Once I have there game in hand *and* confirm it works on my machine, I will be starting 2 games. Sign up requirements will be simply game *installed* and working.

The following tactics are PROHIBITED:

At the current time the game is to new to declare anything an exploit. At some point I expect for there too be a list of tactics not allowed in the LK series.



Standard LK house rules:
1) Automation of any kind is strongly discouraged until the game is known better.

2) Our reputation is golden - please respect it.

Hi Lee. Glad to see you're still here and churning our SG's.

There are only 4 ceartianties in life. Death, Taxes, Ramen Noodles 4 for a buck, and LK having about 4 active SG's at any point in time.

I'll be looking forward to following your Civ4 SG but probably only as a lurker for a while.

Mabe when you're ready for LK51, the Resourceless Persians I'll join :p

-Maniac

Mabe when you're ready for LK51, the Resourceless Persians I'll join :p

-Maniac

Well LK51 was already done as Civ=America, Emperor, with nothing special.

Next up is LK108 as the first done with Civ4.

I just picked an arbitrary # (couldn't remember what the # was for that particular game and was too lazy to look).

I just assumed you'd start over at #1. See what assuming gets you :(

Edit: OK, I went to look up the # to refresh your memory, but it seems like the forum doesn't go back that far anmore?? It's probably for the best anway :lol:

I just assumed you'd start over at #1.

Yep. I'm too lazy to do anything else for RB. We have several series, and I forget how many games.

"How many SGs have you run for Civ4?" ... "Uh, I don't know. Whatever is the current number minus all these other numbers." :eek:

I was going to sign up for LK7 just for old time's sake, but now I'll have to figure out a new plan. :lol:


- Sirian

Well, she's still not here. She must be buying 1/2 of Wal-Mart?!

So I found the archives. When you're ready for LK 44 - all those other games, let me know. Maybe this time we could have somone mod out ALL the worlds resources so we wont be the only ones that don't have any though!

Honestly, my biggest regret for that game was that it ended before we could see that we also had no oil, aluminum, or uranium....

Jeez, I hope my gf comes back soon or I'm liable to downlaod the start file and play it out normally just so I can satisfy myself that we didn't have them.

Clearly, when on vacation I DO have too much time on my hands...

-Maniac

PS - @ Sirian - Conversely, I assumed RB would just continue with #51 (being that Civ 3 stoped a while back at #50.... almost seemed too convenient.

It's good to be unpredictable. :)

Out with the old, in with the new, at RB. I also wanted to be as welcoming as possible to new arrivals. There are bound to be a lot of new faces showing up, and so it's a bit of a psychological thing, that the new folks won't have those big numbers staring them in the face.

The big numbers are also a psychological thing, and I can understand why Lee would want to keep his going, since he got the number up so high. All those games, you don't WANT people to forget them! :) RB games, even the Epics, were sponsored by many different folks, so it is easier to move on.


By the way, Lee... You won't need Rule #2 any more. :) Some problems and issues are behind us now, for keeps.


- Sirian

I'm back. Haven't bought the game yet (it's only 7:30am here in Scottsdale), but I fully expect to have it installed later today, pending favorable feedback on the forums here (I take game reviews with a pinch of salt). Looking forward to some succession games with the crowd here!

By the way, Lee... You won't need Rule #2 any more. :) Some problems and issues are behind us now, for keeps.
Since I you where heavily involved in testing I will remove that rule for now.

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Revised LK series rules

The following tactics are PROHIBITED:

At the current time the game is to new to declare anything an exploit. At some point I expect for there too be a list of tactics not allowed in the LK series.


Standard LK house rules:
1) Automation of any kind is strongly discouraged until the game is known better.

Edit: OK, I went to look up the # to refresh your memory, but it seems like the forum doesn't go back that far anmore?? It's probably for the best anway :lol:

Well Succession game LK1 - The glorious Persians was a stealth game. I hadn't even decided to number them in the thread title at that point. LK4 started me with actually putting numbers in the thread title. ;)


I suggest you look up http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=10192

My status has been upgraded to Shipped. :dance:

I get to install tomorrow and find out if I handle hardware T&L, the only question mark with my system.

That's an interesting read. My how times and our understanding of how to play the game changed with it. For the record, here is the game to which I was refering.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=48908

My place in infamy was assured by being part of the first ever loss in the LK series. :( At some point, we need to avenge that one...

LK108 and LK109 are starting.

Signup requirements are simple: Civ4 installed and working.

I will continue the tradition from Civ3 of 5 players per game. It will still be 10 turns each, and please make sure you check the victory screen to end your round with a turn ending in zero.


The settings are Pangaea with everything else random.

The first few games will be at warlord with the intention to up the level once people have a decent feel for the game.

:hmm: I guess not to many people got the game today.


This is really a different game. I can walk it an AI city with open borders.

I'll give a LK game a try. CivIV is up and working fine. Have you decided on any victory conditions yet? Or is these more learning?

I'll give a LK game a try. CivIV is up and working fine. Have you decided on any victory conditions yet? Or is these more learning?
Just win baby!



LK108:
LKendter
Methos

Sign me up for one, LK.:D

My first game is with England, and another SG with Japan, so I don't want to be either of those, but anyone else it fine.

Also, are map sizes random? I don't think I'm ready for a big one yet.

After playing the game some more, Civ 4 seems really good for 5CC.

MP, make sure not to drop out again halfway through...though I understand that you are all fired up for Civ4....sorry LK, I can't sign up for quite some time, this part of the world has to wait a while longer for the game :(

Rat, I'm gonna *limit* myself to 2 games so it never should be overwhelming. I was playing too many games plus both GOTMs and it went bad for awhile. I'm glad that Rat7 and Gr8 are still doing very well.

Also, are map sizes random? I don't think I'm ready for a big one yet.
Map will be standard size. That is the only other set parameter.



LK108:
LKendter
Methos
MeteorPunch (prefer to avoid England and Japan)


This is starting slower that I expected. I wonder if the sheer number of posts in the tech support forum are part of the reason.

I think you are probably right about that Lee. ATI cards are probably the most common cards, and it seems like a lot of people with them are having unforseen problems. There are probably a good deal of people who dont have the game yet also.

- Maniac

Well I hope the ATI fix gets more people running the game. I picked a lower level to get some early exploring the game SGs going.

I mistakenly thought I would have 2 games running already.

I think it will. Too bad it didn't fix my gf's comp for some reason. Oh well.

If you are still looking for people when I get back home and get my new comp from CDW, I'll probably join one since the RB2 games will probably be well underway. Don't wait on me though. I might have the comp sunday, or it could be like the 10th X_X. Probably closer to the former but....

Annother thing probably holding things up is that people probably want to at least play half a solo game first rather than do something horribly wrong in an SG. I'm willing to bet that by Sunday, there will be a lot more people looking for an SG.

Can I play?

Can I play?

I noticed your from Finland. Do you actually have the game installed and working?

Go ahead and sign me up. No preferences as to which civ we play.

LK108:
LKendter
Methos
MeteorPunch (prefer to avoid England and Japan)
eotinb


Remember: You must have Civ4 already installed and working.

I am surprised I haven't gotten many familiar faces.

I am surprised I haven't gotten many familiar faces.A lot of the regulars haven't got it or just got it today.

Sign me up, lee!

