This thread aims at creating a database for adding the missing civilizations for those who'd like to mod them. I suggest those who are interested in other civilizations should add some information about the nation, name; capital; cities; suggested leaders; UU; great people (scientist, merchant, prophet, engineer, artist).

These are the poll results from this forum about your opinions on which Civs should be added with around 300 Civ fans participating and Babylonians are the most missed civilization with Turks and Vikings sharing a close second, Carthage/Phoenicia; Celts; and Zulu to follow. I will reserve the next six posts for these civilizations and we can all discuss on these as well as new ideas and suggestions.

Assyria 59 20.07%
Babylon 170 57.82%
Celts 104 35.37%
Carthage/Phoenicia 122 41.50%
Dutch 95 32.31%
Iroquois 90 30.61%
Israel ( or ancient tribe ) 77 26.19%
Khmer 41 13.95%
Korea 71 24.15%
Maya 94 31.97%
Poland 41 13.95%
Polynesia 40 13.61%
Portugal 66 22.45%
Siam 31 10.54%
Sioux 55 18.71%
Songhai 20 6.80%
Turks/Ottomans 147 50.00%
Vikings 155 52.72%
Zulus 97 32.99%
Other 49 16.67%
Confederate States
British Empire
Canada
Austria and Hungary
Abyssinia
Australia
Servia
Latvia
Quebec
Philippines
Brazil
Scots
The Northeast
Czechs
Thracians
Byzantium
Swiss
Tartessos
Bosnia
Courdes


Progress going on
Finished product w/o LH
Finished product with initial LH support
Ready to serve with LH & UU

Please note: Leaderheads and Unique Units require additional graphic work that will take more time to complete.

Leader : Hammurabi - Creative and Industrious, favors Organized Religion
Sargon - Aggressive and Spiritual, favors Police State

Capital : Babylon

Flag : Golden lion on dark blue

Starting Techs : The Wheel and Agriculture

Great Scientists : Sennacherib, Nabonidus

Great Merchants : Urumu-ush, Ahikar

Great Prophets : Gilgamesh, Enheduanna, Assur-bani-pal

Great Artists : Sin-liqi-unninni

Great Engineers : Tiglath-pileser III

Unique Unit : War Chariot, Babylonian Bowman

Cities :

Babylon
Ur
Nineveh
Ashur
Ellipi
Akkad
Uruk
Eridu
Samarra
Lagash
Kish
Nippur
Shuruppak
Zariqum
Sippar
Izibia
Larsa
Nimrud
Zamua
Khorsabad
Hindana
Tell Wilaya
Umma
Adab
Telloh
Nina
Ebla
Isim
Elam
Susa
Senkera
Shirgulla
Entemena
Mari
Yarmuti
Ebla
Amanus
Taurus
Kalakh
Arrapkha
Dur Shakkukin
Kalhu
Karkhemish
Harran
Tur Abdin
Khabur
Mari
Khalwan
Terge
Suru
Arbhela
Ecbatanna
Nisibhin
Khabur
Gundeshapur
Qarqar
Rasappa
Hatra
Raqqah
Ruha
Kullimeri
Arpad
Hamath
Gublu
Anduarsalia
Anmurru
Til Garimmu
Itua
Hit
Anah
Kakzu
Gasur
Calah
Barsippa
Nimit Ishtar
Aninua
Shibaniba
Dur Sharrukin
Balata
Tarbisu
Simmurrum
Asari
Imbur-Bel
Tell Rimah
Arballu
Kar-Tukulti
Nimurta
Hatra
Rania
Jerwan
Marad
Kutha
Neribtum
Dur-Kurigalzu
Tadmor
Lachish
Kalhu
Der
Karkheh
Mari
Taima
Riblah
Tushpa
Qarqar
Dan
Hazor

Please suggest leader traits, UU and great leaders. The ones I have listed here are the basic initial suggestions.

Leader : Mehmed II - Creative and Expansive, favors Hereditary Rule
Selim the Grim - Agressive and Expansive, favors Theocracy
Suleyman the Magnificent - Financial and Philosophical, favors Bureaucracy
Mustafa Kemal - Organized and Creative, favors Free Religion

Capital : Istanbul

Flag : White crescent and star on red

Starting Techs : Mining and Hunting

Great Scientists : Molla Fenari, Ali Kuscu, Kadizade Rumi, Ibn-i Sina, Imam Gazali, Mahmud Sipahizade, Molla Lutfi, Mirim Celebi, Nasuh Matraki

Great Merchants : Ali Ekber (first Ottoman merchant to China), Seyfi Celebi, Ibrahim al-Tokadi, Seydi Ali Reis, Lutfi Celebi, Sakip Sabanci, Vehbi Koc, Nejat Eczacibasi

Great Prophets : Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi, Yunus Emre, Haci Bektas Veli, Pir Sultan Abdal, Hoca Ahmet Yesevi, Sheyh Bedreddin, Nasreddin Hoca (folkloric philosopher), Said-i Nursi (controversial spiritual person with significant number of followers), Asik Veysel

Great Artists : Dede Korkut, Omer Khayyam, Fuzuli, Evliya Celebi, Dede Efendi, Sinasi, Namik Kemal, Tevfik Fikret, Osman Hamdi Bey, Halide Edip Adivar, Nazim Hikmet, Orhan Veli Kanik, Yasar Kemal, Munir Nurettin Selcuk

Great Engineers : Mimar Sinan, Hezarfen Celebi, Piri Reis, Ibrahim Muteferrika, Mehmed Said Efendi, Cezayirli Gazi Hasan Pasa, Cezayirli Seyyid Hasan, Yanyali Hoca Ishak, Kirkor Amira Balian

Unique Unit : Janissary, Sipahi

Cities :

Istanbul
Edrine
Bursa
Iznik
Uskudar
Izmit
Manisa
Aydin
Antalya
Konya
Adana
Sinop
Ankara
Kutahya
Balikesir
Eskisehir
Trabzon
Sivas
Kayseri
Karaman
Afyon
Uskup
Canakkale
Karahisar
Manastir
Silistre
Kavala
Kalkandelen
Mugla
Denizli
Bolu
Pristine
Saraybosna
Urfa
Diyarbakir
Erzurum
Antep
Maras
Bingol
Erzincan
Rize
Zonguldak
Dobruca
Sivastopol
Kirklareli
Samsun
Burgaz
Varna
Ruscuk
Tekirdag
Cankiri
Kastamonu
Bitlis
Mardin
Van
Milas
Kars
Ardahan
Beyazid
Nusaybin
Kerkuk
Suhumkale
Derbend
Yenikale
Batum
Baku
Iskece
Yozgat
Tunceli
Akhisar
Kirikkale
Iskenderun

Leader : Ragnar Lodbrok - Aggressive and Expansive, favors Slavery
Harald Hardråda - Aggressive and Spiritual, favors Hereditary Rule
Gustav II Adolf - Philosophical and Creative, favors Bureuacracy
Harald Bluetooth - Organized and Expansive, favors Organized Religion

Capital : Trondheim

Flag : Dragon-prow of a Longboat on blue(?) or black raven on white

Starting Techs : Mining and Fishing

Great Scientists : Carl von Linné, Anders Celsius, Jöns Jacob Berzelius, Anders Jonas Ångström, Carl Wilhelm Scheele, Tycho Brahe, Alfred Nobel, Niels Bohr, Ole Romer

Great Merchants : Ingvar Kamprad, Lars Magnus Ericsson, Ivar Kreuger, A.P. Moller

Great Prophets : Saint Birgitta, Saint Olav, Søren Kierkegaard, Raoul Wallenberg, Dag Hammarskjöld, Saint Knud, Holy Anders

Great Artists : Hans Christian Anderssen, Jenny Lind, Greta Garbo, Ingmar Bergman, Ingrid Bergman, Elsa Beskow, Astrid Lindgren, August Strindberg, Carl Michael Bellman, Evert Axel Taube, Anders Leonard Zorn, Edvard Munch, Edvard Grieg, Knut Hamsun, Henrik Ibsen, Selma Lagerlöf, Snorri Sturluson

Great Engineers : Johan Ericsson, Gustaf de Laval, Håkan Lans(?), Gustav Larsson, Mads Clausen

Unique Unit : Longboat, Berserker

Cities :

Trondheim
Birka
Hedeby
Uppsala
Ribe
Eketorp
Roskilde
Trondenes
Aarhus
Uppåkra
Sigtuna
Lindholm Høje
Skara
Visby
Tønsberg
Jelling
Lade
Helgö
Steigen
Aggersborg
Paviken
Slesvik
Odense
Reykjavik
Brattahlid
Viborg
Tunafors
Oslo
Bjørgvin
Jorvik
Nicopia
Alesund
Harstad
Örebro
Lejre
Aldeigjuborg
Nylösa
Ronneby
Westness
Jarlshof
Holmgård
Kvivik
Herjolfsnes
Lund
Askrigg
Sebbersund
Helsingborg
Nyborg
Lahammer
Tune
Seeburg
Ringerike
Fyrkat
Trelleborg
Bytoften
Brumunddal
Kramfors
Vinland
Köping
Västerås
Jomsborg
Könugård
Aker
Truso
Wolin
Aldeigjuborg
Straumfjörðr
Hóp

Please suggest leader traits. The ones I have listed here are the basic initial suggestions.

Leader : Hannibal - Aggressive and Expansive, favors Police State
Dido - Financial and Organized, favors Free Market

Capital : Carthage

Flag : Palm tree (with a horse) on burgundy

Starting Techs : Fishing, Hunting

Great Scientists : Bomilcar, Tanit, Eshmuniaton

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets :

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit : War Elephant, Numidian Horseman

Cities :

Carthage
Utica
Malaca
Caralis
Panormus
Leptis Parva
Cartenna
Rusicade
Gades
Rusucurru
Girba
Leptis Magna
Carthago Nova
Oea
Tingis
Rusaddir
Alalia
Selinus
Himera
Akragas
Theveste
Saguntum
Carteia
Mainake
Sexi
Abdera
Lixus
Hippo Regius
Hadrumentum
Sabrata
Soleis
Motya
Tharros
Sulcis
Nora
Mago
Palma
Ebusus
Kinyps
Melite
Lilybaeum
Tangier
Algiers
Tripoli
Sijilmasa
Casablanca
Tamanrasset
Saldae
Rusguniae
Thaenae
al-Kaf
Zouchis
Gigthis
Tacape
Zama

Leaders : Brennus - Aggressive and Spiritual, favors Organized Religion
Vercingetorix - Organized and Financial, favors Mercantilism

Capital : Pyreene

Flag : Celtic cross?

Starting Techs : Hunting and Mysticism

Great Scientists : John Dee (alchemist), Giraldus Cambrensis, Ernest Jones, William Jones, Dr William Price, Alfred Russel Wallace

Great Merchants : Sir Howard Stringer, David Buick, Andrew Carnegie, John Law, William Paterson

Great Prophets : Saint David, Howell Harris, Seth Joshua, Saint Mungo

Great Artists : Aneirin (medieval poet), Ann Griffiths, Hedd Wyn, Walter Map, Henry Vaughan

Great Engineers : John Nash, Charles Stewart Rolls, Henry Bell, Charles Macintosh, James Watt

Unique Unit : Gallic Warrior

Cities :

Pyreene
Geneva
Milan
Galatia
Belgrade
Entremont
Dublin
Edinburgh
Cardiff
Budapest
Kells
Armagh
Caernarfon
Tintagel
Carmarthen
Caerphilly
Cork
Rhymney
Iona
Rhondda
Illauntanig
Swansea
Durrow
Merthyr
Tara
Llangollen
Dinas Powys
Aberystwyth
Rhayader
Abergavenny
Dinas Emrys
Cardigan
Llanelli
Maesteg
Neath
Angora
Alesia
Lugdunum
Camulodunum
Richborough
Verulamium
Gergovia
Augustodurum
Agedincum
Eboracum
Burdigala
Cataractonium
Lapurdum
Ratae Coritanorum
Tolosa
Lindum
Nemausus
Curovernum
Glanum
Isca
Segusio
Rutupiae
Monguntiacum
Glevum
Axima
Deva
Lezoux
Noviomagus
Arausio
Durocortorum

Alternate Gaulish city names by (Thamis):

Bibracte
Lutetia
Avaricum
Alesia
Cenabum
Tolosa
Uxellodunum
Vesontio
Agendincum
Cavillonum
Decetia
Gorgobina
Lemonum
Metlosedum
Narbo
Genava
Nemetocenna
Octodurus
Gergovia
Samarobriva
Bibrax
Matisco
Cavillonum
Burdigala
Agendincum
Redones
Santoni
Vellaunodunum
Mediomatrici
Atuatuca
Bratuspantium

Alternate Cornish Cities by (Sa~Craig):

Plymouth
Truro
Taunton
Exeter
St. Austell
Bridgwater
Torquay
Penzance
Glastonbury
Tiverton
Newquay
Frome
Helston
Cheddar
Barnstaple
Saltash
Crewkerne
Newton Abbot
Bodmin
Yeovil
Exmouth
Bude
Redruth
Minehead
Ilfracombe
Hugh Town
Bristol
Bath
Weston-Super-Mare


Alternate Welsh City Names by (Smokey Monkey):

Ruler:Prince Owain Glyndwr

Cardiff Caerdydd
Swansea Abertawe
St Davids Tyddewi
Bangor Bangor
Newport Casnewydd
Aberystwyth Aberystwyth
Llandaff Llandaf
Wrexham Wrecsam
Carmarthen Caerfyrddin
Conway Conwy
Milford Haven Aberdaugleddau
Haverfordwest Hwlffordd
Merthyr Tydfil Merthyr Tudful
Maesteg Maesteg
Caernarvon Caernarfon
Cardigan Ceredigion
Pembroke Penfro
Neath Castell-nedd
Bridgend Pen-y-bont
Llanelli Llanelli
Holyhead Caergybi
Caerleon Caerllion
Tenby Dinbych-y-pysgod
Caerphilly Caerffili

Leader : Shaka - Aggressive and Expansive, favors Police State
Nelson Mandela - Creative and Spiritual, favors Universal Sufferage

Capital : Ulundi

Flag : Pair of crossed spears on a zulu shield

Starting Techs : Hunting and Agriculture

Great Scientists :

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets :

Great Artists : Phuzekhemisi, Mfazomnyama, Ladysmith Black Mambazo

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit : Impi

Cities :

Ulundi
Lusaka
Bapedi
Sofala
Hlobane
Maputo
Isandhlwana
Durban
Intombe
Mpondo
Ngome
Swazi
Tugela
Umtata
Umfolozi
Ibabanago
Isipezi
Amatikulu
Zunguin
Dakar
Nairobi
Kinshasa
Zimbabwe
N'Djamena
Lubumbashi
Luanda
Intombe
Douala
Cape Town
Pongola
Mandini
Ixopo
Mtunzini
Empangeni
Umlalazi
Tuzi Gazi
Enseleni
Magudu
Vryheid
Nongoma
Babanango
Eshowe
Colenso
Nguthu
Hluhluwe
Jozini
Kosi Bay
Mkuze
Mtubatuba
Sodwana Bay
St Lucia
Umkomaas
Hibberdene
Amanzimtot

Please suggest leader traits and great leaders. The ones I have listed here are the basic initial suggestions.

Swedish cities: Sigtuna, Östra Aros, Västra Aros, Uppsala, Visby, Skara, Lund,

Nordic Scientists: Carl von Linné, Anders Celsius, Jöns Jacob Berzelius, Anders Jonas Ångström, Carl Wilhelm Scheele, Lars Magnus Ericsson, Tycho Brahe, Alfred Nobel,

Artists: Sören Kierkegaard, ABBA :), Metallica :) :) , HC Anderssen, Jenny Lind, Greta Garbo, Ingmar Bergman, Ingrid Bergman, Dag Hammarsköld(?), Elsa Beskow, Astrid Lindgren, August Strindberg, Carl Michael Bellman, Evert Axel Taube, Anders Leonard Zorn, Edvard Munch,

Merchants: Ingvar Kamprad, Lars Magnus Ericsson,

Engineers: Johan Ericsson, Gustaf de Laval, Håkan Lans(?)

Prophets: Saint Birgitta, Saint Olav,

Edit: If it's Scandinavians rather than Vikings only (since, for example, all scientific leaders come after the Viking period), Gustav II Adolf would be a nice leader and diversity from the Viking leaders. An improved cannon could be the UU.

Edit: If it's Scandinavians rather than Vikings only (since, for example, all scientific leaders come after the Viking period), Gustav II Adolf would be a nice leader and diversity from the Viking leaders. An improved cannon could be the UU.

I added your cities and people to the previous list, ABBA and Metallica are fun additions, but should we add them as great people of Vikings? Because they are a group of people, but i wouldn't mind it if people are pleased that way. :) Dag Hammarskjöld on the other hand is not an artist but a great diplomat. I placed him under prophets after his only published book "Markings" as he's truly a man of faith, duty and mission. Markings is a monumental book about his spiritual journey within his heart to transcend him deep into Mysticism.

Well here is a start for Polynesia - pardon any inaccuracies - I am very much an amatuer historian who is just develing into the Polynesian culture (I am not a naitve in any way shape or form) and this list is just meant as a starting point. It is as of now mainly an amalgamam of Maori and Hawaiin influences; however the area is rich wiht many other Island cultures so any other candidates are welcome.

