Sword its been 3 days... relax, I'm sure he's alright but busy...

1000 replies. Yehaa.

;)

3 days? wow so long I wonder whats with him. I dont think hes studing I dont know how about you but I always find time to check most important sites like this one even when I had those exams at the end of a year so I gess hes grounded lol :D

... grown men don`t get grounded..

1000 replies. Yehaa.

;)

Yesh, w00t indeed!:D

Alright, I'm back, no I wasn't grounded (:lol: ), or in exams, or dead... just away from my computer for a few days with relatives. But I got to see Pirates 3 (watch it to see an example of how NOT to use an SOTL!), and bought+read the book Master and Commander, so plenty of naval activity achieved even with the lack of access to the shipyard.

To clear things up, the Trident is a fictional class I invented that's above Ship of the Line (though some of those SOTL examples there still come mighty close!), SOTL is a very much NON-fictional class. Trident is supposed to be larger, (largest SOTL was 64 meters long. Trident is 269 meters long:D ), though to keep detail the size might not be too different in-game.

Good to have you back..have you decided how your Ship of the Line is going to look like oh king of de sea? I'm partial to the triple decker design myself.

NOTE: Typing this via Wii, slow, but uber.
Yeah, I'm definitely going no less than 2 gun decks, only debate is whether I'll have that top, 3rd row, and if I do whether to have it open (and so be the top deck) or have a cannonless top-deck above.

(OK, definitely not using the Wii for forums...)

Hahaha! Yeah, I've tried visiting the forums on my Wii. Not a very pleasant experience.

I did that for a while, when my power supply died. Visiting is okay.. Typing, not. ^^

269? :wow:

If wou made the third row of tanks cannons on the top deck, would you make tiny little shooty cannons? :)

269?
are you creting Noes arch or whatever that guys name was?!?!?

I think he was Noah...

No. He already created it. This one is normal.

It was Noah. And he built an Arc/Ark. The Romans are the ones that built Archs for their generals.

Orthanc - Definitely three decks. :D How about some grape shot or chain shot anims? :mischief:

Yeah I like this kind of SOFL:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/pennsylvania-h00460k.jpg

With the three gun decks

I found quite good pirate online game totaly free tho I got killed by 10 pirat ships they had fregats or something like that and I had bark...after this humiliating defeat I dont want to see a ship for some time

Thats a bummer. Cos Orthanc will be making quite alot of those ;)

Maybe u should do tha black pearl from pirates.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/110011/get_him.jpg he got away I run out of cannon balls :cry:

maybe you could use some models of ships from this game tho Im low level so the ship I have is the only I can afort

Maybe u should do tha black pearl from pirates.

There already is a Black Pearl unit. It's one of the pirate ships that aaglo made.

Maybe u should do tha black pearl from pirates.

Already done.

Edit: Crosspost.

There already is a Black Pearl unit. It's one of the pirate ships that aaglo made.


yöu mean this? http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=77909

someone could make one that doesnt look like a ghost ship

HunterAnubis, ever heard of Sid Meier's Pirates? If you haven't noticed, it's by the same guy who made Civ3, and is an uber game. I have it, and thus access to images and models from it, and it has quite the ship selection of it's own. But anyways, I'd have to convert models (if that's even possible) in order to use them in POV Ray, which I've never tried and I really doubt it'd be easy to work with, so instead I just look at images of models and make my own based on them.

Now I doubt he'd do this (due to insane busy-ness I'm sure), but aaglo could probably very easily re-create his Black Pearl without the rips in the sails. If I remember correctly, the rips are just a texture, which wouldn't be very difficult to alter. That's your best bet for getting a non-ghosty Black Pearl within the next few months/year, though I must say, I really like aaglo's Pearl the way it is. Please don't poke him too much!

hey orthanc have you yet decided on your design for your Ship of the Line yet? I'm with you whatever you decide.

Yeah I'm going with the triple decker, that way when I'm remaking the Man O War and Frigate, I can have the Man O War have two decks, the Frigate just one, giving us a sensible order of power, maybe something like this:

Sloop-Galleon-Privateer-Corvette-Frigate-Man O War-Ship of the Line-Trident

My evil plan is working:mischief: :D

Mhahahahahaha! :lol: It works beutifully it does. If anyone objects they can just walk the plank lol...

Are you going to have the cannons fire in a particular order or all at once? Or have multiple attacks? I just love sailing ships.

Yeah I'm going with the triple decker, that way when I'm remaking the Man O War and Frigate, I can have the Man O War have two decks, the Frigate just one, giving us a sensible order of power, maybe something like this:

Sloop-Galleon-Privateer-Corvette-Frigate-Man O War-Ship of the Line-Trident

My evil plan is working:mischief: :D
But anyone who has played Pirates! can tell you that the Sloop is undefeatable. ;) They run rings round any heavier type of vessel. So the order would be:

Galleon-Privateer-Corvette-Frigate-Man O War-Ship of the Line-Trident-Sloop

http://newsdesigner.com/blog/images/pirate.jpg

http://newsdesigner.com/blog/images/pirate.jpg
what the hell is that?!?!?!? I cant imagine playing on this

sids pirates arent to good in one thing the AI you know what will it do but player can do crazy things :crazyeye: mainly when they team up against you

Stormy, that is the most nautical peice of technology I have ever seen.
:twitch:
:lol:

And Keroro does raise a good point, in Pirates, once I'm in a fully upgraded Royal Sloop (or anyone that knows how to play really) I'm untouchable, Matrix style. It's hopelessly unrealistic, but the ship turns on a dime and the enemy broadside, no matter how large, is suddenly headed for open sea.

