Nominate a person to be President.

I will not accpet any nominations for President while I am Team Captain.

I do not want to be ... in fact I'd be happy with a small diplomatic posting atm ... However I would support the following if they put forward their candidacy ...

>Emp Napoleon, as he expressed an interest in captain position.
>ybbor, our resident artist, as a reward for all the work he has done for creating the MIA identity

But if more than 1 want the position we must vote ...

ybbor, our resident artist, as a reward for all the work he has done for creating the MIA identity

cannot atm, do not the ability to play the save

Which other Founders have experience playing earlier demogames, and which do not?

I would like the first President to have experience.

Which other Founders have experience playing earlier demogames, and which do not?

I would like the first President to have experience.

I have little experience in demogames and would rather not be the president.

I don't think I'd be good, but I'd like a lower position, this is my first Demogame, but I have gotten wins on Demigod and play on Diety now. If their is a lower position, message me so I can throw my hat into the race for it.

I don't think I'd be good, but I'd like a lower position, this is my first Demogame, but I have gotten wins on Demigod and play on Diety now. If their is a lower position, message me so I can throw my hat into the race for it.


iF you have been reading "drafting a constitution" thread, you would see there' also the following positions:
Team Captain Domestic Minister Defense Minister Foreign Minister Diplomats

I will not accpet any nominations for President while I am Team Captain.

well, once you we hold elections for President, you won't be team cptain. you're only actingas one until we get a constitution going :p

that being said, I nominate classical_hero

I do want to put Naepolean up to the ticket :).

I do want to put Naepolean up to the ticket :).

napolean's gone until the 10th

In the interest of getting things rolling, I nominate CivGeneral for President and Classical Hero for Team Captain. These two nominees seem the most important to get rolling on, so bring on the debate!

I also move to put the Constitution - as it stands right now in the thread - to a poll. We should get these things done; we can always amend later.

Have just added Article V regarding game actions which require a citizen vote ... so add that to the vote (if it hasn't been posted yet ... ;)

:clap: this game is a most enjoyable concept :D

Regarding voting ... I assumed that Classical_Hero was Team Captain for 1 term by default ... however if ratification necessary 1 vote from me ...

President ... if the Emp is on sabitical than I second CivGeneral

Can I also suggest that we have a sticky created where we have absentee announcements just of M.I.A. ...

If you guys want me to be the President, then I will step down from being Team Captain. Remember, it does not matter that you have previous DG experience.

If you guys want me to be the President, then I will step down from being Team Captain. Remember, it does not matter that you have previous DG experience.

I really would like to see you as President

Thanks for the nominations and the confidence of the people to have me run for president. I would have to decline this nomination since I am already running in another office :).

i second C_H for president you've been a great team captain so far

Nominations for term two start.

I might as well nominate my self and accept.

No person may hold the same elected office 2 terms in a row or hold more than 1 office at the same time, except in cases where the position would otherwise not be filled.

That said; I nominate fe3333au for President, his work has been too important for us to just give him a ministry which will most likely see very little action.

That said; I nominate fe3333au for President, his work has been too important for us to just give him a ministry which will most likely see very little action.
I thought that meant that you could hold two terms and then have to vacate the office. :blush:

Ill go with the guy with the symbol for iron ;).

Erm, I thought you can only run for one office and cant run in the same office again :confused:.
Read Ybbors post.

Quite odd that I just found that out seconds ago and edited my post just a few seconds after responding to mines ;).

I was going to nominate Emp, but he is running for a separate position, so fe seems to be good.

I was going to nominate Emp, but he is running for a separate position, so fe seems to be good.

I thought about it, but I cannot play the turn at school, and I cannot take a obligation for that constant commitment :p plus I got this nasty thing called a eagle scout project, so maybe next round.

I thought about it, but I cannot play the turn at school, and I cannot take a obligation for that constant commitment :p plus I got this nasty thing called a eagle scout project, so maybe next round.
Oh sorry to hear that Emp I was going to nominate you :sad: ...

I too cannot commit to Prez this term due to problems with my bloody computer issues ... which will be addressed in the near future

However nominate jbbor since his captainancy was superb ... he was firm yet fair, familiar without fraternising :goodjob:

However nominate jbbor since his captainancy was superb ... he was firm yet fair, familiar without fraternising :goodjob:
jbbor? I don't remember granting him access! ;) It must be a soft j.

:lol: Thanks Mr. Admin :salute: ybbor is what I meant ... also I don't think that there is anything to stop someone nominating for more than one position and then choosing which they want after a vote

Eg. X wants to serve the team and runs for 2 Ministerial Positions and then accepts 1 ... or do they go into 2 elections and then choose ???

However nominate jbbor since his captainancy was superb ... he was firm yet fair, familiar without fraternising :goodjob:


acting on behalf of this citizen of MIA, i would have to decline his nomination. As he would have to go through too much rigamorale to DL the save, then upload it, and has the inability to post (acurate) screenshots.

Looks like nobody wants this job... I'd like to nominate General W - he joined the team late, but his comments have been clear, even-handed, and insightful, and I think he would make a fine president.

Thank you Chamnix!

I fear I'm woefully inexperienced in Demogames - but I'm starting to get the hang of it.
I'll accept only if no-one more experienced would like the job.

If elected, I'd be the humble servant of this glorious team!

EDIT: (I have played a lot of PBEM games - so I do have experience with that end of things. Mostly Monarch level - now playing on Emp.)

