We won! Conquest victory![dance]:D:king:

Continuation of the first German SG. For past history, pls look here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10354&pagenumber=1).

Current Order of Playing
donsig
Ohwell
joespaniel
i.Psychosis
Mike C
Knight-Dragon

M.i.A. - SkidiWili, CurtSibling

No of Turns
1-20 turns, your pick. ;)

Long live the Reich! :king:

Reminder : Always look here to check status of the game, long-term policies and other notices.

Long-term policies : Wipe out the English fr our continent!

Does that mean we're gonna let them live on that little western island? A little island called 'England'. Who'd ever beleive it.:crazyeyes

Ha! That would be funny.

Knight-Dragon - You can pull me out of "retirement" and put me back on the roster, if its OK with everyone.

I am done working double-shifts for awhile (this year, anyway). Would love to join you guys again. I missed our little game (its not so little anymore!) and am glad to have free time again.

Just in time for Christmas-panzers, too! :lol:

You're on, joespaniel! :D I was about to PM you to ask if you want a round or two at it. ;)

Take your turns now!

Let's leave the English on that little island of theirs and rule the continent!

Today, the Continent; tomorrow, the world!!! :king:

Note - I've switched donsig with Ohwell.

Welcome back joe!:beer:

Remember that army of swordsmen we had when we were fighting Russia? Anyone know what happened to that thing? Did it die in battle? :eek:

Originally posted by donsig
Remember that army of swordsmen we had when we were fighting Russia? Anyone know what happened to that thing? Did it die in battle? :eek: Not army of swordsmen; army of two swordsmen and one horsemen. ;) Anyway I left it in the South to take out the southern 2 Russian cities and when my turn came back, it was gone. I expect our Army must have perished while fighting the Russian remnants. :(

You're up next after joespaniel. ;) Wouldn't want you to froth at the mouth ..... :lol:

Suggestion - Don't build the Military Academy in Berlin. Build it somewhere else so that our captial can cont producing stuff, rather than Armies. ;)

Mind if I hop on? I get so tired of seeing these succession games interupting my diplomacy stories that I figured I might as well see what's so great about them :D. So, can I join, or do you already have enough people?

By the way, anyone waiting for the next chapter on "Grecian!", I'm finally able to get back to Civ 3 ('bout ready to kick the Christmas season and my science teacher in the arse) it should be up tomorrow.

I think we'll have a replacement army one of these days...

Toasty: If there's no room here we may need someone in the Rise of Rome game!

I'm going to sleep now. I find it's easy to be patient that way.:lol: I'll have plenty of time to play in the morning if Joe gets done tonight.:)

Originally posted by donsig
I think we'll have a replacement army one of these days...

Toasty: If there's no room here we may need someone in the Rise of Rome game!

I'm going to sleep now. I find it's easy to be patient that way.:lol: I'll have plenty of time to play in the morning if Joe gets done tonight.:) Just what I am going to propose! Toasty, you can sign up for our Roman game here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10843&pagenumber=3). I'm afraid our German game is full at this moment, considering we've Mike off the circuit until after Christmas and 2 missing players.

donsig, we won't have a replacement Army. We're going to have a lot of Armies. Remember, you can have one for each four cities. We have a LOT of cities ..... :D

Reposting all my suggestions fr the old thread and reloading the game file ....

1) Need more defenders. Some of our cities only got one defender. :(

2) Also need to stop our luxury exports (for no good reason). Unroad our roads to all those luxury tiles that we export out and reroad back. This is my way to get around this 'bug' and if you have a better method, pls use it. ;)

3) We got democracy; may want to consider chging govt so our workers can work faster ....

4) Start railroading once the coal tile is roaded to our network.

5) Got 4 cavalry in Reading, another 4 in Riga and 8 in Koniegsburg (another 1 on the way there). HINT! HINT! ;)

6) Don't build the Military Academy in Berlin. Build it somewhere else so that our captial can cont producing stuff, rather than Armies.

Just trying to be helpful ..... :)

OK, Im back in the game! Woo-hoo!:beer:

I read your suggestions and will study the situation tonight. Probably post a summary in the morning, then donsig can go at it. :D

Nice to be back!

Some strategies:

-6 workers will build railroad in 1 turn on a grass or plain square with road. I will "stack and track" ASAP. If future players find stacks of six workers, thats me building rail line. BTW, it only works with OUR workers, not captured ones. Captured workers take double time with any task.

-Armies: Once the Military Academy is finished, build three armies immeadiately. Then the Pentagon can be built, which will allow us to build armies of FOUR units instead of three.

-Once we get panzers, build ALOT of them. Because I like them.:lol:

We're gonna kick @ss!

Isn't it 2 of our workers to lay a rail track instantaneously? No, wait; that's for an industrious civ under democracy. :p

If we're a democracy, our workers work 50% faster. ;)

Just trying to be helpful. :p

I loaded up the game...

Wow.:eek:

We have ALOT of cities. I usualy raze them when theyre so far from the capitol, but maybe we can use them to our advantage.

I am trying to formulate some strategy, that will allow us to pump as much as possible into science while maintaining a strong military.

Im thinking this: we kill England quickly, then go Democracy to avoid war-weariness. Non-esential cities produce "wealth", specificaly the ones far to the south.

I may also sell off some useless improvements, but judiciously ofcourse.

Egypt already has electricity! We must catch up! Maybe I can scare it out of her, its worked before...:satan:

I'll play in the morning as its late here now. I plan on doing alot of domestic tidying-up so we can focus on tech (getting panzers!) and building up (panzers!) to invade across the ocean (with panzers!). :D

Guten Nacht
-Chancellor Joseph II

Tsk! When you have so much to say, I thought you have already finished off the English .... :rolleyes: :p

Get to it; otherwise I'll send donsig after you! :hammer: :D

Actually, for those cities to the far south and far far away fr our Capitals, why don't we : -

1) Max food production so that cities will grow fast.
2) Conscript the natives.
3) Send them to do guard duty or act as back-ups in some of our 'safer' cities.
4) Repeat as necessary.

Just some strange thoughts of mine. :p

One thing those cities do is keep the other countries from building cities there. It they did we'd just get distracted wiping them out. I'm beginning to think that it doesn't matter much that the newly conquered cities aren't productive. As long as we have our core producers the conquests can continue...:tank:

Yes, I agree on all points.

Ive only played two turns so far because I had to reorganize production in so many cities, then redeploy our offensive units to attack positions.

They might be some English still left for donsig when its his turn.:D

The war begins now.

They have ALOT of units down south at manchester, way too many for our four cavalry in the area to contain. Watch it.

I have cancelled all the trade agreements by clicking on the bottom of the diplomatic window. I also got a 1 for 1 luxury trade with Egypt, who finished Shakespears 6 turns ahead of us. I will switch to Wall Street, and race for the ToE.

DO NOT GIVE TECH OR MAPS TO ANYONE ANYMORE! Thats OK in the ancient/middle age, but not now. Trade to GET tech and maps only.

Egypt is crushing us in tech! We must catch up! If we can have 1000 gold to keep in the treasury, it will generate 50 gold/turn with Wall Street, perhaps allowing us to add a percent back to tech.

We need more workers too. Im building more from the overpopulated Russian cities and useless far-south towns.

OK, back in an hour or so.

Death to England!:skull:

Great to see you back Joespaniel. I am sure you like what you see, being, we control the Entire continent pretty much. This has to be my favorite of all the SG's:D .

I guess Knight-Dragon is the head, I didn't like being the interim leader, too much work:rolleyes:

Speaking of Interim leaders, isnt there one for Afganistan right now?

A tale of English sorrow.

German troops take up their attack positions under the cover of darkness. The English are oblivious to the great horror about to be unleashed upon them.

EDIT: It reminds me of a map of Plan Yellow, May 1940.:lol:

Beginning of the End

The German juggernaut rolls into England, crushing all in its path.

Our veteran cavalry is now elite! Our veteran cavalry is now elite!

A great leader appears during the bloody battle for London. Many German cavalrymen died taking their capitol.

All your continent are belong to us!

Germany has crushed all English cities and rules the land from sea to sea.
WE ARE VICTORIOUS!:king: ALL HAIL GERMANY!:beer:

The new Chancellor of Germany, Joseph II, takes to the palace throne as a dark cloud hangs over the land.

Germany is a great power, to be sure, but mired in internal problems and threatened from abroad by the likes of Egypt and Greece. The broad expanse of our empire works against itself. Many races of conquered people exist in our lands at present, and still resent us.

And a thorn in our side, called England, encourages this dissent within our cities.

The new chancellor tours the empire, from Berlins towering spires to the humid jungles and arid deserts of Russia. Changes are ordered, and an infectuous confidence begins to spred in his wake.

Preparations for war are begun. All will be German, or dead.

War with England

In lightning strikes the English Empire fell, extinguished but for a single town on the Isle of Caimbridge.

Germany captured over two dozen workers who now "toil" in our mines and fields. The prize, London, is ours to do with as we will.

Domesticaly speaking, we are becoming a wealthy nation. A great stock exchange hums with activity in Berlin and our first factory will soon be completed there as well. The "Hero of London", Horsa, also resides in our capitol, waiting to serve the next Chancellor.

An aging Chancellor now steps down from the Iron Throne, and appoints his successor, who must finish the war by annihilating England once and for all. Only then will our formerly English citizens accept that they are now Germans forever and ever.

And bring a lasting peace to the land of Germany.

OK, donsig, here it is!:D

- New Great Leader in Berlin, Horsa. You should use him to build a wonder, I recomend waiting for the Theory of Evolution. Thats two free advances we desperately need. I started researching medicine to get us to scientific method.

-Military Academy under way in Frankfurt. Workers are mining the hills to add production to the city, you should mine more hills after and rail road them too. Frankfurt will be our key to world domination in the future, lets beef it up.

-Once Frankfurt is finished, we can field three new armies and meet the requirement for the Pentagon. These "required" three armies could be disbanded after the Pentagon is started, so just throw old units into them, if possible.

-I tried to concentrate our workers efforts around our two capitol cities and the "circle" of cities around them. The outlying areas will never produce well, so I focused on the former.

- Greece and Egypt seem to REALLY dislike us. Watch out for naval forces sniffing around our coast near the former Greek cities. They havent done anything yet, but I put some strong units in Reading. Just in case.

-Cavalry will be obsolete soon. I didnt build any more, just riflemen. Theres three elite cav arriving at Berlin for future use, or defense.

-WE NOW HAVE 1000 GOLD! [dance] If you maitain that as a MINIMUM balance, we get 50 free gold each turn. Thanks to Wall Street. So go easy on the spending. Everything over the 1000 gold barrier is fair game though.

- Lastly, there is HUGE, HUGE disorder from the war-weariness, even in our German cities. Frankfurt and Konigsberg had disorder, and most of the English cities too. Theres entertainers in half of our cities right now because of this problem. Its hurting our science and production.

End it. Make peace or kill Caimbridge. I recomend kill. I left you a galeon with troops and a frigate to bombard. Its your choice, but remember what the Scicilian Mafia says about not finishing your enemies... :lol:

Once the war is done, you will have to put people back to work in the cities. Sorry, I know its tedious, but it was the only way to make ends meet at the time, so to speak.

Dont rush build, let cities starve if need be. We are doing very well domesticaly right now, and some population decreases in the corrupt cities is maybe a good thing for now. Later on when Berlin and St. Petersburg "circles" are finished, we can fix up the rest of the place.

Go forth, and bring glory to our mighty empire!

Oh yeah, I almost forgot.

Happy Hollidays to all my friends!:santa:

That was awesome joespaniel!:goodjob:

It would have taken me forever to fight the English. My round will be spent in the continuing effort to consolidate our domestic position while gearing up for the next phase of our glorious conquests!

BUT: It's 7 pm Friday evening here - a time I normally do not work BUT it's near the end of finals time so I AM working till 3 AM. (That's 8 more hours!:eek: The GOOD NEWS is that when I get home at 3:30 AM I can't go to sleep because I must take my wife to work at 6 AM. So, I will have a couple hours then to play my turns!:D

PS - I will probably make peace with Elizabeth now that she is properly confined to her island...

Great work, joe!:goodjob: Up next, donsig! But of course you know that ... :)

You know, I thought that if you attk across a river (i.e. when you use your cavalry to attk London), the defenders on the other side of the river are gonna get 50% bonus in def ..... That's why I left all the cavalry in Konigsburg so that it can make a sweep into York, then turn north on the other side of the river and take London. Personally, I prefer a single strong swift attk rather than a broad whole-front invasion .....

Also I did leave most of our swordsmen in the south too, so shld sort of match the English numbers ..... :)

As for war-weariness, joe, if you think yours is bad, you shld try at my turn .... Why do you think I wrap up all our wars so fast? ;)

I guess we might as well finish off the English. :D Go, donsig!

Originally posted by Ohwell
I guess Knight-Dragon is the head, I didn't like being the interim leader, too much work:rolleyes:

Speaking of Interim leaders, isnt there one for Afganistan right now? Work? I didn't see you do that much. :rolleyes: :D J/k.

The interim leader for Afghanistan is Karzal or something (?) but let's leave that to OT. We want to rule the world over here. :)

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
You know, I thought that if you attk across a river (i.e. when you use your cavalry to attk London), the defenders on the other side of the river are gonna get 50% bonus in def ..... That's why I left all the cavalry in Konigsburg so that it can make a sweep into York, then turn north on the other side of the river and take London. Personally, I prefer a single strong swift attk rather than a broad whole-front invasion .....

Yes, rivers add a defense bonus. I did what you envisioned. I used some forces to keep them from coming into Germany via London, but attacked from their side of the river. I almost think capitol cities get some kind of bonus too somehow. They never fall easily.

Also I did leave most of our swordsmen in the south too, so shld sort of match the English numbers ..... :)

Thank you.:D I used them all.

As for war-weariness, joe, if you think yours is bad, you shld try at my turn .... Why do you think I wrap up all our wars so fast? ;)

Yeah, when your heartland cities go into civil disorder it kind of sucks. I urge donsig to end the war VERY fast. It was getting rediculous.

I guess we might as well finish off the English. :D Go, donsig! [/B]

I agree. If we let them live, it could be a pain in the @$$ down the road. I would finish them now, but its donsig's call.

I have to admit, I get a cruel sense of pleasure seeing them on their little island out there. :lol:

Nice to be back, btw. I missed our teutonic romps through foreign countries. :D

Yes, rivers add a defense bonus. I did what you envisioned. I used some forces to keep them from coming into Germany via London, but attacked from their side of the river. I almost think capitol cities get some kind of bonus too somehow. They never fall easily.I think the defenders in the capital do have an additional def bonus, now that I think about it. But it doesn't matter now, does it? :D

I have to admit, I get a cruel sense of pleasure seeing them on their little island out there. :lol:Maybe we shld. It'll be so fun. Anytime we feel a little muscular or testy, we can loom over the British Isles and blackmail them for all their gold. :lol:

Nice to be back, btw. I missed our teutonic romps through foreign countries. :DAll good things have to end someday ..... :( From now on, probably a long boring industrial and economic development phase. Maybe we shld studying our next victim. :D Just to pass the time. ;)

Holy #@$#@ We're huge!!!! Can you say tech up and ICBM the rest of teh world into submission?

:goodjob:!!!

OK.:D

Japan is the weakest of the three. If we get a toe-hold on that continent, say, at Kyoto...

I wouldnt even attempt that for awhile. We have no navy to speak of yet. We need some ironclads to project force into the oceans.

Once we have transports full of panzers and artillery, and aircraft carriers to support, then we should visit ole' Tokagawa. :lol:

I also think we should raze most cities we capture on the new continent. Then we wont have to deal with all the BS. We'll just have a couple of base cities to mass troops, heal units, base aircraft...etc.

Ive never played a game of civ3 long enough to get panzers and bombers yet, so Im looking forward to this.

One thing for sure: we should go for a domination victory.:hammer:

I really think it would be a good idea to completely rid ourselves of the English nusiance. Eventually they will try to get a city on the mainland. But, I'm not in charge right now. So....

In addition, I think we really need to build Universal Sufferage. This will help with future war weariness. (We ARE going to war again, aren't we? ;) ) Unless the millitaristic Germans are going to wait for Japan or Greece to declare war on us. ;)

I was also wondering about mobilizing the Reich for our next war. I have never really used this in other games I've played, so I don't truly know it's effectivness or lack therof. But, it seems to me being able to produce only military units and military improvements with an extra shield on each tile that was making one before is pretty damn good. Yes, I realise we can't make anything else, but if we build up the other improvements first, the others wouldn't stand a chance against ALL our cities pumping out Panzers (for you joe ;) ) and transports to get them there...