Yeah, I love Sloops too, that's why it was my first unit, which I redid twice afterwards:D .

Anywho, here's what's in the yards (yes literally now!):
http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/6971/p1nr2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Looks great. The drydock is a nice touch for your previews.

Nice deck texture and I like the colors :) Red is civcolor or?

Arrrr :D

Great! That model of the hull-only is very valuable, the Carrack's going to be fun! (As will Ship of the Line before it).

Its all the same ship, from what I understand from your reply, looks like you think they are different ships.

And I'm guessing this reply was for me:rolleyes:, if wasn't ignore this one.:p

This was the ship that Pedro Alvarez Cabral, and his man used to find their way to India, but they end up discovering what is today Brazil.

I think he means that the ship you posted was a Carrack and the ship he is doing before that ship is the SoTL, the "before" in his post refering not to the pic psoted but the actual unit.

I think.

:crazyeye: Too much thinking! Quinzy's got it, I know all the pictures you posted cometflash, based on their design, were of Carracks, the 'before' is in fact referring to the fact that I'm making the Ship of the Line before I get to the Carrack.

Now that that's no longer clear as mud, back to the yard with ye... me.

Hurrah! :D

:crazyeye: Too much thinking! Quinzy's got it, I know all the pictures you posted cometflash, based on their design, were of Carracks, the 'before' is in fact referring to the fact that I'm making the Ship of the Line before I get to the Carrack.

Now that that's no longer clear as mud, back to the yard with ye... me.

Not your fault, just me and my English understanding (which isn't great).

Quinzy got it right away, (but I still need your reply, as Quinzy didn't sound so sure:D).

Just a quick question but whats the difference between a Man O' War and a Ship of the Line? The Civ3 Civilopedia says I believe that the Man O' War is a kind of Ship of the Line? Is this untrue and is the Man O War another class entirely? Just curious?

Great work so far Orthanc. Love the dockyard style preview..

*puttering of fingers as he goes to wikipedia*

I thought so, Man of War can really be any primarily sailing warship armed with cannons. I think the limits are mainly that it be a national vessel (as opposed to private, pirate, or privateer) and have more than 20 cannons (20 is considered a 6th rate ship, quite weak). So yes, technically a Sloop, Galleon, Frigate and Ship of the Line can all be heaped under the term Man of War, but I'll lend Civ 3 some nautical slack and pretend it's a ship between Frigate and Ship of the Line.:D

Speaking of which:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9972/p2sn9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/4996/p3dg0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
This is being heavily modelled after the HMS Victory. The old red lines are goldish now, but just for the previews, cause I really like that color. Just finished the stern (complicated!), and I have Pirates 3 soundtrack stuck in my mind:twitch:

Don`t you reffer to ships in enlish as a "she"? How come its a Man of War then? :crazyeye:

And your SOTL is beautiful. I missed your ships too, tho I`m a land lubber :)

This IS looking good so far....

Beautiful ship! Arr!

:) Thanks everyone, I'm really enjoying making this thing, reminds me of why I do all this stoof. Anywho, got the masts and yards up, just wanted some input on how they are size-wise before I put in the sails and rigging:
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7702/p4iy4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

They look very tall compared to the hull, maybe halve the height?

:lol: I just looked at this thing head on, you're right, the masts are far to tall (and so the yards, proportioned with the masts, too wide). El fixo.

Glad I pointed that out before you threw the sails on...lol.

This was exactly why I asked before-hand, sails involve calculating 16 different points in 3D space, and have to conform to the yards, so changing the yards is infinitely easier before the sails are on. Anywho, basically redid the masts, my entire concept of sail-to-boat ratios was so mixed up, got it back though! I think, well, see for yourself:
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/5589/p5qe7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

wow...nothing else to say...looking forward to another Orthanc:shipyard production...

Looking good, really. Can't wait to fire broadsides with this baby. Oh, with much smoke, please. ;)

realy great job in such a short time

Thanks!

Yes Ares de Borg, there shall be much explody fun with the attacks.:D

Well she's ready for sea trails (animating). Drydock's flooded (not so dry now eh?), sails unfurled:
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/1411/p6dd4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Its a beauty of a ship. Can't wait to see the attacks.

It's fore-sheet free, with her head to the sea,
and the swing of the unbought brine --
We'll make no sport in an English court till we come as a ship o' the Line
- Rudyard Kipling

Nice looking little boat ya got there...great work on all that rigging...

Hey hey, I love your age of sail ships and I'm happy to see a new one! But is it gonna be civ3 scale or like on the preview? Civ3 scale would be better of course ;)

Permission to come aboard, sir?

Animations will be made in an appropriate Civ3 scale (somewhat bigger than the Man-O-War I'm thinking), preview-scale is always arbitrary, based solely on the entire unit fitting within the 256x256 sized image. Actual frame size probably will be under 200x200, and the unit never fills all of that.

Wow, Orthanc, she`s a beauty!

I just sinked that ship with mine (the one I shown before) 10 mins ago :D
How?:confused: well he was kidna damaged when I came acros him :mischief:
Your doing great job Im not a fan of these big ships but Ill definitely have it:goodjob:

Warming up the guns:
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3756/p8tc4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Individual firing tests (AttackB) start soon.:D

Because of the details on the hull, and the amount of explosions, rending time for the attacks is quite lengthy, but I hope to have this done by Monday (would be sooner, but I have family visitng next two days).