I would like to try one of these too, my game is installed and working!!


If you could put me near the end of a rotation, it will be mid week before i am ready. This weekend and the first part of next week are filling fast.

LK108:
LKendter
Methos
MeteorPunch (prefer to avoid England and Japan)
eotinb
DeceasedHorse

I will get this one started.

LK109:
LKendter
Ragnoff

After LK109 there will be a delay before more games. Once these two give me a better game feel I may be heading up a level. I have no idea how my 3CC will end, but warlord may be turning out to easy.

Of course, I did get stuck with a 3CC without planning to.

Apologies LK for the thread jack but my laptop has a 32mb video card and is not T&L compatable. IIRC you had/have the same problem. Does your laptop run civ4? thanx in advance.

I'm ready to start anytime. I, like you, we're expecting SG's to kick off within the first day or two. I'm already in 3 CivIV SG's and none of them have started.

Apologies LK for the thread jack but my laptop has a 32mb video card and is not T&L compatable. IIRC you had/have the same problem. Does your laptop run civ4? thanx in advance.

I haven't even tried to install the game on my ancient dell garbage top. I have a new machine on order as I will be back working on the road. I hope the sony I ordered that arrives next week won't have a problem.

I'm ready to start anytime. I, like you, we're expecting SG's to kick off within the first day or two. I'm already in 3 CivIV SG's and none of them have started.


Well you better take a look at the LK108 thread - you have moves to do!

Still looking for 3 more for LK109. If it doesn't fill in the next couple of days I plan to cancel the opening. If that happens I will try again in a couple of weeks hoping more people have the game running.

LK109 is going once...

Well I found my first Civ4 disapointment - you can still get free settlers. :(
Getting one early effectively drops the game a level.

only on the easier difficulty levels
(warlord and easier according to manual, pg 167)

only on the easier difficulty levels
(warlord and easier according to manual, pg 167)

You didn't think we'd let the game out the door like that, right?

The free settlers are for the lower difficulty levels only. Could be an issue if playing AWW (Always War Warlord -- DON'T LAUGH!) but otherwise a nonissue.


- Sirian

LK, yes, it arrived to the stores 28th october.

LK109:
LKendter
Ragnoff
Zavior


OK - back for the moment, but will close if I don't get more ASAP.

Signing in to this thread. I will join a game once I have settled down in my new home in December. Civ access is too unregularly till then.

LK109:
Going once...

Sign me up!

My first succession game, so if you dont mind a virgin on the team I would love to be a part of it.

LK109:
LKendter
Ragnoff
Zavior
Lord Genghis

OK - back for the moment, but will close if I don't get the 5th player ASAP.

Well, I think Warlord will be pretty easy, but I have enough to learn that it won't be a waste. My Civ3 games both look like they may end in 2 rotations, so I think I would like to join.

LK109:
LKendter
Ragnoff
Zavior
Lord Genghis
Greebley


This will most likely be the last warlord game. I plan to wait a couple of weeks before starting more, and I expect I will probably go up a level.

Still have a slot free in one of your games? Would really like to get into a SG.

Rince

There are no openings at this game. I am waiting at least a couple of weeks before starting LK110.

Another debate coming up is map size. It seems "standard" plays a lot smaller then before. I am not use to playing games with just a handfull of cities.

Ya, the maps do seem a bit small. I wouldn't mind trying larger.

I agree.

We are all new to Civ 4 so a larger map will give us more of an opportunity to have a look at how everything works.

Does one need to be of a certain caliber to join in on one of these? I used to play civIII quite a bit but was never very good. I just got IV yesterday and would really like to get into SG's.

LK108 / 109 had no signup requirements.
I haven't decided on LK110 yet. Each person that runs a SG will have there own rules.

Subscribing to thread to watch for open position in LK110...

I am happy to report I have the rare laptop that runs Civ4.
I will be working out of town starting Nov 7, but there will be no problem keeping SGs going.
My only problem is a little bit of slowness at times.

For consideration of future games, especially given the last few AW + 20k games you had, I think an LK culture SG would be really great. Frankly, I don't really understand how one can get three 50k cities without massive Great Artist spamming. An SG that explores the strategies of this challenging culture goal would be very valuable and entertaining.

The following tactics are PROHIBITED:

At the current time the game is to new to declare anything an exploit. At some point I expect for there too be a list of tactics not allowed in the LK series.



Standard LK house rules:
1) Automation of any kind is strongly discouraged until the game is known better.


2) Please load the game while running civ. If you load by clicking the game you rename the leader. The leader name becomes part of the save, so I want to keep LK### as the leader name. I don't want to defeat a very useful feature.
If you do accidentally load by double clicking the save, then please use the Alt-D feature for civ details and rename the leader by the LK### value.

Well I have learned another piece of MM nonsense that is gone. Free techs such as from the Oracle don't finish your current tech, but complete a new tech with 0 beakers. The timing game for free techs is gone. :)

Free techs such as from the Oracle don't finish your current tech, but complete a new tech with 0 beakers.

Not necessarily. They don't always complete the tech. Sometimes it completes a good amount of beakers towards a tech. Which IMO is still really good.

Edit: Note: There are other instances besides just the Oracle that grant a tech or beakers towards it. I mistakenly thought you were talking about these instances, rather than just the Oracle.

For consideration of future games, especially given the last few AW + 20k games you had, I think an LK culture SG would be really great. Frankly, I don't really understand how one can get three 50k cities without massive Great Artist spamming. An SG that explores the strategies of this challenging culture goal would be very valuable and entertaining.


I just finished my first Civ4 game and won with culture. I did end up doing Great Artist spamming for one of the three towns, but London and York obtained the 50k mark on its own without any Culture Bombs. And I know I didn't run as well as I could. I didn't put any into my culture slider until late and I didn't use religion well at all. I think when strategies are better understood it will be a very realistic win condition to meet.

And cultural assimilation in Civ4 is so much more fulfilling than Civ3 :)

For your exploits list, you may want to check out this thread: (the top 'bug' in particular)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=138058

Spiritual+Financial (that would be Mali) can generate some sick culture via cottage cheese+culture slider+multiple cathedrals (+50% culture each). My high so far is 1215 culture per turn by the mid-1900's, and that city used no great artists for either bombs or super specialists. The techs for doing this are available relatively early, so an 1800's or earlier culture win should be doable.

I would just like to register my interest in LK110 for when it rolls around :).

For your exploits list, you may want to check out this thread: (the top 'bug' in particular)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=138058

Ya, the top bug is clearly an exploit/bug. I would hope that anyone playing an SG would know that and not use it in any game.

I just started playing Civ4 today. It has some very interesting changes. A lot of it feels like RaR.

LK, can I book a hot seat fot your next game, I have Civ4 up and running and even though my computer isn't that great, it works so far (cross fingers)

The following tactics are PROHIBITED:

1) The diplomatic demand exploit. You can demand a ton of stuff from a civ, ask for a counter-offer and get everything you want.


Standard LK house rules:
1) Automation of any kind is strongly discouraged until the game is known better.


2) Please load the game while running civ. If you load by clicking the game you rename the leader. The leader name becomes part of the save, so I want to keep LK### as the leader name. I don't want to defeat a very useful feature.
If you do accidentally load by double clicking the save, then please use the Alt-D feature for civ details and rename the leader by the LK### value.