Leader : Kamehameha the Great (Hawaii) Kopura-tahi (Mythical King of the forebears of the original Polynesians as preserved by the Takitumu tribe of Maori)

Capital : New Guinea (Place where it is generally thought the original Polynesians sailed from on their Diaspora)

Great Scientists : Tupaia (Navigator and Priest, Accompanied Capt. Cook), Duke Kahanamoku (Inventor of Surfing)

Great Merchants : Hiro (Legendary Tahtian who built first ocean going 'cargo' canoe thus enabling commerce and exploration)

Great Prophets : Te Kooti (Maori Religious leaswer and warrior) Lono (Hawiian God)

Great Artists : Don Ho, (Singer) Paul Gauguin (French Artist who made Tahiti famous)

Great Engineers : Atua Ure Rangi (Easter Island King representative of the building of the Moai - the Great Statues of Easter Island)

Unique Unit : Māori War Canoe

Cities (Note- Using Island groups here instead of cities to reflect the character of this unique culture):
Anuta (in the Solomon Islands)
Cook Islands (self-governing former territory of New Zealand)
Easter Island (part of Chile, called Rapa Nui in Rapa Nui)
Emae (in Vanuatu)
Hawai‘i (a state of the United States)
Kapingamarangi (in the Federated States of Micronesia)
Loyalty Islands (a dependency of the French territory of New Caledonia)
Mele (in Vanuatu)
Aotearoa (called New Zealand)
Niue (a self-governing dependency of New Zealand)
Nuguria (in Papua New Guinea)
Nukumanu (in Papua New Guinea)
Nukuoro (in the Federated States of Micronesia)
Ontong Java (in the Solomon Islands)
Pileni (in the Solomon Islands)
Rennell (in the Solomon Islands)
Rotuma (an island in the extreme north of Fiji)
Samoa (independent nation)
Sikaiana (in the Solomon Islands)
Swains Island (politically part of American Samoa)
Takuu (in Papua New Guinea)
Tikopia (in the Solomon Islands)
Tokelau (overseas dependency of New Zealand)
Tonga (independent nation)
Tuvalu (independent nation)
Wallis and Futuna (overseas territory of France)

Most Research from Wikpedia and New Zealand Electronic Text center http://www.nzetc.org/index.html

Posted this a while back, but here it is again

The South

Leader: I know that Jefferson Davis is the easy defaut for a Southern leader, but how about one of the secessionists instead of an inept leader of a bankrupt government? I say John C. Calhoun, philispohical (as there is no doubt he was an influencial and genius statesman, much like Scalia you might not agree with his views but its hard to disagree with his logic) and industrious (I realize that the South wasn't really industious at the time, but if you look at the actual benefit of wonder production then the promotion of a state's right to slave labor seems most appropriate). He would favor nationhood civic.

Alternate Leader: Martin Luther King, Jr. is spiritual and expansive and favors universal suffrage. This could help take the edge off of those who would falsely percieve a Southern civilization as predominantly racist (or at least any more racist than others). It would also be a giant step over the other alternate leaders which seem more or less to represent the same ideals perceptions on a civilizations culture.

UU: The Confederate Submarine. Should come along earlier than most other submarines, probably the same time as the ironclads and have the same stealth and attack capabilites of a normal submarine. Advantage of the unique unit is not in its base stats, but in the earlier spot on the tech tree.

Alternate UU: Johnny Reb. Is a unit that arises in any age as the highest tech defensive unit (spearmen, musketman, rifleman) who functions much like partisans in Civ 2, in that they pop up after an invasion. However, it would only occur after an invasion by a former ally...say a certain diplomacy ranking during the prior 10 or 15 turns. This would be a fairly accurate representation of the patriotic Southern soldier, who did not fight for slavery but against an invading army. Cost is free, but can not be built and occur at random roll of die (like global warming, but with better odds) and is affected by level of culture and happiness in the conquered city and units may continue to appear from the time of conquer until peace is declared. Is not available until the discovery of Civil Service.

Capital City: Atlanta, not the actual capital at the time of the war. However, there is no doubt that it is the capital of the New South and as we are looking at a civilization as a whole we should look at the entire history of the Civilization not just four years (hence the inclusion of Calhoun and King as the leaders). In addition, this would help with the problem of the South only building Richmond and America having 4 or 5 cities including "Atlanta" and then wanting to build other citeis and Atlanta not being a choice.

Other Cities: Richmond, Charleston, New Orleans, Savannah, Nashville, Birmingham, Jackson, Memphis (will probably be gone by the time you get to it b/c of Egyptians), Chattanooga, Willaimsburg and St. Augustine (very Old South), Charlotte and Arlington (representing the New South).

Great People, assuming like in Civ III

Great Artist: Faulkner

Great Merchantman: Ted Turner

Great Engineer: How about Andrew Jackson for the barricades in New Orleans "during" the War of 1812. Sorry I'm not an expert on great engineers.

Great Prophet: Billy Graham

Colors: Red, secondary Gray.

Flag: Anything other than the Confederate Battle Flag doesn't seem very depictive...but definently open to nonconfrontational alternatives, especailly with MLK as alternate who I can't see carrying a Confederate Battle Flag.

Culture group (I assume there is a visual difference in how units and improvements appear on the map): Mixed or Euro and African in appearance of units, but Euro in improvements and early settlements.

Unfortunately, I know absolutely nothing about computers and this is the only game I've really played since I was 13 years old when I got my first Civ I for my Dad's Mac. Anyone interested in helping me to create this civilization for real in the modding stuff, or want to give me some hints on how this can easily be done??? I get tired of just creating a custom civ and changing my leader name and cities to get the desired effect and end up with an Elephant as my unique unit. Thanks for reading this far.

huntunc's suggestion reminded me of the flags; it would be great if you could also suggest a brief description (or image if it's really necessary) of the flag of the civilization you are proposing. I would recommend the following default outline to avoid confusion:

Civilization :

Leader :

Capital :

Flag :

Starting Techs :

Great Scientists :

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets :

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit :

Cities :

I added your cities and people to the previous list, ABBA and Metallica are fun additions, but should we add them as great people of Vikings? Because they are a group of people, but i wouldn't mind it if people are pleased that way. :) Dag Hammarskjöld on the other hand is not an artist but a great diplomat. I placed him under prophets after his only published book "Markings" as he's truly a man of faith, duty and mission. Markings is a monumental book about his spiritual journey within his heart to transcend him deep into Mysticism. I heard about his book "Markings", have you read it?

I should mention also that the list I posted is pretty Swedish-sided. Some of the persons might not be "great" enough, especially if any Danes or Norwegians, or Icelanders for the matter, would add their suggestions to the list...

You should also decide whether you want "anglospelling" or our native spelling to the names.

I heard about his book "Markings", have you read it?
I have read some articles on it with quotations. I'll lay my hands on it as soon as i can.You should also decide whether you want "anglospelling" or our native spelling to the names.Anything or any character that is going to appear on Civ IV is fine as long as there's no major difference between the local and international (Anglosaxon?) spelling. (As in Suleyman> Suleiman> Solomon> I prefer the first version in Turkish)

On the Celts; I admit my laziness at looking up great people - but we don't not have to put up with the Romanised versions of city names. Yes Persians can argue that about the Greeks naming their cities for posterity etc. Pinyin translations into English etc.

These all come from the Civ 3 forums:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=96814
and
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=27092
and
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=33011 ("http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=33011)

Useful for the rest of the civs on this list. ( I think)

Also for the Irish Celts - can I put forward Brian Boruma as a leader? Someone else suggested it in another thread.

Iberian, Welsh and Breton Celts may also suggest leaders, cities and great people if they'd like.

Hm, perhaps August Strindberg would be a more reasonable choice than Abba, for the swedish civ ;) Also i think that Knut Hamsun was swedish too.

For a scandinavian civ you could also add Ibsen and Grieg

Civilization : British Empire

Leader : Queen-Empress Victoria (could use the same images as the English leader)

Capital : London

Flag : Union Jack

Unique Unit : Dreadnought-class warship (see Wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Dreadnought_%281906%29)) to replace ironclad (does that exist in Civ4?)

Cities : London, Manchester, Birmingham, Newcastle, Bristol, Leeds, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Cardiff, Dublin, Calcutta, Delhi, Belfast, Gibraltar, Ottawa, Singapour, Hong Kong, Sydney, etc etc!

Hm, perhaps August Strindberg would be a more reasonable choice than Abba, for the swedish civ ;) Also i think that Knut Hamsun was swedish too.

For a scandinavian civ you could also add Ibsen and GriegWell I did include August Strindberg in the list, although I did forget about

Selma Lagerlöf (artist)
and there are probably other too that should be in, especially Danish and Norwegian people.

Edvard Grieg (artist),
Knut Hamsun (artist)
Henrik Ibsen (artist)
are all Norwegian and should be included.

Snorri Sturluson, Icelander (artist)
deserves a spot as well.

edit: @Tunch Khan - Alesund is mentioned two times in your list, and Malmo->Malmö and Gavle->Gävle if you want to use å, ä, ö like in the latter cities (just to be consistent). I'm not sure whether you want the modern or the old citynames either, since you've named it a "Viking" civ. Whichever Västra Aros becomes Västerås, Östra Aros -> Uppsala and Uppsala -> Gamla (old) Uppsala. It might get confusing if you use cities from different periods without being consistent with their names....

They should put in some smaller civs. For example danish, israel, hungary....

Why Hamsun as scientist? he was an author :)

Why Hamsun as scientist? he was an author :)
:blush: True. Nobelprize in literature... you don't get more author than that.

edit: I did think "Nobelprice" looked strange....:crazyeye:

I have some of his books ;) "Hunger" is the one i like the most.

I have some of his books ;) "Hunger" is the one i like the most. I really should've read more of these authors' books :( , the only scandinavian, non-swedish, author's books I know and have read is Kierkegaard's, whom I really like btw.
I have to remember "Hunger" by Knut Hamsun anyway, maybe there's time to read it sometime....

This should probably go On Topic again....

@varwnos: Thanks for the tips, I've added them on the list.
@Loppan Torkel: thanks again, i've updated the list on great people and cities, but i'm not an expert on old viking names (Although i have one viking :viking:roommate that i'm afraid might one day use my skull for drinking the smirnoff-ice he plunders from my fridge), so i'll just use your word for it. Do they look more consistent now, or did I srew it up?

EDIT: I found another list that according to its author Isak is more historicly accurate and also includes your suggestions. So tell me which one should we keep; or should we make a hybrid? What about Vikings capital? I didn't see Trondheim in the second list.

You're welcome :)
The second list seems more accurate for a pure Viking civ, Nidaros = Trondheim.

Plus two additions:
Prophet: Raoul Wallenberg
Merchant: Ivar Kreuger

Edit: There are many cities I don't recognise also, being cities from all of scandinavia, some nowadays very small and some with their old names.

On the Celts; I admit my laziness at looking up great people - but we don't not have to put up with the Romanised versions of city names. Yes Persians can argue that about the Greeks naming their cities for posterity etc. Pinyin translations into English etc.
Also for the Irish Celts - can I put forward Brian Boruma as a leader? Someone else suggested it in another thread.
Iberian, Welsh and Breton Celts may also suggest leaders, cities and great people if they'd like.
Thank you very much for the links, they are most certainly very useful. However I couldn't find a "Celt" city names list. There was Welsh and Gaulish city names which we can incorporate or use either one of them, (I'd go for the Gaulish ones). With Celts the difficulty is that they have scattered around Europe settling from Turkey to Ireland but leaving behind very few written evidence, thus it's nearly impossible to craft one unique civilization out of these various Celtic tribes. It is also very hard to determine city names in their original language. So i'm placing alternate Gaulish and Welsh city names to the list and let me know which ones are more suitable. I'd also like to keep some of the city names from the original list such as Galatia, as it reflects the Celts diversity and reminds us of how far they have travelled and settled. One last question would be the capital of Celts, as they had no single empire but rather seperate tribes, which city could best represent the Celtic seat of power?

You're welcome :)
The second list seems more accurate for a pure Viking civ, Nidaros = Trondheim.

Plus two additions:
Prophet: Raoul Wallenberg
Merchant: Ivar Kreuger

Edit: There are many cities I don't recognise also, being cities from all of scandinavia, some nowadays very small and some with their old names. Thanks, I've added the people. About the capital, it's Birka then?
EDIT: I've also added Staraya Ladoga with it's proper Viking name to the list; Aldeigjuborg. It seems to have been founded by Vikings on their way south.

Thanks, I've added the people. About the capital, it's Birka then? I'm not sure which city should be the capital... The Danes, Norwegians and Swedes often fought amongst eachother, there aren't that many sources on the matter of capitals in these "loose" kingdoms. The Swedes were then up until recently divided in Svear and Götar... But I'd guess Trondheim or Copenhagen or their oldname counterparts would be good enough, but then again I've been raised with civ :) . Uppsala was probably an old Swedish site of power if I'm not mistaken. I think Birka was an old merchantplace.

Sigtuna is mentioned twice on the list and Nidaros and Kaupang seem to be the same city - Trondheim. And is Vinland really a city? :confused: that's what America was called...

The easy solution would be to make it Scandinavia and include all history up until now. Then you wouldn't have to worry about citynames or inconsistancy of persons included.

Is there a special category for philosophers in civ4? Kierkegaard is anyway the most known scandinavian philosopher. Did you know that he was part of a society called "the Symparanekromenoi"? :lol: Symparanekromenoi is greek for "fellow dead" :lol:
Also you should include Tycho Brakhe as a scientific leader (Denmark)

Is there a special category for philosophers in civ4? Kierkegaard is anyway the most known scandinavian philosopher. Did you know that he was part of a society called "the Symparanekromenoi"? :lol: Symparanekromenoi is greek for "fellow dead" :lol:
Also you should include Tycho Brakhe as a scientific leader (Denmark)Added Soren Kierkegaard as great prophet. Tycho was already suggested by Loppan Torkel and is in the list.;)

I would like to see the Yugoslavians. If not them as a whole civ then maybe Serbia. Also Poland, Ethiopia and Israel. I don't have names for anything but this civs are very important. These must be modded in!

Added Soren Kierkegaard as great prophet. Tycho was already suggested by Loppan Torkel and is in the list.;)Well, now Kierkegaard is both a great prophet and an artist....;)

Sigtuna is mentioned twice on the list and Nidaros and Kaupang seem to be the same city - Trondheim. And is Vinland really a city? :confused: that's what America was called...
Fixed Sigtuna and removed Nidaros and Kaupang, adding Trondheim as the capital. Reading some Wikipedia on Trondheim makes me choose it as the capital city. And it's inhabitants even revolted for a name change. :viking:
The easy solution would be to make it Scandinavia and include all history up until now. Then you wouldn't have to worry about citynames or inconsistancy of persons included.I was trying to stick to Vikings instead of Scandinavians as it was the name on the poll. Scandinavians are probably a more reasonable choice, but then again, people have romantic sentiments for Vikings, PTW had Vikings and they are more fun, more agressive, more adventurous. It's the same reason I like Vinland name, as it doesn't have to be %100 accurate, it's just a colony name and can be founded in Civ IV next to Baghdad or Beijing. :) I've also added two more settlement names, based on Viking sagas, it's just better than having Trondheim2 if the player wants more cities. I can take them off if it's too annoying, or can replace with better suggestions.

Beowulf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf)could be a prophet too since you're focusing on the Viking era. Another link (http://www.heorot.dk/beowulf-on-steorarume_front-page.html).

I've to ask also if you've done any freaky stuff with your avatar, having it making sounds when you move over it with the mouse-pointer? Or do I have some virus perhaps??:confused:

Well, now Kierkegaard is both a great prophet and an artist... fixed that too. I wish I had as much help with other civilizations too :)

Beowulf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf)could be a prophet too since you're focusing on the Viking era. Another link (http://www.heorot.dk/beowulf-on-steorarume_front-page.html). I've to ask also if you've done any freaky stuff with your avatar, having it making sounds when you move over it with the mouse-pointer? Or do I have some virus perhaps??:confused: Very interesting topic, but it seems as Beowulf is the name of a fictional carachter. I don't know how many great people are actually needed in Civ IV, but this one looks like a fun addition. It would have been great if we knew the author, which we could name under great artists also. But why do you think he needs to be among great prophets?
About your other questions, it might be too much pills consumed, :crazyeye: or you do actually have a virus. :lol:

I have some flag suggestions. For Babylon, a golden lion on dark blue. For Carthage, a white horse's head or possibly a palm tree on burgundy (both were common images on Carthaginian coins). And for the Vikings, a black raven on white (as illustrated here: http://atlasgeo.span.ch/fotw/flags/xn_raven.html )

I have some flag suggestions. For Babylon, a golden lion on dark blue. For Carthage, a white horse's head or possibly a palm tree on burgundy (both were common images on Carthaginian coins). And for the Vikings, a black raven on white (as illustrated here: http://atlasgeo.span.ch/fotw/flags/xn_raven.html ) Thanks for the suggestions. Do you have any info on the Babylonian flag you are describing? It's known that they didn't have flags back then, but perhaps some royal symbols inscripted somewhere?

Are you guys (and girls) sure that Great People are linked to its civilization? it could as well be that they are linked to technology, meaning there is one pool of names for everyone and depending on tech level, they get spawned. That's at least what I was thinking, when I saw some screenshots, especially turn logs from games, there was in one particular game, practically only western names, but at lest half of the civs in that game were not European...
But of course, that could also have been only an old built... :)

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Are you guys (and girls) sure that Great People are linked to its civilization? it could as well be that they are linked to technology, meaning there is one pool of names for everyone and depending on tech level, they get spawned. That's at least what I was thinking, when I saw some screenshots, especially turn logs from games, there was in one particular game, practically only western names, but at lest half of the civs in that game were not European...
But of course, that could also have been only an old built... :)
m To be honest I'm not sure either, but I'd be dissapointed if it were like you are saying. Having Einstein born as a Turkish scientist in Ankara? It's kinda boring.