Just my thoughts...or reasoning...or something.

Originally posted by Mike C
Holy #@$#@ We're huge!!!! Can you say tech up and ICBM the rest of teh world into submission?

:goodjob:!!! Mike, you're ready to come back and join us? If not, then when you're ready, tell us and then I'll put you into the roster. ;)

1590 AD: The Second German Republic declares Peace!

1595: A plebiscite in Eretria goes in favor of Greece. Chancellor Donsig obtains the right to station cavalry forces near Eretria and the peace continues.

1600: German exports increase, balance of payments favors Germany.

1605: Egypt & Japan agree to MPP, Greece declares war on Egypt, Japan declares war on Greece. German sailors witness Egyptian warriors attacking Greek hoplites on the island of Thessalonika.:lol:

1615: The German navy reports that the Greek city of Heraklia is burned by Japanese forces.

1620: Frankfurt & Nottingham RR complete. Berlin & Liepzig RR complete.

1640: Streets of Berlin lit at night thanks to German scientists.

1645: Moscow, St. Pete & Odessa RR complete.

1650: Japanese envoy offers Germany an alliance against Greece. Peace continues.

1655: England & Egypt sign MPP. (Somewhere a Sicilian laughs at Donsig.) England also declares war on Greece. German settlers found Silk City, the first German settlement on a far off continent.

1660: Pollution near Berlin!:eek: Coal city founded near Silk City in what was once China. German doctors go abroad bringing more gold and luxuries back to Germany. But are they merely doctors?

The Military Academy will be done in 2 turns. Berlin is working on Universal Suffrage as are two other civs. I spent 440 gold on the Berlin factory so we could try to get Universal Suffrage - it is still 16 turns away. (I did not let the treasury dip below 1000 in doing so.:) ) We still have our great leader in Berlin and we'll have Scientific method in two turns for ToE.

Our workers did nothing but build railroads. German citizens can now travel from Hannover to London or Odessa to Kiev by rail.

I started factories, libraries, markets, etc.

Our little navy is sailing around in the north. I did not upgrade or increase the size of our army at all. The defenses of our home continent are thinnner now that some troops have been shipped overseas.

Thanks to Wall Street and our luxury exports we are netting 166 gold/turn. Aside from the factory in Berlin I invested heavily in our Chinese foothold. I built a harbor in Silk City right away and both Silk City and Coal City will have libraries next turn. (That's almost 1000 gold invested in those two cities. I will be quite embarrassed, not to mention pissed, if they are culturally absorbed by Egypt or Japan!)

Keep an eye on the trade agreement. I sold things for as much gold/turn as I could but some went cheap. If they don't automatically expire we have to track them so we can renegotiate ASAP.

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i.Psychosis brings up a good point(s).

Should we go to a Democracy now and set our science rate sky-high? I think its imperative.

Try to keep science set at 80% if possible, without deficit spending ofcourse.

Libraries, Universities and Marketplaces... oh my.

As for Mobilization, it helps build military units and military improvements, but you cant build anything else until peace is signed. So it is limiting. I urge we only mobilize if massively attacked on our own continent.

I have a intuition that no one will come over to our continent for a long time. Sounds like they will fight each other first. The useless cities can build infantry and artillery for the productive ones.

Once we start the "Final War", we can switch to Communism and forget about war-weariness for good.

It will be panzerific!:tank:

Nice work, donsig.

Now we have a toe-hold on their continent! And a new luxury! Good job! Donsig gets a gold star!

Just a thought: If we are selling Luxuries to our enemies, they can increase their science rate because they dont have to spend on happiness. I dont know if thats the case per se, but its a possibility.

I would sell to Japan because they are weak and behind us in tech. But not Egypt! Egypt is even with us, and we need to slow her down as much as possible.

Glad to hear Egypt is tied up in a big war, it will slow down her production of improvements. Maybe the Greeks will rough the B!tch up a little too.:D

I sold to the highest bidder and did make a deal or two with Cleo.:( BUT - we are the Germans and we fear no one's science, nicht war?:D

Democracy is good, especially if we can keep up with the Joneses luxury wise. Once there we may not have to switch to communism just to fight the rest of the world. I guess Universal Suffrage will tip the scales here: will we get it or will they get it? I was so tempted to use the leader but saved it for ToE.

Whether we change to demo or stay repub it is good to have a nice cash flow for buying improvements...

I think Alex is getting pounded. He's facing Egypt, Japan AND the (once) mighty English. BTW, we had so many extra luxuries I couldn't sell that I gave some to England. All they have is some galleys floating around and they are building spearmen to attack Greece... (More Sicilian laughter in background.)

The Greek city on the south tip of our continent (OUR continent! Lets name it Germany!:D) is CRANKING out culture. It has to go!

I bet $10 bucks it will subvert our other Greek cities in less than 20 turns. Smash it!:hammer:

Knight-Dragon will switch us to Democracy to get the worker bonus, and I support that move. If we switch to Communism, I only support that if we have researched ALL technology, and have lots of nukes. Lets see if it comes to that.

Egypt has replaceable parts already. They are cranking out infantry and artillery. DONT GIVE THEM LUXURIES!!! We are helping our main competitor by doing this. I recomend not giving anyone anything from this point on. Unless we dont have a resource, but with an entire continent to ourselves (kill the greeks!), I doubt we will lack any oil, rubber or urainium.

Lets slow Egypt down while we accelerate, build every wonder before they do (they have most of the wonders already) and dump everything into tech.

I smell panzer fumes... :crazyeyes

Where would we be without you, Joe?

I know, we'd still be laying seige to London!

It seems I am lost in this world, I am forgotten. If SOMEBODY doesn't WANT me in this game, SPEAK UP. Otherwise, don't be subtle. Knight-Dragon, you are giving me a hard time, these games are supposed to be fun, but you have ruined it for me. I am forced to just do what everybody else wants, but not ME.

There, I have spilled my guts and lost my dignity. Happy, all of you?

I haven't forgotten you Ohwell.:)

I think it is your turn. Mike C. said he couldn't play till after Christmas, nicht war? Go ahead and take your turn - we need someone to carry the torch.[plasma]

I believe I read another post here, maybe in the strategy section, that said ToE is almost useless unless you have 3 open tech paths. That is, the one you are currently researching, and two other techs paths that you neglected to travel down in the past. With only one tech path open, you would get nothing for ToE. And you never get any techs ahead of you on the paths. Am I correct? Not sure. So, if we are concerned with acquiring Universal Sufferage before the others, we may want to use the GL.

Can anyone tell me what this number means? I can't find any documentation on it.

Originally posted by Ohwell
It seems I am lost in this world, I am forgotten. If SOMEBODY doesn't WANT me in this game, SPEAK UP. Otherwise, don't be subtle. Knight-Dragon, you are giving me a hard time, these games are supposed to be fun, but you have ruined it for me. I am forced to just do what everybody else wants, but not ME.


I do not understand, why do you think this?

Everyone wants you to keep playing, you should finish with us, you started from the very beginning.

If you are refering to me making so many posts about strategy, then I apologize. I want us to win, badly. I know we can do it too. I dont want to run the game for everyone else, I just get exited and make alot of stupid comments.:D

I have played strategy games for many, many years. I have been a soldier, and a military historian. But I would listen to anything you have to say concerning what we should do next, and how.

All of you have had great ideas, and all of us have learned alot.

Please reconsider, the game is better with you in it than without.

As for Knight-Dragon, I cannot see how he is giving you a hard time. He made one post, that was not meant to be serious, about running the thread. And believe me, its not an easy job.

Ohwell, I think that you have a case of misunderstanding about KD.

Which is understandable.;) :lol:

Originally posted by i.Psychosis
Can anyone tell me what this number means? I can't find any documentation on it.

This is the Tax/Science/Luxury rate.

4.6.0 means 40% tax, 60% science and no luxury.

Is that OUR game? :confused:

Originally posted by Ohwell
It seems I am lost in this world, I am forgotten. If SOMEBODY doesn't WANT me in this game, SPEAK UP. Otherwise, don't be subtle. Knight-Dragon, you are giving me a hard time, these games are supposed to be fun, but you have ruined it for me. I am forced to just do what everybody else wants, but not ME.

There, I have spilled my guts and lost my dignity. Happy, all of you? What are you talking about??? I'm utterly confused. :confused: It's your turn. Look at the first post. :)

If you're referring to my earlier post regarding your work at being the leadership in the earlier thread or something, I am only joking. I am glad that you actually took the initiative to organize us around after joe took off. :goodjob: ;)

If you're referring to my taking over the organizing of this SG w/o so much as a by-your-leave, sorry for that too. :o I wasn't exactly sure what're the protocols involved in this so .... Besides I am too damn free so .... :o

Sorry! :o I'll tone down on my jokes and be more considerate in the future .... Pls continue to play with us. Please please please? <kneel down in supplication>

Up next - Ohwell the Lord of Hammers :hammer: :D

PS At the rate we are posting into this thread, we're only gonna start a third thread before the new year .... :)

Well, I feel alot better now, I thank you all for understanding. Kmight Dragon, I overreacted about what you said, and, well, I am quite glad I dont have to keep track of the tuirns, that wasnt it. I just get angry when I feel I am threatened in any way. My life is somewhat like this too, I feel all alone right now, I only have my family, coworkers, and a couple of random accuaitences. But no more of this, I need to play Civ!

On second thought, I have to be skipped this ro und, Christmas party at work tomarrow, shopping today.

Ohwell- Im glad you are going to stay with us. We all have bad days, so forget about it.

Lets ALL finish this game together, and win!

After an Enlightened Germany controlled the entire continent, the Lord of Hammers saw an opputunity to spread his radical ideas through force.

-1665- The German Treasury allowed some cities units to be upgraded to riflemen, while still staying above 1000 gold, which is the Empire's treasury rule.

-1670- The people are enraged after Cleopatra demands gold from the Teutonic empire, but after fefusing, the Egyptians came to their senses and stayed at peace. The Military Acadamy at Frankfurt is completed, new generals are pouring out with grand ideas. Our brilliant Scientists created a scientific method, and are researching the Egyptian art of replaceable parts.

1675- The Lord of Hammers sees his chance, he orders his troops to act as fake revolutionaries, causing the populace to revolt!

-1695- The brave sailors on the GalleonNuremberg see a battle in the Southeastern seas between the Egyptian IroncladThebes , and the Greek FrigasteAthens . The Egyptians win flawlessley, and our sailors are entertained!

-1670- The Egyptian Cavalry arrived at the southern tip of our empire, crushing the Greeks last city, and killing off a once great empire. Woohoo!

-1700- The revolt ended, and Lord Hammers implemented a Democratic government. He believes the freedom will encourage his workers and scientists to work harder, which will allow him supreme military power in the near future. Muahahaha!

1710- On the last term of his Presidency, Lord Hammers calls for a rapid expansion of the Kiegsmarine, which he believes will help protect the Reich, and will help him consolidate his world power.

- Expand the Navy! Get military scienses! Build Theory of Evolution!

- I feel much better now, a little Civ IS the best medicine.

I guess I'm next. I'll play tonight when I get home.

And about that pic where I was asking what the numbers meant. That wasn't our game, don't worry. It's a game I'm playing on the Realistic Starting Nations scenario from the main pg. Thx for the info Joe.

1715 : Increased research spending from 50% to 60%.

1725 : Learned the Egyptian art of Replaceable Parts. Began work on sanitation.

1730 : Coal City gets Temple, begins barracks.

1735 : Many key rail lines completed.

1740 : More significant rail lines completed

1745 : The English make a ridiculous offer. (See photo.;) ) I tell them I would like all of their gold and their maps...OR ELSE! I was hoping that they would declare war so I could take them out without war weariness. But they chickened out. Learned sanitation. Began studying Corporation to advance to steel then mass production.

1750 : Japan and Egypt sign a MPP. The base internal Fatherland rail system now complete. You can get to any city from any railway with no movement costs. ;)

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I only played 8 turns. Gotta get some X-mas shopping done.

You're up Knight-Dragon

How dare they...
Only one attachment per post, so here's the pic.
I can't believe they had the balls to threaten us in this manner.
I was just gonna kill them, but I didn't know if war weariness would have too great an effect in our Democracy. Plus, I didn't know if it would go away right away if we destroy the final town of a civ... Oh well, we should kill em.

Whoops...

Ohwell and i.Psychosis - Great job!:D

I see the ToE is already started in Munich, awesome. The Intelligence Agency is underway in St. Petersburg too. That could be fun to play with once its done.:D

Every player leaves the next in a better situation, thats why we rule!:king:

Knight Dragon - Good luck, we will all have to do some turns of boring domestic tinkering for now, but soon we will build Panzer ARMIES and crush everyone who dares to rise against us!
:satan:Mwah-hah-hah-hah!

Sorry, I got carried away... ;)

Theres still some old swordsmen left to make armies with, to get the three requirement armies for Pentagon, I mean.

Then you could scare England with them. Oh, I mean the English Isle of Caimbridge.:lol:

Ive never seen an army being built before, and its pretty cool!:D

Nothing much left for me to do but to cont with the railroading of all irrigated and mined tiles and finishing of improvements and Wonders.

Highlights : -

1750 Stopped exports to Egypt of 2 luxuries.

1754 Renegotiated exports to Japan. More income.

1758 The Universal Suffrage is completed.

1760 Founded Bonn on our Continent.

1762 Egyptians started on ToE. Ha!

1768 Researching electronics in 8 turns. Suggest we might as well use the GL in Berlin to complete the Hoover Dam in one turn. Formed the 1st Cavalry Group near that Egyptian city on our Continent. We got lots of cavalry units strewn everywhere on the Continent I think so might as well form Armies fr cavalry.

1772 The Intelligence Agency is finished.

End

Note - The English got MPP with someone (Egypt?), so if you want to attk them, be prepared for a full war.

PS Forgot to mention I've upgraded almost all upgradeable troops to infantry. We still got some swordsmen left over, esp in the southern cities.

:santa: Oh Tannenbaum, Oh Tannenbaum...

In democratic election, a new Chancellor ascends to the Iron Throne once again. Joseph III campaigned on the "Hawk" platform, and militaristic Germans ate it up.

Aquaduct production was halted in several "corrupt" cities, and switched to harbors or infantry. More artillery is ordered as well.

The Golden Age of Germany Begins!

The ToE is completed and our civilization has entered a golden age!!! We recieved Communism and The Corperation for free!

Our production and trade have almost doubled for 20 turns!!! Berlin is cranking out 60 shields per turn!!! We may be able to build the Hoover Dam without the Great Leader. More factories are ordered in our "core" cities in anticipation of the Great Wonder.

In world affairs, another deal is struck with Japan. Luxuries are exchanged (we now produce 12 happy faces in every German city with a marketplace!!!) and a right of passage/mutual protection pact is sealed.

Germany is free to war with England or Egypt without Japaneese intervention. Not that I want to, yet, but it gives us the option. Egypt has more respect for us now, since they must fight us alone if it comes to that.

England, or rather the Island Kingdom of Caimbridge (:lol: ), was approached for tribute. Lets face it, they exist only through our good graces.

Elizabeth, their long-time ruler, has gone quite mad. The loss of her once mighty empire has driven her to delusional behavior, and the English people suffer on their Island.

Printing presses in every city in Germany speak of the horrible conditions endured by the "oppressed" English people under their "evil" leader. After all, their are MANY ethnic English citizens of Germany, they are our brothers.

Germany declares war on the "Government" of Elizabeth, in a war of "liberation". An expeditionary force is assembled at Manchester.

Japan, having an MPP with BOTH Germany AND England, does nothing to interfer. Egypt has no such arrangment, and could care less.

More to follow...

The Mad Queen of Caimbridge thinks she is invincible.

So, is it time for us to assemble a mighty fleet and army to invade Eygpt and raze everything as is our divine right? :D

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
So, is it time for us to assemble a mighty fleet and army to invade Eygpt and raze everything as is our divine right? :D

A very good idea, but I want it started only when we have at least 35 Panzer units(I am excessive, but it is fun) and at least 15 ships(Prefferably destroyers or Battleships, frigates wont do).

Then, I say it is time to attack. This will esure we would win the war. Hey, if we get Egypt soon though, with cavalry, we will have a bigger leeway time to kill Japan.

But Panzers are SO much more fun....

Originally posted by Ohwell
A very good idea, but I want it started only when we have at least 35 Panzer units(I am excessive, but it is fun) and at least 15 ships(Prefferably destroyers or Battleships, frigates wont do).