Looks awesome Orthanc, and this is just a preview:eek:?

Looking good! But what if you made the cannons firing with a small delay (just miliseconds) - I think this would make it even better.

Anyway, wonderful ship!

Yeah, a delay would be cooler, somehow I doubt they could`ve been so disciplined with 3000 cannons aboard :crazyeye:

:lol: 3000 cannons, even the Trident has less than 300 (This is SPARTA! Sorry, couldn't resist...) when including the single-man 'swivel guns' (still putting it well above a 1st rate Ship of the Line of about 100-ish). I know the British were very well trained with their guns, but yes the timing should still be off more (I did try a little, I think it's unnoticed because the animation's going faster than I thought it would), luckily Attack B will have them firing randomly, so you should get plenty of variety there.

This is SODA! :D Attack B, eh? Cool :cool:

I would like to see an attack like the one previewed...even if it is "fictional"...

Don't worry, that one's definately AttackA:thumbsup:

AttackB in practice (rendering)...

Orthanc, I just have to say I really like your work. What Wyrm and VJ are for modern ships, you (and formerly aaglo as well) are for the Age Of Sail - artists. Very good work, I'm already using all of your historical units and will do so in the future.

Thumbs up!

Oh, I drool for this....

Oh, and While the subject ahs been mentioned:
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7976/cautionthisisspartadz2gs5.jpg

Oh I so love that movie, to bad was to short.

Where did you find that pic? lol

Oh, I drool for this....

Oh, and While the subject ahs been mentioned:
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7976/cautionthisisspartadz2gs5.jpg

Will it ever end??...its almost as bad as AYB

AYB? :hmm:

AYB? :hmm:
All your base?

Oh, and nice work Orthanc. :)

I have a sugestion for attack C. cannons will fire from front to back one by one

:lol: 3000 cannons, even the Trident has less than 300 (This is SPARTA! Sorry, couldn't resist...) when including the single-man 'swivel guns' (still putting it well above a 1st rate Ship of the Line of about 100-ish). I know the British were very well trained with their guns, but yes the timing should still be off more (I did try a little, I think it's unnoticed because the animation's going faster than I thought it would), luckily Attack B will have them firing randomly, so you should get plenty of variety there.

Firing randomly will look great I'm sure.

AYB? :hmm:

Indeed...AYB = All Your Base (Are Belong to Us)

I have a sugestion for attack C. cannons will fire from front to back one by one

I like it....maybe Orthanc will to.

Sword_Of_Geddon, I've noticed you require 2 more posts to be...

OVER 9000! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg)[pissed]

Ah, so many classic lines rolled up in that...

Goldflash, that caution sign, is the only thing that can stop the mighty tank-killer, the Spearman.

Ahem, well Attack C was orignally gonna involve a certain chained projectile;) , I'll bump that to optional Attack D then:D

How many attack does this ship have? http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g237/cometflash/hairrise.gif

Ahem, well Attack C was orignally gonna involve a certain chained projectile;) , I'll bump that to optional Attack D then:D

Hurrah! :D

IMO having a less regular cannon attack would be best for the attack C, though chain shot would be great as an optional attack.

I got sugestion for another attack :D Sailors from the ship would board the other one just like in the movies they would swing a rope to the other ship
PS: its unique no other ship has it yet...

Maybe cos its really alot of work to make that?

Yes, unforunately that's exactly the case, it'd be like making a whole new unit. Plus the people would be so tiny to be in scale it'd be hard to make it look good. Sorries.

I'm just thinking... will orthanc be able to make a human unit? :rolleyes:

Well, you`ve seen Aaglo`s Pov-Ray humans.. There are certain limitations..

Theres plenty of human creators, but only one sailing ship creator right now, leave Orthanc alone.

I'm just thinking... will orthanc be able to make a human unit? :rolleyes:

here is a Link (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=4492045#post4492045)

Wow, now I kind of glad Partizanac said what he said, that unit is fantastic^^. I gotta find a way top use it.

Sword more than half of Orthanc's requests are made by you, so shush! :p
Mine is very near! I just can't wait :mischief:

here is a Link (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=4492045#post4492045)

very funny! a link :lol: :lol: :lol:
perhaps orthanc will do a new link in "twilight princess" design :king:

, but more ships like this nice one would be better. :D

The Ship of the Line (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5576966) has finished sea trials and has been released upon the seas!

POV Ray is certainly capable of humanoids, though they tend to be in a cartoony or 'cell-shaded' style, due to the limits we have with applying custom textures over custom shapes, programs like 3DS Max can do that much better. Nonetheless, there's 2 human units and 1 dragon on the Orthanc to-do list, but for now, onto a very much boat-oriented unit, the Carrack!

Whazza da otha `umie oonit? `aydook iz one squishy, but wut about da otha? Iz it da top seekritt stuff at da end of da list?

Carrack! Yay! :bounce:

:yup: El top secreto.

PS: People that actually know Spanish (ie: NOT Orthanc) should probably cover their ears, or, er, eyes...

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads//sotl_AaO.jpg :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

never seen a cooler icon!i can't wait for your next unit!

Whazza da otha `umie oonit? `aydook iz one squishy, but wut about da otha? Iz it da top seekritt stuff at da end of da list?

Carrack! Yay! :bounce:

:yup: El top secreto.

