President: Donovan Zoi
Deputy President: DaveShack

Welcome to the Office of the President!

September 10th, 1025 BC
To open this thread, I had intended to ask a bunch of questions regarding the worst potential aspects of our then-current situation, after which I would wittily reply "Not on my watch!"

However, with the term a third of the way over and with Fanatikos on the verge of glory again, I decided I will now just let the title speak for itself.

Please feel free to bring into this office any question, idea or grievance you may have and I will do my best to expedite your query in the most efficient way possible.

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
President of Fanatikos

Administration Accomplishments

Founding of the Polling Standards Commission (PSC)
Tech Parity/Superiority Against Rival Nations
Complete National Road Network
Effective Maintenance of DP Schedule

Administration Goals

Founding of Census Office
Implementation of PSC Goals -discussion in progress
Turnchat Summary Improvements
Advance to Government of Republic - 4 turns to go before discovery
Libraries in All Domestic Cities - 4 of 5 as of session 4..will not reach this goal by term's end
Temples in All Domestic Cities
Domestic Defense Initiative

And one more....

Congrats, DZ. You've won the election.

I ask you to watch what your DPs do, and not have sloppy play, like our last turnchat. My city has mysteriously gone from size 2 to size 1, and the warrior is nowhere in sight. Nobody (the player) didn't even listen to my questions about the barbs and a save to look at.

I ask you to watch what your DPs do, and not have sloppy play, like our last turnchat. My city has mysteriously gone from size 2 to size 1, and the warrior is nowhere in sight. Nobody (the player) didn't even listen to my questions about the barbs and a save to look at.


Actually, Chieftess, I think that the barbarians did that. And about Nobody, well, I didn't vote for him anyway in any of these elections.

Congratulations Mr. President Election. Do you plan to have applications for Vice President or will you first offer the job to Octavian X? I would be interesting in applying.

I find the lack of fine foods within the Presidents Office slightly disturbing.

I left the President a nice box of doughnuts while I was vacating the Office. :)

And, to B_H, I'll say that there's no provision in the consitutution for a Vice President. A Deputy President, maybe, but not a Vice one. :p

In any case, I am not interested in the job.

Citizens of Fanatikos,

It seems that there is already some interest in the position for Deputy President. However, I am pleased to announce that I have already spoken with DaveShack and he has agreed to fill in during times I cannot give our great nation the attention it deserves.

Thanks to all for the warm welcome; I look forward to working with each and every one of you. The President's Office will foster an open door policy, so please feel free to address any concern you may have.

For those of you wondering when our first turnchat will be, I can assure you it will be either Saturday or Sunday. I will try to have the details ironed out before this time tomorrow.

I hope that everyone is ready for an eventful term. Please participate in all pertinent discussions, as your input can only make us stronger.


Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
President of Fanatikos

Mr President,

I wrote on Term I thread that I strongly suppport your idea of lowering the luxury slider down to zero. For now, the wines are making one happy face per connected city, and the military police keeps the citizens' mouths shut. We must concentrate on increasing the income and the science slider, as we must get the GL ASAP before the AI does.

Civlord

Mr President,

I wrote on Term I thread that I strongly suppport your idea of lowering the luxury slider down to zero. For now, the wines are making one happy face per connected city, and the military police keeps the citizens' mouths shut. We must concentrate on increasing the income and the science slider, as we must get the GL ASAP before the AI does.

Civlord

Thanks for your interest, Civlord. That is indeed my intention.

If we are lucky enough to win the race to Philosophy (5 turns away), it's likely the people will vote Literature for our free tech. This will give us a good chance at tech parity with trades alone. I will ask our T & T advisor to start a discussion on what to do if we win the Philo gambit.

One thing we have to watch for is the slow drain of gold as we build new units and city improvements. Right now, we are sitting at 100% science, -1 gpt. With only 53 gold in the bank, our treasury could dwindle away fast if we are not careful.

Mr. President - a suggestion to help aid the people in these new times!

I've noticed (and I've been part of that problem), that those of us that are helping run the nation (the DP's) are putting a summary of the results of our efforts in one place. We're putting them in a different place each time. In ages past, the President handled all of these matters, as they were the sole power in charge.

Would you, the President, be willing to maintain that summary information? Keep a central repository of the past actions of our nation, and a summary of our progress through the years?

-- Ravensfire

Donovan Zoi, I would like to ask you add my MSN: tobetested@hotmail.com, as I got an idea I want to discuss in chat on how to remedy the gold problem.