Thanks for the suggestions. Do you have any info on the Babylonian flag you are describing? It's known that they didn't have flags back then, but perhaps some royal symbols inscripted somewhere?

The lions were all over Babylon's Ishtar gate, Here's one picture. http://www.atlastours.net/iraq/babylon_relief.jpg They seemed to be the best symbols for Babylon, as far as I could tell.

The lions were all over Babylon's Ishtar gate, Here's one picture. http://www.atlastours.net/iraq/babylon_relief.jpg They seemed to be the best symbols for Babylon, as far as I could tell. You are right, I think lions must have symbolized the royal power and such. I've seen more lions than any other symbol anyway.

I would really like to see the Iroquois added. I don't have a lot of time right now to compose a full proposal for them, so I'll just link to the Wikipedia article on them. There is a lot of historical info there and a picture of their "modern flag"

Leaders could be "Deganawidah," also known as "The Great Leader" and the other leader could be Hiawatha. They were the two founders of the Iroquois Confederacy.

Anyhow, here's the link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois).

After I get the game, I'll look into how hard it'll be to add them. If anyone has any suggestions as to things like city names and great people and such, I'd love to hear it.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=33011 This thread has a good city list for the Iroquois.

Civilization : the Iroquois

Leader : Deganawidah, Hiawatha

Capital : Kanadaseagea

Flag : Iroquois stylized banner on purple

Starting Techs :

Great Scientists :

Great Merchants : Waraghiyaghey, Thayendanega

Great Prophets : Catherine Tekawitha, Neolin

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit :

Cities :

Kanadaseagea
Little Beard's Town
Tionontogeh
Onienda Castle
Ganegahaga
Fort Onondaga
Chondote
Cayuga Castle
Canaseraga
Fort Niagara
Allegheny
Oquaga
Chemung
Tioga
Schenectady
Buffalo Creek
Buck Tooth
Caughnawaga
Kanesatake
Grand River
Oswegatchie
Canajoharie
Gandasetaigon
Ganogeh
Gayagaanhe
Gewauga
Kawauka
Kente
Kiohero
Neodakheat
Oiogouen
Oneniote
Onnontare
Owego
Skannayutenate
Canastigaone
Canienga
Caughnawaga
Churchtononeda
Kanagaro
Kowogoconnughariegugharie
Nowadaga
Onekagoncka
Onoalagona
Oquaga
Osquake
Saratoga
Schaunactada
Schoharie
Teatontaloga
Tewanondadon
Tionnontoguen
Unadilla
Awegen
Cahunghage
Canowaroghere
Canowdowsa
Chittenango
Cowassalon
Ganadoga
Hostayuntwa
Oneida
Opolopong
Oriska
Ossewingo
Ostogeron
Schoherage
Sevege
Tuscarora
Solocka
Tegasoke
Teseroken
Tetosweken
Tkanetota
Tolungowon
Ahaouet
Deseroken
Gadoquat
Gannentaha
Gistwiahna
Kanatakowa
Onondaghara
Onondahgegahgeh
Onontatacet
Otiahanague
Teionontatases
Tgasunto
Touenho
Tueadasso
Buckaloon
Canadasaga
Caneadea
Catherine's Town
Cattaraugus
Cheronderoga
Condawhaw
Connewango
Cussewago
Dayoitgao
Deonundagae
Deyodeshot
Deyohnegano
Deyonongdadagana
Deyosyowan
Gaandowanang
Gadaho
Gahato
Gahayanduk
Ganagweh
Ganawagus
Ganeasos
Ganedontwan
Ganos
Ganosgagong
Gaonsagaon
Gaousge
Gaskosada
Gathtsegwarohare
Geneseo
Gistaquat
Gwaugweh
Honeoye
Jennesedaga
Joneadih
Kahesarahera
Kanaghsaws
Kannassarago
Kashong
Kaskonchiagon
Kaygen
Keinthe
Middle Town
New Chemung
Newtown
Nondas
Oatka
Old Chemung
Onnahee
Onoghsadago
Onondarka
Owaiski
Skahasegao
Skoiyase
Sonojowauga
Tekisedaneyout
Tioniongarunte
Tonawanda
Totiakton
Yorkjough
Yoroonwago
Shawiangto

Civilization : Poland

Leader : #1 Kazimierz Wielki (Casimir The Great)
-Industrialist
-Scientific
#2 Jozef Pilsudski (Joseph Pilsudski)
-Militaristic
-Expansionist

Capital : Krakow or Warszawa

Flag : Should be the national Symbol (A crowned white eagle on a red shield)

Great Scientists : Marja Sklodowska-Curie

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets : Karol Wojtyla (Pope John Paul II)

Great Artists : Jan Matejko

Great Engineers : Tadeusz Sendzimir

Unique Unit : Polish Hussaria (sidenote: Wings are attached to the horse not the rider)

Cities :

Gniezno
Krakow (if not the Capital)

I will fill you in more tomorrow that is if I won't be too busy with my brand spanking new Civ IV game ;)

hey what about Ethiopia, they were always one of the more powerful african nations, and would fill out africa nicely. Egypt, Carthage, Mali, Ethiopia and Zulu, make that continent feal nice and full. Trust me, I did it in Civ 3. It's a great use of space. On a world map, what is really needed (aside from civ 3 civs left out of civ 4, besides some of the repetative ones) are Siam, Ethiopia, Polynesia(though I have a feeling that the new barbarians could adequately fill the space on a world map), somethign with Australia, Something in Canada, Navajo(or Anasazi, Hopi ect. to fill out the SW US), Cherokee maybe, and something around north of the black and caspine seas to buffer the Russians and Mongols. Tartars perhaps?

hey what about Ethiopia, they were always one of the more powerful african nations, and would fill out africa nicely. Egypt, Carthage, Mali, Ethiopia and Zulu, make that continent feal nice and full. Trust me, I did it in Civ 3. It's a great use of space. On a world map, what is really needed (aside from civ 3 civs left out of civ 4, besides some of the repetative ones) are Siam, Ethiopia, Polynesia(though I have a feeling that the new barbarians could adequately fill the space on a world map), somethign with Australia, Something in Canada, Navajo(or Anasazi, Hopi ect. to fill out the SW US), Cherokee maybe, and something around north of the black and caspine seas to buffer the Russians and Mongols. Tartars perhaps? I will get to Ethiopia as that is one of my favorites. I need to polish some of the previous posts before. I want their ancient name: Abyssinia.

I expected to see Chopin as the polish great artist :)

I expected to see Chopin as the polish great artist :) Kiwusek is currently handling Poland, but if he gets too busy with Civ IV, i might give him a hand.. ;)

I spent the whole night on Iroquois history reading many [long] articles. It's surprising that they get so little attention than they actually deserve in North American history. I am pretty sure the city names are pretty accurate and in order of historical importance, but please let me know if you have alternate ideas.

Very interesting topic, but it seems as Beowulf is the name of a fictional carachter. I don't know how many great people are actually needed in Civ IV, but this one looks like a fun addition. It would have been great if we knew the author, which we could name under great artists also. But why do you think he needs to be among great prophets? He seems to have a reallife counterpart from what I've read, although it's all pretty much speculation for obvious reasons. The writer is unknown and the manuscript ended up in England. Making Beowulf an artist didn't seem quite right, plus there are so many already... Beowulf - a prophet spreading the Norse culture just seemed more fitting :), but it doesn't really matter, there might be other great people too that I've misplaced.

Civilization : : Austria-(Hungary)

Leader : Franz-Josef
-Creative
-Expansionist

Capital : Vienna
Flag : Double Headed Eagle. See Google

Great Scientists : Siegmund Freud, Christian Doppler, Wolfgang Pauli, Erwin Schrödinger, Gregor Mendel

Great Merchants : Frank Stronach, Didi Mateschitz

Great Prophets :
Great Artists : W.A. Mozart, Johann Strauss, Joseph Haydn, Franz Schubert, Franz Kafka, Johann Nestroy, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Arnold Schwarzenegger :P
Great Engineers : Fredinand Porsche, Viktor Kaplan, Johann Bernhard Fischer von Erlach

Unique Unit : Hussar
Cities :

Salzburg
Graz
Budapest
Prague
Lemberg
Brno
Triest
Lubijana
Linz
Innsbruck

Great Merchant: Didi Mateschitz

I would certainly NOT include that *******, I mean, he's alive and although he had quite some success, he also destroyed a lot of Austria on his way...

Otherwise, you're list is quite good, but putting Hungary only into brackets is somehow... well ... not ignorant nor arrogant, but just a little bit too Austria-friendly... :)

Greetings from the neighbour,

mitsho

I think by putting Hungary in bracelets GanJ0rm0n was suggesting an option to include the civilization either as Austria or as Habsburg Empire of Austria and Hungary. That is my interpretation of course. For those who post a new civilization; please try to add as many details as you can, whenever you get a chance by EDITING your original posting. You can add great people or new city names etc.

Leader : Osman Gazi, Suleyman the Magnificent, Mustafa Kemal

Capital : Istanbul

Flag : White crescent and star on red

Great Scientists : Molla Fenari, Ali Kuscu, Kadizade Rumi, Ibn-i Sina, Imam Gazali, Mahmud Sipahizade, Molla Lutfi, Mirim Celebi, Nasuh Matraki

Great Merchants : Ali Ekber (first Ottoman merchant to China), Seyfi Celebi, Ibrahim al-Tokadi, Seydi Ali Reis, Lutfi Celebi, Sakip Sabanci, Vehbi Koc, Nejat Eczacibasi

Great Prophets : Mevlana Celaleddin Rumi, Yunus Emre, Haci Bektas Veli, Pir Sultan Abdal, Hoca Ahmet Yesevi, Sheyh Bedreddin, Nasreddin Hoca (folkloric philosopher), Said-i Nursi (controversial spiritual person with significant number of followers), Asik Veysel

Great Artists : Dede Korkut, Omer Khayyam, Fuzuli, Evliya Celebi, Dede Efendi, Sinasi, Namik Kemal, Tevfik Fikret, Osman Hamdi Bey, Halide Edip Adivar, Nazim Hikmet, Orhan Veli Kanik, Yasar Kemal, Munir Nurettin Selcuk

Great Engineers : Mimar Sinan, Hezarfen Celebi, Piri Reis, Ibrahim Muteferrika, Mehmed Said Efendi, Cezayirli Gazi Hasan Pasa, Cezayirli Seyyid Hasan, Yanyali Hoca Ishak, Kirkor Amira Balian

Unique Unit : Janissary, Sipahi

Cities :

Istanbul
Edrine
Bursa
Iznik
Uskudar
Izmit
Manisa
Aydin
Antalya
Konya
Adana
Sinop
Ankara
Kutahya
Balikesir
Eskisehir
Trabzon
Sivas
Kayseri
Karaman
Afyon
Uskup
Canakkale
Karahisar
Manastir
Silistre
Kavala
Kalkandelen
Mugla
Denizli
Bolu
Pristine
Saraybosna
Urfa
Diyarbakir
Erzurum
Antep
Maras
Bingol
Erzincan
Rize
Zonguldak
Dobruca
Sivastopol
Kirklareli
Samsun
Burgaz
Varna
Ruscuk
Tekirdag
Cankiri
Kastamonu
Bitlis
Mardin
Van
Milas
Kars
Ardahan
Beyazid
Nusaybin
Kerkuk
Suhumkale
Derbend
Yenikale
Batum
Baku
Iskece
Yozgat
Tunceli
Akhisar
Kirikkale
Iskenderun

Ibn Sina and Omar-e Khayyam, were absolutely no Ottomans.

They both lived under various Turkish governments and their art and sience flourished in such an environment. I would not oppose if Persians claimed them as well, but they have definately become a part of Turkish culture due to their contributions and impact. If they are not already included in the game yet under Persians, then they will definately be placed in my mod as they are both Great People.

Civilization : Canada

Leader : William Lyon Mackenzie King
Pierre Trudeau

Capital : Ottowa
Flag : base red flag with a white square in its centre, featuring a red stylized 11-pointed maple leaf.

Great Scientists :Maude Abbott, Wilder Penfield, Hugh Le Caine, Gerald Hefferman, E.W.R. Steace, Frederick Banting

Great Merchants : Ken Thomson, Galen Weston, Jeff Skoll, John Irving

Great Prophets :

Great Artists : Pamela Anderson, Mike Myers, David Foley, Shania Twain, Celine Dion, William Shatner

Great Engineers : Reginald A. Fessenden, Sir Sanford Fleming, Elijah McCoy

Unique Unit : Mountie
Cities :

Toronto
Montréal
Vancouver
Ontario
Edmonton
Calgary
Quebéc
Winnipeg
Hamilton
London
Kitchener
St Catharines-Niagara
Halifax
Victoria
Windsor

Nice job TheBladeRoden. But i'm sure you can do better than that when it comes to city names :). Care to add a little more?

Leader : Hannibal


change that to dido (can't spell). Never thought that hannibal should get the role of leader in civ.

change that to dido (can't spell). Never thought that hannibal should get the role of leader in civ. Dido added as leader of Carthage, but you need to give credit to good old Hannibal :) he has more popularity than every other Carthagenian king or queen. Civ fans love him. :p

Normal it's Hannibal the Cannibal :mischief: :p

Dido added as leader of Carthage, but you need to give credit to good old Hannibal :) he has more popularity than every other Carthagenian king or queen. Civ fans love him. :p

Ok, hannibal it is

Civilization : British Empire

Leader : Queen-Empress Victoria (could use the same images as the English leader)

Capital : London

Flag : Union Jack

Unique Unit : Dreadnought-class warship (see Wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Dreadnought_%281906%29)) to replace ironclad (does that exist in Civ4?)

Cities : London, Manchester, Birmingham, Newcastle, Bristol, Leeds, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Cardiff, Dublin, Calcutta, Delhi, Belfast, Gibraltar, Ottawa, Singapour, Hong Kong, Sydney, etc etc!

Love this idea, but doubt you would get onto the 'oversea/empire' cities as the number of cities you appear to be able to expand to in Civ 4 is much lower. Would suggest that after 5 or 6 'British' cities (push Edinburgh, Cardiff & Belfast up the list) you continue with just 'oversea' cities. Additional city suggestion: Wasn't Egypt a target of colonial protection in the 1880's? Could Cairo or Alexandria be added to this list?

I think that the Unique Unit definately ought to be navy to represent British domination of the seas at this time. Possibly not Dreadnought though. I would think that a 'fast' unit as opposed to a 'strong' unit might better reflect the reach of the British Navy.

Don't know how many Victorian Great Scientists or Great Engineers will be needed, but here are a few I can think of off of the top of my head.

Scientists: Charles Darwin, James Clark Maxwell, Michael Faraday, Ada Lovelace, Joseph Lister

Engineers: Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Charles Babbage, Guglielmo Marconi (not British, but the Marconi Telegraph Co. was established in London), Sir Henry Bessemer (holds patent for first method for mass-producing steel), Alfred Waterhouse (Architect of London's Natural History Museum- should he be Engineer or Artist?).

Here's some more.

Artists: Charles Dickens, Edward Elgar, Alfred Lord Tennyson, Oscar Wilde.

Prophets: A difficult one to come up with names for. I'm inclined to go for political and social reformers here, rather than those linked with religon. How about Karl Marx (not British I know, but lived and worked over half his life in London. Philosophy inspired British labour movement in the 20th Century)? John Stuart Mill, William Booth (founder of Salvation Army), Benjamin Disraeli (put through the 1867 Electoral Reform Act), William Forster (Compulsory Education Pioneer).

Merchants: George Curzon (reorganised India's finance and commerce), Cecil Rhodes (founded De Beers diamond company amongst many other things), William Gladstone (champion of Free Trade), Sir Thomas Lipton (friend of Victoria's son Edward, Prince of Wales, and who made a fortune from groceries).

OK. So, they weren't off the top of my head. Got a little involved. Love the idea of a British Empire Civ. Perhaps this needs its own thread.

One final thing, perhaps I was lulled into thinking just about Victorian achievements (about 1840 onwards), but there is a whole lot of stuff that happened in the earlier part of the 1800's. Perhaps as an alternate leader we could have George IV, formerly the Prince Regent, who I am sure would have very different characteristics to Victoria (just had a Blackadder-esque moment there).

I think this has lots of potential. Comments?