PS: People that actually know Spanish (ie: NOT Orthanc) should probably cover their ears, or, er, eyes...

whaaaaaat????? :mad: :confused: :cry:
Somebody translate, I know its about a Hajduk... should I go and me a gun? or what?

The top secret ^^, that is what it meant.

My first language is Portuguese, then Spanish, then English, and now I'm trying Japanese :D. I also know some Italian.

I'm not that stupit!!! I think :confused:

I meant what is Storm up to? :lol:

Oh my bad, you say translate, I tough you meant what Orthanc said.:sad:

By the way Orthanc, is nothing wrong with your Spanish.

Whazza da otha `umie oonit? `aydook iz one squishy, but wut about da otha? Iz it da top seekritt stuff at da end of da list?

Ork-english translation:
Whats the other human unit? Hajduk is one (human), but what about the other? Is it the top secret thing at the end of your list?

Thank you taube87!

And I'll keep that in mind cometflash, next time I'm in Spain:mischief: .

To clear up the language barrier Partizanac, my response to Stormy's question in Ork-ish was "Yes, the top secret unit is humanoid.":D

aaaaahhhh, you had me worried back then! ;) guess I can put down me gun!

Yes, that's right, just put the gun down, look we even have chocolate, just back, away, from, the gun.

:D

Anywho, real point of this is to say the Carrack is in the yards! Time for some unwieldy medieval naval architecture!
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3857/p1cv4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Got the hull down, just needs some details (including cannons) before moving to the masts.

This unit was especially appropriate for me to start on June 20th, being the Portuguese Unique Unit, and the 20th is my mother's birthday, and she was born in Portugal.

:bday:

Cool, Hope your mom have a wonderful birthday. :bday:


I got some friends from Portugal(meet then online), my mom went to visit then a fill times. I hope one day I get the time to go there too.


I made a cake for you but the site did not want to show :cry:

I had made before in other sites, and it worked with either a [*pre][/pre], or the [quote] tag, but here none worked, I try PHP, it come out half right, but not good :cry:.

Ok the sun is coming up, and I did not go to bed yet, so I will leave it with a screen from the other site.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g237/cometflash/cake.jpg

Woah.. thats a cool cake :) And a cool ship you`re makin` Orthanc!

Orthanc likey cake!:D

Again, just checking the mast sizing before I put the sails and rigging up. Made a preview without the shipyard, cause as you can see in the one with it, the masts are nearly the same color and so become cloaking masts:crazyeye: :
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5104/p2uo0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/6135/p3qc6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

the speed at which you crank out these incredible boats is astounding...great looking ship that one...

:bday: for you today!

Another one ready for sea trials!
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4780/p4la9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Hope to start those tomorrow, and thanks again everyone for the birthday wishes!:)

1. Happy belated Birthday! :bday:
2. Thats is an awesome cake!
3. That is a very nice ship! You're ships are very detailed and realistic, nice job. :goodjob:

Is this the one you made for me? If so, is it any away to have the red cross in the sails?


http://www2.crb.ucp.pt/Historia/abced%C3%A1rio/bordo/Trabalho%20Final%20Expans%C3%A3o%20A%20B%20C%20dos %20Descobrimentos_ficheiros/image003.jpg

http://www.vidaslusofonas.pt/PACabral2.jpg

If you can't, its ok, I'm grateful enough that you toke the time to make the ship.

Its beautiful, Orthanc! Just... beautiful :goodjob:

The Asian Dragon is up next! :bounce:

Thanks Stormy. cometflash, take your pick of sail design arrangements:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/3991/p5axs8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6409/p5bzf8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/8300/p5cyk9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/643/p5dof8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Unfortunately the cross warps when applied to the Mizzen sail (the aft-most sail... the triangle thingy at the back:rolleyes: ) So I avoided putting it there. I might be able to fix that, but it'll take some tinkering.

EDIT: Sorry, the boat doesn't have an option that includes hydraulics.:crazyeye:

the triangle thingy at the back:rolleyes:
Thanks for the explanation! :goodjob:

:woohoo:The one in the top left, the one in the top left:bounce:

:thanx: so much for this.

:bowdown:

Will you release both versions?

hmmm put the cros on all sails :D

That would be the best^^. But then I would be asking to much for Orthanc, and I know he have other requests.

Cross on all sails (except the mizzen as explained) isn't too much work:
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1739/p5ecg7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Not sure yet Stormy, I may release a version with stripes too. Anywho, see how this 'all cross' version looks, I'll be animating soon.

Wow...thats very nice looking indeed...will both versions be released?

Cross on all sails (except the mizzen as explained) isn't too much work:
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/1739/p5ecg7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Not sure yet Stormy, I may release a version with stripes too. Anywho, see how this 'all cross' version looks, I'll be animating soon.

Thats fantastic, I'm in love with the ship(hehe), and you didn't even finish yet.

you sure there cant be a small cross on the last sail? I bet you could figure it how to put it there we all know your the master of this shipyard

i think it might look better without it.

I'd love to have one ship with crosses and one without, so I could use one of these as generic European and the other as Portuguese UU.

:) (Please, please...)

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa33/Goldflash/Nao.jpg

Goldflash, that pun is PAINFUL.

Well NAO you have it!

Carrack thread linky! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5609076)

And yes, 2 versions have been released.

Asian Dragon is next on the list (first, we draw an S, for snake, or, dragon), I'm going on vacation for the 1st week of July, might get some progress before then.

Thank you so very much for the Unit, can't wait to play with it.

