On one of my many trips into the realm of literature, I discovered a piece over the eleven wonders of the ancient world. Now, as I've always heard of seven... this caught my notice. Taking a look at the list... the first seven were the usuals:

Great Pyramid of Giza
Hanging Gardens of Babylon
Statue of Zeus at Olympia
Temple of Artemis at Ephesus
Mausoleum of Maussollos at Halicarnassus
Colossus of Rhodes
Lighthouse of Alexandria

Now, what caught my attention were the next 4 (which my explain the number eleven.. go figure). Anyway, they were the following:

Abu Simbel Temple in Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Simbel)
Moai Statues at Rapa Nui (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moai)
Borobudor Temple at Indonesia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borobudur)
Throne Hall of Persepolis at Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apadana)

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Anyway, shortening this up. Anyone think these last four "Wonders" belong on the list?

Mmmppph. I'd say they don't belong to the 7 wonders of the world list :)
More seriously, they are not on the list made by that Greek historian whose name I am just forgetting right now how embarassing.

Well the Moai statues weren't made until about 1000 AD, so I wouldn't consider them ancient. Old, yes, but not ancient as in the ancient world we're talking about.

And anyway, this was a compiled list by some Greek, he wouldn't have known about most of these; especially the Moai statues and Borobudor temple.

Mmmppph. I'd say they don't belong to the 7 wonders of the world list :)
More seriously, they are not on the list made by that Greek historian whose name I am just forgetting right now how embarassing.

Two of these four weren't rediscovered untill the late 1800s (one being buried by dust, the other by volcanic ash). The other is located on a remote island off the coast of chile, and the fourth was destroyed by Alexander the Great.

then why not add
chiken Itza,
pyramid of the Sun,
GReat Wall,
etc.
Their are SEVEn no more no less

Modern revisionism by those obsessed by political correctness.

since the guy that greek historian guy compiled his list was greek, most of the stuff on the list are from greece, sure

but half the stuff on his top 7 wonders list, i havent even heard about, im not a history buff...

if you ask me the great wall of china should be in that list, that and those 3 egyptian pyramids, and the rest of the stuff shouldnt

there you go, thats my top 2 list

1.great wall of china
2.pyramids in egypt

the rest of it didnt sound too wonderfull

I will never accept that there were more wonders of the Ancient world then the most common seven. ;)

And this should be in World History.

Angkor Wat?
Great Wall?
Forbidden Palace?

And so forth...

i heard the pink and white terraces from new were

Rapa Nui
Don't use that culturally correct naming stuff. It is and always will be called Easter Island.

What about the Temple in Jerusalem, that was a specatular building?

Does Hampi count or is it no ancient enough?

While these aren't all ancient, here is a list of 13 of them, though the name would imply 7.

http://www.sevenwondersworld.com/wonders_of_world_great_wall_of_china.html

Wait, why do they list the leaning tower? Its not a wonder, its a accident that is doomed to eventual collapse. (Not sure I agree with the Eiffel Tower either, but atleast its claim to fame wasn't being messed up)

The Artemis temple in Ephesos is fun. I've been there and the place is actually nothing more than a lawn on which they rebuilt a sole pillar... ;)

mitsho

EDIT: Some may be interested in this page:Vote on the 7 new wonders ofthe world (http://cms.n7w.com/)!

Here's an even longer list of 'wonders' to visit. Don't know who makes these lists, but it would be cool to visit all 57 of these. The person who compiled this has definately done some traveling. Guess I need to wait till I retire, I'm only at 18 of the ones on his list. Great Wall Marathon next May should yield one more. :)

http://www.raphaelk.co.uk/main/worldwonders.htm

Don't see a reason to rename or relist the Wonders of the Ancient World. It is what it is, we know them as such. It doesn't diminish anything from the other impressive structures found elsewhere at the same or different ages.

Aw, just keep piling them on. That way, everyone's happy. :)

"The 57 Wonders of the World". Sounds good to me. :goodjob: It's already the way I've modded my Civ game anyway. And in my game they're culture-specific and culture-restricted too.

Bah, there are 7 ancient wonders. thats what everyone knows, adding other impotant and spectacular things to the list may please some, but its pointless.
Also, i would consier 'ancient' to be made in BC. Something made 1000 years ago isnt ancient yet, its just 'really old'.

Don't use that culturally correct naming stuff. It is and always will be called Easter Island.

And don't say Indonesia, it is really Netherlands East Indies! ;)

HERODOTE ! The guy's name is Herodote ! Aahahahaha. I feel better now.

Moved to History.

Aw, just keep piling them on. That way, everyone's happy. :)


lol

Wonder of ancient world number 321762 - First dildo discovered
(That thread on whether stone object was in fact a dildo)

Going back to the original question on whether the other four wonders desrve to be on the list. The answer is no. The Throne Room of Persepolis (which by all accounts was the most impressive building in the world for those 150 years in which it stood) was probably overlooked because Herodotus of Halicarnassus probably couldn't enter there. The Easter Island heads are not ancient. Abu Simbel is not on par with any of them. And Borobudor isn't ancient either.

It's Herodotus' list. Full dues to him. But we know more today and I'd certainly draw up a longer list.

Not Herodotus, who died before some of them were constructed, but Antipater of Sidon.