HELP!
I saw something about running in windowed mode, and I can't find it again. With playing in SGs dealing with the current alt-tab speed is just to painful.

HELP!
I saw something about running in windowed mode, and I can't find it again. With playing in SGs dealing with the current alt-tab speed is just to painful.

Take out a sheet of paper and record your turns there before transferring it to a post. I used to do that when my computer could barely handle Civ 3.

HELP!
I saw something about running in windowed mode, and I can't find it again. With playing in SGs dealing with the current alt-tab speed is just to painful.It's in the Civ4Config file.

Take out a sheet of paper and record your turns there before transferring it to a post. I used to do that when my computer could barely handle Civ 3.not really a good way,
change the ini file in your folder (where the saves are located as well)
now change this:

; Allow Mouse Scrolling in Windowed mode
MouseScrolling = 1

(this is to enable scrolling with the mouse)

; Specify whether to play in fullscreen mode 0/1/ask
FullScreen = ask

(is you put ask everytime you start Civ4 it will ask you whether you want fullscreen or windowed mode)

Now taking signups for LK110.

I am sticking with random civs for now. I am uping the level to warlord +1 (noble?).

Signup requirements:
Civ4 *working* and have played some turns.

ok, LK if you take me I am in

I've always wanted to play in the famous LK series. I'll be in if you'll have me!

Now taking signups for LK110.

I am sticking with random civs for now. I am uping the level to warlord +1 (noble?).

Signup requirements:
Civ4 *working* and have played some turns.


Signed up:
LKendter
ThERat
pindicator

I would like to sign up as well. Civ 4 been behaving :)

Signed up:
LKendter
ThERat
pindicator
Double Stack

Just one more needed to fill this.

Well I had such a great time with ThERat and pindicator in Rat07, why not join my first LK series game (after being a long time reader)?

I'll join if you'll have me.

Signed up:
LKendter
ThERat
pindicator
Double Stack
Vol

I will get this one started...

The following tactics are PROHIBITED:

1) The diplomatic demand exploit. You can demand a ton of stuff from a civ, ask for a counter-offer and get everything you want.


Standard LK house rules:
1) Automation of any kind is strongly discouraged until the game is known better.

2) Go to orders are not allowed.

3) Please load the game while running civ. If you load by clicking the game you rename the leader. The leader name becomes part of the save, so I want to keep LK### as the leader name. I don't want to defeat a very useful feature.
If you do accidentally load by double clicking the save, then please use the Alt-D feature for civ details and rename the leader by the LK### value.

The following tactics are PROHIBITED:

1) The diplomatic demand exploit. You can demand a ton of stuff from a civ, ask for a counter-offer and get everything you want.


Standard LK house rules:
1) Automation of any kind is strongly discouraged until the game is known better.

2) Go to orders beyond the end of your turn are not allowed.

3) Please complete your turn. At most the next player should have one unmoved unit such as a settler where you are unsure of its direction.

4) Please load the game while running civ. If you load by clicking the game you rename the leader. The leader name becomes part of the save, so I want to keep LK### as the leader name. I don't want to defeat a very useful feature.
If you do accidentally load by double clicking the save, then please use the Alt-D feature for civ details and rename the leader by the LK### value.

Revised rules as I just learned about another exploit.

The following tactics are PROHIBITED:

1) The diplomatic demand exploit. You can demand a ton of stuff from a civ, ask for a counter-offer and get everything you want.

2) The diplomatic gold exploit. See the below thread for details. You can do such silliness as get iron for $1/turn.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=139169


Standard LK house rules:
1) Automation of any kind is strongly discouraged until the game is known better.

2) Go to orders beyond the end of your turn are not allowed.

3) Please complete your turn. At most the next player should have one unmoved unit such as a settler where you are unsure of its direction.

4) Please load the game while running civ. If you load by clicking the game you rename the leader. The leader name becomes part of the save, so I want to keep LK### as the leader name. I don't want to defeat a very useful feature.
If you do accidentally load by double clicking the save, then please use the Alt-D feature for civ details and rename the leader by the LK### value.

I want to try something a bit different, a 7 player game on a *large* map. I keep feeling not enough is going on, so I am curious how the game plays with more territory.

Still sticking with Pangaea for now. Staying at noble for the current time. I want some wins in at noble before I go up a level.

Signup requirements:
Civ4 installed and working
Have played the game some.


Signups for LK111:

LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

If you're going with a larger map, might I suggest a Terra map? After the LK World Map games in Civ3, it would be delightful to watch an LK Civ4 Terra game. I don't think there have been any Terra SGs yet, who better to show the way?

If you're going with a larger map, might I suggest a Terra map? After the LK World Map games in Civ3, it would be delightful to watch an LK Civ4 Terra game. I don't think there have been any Terra SGs yet, who better to show the way?

My understanding is that Terra is equal to huge. I am not ready to make that type of commitment at this time. The whole old / new world bit isn't something I am ready to try.


Signups for LK111:

LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

I want to try something a bit different, a 7 player game on a *large* map. I keep feeling not enough is going on, so I am curious how the game plays with more territory.

Well,I just played a large map with 9 civs and still not much is going on.
Most action came from the barbarians.And the game from yesterday
(Diplomatic victory) was totally actionless,zero wars.:eek:

If you put some more civs in the game I'll sign up.

Well,I just played a large map with 9 civs and still not much is going on.
Most action came from the barbarians.And the game from yesterday
(Diplomatic victory) was totally actionless,zero wars.:eek:

If you put some more civs in the game I'll sign up.


Sorry, but I am not interested in a standard large map at this time. If LK111 goes nowhere, I will post a different idea.

I will join. For some reason I have just not had the interest to play Civ4 as single player, so I have extra time for another SG.

I'd like to sign up for LK111, please.

LK, have you tested large maps already. My first game was large and it was so laggy once the world map was known. It was to the point of absolutely no fun, so unless there is a patch, I can't join.

I am interested in signing up. These LK games sure are racking up the numbers, think you'll get to LK500?

Signup requirements:
Civ4 installed and working
Have played the game some.


Signups for LK111:

LKendter
Greebley
DementedAvenger
DisruptiveIdiot
Open slot

This went from nowhere to almost filled! One more person and it will be started.

I am interested in signing up. These LK games sure are racking up the numbers, think you'll get to LK500?

Well if there is a civ7 and I am playing 15 years from now. :crazyeye:

Well if there is a civ7 and I am playing 15 years from now. :crazyeye:

Perhaps you will give birth to a child who will succeed you :king:

LKII251-Now it's my turn, dad!

Hi LK, I'd be interested in joining this game.

Only had IV for about 5 days, still kinda getting my feet wet, working through my first single player game still. I'm experienced with the entire Civ series leading up thus far, though, so hopefully that qualifies me. :)

I'd always wanted to get in on a Civ3 SG, but just kinda never got around to it. Figured now that IV is out, good time to get started on one! :)

So if you'll have me, I'd love to get in on it.

If you guys need an alternate, I'd be glad to lurk unofficially and jump in if need be.
LARGE MAPS :hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

Signups for LK111:

LKendter
Greebley
DementedAvenger
DisruptiveIdiot
wh00ps

I will get this started tomorrow.