So what's next? The Flying Dutchman, the Ironclad or the Frigate? Or even something else, like a Spanish Treasure Galleon? :)

Asian dragon

ship or normal asian dragon monster?

In Progress:
-Asian Dragon

Not a ship, a dragon :)

Well, a Drakken would be even nicer. ;)

http://www.theplatelady.com/figurines6/6740-viking-ship.jpg

Um.. ain`t the Firaxis Longboat one of those?

Nope but somebody made a Longboat that looks just like that :crazyeye:

ummm I think something like this is already in game. It looks like galley. You should check if Im wrong. anyway if your gona do more detailed version go ahead but think you should do some bigger ships

An Asian dragon is definitely needed. Can't complete my wuxia fantasy mod without it. ;) Maybe once you finish with the other stuff on your list, you could do a Kirin also. Of course, by then, it'd take you quite a while to get through that long list of yours. :p

Does anyone have a pic of the Asian Dragon?

Uh, didn't you say you were going to do the dragon from Zelda?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/17/Volvavia.jpg

I think its just a generic asian dragon

Awesome - that looks like a challenge

Maybe once you finish with the other stuff on your list, you could do a Kirin also.I strongly second that!

Back from vacation!

Has anyone else gone to Kentucky and not seen a single Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant?

Uh, didn't you say you were going to do the dragon from Zelda?

Right series, wrong dragon, though I'd love to have the one you showed (Volvagia, he rulez). Making a zelda dragon was mentioned in this thread, but if I remember (yes, too lazy to check the records) Stormy or someone just wanted a normal asian dragon. All three are useful/needed, but I'll be going with the generic asian dragon this time around.

Forgive my ignorance, what's a Kirin?

Finally, one of my earlier units was a Lodya, basically a viking boat more from the russian area, and I do believe, along with the Firaxis one, there are several other longboats out there already. Do some hunting, there's plenty in the shipyards (not just mine) already.

Kirin are what could be considered the East Asian version of the unicorn. They are mostly depicted as a mix of deer and dragon, but sometimes appear more like a deer-unicorn hybrid with a single horn.
http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/images/kirin.jpg

Back from vacation!

Has anyone else gone to Kentucky and not seen a single Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant?

It's Kitchen Fried Chicken now. Kentucky sued them for stereotyping or some other crap, ;)

Forgive my ignorance, what's a Kirin?Ogedei came up with a better illustration than I could find the other day. Tonight I found this well illustrated article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qilin) at Wikipedia. I always understood that Kirin could fly, similarly to the Asian dragons.

Hey Orthanc,
Thought I would post a quick request in here... feel free to ignore :)
We are getting close to a public beta release for LotM, and I was hoping to get some more flavor into the naval lines. Aaglo made a nice swan ship for the elves, but I was hoping we might be able to add an upgrade for them. An elven warship:
http://bfme2.heavengames.com/cpix/gameinfo/elvenwarship.jpg

Thanks!

Not that I'd mind another boat, it's just that aaglo did make other elven boats, which are very good and would probably serve your purposes well, examples:
High-Elf Dragonship (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81948)
High-Elf Eagleship (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86718)

But if you want something more closely related to the Swan ship I'll put her on the list.

And while I'm here, first, we draw an S, for snake, or, dragon...:D :
http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/1517/p1ik2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Needs a head, arms and legs before moving to animation.

Beautiful! excellent work! :goodjob:

Great start! :D

But if you want something more closely related to the Swan ship I'll put her on the list.
Thanks Orthanc! We are using Aaglo's elven boats, but have three full elf nations to populate... an upgrade to Aaglo's swanship would be so lovely :)

looks like some water snake maybe you should make a snake unit and dragon out of this

Well oriental dragons have always been very snake-like, but the head (which I'm currently working on) and limbs (once I get to em) change that. Here's what I've got:
http://img461.imageshack.us/img461/7039/p2pg6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Changed the preview civ-color because the red and green was making this look WAY to Christmasy. Just a few more head details left before I can get around to giving this guy a jaw:mischief: .

Looks amazing. :D

Dragons in Chinese mythology are often associated with the sky or rivers and seas, unlike Western fire-breathers. It is believed that they bring rain or storms so this particular unit could have a lightning attack or a water-based attack (although I'd favor a lightning attack). :)

Chinese dragons have four legs. Five-claw dragons, are representative of the emperor and commoners could only use the three-claw dragon representation. Five-claw dragons were believed to be exclusive only to the Chinese emperor (the Japanese emperors and the Korean kings were "permitted" only to use the 4-claw dragon, which is used to represent princes). However, the Koreans actually have a reprsentation of a seven-claw dragon in one of the Joseon palaces. :mischief:

WOW!! looks amaizing man :goodjob::thumbsup:

Bloody brilliant, Orthanc!

This is working out great Orthanc

How big do you plan to make the finished unit? One thing that I always found detracting (but also most challenging for unit makers) is how large they were in the game. I like the old dragons we have, but never really liked how they covered an entire city block.

If this unit were to be coiled during default and fidget, it would be smaller, but that might not be the look you're going for.

Size is always a good question, obviously this has to look bigger than a standard infantry, but at the same time infantry look as tall as sailing ships:crazyeye: . It'll definately be coiled to some extent, when I get to the animation stage I'll put up previews to work out these questions.

For now, the head is done, just got those legs to make. Each one will be identical in design, but to make them all capable of independent movement it'll require re-creating the code for each leg, meh. here's the finished head:
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9754/p3gx2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

One thing's certain, this thing has the largest number of moving parts of any of my creations, though Rex comes pretty close 2nd.