Civilization : the Iroquois

Leader : Deganawidah, Hiawatha

Capital : Kanadaseagea

Flag : Iroquois stylized banner on purple

Great Scientists :

Great Merchants : Waraghiyaghey, Thayendanega

Great Prophets : Catherine Tekawitha, Neolin

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit :

Cities :

Kanadaseagea
Little Beard's Town
Tionontogeh
Onienda Castle
Ganegahaga
Fort Onondaga
Chondote
Cayuga Castle
Canaseraga
Fort Niagara
Allegheny
Oquaga
Chemung
Tioga
Schenectady
Buffalo Creek
Buck Tooth
Caughnawaga
Kanesatake
Grand River
Oswegatchie
Canajoharie
Gandasetaigon
Ganogeh
Gayagaanhe
Gewauga
Kawauka
Kente
Kiohero
Neodakheat
Oiogouen
Oneniote
Onnontare
Owego
Skannayutenate
Canastigaone
Canienga
Caughnawaga
Churchtononeda
Kanagaro
Kowogoconnughariegugharie
Nowadaga
Onekagoncka
Onoalagona
Oquaga
Osquake
Saratoga
Schaunactada
Schoharie
Teatontaloga
Tewanondadon
Tionnontoguen
Unadilla
Awegen
Cahunghage
Canowaroghere
Canowdowsa
Chittenango
Cowassalon
Ganadoga
Hostayuntwa
Oneida
Opolopong
Oriska
Ossewingo
Ostogeron
Schoherage
Sevege
Tuscarora
Solocka
Tegasoke
Teseroken
Tetosweken
Tkanetota
Tolungowon
Ahaouet
Deseroken
Gadoquat
Gannentaha
Gistwiahna
Kanatakowa
Onondaghara
Onondahgegahgeh
Onontatacet
Otiahanague
Teionontatases
Tgasunto
Touenho
Tueadasso
Buckaloon
Canadasaga
Caneadea
Catherine's Town
Cattaraugus
Cheronderoga
Condawhaw
Connewango
Cussewago
Dayoitgao
Deonundagae
Deyodeshot
Deyohnegano
Deyonongdadagana
Deyosyowan
Gaandowanang
Gadaho
Gahato
Gahayanduk
Ganagweh
Ganawagus
Ganeasos
Ganedontwan
Ganos
Ganosgagong
Gaonsagaon
Gaousge
Gaskosada
Gathtsegwarohare
Geneseo
Gistaquat
Gwaugweh
Honeoye
Jennesedaga
Joneadih
Kahesarahera
Kanaghsaws
Kannassarago
Kashong
Kaskonchiagon
Kaygen
Keinthe
Middle Town
New Chemung
Newtown
Nondas
Oatka
Old Chemung
Onnahee
Onoghsadago
Onondarka
Owaiski
Skahasegao
Skoiyase
Sonojowauga
Tekisedaneyout
Tioniongarunte
Tonawanda
Totiakton
Yorkjough
Yoroonwago
Shawiangto

OMG! re: city list. Supposedly the average number of cities in a game of civ4 is 5 - 10. Which were the most important?

Why add British Empire when you've got England? Perhaps there's a good reason, I just feel it would be similar to adding Soviet to Russia, Holy Roman Empire to Germany, the Spanish Empire (?) to Spain, the Turks to the Ottomans or perhaps Scandinavia to the Vikings. Of course it never hurts to add alternatives but why not just add a different leader or UU and call it "the empire"?

Why add British Empire when you've got England? Perhaps there's a good reason, I just feel it would be similar to adding Soviet to Russia, Holy Roman Empire to Germany, the Spanish Empire (?) to Spain, the Turks to the Ottomans or perhaps Scandinavia to the Vikings. Of course it never hurts to add alternatives but why not just add a different leader or UU and call it "the empire"?

Because...England and Britain are very distinctly two different things.

Plus, English Empire sounds silly. There never has been and never will be an English Empire...OK I think about that for more than one second, and I suppose you might vaguely call Elizabeth I's England, an 'English Empire', with its colonies in America, or the English conquest of Scotland, Ireland and Wales.

PS: I'm not trying to start a flame war here, so no comments about Scotland, Ireland and Wales, please.

What I am trying to illustrate is that the 'British Empire' of the Victorian era is a distinct entity in its own right, and given the cultural exchange between Empire and Britain, I think there is a good case for its creation.

Although, I suppose you do also have a case to say that it isn't really a 'missing civ'. I'm sure that there are a dozen or so other civs that have a case of their own for inclusion in a 'missing civ' thread.

MESSAGE FOR dpaajones. If you really want to put together a British Empire civ, how 'bout's we start its own thread? I've also got a few ideas relating to a British Empire multiplayer game. What do you think?

Because...England and Britain are very distinctly two different things.


Not realy. I don't know why scottland, wales etc. have not been put in, but I just wouldn't work. I was about to add "the british empire" to my game, but I didn't work. Lopen torkel is correct. I would be exactly like adding scandinavia to vikings or soveit to russia. England din't actauly conquer the rest of britan, even if historicaly it did the most conquering, the british countrys kind of merged together. And Recoats were from the British Empire, also pointing out that at that time Britian was actualy a democracy (well, it was learning) and the monarchy that existed was much more of a figure head than a leader. But English Empire does sound silly.

ps. I think the british empire special unit should be the spitfire, being possibly the best and most loved fighter plane of all time.

The great canadian artist Pamela Anderson...

Not realy. I don't know why scottland, wales etc. have not been put in, but I just wouldn't work. I was about to add "the british empire" to my game, but I didn't work. Lopen torkel is correct. I would be exactly like adding scandinavia to vikings or soveit to russia. England din't actauly conquer the rest of britan, even if historicaly it did the most conquering, the british countrys kind of merged together. And Recoats were from the British Empire, also pointing out that at that time Britian was actualy a democracy (well, it was learning) and the monarchy that existed was much more of a figure head than a leader. But English Empire does sound silly.

ps. I think the british empire special unit should be the spitfire, being possibly the best and most loved fighter plane of all time.

1) At least we agree that English Empire sounds silly. :D

2) I'll agree that Lopen torkel has a point. But then, why is America a civ in the game. Barely 200 years old, the Native Americans deserve to be in the product much more surely? They occupied the land before their conquest.

I know this is a mute point. It's an American product, therefore an American Civ is included. And there is no doubting the point that the real 'American Civ' has influenced things globally since about 1900, as the British Empire starts to decline (It's golden age is over) having (perhaps arguably) had the major influence over world affairs during the 1800's.

3) 'The British countries kind of merged together'. Yes, Act of Union 1901, creating a distinct nation with its colonies abroad.

4) Love the spitfire, but I'd say its a little late for British Empire unit.

1) At least we agree that English Empire sounds silly. :D

2) I'll agree that Lopen torkel has a point. But then, why is America a civ in the game. Barely 200 years old, the Native Americans deserve to be in the product much more surely? They occupied the land before their conquest.

I know this is a mute point. It's an American product, therefore an American Civ is included. And there is no doubting the point that the real 'American Civ' has influenced things globally since about 1900, as the British Empire starts to decline (It's golden age is over) having (perhaps arguably) had the major influence over world affairs during the 1800's.

3) 'The British countries kind of merged together'. Yes, Act of Union 1901, creating a distinct nation with its colonies abroad.

4) Love the spitfire, but I'd say its a little late for British Empire unit.

wahey! I have made an agrrement with someone with only one post! right of passage number 2 out the way :mischief:

and I think if the dreadonought is early enough then the spitfire is defently ready for action. Remeber that india was still part of the British Empire during WWII, so technicaly spitfire deseveres a place. Spitfire mod here I come.

wahey! I have made an agrrement with someone with only one post! right of passage number 2 out the way :mischief:

and I think if the dreadonought is early enough then the spitfire is defently ready for action. Remeber that india was still part of the British Empire during WWII, so technicaly spitfire deseveres a place. Spitfire mod here I come.

Agreement #2: :D I think you're right that India was still part of the British Empire at the time of WW2, but the Empire was certainly past its sell-by date at that time. I mean, these days, our colonial possessions largely consist of penguins in the Falklands! I like the idea of a British Empire Civ focusing on the glory days (as any old imperialist would). But a Spitfire unit would surely be welcome. I'm playing a game of RaR at the moment, and they have 'flavour' units (units that can only be created by one or a few Civs).

Extending the Empire into the mid-20th Century I guess you could include a number of Empire flavour units.

Rule Britannia, I say! Long live the Empire, and God Save the Queen! (Vikky, that is.)

OMG! re: city list. Supposedly the average number of cities in a game of civ4 is 5 - 10. Which were the most important? I understand you concern, butyou don't need to worry about the long lists, as you just copy-and-paste the whole list and the most important ones will appear first. I just wanted to have an all inclusive list with no repeats. The city names list is the result of a through web search. If it's still too long, just get the first 10-15 names :) but they won't take up too much space anyway.

I understand you concern, butyou don't need to worry about the long lists, as you just copy-and-paste the whole list and the most important ones will appear first. I just wanted to have an all inclusive list with no repeats. The city names list is the result of a through web search. If it's still too long, just get the first 10-15 names :) but they won't take up too much space anyway.

Oh, it wasn't so much the long lists that I was worried about, more the fact that in previous Civ versions, I think, the computer always starts naming cities from the top of the list, yes?

If the average game only uses about 5 to 10 of them, I think it makes sense to have the most populus, or important cities at the top of the list. In a previous post about British Empire civ, I suggested using fewer British cities (perhaps 5), and then the rest from Empire. My thought being that it would be unlikely that you'ld ever see the overseas cities as they were lower down the list.

Oh, it wasn't so much the long lists that I was worried about, more the fact that in previous Civ versions, I think, the computer always starts naming cities from the top of the list, yes?

If the average game only uses about 5 to 10 of them, I think it makes sense to have the most populus, or important cities at the top of the list. In a previous post about British Empire civ, I suggested using fewer British cities (perhaps 5), and then the rest from Empire. My thought being that it would be unlikely that you'ld ever see the overseas cities as they were lower down the list. No you are right about the top of the list and that's why i placed the most important ones on the top, with the capital city being the first.

It would be nice if you guys can suggest some leader traits for Vikings, Celts, Babylonians and Carthagenians. Also great people names for those who don't have enough would be nice. So we can polish and pack the top 5 additions.

I hope someone mods these in soon, and I hope we can have all of them as potential civs. :goodjob:

I hope someone mods these in soon, and I hope we can have all of them as potential civs. :goodjob: We'd need some leaderheads as well, and that is going to be the toughest part I believe. The rest should be fairly easy with the World Builder and the XML.

Civilization : Israel / Hebrews

Leader : David - Spiritual and Expansive, favors Hereditary Rule
Solomon - Spiritual and Creative, favors Organized Religion
David Ben-Gurion - Organized and Industrial, favors Universal Suffrage
Golda Meir - Financial and Philosophical, favors Bureaucracy

Capital : Jerusalem

Flag : White, with Menorah emblem

Starting Techs : Mysticism, Agriculture

Great Scientists :

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets :

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit : Mossad, Merkava, Maccabee

Cities :

Jerusalem
Haifa
Tel-Aviv
Megiddo
Hebron
Jaffa
Ashkelon
Rishon L'Tzion
Eilat
Ashdod
Netanya
Akko
Beit Shemesh
Arad
Jericho
Bethlehem
Dimona
Ein Gedi
Afula
Bat Yam
Beersheva
Holon
Petach Tikvah
Safed
Hadera
Herzilya
Raanana
Kfar Saba
Ramat Gan
Rehovot
Ashkelon
Kiryat Gat
Nazareth
Carmiel
Kiryat Shemona
Metulla

Civilization : Abyssinia (Ethiopia)

Leader : Menelek II, Haile Selassie I

Capital : Aksum

Flag : Green, yellow and red tricolor

Starting Techs :

Great Scientists : Meles Zenawi

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets : Presbyter John, Frumentius, Saint Takla Haymanot

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit :

Cities :

Aksum
Matara
Zeila
Adulis
Jarma
Samidi
Gabaza
Sabat
Koloe
Qohayto
Tekondo
Walalah
Addis Ababa
Zala-Bet-Makada
Ham
Etchmara
Gulo-Makada
Haghero-Deragweh
Debre Berhan
Antsokia
Ankober
Entoto
Yeha
Dergouah
Henzat
Maryam Kedih
Anza
Hawzien
Degum
Malao
Opone
Apotopa
Acarre
Pare
Mouza
Ocelis
Napata
Meroe
Djbout
Asmara
Bahir Dar
Dire Dawa
Gamud
Debre Tabor
Asosa
Gambela
Adis Zemen
Nazret
Megalo
Gode
Werder
Geladi
Dolo
Maji
Murle
Tulu Welel
Gimbi
Nejo
Mek' ele
K'ebri Dehar
Degeh Bur
Dese
Imi
Himora
Ak'Ordat
Randa
Debre Birhan
Agaro
Shashemene
Aseb
Boorama
Barentu
Harer
Murle
Yabelo

Leader : Hannibal, Dido

Do we even know for a fact that Dido was a real person? Since the Romans only have Caesar, I don't think two Carthaginians are a priority.

I'm at a disadvantage in giving good suggestions, since I don't own the game, so I'm not sure about leader traits.

Hannibal strikes me as an agressive person. I personally think Caesar was organized, industrious, and other things, but he doesn't get any of them, which makes me wonder what Hannibal would get. I'd probably say Agressive and Organized. The Carthaginians are financial, but I wouldn't necessarily attribute that to Hannibal.

Capital : Carthage

Flag : Palm tree on burgundy

I personally like Rome Total War's symbol a lot (the crescent moon facing upwards with a circle below it). It could be too arabic, though.

I've never seen this palm tree thing before, but I don't know if my idea is any better or worse.

Starting Techs :

Still at a disadvantage with my knowledge. Maybe Fishing and the Wheel

Great Scientists :

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets :

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

I'd have to think about these.

Unique Unit : War Elephant

I'd disagree here. Carthage's use of War Elephants have been vastly overrated in my opinion. I still think Numidian Horsemen are the best idea (and I've thought it since PTW). Not sure how to differentiate it from the Keshik, but it would probably replace Horse Archers.

Cities :

Carthage
Utica
Malaca
Caralis
Panormus
Leptis Parva
Cartenna
Rusicade
Gades
Rusucurru
Girba
Leptis Magna
Carthago Nova
Oea
Tingis
Rusaddir
Alalia
Selinus
Himera
Akragas
Theveste
Saguntum
Carteia
Mainake
Sexi
Abdera
Lixus
Hippo Regius
Hadrumentum
Sabrata
Soleis
Motya
Tharros
Sulcis
Nora
Mago
Palma
Ebusus
Kinyps
Melite
Lilybaeum
Tangier
Algiers
Tripoli
Sijilmasa
Casablanca
Tamanrasset
Saldae
Rusguniae
Thaenae
al-Kaf
Zouchis
Gigthis
Tacape
Zama

Seem fine :)

Do we even know for a fact that Dido was a real person? Since the Romans only have Caesar, I don't think two Carthaginians are a priority.... Hannibal strikes me as an agressive person. I personally think Caesar was organized, industrious, and other things, but he doesn't get any of them, which makes me wonder what Hannibal would get. I'd probably say Agressive and Organized. The Carthaginians are financial, but I wouldn't necessarily attribute that to Hannibal.... Carthage's use of War Elephants have been vastly overrated in my opinion. I still think Numidian Horsemen are the best idea (and I've thought it since PTW).
Thank you very much for all of your suggestions. Every suggestion is muchly appreciated.

What I'm trying to do in this database is to stick to historical facts as much as I can while modding these orphan civilizations in a way to make them popular, by including popular figures in history or popular myth. Hannibal was a statesman and general, but he's the only popular Carthagenian person. As is Dido, since she appears in many early Greek and Roman sources, some like respectable Virgil. She's considered as founding queen of Carthage and I think that should be enough for a fun mod that tries to revive an ancient civilization whose written records are long forgotten. Besides it's always nice to have a few extra ladies in our diplomacy screen. :)
About Romans having only Caesar, that's a shame. I'm a strong believer in presenting the players with as much diversity as possible. I'm sure they can add more leaders for Romans. If no one comes with a better idea (which I'm sure everyone has one when it comes to Romans) I will add Berlusconi as I'm a personal fan of his. ;)

The same popular idea goes for War Elephants. I'm not against Numidian Horseman but Hannibal's elephants were the subject of many popular stories all through the middle ages up until today. I believe they should be given some priority for these reasons, but I will place Numidian Horesman as a second UU.
I personally like Rome Total War's symbol a lot (the crescent moon facing upwards with a circle below it). It could be too arabic, though. I've never seen this palm tree thing before, but I don't know if my idea is any better or worse.
It has been suggested in this thread that palm trees would represent Carthage better, and after making some research on Carthagenian coins (which you can find here (http://ancient-coins.com/articles/carthage/carthage2.htm#410-390%20BC:%20The%20First%20Carthaginian%20Coin)) I have concluded to have either a palm tree or a horse under a palm tree as their flag. It seems that Carthagenians loved horses (which is a good sign for their Numidian Horseman UU) and they lived under the palm trees. :lol: There are some other animals like elephants and crabs as well as some crops, but horses and palms appear like in almost every coin through their histrory.

for the vikings, i whold use the biserker agin, it was a very good uu...


i whold personly use it to replace the maceman, or the ax man
give him the same stats, but insted of a 20% *or 25%* advantage aginst foot troops, i whold give it a 50% along with amphibius asult.maby even 25+ city atack
* whold that be too over powering??*

Civilization : Australia

Leader : Gogh Whitlam

Capital : Canberra

Flag : The Australian Flag

Starting Techs : Hunting, Fishing

Great Scientists : ????

Great Merchants : ????

Great Prophets : ????

Great Artists : ????

Great Engineers : ????

Unique Unit : Dig Infantry (more defensive Infantry)

Cities :

Canberra
Sydney
Tasmania
Melbourne
Wollongong (my father's home town)
Brisbane
more, but I can't be bothered to remember any more right now...:)

for the vikings, i whold use the biserker agin, it was a very good uu...


i whold personly use it to replace the maceman, or the ax man
give him the same stats, but insted of a 20% *or 25%* advantage aginst foot troops, i whold give it a 50% along with amphibius asult.maby even 25+ city atack
* whold that be too over powering??*

I like the berserkers as well, added to the Vikings. I need to wait and see the game files first to code the unit stats.