LK, have you tested large maps already. My first game was large and it was so laggy once the world map was known. It was to the point of absolutely no fun, so unless there is a patch, I can't join.

ThERat,
Try lowering the graphics. For example, Medium draws only 1 figure per unit instead of 3. I found a large map slow, but that was at high on all the graphics settings. It seemed reasonable at medium. I didn't try low.

LKendter, I do not know what your postition is on someone being in more that one of your games, but with 109 only going in fits and starts, i would love to be considered for 111 or as an alternet in any of your games. I would certainly have the time to follow and play my turns.

So what is the deal with LK111?

So what is the deal with LK111?

I couldn't get motived yesterday with the upload forum down. I am going to try and get it started in a few minutes.


I know I need the money, but this job is cutting into the important activities :mischief:
I hate being exhausted by 11:00 PM.

How do you get to the strategy level where you write notes?

I have found the best way to do a log it take pictures of most events, and then review them to write the log. This all but eliminates dealing with the alt-tab delay...

I'm fond of pen and paper myself :p.
But I'd like to know how to get to the strategy level myself. I can't find it :cry:

Once in Globe View, the top left button on the minimap changes to the Strategy Layer button.

To avoid the alt-tab delay, run in Windowed mode by changing two .ini values:

; Allow Mouse Scrolling in Windowed mode
MouseScrolling = 1

; Specify whether to play in fullscreen mode 0/1/ask
FullScreen = ask

I'd also recommend hiding the Windows taskbar so you can use all of the screen.

The below are revised rules to avoid a lost post.

The following tactics are PROHIBITED:

1) The diplomatic demand exploit. You can demand a ton of stuff from a civ, ask for a counter-offer and get everything you want.

2) The diplomatic gold exploit. See the below thread for details. You can do such silliness as get iron for $1/turn.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=139169


Standard LK house rules:
1) Automation of any kind is strongly discouraged until the game is known better.

2) Go to orders beyond the end of your turn are not allowed.

3) Please complete your turn. At most the next player should have one unmoved unit such as a settler where you are unsure of its direction.

4) Please load the game while running civ. If you load by clicking the game you rename the leader. The leader name becomes part of the save, so I want to keep LK### as the leader name. I don't want to defeat a very useful feature.
If you do accidentally load by double clicking the save, then please use the Alt-D feature for civ details and rename the leader by the LK### value.


NEW
5) Don't edit your game results into a got it post. There is *no* notification of new activity. I have had SGs stalled waiting for a person to move, when the already did.

The official position for the patch is that all LK series games should be played using the 1.09 patch.

Even though Civ4 claims to not require a lot of fighting to win, it is clear the Civ3 mentality of fight to domination is still around, and I have no interest in going there again as 63 of the 107 Civ3 games were a military win.

The results in the first change for the LK series. All future games will have targeted win types. I feel this is the best way to avoid every game turning into a military victory game. Many games will be designed to be primarily builder games. There will be *rare* games targeted a military win.

This game below is that rarity.

Barbarian Havoc (raging barbs), standard map with just 5 civs (need plenty of space for those barbarians!)
Noble level, Pangaea map and domination win is the ONLY acceptable victory for us.

LK112 - signed up:

LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

ALL openings are for experienced players.
Requirements to sign up:
1) Civ4 working
2) Experience at noble or above
3) A military win is preferred, though not required (else wise, I would be ineligible).

I'd like to hop in, as Math08 is slowing down as we near the end of the game (It's a frigging OCC), we are in a winning position in BGZ01, and with so many players in SW9, I doubt I'll be up often enough to interfere. BGZ02 is fairly active, but it too is a military game, so I anticipate these two games helping my skills in the same areas :lol:.
I'm on the light end of experienced, but I've won every solo Noble game I've played (3), and am currently playing in RBCiv Epic 1.
I suggest we use Kublai Khan. Aggressive is obvious, and Creative is great for expanding the borders of captured cities and dispelling fog, reducing the area in which barbs can spawn.

LK112 - signed up:

LKendter
BotlGnomz
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

ALL openings are for experienced players.
Requirements to sign up:
1) Civ4 working
2) Experience at noble or above
3) A military win is preferred, though not required (else wise, I would be ineligible).

I'd love to get in on the LK 112. I've had quite a few victories on Noble, including some domination and a conquest, and also a couple on Prince.

LK112 - signed up:

LKendter
BotlGnomz
afpunk
Open slot
Open slot

ALL openings are for experienced players.
Requirements to sign up:
1) Civ4 working
2) Experience at noble or above
3) A military win is preferred, though not required (else wise, I would be ineligible).

LK112 - going once...

I'll sign up too. I'm winning most of my solo Prince games now using a variety of victory types.

LK112 - signed up:

LKendter
BotlGnomz
afpunk
Merzbow
Open slot

ALL openings are for experienced players.
Requirements to sign up:
1) Civ4 working
2) Experience at noble or above
3) A military win is preferred, though not required (else wise, I would be ineligible).

I'll take the last slot. I meet the qualifications, if barely (only played three games, not much aggression), and I've played in one or two of your SGs before, so I know what to expect.

LK112 - signed up:

LKendter
BotlGnomz
afpunk
Merzbow
Renata


I will work on getting this one started.

Time to start a debate:

I would like to hear opinions on making the game speed standard or normal. While normal is less of a commitment in lenght, you get a lot less time for moving troops. In a war type of game in particular, you really need all the troop movement time possible.

Well, my opinion is to go with the normal speed. While Epic would surely give better troop movement opportunities, it just doesnt' seem very conducive to succession games, unless we take more than 10 turns for the first few rounds. I haven't had any problem reaching domination on noble at normal speed, so I don't see a real need to play at epic. However, I'll have no problem going with whatever is decided.

Normal.
Epic is, as afpunk said, not very conducive to a succession game.
Plus, we've all absorbed the turn numbers for Normal speed :lol:

I've never played Epic speed, so I can't really say.

With 2 done, I am ready to start 1 new one.

LK113 - peace world
This will be a pure builders game. The following will be in effect:
1) Always peace checked
2) No barbarians checked

This will still be a Pangaea. After this game I expect to start varying the map types.

The level goes up another notch as this game will be at prince. I suspect this will be the resistance point for awhile. My understanding is prince gives a minor edge to the AI. With this game being 100% peaceful it is the perfect game to go up a level.

Signup requirements:
1) Civ 4 working with patch 1.09.
2) Have at least won at noble.

Target win type: Space race only.

Sign me up.

Interesting to see a LK game without war.:D

LK113:
Signed up:
LKendter
Methos
Open Slot
Open Slot
Open Slot

Oh, that definitely interests me. Grabbing land and having lots of culture is top priority, because if the enemy takes a good city spot, there's no other way to get it back.

Both my SGs are either wrapped up or about to, so I'll sign up if you'll have me.

LK113:
Signed up:
LKendter
Methos
Vol
Open Slot
Open Slot

Sign me up for world peace. How about normal speed because troop movement matters less?

Hello all!

After taking a break with Civ3, I did buy the Civ4 immediately once it came out and now would like to continue SG's here.

So please sign me up for the peace game.

LK113:
Signed up:
LKendter
Methos
Vol
MeteorPunch
Tinkez


I will start this one tonight.