A candidate may be nominated for more than one post, but may only run in one election (as I read it). Therefore, it may be wisest not to decline OR accept a nomination until the last possible hour, at which point you can choose which office to run for.

Term three nominations have started. So nominate who you think will be a good President.

Keep in mind, this person must be very active, able to play the save every day.

:bump:

Classical_Hero are you interested? or ybbor?

One thing I would like all future presidents to keep the level of summary and reporting that has been given to us by General_W

I agree with that (as a blind mac)... General_W's efforts in the State of the Empire thread have really been useful.

On a related topic, I would like to see each President start a new thread for their term. I know that the info is supposed to be archived in the Save Info thread, but I think there are good reasons to stop that.

1. When trying to locate an old screenshot, or chatlog, or comment concerning the save, it will become increasinly tedious to slog through dozens, then hundreds, then thousands of posts, spread over scores of pages in the save thread. By dividing the saves among the presidents, we have discreet 'eras', making it faster and easier to find what you're looking for.

2. The Presidents thread (Term 3, or 4 or whatever) will remain at the top of the page due to recent activity. It could be stickied, but I don't think it needs to be. I would unsticky the old save thread.

I know there may be resistance to this idea. Maybe each President should organize their summaries in a way they see fit? I'll post questions for candidates later.

I'll think about it. I'm not sure if I want this post or go fo another post.

What about General_W ? ... apparently we don't have term restrictions anymore ...

I'm surprised no one has done this sooner - so obvious it didn't get noticed!

I nominate
General_W

What about General_W ? ... apparently we don't have term restrictions anymore ...
I will nominate him for this post.

i second General_W!!! great job with the state of the empire!!
are there to many !!!! in this?

I'm honored by the nominations and compliments.
Thank you.

I accept the nomination. I'll be happy to serve a second term if that's what the team wants.

If there is someone else that would like a crack at this job – I don't want to intimidate them though – so please don't hesitate to speak up if you want a turn in the president's chair!

My Platform:
1) Continue the State of the Empire updates.
(I will continue dual posting – 1 in the stickied Save info thread , and 1 in a "2nd term State of the Empire" thread… to keep my first term's updates separate and preserved for future reference)

2) Work with the new Ministers to continue the practice of posting clear instructions in the instructions thread.
(This seems to be working very well – and is a big help to me as I try to play the saves as the team wants)

3) I will faithfully execute the orders of the ministers
(except where there is a conflict: in which case I will follow what I perceive to the team consensus, if applicable.)

4) I will abide by our current treaties with the KISS, and will not sack any undefended cities (or attack lone settlers/workers) without full approval and declaration of war.
(Previously we had talked about authorizing the president to do these things (as, if you take the time to poll the team, the opportunity to take the action would be lost.) However, it is now my position that our treaty with KISS precludes such an action. It wouldn't be honorable)

Long live MIA!
:salute:

i will nominate myself. i

I think General W's platform is pretty clearly spelled out. I'd like to hear Azzaman's platform:

How will you present information from the play of the turn to those of us who are unable to open the save?

If Defense wants the curragh to go north, and Foreign wants it to go south, how will you decide which way to move?

How do you view the issue of how to handle an undefended settler we may encounter? What if that unit is from Kiss? What if the unit is named 'Provo's personal worker' ;)?

I would think that it is for Defence to decide as he is the one how has control over the units, not foreign.

My Platform

If i see undefended units, i will give the team at least 12 hours to vote for or against an attack. If there is a 3/5 majority for war, we will attack.

I will present the infomation each turn with at least 1 screenshot, normally more. I will try to be as descriptive as possible, and i will use Civ Assist 2 to give us a greater understanding of what is happening in and near our empire.

If there is a conflict of interests between ministers, 1 of 3 things might happen. 1 is that the higher ranking official's decision is used. 2 is the more relevent minister's descion is used. 3 is the idea which has more support is used.

If i see undefended units, i will give the team 12 hours to vote for or against an attack. If there is a 2/3 majority for war, we will attack.

while a great platform, it's unconstitutional

while a great platform, it's unconstitutional

We cant hold the save for 48 hours just so we can poll whether we want war. Would you rather it if we just attacked without at least some form of consent from the people?

BTW, i edited my post above to change some of the numbers

I'd assume that the power of the Foreign Ministry would be brought into any pre-emptive action against neighbours and that words not blades would be initiated first ...

I would not attack without the support of the people of MIA, if that is what you are asking.

Seems like there was a bit of hashing-it-out on the question of an undefended worker or settler... Fair enough. That's a really tough issue, and that's why there was an entire week-long debate about whether or not to amend the Constitution so that the options available to the President would be clearly spelled out.

As to Azzaman's response to the 'conflict of orders' question, there is one thing I'd like cleared up:

If there is a conflict of interests between ministers, 1 of 3 things might happen. 1 is that the higher ranking official's decision is used...

I understand your 2nd and 3rd scenarios [and they are very sound positions, I must add], but I'm not sure I understand the one about the higher-ranking official.

Does this mean the official who is closer to the President in the Chain of Command? As I understand our heirarchy, all of the elected officials are practically equal under the President (excepting the appointed Diplomats). Will you treat the power structure differently?--- It's not necissarily illegal if you change things, just how you change things.

Yeah good point ... as the higher ranking Minister who is directly under me :lol:

However I'd say that ultimately the President must make that decision ... thats what he is paid for ... listen to all sides and make your own choice ...

If it is against the will of the people ... well I guess you won't be voted president again without a very substantial bribe ... ;)

The nominations for Term 4 is hearby open :)

i nominate GeneralW ... his easy to read reporting is essential ...