Greeks main advantage is commerce and science, and in a 5BC game, 21 tiles of rotten plains with some scant forests around is not necessarily nirvana. Gold will be the main issue for our civ in this limited city challenge, food is not necessarily the issue.
I found a way to make City 5 be the Golden City on the Hill producing that gold, but that means one needs to turn the deaf ear to the 21 Tiles Adventists.

Tundra, Plains and Desert are not my kinds of Nirvana, and we need to consider that second port in order to get the strategic flexibility.

I was going to make a similar suggestion to ravensfire. We used to have a turnchat schedule and summary thread. There's one stickied in the main forum that has never been used. Perhaps the President could help the DPs organise their schedule and post it in that thread, linking to the turnchat threads as they are created and adding links to the saves, chatlogs and summaries after they are written. This would create the master index of all the saves, summaries and chatlogs that we used to have and are sadly missing this game.

Thanks for your interest, Civlord. That is indeed my intention.

If we are lucky enough to win the race to Philosophy (5 turns away), it's likely the people will vote Literature for our free tech. This will give us a good chance at tech parity with trades alone. I will ask our T & T advisor to start a discussion on what to do if we win the Philo gambit.

One thing we have to watch for is the slow drain of gold as we build new units and city improvements. Right now, we are sitting at 100% science, -1 gpt. With only 53 gold in the bank, our treasury could dwindle away fast if we are not careful.

Loosing gold would be disastrous. Anyway, if we have any improvements anywhere then they are going to be sold. We must start discussing and voting the new luxury slider policy now so I hope we can lower it on the next turnchat or as soon as possible. If any city shows any sign of disorder, we should increase the military police to the maximum (2 in despotism, I believe).

Mr. President - a suggestion to help aid the people in these new times!

I've noticed (and I've been part of that problem), that those of us that are helping run the nation (the DP's) are putting a summary of the results of our efforts in one place. We're putting them in a different place each time. In ages past, the President handled all of these matters, as they were the sole power in charge.

Would you, the President, be willing to maintain that summary information? Keep a central repository of the past actions of our nation, and a summary of our progress through the years?

-- Ravensfire


I will do my best. My goal is to try to streamline the game session information released to the public so that it is easy to follow. In that respect, I will need to coach the DPs to help secure me that information.

Regarding your earlier turnchat time question, I should have that resolved by tonight.

Mr. President, you are not a "Candidate for President" anymore.

I was going to make a similar suggestion to ravensfire. We used to have a turnchat schedule and summary thread. There's one stickied in the main forum that has never been used. Perhaps the President could help the DPs organise their schedule and post it in that thread, linking to the turnchat threads as they are created and adding links to the saves, chatlogs and summaries after they are written. This would create the master index of all the saves, summaries and chatlogs that we used to have and are sadly missing this game.

That's my plan, Furiey. :) Now that ravensfire has provided me with the DP session order, I can now work with these citizens via the DP thread (and PM to be safe) to ensure their session is scheduled reasonably. That said, I will be contacting Provolution on his DP duties by tomorrow.

I am still perusing the forums, and will add the TC Summary thread to my list of priorities.

Well, I am glad to announce that Term II starts tomorrow!

Good luck, DZ!

Mr. President, you are not a "Candidate for President" anymore.

Updated, and thanks for the heads up. I was a bit busy answering the barrage of questions. :D

Regarding your previous post, I don't believe it is sound practice to sell off improvements we have taken the time to build. We will be helped greatly by the founding of Priopos, and I would like to see an emphasis on cheap Library builds if we are fortunate enough to pull off the Philo gambit.

Actually, your city can be a great help in bolstering our numbers since it seems to be the most fertile. I hope you don't mind my pitching ideas for your great city, at least until we get ourselves out of this mess.

I will be posting a proposal to the Olympus thread later today.

Updated, and thanks for the heads up. I was a bit busy answering the barrage of questions. :D

Regarding your previous post, I don't believe it is sound practice to sell off improvements we have taken the time to build. We will be helped greatly by the founding of Priopos, and I would like to see an emphasis on cheap Library builds if we are fortunate enough to pull off the Philo gambit.

Actually, your city can be a great help in bolstering our numbers since it seems to be the most fertile. I hope you don't mind my pitching ideas for your great city, at least until we get ourselves out of this mess.

I will be posting a proposal to the Olympus thread later today.


That's why we should think on lowering the luxury slider. Or then the improvements will be sold.

Anyway, being Scientific, Fanatikos will have cheap libraries with cheap culture and science. Increasing commerce revenue (science, taxes) will be my emphasis, and this includes not only the terrain development but also the building of improvements. I am going to take profit of the Scientific bonus. Olympus is a fertile spot, and with proper working we are going to make it the centre of the world :D !