At some point I want to make the LK world map available for Civ4.
I don't want to rebuild this monster map by hand. Doesn't anyone know if any tools have been created to pull a Civ3 map forward? I know I need to redesign all of the rules based stuff such as civilizations.

At some point I want to make the LK world map available for Civ4.

Do you mind posting a link to it? I just went through six pages of threads started by you and never saw it. Just curious. :)

Do you mind posting a link to it? I just went through six pages of threads started by you and never saw it. Just curious. :)

You only looked thourgh six pages? :lol:


http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=38461

LK111, LK112 and LK113 are all close to done. I am going to start one more right now. More will open as these games officially close. The first of the below idea to get 5 players will start:


Island hoppers
Settings: Archipelago map, prince, with a random Civ. Win type = any


Barbaric terra
Settings: Prince with raging barbs, terra map, with a random Civ. Win type = domination (yes, this is a crazy idea).


Hated enemies
Settings: Pangaea map, prince, random Civ. The opponents will be voted on as the Civs you hate the most to see (Monty as an example). Win type = domination (truly masochistic).


5CC
Settings: Pangaea map, prince, random Civ. Win type = any. Please note that there is only 2 Cs in the title. This is *not* a conquest challenge.



Island hoppers
Signed up:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot


Barbaric terra
Signed up:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot


Hated enemies
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot


5CC
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

I'd like to sign up for Barbaric Terra if you will have me. Terra is my favorite map type so far, though I have not tried them all. Prince with Raging Barbs is where I usually play.

I'ld like to be member in one of these, the first one you want to start, I am happy with any of these variants.

My only remark is that the island hopper might be 'too easy' or not 'challenging enough' at prince level compared to the other ones...:rolleyes:

Jabah

I'd be interested in the Barbaric Terra, with a couple of caveats.

I've already played this map script, and I think Domination is easier here than on just about any other map script. The human has a big advantage in knowing that there is a "whole new world" out there, and can plan accordingly. The AIs do not. Domination could come from controlling the entire land mass in the Western hemisphere and ~2 Civs worth of land in the old world, give or take a little for the various small islands that are also generated.

In my game on Monarch I controlled all of "North America" and voluntarily stopped settling. I'll have to check the replay, but if I had 30%+ of the land by the end of the game, then domination was very possible. I just didn't want to invest the time to get that type of victory. (These are really big maps.) Playing with Raging Barbs actually makes settling the New World easier for the human because only the human knows to bring multiple galleons of troops to clear the path for settlement first, rather than the standard settler pairs or trios.

So I'd say it might be worth considering bumping up the difficulty level to raise the challenge. For an SG I doubt the map size is much of an issue. For a solo game I would probably consider a "small" instead of a "standard".

So I'd say it might be worth considering bumping up the difficulty level to raise the challenge.
I have only completed 1 prince game (RB Epic 1) with a very marginal win. I am not ready to up the level at this time. At some point I suspect I will see monarch.

For a solo game I would probably consider a "small" instead of a "standard".
Based on your comments I am dropping this game to small.


Let me know if you are interested.



My only remark is that the island hopper might be 'too easy' or not 'challenging enough' at prince level compared to the other ones...:rolleyes:
The trouble right now is there is *way* too much to explore in the game. I haven't even gotten pass the basics. I haven't touched the maps scripts such as highlands that a lot of players seem to like at the RB boards. RB Epic 3 is my first game at continents.


Island hoppers
Signed up:
LKendter
Jabah
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot


Barbaric terra
Game settings adjusted to a small map.
Signed up:
LKendter
Thyrwyn
Jabah
Open slot
Open slot


Hated enemies
LKendter
Jabah
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot


5CC
LKendter
Jabah
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

I'm still interested. We'll see how "small" plays, I think that will mean only 4 opponents. "Standard" in Terra is 20% larger in each dimension than is Continents, so "small" is probably right in line with (standard, continents).

Edit: Just checked ... Standard, Terra is 104 X 64; Small, Terra is 84 X 52 ... which happens to be exactly the dimensions of Standard, Continents.

Island hoppers
Signed up:
LKendter
Jabah
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot


Barbaric terra
Game settings adjusted to a small map.
Signed up:
LKendter
Thyrwyn
Jabah
T_McC
Open slot


Hated enemies
LKendter
Jabah
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot


5CC
LKendter
Jabah
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot


It is looking like Terra will be played, but signups continue...

I would like to try the barbaric terra too :)

Barbaric terra
Game settings adjusted to a small map.
Signed up:
LKendter
Thyrwyn
Jabah
T_McC
Gyathaar

LK114 fills very quickly, and will be started tonight.

you can sign me up for the hated enemies, sounds like fun.

I'd like to get on board for Hated Enemies as well; if we are feeling truly masochistic we can go for Always War! :lol:

Sorry guys, but I was only starting one at the moment. Once two of the current games end, I will bring the vote back.

keep me in mind for that game though, because sometimes the timing is wrong and spots taken fast ;)

^^ ditto above ^^

I'd like to play with TMcC. For some reason, I happen to be good at outside the box thinking, so I pick up on new games pretty quickly (later the tortoises catch up and pass me - never did well at Sid in CivIII, for instance), so I'm pretty comfortable with Emperor/Immortal level play, if you'd like to take a shot. I'd recommend the 1000AD scenario for something fun and different, or the Desert War for some nice modern air/naval/ground warfare.

Island hoppers
Signed up:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot


Hated enemies
LKendter
ThERat (24 hours to confirm still interested)
pindicator (24 hours to confirm still interested)
Open slot
Open slot


5CC
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

confirmed still interested

@LK: What are the desired victories of each game?

Island hoppers
Signed up:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot


Hated enemies
LKendter
ThERat
pindicator (24 hours to confirm still interested)
Open slot
Open slot


5CC
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

@LK: What are the desired victories of each game?


http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3557272&postcount=137

confirm still interested

I'd like to sign up for the most hated enemies game if the team
wants me.No Prince experience only Noble with enough Space,Diplomatic
and a few Cultural wins,all at continent maps from small to huge.
As soon as I've a Conquest and/or Domination solo win I'll move up a level.

By the way,I've nothing against Montezuma.A great ally to get rid of
the tech leaders.Catherine and Alexander are a much bigger pain in the
butt.

I would like to join hated enemies as well, if you will have me.
In single player games, i have won several games on prince and managed a OOC win on monarch.

As for the civ, i can't stand either French leader. They are almost always advanced enough to be a threat and they backstab relentlessly.

Hated enemies
LKendter
ThERat
pindicator
Tatran
Till

I am creating an LK115 thread so we can start voting on the civs we will face.

I have played my last turn in LK111, so I am ready to start LK116.

I want to try out some of the map scripts. So far I have played mostly Pangaea maps.
The level will be prince with a random civ. This will be a standard size map.

Archipelago with tiny islands:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot


Highlands with the rest of the settings at default:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Great Plains
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

I'll play Archi - suggested civ: Washington.

Archipelago with tiny islands:
LKendter
Bezhukov
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot


Highlands with the rest of the settings at default:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Great Plains
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

As I will have one more turnset in LK111 at most, I'll join the archipelago one too.

I'd like to join the Archipelago one also.