Civilization : Australia
...
Unique Unit : Dig Infantry (more defensive Infantry)

Cities :

Canberra
Sydney
Tasmania
Melbourne
Wollongong (my father's home town)
Brisbane
more, but I can't be bothered to remember any more right now...:)

dalek master; I know more Aussie cities than that and i haven't even been there yet. And you say your father's home town is over there, shame on you ;) put on some more cities. :) lol, kidding. Can you explain the dig infantry please.

dalek master; I know more Aussie cities than that and i haven't even been there yet. And you say your father's home town is over there, shame on you ;) put on some more cities. :) lol, kidding. Can you explain the dig infantry please.

It represents the Australian Military during wartime-australia. A nicer name than "anzac infantry", as "anzac" may be an unpopluar word umong aussies.

Leader : Hannibal, Dido

Capital : Carthage

Flag : Palm tree on burgundy

Starting Techs :

Great Scientists :

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets :

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit : War Elephant, Numidian Horseman

...



Would the following be correct? I think that is the way it is in Conquests.

Starting Techs :Alphabet and Masonry


Great Scientists : Bomilcar, Tanit, Eshmuniaton


Unique Unit : Numidian Mercenary

Civilization : Serbia

Leader : Dusan

Capital : Belgrade

Flag : Red, Blue, White with 2-headed eagle

Starting Techs : Agriculture, Archery

Great Scientists : Nikola Tesla, Mihailo Pupin, Mileva Pavlovic (Albert Einstein's wife, great in physics herself, that he took most of his ideas from)

Great Merchants : Cirilo, Milutin, Nemanja,

Great Prophets : , Njegos, St. Sava, St. Nikola, St. Stefan

Great Artists : Zdravko Colic, Weird Al Yankovic :), Vlade Divac

Great Engineers : Ratko, Radovan, Momcilo

Unique Unit : Chetniks (guerilla that were fighting for king in WWII against both germans and communists)

Cities :

Belgrade (Capital)
Novi Sad
Nis
Podgorica
Banja Luka
Kragujevac
Sabac
Cacak
Trebinje
Srpsko Sarajevo
Subotica
Cetinje
Niksic
Vranje
Pristina (kosovo IS Serbia)
Smederevo
Zrenjanin
UZice
Kraljevo
Leskovac
Pirot
Budva
Zajecar
Negotin
Herceg novi
Pljevlja
Kos. Mitrovica
Kotor
Bor
Pancevo

It represents the Australian Military during wartime-australia. A nicer name than "anzac infantry", as "anzac" may be an unpopluar word umong aussies. Oh I got it, but i didn't know ANZAC would be unpopular as there's an ANZAC Memorial Day in Galippoli (Turkey) every year and the Aussies are always present with their highest representatives like Prime Minister and many Aussies travel across the world to attend it.

Would the following be correct? I think that is the way it is in Conquests.
Starting Techs :Alphabet and Masonry

Great Scientists : Bomilcar, Tanit, Eshmuniaton

Unique Unit : Numidian Mercenary
Thanks for the ideas. Added the techs and scientists. I think I placed Numidian Horseman which are mercenaries already. Let me know if that doesn't work.

Civilization: Portugal

Leader: - D. Afonso Henriques (Founder and first King of Portugal – Expansive and Agressive)
- Infante D. Henrique (Prince Henry) (Starter of the Age of Discovery - Expansive and Organized)

Capital: Lisboa (Lisbon)

Flag: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/pt).html, http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/pt-1143.html

Starting Techs:

Great Scientists: Egas Moniz (nobel prize of medicine), Pedro Nunes (mathematics, astronomy),
Bento de Jesus Caraça (mathematics), António Damásio (medicine),
Daniel Sampaio (medicine), Garcia da Orta (biology)

Great Merchants: (I put the portuguese great navigators, from age of discovery here,
I think they fit, dont really know the meaning of tycoon)
Vasco da Gama, Pedro Álvares Cabral, Fernão de Magalhães, Gil Eanes, Bartolomeu Dias.

Great Prophets: Padeira de Aljubarrota (Woman baker), Irmã Lúcia (Sister),
António de Pádua (Santo António) (Saint), Papa João XXI (Pope), Padre António Vieira (Priest)

Great Artists: Vasco Santana (cinema), Manoel de Oliveira (cinema), Luis vaz de Camões (literature),
Gil Vicente (literature), Almeida Garrett (literature), Eça de Queiroz (literature),
Fernando Pessoa (literature), José Saramago (nobel prize of literature),
Amália Rodrigues (music), Zeca Afonso (music), Carlos Paredes (music),
Maria João Pires (music), João Cutileiro (arts), Vieira da Silva (arts)

Great Engineers: Marquês de Pombal, Fontes Pereira de Melo, Siza Vieira, Edgar Cardoso, Fernando Távora

Unique Unit: Nau (Carrack) or
one from here (hard to choose):
http://www.viriatus.com/catalog.asp?Escala=54&Per=Z (since I only see ground units in civ4)


Cities:

Lisboa
Porto
Faro
Guimarães
Coimbra
Braga
Beja
Setúbal
Leiria
Aveiro
Guarda
Bragança
Ponta Delgada
Portalegre
Évora
Viseu
Vila Real
Viana do Castelo
Santarém
Funchal
Goa
Damão
Diu
Ceuta
Luanda
Lourenço Marques
Bissau
Praia

Confederate States:

Leader : Jefferson Davis, Woodrow Wilson

Capital : Richmond

Flag : 1st Confederate National Flag ( Red/White Fields, Blue Circle with white Stars)

Starting Techs :Agriculture, horseback riding

Great Scientists : George Washington Carver, Matthew Fontaine Maury

Great Merchants : Howard Hughes, Etienne de Bore

Great Prophets : MLK Jr,

Great Artists : Louis Armstrong, Elvis Presley

Great Engineers : Merewether Lewis (admittedly my knowledge is weak here, but he did find a way west to the pacific, so I'm sure he built a canoe or something along the way)

Unique Unit : Mounted Infantry, or Early Sub.

Cities :
Atlanta
Nashville
Macon
Jacksonville
Chattanooga
Knoxville
Little Rock
Houston
Dallas
Baton Rouge
Jackson
Charlotte
Charleston
Birmingham
Huntsville
Pensicola
Key West
Memphis
Fort Smith
Murfreesboro
Raleigh
Winston-Salem
Greensboro
Tulsa
Muskogee
Oaklahoma City
Auburn
Montgomery
Tuscaloosa
Selma
Tallahassee
Tampa
Gainsville
Cape Canaveral
Savannah
Dalton
Pine Bluff
El Dorado
Vicksburg
Meridian
Natchez
Biloxi
Gulfport
Sumter
Shreveport
Lake Charles
Lynchburg
Norfolk
Arlington
Kingsport
Lubbok
El Paso
Amarillo
Corpus Christi

Civilization : Canada

Leader : William Lyon Mackenzie King
Pierre Trudeau

Capital : Ottowa
Flag : base red flag with a white square in its centre, featuring a red stylized 11-pointed maple leaf.

Great Scientists :Maude Abbott, Wilder Penfield, Hugh Le Caine, Gerald Hefferman, E.W.R. Steace, Frederick Banting

Great Merchants : Ken Thomson, Galen Weston, Jeff Skoll, John Irving

Great Prophets :

Great Artists : Pamela Anderson, Mike Myers, David Foley, Shania Twain, Celine Dion, William Shatner

Great Engineers : Reginald A. Fessenden, Sir Sanford Fleming, Elijah McCoy

Unique Unit : Mountie
Cities :

Toronto
Montréal
Vancouver
Ontario
Edmonton
Calgary
Quebéc
Winnipeg
Hamilton
London
Kitchener
St Catharines-Niagara
Halifax
Victoria
Windsor

To add to his 15.

St. John's
Gander
North Sydney
Lunenburg
Yarmouth
Fredrickton
Moncton
Charlottetown
Trois-Riviers
Hull
Sudbury
North Bay
Mississauga
Thunder Bay
Sault Ste Marie
Saskatoon
Moose Jaw
Red Deer
Yellow Knife
White Horse
Iqaluit
Alert
Prince George
Banff
Stewart
Guelph
Inuvik
Churchill
Sherbrooke
Chicoutimi
Regina
Kelowna
Medicine Hat
Kamloops
Lethbridge
Victoria -- Or is this too common
Brandon
Portage La Prarie
Flin Flon
Sept-Iles

How many of each group should we try to have at a minimum? and at a max?

For cities 25-50?
Each category of great people 10-20?

Louis Riel should be a great prophet. There are a few Canadian saints too but I don't know them off of the top of my head.

Great Artists: Micheal J. Fox, Maragret Atwood, Robert Service, Tom Thompson (the rest of the group of 7),

And one minor correction it's Ottawa.

St. John's
Gander
North Sydney
Lunenburg
Yarmouth
Fredrickton
Moncton
Charlottetown
Trois-Riviers
Hull
Sudbury
North Bay
Mississauga
Thunder Bay
Sault Ste Marie
Saskatoon
Moose Jaw
Red Deer
Yellow Knife
White Horse
Iqaluit
Alert
Prince George
Banff
Stewart
Guelph
Inuvik
Churchill
Sherbrooke
Chicoutimi
Regina
Kelowna
Medicine Hat
Kamloops
Lethbridge
Victoria -- Or is this too common
Brandon
Portage La Prarie
Flin Flon
Sept-Iles


Alert, Yarmouth, and Iqaluit before Regina and Victoria?

wtb byzantium =)

We'd need some leaderheads as well, and that is going to be the toughest part I believe. The rest should be fairly easy with the World Builder and the XML.

I always thought they were hard to make. Somehow, though, we got tons of leaders from the fans for Civ3, I think Civ4 will do just fine.....

The same popular idea goes for War Elephants. I'm not against Numidian Horseman but Hannibal's elephants were the subject of many popular stories all through the middle ages up until today. I believe they should be given some priority for these reasons, but I will place Numidian Horesman as a second UU.

Little known fact is that, of the Elephants that crossed the Alps, all of them died by the second or third battle (many of them just dying in the crossing). The only one that survived was the one Hannibal road. The only place Hannibal got to really try out Elephants against the Romans was at Zama, where he lost (the Elephants were the reason he lost, since Scipio had figured out how to defend against them and caused them to panic and stampede across Hannibal's own troops). The most effective use of Carthaginian Elephants against Rome predates Hannibal and would have been in the first punic war.

BTW, after looking at some information about different units, one thing I think Numidian Horsemen should get is a withdraw ability (from what I hear, Horse Archers do not). I'm not sure what the Horse Archer gets, but the Keshik gets first stike, so I think they should get it as well. So that would be 6 strength, 2 movement, 25% retreat chance. Not sure how powerful that is, don't want it to completely outclass contemporary units (especially Roman Praetorians).

It has been suggested in this thread that palm trees would represent Carthage better, and after making some research on Carthagenian coins (which you can find here (http://ancient-coins.com/articles/carthage/carthage2.htm#410-390%20BC:%20The%20First%20Carthaginian%20Coin)) I have concluded to have either a palm tree or a horse under a palm tree as their flag. It seems that Carthagenians loved horses (which is a good sign for their Numidian Horseman UU) and they lived under the palm trees. :lol: There are some other animals like elephants and crabs as well as some crops, but horses and palms appear like in almost every coin through their histrory.

OK, than that's cool :)

Alert, Yarmouth, and Iqaluit before Regina and Victoria?
I suppose I should have ordered them by importance, or at least by aproximate founding date. Instead I just went east to west and then realized I was doing provincial capitals too.


Here is an ordered list by aprox size/importance. Starting with capitals and fixed a few spleling mistakes.

Ottawa

Provincial Capitals

Toronto
Québec
Edmonton
Winnipeg
Halifax
St. John's
Victoria
Regina
Fredricton
Charlottetown

Territorial Capitals

Yellowknife
Whitehorse
Iqaluit

The non-capital important cities

Montréal
Vancouver
Calgary
Mississauga

The rest in no particular order

Saskatoon
Moose Jaw
Red Deer
London
Kitchener
Windsor
Gander
Churchill
Sherbrooke
Chicoutimi
Kelowna
North Sydney
Lunenburg
Moncton
Trois-Riviers
Gatineau
Sudbury
North Bay
Thunder Bay
Hamilton
Sault Ste Marie
Brandon
Portage La Prarie
Alert
Prince George
Banff
Yarmouth
Stewart
Guelph
Inuvik
Medicine Hat
Kamloops
Lethbridge
Sept-Iles
Squamish
Flin Flon
Punkydoodles Corner

Ok some of those may be on there for my amusement :D

Some more prophets care of Wikipedia: Jean de Brébeuf, Noël Chabanel,Antoine Daniel, Charles Garnier, René Goupil, Isaac Jogues, Jean de Lalande, Gabriel Lalemant.

Unique Unit : Numidian Mercenary

One thing about PTW's Numidian Mercenary is that they intentionally misnamed it. Carthage was a rich nation that depended completely on hiring mercenaries. They used Spanish troops, Phoenician troops (from other Punic cities besides Carthage herself, which was exempt from serving), and even Celtic troops (Hannibal especially relied on them to take the blunt of Roman attacks because many of his soldiers died crossing the alps and he could readily replenish them). But a good portion were African. The Numidian tribes that lived near by were good for light cavalry (such as the javelin throwing horsemen they were famous for). But their foot soldiers weren't very good, being mostly lightly armed skirmishers. The bulk of the heavy infantry were Pikemen from Libya. Firaxis was going to call Carthage's uu the Libyan Mercenary (check the INI file, it still says Libyan Mercenary). Unfortunately, Libyan Mercenary sounds like some kind of terrorist, so they changed it to Numidian Mercenary.

EDIT: Need to comment on this

Starting Techs :Alphabet and Masonry

Isn't Alphabet later in Civ4? Do civs really start with stuff so advanced? Since Carthage is historically a mercantilistic power than dominated the mediteranian, I figure they have to start with fishing, so they can get sailing easily. The Phoenicians (who founded Carthage) are the origins of our modern alphabet, so the other tech besides fishing probably should be something that leads to Alphabet. The Wheel works well, since they are from the Middle East).

Isn't Alphabet later in Civ4? Do civs really start with stuff so advanced? Since Carthage is historically a mercantilistic power than dominated the mediteranian, I figure they have to start with fishing, so they can get sailing easily. The Phoenicians (who founded Carthage) are the origins of our modern alphabet, so the other tech besides fishing probably should be something that leads to Alphabet. The Wheel works well, since they are from the Middle East).

Yes alphabet is later, it's in the classical age. That aside being the only civ that starts with the ability to trade tech for a good 50 turns or so would just be too powerful. I wouldn't start with something that far in, but you could if you wanted. With the way it's setup you could start with any tech, building or unit or all of them for that matter.

It does sound powerful. I think Fishing and the Wheel would work well (its what Japan has, for what its worth).

I hadn't had the game at that point, now that I own my very copy (thank you :) ) I will fix the alphabet problem. The techs ladder is in front of me and they are so not getting alphabet that early, lol :).

So it turns out we won't be needing so many Great People for each seperate civilization as they are drawn from a generic pool. So it doesn't matter which civ you are playing, you'll get the same names. So you are getting Saint Paul for Muslim Prophet and so on. At least it's less work for us until someone codes through Phyton to have them seperate.

So it turns out we won't be needing so many Great People for each seperate civilization as they are drawn from a generic pool. So it doesn't matter which civ you are playing, you'll get the same names. So you are getting Saint Paul for Muslim Prophet and so on. At least it's less work for us until someone codes through Phyton to have them seperate.That's dissapointing... But one could imagine the difficulty of coming up with great people for some civs, such as Inca for example.
Even so, I hope someone mods this soon, the civs are already generic enough.

That's dissapointing... But one could imagine the difficulty of coming up with great people for some civs, such as Inca for example.
Even so, I hope someone mods this soon, the civs are already generic enough. If they really wanted they could have easily found some Inca great people through a web search or a visit to local library. I mean look at us finding all this information in like 4 days by ourselves. And we do this as a hobby, like none of us gets paid for this. :)
All in all i played and finished a tiny world scenario and i like the game a lot. There's a lot of room for improvement. But on the other hand it's obvious that the game was not ready for release as it's full of bugs. Half of my initial wonders were already obselete by the time i built them.
In-game graphics are real good, on the other hand every other graphic sucks. There are no advisor graphics (could be modded by us). Diplomacy screen is chaotic as well as other side screens. Civ III interface is ten times better plus very user-friendly. I couldn't get to see Diplomacy Victory video (if there is one). End game graphics and interface are still behind Civ III.
But again, these are all moddable, and the main concept is ok, and we definately have more options, so i'll just be patient.

Oh I got it, but i didn't know ANZAC would be unpopular as there's an ANZAC Memorial Day in Galippoli (Turkey) every year and the Aussies are always present with their highest representatives like Prime Minister and many Aussies travel across the world to attend it.

then chagne it to "anzac infantry then". I always though anzac day was more grim than that, being the memorial for a massacre.

then chagne it to "anzac infantry then". I always though anzac day was more grim than that, being the memorial for a massacre. There wasn't a massacre afaik. Gallipoli was a front of the First World War when British Empire and her allies decided to make a landfall on Gallipoli peninsula when the allied navy could not pass through the Dardanelles to occupy Istanbul. The eight month-long struggle between the Allies and Turkish forces is known as the Battle of Gallipoli. So serious were the casualties on both sides, that Winston CHURCHILL, Lord of the Navy at the time, was removed from his office and had to stay out of politics until WWII. On the other hand, Gallipoli was a fair battle in which both Turks and Anzac soldiers gained respect for eachother. Both sides were observing the old chivalrious rules of the war in a time of despair. This is what Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (Turkish General at Gallipoli, then revolutionary leader and first President) said after the war:

" Those heroes that shed their blood and
lost their lives...! You are now lying in
the soul of a friendly country, therefore
rest in peace. There is no differences between
the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they
lie side by side here in this country of ours...