All other nominations must state what level of reporting they will be using

I like to see a contest, and choose between two or more candidates. I nominate Classical_Hero

May the most apt President win!

Not to spoil Peter's contest - but If Classical Hero would like the job - I'd like to run for something other than president.

(if no one want's the job, I'll continue to serve - that's how I got this job the first time! :lol:)

So I second the Nomination for Classical_Hero!

So if I were to run as President, would that mean I have to give up my ambassadorial position?

Also I will be going on holidays for one week in six days time.

I have not made up my mind yet.

anyone can be an ambassador ... it is up to the new FM

What about you Chamnix?

Interested in being the Top Banana?

I'll officially nominate you for President!

- you proved yourself more-than-able when you took over while I was gone!

If chamnix runs then he should be president.

It looks like General_W nominated me for 2 different positions :hmm:

I don't know what I will do just yet, but I know I will not run for President unless I get better at screenshots - please ignore these pictures, I am just practicing to see if I can even handle the job before I decide...

Southern view:
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/9103/turn51southern1fz.th.jpg (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=turn51southern1fz.jpg)
Athens:
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/9530/athens2sj.th.jpg (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=athens2sj.jpg)
City Placement:
http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/9044/cityplacement47yh.th.jpg (http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cityplacement47yh.jpg)

It looks like General_W nominated me for 2 different positions you mean you DON'T want to take over the whole team?!?

Looks like you're doing fine with screenshots - if you want help, I'll be happy to e-mail you all my secrets. (or post them in my Presidential Update thread for everyone).

I figgured I'd just nominate you for two posts and let you see which one you'd rather run for!

Let the races begin!

Damn those a nice screenshots :mischief: ... very presidential in presentation ;)

Looks like you're doing fine with screenshots - if you want help, I'll be happy to e-mail you all my secrets. (or post them in my Presidential Update thread for everyone).

General_W - do you use a template for your updates? I use a .txt file that has all of the units listed, enclosed in their [bold] tags. I copy that file and paste it into my instructions for the president post, and then I add text as needed for specific instructions. I had always assumed you did a similar thing, but I'd like to hear specifics, if you don't mind. Your presentation of this information is excellent, and I can only assume that you have refined this 'template' over many years.

OK, I have decided to accept the nomination for President. As I see it, the President has 3 distinct responsibilities:

1. He must play the save. While this is not particularly difficult, we need a President who checks in often, and I qualify. I will definitely continue the Instructions to the President thread so I can faithfully follow Ministers' instructions.

2. He must provide information to the team regarding the save. Although I don't know if anyone can match General_W's outstanding posts for both information and entertainment, I will provide complete information regarding the turn along with multiple screenshots (with the grid on, of course) since I seem to have gotten the hang of the site General_W uses.

3. The President "is responsible for workers, city management, and powers and responsibilities not specified to other leaders." You are all well aware by now of what an obsessive micromanager I am, so I feel this is a strong point of mine. I will work with the other Minister's to make sure our city builds meet their needs and make sure our workers timely improve important tiles. I will also squeeze every ounce of production and every possible coin out of our towns on every turn.

In addition, there is a good chance that we will be in Republic by the end of Term 4 (assuming Domestic decides to revolt). This change will require a complete reevaluation of our city plans (in a good way). For example, I am confident Athens can be a 3-turn settler factory in Republic. I will have our workers improve necessary tiles just before we change and maximize our towns' efficiency in our new government type.

So far we have one accepted nomination ... Chamnix

Chamnix wins the election uncontested.

Congradulations Chamnix... Does getting promoted get you better pay?

You only get better pay if you figure out how to skim money off the top of your department's budget.

For Example: I really want a country home. I'm the Minister of Defense. So, while I've got the boys out scouting around for 'barbarians' and such, I tell them to keep their eyes open for a nice hill overlooking either a lake or the sea. Ares Warrior Heron found a nice spot, so now I'm going to build a retirement estate there... wouldn't have been possible without using the powers of the office for personal gain.

Hope this helps!

I see ... it's different with the Foreign Minister ... I remember the good old days when one had special entertainment rooms and baths scattered all over the empire ... and the best exotic dishes to feast on ... brilliant ... arrrgh memories .. <sigh>

Term 5!

I nominate
Chamnix and Meleager

I nominate General_W and Classical Hero


Question for Candidates

Will you continue to report at the current excelent level that has been posted?

Thank you Fe.

If Chamnix would like a second term, then I respectfully decline.

If Cham is going to leave the president's office for greener pastures - then I'll consider running.
:salute:

I am pleased to announce my acceptance of the nomination to run for President again.

Since I don't recall very many complaints regarding the reporting style, I plan no major changes there. It looks like the world is a bit to big to fit into 4 screenshots, so as Donuts territory is revealed, I think I will try to divide the world into 6 sectors and have each posted every turn. In addition, I will continue to post F1, F3, and F11 every turn, and any area I think is notable (stack of KISS worker, barbarian activity, etc.) as needed.

The next term will contain a mix of activity. It is reasonably likely that a significant portion of next term will be spent in anarchy, and there will be little to do then except maximize food and prevent riots. However, by the end of the next term, we should be in Republic which will call for a replanning of our worked tiles to take advantage of new opportunities.

Of course, regardless of which government we are in, I will continue to micromanage every town on every turn to try to maximize productivity and minimize waste throughout our growing empire.