If there is still a seat, I'ld like to play archipelago as well :D

Jabah

Archipelago with tiny islands:
LKendter
Bezhukov
grs
DementedAvenger
Jabah


Highlands with the rest of the settings at default:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Great Plains
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot


Well it is a blow out in favor of island hopping...
LK116 will start tonight

I'd like to sign up for both Highlands and Great Plains, if that's OK.

I was only planning to start one of the above. I now have 3 active and just started games, so no more openings for at least a couple of weeks.

Ah. Fair enough.

I came up with a crazy idea I want to try. I want to see if there is enough interest for this one:

LK 117 -GP bureaucratic wonder hogs:
1) Wonders may only be built in the capitol with the exception of forbidden palace and Versailles.
We must build the national epic in the capitol. After all, we must feed the bureaucracy.
The second small wonder is up for discussion.

2) All great people *must* become super specialists in the capitol.

3) We must revolt to bureaucracy when available and stay in it for the rest of the game.

Prince, continents, random civ.


Signed up:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

sounds like an interesting idea...sign me up

Rule #2 was revised.

LK 117 -GP bureaucratic wonder hogs:
1) Wonders may only be built in the capitol with the exception of forbidden palace and Versailles.
We must build the national epic in the capitol. After all, we must feed the bureaucracy.
The second small wonder is up for discussion.

2) All great people must be USED in the capitol. If they can't rush something, then the must become a super specialist. This is to allow for the building of shrine in the capitol as an example.

3) We must revolt to bureaucracy when available and stay in it for the rest of the game.

Prince, continents, random civ.


Signed up:
LKendter
ThERat
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

I did that one with Great Merchants in the capital feeding more Merchant specialists - got to 320 GPP/turn and 38 pop! You'll have a ball, it's fun.

2) All great people must be USED in the capitol. If they can't rush something, then the must become a super specialist. This is to allow for the building of shrine in the capitol as an example.

Not a sign up, but you'll find that this will make the city extremely powerful. In my OCC games I merge nearly all great people as super specialist and its amazing at just how powerful the city can become. If you're really curious, go for an OCC game where there is no limit to national wonders. You'll end up having more super specialist than citizens.

Going once...

Going twice...

i fail to see how this is crazy idea or challenging for that matter, but that might be just me though,

sudjestion: might as well start an OOC game instead imo, more challenging, and would include all ur current concepts.

If it was an OCC, I'd definitely be interested.

Has there ever been a LK OCC game?

Based on the continued negative feedback, I am canceling the specialist idea for LK117. :(

The planning thread did its job and avoided a false start, but it is still a disappointment when I have to flush an idea down the drain.

LK108 started the LK series for Civ4. It was at warlord. I have already jumped two levels with noble and prince in just 9 SG games and a few solo games. Despite jumping the level twice I am still not feeling that much of a challenge.
This is turning out to be the disappointment for me with civ4. I played a lot of prince level games before I felt the need to go up a level with Civ3.
I have a feeling the LK series won't hit 200 if I don't find a resistance point soon without getting extreme and playing at deity.


LK117 - continents, random civ, monarch, just win
With going up another level there are now signup requirements:
1) Previous experience with monarch is preferred, but not required.
2) Prince level wins are mandatory.

Signed up:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

LK108 started the LK series for Civ4. It was at warlord. I have already jumped two levels with noble and prince in just 9 SG games and a few solo games. Despite jumping the level twice I am still not feeling that much of a challenge.
This is turning out to be the disappointment for me with civ4. I played a lot of prince level games before I felt the need to go up a level with Civ3.
I have a feeling the LK series won't hit 200 if I don't find a resistance point soon without getting extreme and playing at deity.


Lee, you also have to consider the experience gained in the first 107 LK games though. Yes, a lot has changed, but a lot of the basics are still there, and since you've mastered the basics previously, you don't need to remaster them just because they've added a couple new features. I'll bet you'll shortly hit a level where a mastery of the basics is no longer enough. Keep the faith! :thumbsup:

P.S. I was going to sign up for the specialist game, but I'm at my limit for SGs at the moment. If you try again in 3-4 weeks I'll definitely join.

I don't think you'll find the resistance you seek at monarch without some sort of variant. Emperor is the point where your back goes to the wall for most civ3 veterans from what I've seen. Still winnable most of the time but challenging for sure.

Monarch is significantly more difficult than Prince (I win at Prince without too much effort, but am having a lot of trouble with Monarch). I'm pretty sure I'll learn something playing this, so count me in.

Signed up:
LKendter
Arizona_Steve
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Sign me up, if you will. I, too win often on Prince but find Monarch quite, um, challenging :)

LKendter
Arizona_Steve
Thyrwyn
Open slot
Open slot

I am surprised that even a basic monarch game isn't getting that much of a response. Have we hit the SG saturation point already?

maybe people want to play all sorts of variant? I am not too sure?
Try and set some target win

I would have played (also in the bureaucratic one) if I was not already in 3 other SGs... and I still have started Adv3 & Adv4 which seems interesting as well (will probably do only 1 of those).

And that is without taking into account other things like RL...

Maybe I am not alone in that situation :crazyeye:

Jabah

maybe people want to play all sorts of variant? I am not too sure?
Try and set some target win
Well I hope it isn't a wait for a variant. Going up a level and variant is just too much for my taste.
I hope monarch hasn't already become considered "to easy". I have zero interest in going up 2 levels to emperor, and no interest in working on crazed prince variant ideas.

Hi there!

I have been lurking for a while and would like to participate as well now. I have never played a SG before.
If you are willing to take a noob aboard, I'd love to join.

I have quite some wins on Prince (Space or Culture), but only one win on Monarch (Space) compared with a lot of losses there.
I'm more of a builder than a warmongerer.

So, if you'll have me, I'd gladly join. :)

Signed up:
LKendter
Arizona_Steve
Sina
Open slot
Open slot



Hopefully we can get a least one vet that has beaten monarch a few times. 3 players with very limited experience is going to make for a brutal game.

Hey LK... good to see your still at it after ... 116 games ??? :eek:
I don't think I've even played that many total civ3+civ4.

I played with you in LK38, a PTW diety continents game.
I seem to remember playing with AZ_Steve before but I can't remember the game.

I've finally gotten an internet conection again, and have played enough Civ4 solo to think about a SG.

My experience with Civ4 has been pretty similar to Civ3. Won on Noble in a space race tester game, won on Monarch culture, lost Monarch military, won Monarch military, am now playing Emperor game which I have in winning position (military, or perhaps UN).

That's all so far, and all on standard maps (continents and pangea).

I don't have any real experience with the tech tree, or the good wonders, or the other little tricks of the trade, etc. I'm pretty much still playing by the seat of my pants.

I'd like to join... maybe we should think about a more exotic map??

Hey LK... good to see your still at it after ... 116 games ??? :eek:
I don't think I've even played that many total civ3+civ4.
Well don't forget I also play a decent amount of GOTM before I got burned out on them allowing abuse such as RoP rape (thank you Firaxis for getting rid of that in Civ4.)
Not to mention a few of the Civ3 RB epics, and some of the RB games for Civ4.


I don't have any real experience with the tech tree, or the good wonders, or the other little tricks of the trade, etc. I'm pretty much still playing by the seat of my pants.


I'd like to join... maybe we should think about a more exotic map??
I want to get some basic monarch games down before I start experimenting. I am still trying to determine the level to play where I feel at least some resistance from the AI.