You, the mothers who sent their sons from far away
countries wipe away your tears. Your sons are now
lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having
lost their lives on this land they have become
our sons as well."

Can someone try to describe Canadian UU mountie with it's abilities? Oh, we all know how cool they look like, but do they have firearms and such?

To add to his 15....How many of each group should we try to have at a minimum? and at a max?

For cities 25-50?
Each category of great people 10-20?

Louis Riel should be a great prophet. There are a few Canadian saints too but I don't know them off of the top of my head.

Great Artists: Micheal J. Fox, Maragret Atwood, Robert Service, Tom Thompson (the rest of the group of 7),

And one minor correction it's Ottawa.

I'll definitely be making a Canadian Civ (without leaderheads because I cannot do graphics :).

I'll likely go with:

Leader: Pierre Elliot Trudeau, Sir John A. MacDonald

Capital: Ottawa; Flag: white with red maple leaf (need help for graphic)

Scientists:
Frederick Banting (NP medicine); Gerhard Herzberg (NP chemistry); John Polanyi (NP chemistry); Michael Smith (NP chemistry); Sid Altman (NP chemistry); Abraham Gesner (kerosene); Roberta Bondar (astronaut); Sir William Osler (physician)

Merchant:
Louis B. Mayer (movies); W.C. Van Horne (railway); Roy Thompson (media); Galen Weston (grocery); K.C. Irving (oil); Joseph-Armand Bombardier (airplanes/snowmobile); Timothy Eaton (dept stores)

Prophet:
St. Marguerite Bourgeoys; Saint Marguerite d'Youville; Blessed Brother André; Kateri Tekakwitha; Marshall McLuhan (theorist); Charles Taylor (humanist philosopher); Norman Bethune (humanitarian)

Artists:
Emily Carr (painter); Tom Thomson (painter); Yousef Karsh (photographer); Charles Daudelain (sculptor); Maragret Atwood (author); Robertson Davies (author); Glenn Gould (composer); Karen Kain (dancer)

Engineers:
Frank Gehry (architect); Ernest Cormier (engineer); Joseph-Armand Bombardier (engineer/inventor); Moshie Safdie (architect); Sir Sanford Fleming (standard time); Sir William Logan (geologist); Elsie McGill (engineer)

UU: Mountie is a possibility, but I'd go with Canada Corps (WWI infantry)

Cities:
(note: you need fewer of these in Civ4 than you did in Civ3, as I understand; these are based on 1) size, 2) capitals, 3) regional rep)

- Ottawa
- Toronto
- Montreal
- Vancouver
- Edmonton
- Calgary
- Winnipeg
- Quebec City
- Halifax
- Regina
- Hamilton
- Victoria
- St. John's
- Mississauga
- Saskatoon
- Sault Ste Marie (my hometown, so...)
- Fredericton
- Whitehorse
- Charlottetown
- Yellowknife
- Iqaluit
- Kitchener
- Saint John
- Trois-Rivieres
- St. Catharines
- Saguenay
- Sudbury
- Kelowna
- Brandon

Again, the above list is not just based on size, but tries to give some regional flavour. Other bigger cities include Laval, Oshawa, Kingston, Thunder Bay, Sherbrooke, Richmond.

Windsor and London are hard to add because they are both used by ENG.

Can someone try to describe Canadian UU mountie with it's abilities? Oh, we all know how cool they look like, but do they have firearms and such?

Modern "Mounties" ride in cars and carry pistols. :)

But the "Red Serge" mounties of the 1880s (the ones people think of when they think 'mounties') usually did not carry weapons.

Modern "Mounties" ride in cars and carry pistols. :)

But the "Red Serge" mounties of the 1880s (the ones people think of when they think 'mounties') usually did not carry weapons. Well they should still have a firepower of some sort if we're considering them as a modern/industrial UU for Canada, no?

There wasn't a massacre afaik. Gallipoli was a front of the First World War when British Empire and her allies decided to make a landfall on Gallipoli peninsula when the allied navy could not pass through the Dardanelles to occupy Istanbul. The eight month-long struggle between the Allies and Turkish forces is known as the Battle of Gallipoli. So serious were the casualties on both sides, that Winston CHURCHILL, Lord of the Navy at the time, was removed from his office and had to stay out of politics until WWII. On the other hand, Gallipoli was a fair battle in which both Turks and Anzac soldiers gained respect for eachother. Both sides were observing the old chivalrious rules of the war in a time of despair. This is what Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (Turkish General at Gallipoli, then revolutionary leader and first President) said after the war:

" Those heroes that shed their blood and
lost their lives...! You are now lying in
the soul of a friendly country, therefore
rest in peace. There is no differences between
the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they
lie side by side here in this country of ours...

You, the mothers who sent their sons from far away
countries wipe away your tears. Your sons are now
lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having
lost their lives on this land they have become
our sons as well."

Ok genius. You win.

Other Cities: Richmond, Charleston, New Orleans, Savannah, Nashville, Birmingham, Jackson, Memphis (will probably be gone by the time you get to it b/c of Egyptians), Chattanooga, Willaimsburg and St. Augustine (very Old South), Charlotte and Arlington (representing the New South).

In Alabama, Birmingham was not even founded until after the Civil War was over. Yet, Mobile was the 4th largest city in the confederacy, and Montgomery was its first capital.

If you want Old South, don't forget smaller towns like Vicksburg & Natchez(MS), Charlottesville & Petersburg (VA), & Galveston TX. Also, San Antonio TX was the site of a major battle in the Mexican War, so it was an important town by 1861.

New South: some of the fastest growing towns are Clarksville and Murfreesboro TN; Raleigh & Durham in NC; Auburn AL; Fayetteville AR; and just about anyplace in Florida and Texas!

Another Confederate city to consider is Norfolk.

/Virginian

Well they should still have a firepower of some sort if we're considering them as a modern/industrial UU for Canada, no?

Absolutely. I was just mentioning it in a historical context.

So it turns out we won't be needing so many Great People for each seperate civilization as they are drawn from a generic pool. So it doesn't matter which civ you are playing, you'll get the same names. So you are getting Saint Paul for Muslim Prophet and so on. At least it's less work for us until someone codes through Phyton to have them seperate.

I noticed that too, but I think there is still value in taking some inventory for civ-specific people now because there may be a mod to address this later.

I agree with the comment that civs are currently too generic as is.

Civilization : Latvia

Leader : Karlis Ulmanis

Capital : Riga

Flag : 3 horizontal lines. Dark red white dark red. The dark red was maron colour. The white line is bit thiner than the 2red lines

Starting Techs : agiculture, fishing

Great Scientists : Janis Stradins, Karlis Zale, Peteris Kuga

Great Merchants : Janis Kuze

Great Prophets : Biscap Albert

Great Artists : Krisjanis Barons, Janis Rainis, Juris Alunans, Vilhelms Purvits, Auseklis, Aleksandrs Grins

Great Engineers : Helmars Rudzits

Unique Unit : Latvian Archer (The WW1 Unit, the unit is similar to this time infanty unit but they gained bigest sucess in East Europe while they were just about 10'000 soldiers, they also gained Latvia indepandance.

Cities : Riga (capitol)
Jelgava
Ogre
Jurmala
Daugavpils
Sigulda
Tukums
Liepaja
Ventspils
Bauska
Limbazi
Cesis
Madona
Ligatne
Jekabpils
Rezekne
Smiltene
Dobele
Skrunda
Saldus
Broceni
Kuldiga
Priekule
Durbe
Aizpute
Grobina
Piltene
Valdemarpils
Talsi
Stende
Sabile
Kandava
Auce
Salaspils
Vangazi
Olaine
Baldone
Lielvarde
Ikskile
Slacgriva
Ainazi
Rujiena
Mazsalaca
Strenci
Valka
Cesvaine
Aizkraukle
Kraslava
Dagda
Plavinas
Aknikste
Balvi
Vilaki
Zilupe
Ape
Seda
Varaklani

Hi Latvian "Hound", thanks for the info, can you post also about the leader traits too? I'll soon start working on other leaders as well.

Civilization : Quebecois

Leader : Montcalme - Organised and aggresive
René Levesque - Organised and philosophical
Governor de Champlain - Financial (fur trade), Organized (native alliances)

Capital : Quebec

Flag : (blue fleur-de-lis on white) Québec's flag...

Starting Techs : Agriculture, Mysticism

Great Scientists :

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets :

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit : Patriote, FLQ guerilla?, Voyageur?, Régiment de Carignan?

Cities :

Québec
Trois-Rivières
Montreal

Unique Unit : Patriote, FLQ guerilla?, Voyageur?, Régiment de Carignan?

My first Canadian mod for Civ3 had the Voyageur as a UU. It would work well for Quebec (except that voyageurs historically numbered most in Ontario and Manitoba).

In my mod, it was an enhanced settler unit - could move a bit faster and had basic combat.

If sticking to history, the voyageur should get a woodlands bonus and improve commerce.

Thanks Tunch Khan for clearing up the Gallipoli thing.
Yes i am Australian. ANZAC stands for Australian and New Zealand Army Corps. Its not a grim thing, anzac day is just our war memorial day.

I'm not really sure if its really a unique unit, it was what we called our army. Not a paticular unit.

Civilization : Australia

Leader : Robert Menzies (er...conservative ish???)
Bob Hawke (er...leftish, populist kind of guy???)
Gough Whitlam

Capital : Canberra

Flag : Current Flag :Union Jack in left Corner on blue background with southern cross
OR (warning:contentious): Eureka Flag

Starting Techs : Agriculture, Horseback Riding

Great Scientists : Sir Howard Florey
Sir Frank MacFarlane Burnet

Great Merchants : Rupert Murdoch
Dick Smith

Great Prophets :

Great Artists : Banjo Patterson
Don Bradman

Great Engineers : John Bradfield

Unique Unit : The Light Horse (Cavallry australia cleared the turks out of egypt the middle east with in World War 1)

Cities :
Sydney
Melbourne
Adelaide
Brisbane
Darwin
Perth
Hobart
Newcastle
Wollongong
Dubbo
Alice Springs
Geelong
Alice Springs
Cairns
Townsville
Launceston
Broken Hill
Tamworth
Lismore
Nowra
Wagga Wagga
Coffs Harbour
Rockhampton
Mildura
Mackay
Toowoomba
Mount Isa
Bendigo
Gosford
Coonawarra
Broome
Katherine
Mount Gambier
Iron Knob (no seriously)
Oodnadatta
Port Augusta

I think Initals J.A. hit Australia right on the head. I agree with the choice of leaders having a Right, Central and Left Leaders is a good idea. Maybe putting George Pell as a Great Prophet. I really would not know any others.

I would put the Voyageur as the Canadian UU. Mounties are police, not military.

Mounties are tres cool though, so I suppose some ahistorical units can be forgiven in the name of fun factor.

I would pick CEF Infantry for the Canadian UU.

Montcalme - Organised and aggresive

Montcalme was a general, not a leader.

Civilization
Canada

Leader
Sir John A. MacDonald - Expansive(Westward expansion), Creative(Confederation)
Lester B. Pearson - Creative(Maple leaf flag), Philosophical(Nobel Prize)
Pierre Trudeau - Not sure of the traits

UU
CEF Infantry

Cities
Ottawa
Toronto
Montréal
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Québec
Winnipeg
Hamilton
London
Kitchener
St.Catharines
Halifax
Victoria
Windsor
Oshawa
Saskatoon
Regina
St. John's
Sudbury
Chicoutimi
Sherbrooke
Barrie
Kelowna
Abbotsford
Kingston
Trois-Rivières
Saint John
Thunder Bay
Moncton
Guelph
Sydney
Chatham
Peterborough
Sarnia
Belleville
Kamloops
Brantford
Nanaimo
Prince George
Fredericton
Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu
Sault Ste. Marie
Chilliwack
Kawartha
Drummondville
Red Deer
Lethbridge
North Bay
Medicine Hat

Flag
Red maple leaf on white background

My list for a Canadian civ.

Hi Latvian "Hound", thanks for the info, can you post also about the leader traits too? I'll soon start working on other leaders as well.

Hi,
I think Agicultural and Scientific

Thanks Tunch Khan for clearing up the Gallipoli thing.
Yes i am Australian. ANZAC stands for Australian and New Zealand Army Corps. Its not a grim thing, anzac day is just our war memorial day.

I'm not really sure if its really a unique unit, it was what we called our army. Not a paticular unit. Sure thing, Turks still respect the memories of Australian and New Zealander bravery and humanity even though they were initially an invasion force (contrary to other invading forces).

I would pick CEF Infantry for the Canadian UU.

Montcalme was a general, not a leader.
I am not an expert on Canada yet, ;) but i'm trying to gather the most popular ones. It's ok if majority of Canadians feel like Montcalme doesn't represent their civilization, then we'll drop him to the bottomless pit of forgotten generals :). Otherwise Hannibal was just a general too, not a ruler. And god knows how many generals did in fact become kings or presidents when the wind was blowing in the right direction :)
Julius Caesar, Napoleon, Ataturk, Franco, Washington and so on...

Civilization: Philippines

Leaders:

Emilio Aguinaldo (The First President, declared independence in Philippines, Confident and Perfectionist)
Ferdinand E. Marcos (President for 20 years, Very Wise and Very Intelligent)
Corazon C. Aquino (The First Female President, Cunning and Smart)

Great Scientists: Gregorio Zara, Pedro Escuro, Agapito Flores, Pedro Flores, Jose Rodriguez, Carmen Velasquez, Daniel Dingel, Fe del Mundo, Roberto del Rosario, Eduardo San Juan

Heroes: Jose Rizal, Ferdinand Magellan, Gregorio Del Pilar, Tandang Sora, Andres Bonifacio, Marcelo Del Pilar, Apolinario Mabini, Lapu-Lapu, Gomburza

Starting Techs: Agriculture & Hunting

Flag Description: Two equal horizontal bands of blue (top) and red with a white equilateral triangle based on the hoist side; in the center of the triangle is a yellow sun with eight primary rays (each containing three individual rays) and in each corner of the triangle is a small yellow five-pointed star. Actual Flag: http://www.msc.edu.ph/centennial/g10.gif

Unique Unit: Philippine Special Ops Infantry

Capital: Manila

Cities: (Using Provinces, because there's too many Cities)

Manila
Cebu
Agusan del Norte
Albay
Basilan
Bataan
Batangas
Benguet
Bohol
Bukidnon
Bulacan
Cagayan
Camarines Sur
Capiz
Cavite
Cotabato
Davao
Davao del Sur
Ilocos Norte
Ilocos Sur
Iloilo
Isabela
La Union
Laguna
Lanao del Norte
Lanao del Sur
Leyte province
Maguindanao
Masbate
Misamis Occidental
Misamis Oriental
Negros Occidental
Negros Oriental
Nueva Ecija
Oriental Mindoro
Palawan Puerto
Pampanga
South Cotabato
Zamboanga del Norte
Zamboanga del Sur

Civilization: The Netherlands/Holland (United Provinces/Kingdom of the Netherlands) - preferred forms of government: Republic/Constitutional Monarchy, one of the great colonial powers that dominated the 17th century with it's wealth and naval power.

Leaders:

William of Orange - Father of the fatherland
Queen Wilhelmina - Dutch monarch during WW2
Johan de Wit - Stadthouder and opponent of the aristocratic House of Orange-Nassau (current royal family)

Great Scientists:
Christiaan Huygens, Anton van Leeuwenhoek, Anthony Fokker, Jan Swammerdam, Desiderius Erasmus, Baruch Spinoza


Heroes: Michiel de Ruyter, Maarten Tromp, Karel Doorman, Piet Hein, Cornelis Tromp, Maurits van Nassau, Gaius Julius Civilis (batavian chieftain/rebel),

Artists: Vincent van Gogh, Rembrandt van Rijn, Johannes Vermeer,
Piet Mondriaan, Frans Hals, M.C. Escher, Karel Appel, Paul Verhoeven


[B]Starting Techs: Agriculture & Fishing(?)

Flag Description: Three horizontal bands, Red-White-Blue (from top to bottom), historically: Orange-White-Blue. It's the oldest flag in use.

Unique Unit: This would most likely have to be a naval vessel, both the British and the Dutch lay claim to inventing the Battle of the Line, naval tactics, so a ship of the line could be an option, alternatively a dutch merchantmant (fluyt?), which could be faster and having more hitpoints.

Capital: Amsterdam

Cities:
Rotterdam
Den Haag (The Hague)
Utrecht (roman era: Trajectum ad Rhenum)
Leiden
Dordrecht
Nijmegen (roman era: Ulpia Noviomagus)
Delft
Alkmaar
Groningen
Vlissingen
Den Helder
Eindhoven
Den Bosch
Amersfoort
Leeuwarden
Enschede
Zandvoort
Texel
Zwolle
Maastricht
Venlo
Hilversum
Bussum
Naarden
Nieuw-Amsterdam (modern day new york)
Fort Orange/Oranje (albany)
Curacao/Willemstad
St.Maarten
Aruba
Paramaribo
Batavia (Jakarta)
Johannesburg
Nieuwegein
Almere
Breda
Vlaardingen
Batavodorum (roman era, Batavii/Batavian capital)
Tilburg
Helmond
Zaanstad
Arnhem
Assen
Hoorn
Hengelo
Almelo
Ede
Doetinchem
Lelystad
Zeist
Roosendaal
Bergen op Zoom

(note: these cities are not in historical order, and are incomplete, if anyone feels like adding anything feel free to do so)

Civilization: The Netherlands/Holland (United Provinces/Kingdom of the Netherlands) - preferred forms of government: Republic/Constitutional Monarchy, one of the great colonial powers that dominated the 17th century with it's wealth and naval power.