Nominated
>
Chamnix
Meleager
General_W
Classical Hero
>
>

We have possible vote, pending candidate acceptance :p

@Chamnix:

I hope this post doesn't come across as accusatory, as I am only trying to flesh out some possible misperceptions. This really doens't feel like the proper thread, but since it bears on a candidate for this post, I felt it justified to post here.

From a recent chat between Fe and Skippyshutt (Admiral Kutzov of KISS):
...heavy hitter... ...seems real serious and really focused... ...we question if we can afford to start a war on the other continent with him in control.... ... given, chaminix, we're paranoid to be honest. some of our peeps know his rep....

You posted that you have no idea why Admiral K is saying those things, as you've never played multiplayer. Yet there are players out there who know of you.

What is it that is making them so antsy?

Is there no one on KISS who has made a mark in the Hall Of Fame?

I just think that you'd be more able than I am to imagine what your 'Rep' is among our competitors. Any thoughts?

Yeah baby !!! :bounce: Don't be shy ... :mischief: What exact is your Rep ?!!

Really, I don't know. My name appears on this site in a couple places both in GOTM and HoF, but I have had minimal direct contact with KISSers. The only time I can remember was in an SGOTM. I think it was SGOTM 5 - it was the one where we played as the Russians in a one built city challenge. Bede and I (and TimBentley who is on another team) were on Team MOTH. I feel like Bede was a much better player than me, so I can't believe they are intimidated by that.

I think this may be the telling comment:

Skippyshutt: u fly into the MA and get the infantry thingy guys. leaves our ass in the wind

They don't fear a sneak attack or anything like that. The crux of the matter is that we have caught up to them, and they are worried that we are outplaying them. I don't think it is anything specific to me - they may just be giving me undue credit for our team's play.

I agree with you that Bede is a very strong player. I've been following his team's thread in the SGOTM9. He has a mastery that spans the game from micro-managing, to inter-city dynamics, to AI manipulation. He has a deep understanding of game mechanics as well as the dynamic evolution of a strategy as the game progresses. I don't really know how involved he is with KISS, though. His name doesn't come up all that much in Chats.

I have to say, you can learn quite a bit about the other teams by following another game the members are active in. I've wanted to follow TimBentley as well, but there is only so much time I can devote in a day.

We are playing well. There is no doubt about that. But what were they expecting?.... That we'd be idiots?

@Chamnix: I trust you're not holding back on any juicy little bits. If you've trounced a KISSer in the past, I'm sure we'd all love to read about it :)

What has been everyone's opinion of my playing so far?

To be honest, I haven't checked since the 14th or 15th, but I think you are among the stronger players on the team. There were a couple of times when people would look at the last turnset, and see wild production queues (barracks towns producing settlers and such). That never happened after your turnsets, and you seemed to leave the game in a stronger position than when you started it.

Sorry for the off-topic. We can continue this in the Graffiti wall, if you like. :)

Excellent suggestion.

@Chamnix: I trust you're not holding back on any juicy little bits. If you've trounced a KISSer in the past, I'm sure we'd all love to read about it :)

I wouldn't be able to resist bragging about it if I had:) . I never had the patience to try multiplayer before (witness how I screwed up my first turn in the Team PBEM:blush: ). If there is something specific I did, then I am at least as curious as you to find out what.

Chamnix is President for Term 5 :clap:

To retain the position of KISS thorn ;)

:bump:

It's turn 6! Who do you think can best balance the needs of the country's defense with it's economiocal well being?

I nominate Chamnix for another term.

He’s done a fabulous job of reporting, he scares the other teams, and his MM skills are better than anyone I’ve ever played with.

As far as I’m concerned, if he’ll serve - he’s President-for-life!

:salute:

I second General_W :salute: ... it is an auduous task ... and sometimes it must get pretty scary (attacking barbs, etc) especially when the team discussion may go against your own voices :crazyeye:

Anyway ... if another does nominate ... the standard of game reporting MUST be maintained.

I will also nominate Chamnix, since he is a supurb MMer and will be the best president for our war times IMO, since he will probably notice anything suspicious that is happening around us.

:bump:

Are you going to accept this nomination Mr. President?
:D doesn't look like you'll have to spend much money from your campaign war-chest to win!

Sorry about the delay - it's been chaotic around here since I keep having to relocate with the Palace improvements being worked on, and that nasty budget inquest thanks to those nosy International Tribune reporters - there really should be an amendment to the Constitution to permit the President to revoke press licenses on a whim...

Anyway, the people seem to want me to stick around, and my campaign manager assures me as long as nobody runs against me, I have at least a 50% chance of winning, so I humbly accept the nomination.

As far as I’m concerned, if he’ll serve - he’s President-for-life!

Wasn't your namesake deeply concerned about the Presidency sliding into a Monarchical status?... Isn't that what the inspiration for my avatar was keen on avoiding?... Shouldn't we be more concerned with electing the best person for the position, irregardless of who has held the position in the past?!

That said, I'm perfectly comfortable having Chamnix Preside for another term (or 2 or 10), but I'd really hate to see us never mix things up at all.

Chamnix is our dictator.... :beer:

:nono: Saint Chamnix is our patron ;)

I nominate General_W

:lol:

Thank you Fe!

*dreams happily about his days in the Presidential Mansion... *

<pop>

*Wakes up to reality*

Thank you, but the shoes of the presidency have grown far too large for my small feet to fill.

I respectfully decline, and nominate Chamnix to another term!