Signed up:
LKendter
Arizona_Steve
Sina
Gothmog
Open slot

Lee, I think you dropped Thyrwyn off that list so you have a full roster at this point.

Signed up:
LKendter
Arizona_Steve
Thyrwyn
Sina
Gothmog


I will start this one tonight.

Arggg....

I hit where the new thread button should be if I was in the main thread...

@LK: Wrong thread LK. This is your planning thread.

Null post..

Rule #2 has been revised.


The following tactics are PROHIBITED:

There are no exploits that I am aware of at this time.


Standard LK house rules:
1) Automation of any kind is strongly discouraged until the game is known better.

2) A go to order is *only* allowed if you turn summary warns that it is happening and explains why. Sometimes it is just too important to make sure those reinforcements don't get sent to the wrong place.

3) Please complete your turn. At most the next player should have one unmoved unit such as a settler where you are unsure of its direction.

4) Please load the game while running civ. If you load by clicking the game you rename the leader. The leader name becomes part of the save, so I want to keep LK### as the leader name. I don't want to defeat a very useful feature.
If you do accidentally load by double clicking the save, then please use the Alt-D feature for civ details and rename the leader by the LK### value.

5) Don't edit your game results into a got it post. There is *no* notification of new activity. I have had SGs stalled waiting for a person to move, when the already did.

Rule #2 has been revised.
4) Please load the game while running civ. If you load by clicking the game you rename the leader. The leader name becomes part of the save, so I want to keep LK### as the leader name. I don't want to defeat a very useful feature.
If you do accidentally load by double clicking the save, then please use the Alt-D feature for civ details and rename the leader by the LK### value.


Lee, is this still the case? I thought they fixed it with 1.52?

Lee, is this still the case? I thought they fixed it with 1.52?

I have no idea - can any lurkers answer this one?

Removed outdated rule about game loading.


The following tactics are PROHIBITED:

There are no exploits that I am aware of at this time.


Standard LK house rules:
1) Automation of any kind is strongly discouraged until the game is known better.

2) A go to order is *only* allowed if you turn summary warns that it is happening and explains why. Sometimes it is just too important to make sure those reinforcements don't get sent to the wrong place.

3) Please complete your turn. At most the next player should have one unmoved unit such as a settler where you are unsure of its direction.

4) Don't edit your game results into a got it post. There is *no* notification of new activity. I have had SGs stalled waiting for a person to move, when the already did.

I came up with a crazy idea I want to try. I want to see if there is enough interest for this one:

LK 117 -GP bureaucratic wonder hogs:
1) Wonders may only be built in the capitol with the exception of forbidden palace and Versailles.
We must build the national epic in the capitol. After all, we must feed the bureaucracy.

2) All great people *must* become super specialists in the capitol.

3) We must revolt to bureaucracy when available and stay in it for the rest of the game.


I just played a game which had a lot of this idea in it.
It was also 99% cottage less.I had to switch to Nationhood,
because of the unhapiness (wars and growth).
Looking back at that game,a lot could be improved.
Not building the National Epic,not founding an own religion,etc,
but adopted Isabella's Buddism and switch as soon as possible
to Pacifism.Maybe this idea can return from the graveyard.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7256/pic508nt.jpg

A total of 28 GPs : 1 artist,5 merchants,14 scientists,8 engineers
21 were used as a super specialist in Athens.

I suspect I have played my last turn in LK115. That will have me at my target of 3 games. I don't feel I want 4 full games, but 3 1/2 games will work. What is 1/2 of a game?

LK118 - OCC, monarchy, islands map, civ not used in the LK series.
This will be a strict OCC. No accepting of city flips - period.

OCC, I'm in definitely.

This will be a strict OCC. No accepting of city flips - period.

If you have the 'OCC' box checked at the game startup cities cannot flip. I'm not entirely positive, but I believe the flips autoraze instead.

LK118 - OCC, monarchy, islands map, civ not used in the LK series.
Signed up:
LKendter
Methos
Open Slot
Open Slot
Open Slot

Put me in LK118. Maybe it'll teach me how to win OCC :).

LK118 - OCC, monarchy, islands map, civ not used in the LK series.
Signed up:
LKendter
Methos
Ucel
Open Slot
Open Slot

I would like to play the OCC as well, if there is still a seat.

Jabah

LK118 - OCC, monarchy, islands map, civ not used in the LK series.
Signed up:
LKendter
Methos
Ucel
Jabah
Open Slot

This one is almost filled.

I'd like to sign of for this one, I'd like more experience on a OCC.

LK118 - OCC, monarchy, islands map, and civ not used in the LK series.
Signed up:
LKendter
Methos
Ucel
Jabah
Maquis


Hopefully everyone has at least beaten prince before. I just realized I failed to post minimum experience requirements for this game. I am a bit nervous with the number of comments about being new to OCC.

Beaten Prince or beaten OCC Prince? This is a BIG difference. Start the thread, so we can discuss some strategies.

Beaten Prince or beaten OCC Prince? This is a BIG difference. Start the thread, so we can discuss some strategies.

Beaten prince. I have zero OCC expierence. This is a first for me.

In the same boat as LK, I also have 0 OCC (civ4 of course) experience and avid to learn...

Jabah

So OK. I have no problems with Prince, but can't beat OCC on Noble :). Maybe I am just doing something wrong... Last time I've almost won diplo when GW has completed the spaceship.

I too have beaten Price (have yet to win at Monarch though). I have played some OCC, and beaten it on noble (small map, conquest)

I've beaten Monarch on OCC. I have played many games on OCC so have some experience with it. I have yet to beat Monarch on something other than OCC. Everytime I attempt a tougher difficulty level I always start that level by playing OCC.

I've also played two OCC SG's: Merz01 and Math08.

OCC requres a lot of diplomatic control. Knowing who are friends and enemies are is extremely important with an OCC. There are many times we will be starting wars to slow certain civs down. Note this doesn't mean we'll be joining the wars, just be the ones paying others to start them.

Expansionist is a very strong trait witn OCC, as well as Industrious. I play most of my OCC games as Bismarck. I noted that Germany, but not Bismarck, has been played before in the LK series. Philosophical is very nice for GPP and Financial is sweet as well.

Great People are also extremely powerful with OCC. I try to get as many great people as possible and merge them all as super specialist. The only ones I don't merge are a scientist (the academy), a prophet (a shrine), and a artist (one great works to get over 5k). It's not unusual for me to have around 15 or 20 super specialist citizens by the end of the game.

Realize that an OCC game is held back only by its number of citizens. So every super specialist is an extra citizen that is entirely self-sufficient.

Also never played an OCC on islands before, so this will be new for me. I've always played on pangaea or terra. This should be fun.

This should be fun.
Guess you can keep your finger on the enter button.

Guess you can keep your finger on the enter button.

Not even close. You spend a lot of time checking out your relations, techs, "spies", power graphs, etc for this type of game. Realize you have to keep the AI's off your back, and typically on someone elses. You also have to make sure no one AI gets too powerful. If you're just hitting the enter button you're probably going to lose.

Note also that in an OCC there is no limit to the number of national wonders that can be built. Also all wonders that require a certain number of desired builds (i.e. six theatres for the Globe) only require one. Still can't build cathedrals though, they still have their requirement.