Welcome to CFC lawine :)

I just modded the Dutch with William of Orange in (see thread I started; I gave him agriculture and fishing as starting techs btw :lol: ); the mod still needs work on a lot of things, but I feel I understand how the files work together.

I've started a Canada mod thread for anyone interested.

Tunch Khan, thanks for getting the ball rolling here.

Don't mean to be critical but Austri-Hungary was never a cilvilization!!! The two Empires were joined thru marriage but later the Hungarians revolted (somewhat unsuccesfully) and where able to control their own country while still being part of the Empire. (That is what the Serbs where trying to do when the first world war came around.) And in the end Hungary got screwed over and had 2/3 of their land taken from them. (After WWI that is)
Sorry, didn't mean to give a history lesson but since being a Hungarian it does push my buttons in a not so good way. Hungary should be added in but please do some researche before you do. Thank you. :)

What I was thinking was that we could get an extensive list of civilizations, including the ones used as barbarians, then include every civ's capital as a barbarian city. That way every major power gets a chance to be represented in each game of civ. Maybe include each regional power (e.g. Rome and Etruria, Germany and Austria, and Mali, Ghana, and Songhay, etc.)

Hm, perhaps August Strindberg would be a more reasonable choice than Abba, for the swedish civ ;) Also i think that Knut Hamsun was swedish too.

For a scandinavian civ you could also add Ibsen and Grieg

Since Hamsun decided to support the nazis during WW2, most norwegians might think we're better of if the world believes he's swedish. But he's not. Born and bread norwegian. Great author. Him and Vidkun Quisling are by many considered traitors and the black sheep of Norway. http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/khamsun.htm

Other norwegian/scandinavian characters

Thor Heyerdahl - Great adventurer = scientist/engineer (the raft and viking boat replica)
Fridtjof Nansen - Great explorer = scientist
Leif Ericson - Discovered America(theoretically) = scientist or merchant
Roald Amundsen - First man to the south pole = scientist/engineer
Niels Abel - mathematician = scientist
Edvard Munch - "The Scream" = artist
Henrik Ibsen - playwright = artist
Edvard Grieg - composer = artist
Sonia Henie - skater/moviestar (became american at age of 29) = artist
Liv Ullman - Actress/Director/Writer/Humanitarian = artist

For those doing mods, these links might help
http://www.mnc.net/norway/
http://www.sweden.se/templates/cs/SASTopic____2410.aspx?launched=true

cities that could be added of historic value Christiania(became Oslo), Bergen (trade), Stavanger (oil)

Looks like you guys have a nice place here at civfanatics. Just joined, 1st post. Hi all! :-)

-
Chris

Montcalme - Organised and aggresive

I said same thing on an 'old' thread for québec... made the same mistake... However i did a little search and learned that he was a french military officer, and was only called to Québec because the other died or something... She he didn't do much leading in quebec, just faught some battles and lost in the historic battle on the 'plaines d'abrahams'. Before that, he just faught in europe... Historic? yeah. Worthy of being a military leader (like in civ 3)? Yeah. Worthy of being a leader for a civ? Nah...

Oh well, back to my search of appropriate leaders for Québec...

I have't read all 7 pages and it may already be in here, but here's my suggestion for The Netherlands, as complete as I can think of.

Official Name: The Kingdom of The Netherlands
Short Official Name: The Netherlands
Adjective: Dutch



First Leader.
Name: William of Orange.
Stats: Financial, Organized
Govt: Favors Heredtary Rule

Second Leader.
Name: Wilhelmina of Orange-Nassau
Stats: Financial, Industrious
Govt: Favors Representation.

Capital : Amsterdam

Flag : Three horizontal banners equal in size of red, white and blue.

Color : Orange (National Color)

Starting Techs : Fishing, Agriculture, Sailing.

Great Persons:

There are 5 Great persons in each category. I can probably dig through history a bit more to find more, but I think 5 per category should work.

Great Scientists:
Jacobus Cornelius Kapteyn - Astronomer
Jan Hendrik Oort - Astronomer, discovered the Oort Cloud.
Desiderius Erasmus - Scientist and Philosopher
Christiaan Huygens - Atronomer, discovered te rings of Saturn.
Anton van Leeuwenhoek - Biologist, discovered bacteria.


Great Merchants:
Pieter Both - Merchant & Governor General for the VOC in East Asia, 1619
Adriaen Block - Merchant trading in the Hudson Bay in the 16th century.
Pieter van den Broeck - Discoverer and Merchant, East Africa and Asia.
Jacob van Heemskerck - Famous merchant that sailed on Asia.
Johan van Oldebarnevelt - One of the founders of the VOC.

Great Prophets:
Servatius - One of the first to spread Christianity to The Neterlands around 350
Bonifatius - Missionary, killed in 754 in Friesland
Willibrord - Bishop, first Bishop of Utrecht in 695
Benedictus Spinoza - Philosopher of the 17th century
Isaac Beeckman - Philosopher of the 16th century

Great Artists:
Rembrandt van Rhijn - Painter
Vincent van Gogh - Painter
Joost van den Vondel - Poet
Constantijn Huygens - Writer
Jan Steen - Painter

Great Engineers:
Jan Adriaanszoon Leeghwater - Architect of landreclaiming in the 17th century
Cornelis Lely - Architect of the "Zuiderzeewerken", a land reclaiming project.
Jacob van Campen - Architect of the Royal Palace in Amsterdam.
Hendrik Petrus Berlage - Architect of the late 19th and early 20th century.
Johan van Veen - First architect of the Deltaworks.

Military Heroes: (I am not sure if these are usefull in Civ 4)

Maarten Hartperszoon Tromp - 17th century Admiral
Michiel de Ruyter - 17th century Admiral
Piet Heyn - Privateer in the early 17th century
Bernhard van Lippe-Biesterfeld - Prince, Commander of the Free Dutch Forces in WW 2.
Nicolaes Ruychaver - Leader of the "Geuzen", resistance movement against the Spanish occupation.





Unique Unit:
Name: VOC Galleon
Stats: Move 5 tiles, Carry 4 units (normal Galleon is 4/3)
History: The VOC Galleon represents the Golden Age of The Netherlands, the 17th century, when the worlds first cooperation VOC (East India Company) operated traderoutes all over the globe and had perfected their ships to carry as much goods possible at the fastest speed possible at the lowest cost possible. The VOC Galleon becomes obsolete with the arrival of the Transport.

Cities :

Amsterdam
Rotterdam
Den Haag
Utrecht
Haarlem
Leiden
Delft
Gouda
Den Bosch
Amersfoort
Zwolle
Maastricht
Eindhoven
Leeuwarden
Groningen
Arnhem
Deventer
Breda
Nijmegen
Hilversum
Tilburg
Alkmaar
Middelburg
Venlo
Enschede
Assen
Vlissingen
Apeldoorn
Emmen
Zutphen
Harlingen
Den Helder
Hoorn
Hoek van Holland
Heerlen
Hoogeveen
Drachten
Goes
Delfzijl
Zoetermeer
Emmeloord
Lelystad
Nieuwegein
Almere
Dronten


I am not too good with all this XML stuf, but please someone use all of this information and work it out :)

ETHIOPIA
Leader : Empress Zawditu - Industrious, favors Organized Religion
Leader : Menelik I - Creative, favors Organized Religion

Capital : Addis Ababa

Flag : Golden Star on dark green

Starting Techs : Writing and Agriculture

Great Scientists : ??

Great Merchants : ??

Great Prophets : ??

Great Artists : ??

Great Engineers : ??

Unique Unit : Javelineer

Cities :

Addis Ababa
Dire Dawa
Gonder
Nazret
Harer
Dese
Adwa
Mek'ele
Bahir Dar
Jima
Degeh Bur
Jijiga
Tendaho
Ginir
Goba
Debre Birhan
Weldiya
Asela
Kibre Mengist
Debre Zeyit
Fiche
Aksum
Awasa
Yirga Che'fe
Dila
Debre Mark'os
Arba Minch'
Tarch'a Sodo
Dangila
Nek'emte
Bako
Gimbi
Metu
Gore
Guba
Mendi
Dembi Dolo

Please suggest leader traits, and great leaders. The ones I have listed here are the basic initial suggestions.

Civilization: Québec

Leader : Louis-Joseph Papineau (Philosophical and Oraganised? (lacking better traits...)), favors Nationhood
René Levesque (Philosophical, Organised), favors Nationhood

Capital : Québec

Flag : http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/taxcredit/sred/images/qc_flag.gif (Québec's flag)

Starting Techs : Agriculture and Mysticism

Great Scientists :

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets : Monseigneur de Laval

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit : Patriote, or, at worst, Voyageur

Cities : Okay, here starts the LIST (I think i have em ALL... 3 main cities at top, rest are divided according to their 'région administrative')
Québec (capital)
Trois-Rivières
Montréal

Isle-Verte
Kamouraska
Témiscouata
Packington
Price
Saint-Hubert-de-Rivière-du-Loup
La Pocatière
Pohénégamook
Saint-Fabien
Région Rivière-du-Loup
Saint-Alexandre-de-Kamouraska
Sainte-Luce
Saint-François-Xavier-de-Viger
Saint-Joseph
Saint-Pacôme
Saint-Paul-de-la-Croix
St-Clément
Amqui
Cabano
Dégelis
Matane
Mont-Joli
Rimouski
Rivière-du-Loup
Saint-Pascal

Maria-Chapdelaine
Ferland-et-Boilleau
Lac-Kénogami
Sainte-Jeanne-d'Arc
Saint-Honoré
Saint-Prime
Shipshaw
L'Anse-Saint-Jean
Saint-Ambroise
Saint-Charles-de-Bourget
Saint-David-de-Falardeau
Sainte-Rose-du-Nord
Saint-Félicien
Saint-Fulgence
Saint-Thomas-Didyme
Domaine-du-Roy
Maria-Chapdelaine
Alma
Métabetchouan
Roberval
Saguenay

Champigny-Chauveau
Éboulements
Charlevoix
Boischatel
Saint-Augustin-de-Desmaures
Saint-Tite-des-Caps
Neuville
Sainte-Brigitte-de-Laval
Saint-Léonard
Fossambault-sur-le-Lac
Saint-Basile
Saint-Raymond
Wendake

Batiscan
Haut Saint-Maurice
Paroisse de Lac-aux-Sables
Sainte-Thècle
Saint-Stanislas
St-Luc-de-Vincennes
Trois-Rives
Yamachiche
Shawinigan

Austin
Sutton
Melbourne
Frelighsburg
Granit
Haut-Saint-François
Bolton-Est
Bonsecours
Brigham
Lambton
Racine
Saint-Augustin-de-Woburn
Saint-Ludger
Orford
Richmond
Rock Forest
Shefford
Sherbrooke
Stanstead
Asbestos
Coaticook
Cowansville
Danville
Dunham
Farnham
Valcourt

Sainte-Geneviève
Lachine
LaSalle
Sainte-Anne-de-Bellevue
Saint-Laurent
Saint-Pierre
Mont-Royal

Boileau
Cantley
Chénéville
Lac-Des-Plages
Maniwaki
Masson-Angers
Montebello
Papineau
Collines-de-l'Outaouais
Duhamel
L'Ange-Gardien
Messines
Plaisance
Val-des-Monts
Wakefield
Gatineau
Hull

Latulipe
Vallée-de-l'Or
Béarn
Cléricy
Rémigny
Senneterre Paroisse
Notre-Dame-du-Nord
Saint-Bruno-de-Guigues
La Sarre
Malartic
Rouyn-Noranda
Senneterre
Val-d'Or

Bergeronnes
Minganie
Ragueneau
Escoumins
Portneuf-sur-Mer
Tadoussac
Baie-Comeau

Lebel-sur-Quévillon
Baie-James
Chapais
Matagami

Carleton sur mer
Îles-de-la-Madeleine
Caplan
Grande-Vallée
Maria
New Richmond

Beaulac-Garthby
Cap-Saint-Ignace
Chutes-de-la-Chaudière
Lévis
Lotbinière
Montmagny
Etchemins
Dosquet
Laurier-Station
Saint-Apollinaire
Sainte-Claire
Sainte-Perpétue
Saint-Henri
Saint-Flavien
Saint-Antoine-de-Tilly
Sainte-Sabine de Bellechasse
Saint-Fortunat
Saint-Georges de Beauce
Saint-Raphaël
Disraeli
Sainte-Marie
Thetford Mines
Saint-Joseph-de-Beauce

Laval

L'Épiphanie
Crabtree
Joliette
D'Autray
Matawinie
Montcalm
Chertsey
Saint-Calixte
Saint-Charles-Borromée
Saint-Cuthbert
Saint-Damien
Sainte-Élisabeth
Sainte-Julienne
Saint-Jacques de Montcalm
Saint-Jean-de-Matha
Saint-Norbert
Saint-Thomas
Comté de L'Assomption
Notre-Dame-des-Prairies
Rawdon
Saint-Côme
Saint-Liguori
Saint-Michel-des-Saints
Sainte-Émélie de L'Énergie
Charlemagne
L'Assomption
Repentigny
Saint-Lin-Laurentides
Terrebonne

Boisbriand
Gore
Antoine-Labelle
Argenteuil
Rivière-du-Nord
Labelle
Lac-Nominingue
Lac-Saguay
La Minerve
Piedmont
Saint-Adolphe-D'Howard
Saint-Placide
Val-David
Val-Morin
Wentworth-Nord
Saint-Faustin-Lac-Carré
Notre-Dame du Laus
Prévost
Saint-Colomban
Sainte-Adèle
Saint-Eustache
Blainville
Deux-Montagnes
Mirabel
Mont-Tremblant
Rosemère
Sainte-Anne-des-Plaines
Sainte-Thérèse
Saint-Jérôme
Sainte-Marthe-sur-le-Lac

Saint-Basile-le-Grand
Varennes
Beauharnois
Longueuil
Sainte-Catherine
Saint-Constant
Delson
Marieville
McMasterville
Acton
Beauharnois-Salaberry
Bas-Richelieu
Lacolle
Noyan
Rigaud
Saint-Alexandre
Saint-Amable
Saint-Charles-sur-Richelieu
Sainte-Martine
Venise-en-Québec
Notre-Dame-de-Stanbridge
Maskoutaine
Richelieu
Roxton Falls
Saint-Antoine-sur-Richelieu
Saint-Lazare
Saint-Paul-d'Abbotsford
Saint-Paul-de-l'Île-aux-Noix
Saint-Pie
Saint-Pierre-de-Véronne-à-Pike-River
Suroît
Verchères
Beloeil
Boucherville
Bromont
Brossard
Candiac
Chambly
Châteauguay
Contrecoeur
Delson
Granby
La Prairie
Saint-Constant
Sainte-Julie
Saint-Hyacinthe
Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu
Saint-Joseph-de-Sorel
Salaberry-de-Valleyfield
Sorel
Vaudreuil-Dorion
Waterloo
Otterburn Park
Mont-Saint-Hilaire

Princeville
Aston-Jonction
Baie-du-Febvre
Nicolet-Yamaska
Drummond
Grand-Saint-Esprit
Saint-Charles-de-Drummond
Saint-Ferdinand
Saint-Léonard d'Aston
Wickham
Notre-Dame-du-Bon-Conseil
Plessisville
Saint-Célestin
Sainte-Eulalie
Bécancour
Drummondville


END OF ENTRY

Okay, whew, a huge list... :) Since you insisted, i've got smaller lists below... And I'll have you know i copied each one of those names ONE AT A TIME! And i allowed myself to add the name of my city even though it merged... I derserve it for doing that list :)

Okay... the UU... As you can see, i put a few there... First of all, the Coureur des Bois is unacceptable! They where smugglers that sold the furs from french territory to the english and they should hardly be Québec's UU. However, the Voyageur did pretty much the same stuff but legally... Still, i prefer the Patriote, they fought against all odds, and still managed to gain a victory, even though the church opposed them (in that time, if they threated excommunication it was scary), and they still remain a source of inspiration of souvraignists today.

For an alternate flag, the Patriote's flag could also be used...

Okay, i will post a shorter city list now...
Québec
Trois-Rivières
Montréal
Laval
Gaspé
Sept-Iles
Lévis
St-Jérome
St-Eustache
Chicoutimi
Gatineau
Ste-Thérèse
St-Benoit
Terrebonne
Hull
Rosemère
Boisbriand
St-Agathe
Longueil
Brossard
Sherbrooke
Drummondville
Alma
Fermont
Ste-Foy
Shefferville
Rouyn-Noranda
Chibougamau
Deux-Montagne
Oka
La Tuque
Victoriaville
Joliette
La Malbaie
Or, to limit it to the administrative regions... (which I compiled)
Québec
Montréal
Bas-Saint-Laurent
Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean
Mauricie
Estrie
Outaouais
Abitibi-Timiscamingue
Côte-Nord
Nord-du-Québec
Gaspésie
Chaudière-Appalaches
Laval
Lanaudière
Laurentides
Montérégie


Edited on 2-5-06 to compile and revise some information

Is it really necessary to post every city/town/village/hamlet/cottage in Quebec? I think an abbreviated list with less than 50 entries would be sufficient.

indead it is not... but i could'nt decide which to keep and tu cut out... Besides, a mod may comme out one day with TRULY huge maps where a citizen face represents a family. Besides, it's easy to cut short a list, but it's long to add... so why not put em all there, supply a shorter list later...