Then, I say it is time to attack. This will esure we would win the war. Hey, if we get Egypt soon though, with cavalry, we will have a bigger leeway time to kill Japan.

But Panzers are SO much more fun.... That's what I am thinking of. :D I think we shld be nearing to getting motorized transport and so shld be getting our mightly Panzers soon. [dance] We are also producing Armies, so we can form up Panzergruppes.

We can stage our forces in Japan (our MPP partner) and then it's time for Barbarossa! :sniper:

joe, file, joe! You don't really want me to send donsig after you ....... :hammer: :spank:

Joe may not be done with his turn yet...

Knight-Dragon - I am having a serious problem with my PC. I loaded up the game where I left off this morning and it went haywire. I cant load any saves right now.

I could not finish, obviously, so skip my turn until I fix whatever is wrong.

Whoever is after me, start with the last attachment. My entire save file appears to be corrupted. Im going to run a de-frag tonight while Im sleeping. Wish me luck, I had a great SP game going too. :(

Grrrrr :mad:, I hate Microsoft!:hammer:

Alright, up next is donsig! The last saved file is mine and is named reich.zip on pg 3. (Just trying to be helpful :p).

joe, hope you can rejoin us as soon as possible and that your PC ain't having a total breakdown. Good luck!

PS Is your Windows OK? If yes, why don't you try reinstalling Civ3 instead? Might be faster. ;)

Wow, wierd. My PC broke down last week, but at least I don't use
it, I use my Sony Vaio, but was it Windows XP? I have heard there
is very bad problems, games or not.

I reinstalled Civ3, and it seems OK.:crazyeyes:

I think it was my fault, I was trying to create new units yesterday afternoon, and I must have screwed up somewhere. I wish they would hurry up and make an editor patch.

Anyway, good luck to donsig.:goodjob:

Alright then, I'll put you before me, joe.

Glad your PC is OK. Guess your Civ3 files must have been corrupted or something. What have you been inflicting on it? :crazyeyes :p

1774: ToE complete, Golden Age started: we get communism and the corporation. A spy is immediately planted in Thebes...

1776 - 1778: Internal improvements as gold is amassed in order to get Egypt's maps...

1780: Germans perfect electronics and work on steel. Cleo wants atomic theory for her maps. Chancellor Donsig refuses this deal as he has something up his sleeve. Donsig authorizes Mata Hairy in Thebes to steal Egyptian maps for reference in future invasions. 664 gold is authorized to insure the safety of this covert operation.

Mata Hairy is caught red handed. We spent the gold and did not get the maps. Egypt declares war on Germany. Japan follows suit. We lose wine imports.

German swordsmen 'fire the first shots' and capture Egyptian workers near Eretria. A single division of German cavalry captures Eretria.

1782: It's all downhill as all hell breaks loose! Silk City and Coal City fall to massive Japanese cavalry attacks. Riotsin at least 15 cities! England joins the war against Germany. Despite all this the Hoover Dam is started in Berlin and Battlefield Medicine is begun in Munich.

1784: 2 Japanese ships sunk as we lose an ironclad and galleon full of troops. Another 20 city riot causing a major reallocation of resources. Steel falls farther from our grasp.

1786: Civil disorder quelled in all but 2 cities. We lose another ship as does the Japanese navy.

1788: Silk City reverts to us! A glimmer of hope! We lose another frigate while sending 2 Japanese and one English ship to the bottom of the sea.

1790: Silk City falls to another massive Japanese cavalry attack. All four countries lose one ship.

1792: 1 Japanese and 2 Egyptian ships sunk. An army is built in Frankfurt and another started. Riots in York. Palace expanded!?!? Donsig ousted in disgrace and is quoted as saying, "Some Golden Age!"

Well, this was not good. I barely managed to keep the treasury above 1000 and our science rate went into the toilet.

Been trying to build up a navy...

I have left a big mess for whoever is next. It will certainly be a challenge. No one will accept our envoys...

I think the Egyptians are heading for Eretria and here is the Coastal Defense:

Wow. Some mess. Interesting though. Good luck Ohwell.

We got communism on my first turn and I never even thought of switching govs when the sh*t hit the fan...

:eek: Oh man, this is the second time in a row I have had to change govwentments, communism is a must. Though we seem to be at a disadvantage, a little TLC to our defense forces and Navy wont hurt at all! Game coming in a bit, I feel the need to help the Reich so im playing 15 turns.

Up next - Ohwell. You can play up to 20 turns if you wish to. ;)

I say we go to total war and just kill all of them. Mwahahahaha! :satan: We won't play Mr Nice Guy anymore. :D First thing, we shld build up our Kriegsmarine and secure the seas now.

donsig, don't worry about it. War with the rest of the world is inevitable, considering the world is ours in the first place. :D Mwahahaha!

Before I go on, you MUST read this! I intend to begin a new strategy, I call it operation Richtoffen. The objective is to capture ALL cities, and RAZE THEM ALL. THIS WILL PREVENT CULTURE FLIPS! I MUST INSIST WE DO THIS, IT IS NECCESARY, HEED MY WORDS!

- Lord Hammers intends to revolt, and does so.

-The Kiegsmarine was expanded enough to allow attacking forces to get to egypt.

-After the revolt was over, the Communism was in place, and was perfect!

- A peace treaty with Japan, and got them to attack Egypt

- A great convoy of 4 fully loaded galleons reached EGypt, and razed Buto! However, the army that was sent died sadly, forcing us to rely on our lone cavalry brigades. MAKE MORE ARMIES AND SEND THEM! WE HAVE THE CHANCE, AS THE JAPANESE NAVY KILLED EGYPTS NAVY!!

- WE MUST RAZE ALL ENEMY CITIES! WE MUST GET PANZERS!

- All of the above is not a joke, I AM DEAD SERIOUS. RAZE ALL!

Didn't I just say - KILL THEM ALL ? ;)

Alright, up next Psychosis. KILL THEM ALL!

Well, I thought you meant to just capture them all, but even if you didnt, just clarifying that everyone would raze EVERYTHING, not just one or two cities. Too bad our standing army is horrible, some of our cities have only one defender! This, I believe is more inportant than our navy right now. Our navy has the seas under control marginally, and that is all we need for now. Our army is more inportant right now.


I. Psycosis - Just build 20 more or less cavalry, plus armies, and launch Operation Rictoffen! If we can't have the land, nobody will:flamedevi

Well, I thought you meant to just capture them all, but even if you didnt, just clarifying that everyone would raze EVERYTHING, not just one or two cities. Too bad our standing army is horrible, some of our cities have only one defender! This, I believe is more inportant than our navy right now. Our navy has the seas under control marginally, and that is all we need for now. Our army is more inportant right now.We'll leave it to the wisdom of the next Chancellor. ;)

Suggestion - Leave one or two captured and convenient coastal cities to serve as our secured bases and for troops to heal and land and raze all the rest. And it's time for the English to go .... quietly into the night. :)

I. Psycosis - Just build 20 more or less cavalry, plus armies, and launch Operation Rictoffen! If we can't have the land, nobody will:flamedeviAmen to that! :D

Maybe tonight, probably tomorrow morning. Christmas drunkie, righ new. Ha. Ho. Ho.

J/k.

Not really.

Time for that "domination victory" I was talking about a few days ago.:D

Good job to everyone! The crisis was handled VERY well.

My only hope is that we get to use some panzers and bombers before ALL the enemy cities are squashed.

:lol:

EDIT: We need steel, refining, combustion, mass production and finaly motorized trans. About 20 or 30 turns...?

Im drooling on the keyboard...:crazyeyes

. Shorten that tech list! We already have steel, and are fairly into refining! Oh,
This is going to be a god new years if we get our panzers:love:

I. Psycosois- Just a suggestion- The Japanese are Polite toward us, thqanks to
me:love: . But they are giving us a luxury we desperatley need. They are
also allied with us against Egypt, so dont attack them until Egypt seems worn
down, unless you want to, that is ok too:D

Good luck, Psycosis! Long live the Reich! Long live The German Communism!

Alas, but I am a simple scribe, these tales are accurate as reported from the field. The Mad One has left with the Army bound for the Egyptian continent.

1826: An army of calvary units was assembeled at Manchester, in preperation for invasion.

1828: The bombing of Nanking and Shantung begins. The Mad One, in hopes of cutting off the northernmost city on that penninsula from the rest of their empire, ordered these cities shelled to prepare for invasion. Destroyed many city improvements, including barracks.

1830: Army boards escorted transport.

1832: England and Egypt declare a peace treaty. The Mad One foams at the mouth and vows to destroy the insolent Queen. The scholars bring news of Battlefield Medicine to the enraged ruler.

1834: Egypt and Japan declare a peace treaty. This in turn convinces Japan to declare war on us. The Mad One nearly bites off his own tounge when he hears of the Japanese trechery. He boards a ship bound for Cambridge to help lay siege to their last city.

1836: The combined forces of the Egyptian and Japanese navy sink several frigates. Our Ironclads survive.

1838: Japan appears to withdraw their forces from our coastline, while Egypt lands a force of 4 calvary on the southern tip of our continent.

1840: Word from our invasion in Cambridge is excellent. England fell with no casualties. The Mad One beheads the Queen and places her head on the bow of his flagship headed for Egypt. He orders the city NOT to be razed for defense purposes. (We wouldn't want Egypt to get a little island city near us.)

1842: Egyptian forces attack our souther cities and are easily repelled. A few stray units remain. Clean-up of the invasion party continues.

1844: Egyptian fleet of 3 ironclads attack our 2 ironclads off the eastern coast. Our ironclad crew has learned much from this battle and are now Elite! Word from afar tells of the Mad One's arival on the enemy's continent.

Japan is really being a nusiance. I fortified many of our coastal cities with x-tra inf. I was going to try and cut off that northern most city from the rest of their empire and then capture it for an operational base there. By cutting it off we could prevent it flopping back (maybe.) Dunno. Those pesky Japanese. Well, at least the English are no more. YEAH! I got to finish em! Thanks.

Go for it joe.

Nice job! We are starting to gain a foothold on the Egyptian continent, and may just yet get our domination victory, as spoken by joespaniel. Anyway, now that the Japanese are against us again, I fear our navy needs to be tinkered up again. But the Great Chancellors of the Reich can handle it:goodjob:

So, this is it. Germany against the rest of the world.

Lets pause for a minute and reflect on all the civilizations that once thrived on this world for 5000 years. Russia, England, Greece, China...

All but a memory.

Now there are three.

Japan - The weakest power, and fair-weather friend. Not to be trusted, but not feared either. The Japanese will be German or Egyptian one day...

Egypt and Germany - The Superpowers. Neither willing to co-exist with the other, and both practicly equal in power. Bitter enemies, now locked in a struggle to destroy the other, once and for all.

Egypt is well established, with a firm grasp on its territory. Cleopatra is no fool, she is playing well, and playing for keeps. However, Egypt is an Ancient Age power.

Germany, on the other hand, is just now coming of age. Germany is an INDUSTRIAL AGE POWER! Its vaunted and feared "special unit" is about to make its appearance, and in fearsome "armies" called Panzergruppen!

It will be an epic struggle, and the citizens of all nations of the world will hold their breath when these two giants finally meet for the final confrontation.

The new Chancellor of Germany, Joseph III, begins his reign with a resounding proclamation:

"All will be German, or dead."

I will post my summary by Friday night, as I have to work all day tomorow.

Sorry, but thats life. Thats what all the people say...

All Hail Joe the Conqueror!:king:

Joe, Joe, he's our man if he can't do it, no one can!:cool:
:tank: :egypt: :tank:

"Give me more soldiers, noble leader, so that they might sheath their
swords into the beating hearts of their enemies!"

My thoughts exactly. I love this game in that proven, solid tactics will
work. I will post the superiorness of our panzers to show all that
Panzers are capable of.

- Suprise- The panzers quick speed can throw an enemy off guard,
sometimes causing the enemy to panic and flee.

- Attack- Our panzers, due to our superior engineering and science,
are capable of massive destruction to a large area.

- Defense- Our reinforced armor is capable of being nearly invulnerable
to bullets, shells, even some forms of artillery.

- Combined, these allow for massive destructoin in a quick frenzy,
all but eliminating a counterattack.

- I wish to have mighty legions of panzers, maybe 40, and unleash them
on strategic areas, and use the blitzkrieg!

-The German Military Science Center

Ive played about seven or eight turns now, and it is time consuming.

Some highlights:

Numerous naval battles - We sank half a dozen enemy ships for the loss of one ironclad. Egyptian ships are pummeling our east coast near the Greek cities. Massing our ships to attack there now.

My very first turn (before ending the initial start) - Unfortified some infantry around the south cape and wiped out the Egyptians in our territory. The former player could have done this.

With railroads, our artillery can be quite effective!:D

First enemy turn (after ending my start) - Our cavalry and army in Egypt is annihilated in short order, by Egyptian cavalry. They had no infantry nor artillery with them.

Cavalry is now totaly obsolete. I am building mostly infantry and artillery, due to their upgradeability. And ironclads, ofcourse.

Am running a huge money deficit to boost tech. Communism is killing us in trade, we lose HALF in corruption every turn. However, due to the massive unhappiness from war-weariness, we are stuck with it. There is no other alternative.

Frankfurt - Our Army city, is in trouble. MASSIVE corruption is crippling it. I switched production to factory, now courthouse. Police station is next ( it lowers corruption too).

Then, and only then, will it be back in action. It was losing over 60% of its shields before.

Homefront - Changing strategy:

No more aquaducts or hospitals. Growth is pointless, lets build units. In fact, I might just mobilize for war after Frankfurt is on-line again. We do not need any more improvements, except for harbors (to build veteran ships, and heal damaged ships).

There were damaged ships fortified on open ocean. FYI - A damaged ship only heals in a city with a harbor.

I switched alot of irrigation to mines, to slow or stop city growth and increase production. Temples dont kill Egyptians, infantry does.:D

There is almost no work left for the workers anymore. Repairing the damage from Egyptian bombardment, and increasing railroad never hurts either.

We are getting closer to panzers, but it wont be during my turn. The next chancellor may get that honor...

Naval battles galore! We win all of them!

Four more Egyptian ironclads go to the sea bottom.

We now have destroyers!

Our western ocean navy is strong, the east still weak, and thats where the enemy is pumping out ships. We have to sail some boats around the cape to the eastern ocean.

There are four transports near Manchester for an invaision armada, they should be sailed around to the east under escort too.

I didnt mobilize, as once we do, there is no going back. If we plan to build any more wonders, we should wait.

Massing troops at Berlin and several other cities, no more landings in Germany have been attempted.

We should land in the heart of Egypt and siege their core cities.

Good luck to the next chancellor.

Oh,how I dream, of a great, navy, just like the ones I used to know....

YES! DESTROYERS! WE SHALL RULE THE KNOWN SEAS! And transports are
great! They can defend against ironclads well. Now that I know my navy is
great, I shall hold a banquet in Moscow tomarrow, but only if it is done
rioting:D

You might have noticed I love navies:love: :lol: . I hope donsig can get the
panzers so that on my turn they will be plentiful and awaiting command:D .

I doubt donsig will get panzers, unless he plays 20 turns, but he will get battleships and submarines for sure.:D

I hope you guys arent mad that I blew most of our gold to research faster. :rolleyes:

I felt we needed to forge ahead in tech or fall victim to an Egyptian armoured assault before we ever build the first panzer.

Remember that Egypt has almost ALL the great wonders of the world from the middle-ages. We should "liberate" them... someday.;)

Us communists don't care about gold, joe.

It's Knight-Dragon's turn then me, nicht war?

I guess its too late for me to jump back in. Its all but decided now :).

Great work everyone.

Originally posted by Mike C
I guess its too late for me to jump back in. Its all but decided now :).

Great work everyone. It's never too late. Still too many things to do, even for one turn. I'll put you in somewhere. :)

Fr the looks of things, it'll be hard to invade Egypt. We don't have a foothold anywhere and they got 50+ cavalry. I think we shld land some inf on some coastal mountain and let these pesky horse troops wear themselves out, then wipe them out with our fast formations.

Egypt wanted to make peace with us but told them to piss off. Began war mobilization. This would be the Great War, the war to end all wars. At the rate of our research, the next Wonder is eons away.

Also now got a sizeable naval presence in the Eastern Ocean. Of course, the Western Ocean belonged to us with our warships roaming at will. The Egyptians got only 2-3 ships in their entire navy.