Donovan Zoi, I would like to ask you add my MSN: tobetested@hotmail.com, as I got an idea I want to discuss in chat on how to remedy the gold problem.

Greeks main advantage is commerce and science, and in a 5BC game, 21 tiles of rotten plains with some scant forests around is not necessarily nirvana. Gold will be the main issue for our civ in this limited city challenge, food is not necessarily the issue.
I found a way to make City 5 be the Golden City on the Hill producing that gold, but that means one needs to turn the deaf ear to the 21 Tiles Adventists.

Tundra, Plains and Desert are not my kinds of Nirvana, and we need to consider that second port in order to get the strategic flexibility.

I am starting to like your idea, Provo. I will post about later in the Citizens Forum thread.

That's why we should think on lowering the luxury slider. Or then the improvements will be sold.The luxury slider is at 0%, that's how we're researching Philosophy at 100% (due in 5). I think it's only -1 gpt so there'll be enough to get Philosophy and the free tech (hopefully) and then drop the slider. Although we can always hope that we do so well trading the techs that we don't have to drop it unless we want to.

The first official turnchat thread of Term II has been opened! I will be leading the online session this weekend at #turnchat. Please post instructions or start discussions as soon as possible, so that we start Term 2 on solid footing.

Turnchat Thread - Saturday, September 3rd at 1600 GMT (Noon EDT) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=127620)

My goal for this chat depends on how lucky we are with Philosophy gambit. If we are successful, I will stop the chat upon its discovery (and the choosing of the "free" tech) so that we can discuss possible trades. If we fail, I will likely press on to 10 turns.

I like to say congrats Mr. President Sir!

I too, would like a turnchat schedule too. I think it's a little easier for me to get discussions ready and everything becomes I might be on vacation or school...all that stuff...

I like to say best off luck!!

Tn'T Minister Truckingpete

Mr. President,

Congratulations on your election! I suspect Term 2 will be eventful (in a positive way).

I have a couple of suggestions which I hope you will consider. First, several citizens are suggesting possible wonders that we might build. The Great Library seems to be a popular choice. Should we win the Philosophy Gambit and select Literature as our free tech, we’ll be able to start construction on the Great Library quite soon. It’s unclear to me who, if anyone, is charged with directing discussion on wonders. I assume this is part of your portfolio in that your office is responsible for “tasks and projects that affect the Nation.” It might be a good idea to start a thread on this, particularly since if we decide to pursue the GL we will probably want to get started on a prebuild immediately. This is particularly important in that our most productive city currently is Olympus (though Auguean Stables is a comer). Building the GL in Olympus would likely delay its ability to become a worker factory, an idea I know you are considering. And of course should we decide to build the GL in Olympus we might want to reassign a worker to its precincts to further its development.

Second, have we formulated an overall strategy for the game? I haven’t been able to find it, but I’m been away from the game for several weeks and may have overlooked such discussion. If we haven’t formulated a strategy, it might be a good idea to open such a discussion concurrent with our wonder discussion. We may decide on a strategy that makes building the GL undesirable, for example.

Thanks for your consideration!

Darn it Bertie - you beat me to the punch!

Mr. President - wonders most certainly are within your office. While there is strong demand for the Great Library, we need to confirm that decision, and then decide where to build it. If we're going to do it, we need to start on it soon, and focus some workers on improving that city both in size and in production capacity.

Mr. President, time is short for this! Let's plan this out now!

-- Ravensfire

Gentlemen, thank you for your interest.

At this point, I didn't want to get everyone worked up over a Great Library conversation when we are not even sure that Literature is in our immediate future.

Hopefully both of you can take heart that if our race to Philosophy is successful five turns from now, the game session will stop at that time and discussion on all ramifications of our discoveries will begin immediately. In the meantime, I cannot see the point in beginning a pre-build for an item that cannot be 100% confirmed at this time.

If you have any other questions on this matter, please let me know.


Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
President of Fanatikos

Gentlemen,

After further consideration, I have opened a discussion on this matter:

Great Library: Is It Worth Our Time? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=127688)

Mr. President,

What's your Government Strategy for Term II? Will you seek Monarchy or Republic?

My Personal Opinion:

DZ, depending upon our strategy, we may have to get Monarchy. I think we will have a fight for survival before the AI severely outnumbers us in cities, and I doubt that Germany will be a good neighbor. We will probably declare war on Bismarck. Then we will need some sort of Autoritarian government (in the game) with military police to calm the citizens. I wouldn't consider Republic until the Late Middle Ages or the Industrial Ages.