The head looks wery good Im gona have to find you something real hard to make it challenging for you since your real good

I have a few suggestions. I like my fantasy to have some realism in it, and I think of dragons as animals. It could be a myth creature, a summon, a god or something, but to me its an animal. It has to feed. Its going to have a hard time doing so with all those spikes on its jaws.. So I say either remove them, or make them "soft", like those "sensor hair" (dunno the right term) cats have.

Also I think the horns on his head and back should be bone colored, to make them easier to make out (especially the ones on the head) and the edges of the "segments" should stay civ-colored :)

Just my 2 cents. You`re doing a terrific job Orthanc!

PS - I like the lightning attack idea :)

Oh, and I`d like it to match Kinboat`s dragon (the bigger one) in size, and a smaller one(again, like Kinboat`s smaller one) can then be made via resizing. (or you can make 2 versions with Pov-Ray, whatever is easier)

Those aren't spikes. Chinese dragons have furry heads.

Well they look alot like spikes, all pointy like that. Bend them down a little, the ones around the mouth, soften them up thats what I mean.

Yeah, they are meant to be hairs. I can't bend them unless I make them sphere sweeps, which would increase rendering time about 10 fold, so I've tried rounding their ends off instead by widening their tips and adding a sphere at the end. I've switched the horns to bone color too, whoops, forgot the body spikes, I'll get on that:
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5733/p4bf4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Whatever works :) Thanks O!

I really like him, Ortho!

Thanks everyone! Well got the arms done, so it's animating time again! Here's the completed model:
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2157/p5aeu1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Sorry, couldn't resist trying out this pose!
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/6558/p5byl0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Looks awesome Orthanc, awesome! :thumbsup:

I will definitely vote for this uuuuuunit!!! :D:goodjob:

You've got to make an alternate civpedia icon with the circle pose. :D That is so cool. I love the model you've made for this, looking forward to the anims.

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!!!!!!111one!

But is it going to be that large? :wow:

Great work Orthanc

I think his legs are a little small, tho. I always think of Asian Dragons with slightly longers legs like this guy, with hairy elbows and larger claws -

http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/20540/Dragon.jpg

Great Dragon, does it have a "generic" name?

As to the water connection, in the SE Asian areas that were influenced by Hindu culture there's the Naga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naga_%28mythology%29), a river dragon, which this guy could definitely be used for, especially with a civ color in a blue shade.

One way or another this dragon rocks and I think you could use that second picture as a victory animation

This is one great dragon :)

Reminded me of an old chinese (i think) animation about a boy who was the son of a dragon.

How will the attack be? A ground-based attack or an aerial attack? Chinese dragons typically are depicted floating in the air or literally climbing clouds. :)

This is not a Chinese dragon, this is a Zelda dragon! (me think)

No. Orthanc said that this is an "Asian" dragon.

@Stormy: You should know by now that all my WIP previews are 256x256 sized :hammer:In-game size is undecided as of yet.

@rifleman: I lengthened the arms some, that picture you put up is one of my reference pictures already.

@HunterAnubis & Keroro: I'll see about using it as a victory, civilopedia will be easy to put in. Maybe for the victory he'll curl up, but have his head above his tail as opposed to swallowing it (as is the case in the classic ouroboros), then roar....

@Ogedei_the_Mad: I figure stat-wise this will be a ground unit, but his animations will be floating. Some fire-blowing, lightning spitting, and probably good ol' biting is in mind for attack options. He'll slither like a snake in the air for run, and just kinda float curled in some fanciful shape for default.

@Partizanac: As said, I'd love to do some Zelda dragons, 2 come to mind which would top the list, but alas, this is an Asian Dragon, though it could do well as a temporary Volvagia until I or someone else gets to him.

So which dragon it is? My niece keep asking me about it, "uncle was is the name of the Dragon?"... Please tell me, I need peace :lol:.

From the looks of it, it's a Shen-Long, a Chinese "spirit dragon" who is control of the weather. :D

If I'm not mistaken, this unit doesn't have five claws so it's not an Imperial dragon. ;)

The description of this unit is as follows:

A generic dragon based on Oriental ideas about the creature. It has three claws, like the Japanese dragons, cause I liked it better that way.

If you really need a name, Shen-Long is fine, but Wilbert is also as good as any.

Once my units are on your computer, the only thing I'd like is for people to not say they made the original graphics themselves (course I have absolutely ZERO resources to enforce this), otherwise you can do whatever you want with them, so call him whatever you want:D

The unit can also be used as a greek group scientific leader/ law maker ;)

It's not a blue dragon, but I'll be using it for the "Azure Dragon of the East" in my mod as one of the 4 guardian symbols. :D

I thought of a new attack maybe he could form that circle and roll over enemie :crazyeye:

@Orthanc - of course it is, silly me :blush:

Floating and snake movement sound great! :D

This looks fantastic!

Alright, animating has commenced, I've opted for 170x170 frame size, of course he doesn't fill that entire space, here's a default South-West WIP:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5590/p6mq4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

I think he should slither up and down in the moving animation.

I think he should be moving like a water up dpwn up down try watching some asian dragon moves. Ill try to find some but no promise I can find it

Perhaps the victory can have him run after its tail, forming a circle?
Like an ouroboros (although the ouroboros would be eating its tail)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g36/unseen666/ouroboros.jpg

I agree with Swoggy :)

That looks great! BTW, have you guys seen the Simpsons episode where they go to China, and a dragon offers Homer a wish if he gives him his peanuts(?) and he only gives him one, so the dragons end up singing and crying rainbows?

