! I just hate missing out on things. :D

Don't worry Tubby, we expect numbers geeks to be socially akward when dealing with others ;)

You did fine.

TEAM DOUGHNUT, ARGH you sent us the Team Doughnut save, your save, we want the one we should play. Is there too much uranium in those doughnuts Homer ?
Regentman and Ginger Ale, open that save and see we are correct. More bad karma is produced :) . Cool dudes stay :cool: , pop techs and build settlers, right?

More bad karma is produced :) . Cool dudes stay :cool: , pop techs and build settlers, right?
Actually, he got a chuckle out of me. I didn't see that as being rude. Just a joke.

Yeah but stuff like that doesn't sit well when a couple of turns ago he was trying to get disciplinary action against the tasty round pasties. mmmmmm.... donuts.

True. That's true.

If he would've limited to send the correct save and the uranium thing it would've been fine. However he had to add the capital letters and be a tattle tale. That is what would tee me off if I was Homer.

As the saying goes you attract more bees with honey than poop.

Here in Maine it's vinegar. ;)

In Chicago we use a little stronger word but vinegar works. :D
Man, I can't wait for some diplo.

It seems Provo is recruiting from Civ Gaming Network (CGN) to his team.
He's playing on CGN for the Intersite demogame that's running.

I wonder if those people know what they are getting into as far as diplomacy? :mischief:

I wonder if those people know what they are getting into as far as diplomacy? :mischief:
Perhaps they're planning to play a defiant variant? Rudeness would seem to work perfectly with that. :p

Maybe there's actually a 5th team playing the Silent variant! :eek:

Hmm, I wonder if there'll be anyway to add teams after a game's started in Civ IV. :hmm:

Maybe they have a plan to irritate the opponents.

And they are doing a fine job:

UN and Moderator, failure to submit the CORRECT save is sanctionable, and Team TNT will file a complaint at 24 hours if this is not sent in time. Any Team Doughnut member can make sure the correct save is sent.

So what happens when we get to the 20th century and a turn takes 30 hours to play because we are removing a stupid team from the face of the civ world in one turn?

So what happens when we get to the 20th century and a turn takes 30 hours to play because we are removing a stupid team from the face of the civ world in one turn? Right on Bugs! I'm sure the rules will extend as we move to a IA.

So what happens when we get to the 20th century and a turn takes 30 hours to play because we are removing a stupid team from the face of the civ world in one turn?
:rotfl: If we state our purpous in advance me might be cut some slack :rotfl:

Is there such a thing as cultural flip in a multi-team demo game? Or in this case, maybe not culture, but class. If we can guess TNT's governing structure, maybe we can encourage cities or reagions to defect to our cool dude way. After all, everboyd wants to be part of the cool crowd :cool: Getting TNTites to go from there to here may be an easy sell :)

Team Doughnut-IROQUOIS

DaveShack
zyxy
vikingruler
Tomoyo - Top quality player.
Bootstoots
Octavian_X
Tboy
WarDance
gert-janl
dl123654 ok. average. not too brilliant.
Kiech
Zorn
Nobody
Kuningas - agree with the "killer predator" watch out.
admiral-bell
Robi D
magnusmarcus
killercane - Top player. weak on time reliability.
Icmancin
Civman2004

Team TNT-PERSIANS

Double Stack
Strider
greekguy
vbraun - lurked him some. pulled in some very nifty moves.
Bismark2990
TimBentley - very powerful
Xerol - seems above average.
MjM - played with him. ok. will follow orders with some creativity. could become a wildcard.
JosefStalinator
donsig
Ulyaoth
Provolution <- never played with. we now all know why.
Gunner
mvp
CoolioVonHoolio <- played with. still learning. has patience problems.
Scaevola
Danheg
mrkingkong
deo
Observer (lurker)

Team M.I.A.-GREEKS

Black_Hole
CivGeneral
classical_hero <- veteran of the babe thread. has a very solid rep.
Emp. Napoleon
Meleager
fe3333au - solid. IIRC a warmonger, and above average.
Naimyth
azzaman333
ybbor
Kentharu
Spud Boy
squirrelz rulez
BigNHuge - played with. good player, good tactics, bad strategy.
Fallensmith
Chamnix
peter grimes
enter`name`here
General_W
Rambuchan

TNT is about to get a lot better. Theoden has requested them.

TNT is about to get a lot better. Theoden has requested them.
I've never come across him in my readings here. Are you being serious or ironic? :confused:

I've never come across him in my readings here. Are you being serious or ironic? :confused:
whomp is so very serious.
theoden is a threat of national level.
we should establish the TIA (Theoden Intel Agency) for counter measures and whatnot.

the only upside is is that hes with "them" guys.
maybe he chose the hated underdog team as hes looking or a challenge?

theoden is a threat of national level.

maybe he chose the hated underdog team as hes looking or a challenge?
Well, I saw in the SG forum that Sir Bugsy is looking for more challenge. Be careful what you wish for? :hmm: :lol:

Theoden has two articles in the War Academy. He's got game. I wouldn't be surprised if he puts a lid on "Provo"cative.