Chamnix listens to all of us, and despite the dictatorship jesting, I always feel included in decision making.
His handeling of the workers and MMing the citizens is so far above me, I see no reason to put another layer of management between the master and his work.

But thank you anyway! :salute:

(P.S. If Chamnix is looking for a break, I will of couse serve... but I firmly believe this department is better left in his hands)

I will run if Chamnix decides to take a break.

:bump:

How about it Chamnix?

I need to know what you're going to do - so that I can decide what I'm doing! :lol:

:salute:

I know, and gbno1fan needs to know what you are doing so he knows what he is doing…

I’m torn. On the one hand, I enjoy the job, and I do feel like I am performing it reasonably well and helping the team by being President. On the other hand, it is a team game, and I feel guilty monopolizing the position if others want a turn. At least I can console myself with the thought that the only ones who have expressed any interest have held the position before so I am not denying anyone the opportunity ever to reside in the Presidential Palace.

I’ll try to reach a decision sometime today.

Obviously I can only speak for myself – but I feel honored to have served as the Second President of MIA, and I'm happy to be remembered for that.

In my opinion you would only need to feel guilty about "monopolizing" the presidency if you in fact were cutting other interested people out of the process.
In fact, you've had a very inclusive presidency and followed the direction of the team and of the ministers even when you didn't necessarily agree yourself.
There's no exclusion there!

Fact is – everyone on this team wants to win, I think we're all having a blast the way things are now, and there's a broad consensus that your MM skills are a cut above what we've seen anyone else on MIA bring to the table.

I DO hope you'll run again.

(This message paid for by the committee to keep the reluctant dictator in power. General W, campaign manager)

Don't be torn :shakehead: ... I am in a similar head space as you are with Foreign Office ... if you want to do job again, then go for it ... and let the team vote after the campaignes have run their courses :D

If I were Chamnix, I wouldn't feel bad about running again - after all, you'd still have to get voted in.... and there are some among us who remember that power-grab you pulled on turn 109 ;)

I think a good old honest election would be the preferred way to decide these things.

Anybody else think that whole provision about someone not holding more than one office should be revisited?... Just puttin' it out there :)

Anybody else think that whole provision about someone not holding more than one office should be revisited?... Just puttin' it out there
I think we should allow players to run for more than one office, then if they win both, they have to decide which they want, and the runner up would get the job.

Oh, and while we're all expressing support for Chamnix, I thought I'd get in on it too. Chamnix, you have done an excellent job as the President. Since I joined, I have known know other president, but can imagine no others. You have proven yourself to be a master at micromanagement - and I applaud you for that. If you run again, I'll gladly vote for you again unless someone else can prove that they can play at the same level as you. Fact is, you're the best candidate for this position.

Where's the "Aw, shucks" smilie? Thanks for all the support. I will accept the nomination.

I don't see any reason to change things to permit people to hold more than one office. As long as we have enough actives to fill all offices, I think one per person is plenty. I can definitely see an argument for permitting people to run for more than one, but it does make the elections more complicated.

I will nominate for this position. My platform will be "Prepare for War".

@Classical Hero:

Could you elaborate on you platform more?

Prepare for war against whom? When? What should this war accomplish? What are the goals of the war, how will we know when it has been 'won', and how will we know if we need to put an end to it? What are acceptable conditions for a cease-fire?

Yeah buddy boy ... who ya wanna fight ?!! :)

Yeah buddy boy ... who ya wanna fight ?!! :)
Why TNT of course. ;)

My serious reply now.

I think we need to be prepared for war. By this we need to get our economy being so powerful that we have the resources to have the most up to date army that we can have. This means that it will be the most technologically advance army in the world. Basically we need to be the only Superpower here and thus we can be controlling the game the way we want it. We need to be albe to have every occurance looked after. basically it is about being ready for war the moment it is happening, rather than just waiting for things to occur.

Term 7

nominate!

I re-nominate Chamnix!

Now is not the time for modesty.
I look at those State of the Empire updates every turn and see how you move all the citizens around and orchestrate chops and MM the workers… and it all makes me quite queasy and I feel the start of a headache coming on.

It's sheer brilliance the way you milk our empire for all it's worth.
I'd be willing to give you a break, but I could never do the job you are doing.

So please serve again! Your country needs you Chamnix.

This message paid for by GeneralW, President of the Emperor for Life Fan Club. (ELF-C?)

I have a thought, which everyone should feel free to shout down. What if Chamnix remains the turn-player, but we have someone else be the President?

For example, Chamnix plays the turn, and uploads the save to our Gmail. Then the President, (Freddy, for example) sends the save to KISS and posts in the turn-tracker.

The advantage to this scheme is that we may present a different face to our competitors, yet remain highly focussed. I've been thinking that we could benfit from shaking up our status quo in many of these areas. Thoguhts?

I have a thought, which everyone should feel free to shout down. What if Chamnix remains the turn-player, but we have someone else be the President?

For example, Chamnix plays the turn, and uploads the save to our Gmail. Then the President, (Freddy, for example) sends the save to KISS and posts in the turn-tracker.

The advantage to this scheme is that we may present a different face to our competitors, yet remain highly focussed. I've been thinking that we could benfit from shaking up our status quo in many of these areas. Thoguhts?

the gap in turn times would be a very large inconvience.

if we were to do this, Cham can still send the save, and just have someone else post ion the turntracker. They wouldn't be able to tell.

If we do want to do it, let me suggest this compromise: all MIA'ers turn off invisible mode. When Cham sends the save he looks to see which of us are online (through his buddy list). If someone is, that person is PM'd and asked to post in the turn-tracker. We'd appear KISS-Like, with many turnplayers.