Posted our new inf all over the big cities as mil police. Once we have Panzers, we'll have all the inf support we need. ;)

Note - We shld put more inf in bigger cities as mil police. Can have 4 mil police for each city under Communism.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
Egypt wanted to make peace with us but told them to piss off.

Thats nice.:lol:

Of course, the Western Ocean belonged to us with our warships roaming at will. The Egyptians got only 2-3 ships in their entire navy.

Yeah, I sent almost a dozen enemy ships to Davey Jone's Locker.:D Im sure they are building more...

Knight-Dragon - Did you make it to battleships? I cant wait for the thunder to fall on their shores.

"Knight-Dragon - Did you make it to battleships? I cant wait for the thunder to fall on their shores."

Nope, no battleships. Even if we can build them, it'll take forever to build a sizeable fleet of them, considering our lack of ports with massive shield prod. Building destroyers will be faster and more effective, considering the lack of enemy ships. :)

Besides when I took over, it was like 32 turns until finished researching mass prod. I cut it down but still left 3-4 turns before we're getting it. ;)

Note - Anytime we need to build a Wonder, just make peace with Japan (or Egypt if we're really desperate), stop the war mobilization, build the the Wonder, then use the GL in Berlin to finish it. Remember we still have the GL.

Up next - donsig.

At this rate, I won't see any panzers:( Our cities are resembling WWII era Ge4rmany, with
not many ports. At least we don't need them, I do hope the Japanese Imperial Navy is gone,
right?

Oh the Japs landed once somewhere in the olde England but finished off the cavalry forces before they could even take a puff. Then killed off their ironclad escort and galleon. Like I said, we got a sizeable naval presence in the Eastern Ocean of about 3-4 destroyers and some more ironclads. ;)

I think I did sink another 1 or 2 Jap ship and a few Egyptian ships. Other than that, didn't see much of enemy naval forces. But Egypt got an obscene number of 50+ cavalry though so keep note. But only 2-3 ships. :)

Comrade Siggy is voted to head the party when rioting breaks out in Berlin in 1878. On the high seas Geman admirals sink a Jap ship and an Egyptain destroyer while the rest of the navy shells the eastern Egyptian coast. A destroyer is built in Hannover in 1882. It will forever steam in the Inland Sea.:crazyeyes A couple years later Comrade Siggy instutes the 'assembly line' throughout Germany. He phases out the production of ground forces in favor of boosting German scientific endeavors.

Global warming causes civil disorder in Minsk. An army is completed in Frankfurt and work begins on a powerful new ship to be called a 'battleship'. More global warming in 1888 and rioting in Birmingham in 1890. Despite this Comrade Siggy continues his programs and is admired by the people.:)

Comrade Siggy travells to Odessa in 1892 to witness the launching of an 'unterzee' boat. He instructs the Odessa docks to begin a top-secret project. Something to do with a 'flat-topped' ship.

Jap cavalry lands near Bremen causing rioting in Tblisi. The German Home Guard easily repels the Japanes 'invasion'. 1896 sees rioting in Kiev and Nuremburg as Operation Toe-hold commences. 9 infantry and 17 artillery divisions (accompanied by 6 corps of combat engineers) land on Mount Toe-Hold on the Egyptian continent. Four cavalry attack the Mount and are repelled but 2 Egyptian armies take position at the foot of the Mount. The German navy shells the forces beseiging the Mount and do such a good job that most of Operation Toe-Hold's artillery remains dormant. German infantry storm down the Mount and easily destroy the two armies and two cavalry. Work is begun on Fort Toe-Hold.

The Egyptians counter-attack killing 2 infantry divisions at the foot of the Mount. The Japanese sue for peace and for 150 gold Comrade Siggy grants their wish. He then gives them spices and incense for an alliance agianst Egypt.

4 infantry divistions and a like number of engineers reinforce the Mount. Peace with Japan took the German economy off of a war footing. An Egyptian transport was sunk in 1904 and an Egyptian battleship was sunk trying to escape from the port at El Armana. 3 infantry divisions lost and artillery and engineers captured in Operation Foot Hold. Comrade Siggy reinforces the Mount and cancels further sorties for the time being.

Berlin riots once more in 1908. Comrade Siggy quells the riots by unveiling the production of a new weapon he calls the 'Panzer'.:) Comrade Siggy passes into history with a smile on his face...

I played about 15 turns because I didn't want to stop until we got the PANZER tech!

Most of our cities are producing wealth because that is how I was able to up the science rate and still increace our navy. We are also on normal economy. I leave it my successor to straighten all that out. He is repayed by being able to build panzers now. He also has the forces of Operation Toe-Hold at his disposal. Her's at look at those:

Nice job Donsig. Looks like Japan paid heavily for their alliance with us.

Originally posted by donsig
A destroyer is built in Hannover in 1882. It will forever steam in the Inland Sea.:crazyeyesYou can move it out of the Inland Sea into the Western Ocean via Brighton. ;) I too was wondering who's building all those ships in all those ports around the Inland Sea when it struck me. :lol:

The Inland Sea has an outlet? I sure missed it! Well, we've got a destroyer sitting there doing nothing. We should move it to the front.

Yeah, the Japs got eaten up by the Egyptians. That alliance was meant to distract Cleo while Operation Toe-Hold was implemented. I imagine pretty soon the Egyptians will be running to all those Japanese cities they've just taken - because our Panzers will be razing their cities!

:tank:

Originally posted by donsig
The Inland Sea has an outlet? I sure missed it! Well, we've got a destroyer sitting there doing nothing. We should move it to the front.

Yeah, the Japs got eaten up by the Egyptians. That alliance was meant to distract Cleo while Operation Toe-Hold was implemented. I imagine pretty soon the Egyptians will be running to all those Japanese cities they've just taken - because our Panzers will be razing their cities!

:tank: Not an outlet exactly. More of a canal. Brighton connects the Inland Sea to the Western Ocean.

Didn't expect the Japs to last 2 secs against the Egyptians. ;) Pretty soon, they'll be retreating to their island northwards.

PANZERS FOR THE NEW YEAR! THANK YOU DONSIG!:goodjob:

Oh, I feel so good inside, I can't believe I will get panzers. Will play immediatley( Give or take a few hours)

PANZERS FOR THE NEW YEAR! THANK YOU DONSIG!

You're welcome!:D

I saved at the beginning of 1908, not at the end of a turn like usual. All I did was have Berlin start a Panzer then I abdicated. You'll have to do alot of production switching as most cities are making wealth. Now that we have panzers I think we can lower the science rate. We also have a healthy treasury so a bit of a deficeit shouldn't hurt.

When I made peace with Japan our economy reverted to normal. Since I only had a few turns to go I left it that way but I'm sure you'll want to go back on a war footing in order to crank out the panzers!:tank:

I. Psycosis is going to have a ball! I have 40 something panzers on egpytian soil, 2 armies, and another army in Frankfurt! The panzers and armies are all stacked along with the artillery and infantry inside the new colony I built for no apparent reason. There are 2 or 3 units needing repair, let them, and move the entire stack together, so the units wont ever really die.

-1908- Egyptian Battleship Memphis sunk!

1910- SS Bismarck built!

1926- 3 transports of panzers ready, one more to go, one is on standby.

1928- The invasion fleet has set sail!

1930- The invasion fleet landed on fort Mount!

1936- The great army to end all wars has burned Veii to the ground with only one loss, Panzer brigade 34:(

Whohhhooooooo! This army is huge! It must have 100 units, at least. WOW! If we keep them together with the two armies provididng escourt, the units will never die!

- Burn all cities, we don't need them.

- You might instead want two seperate legions, one army each, and the remaining forces split up between them.

- I. Psycosis, take care of my babies well...:lol:

Can't wait to get home and play. I'll try to get my turns in b4 New Year's Festivities. I work all day New Year's Day, so if not...till then. But, I'm pretty sure tonight.

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My wife has other plans for me. Won't be able to play till Friday.
Sorry, happy new year, and long live the Reich.

Originally posted by i.Psychosis
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My wife has other plans for me. Won't be able to play till Friday.
Sorry, happy new year, and long live the Reich. Sorry to hear that.

Alright, up next is joespaniel and after that, Mike C!

Well, its too bad he couldnt play, it was a very interesting game I played. Joespaniel, you are at the head of millions of troops, tens of thousands of panzer tanks, and thousands of artillery pieces!

Originally posted by Ohwell
Joespaniel, you are at the head of millions of troops, tens of thousands of panzer tanks, and thousands of artillery pieces!

All in a days work, my friend...;)

Good job guys!

I intend to smash as many cities as possible, they can build all the new ones they want because it wont matter. I have a plan to trap their giant cavalry force and destroy it, we'll see if it works.

Im the one who started building ships in the inland sea. I was getting tired of the two barbarian galleys roaming around in there for thousands of years.:lol:

I should have mentioned the "canal" at Brighton though. Sorry!

Happy New Year everyone!
[party] [dance]

You might notice many of the cities are still building wealth, but they were building panzers until I had a large amount, then I needed some economic stimulus so I switched to wealth in some large cities. Panzers are still coming every turn!

There is a carrier waiting in the gulf of, whatever, in the east sea near a city. There are bombers being built, soon we will have the full carrier! It is called the Graf Zeppelin, and will set sail around 1946, which is when the bombers will be ready.

Egypt is collapsing like a house of cards!!!

Ive played two turns, and have them reeling back, unable to stop the German onslaught! Panzers are slicing up everything in their path!

I think this is it guys, we may be on the brink of global domination.

Technology is irrelevent now, no one will be left if we turn Egypt into a wasteland. We can use some revenue and luxurxies, so I switched it a little.

It was a good idea, donsig, but things are evolving rapidly in our favor, and we wont have need of new tech. Just a few more panzers.:D

I am kicking out two new settlers to build port cities in Egypt, to expedite unloading troops and to heal damaged units. I will also link them to our mainland with airports!

I need about 7 or 8 more turns to get things together, then I will relinquish command. Dont worry, theres enough Egypt left for everyone to get a shot at being a panzer-general.

I secured our ties with Japan, they are pretty screwed anyway, but will fight Egypt with us for now. Plus they gave us some gold for horses and iron, as they have none of their own.

German armies have razed 4 Egyptian cities so far, two of which were over size 20! We are pressing hard everywhere, they cannot mount an effective counter-attack yet.

Will report again soon.

-Fieldmarshall Spaniel signing off.

I am glad you enjoyed my precious panzers, I am VERY glad to see it working in our favor. If only it were my turn...

How about that carrier? Any bombers yet? Sure, we won't need them, but, yeah.

What is the infantry doing, just sitting around getting drunk? The artillery rusting? We don't really need either, our panzers can handle it:D .

Good Job, Fieldmarshal. I will tell of your stunning victory to the new Chancellor.

The Egyptian Front

Egyptian resistance is increasing, but German armor continues its push towards Thebes with heavy infantry and artillery support.

Our casualties have been light. So far.

16 more panzers arriving from Germany will go into action soon.

Our great leader, Horsa, formed an infantry army that will act as a moving fortification for the panzer armies. They have yet to unleash their cavalry, which is still almost 50 strong, thus the need for a strong defensive unit.

The Sistine Chapel has been destroyed along with the city of Rome! Hopefully this will hurt the Egyptians a little.

Our strategy is simple:

Thebes (assuming it still is the capitol) and all surrounding cities will be destroyed. This should put a serious wrench on their production and science capacity. I hope.

If so, they should begin to fall apart after that.

Right now, the situation is up in the air. We could win, or lose horribly. We are taking it one battle at a time.

More to follow.

-Fieldmarshall Spaniel signing off

EDIT: GREAT job building up our empire for war. Thanks for the excellent starting position! I hope I can pull it off. Have 5 or 6 more turns to go, and each one takes about a half-hour. Lots to do.

Save some of the action for the rest of us, Herr Reichsmarshal. :)

We are still pushing into the Egyptian heartland, burning everything in our path. Going is slow, but steady. The tanks MUST wait for the infantry and artillery or perish on their own.

All Egyptian workers are disbanded now as they are captured, for two reasons. We dont need them, and the Egyptian cavalry will zero in on them to try and get them back. I used them once as bait, and it sort of backfired causing us to lose our two panzer armies.

A massive counter-attack killed 6 panzers, 2 panzer armies and 5 infantry for the loss of 12 Egyptian cavalry, and over 20 retreated away damaged. I did re-capture 4 artillery and kill 12 Egyptian riflemen/infantry units in the process. All attacking German forces are now in one massive army, instead of smaller groups that can get picked off.

Our army:
10 artillery
12 infantry
20+ panzers (12+ more in rear healing)
1 panzer army
1 infantry army

Egyptian armor is showing up in small numbers, too. The damn cavalry hordes are bad enough. However, it seems they are going on the defensive, and if they are, so much the better for us.

The new city of Bremershaven was built on the Egyptian coast, and a barracks was rushed. Airport next turn. It is MASSIVELY fortified, otherwise the Egyptian cavalry will sweep it aside.

The aircraft carrier is slowly filling with bombers and fighters. It is being rushed to the open ocean to meet with several battleships and destroyers to form a task force. These ships are stacked like our army. Egypt has over 20 bombers and is attacking our ships in the East Ocean. We need fighter cover there badly.

Our gallant navy has bottled up most of the Egyptian port cities, and is bombarding the hell out of everything. Our destroyers and an elite ironclad sank two of their battleships!!!

The East Ocean is still a free for all, but once the carrier gets there we should gain superiority. Then we'll bombard the hell out of their entire West Coast too.

There will be plenty of action for many turns to come, this will be a very, very long war.

Slow and steady is the key.

-Fieldmarshall Spaniel signing off

The city of Bremershaven was pounded time after time, but the garrison held! The Egyptian army was worn down very badly in its counter-attacks, and did little damage to our forces.

In a stunning feat of arms, German panzers raided a town previously by-passed, that held the entire Egyptian bomber force and destroyed it! 16 bombers wiped out! Now they have none!

A good thing too, because they were pounding the hell out of Bremershaven for awhile there.

They still have fighters scattered around, so watch what you bomb. I lost a bomber to air-superiority fighters.

The tedious work of marching into the center of Egypt continues. More of their largest cities have been destroyed, we are getting close to Thebes. Slow and steady. The armor moves with the infantry and artillery, and it stays alive. Damaged units were sent to Bremershaven to heal, then back to the front.

They will undoubtedly continue to attack Bremershaven, so keep alot of force there. All the railroads around it are pretty chewed up, but going outside the city is suicide so it will have to get by.

Good luck, bring them to their knees!:hammer:

Herr joe, don't you need to sleep? :) It must be almost dawn over there since over here I'm about to get off work! I salute your dedication to the greatness of our Reich.

Did you build Breme-whatever on a coastal mountain or at least hill? Anyway, good job! :goodjob: I esp love the destruction of the entire Egyptian bomber force ...... :lol:

Up next - Mike C! You have 72 hrs.

I slept all day yesterday because we had a party at our house on New Years.[party]

So I was up late...:sleep:

*Hint* There is enough artillery, but with some more infantry, a second city-smashing task force could be formed. I would do so, but be carefull not to leave Bremershaven lightly defended. The Egyptians have made it their mission to destroy it, and their counter-attacks have been unbelieveably brutal.

I would guess the Egyptians have lost 50 units trying to destroy Bremershaven, note they only have 11 cavalry left. My little trap worked pretty good, but we lost heavy too. Fortunately for us, we can absorb the losses, they cant.

We stand on the brink of a domination victory! Forty more turns or so should do it (four more players) is my guess, if we dont make any serious mistakes.

*Big Hint* We have no need to build any more improvements or wonders, just panzers, fighters, bombers and infantry.

You know, the FUN stuff. ;)

I was ignoring all Egyptian colonies and cities under size 12 (unless they were in the way), to push at the heartland. Destroying their ethnic "core" cities will weaken them fataly, I think. They also have a shortage of workers, except for some they captured from us, they have few.

Watch out, they arent through yet, and they are fighting back hard.

Most importantly, enjoy the panzers! I love the noises they make, and the way they bounce when they move! Panzers rule!

Our titanic empire, poised to conquer the world, all started here:

Oh the nostalgia! I cant believe berlin without railroads! Well. I haven't seen Mike C in
ages! Knight Dragon may have to play, or whoever's turn it is. I don't know.

Whomever is neext- Have fun!

Everyone from now on PLEASE only play 10 turns, I wish to be able to use the panzers.
Sure, I built the first wave, but I only razed one city:(

This is my favorite of all the SSG's, Maybe Joespaniel or Knight- Dragon can start a
Chinese one! Yet another Militaristic one, and those Mongol riders are awesome!:king:

Anyway, nice to see that the units are all stacked to minimise losses:D

Re: A Look Back

I've got that shot as my wall paper at work. Had it there since we started the gamne!