@odintheking: No, but I'd love to see that.

@Varwnos: This was in fact agreed upon already 12 posts before yours;)

@Everyone else: I had already rendered the run in the snamke slither as opposed to the wave slither, but I did them both in the SW direction, so see which one you really would prefer:
'Snake' (SNAAAAAKKKKEEE! Sorry, couldn't resist):
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5394/p7bsa4.gif (http://imageshack.us)
''The Wave':
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/7101/p7ata2.gif (http://imageshack.us)

EDIT: Before aaglo asks:

#declare al= 12.0;
#declare cl= 4;
#declare ac= clock*al;
#declare cc= (ac/cl - int(ac/cl));
#macro tb(p)
(3*p * cos((p/24-cc)*10*pi))
#end
;)

Both look really good!

The second is more dragon-like i think.

Looking great Orthanc

I think it would actually look better with a combination of both :p if you were to make it go to the side, and then go up - only with bigger waves.

I tend to prefer the wave, though I think it could be more wavey still personally.

Btw, Orthanc, can you also make a military leader version of it?
I think it would look quite interesting as one (a symbol of course ;) )

THe Wave is more graceful, just watch the tail!

Yes I like the wave also but it could be more pronounced.

The formula for making the wave is, awkward, this is about the only 'more pronounced' wave I can feasibly make with it, before it starts going completely berserk:
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2527/p7cfj7.gif (http://imageshack.us)
(yes, as in it gets even CRAZIER if I increase it further):

@rifleman: I tried that just to see how it would look, the combo of horizontal and vertical waves kinda counter-act eachother and not much seems to move.

@rifleman: I tried that just to see how it would look, the combo of horizontal and vertical waves kinda counter-act eachother and not much seems to move.

I was afraid of that, I figured it would be weird and require multiple sets of animation, or something else.

Your latest looks good, but is it necessary to keep the head stationary? I can see how that might be so, but I think it would look more realistic if it was moving with the wave.

That looks great! BTW, have you guys seen the Simpsons episode where they go to China, and a dragon offers Homer a wish if he gives him his peanuts(?) and he only gives him one, so the dragons end up singing and crying rainbows?

I remember that - nearly died laughing when the dragon sings "The man who made a dragon cry."

@ Orthanc, This unit looks really amazing and it's so original. I'm really looking forward to the final product.;)

The stationary head bothered me also. But the unit is so amazing!

I think the wave is backwards. It looks like the tail is moving up and down and sending the waves forwards to the head. It should be the other way around: the head should be moving up and down, and the waves go back to the tail. I think I would make the waves less pronounced, too.

[EDIT] Actually, come to think of it, either make the waves less pronounced, or have more frames of animation so it's a bit smoother.

Plot said it all :)

My opinion is that he should move his head to but do something about his back it looks likes hes well Fu..... something

Alrighty, toned the waves back down to something, normal, got the head moving, how's it nowz:
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6048/p7dxm6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

@HunterAnubis: The arms are attached to the body, and so can't not move with it, so I just folded them in some.

I'd say its perfect! it looks strange cause he's not moving. But that animation in movement will be IMO amazing!!! :goodjob:

Hmm... perhaps a few more frames to smoothen it all out :) ?

Wow, thanks for the suggestion Quinzy, I've used more than 12 frames before, but look at how different a 14 frame render looks!:
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7774/p7ete3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

:D Awesome! So smooth!

Catching up on the posts, I was about to suggest he slow down; looks like a couple of extra frames took care of that. Can't wait to see some of the other animations!

But now he's too slow, you made it with 15 sec frame delay...

Try putting 5 sec frame delay.

Just a thought: maybe this really slow wiggle, but side to side, for the fidget; and Partizanac's suggestion for the run.

Another light bulb (maybe not lit): For the fortify could he be partially obscured by a small cloud?

Actually the frame rate of these two previews:
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6048/p7dxm6.gif (http://imageshack.us)http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7774/p7ete3.gif (http://imageshack.us)
Is exactly the same, the difference is number of frames, because POV Ray was given 2 more frames to work with in the 14 frame render, each frame contained less change than it's equivalent in the 12 frame render. But time between each frame change is identical.

@Blue Monkey: I was wondering what to do for the fidget, and I think some cloud involvement would do the fortify well.

The latest one is perfect :) Thanks for doing this Orthanc :thanx:

http://i20.servimg.com/u/f20/09/00/99/87/p7ete310.gif

Here's the 5 sec delay :rolleyes:

I have to admit this looks better :)

Adding the extra frames makes it look much better. Although the movement size is the same it appears more pronounced and smoother.

Now it looks great only thing that bothers me is the tail maybe it shouldnt move that much looks strange to me. Its like waving hand but rest of the body is great so I sugest to decrese tails moving rate (just dont put it so high and low)

Not nearly enough lasers and space whales and explode gophers.

It's amazing, Orthanc !

Looks fantastic. A complex motion like that, which can be confusing to the eye, really does benefit from getting some extra frames of animation (perhaps with extra speed too, to counterbalance).

I sped up the frame rate a biut for the run, won't put up a preview since aside from the frame-rate change it's the same thing, you'll see it when this is all done.;)

@HunterAnubis: Again, with the tail, this is an issue with the fact that the entire body before it is going through a 'propogating wave'. The tail is attached, and so effected, by every single moving segment before it, which happens to be all of them, trust me what it's doing now is alot smoother than what it was doing before, sorry, there's just no way to stop the tail from moving like that.