It'd still be way more of a hassel than it's worth though.

There is an invisible mode ???

I sort of like the idea :mischief: ... but I think too complicated ... it would require the other person to post on turn tracker.

I like your thinking robby. But it will take a great deal of time from everyone to get this to work.

While I think the idea is admirable – I just don’t think it’s practical.

We may cause some short-term relief in foreign capitals when they see Chamnix disappear as the “turn player” but when our score continues to rise, they will all realize (if they don’t from the start) that Chamnix is still on our team, still offering input, and it really doesn’t matter much if he’s pushing the final button or not.

Since it’s so much more convenient for Chamnix to just get the job done – I say, let’s not put a lot of barriers in the way that really won’t fool anyone.

That’s my 2 cents anyway.

With all this talk about who sends the save/posts in the turn tracker thread, I guess I should mention first that I will accept the nomination as turnplayer (I just can't resist General_W's charm ;)).

As far as someone else posting, it should be possible although it is tough to know with donsig disappearing. When he was TNT's turnplayer, he almost always played between 6-12PM EDT (we are in the same timezone), and I would occasionally play the same evening if he played early enough or the next evening since that is really the only time I could devote enough time to play a turn during the week.

Even with donsig apparently gone, realistically, since I will continue playing evenings here in all likelihood, if someone is available to send the save/post at around 4AM GMT, that should almost always work. Not necessarily saying we should do this, but if we do I do think it should be the same person each time if at all possible. Of course, weekends are an altogether different story.

4am GMT is 11pm for us, right Chamnix?

I could be available to post at that time - if we go through with this, that is.

No that would be Midnight for you guys on the East coast of America and Middday for me, so that woul leave me out since I would be at work, but fe could be around at that time. I could do it on Saturdays or on the week end.

Too complicated let's just let Prez play the turn and send it.

Term 9.

Nominate!

Chamnix...

I second the nomination :salute:

I accept..

:bump: Term 10 nominations begin.

The Dear Leader... Chamnix... :hatsoff:

Thank you for the nomination, but I have decided not to seek the Presidency for Term X. While I am very grateful for having been given the opportunity to serve for 6 terms, I think it is time for someone else to take the reins. I look forward to seeing a competitive race to succeed me! :hatsoff:

I nominate Gbno1fan, General_W, and Azzaman333!

Into the fray you all go :)

First off, the level of reporting first established by General_W, and then continued by Chamnix must be continued.

Secondly, we all must be able to trust the new president to ably decide between several competing demands. Cash - rushing, for example, can pit several important demands against eachother. I'm curious to hear the different ways nominees may handle this.

I must decline, as at the moment i am not even finding much time to even play my PBEM saves (all 15-20 of them)

I decline the nomination.

Oh goodness!

Well – I'll humbly accept the Nomination.

However, I fear my feet aren't nearly large enough for the size of the shoes I'm now being asked to fill.


My Platform:
* Continue the Presidential Reporting format
I may have started this presidential reporting format… but Chamnix has taken it to a new level.
I may not be able to keep up the standard on the screenshots due to intermittent internet issues at home. I'm already thinking of some work-arounds, but there's likely to be a delay between when I post an update and when I post the sceenshots. I may take an informal poll to see which screenshots are most looked at and used by people to reduce the burden.

* Balance any ministerial disagreements against the Grand Strategy
I hope my record of being fair in listening to all points of view is obvious to all by now. I will continue to not only welcome, but seek other viewpoints. If there's a conflict, I'll make my best judgment call based on what I understand our current Grand Strategy to be.

*Reduce MicroManagement
This isn't a strength of my platform at all – but it's true. I don't have the MM skills that Chamnix has – so I'll just be doing less. I will always check the major production centers to look for chances to enhance production – but I generally try to get towns into a longer-term stable production patterns… rather than adjust up and down each turn for tiny advantage (which, admittedly, ultimately add up to a significant advantage). If anyone would ever like to suggest MM opportunities for me to take advantage of on a turn, I'll be happy to receive and follow any input. Fortunately, we're entering a period of relative stability where there should only be limited MM opportunities anyway.

* Bring Back the Acropolis
If elected, I'll seek to bring back my acropolis monument to commemorate great moments in the development of MIA.


I'd be honored to have your vote!
:salute:

You did a great job before, and I'm sure you will do a great job again (assuming you are elected... but you seem to have a way of "discouraging" people from running against you ;)).

As far as micromanaging goes, I agree with you in concept, but you may have a hard time doing that for a little while. You may get a nice even number of spt... then our Golden Age ends. You balance it out again... and then a factory is built. Finally every town is how you want it... and we complete Hoover Dam.:p

In all seriousness, I haven't been doing an awful lot with our core lately. If we are building 80 shield items, then 20 spt is great. More often it ends at 22 spt or something. It is almost impossible at this point to find the 5 extra shields to get to 27 spt, so I've been leaving things at odd numbers like 22. You are right that the core towns aren't growing in general, so there are not a lot of adjustments on a regular basis.

However, I would encourage our next President to take at least a quick pass through all of our corrupt towns every turn (or as often as you can stand to). We want to emphasize food in those towns and hire as many specialists (of the right type!) as we can. When those towns grow, the governor will almost invariably put the new citizens on low food/high shield tiles. When a worker or settler is built, the governor reassigns citizens poorly.