I will be starting the game tonight. We can keep the discussion going after I open the LK118 thread. No sense in cluttering the game opening thread.

LK119 discussion time:
I am starting *one* of the below games.


Prince, Pangaea, civ = not played in LK series, 6CCC
Yes, I am bringing the limited city conquest challenge back.

Why did I change the number of cities from 5?
Wall Street needs 6 banks. Oxford University needs 6 universities. Globe Theater requires 6 theaters. I do lock out the FP since that needs 8 cities. I am still not sure on the magic number. However, I won't lock out 2 powerful buildings for the late game.


Island hoping domination, civ = not played in LK series, monarchy.
We will need to rule the oceans, as defending a ton of islands will be difficult.


Timed out, civ = not played in LK series, monarchy.
The goal will be a time victory. What I don't want is an almost conquest victory.
If this starts, we will need to agree on some limits to avoid ending the game with 1 civ alive with an island ice city.
Land type to be determined.


The great researchers, civ = not played in LK series, monarchy.
All great people must choice the research tech option. Our only option is to delay research if it is wasteful such as researching meditation with a great prophet.


6 CCC
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Requirements to sign up:
1) Experience at prince and previous military win at prince.



Island hoping domination
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Requirements to sign up:
1) Experience at monarchy and preferably a military win at monarchy.


Timed out
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Requirements to sign up:
1) Experience at monarchy and preferably win at monarchy.


Great researchers:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Requirements to sign up:
1) Experience at monarchy and preferably win at monarchy.

I will sign up for the 6CCC. I want to learn more about doing well with fewer cities.

For a conquest game with limited cities, I think making it epic will make the game a better one. Otherwise you are very rushed.

6 CCC:
LKendter
Greebley
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Requirements to sign up:
1) Experience at prince and previous military win at prince.



Island hoping domination:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Requirements to sign up:
1) Experience at monarchy and preferably a military win at monarchy.


Timed out:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Requirements to sign up:
1) Experience at monarchy and preferably win at monarchy.


Great researchers:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Requirements to sign up:
1) Experience at monarchy and preferably win at monarchy.

Please put me in what ever will be the first one to start, I am running out of SG:D (6CCC or Island prefered)

Jabah

I'd be up for another SG. My preference would be 6CCC.

As I suspect the signups are leaning toward 6 CCC.

6 CCC:
LKendter
Greebley
Jabah
Maquis
Open slot

Requirements to sign up:
1) Experience at prince and previous military win at prince.



Island hoping domination:
LKendter
Jabah
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Requirements to sign up:
1) Experience at monarchy and preferably a military win at monarchy.


Timed out:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Requirements to sign up:
1) Experience at monarchy and preferably win at monarchy.


Great researchers:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Requirements to sign up:
1) Experience at monarchy and preferably win at monarchy.

Still need more players. If you sign up for 6 CCC the game starts!

I presume you want a conquest win for the 6 CCC game.
If so,I'll sign up.(Of course if you want me.)

6 CCC:
LKendter
Greebley
Jabah
Maquis
Tatran

I will start this one tonight.

LK120 start up
Monarchy, continents, civ = not played in LK series, just win baby.

Signed up:
LKendter
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot
Open slot

Sign up requirements - previous experience at monarchy is preferred.

Sign me up.
Monach wins are not a problem.

I'd like to try LK120. especially after our failure in 117. Just don't slot me right after you, as we seem to have the same difficulty with weekends :)

I look on your previous LK game.

One thin I will go to suggest. Could you start game and post starting screenshot, so we can discuss starting strategy?
I undestand you specify Monarch Continent game, which I found the most fun. You did not specify starting speed. Can I suggest normal?

LK, I am interested in being in the team, but (as you know from other SG) I am going on vacations in 8h for 9 days. If it is OK (I mean I won't be able to participate in discussion in the beginning, so take someone else if you want more initial brainstorming), put me near the end of the roster.

Jabah

Just don't slot me right after you, as we seem to have the same difficulty with weekends :)
I was already thinking the same thing.
Mutineer, do you have any problems with playing on weekends? RL creates some weekends where I simply can't play and need to swap.


You did not specify starting speed. Can I suggest normal?
Normal is the default speed for the LK series unless I state otherwise.


LK120 start up
Monarchy, continents, civ = not played in LK series, just win baby.

Signed up:
LKendter
Mutineer
Open slot
Thyrwyn
Jabah (skip Mar 24 to Apr 1)

Sign up requirements - previous experience at monarchy is preferred.


Only need one more player and I will start this tonight

NO I have no problems playing week ends.

Still looking for player #5

I'll join 120 if you'll have me

LK120 start up
Monarchy, continents, civ = not played in LK series, just win baby.

Signed up:
LKendter
Mutineer
DementedAvenger
Thyrwyn
Jabah (skip Mar 24 to Apr 1)

Sign up requirements - previous experience at monarchy is preferred.

I will get this started today.

Despite LOTR22 finishing I am *not* starting another SG. I am cutting back to 2 at a time while I decide what is next.

Civ4 IMHO is much worse for SGs are there are just to many different ways to play it.

Civ4 IMHO is much worse for SGs are there are just to many different ways to play it.

I would think that having more different ways to play it would make it more interesting.

I would think that having more different ways to play it would make it more interesting.

It is creating a problem where players are trying to take the games in conflicting directions. Civ4 needs a consistent game plan a lot more then Civ3 did. However, I am finding people have to many view on how to play the game.

In the end, Civ4 SGs are less fun then Civ3 SGs for me.

It is creating a problem where players are trying to take the games in conflicting directions. Civ4 needs a consistent game plan a lot more then Civ3 did. However, I am finding people have to many view on how to play the game.
From a lurkers standpoint, I find some of those games to be the most interesting to read. To me, a healthy debate about the strategy is not only interesting, but educational. And, in the end, the person whose name appears on post #1 will have the final say in any disagreement.

From a lurkers standpoint, I find some of those games to be the most interesting to read. To me, a healthy debate about the strategy is not only interesting, but educational. And, in the end, the person whose name appears on post #1 will have the final say in any disagreement.


We could argue this all day, but in the end I don't like how Civ4 SGs are playing out. My concept of how to play the game differs to much from other players.

It is not matter of concept, it is matter of ajsting to situation.
Please, check this thread
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=163415
You will find that is this case I advocate complitly skeep Writing/alphavit in favor of Monarchy and very early war.
It is especially true for Continent games, where situation could be very different and one need to addapt and change.

I am ending the LK series. While I can give a long list of reasons, it boils down to two core ones.
1) I am not having fun playing Civ4 in the SG format. I have *NO* intentions to detail all the reasons.
2) I have a long list of things I want to spend time with including Galactic Civ 2. Civ3 was so addicting that I was willing to avoid the others. Civ4 doesn't have the addiction factor for me.

Finishing Lotr22 was chore. I did it out of obligation, and not having fun. This isn't the only game that felt that way. Even now in LK120 all I am thinking is I can't wait for this to end, as I am tired of all the arguing. I shouldn't dread reading the reports.
Will I be back? I really can't say, but for now the game isn't worth playing. I actually dread the expansion, as the warlord part sounds like a push to make military more important. I can't change the fact that I am a builder by heart. At the moment I only see myself playing in the RB epics if the patch ever arrives.