I'm here, its a big game with lots of units. Give me some time

Originally posted by Mike C
I'm here, its a big game with lots of units. Give me some time Update - min no of turns is now 5 turns. Since each turn will take so long, I guess it's bout right. You're still free to play up to 20 turns but like Ohwell said, give the rest of us a share in the glory of our Panzers. ;)

Go, Mike! Make my life easier!

Originally posted by Ohwell
This is my favorite of all the SSG's, Maybe Joespaniel or Knight- Dragon can start a
Chinese one! Yet another Militaristic one, and those Mongol riders are awesome!:king:I did think of continuing a new SG but let's wait till we're finished with this one first. ;) Then we'll talk bout it.

Which shldn't take that long. :lol:

PS Well, it doesn't hurt to talk about it now. :) Whoever wants to join up in a Chinese succession game after this one ends, tell me.

I agree, we shouldn't celebrate yet. Mike C. and the rest of you have a monumental task to complete.

I had to concentrate intensely to keep track of all that was going on, plus theres well over 200 units to command. Thats why I tried to make the homefront easier to manage, by slowing city growth and raising the luxury rate. Plus chasing pollution is a pain in the @$$, and will comsume most of the workers time.

We dont need any more tech if Thebes falls.

Egypt, for all intensive purposes is done for. I got lucky with two things, trapping and slaughtering their cavalry at Bremershaven, and the destruction of their bomber force. They have much less force to counter-attack with now.

With the loss of enough high population / high shield producing cities, they will be too weak to offer any real threat. Then we mop up everyone left.

The slow and steady style of assaulting their cities will ensure several of you will get to take at least one more turn. And ensure their destruction without heavy German losses.

Knight-Dragon - Once we finish this, hopefully with a domination victory, I would also be interested in starting another. The Chinese would be fun, I havent played them yet.

To Everyone Who Participated - In my humble opinion, this is the best sucession game of Civ3 in the whole forum, hands down, and Im proud to have played it with you guys. I learned alot, and had much fun!

Now lets finish it! Achtung! Panzer, marsch! Give 'em hell, Mike.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, I was having some slight problems with the air-superiorty function, even though I have installed 1.16. It works, but sometimes the game freezes up for a minute or two. Saving, exiting Civ3 and restarting the game fixed it for me.

If anyone has any problems, let me know. I'll try to help.

When you stack ships, like 2 destroyers, one bombards in defense against attacks by enemy ships, much like a stack of infantry with cannons in it.

I found this out when an Egyptian battleship came out of the fog and attacked our stack (several destryoyers and an ironclad). Our destroyers fired first, knocking hit points off the Egyptian battleship, thus helping our last ship defend, which it did succesfully!

I didnt know this worked with ships untill then. A nice surprise!

Knight-Dragon- Let Mike C have another day- he hasn't played in a while and I would feel bad if he was skipped- It has been 3 days, but I would prefer if he had some more time:D

Mike did say to give him more time and so we shall give him all the time he needs. ;) We all need a little break fr the trials of war anyways. :)

Go, Mike! Give them hell! :sniper:

Im feeling a little "war weariness" from moving 200 units around for 10 turns. Thats 2000 moves! :crazyeyes

Im eager to see what Mike does, he is quite the aggressive player. I expect to see some blank map where parts of Egypt used to be. :lol:

Its been five days, Im afraid Mike C is a no show.

Knight Dragon, you should go now. If Mike has more time in the future he can always jump back in.

Its only fair to everyone. No one is angry or anything. Lets just get things going, were stalled out.

Yes, I agree. Maybe Mike has some trouble with his PC. Maybe he just doesn't like CFC anymore:eek: . Naa, he probably forgot:D .
I wish he could have played... he really would have kicked Cleo's arse!

Originally posted by joespaniel
Its been five days, Im afraid Mike C is a no show.

Knight Dragon, you should go now. If Mike has more time in the future he can always jump back in.

Its only fair to everyone. No one is angry or anything. Lets just get things going, were stalled out. Oh, alright. Will play tonite when I get home fr work. ;)

Mike, I'll skip you for now. Sorry! :o

Wow! I don't even know where to start looking at. Only played 2 turns cos tired tonite but even those two turns took like at least an hr! :eek:

1953
Found Bremenshaver to be without walls! Resolved to rectify before too late next turn.

Also found we need to wage a resource war on the Egyptians, specifically oil. They're pumping out tanks and mechs with impunity. Can see that they have 2 oil tiles; one just west of Bremenshaver and one more north of Shantung.

Used our fleet to blast out the rail/roads in the tile north of Shantung.

1954
Some Egyptian tanks wandered into Bremenshaver. Disposed of them handily with artillery plus Panzers for a final strike. We also took care of that Egyptian oil colony using a mighty Panzer formation.

Egyptian workers repairing roads in that oil tile north of Shantung. Blasted it out again; continue blasting those roads leading south towards Shantung and the rest of the Egyptian empire.

Our mighty Luffwaffe bomber bombed Elephantine and shot down an interceptor! [dance]

Bombarding Lisht back into the Stone Age! :lol: Note they've mechs defending the city so it's no longer safe for our Panzers to attk them head-on.

1955
Building the Pentagon in St Petersburg; finishing in 9 turns. ;) The Egyptians counterattked Bremenshaver. Lost some inf. :( Got a worker to join city and then rushed the walls.

Cont bombarding Lisht! Now size 4. We can move on the next city once it reaches 1. :D

Our newest Panzergruppen boarding the transport bound for Egypt. ;)

Airlifted an inf into Bremenshaver. Only 2 inf now in total to defend the city.

End

Note - Now max of 20 turns per person. No minimun. I find each turn is damn tiring. :crazyeyes

Up next - donsig!

Now they have Mech Inf... @#$%&*!!!

Well, we have alot of artillery with those panzers, lets use it.

Good job of cutting their resources KD. I did not think of that when it was my turn, my bad! Hopefully it will slow them down a little more.

I warned about their counter-attacks against Bremershaven, now you know what I mean. They are hell-bent on destroying that city! donsig - You might want to get some more infantry to Bremershaven on the double! It will slow down our offensive if we lose that base.

I was keeping a minimun of 6 infantry there, and reinforcing every turn. The attrition is awful, but they lost more than us.

Happy panzering! Raze Thebes!:tank: :egypt: :tank:

Ah crap! Mech Inf! How did our brilliant scientists let the puny, backward, uncivilized tribe of egypt discover computers! Tell our scientists that if they want to get payed, they have to research Synthetic Fibers . We absolutley need those modern armors, more so than infantry. I would think a few more carriers would be with merit, the bombers must take out large science cities, as well as heavily defended ones.

Maybe we should have wished for thebes for new years, not panzers:lol:

It's dangerous to use the Panzers to hit the cities now cos they're conscripting mechs heavily (at least at Lisht). Best we can do is to fire our artillery away and kill as many pop and destroy as many imp as we could, and then move on to the next target city. Slow but effective. We need mechs ourselves and ever more artillery.

Also dangerous to use bombers cos they've fighters providing air superiority. I lost one fighter while strafing one city somewhere. :(

joe, they've mechs when I got the game. ;) Could have built Bremenshaver on a hill at least and also city walls. Was left with one inf and airlifted one in at the end of the Egyptian counterattk.

We must deny oil to the Egyptians at all costs.

Bremershaven was attacked by 7 or 8 tanks and we lost our infantry garrison and took damage to some of our tanks. Our counter-attack wiped out their 4 remaining tanks and the accompanying mech. infantry. Special citation for the Bremershaven Cavalry Div. which took out the last tank. 5 infantry divisions were immediately airlifted to the scene and they were attacked by 5 tanks cutting our infantry garrison to 4 divisions. More airlifts pending as two more airports are under construction in Germany. Egyptian infantry took up positions in the hills near Bremershaven. We expect to dislodge them easily since we still hold the fortified mountains.

The oil supply near Kaifeng was cut and an Egyptian battleship was sunk in the area. We will continue bombarding the roads in that area. The GIA has identified 3 sources of rubber and we hope to target these as well. The supply sout of Neapolis is susceptible to naval bombardment. The other two supplies are north of Heliopolis and south of Alexandria. The other source of oil has eluded us though there is an old record of it somewhere... The GIA also determined that Egyptian citizens enjoy 5 different luxuries but they have at least 4 of each so depriving them of even one luxury would be a difficult task.

Hangchow was razed and the captured workers disbanded. We also captured a catapult. The army has orderes to move on Alexandria next.

One of our carriers lost a bomber in a raid on Busirus.

Our goals are to deprive Egypt of oil and/or coal; raze Alexandria and move onto Thebes; create a second army to strike into another part of Egypt; extend our defensive cordon around Bremershaven.

More to come...

EDIT: Our goal should read 'deprive Egypt of oil and/or rubber' rather than coal! BTW they have 5 coal, 7 saltpeter, 4 iron and 6 horses.

Great work you guys!

Im so proud!:D

The resource war is brilliant, and we have the means to carry it out. Keep at 'em, they will start to feel it very soon, then we will wipe them off the face of the planet! :hammer:

Knight-Dragon - I built Bremershaven where it is because at the time, a MASSIVE battle was raging on our beachhead. It made D-Day look like a sail boat race. So I plopped it down and fortified like hell.

I rushed city walls TWICE! And barracks, and harbors and an airport! I used six or seven workers to add to the city for rush-building too.

The Egyptian bombers smashed our improvements over and over. That is until I figured out that the bombers were all based in one city, and WHAMMO!... No more bombers.:D

So thats the story buddy. I would have put it on the hilltop if I could have, but we wouldnt have made it til the next turn. It was that close. We lost heavy gaining that beach-head, so lets keep it.

The counter-attacks you are experiencing are only half as bad as the ones I got. 30+ cavalry with artillery and tanks every turn for a few turns. We barely survived, but I destroyed most of their offensive capability that way. And allowed our armies to raze cities without being whittled down fighting cavalry.

Six or seven tanks would have been a treat compared to that! :lol:

Keep up the great work! Death to Cleopatra!

She should be approaching us for a peace treaty soon, thats when you will know they are almost finished.

donsig - Cant the artillery smash up the mech infantry enough so the panzers roll over it?

I fear we cant wait for modern armor, we should finish them now.

You are in the hot-seat, what are your feelings?

I can play around 8 or 10 GMT:D

The resource war is brilliant, and we have the means to carry it out. Keep at 'em, they will start to feel it very soon, then we will wipe them off the face of the planet! :hammer:The hard part will be keeping the oil tile north of Shantung beyond the grasp out of the greedy Egyptians. Somehow, I think we must land troops there and take over that part of Egypt.

Knight-Dragon - I built Bremershaven where it is because at the time, a MASSIVE battle was raging on our beachhead. It made D-Day look like a sail boat race. So I plopped it down and fortified like hell.

I rushed city walls TWICE! And barracks, and harbors and an airport! I used six or seven workers to add to the city for rush-building too.

The Egyptian bombers smashed our improvements over and over. That is until I figured out that the bombers were all based in one city, and WHAMMO!... No more bombers.:D

So thats the story buddy. I would have put it on the hilltop if I could have, but we wouldnt have made it til the next turn. It was that close. We lost heavy gaining that beach-head, so lets keep it.

The counter-attacks you are experiencing are only half as bad as the ones I got. 30+ cavalry with artillery and tanks every turn for a few turns. We barely survived, but I destroyed most of their offensive capability that way. And allowed our armies to raze cities without being whittled down fighting cavalry.

Six or seven tanks would have been a treat compared to that! :lol:Oh forgive me, o mighty one! How can I doubt the limitless wisdom of our resident Prussian strategos! Forgive my impertinence for I was not there, to witness the heroic invasion of our new lebensraum.

But seriously, the Egyptians still have too many biggie cities and mechs. It could take quite a long time..... I was actually already contemplating we'll be beginning our new Chinese SG. You know, I can supply all the cultural and Chinese language references. huoqian pudui (firearms formation) anyone? :D

She should be approaching us for a peace treaty soon, thats when you will know they are almost finished.You know, we shld squeeze the latest techs out of Cleo for a peace treaty, then turn around and backstab her again. Heehee.

Thats a sick, twisted evil idea.

Lets do it!:D

-joespaniel, prussian strategist and egomaniac

thanks for the entertainment guys:goodjob:

this has been quite the civ, many clever stragegies that i will be sure to implement next time im faced with a land hungry AI.

anyhow i just wanted to wish you all good luck with the mop up but i dont think you'll need it as its looks like joe has broken their spirit and the end is near for those rotten egyptians :ak47: :egypt:

BTW could someone post the latest screen dump with mini map as id like to see how the war is going. thanks in advance:)

Hill west of Bremershaven cleared of Egyptian infantry. & tank divisions attack Bremershaven from all directions. Our garrison is damaged but all units are intact. The attackers are destroyed. We have been using our newly arrived tank divisions to finish off the attackers. It is good training for them!:) We have begun fortifying the recently recovered hill. The Egyptian battleship/transport we were tracking south of Germany is actually headed for Bremershaven! The battle ship is damaged and we are closing on it. It should pose no problem.

Oil does pose a problem. We cut their supply in the north but the GIA tells us they still have another supply. The oil west of Bremershaven is not within Egyptian control. We cannot locate the other supply! It is possible they have a hidden supply in one of their cities!:eek: We are considering cutting the roads around as many of their cities as we can.

We have only encountered one mech. infantry and it was a conscript unit. If easily fell to our panzers after artillery bombardment.

More to come...

Late 1958: The Egyptian battleship accompanying the transport was sunk. More infantry airlifted to Bremershaven.

1959: Egyptian transport sunk but not before 8 cavalry land near Bremershaven. Egyptian infantry and musketeers also take up positions nearby. Six tanks attack Bremershaven and we lose one infantry division. Our artillery and fighters bombard the attackers and in the ensuing counter attack General Kish rises to the forefront and forms an army from the recently airlifted infantry divisions. All Egyptian attackers are destroyed and the newly promoted Field Marshall Kish personally directed the final battle where our tank killing cavalry division wiped out the last Egyptian cavalry unit that had dared to land near Bremershaven.

1960: Only 4 tank divisions attack Bremershaven this year. We repel the invaders without loss and airlift more infantry and land more panzers.

FM Kish moved his new army into Egypt north of Alexandria. Together with the 2nd Panzergruppen (and most of the artillery that was near Bremershaven) he intends to strike at the large Egyptian cities NW of Alexandria while the 1st Panzergruppen continues towards Thebes.

The 1st Panzergruppen's artillery cut the nearby supply of rubber (leaving Egypt with one rubber depot south of Heliopolis). Once that was done the remaining arty began shelling Alexandria which is defended by mech. inf.

The navy lost two unescorted destroyers as new Egyptian battleships attempt to leave the ports at Giza and El Armana. The battleships succeeded in sinking our ships but both had to limp back to port. We can be sure they will be repaired and attempt another break-out. A third battleship has been spotted near Kaifeng as our ships in that theater continue to deny the nearby oil to the Egyptians.

Kriegendorfer has been founded near Bremershaven in order to secure the oil in that area for Germany. It is also hoped that our bombers can be usefully deployed in Kriegendorfer but this must be looked into further.

More artillery and engineers should be sent to Egypt. We also need more infantry to act as MP in Germany. Our forces there have been depleted in order to reinforce Bremershaven.

Well, I must say that was FUN! Spend alot of time on this last night and ALL morning, too! These turns take a LONG time since there is so much to do. I could have taken longer and fine tuned some things but I was into the fun part too much for that!

At first I wondered why all the railroads were still around in the areas we conquered but once I formed the 2nd Panzergruppen I saw the wisdom. I was able to move right into Egypt. It would have taken forever to to that without the railroads. And it does not appear to be safe to send workers out to rebuild the rr if we destroy them.

We are running a deficit in order to get radio faster but an eye should be kept on it so we don't fall below 1000 gold. (We still earn interest even though we are Communist, nicht war?) The only money I spent was on investigating a city (the cheapest one) in order to find out how many resources they have. I still think they have a hidden oil tile!

We need more arty around Bremershaven. I sent most of it on with the 2nd Panzergruppen so as not to hold up that task force. I think Bremershaven and Kriegersdofer will hold. I rushed walls in the new city but they will not form till next round. We can still airlift 5 infantry per round into Egypt but our infantry is getting low in Germany. I think we need to garrison the oil fort and mountain near Kriegendorfer.