But for me, Democracy is completely out of question, unless we want to suffer a lot with war weariness. Anyway, we won't discover Democracy in Term II, so I wouldn't bother you now with that. This time we must choose between Republic and Monarchy.

Or perhaps continue in Despotism :rolleyes: .

Respectfully,

Governor Civlord

I feel that we will need the scientific edge of the republic. Without that, we will fall hopelessly behind. Plus, the republic will give us the gold to buy techs; monarchy won't.

Or how about we bunker down in feudalism? ;)

It is a good idea, RegentMan. Feudalism gets extra unit support, but there is war weariness. If we get Feudalism, we will spare our precious gold, but in case of war with Germany we will have to be fast and end the war before the citizens start rioting.

People of Fanatikos,

I am happy to say that I have finally completed the Turnchat Summary (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3051393&postcount=14) for today's chat. Please feel free to read through it, and come visit my office with any questions you may have.

Now that this first turnchat is complete, I am going to do my best to work on some of the structural needs of our forum. In the near future, please look for a Turnchat Archival Thread, as well as the foundation of our Census Department. If I have time, I am also hoping to re-found the Polling Standards Commission.

Governor Provolution has already been prompted to start a new Turnchat thread, and once he does I will notify the next-in-queue (RegentMan). Rege, if you are still in here, consider yourself on the lookout. ;)

Thanks for taking part in this joyous introduction to the new term. It's only going to get better from here!

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
President of Fanatikos

Mr President,

Looking at the save I notice that we are down to 2 Workers, both of which are working at the Augean Stables (lots of mucking out to be done I would guess with those horses in the city). What happened to the other Worker? Going back over the chat log there was some talk about joining one to Civatonia, but then you say you misread and it is not clear if that actually happened:

[17:44] <DX_Zoi> Worker in Civatonia completes mine
[17:44] <DX_Zoi> I would like to add worker back to city to boost your production and lose 1gpt support
[17:45] <Ginger_Ale> any other workers in the area?
[17:45] <DX_Zoi> you have two unworked tiles queued up and 6 turns to grow
[17:45] <Ginger_Ale> There is no use to boost population if it will just be working unimproved tiles..
[17:45] <DX_Zoi> you have two mined roaded tiles ready
[17:45] <Chieftess> back
[17:45] <Ginger_Ale> ok
[17:46] <Ginger_Ale> fine with me
[17:46] <DX_Zoi> CT, read the above
[17:46] <Chieftess> DZ - sure.
[17:46] <DX_Zoi> cool. It makes sense
[17:46] <Chieftess> The capital can build a worker later.
[17:46] <Chieftess> It'll help replenish the barb attack..
[17:46] <Ginger_Ale> I didn't know we had improved tiles already..
[17:47] <DaveShack> what about roading towards Priapos location?
[17:47] <Chieftess> Atleast 3 that I know of.
[17:47] <DX_Zoi> Actually I misread. Civatonia will be size 3 next turn with all three tiles utilized!
[17:47] <Ginger_Ale> The 3 BGs, right?
[17:47] <DX_Zoi> yep

Please could you clarify.

Yes, this actually did happen, Furiey.

My allocation of workers was to regain utilization of all three mined bonus grasslands for a stronger Civatonia, and it was confirmed with both officials of the city. Once we build the Great Library two turns from now (after a Hoplite is completed), we can commission another worker from Civatonia to start connecting the strategic resources there.

I realize that worker allocation was not discussed leading up to this turnset, and I will try not to make that same mistake again. Please look for a thread discussing our worker priorities sometime this weekend in the Citizens Forum.

Thanks for your interest in the workings of our nation, Furiey.

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
President of Fanatikos

Thank you for your response, I thought that it probably had happened, but the final statement about misreading clouded the issue. It may be better to continue recruiting workers in Olympus rather than diverting Civatonia's high production away from other tasks such as recruitment for the army from its Barracks and construction of infrastructia.

M4, that's downright spam. I've banned you for a day, since you're new. If you want to roleplay, make a thread somewhere rather than posting in all caps like that.

Congratulations on your election! I suspect Term 2 will be eventful (in a positive way).


It was not exactly that way that ocurred now. With this mediocre attempt of turning into the "Dictator" of the DG, Sherman ruined some heads with bad thoughts, the others he made laugh. But anyway, the President of Fanatikos was not elected to be deposed after only a few days in the office, neither to have spam in the Government thread. I wonder if they are going to get this into the Judiciary.

edit - they won't get it to the Judiciary. The moderators already punished M4 Sherman.

Mr President, do you want to handle the process of selecting a site for the Great Library personally, or can someone else handle it? The discussion seems to have settled on having a poll with all our cities as the choices.