@Goldflash: "Nuke the Whales?" "Gotta nuke something."

And as suggested by Blue Monkey, our Fortify with clouds:
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7219/p8avr5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

My God, i think he'll have a good chance to be "Unit of the Year".

I agree! Its wonderful! A big thanks to Blue_Monkey for suggesting it and to Orthanc for making it! I`m so glad I requested this oonit! :D

Believe it or not, this unit will end up in the Bharata mod (if I ever get to making it). One of the culture groups is going to be "Mythologicals" (named after a category of Bollywood movie); within that group is going to a Civ called Shambhala, featuring units, etc. from Tibetan and Buddhist/Bon/Taoist folklore. I plan to use him as one of the powerful, late-game units.

Well then, I`m guessing you`d need a good Rakshasa unit, eh? ;)

http://www.maps4heroes.com/heroes5/pictures/academy/6.jpg

I know its not the most traditional concept art of one, but I think its cool :cool:

Holy crap! I absolutely love those clouds! And that run animation! And everything about this unit, too.

Well then, I`m guessing you`d need a good Rakshasa unit, eh? ;)

http://www.maps4heroes.com/heroes5/pictures/academy/6.jpg

I know its not the most traditional concept art of one, but I think its cool :cool:Holy Cr*p! That's an awesome image. I grabbed it; I followed the link to find out where you got it. The Raksasas are going to be their own civ, by the way; I could use a lot of this kind of unit!

That fortify looks really good. This is really turning into quite an original and interesting unit.

amazing!!!! Orthanc, dude, you have to enter this unit in to competition!

Its awesome :goodjob:

amazing!!!! Orthanc, dude, you have to enter this unit in to competition!

Its awesome :goodjob:
Ctrl-C
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Agreed. :thumbsup:

@Bluemofia: Those two button combo's (along with Ctrl-X, and the OMNIPOTENT Ctrl-Z) have done for computers what paper did for books.

Tomorrow I have to go and paint my brother's house, and other stuff, I'll be away just a few days, so i though I'd leave you with an AttackA preview. Might fit in AttackB tomorrow, but just in case not:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9669/p9xm3.gif (http://imageshack.us)

I've got Rex in for July, if I don't make something even better before end of August I'll put this guy in for sure. Thanks everyone!:D

Well, I think that just about wraps up the Unit of the Month for the next two months, then...

Orthanc can you also make a military leader animation for it?
I suppose it will not be that many more frames, and i would like to use it as a symbol of power.

Holy Cr*p! That's an awesome image. I grabbed it; I followed the link to find out where you got it. The Raksasas are going to be their own civ, by the way; I could use a lot of this kind of unit!
In that case you should need all 3 of them. :)

The basic one is the Rakshasa Rani:
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes5/images/creature-shots/Academy/rakshasa.jpg
The upgraded one is the Rakshasa Raja which Stormy posted.
The alternative upgrade is the Rakshasa Kshatri.
http://www.heroesofmightandmagic.com/heroes5/451/addon2/H5_ToE_Academy_6.jpg
If you want i can get you bigger pics of the first 2. With descriptions/abilities and all that. :D

Woo! The attack animation is great! I love it! Schwoooooom RAYS OF DEATH!

The upgraded one is the Rakshasa Raja which Stormy posted ...If you want i can get you bigger pics of the first 2. With descriptions/abilities and all that. :DI especially like the Rakshasa Raja (blue lion looking one). Post what you can on all of them, of course. Unit creations or conversions by any of our great unit creators would be awesome.

Maybe we should move this discussion to the Bharata thread? ;)

Orthanc, this is looking incredible!

Man, this dragon is way better than Kinboat's dragons. PUT TOGETHER!

Maybe we should move this discussion to the Bharata thread? ;)Yes, please!

Man, this dragon is way better than Kinboat's dragons. PUT TOGETHER!

I don't know if I'd say that - Kinboat's dragons are very nicely done and beautifully animated. I think Orthanc's unit looks more imaginative. But a Chinese dragon is so wildly different from a western one that they aren't really comparable anyway.

That is awesome, maybe that could be a monster for the godzilla scenario

Orthanc!
You're doing a dragon! COOL!

I'm not sure if you've stuck with the "spiky hair in the head" (uh... looks like it's just woken up with a terrible hangover or something...)
Have you thought of using blobs as the "individual hair curls"? That's what I've done when trying to make hairy things. And so far they have worked so-and-so.

But anyways, that dragon is looking awesome :thumbsup:. Is this the first living thing you've done?
... damn, what do I need to do to beat that...?

It could work for an anime dragon; just about everything in anime has somewhat "spiky" hair. :D

@ aaglo... you been drinking or something? What about Link? Or that Zelda Orc creature? Orthanc knows his stuff with the living thigs :)

I noticed your accepting requests now becose your list got some new things on the end maybe you could do this http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/110011/An_Ancient_City_Ship.jpg
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/110011/Oriarmada.jpg
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/110011/Wraith_Hive-Ship_--_Stargate_Atlantis.jpg from top (small thing is another ship dont mind that )
http://forums.civfanatics.com/uploads/110011/Hive_scale.jpg
It cant be helped I like big things

Someone already made Atlantis. You interested in stargate?

realy? I went over all units and I didnt find it. Yes Im bit intrested in it ok bit more. I like those ships thats all I gess.
Could you give me a link for atlantis?