Remember they have mechanized infantry. It will take some artillery bombardment before our panzergruppen can attack the cities. I just reached Alexandria so I'm not sure how much it will take!

Well, whoever is up next should have twice the fun since he will command TWO panzergruppen!

Once again, Admiral Hammers admits defeat. Here is his sad, sad report.

City gains- Zero city gains. Mechanized infantry covering the entire Egyptian empire, conscripts killing our elite panzers:eek:

City Losses- Bremershaven subdued to culture, liberated same turn, 3 artillery, one army lost in culture flip. Zero lost in liberation.

Progress- Slow, very slow. Artillery bombarding turn after turn, reducing enemy city size to lower than 10 is the goal. Ships bombarrding by sea, bombers by air. Two bomber squadrons lost, replaced by fresh bombers from Germany. One carrier group nearly destroyed, carrier fleeing from enemy battleship in eastern sea. Battleship in range will be bombed by fighters and bombers on carrier.

The home front- Infantry training by the hundreds of thouands, panzers turning out of the factories daily. Bombers and fighters testing. Civil unrest in some cities cured by martial law. Infantry airlifting every turn. New ships coming out slowly. Some cities producing wealth.

Special events- Pentagon completed. 2 leaders appear, form armies in Bremershaven. One of the armies now has 4 units. All others must be filled. 3 transports wating in southwest sea.


Goals :

- Bombard all cities until size 6, then attack.
- FInd ene,y oil, destroy.
- Airlift more units into Bremershaven.
- Good luck, I hope your reign is not as bad as mine was.

My first screenshot:D . I hope this works. If not, then F@#*!
It shows the armies near Alexandria and Asyut, and also some damaged egyptian tanks near Kiegendorfer.

S***! WHy the hell didn't that work! Oh yeah. Here is the save.

Yeah, it's a slow campaign for sure but should speed up once we get more armies on line. We need a thrust towards Heliopolis in order to cut their remaining rubber supply (assuming we can keep the others cut as well). Do they still have oil? I never did find their second supply. We have the one west of Bremershaven. Is the one near Kaifeng still cut or did our fleet get chased away? (I'm at work and can't download the file to see for myself.)

That culture flipping thing scares me. Perhaps we should sacrifice some workers to rush a few culture improvements?

Originally posted by donsig
That culture flipping thing scares me. Perhaps we should sacrifice some workers to rush a few culture improvements?

I tried that, we can't even build any culture improvements because of the mobilization! This sucks. There wasn't even any egyptian borders nearby! Wierd.

Is the one near Kaifeng still cut of did our fleet get chased away?

Kaifeng is that northern desert city right? Yep, it is still cut. Our fleet is being sared by Battleships, but we held.

However, a carrier almost got demolished in the east sea, by west egypt. There was a battleship that attacked, then went back in a city to repair so we could not attack it:mad: . Then it killed a submarine, then the 2 Battleship escorts. The carrier is making a run for it! If the ship comes near, our planes will bomberd it, because the ship is too far behind yet.:)

BTW, how do you post a screenshot? It did not work for me.

I forgot that we're mobilized for war and can't build temples and such. I built a city right by the oil! If it flips it gives Cleo another oil! Double Drat!!

Kaifeng is the city in the north desert. If that's still cut and they still have oil I don't know where their other source is. (Of course I couldn't find my way out of the Inland Sea either!)

We have to watch out for them battleships coming out of port and going right back in. That's how they sunk two of our destroyers. Guess we have to stack our naval units as well as our land forces.

I save the screenshot as a jpg file then just attach it the same way I attach the zipped game file.

Theres a post on page 7 about stacking ships.

Stacked naval units work like ground units, namely bombardment against attackers. Stack a battleship with a carrier, a sub and two destroyers. Call it a task force. It has a much better survival rate than individual ships.

The culture flip of Bremershaven is due to all the rush-building we have done there. The citizens are sick of it. I recomend not doing that for at least 20 turns, to restore some happiness.

I dont know what to do about the mech inf because Ive never seen it in Civ3 yet. I need to play and get a feel for it, maybe theres a way to defeat it.

We have come so far, we wont be defeated now. Germany will prevail!

iPsychosis - My humble suggestion is to use our abundant artillery to weaken all mech inf in a city to one hit point and then attack with panzers.

I dont know if Ohwell did this or not, but donsig said it worked for him.

Raze their cities! Disband their workers! Crush them!

If you keep the infantry, artillery and panzers stacked they wont be able to destroy them. If Bremerhaven falls, so be it.

Destroy Egypt!!! ...or it may be the end for us.

I read the post about stacking ships but all I saw was a 2 hp battleship and a transport which I sunk. I was lulled into a false sense of security thinking they had no navy left. I was quite surprised to see 3 new battleships in one turn!:eek:

I killed off one mech. inf. outside Bremershaven. It was a conscript unit and one arty blast knocked it down to one HP and a panzer took it out easily. The only city I razed was Hangchow (size 5) which had an infantry and something weaker (and a catapult). Our arty knocked them down and the panzers killed them and moved back to the stack. Artillery will be the key to knocking their cities down.

Looks like we are in a war of attrition. I think we must knock down as many big cities as we can. That's why I sent the 2nd Panzergruppen NW of Alexandria. I think the 3rd Panzergruppen (when formed) should swing SW around the Eyptian Inland Sea towards Heliopolis. Their last supply of rubber is there. Any word on their oil? It would help immensely to deprive them of oil and rubber. Depriving the Egyptian citizens of some of their luxuries would help as well!

That oil tile near Kaifeng; did you guys destroy the roads leading fr it to Kaifeng and fr its harbour then on into the rest of Egypt? That oil may still be connected to Egypt.

Otherwise, they must have some more cities elsewhere. Or trading with someone although this is impossible now.

Or else one of their cities is sitting on top an oil tile. My gut feeling is on this - this has to be it. Someone will have to chk out the terrain for each and every Egyptian city. ;)

We really shld get the latest techs and their world map fr Cleo (in exchange for 'peace') and then turn around and backstab them. Reputation isn't that important now, does it?

What a cliff-hanger!:eek:

I can hardly wait to go...:crazyeyes

joe, do your turns now. I.Pychosis doesn't seem to be around for some time already, so I am switching you with him. ;)

Up next - joe
Up next next - I.Pychosis

Give them hell, joe! :D

PS Mike, Pychosis, pls confirm you guys are still around. Your turns are coming up soon. ;)

My heart rate just went up.:eek:

I will probably use my entire 72 hours on this, due to work and the size of the campaign.

I will drop a few short posts as I go, to update everyone.

What a change of fortune... Wish me luck, I think Im going to need it. I will do my best.

Cleopatra, it's time for you to die! :egypt: :rocket:

I decided to end the first turn and let the cards fall as they will:

Egyptian armor took our new city of Kriegendorfer, but not much else.

I counter-attacked and took it back.

Then our artillery began a massive, thunderous bombardment and the panzers rolled.

Youre not going to believe this, but Asyut (the city Ohwell just marched the 2nd Army up to) is their last source of oil.

Correction: Was.

It also turns out that Mech Infantry isnt so tough when you hit it with 12 artillery bombardments back-to-back!

Alexandria is gone too!

Thebes is wide open and Im going to combine the two armies into one gigantic army-group and pummel it into dust!

You guys did everything right, you were so close and didnt know it. I couldnt have asked for a better starting position. Thank you!

We are back in the game!

Let's storm Thebes and raze it and begin a new game called "Chasing the Egyptian capital"![dance]:goodjob:

Boy, am I glad I sent the 2nd Panzergruppen towards Asyut![dance] Since I couldn't find their oil I was tempted to swing south and west towards Heliopolis to get their rubber supplies. That seemed like such a long trek and the words of joespaniel came to me: 'strike at the heart of Egypt' (that's what he's been saying, more or less) and I headed for the size 20+ cities. What a stroke of luck that their last oil was in that first city!:goodjob:

We have to keep an eye on that oil since they could still try to plant a colony...

Knight-Dragon: We kept cutting the road on the oil tile in the north and the surrounding roads. I don't think the cities near that oil had harbors. In any event I had moved a carrier up there and planned to keep it and the other vessels in the area just to keep bombing those roads as they were rebuilt. There is (was?) also a destroyer or two right near Neapolis to keep the rubber tile there roadless. It's a good thing you reminded us about the importance of cutting these resources off! Your direction and the luck we had in Asyut really let us put Cleo in her place!:egypt: :spank:

Let's try to cut off rubber fr Cleo's grasp too. :D How many rubber resources do they really have? If they can only build riflemen, ..... this war's about finished. :D

Guys, I've enjoyed the game. Just a note for future reference (as you no longer need to know this, since you found the oil by accident), but there is a quicker way to check for oil "under cities".

Hit Ctl-Shift-M and all the civilization stuff disappears from the map. You can then do a quick scan for resources and see where they are located. Control-shift-m brings the cities/roads/mines/etc. back so you can locate it again at a later time.

Enjoy the rest of the game.

P.S. With no rubber, the best defensive unit is a rifleman. Use this knowledge as you see fit....

EDIT: I see Knight-Dragon beat me to the rubber information. Oh well. It's still worth knowing. :)

Thanks Arathorn, hope you enjoy the show!:D

There is also a button on the mini-map, I think, labeled "G" for Geography. It does the same thing.

Good news!

I have tonight off from work! Thus I will be playing our game, hopefully finishing my turns by tonight. I will post updates every couple hours, to take a break from the game and keep you all informed.

Thebes will be a tough nut to crack. Wish me luck.

If anyone has any advice, post it now because I will start in about an hour.

The Plan.

Phase 1 - Create Army-Group and march on Thebes. It will consist of 20 artillery, 1 Infantry Army, 1 Panzer Army, 12 panzers and 6 infantry. Anyone have a good name for it? Or the operation name?

The rest of our forces will defend our 2 cities.

Phase 2 - I have no idea yet, Im making this up as I go...:D

Welcome, Field Marshall, to Operation Egypt Rain .

Authorization code- 10T6592T3

- Objectives- Launch a year long campaign to destroy and raze Thebes.

- Friendlys- Operating in the Army group is the 2nd Infantry Army, the 4th Panzer army, 20 artillery divisions, 12 panzer units and 6 infantry batallions. Offshore will be 3 Carrier Groups, escorted by 2 destroyers, one Battleship, and one U-boat each.

Hostiles-
Infantry- Numbers unknown
Mechanized infantry- Numbers unknown
Artillery- Numbers Unknown
Fighters- Numbers Unknown
Bombers- Numbers Unknown
Battleships- Numbers- Aproxximatley 3
Armor- Numbers unknown
Cavalry- Numbers rounded to aproxximatley 10 to 25
Unkown hostile units possible.

<Takes off military compuiter uniform>

- I suggest puting 3 carrier groups nearby thebes as well.

Hit Ctl-Shift-M and all the civilization stuff disappears from the map.

NOW you tell me!:crazyeyes I will remember this piece of advice!

Last time I checked Cleo had 3 rubber souces: One near Neapolis, one near Alexandria and one by Heliopolis. The first was cut by a couple destroyers, The second I cut with the 1st Panzergruppen's artillery and the last is still viable.

"Comrade! Out think-tank reports we have entered a new age in our developement!"

Germany discovers rocketry! We now have V-1s and Me-262s!!!
(I love playing a scientific civ! 1 free tech at every era advancement!)

Report from the front:

Operation Egypt Rain has begun, Army-Group Center has taken up position on the hilltops overlooking the city of Thebes! 19 regiments of artillery are digging in and zeroing their guns on the Egyptian capitol. 14 panzer divisions await the command to attack, and 12 infantry divisions are defending the hills. An Infantry Army and a Panzer Army are held for reserve.

The Kriegsmarine is pounding the coastline of Egypt without respite, denying them access to their fleeting resources. We have almost completely cut them off from oil and rubber. Soon we will.

There are 50 divisions of Mech Infantry in Egypt now, but almost all of it is conscripted.

The GIA has intercepted this report from the Egyptian Field Marshall to Cleopatra:

Great Queen! The cursed Germans have overrun yet more of our cities, but I believe the war is finaly taking its toll on the German homeland.

No reinforcements have arrived on our shores, from Germany, for many months. Their production must be falling behind. Perhaps the German economy is worse off than we guessed.

The German Field Marshall Joseph von Spaniel has moved up to the outskirts of our mighty capitol, but he is in for a surprise. We will destroy his puny Army and turn the tide of this war.

Already our mighty armor has destroyed the city of Kriegsdorfer, they have retreated to Bremershaven again. We will push them into the sea!

Then our forces will cross the ocean and invade Germany, as they have no troops left to defend their homeland. Then the communists will pay!

Great Cleopatra, ruler of Egypt and the world! I will crush the arrogant Prussians and deliver the head of Chancellor Bismark to you on a pike! Death to Germany! Long Live Cleopatra! Long Live Egypt!

During my last turn, a week ago, I bombarded their coastal cities pretty hard. Destroyed alot of improvents like harbors and such, but just in case they built new ones, Im blasting away every road within a one square radius of each oil and rubber tile.

Im also bombing and strafing the roads and mines of other key cities to slow production of Mech Inf and Armor.

I have a Phase 2 now, and it is really, really evil! I hope you like it, its called "Operation East Wind", to play on the theme.

Its so top secret right now I cant devulge the details.:lol: Operational security, you understand. But I forshadowed a little in my previous post, you will have to read between the lines. ;)

More to follow tonight.

Originally posted by joespaniel
I have a Phase 2 now, and it is really, really evil! I hope you like it, its called "Operation East Wind", to play on the theme.

Its so top secret right now I cant devulge the details.:lol: Operational security, you understand. But I forshadowed a little in my previous post, you will have to read between the lines. ;)

More to follow tonight.

Really evil? How can it be more evil than razing every city;) . East wind, hmm. Seems like that has been used as a operation code name before;) . Cant even think of one yourself;) . J/k:D .(You know, "East wind, rain" that scenario for civ 2)
It sounds to me like you are planning a massive marine invasion! From the east side, your marine will come! I think thats it, hmm. Can't wait to see! :shotgun: :egypt:

The GIA has released this transcript from a Japanese radio news broadcast:

" From the battlefields of Egypt and occupied Japan comes news of a large German land offensive. The Egyptian capitol city of Thebes has come under a tremendous artillery bombardment. Initial reports claim 40,000 civilians have been killed, and numerous buildings destroyed including the Library, Granary and Barracks. The city defenders have suffered heavy casualties as well.

A naval battle took place off the coast of Elephantine, one Egyptian battleship was sunk, and a massive air/naval bombardment of the city began. Damage is reported to be severe.

A massive force of 24 Egyptian armored divisions with mechanized infantry and artillery support attacked the German outpost city of Bremershaven. The battle was considered by both sides to be the bloodiest of the war so far.

Our German allies prevailed, and destroyed the Egyptians to the last man, but at the cost of many infantry and panzer divisions. German newspaper and radio is trumpeting the exploits of two great leaders produced during the fighting.

The German foriegn ministry claims the Wehrmacht has cut off all oil supplies to Egypt, widespread shut-downs of factories and power plants are expected. Also German Chancellor Bismark alluded to new wonder-weapons that are to be unleashed upon Egypt in a speech to the Reichstag. No details were given.

Egyptian radio is off the air, and no contact between the beligerent governments has been reported.

An small Japanese expeditionary force has left the Island, but its destination is unknown at this time."

German government officials have confirmed all aspects of this report to be true.

I hereby recommend we confer the Iron Cross First Class on Herr Reichsmarshal Joseph von Spaniel for leading our forces to victory yet again. :goodjob:

How's the cutting off the rubber resource part? Are we up to producing mechs yet?

Mike, Pychosis, pls write in to tell us you're still around. Thanks.

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
I hereby recommend we confer the Iron Cross First Class on Herr Reichsmarshal Joseph von Spaniel for leading our forces to victory yet again. :goodjob:

How's the cutting off the rubber resource part? Are we up to producing mechs yet?

Mike, Pychosis, pls write in to tell us you're still around. Thanks.


only Iron Cross First Class? How about Iron Cross with Oak Leaves, more befitting of Herr Feld Marshall von Spaniel?

Originally posted by youngster76
only Iron Cross First Class? How about Iron Cross with Oak Leaves, more befitting of Herr Feld Marshall von Spaniel? We'll have to leave something better to be available so that we can confer it on him in the future when he finally destroy all of Egypt. :p

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
I hereby recommend we confer the Iron Cross First Class on Herr Reichsmarshal Joseph von Spaniel for leading our forces to victory yet again. :goodjob:

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I wish I wasn't always in the position of creating units and setting them up, while the person after me gets all the fun, and valor. Could somebody do the setting up instead? I really want to do some fighting. So whoever is before me just do what I always do. It seems like I am the one rebuilding units and all, and putting those units in their positions, for the next person to just use.