Dave,

I just saw your proposal and posted a response in that thread. If you would like to do the honors during my absence today, then I have no problem with that. Otherwise, I will post a poll tonight. :)

mr. DZ,

After a particulary unsuccesful and funny attempt of taking power, i say i am back. Don't expect any pity from me :evil: .

Mr. M4 Sherman,

What do you expect from us? We are here, calmly doing our job, when you appear and make this entire mess. If you want to have a good laugh, what about posting your absurd comments in the Humor forum?

Civlord

Let's play nice and not turn this into a flamewar.

mr. DZ,

After a particulary unsuccesful and funny attempt of taking power, i say i am back. Don't expect any pity from me :evil: .

Welcome back, Mr. Sherman. Pity is for the pitiful, so I expect nothing. :)

As you have probably guessed, I don't mind a little bit of conflict in the game to spice things up. However, I usually do require that the conflict is issue-driven. If you have any legitimate concerns, please feel free to post them.

People of Fanatikos,

Please refer to Post #2 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3039816&postcount=2) of this thread, where I have provided a list of my goals and accomplishments for Term 2. Depending on citizen input, this may be a dynamic list. That said, please feel free to review this list and make suggestions for anything I may have missed.

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
President of Fanatikos

mr. DZ,
After a particulary unsuccesful and funny attempt of taking power, i say i am back. Don't expect any pity from me.

I feel i must take atleast some of the blame for this youngmans misadventure, it is painfully obvious he has come down with a not so rare case of chancellor-workship. But don't fear mr president, the current adminstartion joins the favor of la cosa nostra and all of our mutual freinds. And although your first instink may very well be a public lynching and i must lobby against it, clearly shermans talents could be better placed against or rivals germany and france. He shows many attributes of the late El sanco diablo, lets just hope his agressive tendency do not lead him down the same road as el sanco (moderated to death) or sonny corleone (gangland execution).

Nobody i feel you're going to be a good friend. I will join Cosa Nostra and "eliminate" the president when we don't need him anymore.

Mr. President,

Recently a citizen posted in the Olympus thread what could be a great idea: build the MoM in Olympus. Do you agree with that situation? Is it in our plans for the future of Fanatikos? I will be posting a discussion thread followed by a poll as soon as I can.

Gratefully,

Governor Civlord

Mr. President,

Recently a citizen posted in the Olympus thread what could be a great idea: build the MoM in Olympus. Do you agree with that situation? Is it in our plans for the future of Fanatikos? I will be posting a discussion thread followed by a poll as soon as I can.

Gratefully,

Governor Civlord

Governor Civlord,

You are more than welcome to get a discussion rolling. In fact, I encourage it. However, as fond as I was of Maussollos' dedication to Fanatikos, I am not sure if we can afford such a grand tribute to the man.

Either way, I do want this brought before the nation. And since it is a city-driven initiative, I will let you lead the festivities.

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
President of Fanatikos

Mr President

I have noticed that the topic in the turnchat thread reads:

[16:00] * Topic is 'Demogame VII: Welcome to Term 1! CHAT ON NOW'
[16:00] * Set by SaaM on Fri Aug 26 18:17:23

This is obviously out of date, but I realise than many of the current DPs either do not know how, know that they need to set it or have the rights to do so. Perhaps you could take this matter in hand.

Honestly, Furiey. I have no idea how to do that myself. I'll be in chat shortly and maybe we can figure something out.

People of Fanatikos,

I have opened a very important FA discussion in the Citizens Forum. Please participate and help drive the future our nation:

FA Discussion: Shall We Join Alliances Against Germany? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=128434)

Mr. President,

Due to the possibility of Olympus building the MoM in a few turns, I ask you if you could put some workers to mine the hill tiles near Olympus to increase the shield production there. In the future, I will possibly be relocating some citizens to work there. We must build the MoM quickly.

Thanks,

Governor Civlord

Mr. President,

Due to the possibility of Olympus building the MoM in a few turns, I ask you if you could put some workers to mine the hill tiles near Olympus to increase the shield production there. In the future, I will possibly be relocating some citizens to work there. We must build the MoM quickly.

Thanks,

Governor Civlord

You won't need to do that, Governor. You have enough forest to do the job right now. Remember that you only get two shields out of a mined hill under Despotism.

I will post the rest of my proposal in the Olympus thread shortly.

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
President of Fanatikos

Mr. President,

Unhappily, I forgot about that. But I don't deny these hills will be useful in the future, when we have Republic.