Wait, why do they list the leaning tower? Its not a wonder, its a accident that is doomed to eventual collapse.

You've obviously never been to Pisa. I know it is mainly noted for the leaning tower, but the Piazza di Miracoli would count as a wonder of the world in my book even if the tower wasn't leaning.

Actually there were several ancient Greek lists of the Seven Wonders of the World. Many of the things listed were duplicated of course, but there never was a single generally accepted list.

The Egyptian Labyrinth for instance made the list at times – that's the temple complex surrounding Amenhotep the III's pyramid. Bunch of rubble these days. I've been there. The human bones and scraps of mummy wrapping strewn around the site did make for a peculiar... ambience... though.

Here's an even longer list of 'wonders' to visit. Don't know who makes these lists, but it would be cool to visit all 57 of these. The person who compiled this has definately done some traveling. Guess I need to wait till I retire, I'm only at 18 of the ones on his list. Great Wall Marathon next May should yield one more. :)

http://www.raphaelk.co.uk/main/worldwonders.htm

I notice that it describes Stonehenge as "medieval". That's a rather radical theory- worthy of Garry Denke, in fact.

well, I think it describes when a certian thing was considered a wonder (in which case, the thing is still erroneous) as its a certianty that Romans didnt give a spearshaft about the damned thing, after they were sure all the druids who went about using it were driven off.

Actually there were several ancient Greek lists of the Seven Wonders of the World. Many of the things listed were duplicated of course, but there never was a single generally accepted list.

The Egyptian Labyrinth for instance made the list at times – that's the temple complex surrounding Amenhotep the III's pyramid. Bunch of rubble these days. I've been there. The human bones and scraps of mummy wrapping strewn around the site did make for a peculiar... ambience... though.

From what I've understood, I agree. As far as I know there are/were 5 commonly accepted wonders and 4 disputed one. I'll have to check my sources on two of the disputed ones but the other two I know by heart:
The hanging gardens of Babylon/the golden walls of Babylon. Obvious the gardens reached further fame than the golden walls, but both were strong contenders a for the slot wonder #6.

I'll check up on which two wonders battled for #7.

I notice that it describes Stonehenge as "medieval". That's a rather radical theory- worthy of Garry Denke, in fact.

Watch out! If you say his name too loud you'll summon him!

I'm not sure about putting the Northern Lights on the list, primarily because the Southern Lights are missed out. I've seen the Southern Lights and they weren't all that amazing (though still striking) - but perhaps they were having an off night. Also, I don't know why Krakatoa Island is marked as N/A, as it's perfectly possible to go there (not that there's all that much left of it, admittedly). And why the North Sea Protection Works is considered a Modern Wonder while the Eiffel Tower is a *forgotten* Modern Wonder...

Oh, and the Channel Tunnel...?

I think that the Colosseum (circus) of Rome would have qualified also as one of the ancient 7 wonders too.

Many large temples didnt qualify, like some in Sicily, and the Parthenon, although the Parthenon is slighly smaller i think than the bigger ones. The temple of Artemis though probably was the biggest of all the ancient greek temples.

I think that the Colosseum (circus) of Rome would have qualified also as one of the ancient 7 wonders too.

Tough the coloseum was/is a remarkable structure, it was build much later than any of the 9 wonders of the world (I don't have the date in my head, but well into the years AD)

thought you guys might want to see this:

The 9 wonders of the world

1. The Temple of Artemis in Efesos
2. Fidias Statue of Zeus in Olympia
3. The Pyramids of Egypt
4. King Mausollos Mausoleum in Halikarnassos
5. The Collosal Statue of Helios the Sun God on Rhodes
6. Semiramis Hanging Gardens
7. The Great Lighthouse on Faros
8. The Golden Walls of Babylon
9. King Kyros Golden Palace.

Usually most list the first five and then either 6 and 7 or 8 and 9. So a list would look something like this:


1. The Temple of Artemis in Efesos
2. Fidias Statue of Zeus in Olympia
3. The Pyramids of Egypt
4. King Mausollos Mausoleum in Halikarnassos
5. The Collosal Statue of Helios the Sun God on Rhodes
6. Semiramis Hanging Gardens/The Golden Walls of Babylon
7. The Great Lighthouse on Faros/King Kyros Golden Palace.

Tough the coloseum was/is a remarkable structure, it was build much later than any of the 9 wonders of the world (I don't have the date in my head, but well into the years AD)

It's still ancient, though. Antiquity doesn't stop at AD 1. It's normal to regard approximately the first to the fifth centuries AD as late antiquity.

I know that, but I interpreted the statement to say that the Coloseum could have qualified towards the list of 7 (or 9, or whatever) wonders of the world, that were written by Herodotus, et al, or who ever, even though it was built long after the peak and decline of Greek civilization (in the general sense, naturally since greece and anatolia were important greek parts of the Roman empire).

I notice that it describes Stonehenge as "medieval". That's a rather radical theory- worthy of Garry Denke, in fact.

Some almanac had the Great Wall of China as one of the 7 wonders of the medieval world as well. The whole thing was finished by 220 AD for sure, besides modern patchups. I need to find that almanac...

Actually, the great wall as we know it was built after the middle ages had come and gone. It was more a series of isolated fortresses than a wall in AD220.