There are really only two things to look for in those towns:

1. Try not to waste food. If a town only needs a couple food to grow, then maybe it can get an extra specialist for a turn or give a high food tile away to a neighboring town and still grow.

2. Never work tiles that provide less than 3 fpt. If we can't get 3 fpt from any tile, then the citizen is only supporting himself and should be a specialist instead.

Good luck to whoever wins!

Thanks for the great tips on the corrupt towns. Makes total sense, and I'll certainly do that if elected.

But let's be serious – the last person to seriously challenge me for office was a heartbeat away from a trip to the mattresses. ;)

I would like to nominate myself for President.

My platform is simple: Wipe out the Galls and the Nutters. Nothing would please me more than leading legions of Greek warriors against my old foes from Battle Island. And probably nothing could tick them off more . :satan:

I would of course continue all the fine Greek governmental traditions. I also have presidential experience! :D

Well, well, well!

Donsig… or… should I call you, Don Sig Tntleone?

My consigliere, Gbno1fan, has told me of your plans to… shall we say… upset the apple cart?
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Perhaps you can pay me a visit sometime… we can discuss this business over a nice meal of roast puppy.
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I'd hate for things to get dirty.
I don't want to stoop to the level of reminding people that you helped lead the only nation to be totally destroyed in the MTDG – and I certainly don't want to drag up dirt about the mining of hills that we witnessed taking place while TNT was still in a Despotism government. No one wins if we have to talk about the libraries you were building while the Dnuts and KISS were attacking your towns from every side.

;)


Let's hope we can settle this like gentlemen…


;)

Ah, General_W, our champion mudslinger... it's been a while since someone was brazen enough to challenge you in an election :).

But since we have a race now, I'd like to hear donsig flesh out his position a little more. I love the idea of wiping all non-MIAers from the map (how could anyone not love that?), but how do you propose to accomplish this? Landing with cavalry? Hoplites? Riflemen? Wait until infantry? How many boats would we need? What is your timeframe? What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? Etc.

Is that an African or European swallow? :confused:

To tell the truth I dont' have a full scale plan worked out yet. I was really hoping that my adopted countrymen would continue as they have in the past by formulating strategies and posting game play instructions. I don't see the presidency as the designer of strategies and tactics but as the implementor of the winning moves we decide upon as a team.

There's no need to hide the mud General_W. You can let it all hang out, I'm man enough to take it. Yes, I presided over the only team that got wiped out. We played a bad game. We got off to a bad start under our first leader, and had very low participation for quite some time while I was playing the turns. I didn't have much hope for a win after the war with the Nutters. I was quite disappointed that they burned Carpetbomb. Thought that was quite barbaric. That paled next to the sneak attack we suffered at the hands of the Galls. Truth be told I can't say I was very happy with the Greek response to any of it either. Didn't realize I was in such a cut-throat game. Now that I know the deal all I want to do is take revenge on the Nutters and Galls.

Think of the fun we'd all have with me playing the turns and razing purple cities!

I'll try to give a better strategic type answer tomorrow - right now I've got to do a little RL work.. :(

:clap: a Presidential race ... nice :D

Oh man – the shameless sympathy ploy! One of the oldest rhetorical tricks in the book!

Trying to make me look like a bad guy… just because I tried to paint you as the former leader of a failed state with a history of mistakes. No need to get personal and try to make me look mean!

Anyway – I look forward to hearing your full platform. It really will be fun to have a good race for president.

I am pleased to see that we already agree on the essential role of the president… an implementer of team strategy.

I will also grant that there would be something especially sweet about having an ex-TNTer at the helm for the destruction of the Nuts or KISS. In fact, no matter who is president at the time – I think it would be a sweet idea to let Donsig play the turn when we first begin our invasion of the Battle Island… a MacArthur “I shall return” kind of moment. :evil:

<begin patriotic music>
However – we should not let our past differences cloud our decision making come election day. We are all citizens of the glorious nation of MIA.

“Remember TNT” is a battle cry that stirs all of our hearts… but it is the Green and Red flag of MIA that leads us into battle… it is that flag that must ultimately fly supreme over all the lands of Meleet.

My fellow countrymen, it is our destiny to rule this world! And nothing… not the slobbering nuts, not the idiot galls, and not petty historical differences among our own… Nothing must stop us from reaching that final golden crown of absolute victory.
<music swells> [image, waving MIA flag]

Vote for MIA! Vote for Victory! Vote for General_W!
“Proven leadership in trying times”





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:wow: A race for the presidency?

A possibility that General_W may not be in office next term? :hmm:

A possibility that the President, Domestic Minister, Defense Minister, and Foreign Minister would all see a change in a single election? :dubious:

What is our nation coming to? :twitch:

Cast out all these foolish thoughts, fellow MIA-ers! Vote for General_W, the closest we can get to keeping the status-quo! :borg:

Note to Donsig - You are brave to challenge GW, and I thank you for giving us such an exciting election. Good luck to you. :hatsoff:

Note to Donsig - You are brave to challenge GW, and I thank you for giving us such an exciting election. Good luck to you. :hatsoff:

Thank you! After reading GW's last post I almost want to vote for him myself.

But I said almost. :D Sorry I could not get my teeth into a strategy yet. Hope there is still time - tomorrow will be a less hectic day for me and I will do my utmost to get something posted then. And I will gladly lead our forces back to Battle Island. I can see the headlines now, Dinsog returns!. Oh wait, that's donsig returns!

In the mean time, don't hesitate to ask some specific questions so the General and I can play dodge ball with the mud. BTW, did the shameless sympathy ploy work at all?