Sincerely,

Governor Civlord

Mr. President,

I noticed in the most recent instruction thread these instructions for Priapos: "Buildqueue- Complete hoplite-begin temple-complete temple-begin Colossus-complete colossus"

Have there been any discussions affirming the construction of the wonder Colossus? The only discussion invovling Colossus elicted minimal support for that wonder, and significant support for not building it. I'm concerned that such a significant project be started early in the life of a city, without any focused discussions on it.

Do we have a comprehensive, Ancient era wonder strategy?

Thanks,
-- Ravensfire

Roleplay version

Honorable Dictator of Fanatikos, Donovazoios

According to City of Priapos forecasts, we are some 275 yearsfrom completing our first deepwater harbor. Therefore, I will politely ask for our menial workforce to complete the mines and roads on that coastal hill, and afterwards roads for wine east of Priapos, as our borders will expand in a siecle of a full hundred years. This means, that with combined harbor and added jugs of fertile wine from the Phallos Wineyards, we can trade that wine and sow the seeds of trade with another nation and allow our citizens to prosper and enjoy new product lines in their pursuit of Hedonistic happiness.
In order to anticipate ultra-conservative criticism, Priapos has preempted this with our first national temple, so we now feel free to enjoy our gold, wine, fish and other excesses with the option to pay penance in our temples. We also look forward to more democracy in our city states, and with no offense, would prefer a regime change as soon our trade opportunities with wine are secured, after harbor is complete and wine
part of our merchant network.

Yours truly

Humbly the City of Priapos, represented by Provolution

Numbercruncher version

According to City of Priapos forecasts, we are 11 turns away from completing harbor.
Therefore, I will politely ask for workers to complete mining that hill, and road for wine east of Priapos, as our cultural borders will expand in 4 turns. This means we need to road Priapos 3-6 as soon as possible, in order to trade for one more luxury for an extra wine. That said, we still got another unroaded wine east of Olympus. I think it is high time to expand our trade deals, as we got a harbor up and running in 11 turns.
I would also call for 11 turns to be target date for our revolution, as we may use the same harbor for trade deals. We can still negotiate trade deals prior/during anarchy and right after.

All I ask for is some patience in relocating these workers.

Yours truly

Provolution

Mr. President,

I've got a couple of questions about workers. First, how many do we have right now? Second, how many do you think we OUGHT to have right now? Finally, what are your key national projects for workers both now, and in the foreseeable future?

Thanks!
-- Ravensfire

I would also like to ask for setting the luxury slider at 20 or 30 %, as we got 2 fully happy cities that way, and can sustain much more growth until the mausoleum is complete, without delaying Republic more than 1 single turn. This will significantly increase city output, not only in shields and food, but also in commerce.

Mr. President,

I've got a couple of questions about workers. First, how many do we have right now? Second, how many do you think we OUGHT to have right now? Finally, what are your key national projects for workers both now, and in the foreseeable future?

Thanks!
-- Ravensfire

Ravensfire,

We currently have seven workers, distributed as follows:

(3) in Styx: needed work nearly complete

(2) in Olympus: roading production forests for more trade dollars, then will enhance 2-3 more tiles in preparation of Mausolleum build.

(2) in Priapos: enhancing two more tiles per Governor Provolution's request (subject to change, but not likely).


Development Plans

All five cities connected via road - complete!

Iron connected - complete!

Colonization of distant Furs - too risky

Enhancement of Sugar tile in the Augean Stables - next turnchat

Roadwork to strategic sentry points - not yet

Worker Relocation and Growth Initiative (aka Size 6+ Plan) - needs unclear until we are in Republic


I hope this gives you an idea of where we are heading as a nation. I want us to have a distinct advantage at our borders, as well as giving each city the resources needed to maximize their available land. So far, seven workers seems sufficient for this, but time will tell

If you have any other questions, please feel free to address them here.


Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
President of Fanatikos

Citizens of Fanatikos,

Below is a progress report on my goals for this term. While I have not made great strides in founding some key offices, I am in the process of completing all of my in-game objectives (except one).

Administration Accomplishments

Founding of the Polling Standards Commission (PSC)
Tech Parity/Superiority Against Rival Nations
Complete National Road Network
Effective Maintenance of DP Schedule

Administration Goals

Founding of Census Office
Implementation of PSC Goals -discussion in progress
Turnchat Summary Improvements - need to hold national discussion
Advance to Government of Republic - 4 turns to go before discovery
Libraries in All Domestic Cities - 4 of 5 as of Session 4..will not reach this goal by term's end
Temples in All Domestic Cities 1 of 5 as of Session 4
Domestic Defense Initiative

hey DZ, I built the very first temple according to your plan :)

hey DZ, I built the very first temple according to your plan :)

....while holding me back from my main goal. :lol:

As far as I am concerned however, bygones are in order. The Library is now not of much use for the next 30-odd turns. I just hope that next time I request it (if there is a next time ;) ), you can find the time for a Library in Priapos. The emerging Illiterati movement on our South Coast troubles me. ;)

Perfect - thanks DZ!