Anyway, about that wonder weapon, V2's? Jets? NUkes? Please tell.;)

Ohwell, you did set me up pretty good to continue the advance on Thebes, and I thank you.

But you only played about 5 turns and claimed defeat. You could have played alot more turns.

You were actually doing really good and didnt know it.

Suggestion: Use your bombardment units more and keep advances to a slow pace. Civ3 is different in that respect. In Civ2 you could just hurl units into cities. Not now.

Right now I have a huge stack on the hill east of Thebes, and I probably wont send in the panzers for at least one, maybe two more turns. I want the artillery to soften them up like guacamole before our panzers get chewed up in wasted attacks.

Im nervous about it. I fear the defenders will be tough. One good thing is the river is on the other side of the city from us. Knight-Dragon will appreciate that.;)

Whoever goes after me will still have alot to do, actually several players worth to do. You will get another shot at 'em Ohwell, so sit tight!

EDIT: Once we finished radio, the modern age began. Our cities look really cool! Being the scientific Germans we got a free tech; Rocketry! We now have cruise missles (V-2s) and Fighter Jets (Me-262s)!

I started reasearching computers, to get Mech Inf, but it will be about 30 turns. Our science rate sucks from the corruption. Lets just kill Egypt and not have to worry about tech anymore.:D

Originally posted by joespaniel
Suggestion: Use your bombardment units more and keep advances to a slow pace. Civ3 is different in that respect. In Civ2 you could just hurl units into cities. Not now.


I new that. How do you think I got Alexandria to size 7? By poisoning their water supply??? I think not;) . I was trying to bombard until size 6, where it is a town, with no defense bonus. The I would bombard unitl all the units were somewhat damaged. THEN I would attack. I definatley did not rush my attack. I thought to myself, "Your doing it too slow!". But I didn't want to risk it. It was getting quite tedious, so, I abdicated. Thats all.


BTW, In my game as Russia, I make extensive use of my artillery. I have had a 2000 year long war with Germany, several 50 turn wars with China, and a particularly brutal war with the late France. I finally ended the war with Germany. I would say without artillery I would have lost. I lost about 230 infantry the entire war, 100 or so tanks. The Germans, lost much less, but were fighting a offensive defence war, in which they would defend for the most part with counterattacks. I razed 3 o/f their cities, they didn't gain any ground, though they got 12 workers. After the peace, me, Greece, India, and Germany alied against China, who was getting quite strong. (I was the only one with rocketry at the time, my Jet fighters were plentiful). My artillery at the northern front detered all Chinese offense. They din't even get to my cities!

I wish I wasn't always in the position of creating units and setting them up, while the person after me gets all the fun, and valor. Could somebody do the setting up instead? I really want to do some fighting. So whoever is before me just do what I always do. It seems like I am the one rebuilding units and all, and putting those units in their positions, for the next person to just use.It's in the nature of succession games that such things can happen. But don't worry, there's still a LOT of fighting left. ;) The Egyptians still got lots of oversized cities. ;)

Since only four of us (no idea about Mike or Pychosis), we'll all have a lot of things to do. In my case, I'll prob only play 2-3 turns cos the turns are really damn long, so you'll have your shot. Fr now on, I perceive there'll be a long flow of units into Egypt and continual razing of even more Egyptian cities. :D

Ohwell, please dont take it personal. I was just trying to be helpfull.

In your summary post you stated the elite panzers were being defeated by the mech inf, and my experience has been opposite. So I just assumed... My mistake, sorry!

Anyway, heres a little funny thing I wanted to share:

When I rush-build something in one of our cities, the domestic advisor pops up and says "That could cost the lives of two of our citizens! Are you sure?"

The replys are "No, lets reconsider" or "Ohwell, let it be so".

Every time I see that I think of you, Ohwell! :lol:

Originally posted by joespaniel
Ohwell, please dont take it personal. I was just trying to be helpfull.

In your summary post you stated the elite panzers were being defeated by the mech inf, and my experience has been opposite. So I just assumed... My mistake, sorry!

Anyway, heres a little funny thing I wanted to share:

When I rush-build something in one of our cities, the domestic advisor pops up and says "That could cost the lives of two of our citizens! Are you sure?"

The replys are "No, lets reconsider" or "Ohwell, let it be so".

Every time I see that I think of you, Ohwell! :lol:

:lol: Pretty funny! I guess I am a little too opressive on the citizenry. But I didn't take your comment personally, it was just a misunderstanding. But I never would have dreamed of using all this artillery until this game, it opened my eyes to the wonders of land bombardment. But thank you for the suggestion. But those egyptian mech inf, even the conscripts, were killing, or damaging, elite panzers. More damaged than killed, but bad nonetheless.

Thebes is no more!

1st Army-Group has destroyed the Egyptian capitol, captured two artillery units and eight workers were disbanded. Another Great Wonder has been lost forever, Newton's University! No German units were lost!

The newly formed 2nd Army-Group landed north-west of Elephantine with heavy naval and air support, and will become the hammer to 1st Army-Groups anvil.

Egypt is almost split in two!

The Kreigsmarine and the Wehrmacht together have successfully denied oil to Egypt for three full turns, and the effects are noticeable already. They are conscripting infantry instead of mech inf, and riflemen in some cut-off cities.

The last usable rubber tile is within striking distance, west of 1st Army-Group. In a few turns they will have neither oil nor rubber anymore.

The tricky part is the oil where Asyut was, its still within their border. Our panzers must raid the spot every two turns to stop new workers from building road on it. At least untill more cities are razed.

The never-ending battle for Bremershaven.

Two more massive attacks were launched at Bremershaven, resulting in the loss of six German infantry and three panzers. Egypt lost 14 tanks, six cavalry and four mech inf. Two artillery were captured by panzers.

Infantry production in Germany was stepped up, and replacements airlifted into Bremershaven.

The Egyptians wasted almost all their offensive units, unsucessfully, against our little town instead of our Army-Group. A bad call on their part, so much the better for us.

The Japanese are going somewhere, but I cant figure out their erratic movements. I am keeping an eye on them...

The credit for my "evil plan" goes to Knight-Dragon, for something he thought up recently.

I decided to send an envoy to feel out Cleopatra for a peace treaty.

They must really be hurting now, because she caved in to all my demands! We got 1500 gold, their world map and computers!

I promptly thanked her for the exchange and as soon as we recieved our bounty, I declared war again!

Backstabbed, baby! Oh man, what a dummy! Now we have mech infantry!!!

We had better win this war now, because no one will ever trust us again. But what the hell, they started it. And Japan switched sides four times if I remember correctly.

:satan:

Well, Im off to start Phase 3.

(Phase 3 - Destroy everything in sight!)

Another attack on Bremershaven fails, and Egypt loses six more tanks, a cavalry and a mech inf.

The very first German mech infantry unit arrives in Bremershaven via airlift! Big beer-bash is held!

Three Army-Groups now operating in Egypt, all to be reinforced with mech inf very soon. Each has a different city objective. Its triple the destruction! :D

Well, Im off to bed! Will finish in the morning and the next player can go.

Oh, BTW: We are now researching fission.:eek: There is also a great leader in Berlin. This makes for an interesting possibility in about 30 turns...

*whew*

Lots of units to move, and I'm really getting sick of chasing pollution.

Other than that, it was a grand time.:D

We have three Army-Groups now, all fully equipped. One is heading for Athens, one is still bombarding Memphis (the new capitol, needs one or two more turns of bombardment), and the third is heading for Lisht after just sacking Byblos (I killed than damn frigate in the lake too!).

Egypt has had no oil or rubber for 5 turns, and all they can make is cavalry and riflemen now.

Bremershaven comes under attack every turn still, I have killed over 100 Egyptian cavalry there. The infantry army is too much for them, and I wipe out the survivors with the panzers stationed there.

Salzburg founded (on a hill!) where Elephantine used to be. So far barracks, airport and harbor built. It is fortified well, but still needs walls. I put infantry on the surrounding hills, they were sneaking riflemen onto them, why I dont know.

There is a transport with a settler offshore if another base city is needed, but at this point, I doubt it. Two seems to be enough.

There is another empty transport heading for Pharsalos, fill it with some panzers and head for Shantung. Kill their damn workers near the oil! Its like a damn clown show up there! I blow up everything and the next turn they build it again...Grrr!

Objectives: Destroy Memphis, Lisht and Athens. Get Pi-Ramses next, I should have done that myself. My goof. It keeps the oil in their borders and ties north to south. Raze it!

FYI - They lost battlefield medicine when we razed Elephantine. They still have alot of wonders around somewhere...

OK, Knight-Dragon, here it is!

The credit for my "evil plan" goes to Knight-Dragon, for something he thought up recently.

I decided to send an envoy to feel out Cleopatra for a peace treaty.

They must really be hurting now, because she caved in to all my demands! We got 1500 gold, their world map and computers!

I promptly thanked her for the exchange and as soon as we recieved our bounty, I declared war again!

Backstabbed, baby! Oh man, what a dummy! Now we have mech infantry!!!Evil man evil! :D Let's make sure we do not take the risk of running for the UN election now..... :p Like we need to... :lol:

Alright, up next is either Pychosis or Mike. Pls post first before playing so that you two won't play concurrently. As they've skipped many times, let's give them some time to see if they're still interested in playing. ;)

:lol: Youre getting tired of this one, eh?

I dont blame you, its alot of work now.:crazyeyes:

We can just about claim victory, as they are highly screwed now. No oil and rubber = no infantry, tanks and artillery. We are chugging out panzers and mech inf, and have three city-razing armies at work.

If everyone wants to play til a conclusion, I'll stick it out.

If the concensus is to start a new Chinese game, so be it.

Im sure Ohwell wants one more crack at the panzers though.:hammer:

After the length of my last turn, I guess it will take about 50 more turns minimum to destroy all of Egypt. Probably more. And chasing pollution is very time consuming, I find it annoying. I wish there was an engineer type unit that worked faster.

I doubt those guys are going to show up, but I agree they deserve a shot.

C'mon Mike! Youre missing all the fun!

Of coz, we shall stick it out till the end. This is the funnest part in the whole game. :lol:

Not that I'm tired; just slightly busy over the past few weekends, so no time to play long turns. Well, yeah, guess I'm tired then cos busy. :p

My new house in J.B., M'sia is fit for occupation and moving in on Jan 27, so there're lots of things to do. You cannot believe how many things to do. :eek: And spend on. :(

Mike and/or iPsychosis -

You have 1 more day, where are you guys?

You are seriously missing out on some fun. Theres Egyptian cities to raze, and panzers galore! Jet fighters too! Lets go!

PS - We might have the atomic bomb soon too...:eek:

Edit: I am unable to delete any posts, sorry!

I wanted to post a screenshot, but my trial converter expired.

Does anyone have one I can download?

It seems unlikely we'll see either Mike or Pychosis anytime soon. So I'll be playing tonite (after I get back fr work) in say another 10 hours. ;)

If you guys are around and want to play before me, pls post here and then play. Can't wait to hit some more Egyptian cities. :p

I can hardly recognize the map. Egypt doesn't look so tough now, does it? :lol:

1982
A force of seven Egyptian cavalry sallied forth against Bremenshaven. None shall live to return home....

3 conscripted Egyptian riflemen neared Salzburg. They shall never see their homeland again either....

Bombardment of Memphis continued....

1983
Yet another force of seven cavalry stormed Bremenshaven but to no avail. They shall die outside the city walls....

Army Group West reached Athens!

Army Group Central razed Memphis. The Egyptian army generously donated 5 artillery divisions to further our cause. :lol: The Army Group headed for Byblos....

1984
9 Egyptian cavalry attked Salzburg! None shall live to see the next year....

Army Group East reached Lisht!

Bombardment of Athens commenced....

Our forces landed outside Shantung. Egyptian workers scurried away like the rats they are. :lol:

We are now hitting their horse tiles. :evil: I have cut off two; there's one more outside Byblos. Not sure if there're anymore..... Let's stop them fr building cavalry and reduce them to producing longbowmen (which they are already doing :confused: ).... :D

1985
Army Group West continued bombarding Athens!

Army Group East commenced bombardment of Lisht!

Our forces razed Shantung and put that oil there beyond their reach forever! Captured 6 workers as well. Note - to be shipped back to Germany to serve as our slaves. Mwahahahaha!

2 cavalry attked Salzburg in desperation. They died.....

End

We are running out of time. Let's win before the game ends....

I love a happy story! *sniff*

<lights a cigarette>:smoke: Ahhhhh!

Just dont let Ohwell go next, or Egyptian Longbowmen will kill all our panzers. ;)

:lol: :rotfl: :lol:

Just funnin' ya Ohwell!

You are doing a great job guys! Keep it up! :D

I downloaded your last save and enjoyed blasting the hell out Egyptians for a turn or so!

A word of warning though - youur culture value is almost 70,000 but according to foreign advisor Egypt is unimpressed with your culture. Unimpressed means that their culture is 4:3 compared to yours, meaning they have at least 90,000 culture points!!!

So finish them off very quickly otherwise they might win culturally by getting 100,000 culture points!!! :eek:

unless of course you disabled cultural victory... :confused:

Originally posted by joespaniel

Just dont let Ohwell go next, or Egyptian Longbowmen will kill all our panzers. ;)

:lol: :rotfl: :lol:

Just funnin' ya Ohwell!

HA! :lol: I think they don't have longbowman anymore... They have Tanks, but we have mech inf! Isn't it donsigs turn?

Originally posted by sgrig
A word of warning though - youur culture value is almost 70,000 but according to foreign advisor Egypt is unimpressed with your culture. Unimpressed means that their culture is 4:3 compared to yours, meaning they have at least 90,000 culture points!!!

So finish them off very quickly otherwise they might win culturally by getting 100,000 culture points!!! :eek:

They wont be getting much more culture from the rubble piles we made of their cities. ;)

I did consider that a few weeks ago, but did'nt say anything. Now it doesnt matter, they will never get to 100,000 before we build a German parking lot on their continent.

Ha! Our veteran panzer is now elite!

I guestimate about 50 turns til the end now. We will beat the clock, and I doubt Japan will be building a spaceship any time soon. :lol:

Now we just need some players to show up...:rolleyes:

Up next is donsig, then Ohwell.

The Egyptian capital is now at Pi-Ramesses (I think). Our Army Group Central is heading there now but Byblos lies in-between. Suggests we raze it before continuing on to Pi-Ramesses. ;)

The Egyptians are withering. Let's keep up the pressure. :D

It's 1 am here now. I will play 'in the morning'around 8 am. (Technically it is already morning, I guess.) Need a few hours sleep before I get into this one. Hope you all don't mind!

Well! Its 10:44am! Lets go!

:lol:

Its so much fun, isnt it? I love bombarding those size 20+ cities and watching the destruction.

Bombardment successfull! The cathedral of ______ is destroyed!

Citizens of ______ were killed!

Mwah-hah-hah!! :satan:

I spent a good three hours pounding Egypt but I want to play more! Just a couple more turns, please!

Here's a shot of the situation around Salzburg. When I get to work I'll post a summary of the progress made in the last two years.

Greetings. To make a long story short, my HD sux. I lost my registry and a bunch of other "semi"-important files. Just got a new one, back on-line, and lovin' this war.

I think you can only win with 100,000 culture points if you have the 100,000 points and are at least double that of any other civ.
Check me on that tho.

:goodjob:

Your'e back! And just in time!

Bu, but you left... you left a man behind! How could you leave Mike C hanging in the evil chambers! Noooo!
Why! :D Glad to see you back.

To Knight- Dragon- PLEEEASE let him play AFTER me, I am getting anxious, I want to kill some Pharaoh @$$ with the oh so beautiful panzers I never got to use:D .

I think we only have 50 or so turns left, so, maybe an 8 or 10 turn limit would be in order, considering how long the turns are anyway. But that only tells us how large our military is :)

Yes, these turns are long: I played two in three hours. I want to play a couple more since it may not get back to me. Here's an update os far:

1986: Six cavalry attack Salzburg as riflemen approach from the east and tanks (mech. inf.?) and longbowmen come from the west. Our garrison easily holds and the invaders are destroyed except for one rifleman and one cavalry.

One of our destroyers barely survives an attack by an Egyptian ironclad off Chinan.