Theodens two articles were about game mechanics, and I've never lurked one of his SG's (if he's played in one) nor seen a story game of his, nor tracked his gotm goodness. I don't know about his skill.

Kuningas IMO should be feared the most. Conquer a huge sid pangaea at 800 AD and you're good. Tomoyo I don't know about. I guess he's beaten a couple deity games.

Btw, gmaharriet, AnsarKing wants to start an AWM game, don't know if he's PMed you though, wondering if you were interested. Maybe I'll convince him to bump it to AWE.

I wouldn't be surprised if he puts a lid on "Provo"cative.
Well, somebody should. It really seems a shame to be po'd at an entire team because of a single member. Of course, OTOH, I guess the team elected him, so they're ultimately responsible for his behavior. :rolleyes:

I'd never looked at any of the Demo game forums before, but out of curiousity I read a couple of threads to see how Provo sounds in what I would expect to be a cooperative effort. From what I saw, he's not much better under those conditions.

Recommended reading

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=115402

2. Why did not anyone protest before on my communication with your teams, you know, you could have easily replaced me anytime?
2) There was no need to replace you, because as much as we disliked how you said things you provided us with a 1 way stream of information. Also it would have been a diplomatic nightmare to tell the assigned diplomat they are no longer wanted. In short we put up with you because you said the right things about the game, just in a very wrong way and with a LOT of baggage.
This is a conversation after it is clear that the CFC-team will be ditched inte inter site game.

This strenghtens my opinion that we should do everything to keep him as the TNT diplomat.
The link above from Whompie leads to some very interesting reading which I was not familiar with. After going through some posts I see a picture where, certain elements, of TNT and Nuts are preparing for a re-match. Therefore I'm convinced that they will definetly :hammer: eachother very soon if they're not at it already. Our alliance with MIA should without doubt continue.

Recommended reading

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=115402That still hurts, Whomp. :( Even after 6 months. We failed it in Diplomacy; not being able to assure CDZ & CGN we were the better team. The only time CBR was nice in Diplo...

That still hurts, Whomp. :( Even after 6 months. We failed it in Diplomacy; not being able to assure CDZ & CGN we were the better team. The only time CBR was nice in Diplo...
Rik my intent was not to hurt you. Everything I've read leads me to believe CFC was at its best when you led the team. However, I think it is important for our team to get a better understanding of what happens in these type of games. We are relatively new to the human to human element but our team has some exceptionally skilled players. I think we are learning the human to human aspect of this game.

I wonder what they'd say about us if they did a list like that.
"Beorn - Good tactics but overall ignorant screw-up, might hopefully lead them to stupid plans that'll lose the game"

Whomp - goes under many aliases Whomper, Panda Boy, Whompee...once screwed up the ToE so bad in a SG that he ended up with fascism as his free tech. Major League Idiot.

Whomp - goes under many aliases Whomper, Panda Boy, Whompee...once screwed up the ToE so bad in a SG that he ended up with fascism as his free tech. Major League Idiot.:eek: I want a link to that SG !!! :D

Rik--you and Bede were the trainers!! :p :lol:

Trikos zero science (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2639208#post2639208)

Tubby Rower - manages to mine food bonuses in despotism :D

Wonderful disclosure. I love it. Cause for a new thread of course, albeit not a sticky one :D

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Rik--you and Bede were the trainers!! :p :lol:

Trikos zero science (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2639208#post2639208) :blush: I didn't realise you were in that game. Sorry.

:lol:
Rik's conclusion: Not a very good start whomp. :(
(http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2545119&postcount=461) <- click link.

And that was before you got you ToE moment. In fact; it was your only trade in the game. Too bad you didn't get a chance to trade so I could examine it again. (this is not irony, I mean it). The only way to learn is to do it and someone pointing out to you what can be improved.

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:lol: I forgot about that game... I lurked it quite frequently. Mostly just to see Rik Stomp on peoples trades.

soul warrior - talks in jive. barely understood but thats ok, since he has mostly daft ideas :D

Since this thread is about victims, has anyone taken action in the Perfection hitman project?

Since this thread is about victims, has anyone taken action in the Perfection hitman project? My fear is there will be teams that dogpile us simply because of Perfection.

Teams dogpile us? I'm not scared, cause we've got 2 of the magnificent 7+1 :D (3 if dman joins).

Thou needeth learnt wisdom and patience, young padawan. The Perfection hitman project would be great in destructive power indeed, one way and (dangerously) the other, and could plunge us in pvp AW.

Twas joking around.

What is this Perfection sceme?