I will comment that with the impending switch to Republic, I'm concerned that 7 workers won't be enough. Much of our land is capable of doing so much more than it does now. Unfortunately, the goon squads the Governors use to "encourage" citizens to work the land hurt productivity.

It's quite understandable that, as we enter a new era of productivity and growth, that the demands on the workforce will increase drastically. If we could ask each Governor to create an additional work squad, that would set us up nicely for the switch to a Republic. In addition, I'd like to see those workers dedicated to prepatory land improvements, to maximize immediate gains upon the switch. Once we get the immediate land improvements complete, releasing them to rejoin the cities could be a nice touch.

I realize, however, that all of this is limited by the possibility of war and invading troops. Just my thoughts on the matter!

-- Ravensfire

....while holding me back from my main goal. :lol:

As far as I am concerned however, bygones are in order. The Library is now not of much use for the next 30-odd turns. I just hope that next time I request it (if there is a next time ;) ), you can find the time for a Library in Priapos. The emerging Illiterati movement on our South Coast troubles me. ;)

From a pure game-perspective, the lack of interest in sending a garrison south, and the need for both happiness and culture at once, temple was the only option. I also knew that Priapos, as the last built city would be shortchanged on garrisons, due to internal politics. I also saw that Civgeneral ignored that culture
expands in 4 turns, that is why he worked that hill and did not road the wine.
You know, I tend to plan more than 5 turns ahead, and having that river roaded prior to culture would be the best call.

For you library in Priapos was more a symbolic, than a strategic objective, as we now will see 4 libraries stand idle for some 30 turns and cost us 120 gold in upkeep, I will save 30 gold and earn us 250-300 gold if the marketplace is put up nicely and you add 20-30 % on the lux slider and find one garrison for Priapos. Or I can produce that separately, but I thought we wanted veterans.

Sorry, but for a moment there I read the emerging Illuminati movement :crazyeye:

Sorry, but for a moment there I read the emerging Illuminati movement :crazyeye:

It's almost the same, Furiey. Though not quite as swift, if ya know what I mean? :mischief: ;)

The illiteraties are actually Numeratis, we only care about financial numbers.

Mr President,

What timing can we expect for our upcoming revolution? It's an interesting tradeoff between getting to Republic as soon as possible in case our GA is triggered by the war with Persia, vs. holding off and getting in some military production (and finishing the MoM in Olympus) before undergoing the production loss from anarchy.

Just a friendly reminder, instructions are incomplete for the upcoming turnchat.

To all elected officials:

Due to an eagerness to get a chat during a reasonable time for our overseas players, a severe brain cramp and a possible lack of caffeine, I am resheduling the upcoming game session.

It is now scheduled for Monday, September 26th at 7pm, Central time.

My apologies for any trouble!
-- Ravensfire, candidate for President

Mr President, some of the currently posted instructions for the next turnchat are inconsistent with each other, and one section (currently blank) is potentially illegal if nothing changes in the judiciary ruling on the current JR.

Presidential Instructions - 410 BC

Begin Revolution

Begin revolution based on the results of this poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=129558). Play must stopped immediately once we become a Republic so that several assessments can be made.

Science Slider

Set slider for 100% Entertainment before duration of Anarchy Period. Once Anarchy is complete, raise the Luxury slider until happiness can be maintained in all cities. Then stop the session.


Treasury Requests

None at this time.

Worker Allocations

Olympus Workers: TBD

Civantonia Workers: TBD

Priapos Workers: TBD

City Micromanagement (if cleared by Governor)

TBD


Slider orders say to start at 100% entertainment and then raise luxury until happieness managed in all cities
You first say to stop immediately upon changing to republic and then say to play with the sliders after becoming republic. :)
Two justices have already ruled that governors cannot delegate their instructions to anyone other than their deputies.

Mr President, some of the currently posted instructions for the next turnchat are inconsistent with each other, and one section (currently blank) is potentially illegal if nothing changes in the judiciary ruling on the current JR.




Slider orders say to start at 100% entertainment and then raise luxury until happieness managed in all cities
You first say to stop immediately upon changing to republic and then say to play with the sliders after becoming republic. :)
Two justices have already ruled that governors cannot delegate their instructions to anyone other than their deputies.