It's the 11th and (probably) final term!!

Nominate the one you want to head the Government of MIA… live in the expansive Presidential Palace… navigate the tactics of our final war… lead MIA to eternal glory and ultimate victory… President of the Eternal Republic of MIA

:salute:

I'd like to nominate Chamnix to resume the position for which he has demonstrated ultimate skill and unwavering dedication.

Having served as president these last 17 turns, I can testify first-hand that the job of running MIA has become a colossal undertaking – and as we close on the final turns, I think it is only right that Chamnix resume the mantle of leadership. Term 11 will see the climactic battle we've been planning for a very very long time – and I can't imagine the intricate dance of achieving domination in 1 turn in any better hands than the hands of the "architect of 2-Turn-KISS-annhiliation" than the "Bringer of Death by Cavalry" than the "Railroad Slave Lord Master" than the "MM King"… than in the hands of the man who is all these things and more… Chamnix.

I officially Nominate Chamnix - Will he serve?

:salute:

I Second that nomination. Chamnix, there is nothing you can do, you will lead us to victory! :p

I would like to nominate myself once again and I would also like to accept my own gracious nomination. (Hey, what kind of demogame would this be if we don't have an election?)

To be honest, I was sincerely hoping to have C3C up and running on my work computer by now, so that I could try my hand at the tiller. However, work has been really crazy busy (and will be for another few weeks!).

I know General_W has been hard-pressed lately, but there's nothing unhealthy in seeing an honest 3-way race, so I'll nominate General_W!

One thing, tho' - I'd love to see more accurate Military reporting ;)

I will accept the nomination. Now, that I’ve said that, let’s see if I can come up with a campaign platform that will make nobody vote for me….

I promise essentially to ignore the elected ministers and do whatever I please for the next 8 turns. Well, not exactly, but as General_W will attest, each turn really takes a significant amount of time to play well at this stage of the game. There are only so many times during a given 24-hour period when a block of time is available. If elected, I will play the turn during my first opportunity even if the Ministers haven’t had a chance to provide specific instructions for that turn.

Realistically, I don’t think there will be many surprises – Domestic will order lots of bombers, Military can provide target guidelines in advance, and Foreign… well, I’ll just assume Foreign will not order me to offer peace. If anything noteworthy comes up, then I will certainly wait for team input, and the ministers should give general guidelines in advance, and I will follow those.

Why should you vote for me with that kind of despotic attitude? First, I have a catchy campaign slogan – “Domination on 208-tion”. Second, we want to finish strong, and we will have complicated micromanaging again. Sure, we want almost all bombers which are 100 shields. Easy, right? Well, no, because I’m pretty sure bombers do not get the mobilization bonus, so ideally, we will build say infantry at 60 shields for 1 turn then change to a bomber at 40 shields for the next turn. Additionally, we want to squeeze every penny out of our specialist farms to make sure we can accomplish our goals on 208. I will do what is necessary to maximize our efficiency through these final turns.

My motto if elected President – “Let’s get this game over with!”

I decline - as I'm running for Domestic, and I have a policy of not running against Chamnix ;) It'd be a shame to ruin my perfect record of winning races! (too bad I had to sell my soul to get that record... :lol: )

I'm glad you're going to make this a race though Donsig! Any platform?

Until then - I have to say, "Domination on 208-tion" [party]

Question for the Previous Presidents:

How much time does playing the save take these days? I'm just curious, and your responses will not affect the way my vote falls.

Also, I'm nervous that Chamnix's comment about the time commitment will skew the votes. After all, the turn-player and president don't have to be the same person...

For that matter, the person who posts "GPS" in the turntracker thread need not even be the turnplayer :)

I know we tried it once, to no avail; but just imagine the chatter in the other forums if they thought (accurately or no) that Donsig was playing the save :lol:

It could definitly change how they think of us. :lol:

The game has to be done in one sitting, right? You can't hand the domestic part to the domestic minister and the military to the military minister?

I'm glad you're going to make this a race though Donsig! Any platform?

My platform is simple: Bomb the living daylights out of the Nutters and Galls. Don't take any chances. Bomb the doughnut and the hole. Land troops, take cities, dominate.

My campaign slogan: Why wait till 208?

Question for the Previous Presidents:

How much time does playing the save take these days? I'm just curious, and your responses will not affect the way my vote falls.

I typically spent an hour to an hour and a half per turn as a minimum, and if that's all the time I had before I had to be somewhere, I often felt rushed. Some turns would take much longer - first turn of Golden Age, first turn of war mobilization, or just periodic strategy changes requiring reconfiguring a significant number of towns. I suspect a different President may take less time than I do because I am unfortunately somewhat of a perfectionist, but that's why our citizens built me that glorious palace, right? ;)

Also, I'm nervous that Chamnix's comment about the time commitment will skew the votes.

Which way would the votes be skewed?

The game has to be done in one sitting, right? You can't hand the domestic part to the domestic minister and the military to the military minister?

It doesn't seem to me that there is any way to save a game mid-turn and pass it to a teammate. No matter how you save it, when you try to open the save, I think it will always be KISS' turn.

I remember when I played the save for one turn, I think it took me 2 or 3 hours to play the save, so this is a major job that the President has.

I know we tried it once, to no avail; but just imagine the chatter in the other forums if they thought (accurately or no) that Donsig was playing the save :lol:

I would be glad to be the official 'our turn has been played' poster. ;) I need any job I can get because the TNT Government in Exile in Athens never did get tax exempt status.