We have over 2500 gold!:) We give a little to the GIA and in return we find that Egypt has 1 aluminum, 3 coal, 4 saltpeter, 4 iron and 4 horses supply depots. Egyptian citizens still have access to 5 different luxuries. The GIA also reports that (after shelling) Athens (size 14) is defended by a 2hp riflemen unit and two 1hp infantry divisions. We have 5 panzer divisions nearby and the order to attack is given. The two infantry divisions give way swiftly but the riflemen destroy one of our panzer divisions and nearly take out a second before they succumb. Athens is razed along with Leo's place. Lisht is also razed.

The army in Bremershaven is given orders to advance on Kahun while assorted panzer divisions are dispatched to Neapolis.

1987: Egyptian mechanized imfantry cut roads near Salzburg. Thinking our panzers are indestructible we attack! After losing a panzer division the attack is called off.

Egyptians emmisaries try to initiate peace talks and are rebuffed. Only 3 cavalry attack Salzburg.

Hey, we can build regular stuff!?! When did we go off our war footing? I missed that...

'We Love Cleo Day' celebrated in Byblos. Our artillery adds to the fireworks...;)

German mechanized infantry destroy Kaifeng. Neapolis razed by panzer divisions. Kahun razed.

Panzers detached from the army group near Byblos as another army group advances on Athribus.

1988: Begins with a six division cavalry attack on Salzburg. Egyptian mechanized infantry active near both Salzburg and Bremershaven.

That's where I left off this afternoon. Will play a couple more turns in the morning and turn it over to the next player. Perhaps it'll all be over this weekend!

We can continue playing even after the score is set, if only to grind Egypt into dust. :D

Guys, pls leave some of the fighting for the next. Personally I think each of us shld play only 5 turns at the very max so that : -

1)The turns will move faster
2)Everybody will have their share of the fun

donsig, Phycosis, Mike, are you guys good for a Chinese SG after this one ends? Ohwell, joe and I are going for it. :)

Take your time, donsig. Give them Hell. :devil:

PS I see that Athens is gone. That's good. :goodjob: :D

We have over 2500 gold!

Hey, we can build regular stuff!?! When did we go off our war footing? I missed that... We got joe to thank for that. :D Screwed the Egyptians out of 1500 gold and the tech for mech inf for a peace treaty (and stopped war mobilization) and then went back to backstab them. :lol You know, donsig, maybe we shld repeat that...... :crazyeyes

1986: Six cavalry attack Salzburg as riflemen approach from the east and tanks (mech. inf.?).... Used to be 7 each yr during my turn. The razing of Athens must had reduced their prod of 1 cavalry per turn by one. [dance] They shldn't be having tanks; must be mechs. Got some leftover fr before we cut off their oil and rubber.

One of our destroyers barely survives an attack by an Egyptian ironclad off Chinan.That's the ironclad that sneaked out of el-Armana at the beginning of my turn. I sent the destroyer out to search for it. ;)

I love the razings of Egyptian cities. :love: :lol:

Yes, I admit I stuck it to Cleo hard, but she deserved it. :D

We wont be able to repeat that sneaky maneouver though, if the AI has any brains at all.

Great follow up donsig, you have kept up the momentum. Attack, attack, attack and attack some more! Dont stop for anything, but keep the combined arms formations together. They could still destroy our panzers if unprotected.

Thank Heaven we have the mech inf now. They were really eating up our infantry during my turn, I was starting to worry things might fall apart. Not anymore...:D

Have fun and continue your turn, by all means. If I dont get to play again, I have no regrets. I'm enjoying reading your successes, keep it coming.

The end is near for the Egyptians, Germany will rule the world!

Originally posted by joespaniel
We wont be able to repeat that sneaky maneouver though, if the AI has any brains at all.Then the AI really doesn't have any brains at all. :D Didn't donsig just said the Egyptians sent emissaries to try to make peace? :lol:

But seriously, there isn't much we can con out of them anymore, except for cities maybe.

1988 ended with our infantry (not mechanized infantry) taking Byblos by storm and razing it to the ground. They captured an artillery battery and some more slaves.

1989 began with the customary cavalry attack on Salzburg. They managed to recapture some of their workers that we had been using to repair roads and railroads in the area. We do not see this as a big loss. The ex-slaves don't have far to run and if they do get out of our reach there a re plenty more where those came from...

Our panzers have entered Giza and there-in lies Adam Smith's Trading Company. We have decided to keep this city as it is worth 90 gold/year to us. What good is war without some profit to show for it?

Busiris razed. (No profit potential there.)

We sent a full strength elite panzer division against the remains of an Egyptian Mech. Inf. near Salzberg. The elite panzer is no more. We then sent in a veteran panzer division and it took our revenge by killing two mech. inf. units. We then sent our mech. inf. to mop up the remaining Egyptian rifle and bow units trapped in the plains south of Salzburg.

Arthribis razed.

1990: The cavalry attack commences on Giza. It takes 3 divisions to overwhelm our lone infantry unit. Their next target is some of their ex-workers. They also manage to destroy a lone panzer unit south of El-Amarna. Finally, three divisions Kamakazi Cavalry hurl themselves on the walls of Bremershaven. The ensuing slaughter causes rioting in the city which is quickly dealt with.

Our forces easily retake Giza and cordon off the city and other forces continue to move into position to pound other Egyptian cities.

It took two days to do my five turns!

I loosened up on the stacking rules we had and started splitting our forces so as to target more cities. I did lose a few panzers but only one to an attack by the Egyptians - the others I lost in attacking them. Cleo's generals are rarely attacking any of our forces in the open. They're targeting cities and then workers. Perhaps we could use some of our new slaves as bait...

I kept Giza for the money. I also switched our cities from wealth to aqueducts, etc. It may be a futile attampt to raise our science rate but I think we have adequate forces to pound Egypt already. The war will be over before the new improvements are done. We have +66 gold/turn and over 2500 in the treasury. Upping the science rate doesn't seem to change things much.

We have only 3 luxuries and many sitting unused in what was once Egypt. Time for colonies? Or does communism negate the effect of luxuries? We still have a GL in Berlin and Seti is available for building. Fission is 22 turns away...

Finally, what's up with Japan? Are we going to have to kill them, too? If so perhaps we should try to found a city somewhere in those islands while we are still friends...

PS: Yes, I am up for a Chinese game with you guys!

Good job getting Adam Smith's, donsig.

Its fun waging modern war, isnt it? Damn time consuming though.

My suggestion is to forget SETI, and science in general. Keep the luxury rate up so we dont have to mess around with disorder.

I wouldnt worry about Japan too much. We can sweep them aside any time we want. Any idea where that Japanese galleon was going? It seemed to be heading for the territory we "liberated". If Japan tries to get a foothold on the continent, smash them. Keep them bottled up on their island, where we can dispatch them later.

I believe at this point we should get a histograph victory if time runs out. Lets keep at it, raze every Egyptian city we can.

Happy panzering, Ohwell!

Whoooohooo! Getting ready to play my five, (Grabbing my good luck charms)

So, I should just kill evrything? Or is there a second objective? Ah. hell, I'll give myself ideas when playing, thats the fun!

(Brace yourselves, I may lose a panzer or ten, a turn:( )

NOT! It may take a while.

Nice work donsig. The sea of yellow in the world map is steadily shrinking. I would love to participate in a Chinese succ. game after this one. I haven't played them yet.

1991- Cavalry kill 2 panzers, avenged by our mechanized infantry. Berlin building SETI, to save up for Manhattan. AS SOON AS YOU GET FISSION, SWITCH! It builds a turn after we get fission. Delphi razed.

1992- Three Panzers lost, Thermopylae razed. Other cities falling quickly.

Right before Thermopylae is razed:

OMFG Sorry about the bad pic quality, I guess I need a better program.

But We are going to win!:D Our histograph score is 700 points higher than Egypt, and If we don't kill them by 2050, we still win! :D But I would rather just kill them.

There is lots of artillery coming over, and are bombarding the hell out of Egypt. The Japanese have another convoy south of egypt, our battleship is following it. They made peace with egypt, then declared war again! It seems they have more rubber, I will look for it when I play again. Because their cities are defended with infantry, our panzers can attack with almost no regrets, but I still use the artillery just in case. Our mech infantry is VERY useful for picking off infantry, cavalry, and riflemen in the field, that is what I am using it for, as well as protecting panzers. I noticed some infantry armies still had three units, so I put a mech inf. In them. But the panzer armies were full, and I didn't want to slow them down either.


I can finish my turns by tomarrow, Maybe 9 PM GMT. Those turns take a long time! But I had fun. I razed two cities, two more seem to be coming soon, and It is all good!

Originally posted by Ohwell
Our histograph score is 700 points higher than Egypt, and If we don't kill them by 2050, we still win! :D But I would rather just kill them.

Thats what I thought, we have already got it in the bag. But I agree, lets completely destroy them before 2050 AD. :hammer:

Maybe we can get a domination victory, but I think we would have to have more cities, and I would rather build nuclear missles than settlers. :D

Screw it, lets just kill 'em! Go Ohwell!

This has been a great game to follow guys!

I thought for a Domination victory you actually have to control 60% of the land or something? Razing cities isnt going to get you even close! Conquest maybe but not domination..

Domination is tough. I tried on my first game (Chieftain, see A Canadian Tale)

I owned the whole gigantic continent, except for a few spots belonging to other civs and several squares in recently conquered lands where the culture hadnt expanded. I won by culture beforre getting a chance at Domination! The other civs each had a small continent to themselves.

Welcome all, I have some GREAT news. No, we didn't kill Egypt, but I came close!

Here are the next three turns:

1993- Nanking Razed, no units lost.

1994- Massive Cavalry attack on Giza takes the city. Liberated, no units lost. Massive attack on Bremershaven, 17 cavalry dead, no Mech infantry were lost. Armies head to Pi- Ramses, as well as other cities.

Cities razed this turn- Buto, Heliopolis, El- Amarna

1995- Cavalry destroy a panzer, Armies closing in on Edo, Pi- Ramses, Tatung, and Bejjing.

Cities razed- Sparta, Pithom, Hieracompolis, Edfu, Shimmomenseki

Here is the minimap, look and faint.

That was the best 5 turns I have ever played!

I razed 11 cities! Delphi, Thermopylae,Nanking, Buto, Heliopolis, El- Amarna, Sparta, Pithom, Hieracompolis, Edfu, Shimmomeneseki!

Units lost im my turns- 4 panzers, 3 mech inf, 3 artillery.

WOW! I guess I have a little luck in me! And some fine leadership.

Joespaniel, prepare to see an absence of yellow! I have you set up quite well, 4 seperate battalions are headed for 4 cities, and they are going to get them for sure!

The end is near. LOTS of yellow disappeared. Fine work Ohwell.:goodjob:

Originally posted by donsig
The end is near. LOTS of yellow disappeared. Fine work Ohwell.:goodjob:

Thank you! You might not have noticed, but Shimomenseki was up north, where some mech infantry destroyed it with no losses, and those mech inf. are being redirected to the Bejjing assault force nearby. I made a large use of the mech inf. as city attackers, they are useful attacking infantry defended cities.

- Another thing- Barbarians are attacking our cities! They have several encampments in the south, and are making warriors and horsemen! :lol: They even got one artillery I forgot to move! Kind of funny that they haven't even learned about guns.

- That Japanese Galleon and Ironclad I was following seems to be taking a ride around egypt, it is nearing its homeland again!

Up next is joespaniel and then, Pychosis. ;)

Mike, let us know if you're gonna play, pls.

Let's bury Egypt once and for all time. :lol:

Congratulations Herr General der Artillerie Ohwell! Your brilliant use of Artillery and flawless manuevers have not gone un-noticed...

You are here by promoted to the rank of Generaloberst! :beer:

Perhaps, next great victory will get you promoted to GeneralFeldmarschall...

Und, ve vill not forget other great generals!

General der Panzertruppen Joespaniel... :goodjob:
:tank:

OK, Im on it. :D

Egypt better get their air-raid sirens working...:eek:

Originally posted by youngster76
\You are here by promoted to the rank of Generaloberst! :beer:
...
Und, ve vill not forget other great generals!
General der Panzertruppen Joespaniel... :goodjob:


We shouldn't forget Feldmarshall joespaniel, he is the one that drove our forces into the Egyptian Heartland, and has had many more victories than I. And donsig, he set me up quite well!

Egypt better get their air-raid sirens working...

I wouldn't think we would get fission on your turn, it was still 18 turns away when on my turn... I might say i.Psychosis or donsig would get it on their turn, but not to worry. By your turn you will might have gotten space flight, and tactical nukes. :nuke: :egypt:
Good luck, Egypt.

Conquest Victory!

Germany rules the world!

There is so much I could say to summarize my final 10 turns, but you can download it for yourself and take a look.

One thing I do want to mention:

The last enemy unit to die was a longbowman.

That was for you, Ohwell!!!

My hat is off to EVERYONE who participated in this long, long game.

Special thanks to Knight-Dragon, donsig and Ohwell who were the only three to play start to finish, always faithfull. Great job!

The final turn:

Originally posted by joespaniel
Conquest Victory!

Germany rules the world!


Whaaa? How can this be? In 10 turns? Waaaa? I assume you thought on your first turn to send some units to Japan. I didn't think we would get a conquest victory... either domination or Histograph!


:goodjob: Great Job Joe! Party in Kyoto! (Did you raze it)

:hammer: [dance] :beer: [dance] :hammer: :shotgun:

To Cleo- You were a formidable opponent, but you didn't take the trophy... Goodbye!
http://community.theunderdogs.org/smiley/armed/behead.gif

Finally...... :D [dance] Great job guys! It has been a very good and challenging game esp the part in invading and demolishing Egypt. :D

Alright, I will be posting our new Chinese succession game soon, unless someone wants to become the manager?

What settings do you guys want?

Initial suggestion : -

Difficulty - regent (normal)
Map size - large (12 civs)
All victory conditions enabled
Civ unique abilties enabled
The rest set as random

That was some game. Can't wait to get home and download the last file so I can have a look!

Great work joespaniel you deserve a promotion to Ober Field Marshall!:goodjob:

Knight-Dragon gets a special citiation for reminding us to cut off Cleo's oil way back when that was crucial.:goodjob:

Count me in on the Chinese game. Settings are fine by me. I'm still trying to manage Rise of Rome revisited so I don't want to volunteer to manage the new game.

Yep. Its all over.:D

Germany rules the world!

Download the game, end the turn and the victory screen will pop up.:D

I have a screenshot, but no converter program. Maybe donsig will post one?

Well, what can I say..... this has been an enjoyable read and a most excellent game, dudes.

Congratulations, well played, enjoy the win and thanks for your indepth thoughts on game play while providing great commentry and some screen shots.

I look forward to following your next adventure.

There's not much to see at the end... Egypt is a vast wasteland!

Here's a shot of what was once known as 'Japan'.

This is great guys! Well done!

I must say the Japan invasion fleet looks very impressive! No wonder they were squished so quickly! - 2 Carriers, 8 Battleships, 11 destroyers!

The war with Egypt was the most violent I've ever seen in a Civ game!! A whole continent razed to the ground :eek: !

It's also a funny coincidence that the final turn was 2002 AD!

Yeah, it was a violent war - and joe didn't even have any nukes! I shudder to think what he'll do with the Roman technology we have in that game.[plasma]

I hadn't noticed the game ended in 2002. :crazyeyes

Back in the beginning of January, when the war against Egypt was broiling over, I downloaded the 3050 BC save from the other, first thread.

In my spare time, I played our German game by myself from where I left off; the end of my very first turn. Ofcourse, this gave me some advantages, I knew where everyones start point was by now. But I did it for fun.

I have two saves from my "alternate" Germany, if anyone wants to download and take a look.

There are some funny coincidences, as you will notice.

This is from the ancient age.

City placement is a bit different, this is what I had in mind origionally.

***Please go back to the bottom of page 12 for explanation***

And this is the current situation...

Oddly, the same as what we ended up with. Almost.

Take a good look in the Russian and Greek cities at the bottom of our continent. This is what I call taxation!

Someone has too much free time on his hands. :lol:

BTW, you do know that we're at war in the democracy game not? Shldn't you be leading our troops to war or something in your capacity as the Military Leader? :D

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
Someone has too much free time on his hands. :lol:

I see you took the time to download it... :D

BTW, you do know that we're at war in the democracy game not? Shldn't you be leading our troops to war or something in your capacity as the Military Leader? :D

All taken care of. Thanks! :hammer:

Originally posted by joespaniel
I see you took the time to download it... :DIt ain't me downloading it; when I posted I was at 'work'. :lol: Probably donsig or Ohwell.