Thanks, Dave. I knew I appointed the right person for "Vice President." ;)

To explain:

1. I changed the lux rate to 100% at the last minute without regard to the context of the sentence. Easy fix.

2. I'll amend my instructions to stop the chat once sliders have been set. I don't to risk an oversight during the next session.

3. I'll be removing it shortly. :( Article E and CoL Section L1 have several flaws that severely hamper any forum reaction to incomplete or careless instructions. I will be drafting an amendment for both in the very near future.

Thanks again for the heads up, Dave.


Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
President of Fanatikos

President Donovan Zoi,

I've noted that Vice President DaveShack posted the concerns I would have had (and many thanks for that, DaveShack!). If possible, please update your instructions.

Also, I would note that there has been no review about the delegation of authority. All leaders control their area as they see fit, so long as they comply with the will of the people and the basic constraints laid upon them. Ultimately, all responsibility remains with the leader, but I see nothing wrong with one leader asking another citizen (who may or may not be an official) to help them out.

-- Ravensfire, your upcoming Designated Player

President Donovan Zoi,

The former Governor of Olympus has been declared persona non grata (perma-banned :eek: ), and thus is no longer Governor. His deputy, CivGeneral, ably stepped forth and posted the instructions for the upcoming turnchat.

Although the term is nearly complete, I urge you to exercise the powers granted to you by Section H.4 of the Code of Laws, and immediately appoint him Governor of Olympus in recognition of his efforts and to give those citizens of Olympus guidance during the times of unrest so plainly near to starting.

Thanks!
-- Ravensfire, candidate for President

President Donovan Zoi,

I too urge you to appoint Deputy and acting Governor CivGeneral to Governor, It's not as if you have to wait in case the Governor comes back!

Also, there is still time for one more chat this term (after tonights/tomorrow mornings) otherwise there will be a long wait until the next one. Please use your influence with the DP pool to get this scheduled.

Thank You

Furiey

DZ has sent me a PM asking me if I would accept the job and I replied back saying that I am interested :).

Mr. President,

After a brief look-through on the save, I see some possible opportunities for national projects that may benefit our nation quickly. Near two of our cities, we can connect our roads to those of Germany and France. While neither of these nations have any goods available for trade right now, they both seem to have demand for our wine. Imagine the French drinking Greek wine!

I'm pretty sure that a harbor will also connect us to the French, as the city Lyons, quite near our western border, has a harbor, but I cannot say the same about Germany.

Either way, we have an opportunity begin trading our excess wine for gold!

-- Ravensfire

President Donovan Zoi,

The former Governor of Olympus has been declared persona non grata (perma-banned :eek: ), and thus is no longer Governor. His deputy, CivGeneral, ably stepped forth and posted the instructions for the upcoming turnchat.

Although the term is nearly complete, I urge you to exercise the powers granted to you by Section H.4 of the Code of Laws, and immediately appoint him Governor of Olympus in recognition of his efforts and to give those citizens of Olympus guidance during the times of unrest so plainly near to starting.

Thanks!
-- Ravensfire, candidate for President

Ravensfire (and Furiey),

I had actually PMed CivGeneral last night, but did not have time to post an official appointment announcement once I received his reply. Please pardon my delay in publicizing this development.

You may congratulate CivGeneral in the Appointment Thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=129820) located in the Citizens Forum.

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
President of Fanatikos

Mr. President,

After a brief look-through on the save, I see some possible opportunities for national projects that may benefit our nation quickly. Near two of our cities, we can connect our roads to those of Germany and France. While neither of these nations have any goods available for trade right now, they both seem to have demand for our wine. Imagine the French drinking Greek wine!

I'm pretty sure that a harbor will also connect us to the French, as the city Lyons, quite near our western border, has a harbor, but I cannot say the same about Germany.

Either way, we have an opportunity begin trading our excess wine for gold!

-- Ravensfire


Ravensfire,

Thank you for your request. At this point, I am wrestling with our worker situation as it is. After looking at the save, it's quite apparent that the city of Olympus needs to grow quickly. At 20% luxuries, our capital has 4 happy faces, and needs extra population fast. Getting it to Size 7 will also save us 2 gpt in unit support.

Secondly, I am only interested in trading our Luxuries if we can receive Luxuries in return. But of course that isn't my call.

I will make your request part of my Nation Agenda for Republic thread when I open discussions sometime tomorrow.

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
President of Fanatikos

I would recommend to use harbors first for trades, as roads to other nations may jeopardize the security situation. Also, the galleys may find another civ one harbor.
I agree that we should trade for luxes, ideally, as marketplaces multiply the happiness effect with these, so in a sense markets serves s temples.