... Besides, it's easy to cut short a list, but it's long to add... so why not put em all there, supply a shorter list later... I agree with you on this, however, there's always a need for a shorter list where we know which ones are important. I suggest we cut down the top 25 as I believe a list of 25 cities should be enough to begin with. I have always thought more is better so far, but playing a huge terra map and seeing the average civ has like 3-4 cities and the incredible amount of time it takes to mod every single city in the game, copying in two different integrated files in seperate folders and -for the crazy- having them in five seperate languages takes quite a while. I only modded half of my initial Turkish cities for example and build only 4 of them. But having a nice long list is always nice as long as we know which ones are more important.

I agree with you on this, however, there's always a need for a shorter list where we know which ones are important. I suggest we cut down the top 25 as I believe a list of 25 cities should be enough to begin with. I have always thought more is better so far, but playing a huge terra map and seeing the average civ has like 3-4 cities and the incredible amount of time it takes to mod every single city in the game, copying in two different integrated files in seperate folders and -for the crazy- having them in five seperate languages takes quite a while. I only modded half of my initial Turkish cities for example and build only 4 of them. But having a nice long list is always nice as long as we know which ones are more important.


Agreed then... Here is a list I copied from another dude and ido not claim I did this (i did a longer list :))

Québec
Trois-Rivières
Montréal
Laval
Gaspé
Sept-Iles
Lévis
St-Jérome
St-Eustache
Chicoutimi
Gatineau
Ste-Thérèse
St-Benoit
Terrebonne
Hull
Rosemère
Boisbriand
St-Agathe
Longueil
Brossard
Sherbrooke
Drummondville
Alma
Fermont
Ste-Foy
Shefferville
Rouyn-Noranda
Chibougamau
Deux-Montagne
Oka
La Tuque
Victoriaville
Joliette
La Malbaie

I only changed the order a bit, to put Trois-Rivières as second.
Otherwise, the administrative regions, by me:

Québec
Montréal
Bas-Saint-Laurent
Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean
Mauricie
Estrie
Outaouais
Abitibi-Timiscamingue
Côte-Nord
Nord-du-Québec
Gaspésie
Chaudière-Appalaches
Laval
Lanaudière
Laurentides
Montérégie

Don't mean to be critical but Austri-Hungary was never a cilvilization!!! The two Empires were joined thru marriage but later the Hungarians revolted (somewhat unsuccesfully) and where able to control their own country while still being part of the Empire.

Yes, I think if your going to put Austria and Hugary in they should be seperate. From what ive read Austria was the dominant force.
On another note i dont think the Hussar should be an Austrian UU. It was used by all europeans but i think Poland or Hungary should have it as their UU. Poland especially was the one that used them to the best effect.

I'd just use Austria. For a long period of time, they ruled the whole area. They grew in strength after the Congress of Vienna (as did Prussia, but that's a different topic). Eventually, the nationalism they faced in their territories (unlike the relatively German population of Prussia, Austria had Hungarian and Serb populations) forced them to compromise and give joint rule to Hungaria. I think people are quick to say "Austria-Hungary" because they remember World War I from history class, but Austria as sole ruler of Hungary was more important from further back, imo.

NB: I am not Brazilian. I think as a Regional and emerging World Power they are a justified addition. With all the Civ ideas being thrown around i think it would be good to have some justification behind their inclusion.

Also as this is an outside view of Brazil, im sure plenty of people are going to think of changes. This is not a perfect final list!

Civilization : Brazil

Leader : Pedro II (Brazil's 2nd and Last Emporer) Financial and Organized

Capital : Rio De Janeiro (was the countrys first capital)

Flag : Well known by football fans the world over.

Starting Techs : Agriculture, Archery

Great Scientists : Jose Reis
Mario Schenberg

Great Merchants : Irineu Evangelista de Sousa

Great Prophets : Leonard Boff (im really out of my depth with this bit.)
Helder Camara

Great Artists : Candido Portinari
Pele

Great Engineers : Lucio Costa
Oscar Niemeyer

Unique Unit : Suggestions? I was thinking maybe some kind of revolutionary unit. A well armed worker for example. But if you have a better idea go for it.

Cities :
Sao Paulo
Salvador
Sao Luis
Belo Horizonte
Fortaleza
Brasilia
Curitiba
Manaus
Recife
Porto Alegre
Belem
Rio Branco
Boa Vista
Arcaju
Natal
Campo Grande
Cuiaba
Florianopolis
Porto Velho
Nova Iguacu
Sao Goncalo
Palmas
Vitoria
Teresina

There are a couple of Brazilian people around. Maybe one of them will see this thread and come up with ideas.

Agreed then... Here is a list I copied from another dude and ido not claim I did this (i did a longer list :))



I only changed the order a bit, to put Trois-Rivières as second.
Otherwise, the administrative regions, by me:

Québec
Montréal
Bas-Saint-Laurent
Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean
Mauricie
Estrie
Outaouais
Abitibi-Timiscamingue
Côte-Nord
Nord-du-Québec
Gaspésie
Chaudière-Appalaches
Laval
Lanaudière
Laurentides
Montérégie

Just a couple of nitpicky spelling errors in the text you had quoted:

Sherbroke should be Sherbrooke and Trois-Rivière should be Trois-Rivières. I would also add Jonquière and put Laval higher. :)

Just a couple of nitpicky spelling errors in the text you had quoted:

Sherbroke should be Sherbrooke and Trois-Rivière should be Trois-Rivières. I would also add Jonquière and put Laval higher. :)


(EDIT) ooooh, mistakes in the text i quoted! lol, i though the text i wrote... i'll fix that and maybe tweak the order a bit...


Also, what would be cool would be a mexican civ :) It was done for ACM in civ3... but i don't know any mexicans that have acutally lived in Mexico... so i don't know much about it. Hehe, the US would be in a big sandwich, Canada and Québec at top, mexico under, and lots of ocean on the sides :) But i think the guy is making ACM for civ4... so if we are patient we will have an awseome mod :)

Regarding Ethiopia, as far as I know, Abyssinia is the western name for the country, not a local name. Aksum or Ethiopia would be better alternatives. I think Ethiopia would be the one to go for, as I cant imagine many people ever having heard of the Aksumite Empire...

Leaders: (Not sure what traits the first two should be, but someone else have allready mentioned them I think)
Emperor Menelik I (founder)
Emperor Menelik II (stopped Italian attempt at colonization)
Emperor Haile Selassie I, Religious and Organized (he did try unifying Africa)

W.I.N.T.E.R: Which flag is that? All the Ethiopian flags I have seen have been variations on the green, yellow, red combination.

Civilization: Philippines

Leaders:

Emilio Aguinaldo (The First President, declared independence in Philippines, Confident and Perfectionist)
Ferdinand E. Marcos (President for 20 years, Very Wise and Very Intelligent)
Corazon C. Aquino (The First Female President, Cunning and Smart)
Manuel Quezon (One Of The Best Presidents)

Great Scientists: Gregorio Zara, Pedro Escuro, Agapito Flores, Pedro Flores, Jose Rodriguez, Carmen Velasquez, Daniel Dingel, Fe del Mundo, Roberto del Rosario, Eduardo San Juan

Heroes: Jose Rizal, Ferdinand Magellan, Gregorio Del Pilar, Tandang Sora, Andres Bonifacio, Marcelo Del Pilar, Apolinario Mabini, Lapu-Lapu, Gomburza

Starting Techs: Agriculture & Hunting

Flag Description: Two equal horizontal bands of blue (top) and red with a white equilateral triangle based on the hoist side; in the center of the triangle is a yellow sun with eight primary rays (each containing three individual rays) and in each corner of the triangle is a small yellow five-pointed star. Actual Flag: http://www.msc.edu.ph/centennial/g10.gif

Unique Unit: Philippine Special Ops Infantry

Capital: Manila

Cities: (Using Provinces, because there's too many Cities)

Manila
Cebu
Agusan del Norte
Albay
Basilan
Bataan
Batangas
Benguet
Bohol
Bukidnon
Bulacan
Cagayan
Camarines Sur
Capiz
Cavite
Cotabato
Davao
Davao del Sur
Ilocos Norte
Ilocos Sur
Iloilo
Isabela
La Union
Laguna
Lanao del Norte
Lanao del Sur
Leyte province
Maguindanao
Masbate
Misamis Occidental
Misamis Oriental
Negros Occidental
Negros Oriental
Nueva Ecija
Oriental Mindoro
Palawan Puerto
Pampanga
South Cotabato
Zamboanga del Norte
Zamboanga del Sur

I'll Add Stuff :D

Civilization: Philippines

Leaders:

Emilio Aguinaldo (The First President, declared independence in Philippines, Confident and Perfectionist(Philiosphical)
Ferdinand E. Marcos (President for 20 years, Very Wise and Very Intelligent)
Corazon C. Aquino (The First Female President, Cunning and Smart)
Manuel Quezon (Famous Philippine President During World War 2)

Great Scientists: Gregorio Zara, Pedro Escuro, Agapito Flores, Pedro Flores, Jose Rodriguez, Carmen Velasquez, Daniel Dingel, Fe del Mundo, Roberto del Rosario, Eduardo San Juan

Heroes: Jose Rizal, Ferdinand Magellan, Gregorio Del Pilar, Tandang Sora, Andres Bonifacio, Marcelo Del Pilar, Apolinario Mabini, Lapu-Lapu, Gomburza

Starting Techs: Agriculture & Hunting

Flag Description: Two equal horizontal bands of blue (top) and red with a white equilateral triangle based on the hoist side; in the center of the triangle is a yellow sun with eight primary rays (each containing three individual rays) and in each corner of the triangle is a small yellow five-pointed star. Actual Flag: http://www.msc.edu.ph/centennial/g10.gif

Unique Unit: Philippine Constabulary Rangers (The Philippine Constabulary Rangers, or PC Rangers, were independent light infantry companies which served as a counter-insurgency force similar to United States Army Rangers and were organized into 12 large regional companies.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Constabulary

Capital: Manila

Cities: (Using Provinces, because there's too many Cities)

Manila
Cebu
Agusan del Norte
Albay
Basilan
Bataan
Batangas
Benguet
Bohol
Bukidnon
Bulacan
Cagayan
Camarines Sur
Capiz
Cavite
Cotabato
Davao
Davao del Sur
Ilocos Norte
Ilocos Sur
Iloilo
Isabela
La Union
Laguna
Lanao del Norte
Lanao del Sur
Leyte province
Maguindanao
Masbate
Misamis Occidental
Misamis Oriental
Negros Occidental
Negros Oriental
Nueva Ecija
Oriental Mindoro
Palawan Puerto
Pampanga
South Cotabato
Zamboanga del Norte
Zamboanga del Sur

btw..i WILL give you a tip (cash) if you get this accomplished =D

Here are some Norwegian people that should be included
Edvard Munch(artist)
Ole Bull(artist)
Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson(artist)
a-ha(artist) when Abba is in it why not
Sissel Kyrkjebø(artist)

Peder Wessel Tordenskjold(Prophet)
All Norwegian except Tordenskjold who lived when Norway & Denamark was in union.
Albert Nobel (Scientist / Engineer / Merchant) not sure

Alesund should be written Aalesund or with Å
Also Nidaros should be included, as cities it's an old name for Trondheim.
Other cities from Norway
Bergen
Christiania - name for Oslo during the union with Denmark
Fredrikstad
Kongsberg
Stavanger
Haugesund
Kristiansand
Gjøvik
Hammar
Lillehamar
Tromsø
Bodø
Molde

Is the city listed as Aker a Norwegian city or from some of the other countries?
That if it is from Norway and Brumundal and Ringerike are not cities of Norway. It would be easier to see if the cities are suitable if there was any indication of what country it is from.

Leader: Knut the mighty, was king of Denmark, but ruled a lot I think it was large parts of England and more.

Regarding Ethiopia...

W.I.N.T.E.R: Which flag is that? All the Ethiopian flags I have seen have been variations on the green, yellow, red combination.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Ethiopia_flag_large.png I thought of an easy solution by taking the yellow star and the green background...

Civilization : Poland

Leader : #1 Kazimierz Wielki (Casimir The Great)
-Industrialist
-Scientific
#2 Jozef Pilsudski (Joseph Pilsudski)
-Militaristic
-Expansionist

Capital : Krakow or Warszawa

Flag : Should be the national Symbol (A crowned white eagle on a red shield)

Great Scientists : Marja Sklodowska-Curie

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets : Karol Wojtyla (Pope John Paul II)

Great Artists : Jan Matejko

Great Engineers : Tadeusz Sendzimir

Unique Unit : Polish Hussaria (sidenote: Wings are attached to the horse not the rider)

Cities :

Gniezno
Krakow (if not the Capital)

I will fill you in more tomorrow that is if I won't be too busy with my brand spanking new Civ IV game ;)
Good choices there, but I don't think Casimir should be Industrious and Philosophical, since it's the only trait combo left out due to being overpowered.

I propose making him Industrious and Creative (culture).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c1/Ethiopia_flag_large.png I thought of an easy solution by taking the yellow star and the green background...

I see... I think the more "correct" thing to do in that case, would be to make it green, but put in the "Conquering Lion of Judah" symbol on it instead of the star. I suppose that could be a bit of a pain to create a graphic for though...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/Ethiopia_flag_1897.png

The one with the star has only been in use since 1996 i think, while the other one was adopted in 1897 and used untill the fall of Haile Selassie I. Another way to do it would be to just use the colors of the plain tricolor, and nothing else. Is that possible? (I know virtually nothing about modding these games).

Civilization : Israel / Hebrews

Leader : David (Spiritual, Expansive) favors Hereditary Rule
Solomon (Spiritual, Creative) favors Organized Religion
David Ben-Gurion (Spiritual, Industrial) favors Universal Suffrage
Golda Meir (Spiritual, Philosophical) favors Pacifism

Capital : Jerusalem

Flag : White, with Menorah emblem

Starting Techs : Mysticism, Agriculture

Great Scientists :

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets :

Great Artists :

Great Engineers :

Unique Unit : Mossad, Merkava, Maccabee

Cities :

Jerusalem
Haifa
Tel-Aviv
Megiddo
Hebron
Jaffa
Ashkelon
Rishon L'Tzion
Elat
Ashdod
Netanya
Bat Yam
Beersheva
Holon
Petach Tikvah
Safed
Hadera
Herzilya
Raanana
Kfar Saba
Bne Brak
Ramat Gan
Rshovot
Ashkelon
Kiryat Gat
Nazareth
Tiberias
Carmiel
Kiryat Shemona
Metulla

A couple comments, and I will try to add some info.
Ben Gurion should be financial or organized rather than spiritual. Of course any one of Israel's rulers could be considered spiritual because the nation and religion are almost one and the same, but Ben Gurion was a secular ruler.
Golda Meir should neither be spiritual or favor pacifism. She was one of the toughest, masculine leaders of modern Israel. I wouldnt say aggressive though. Maybe give Ben Gurion the organized trait instead of spiritual, and Golda financial instead of spritual. Also, I would have golda favor bureaucracy.

I dont think the great leaders are civ specific. They are randomly drawn from a list, so I wont go there now, but I can later if need be.

Remove from city list:
Tiberias - Roman city (if you decide to keep, you can also add Ceasarea)
Bnei Barak - not really a city

Add to city list:
Akko
Beit Shemesh
Arad
Jericho
Bethlehem
Dimona
Ein Gedi
Afula

Typos: Eilat (not Elat), Rehovot (not Rshovot)

Don't take this too seriously, I know Slovakia is not the greatest civ in the world, but I think it would be interesting to play a couple games as slovaks:)

Civilization : Slovakia

Leader : Milan Rastislav Stefanik, favors emancipation
Svatopluk, favors hereditary rule
Alexander Dubcek, favors free speech
Matus Cak, favors serfdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Rastislav_Stefanik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sv%C3%A4topluk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Dub%C4%8Dek
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matus_Cak

Capital : Bratislava

Flag : see here> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Slovakia_Coat_of_Arms.png

Starting Techs : the wheel and agriculture

Great Scientists : Jan Kollar, Stefan Banic, Jan Jesenius, Jozef Murgas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Kollar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0tefan_Bani%C4%8D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Jesenius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jozef_Murga%C5%A1

Great Merchants : King Samo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Samo

Great Prophets : Sv. Cyril, Sv. Metod

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_%28827-869%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Methodius

Great Artists : Pavol Orszagh Hviezdoslav, Ludovit Stur, Paul of Levoca

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hviezdoslav
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludovit_Stur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Paul_of_Levo%C4%8Da

Great Engineers : Emery Roth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emery_Roth

Unique Unit : ???

Cities :

Bratislava
Košice
Prešov
Nitra
Žilina
Banská Bystrica
Trnava
Martin
Trenčín
Poprad
Prievidza
Zvolen
Nové Zámky
Považská Bystrica
Michalovce
Spišská nová ves
Komárno
Levice
Humenné
Liptovský Mikuláš
Bardejov
Piešťany
Ružomberok
Topoľčany
Lučenec
Dubnica
Partizánske
Rimavská Sobota
Šaľa
Hlohovec
Dunajská Streda
Vranov
Brezno
Trebišov
Pezinok
Nové mesto
Senica
Snina
Bánovce
Žiar nad Hronom
Dolný Kubín
Rožňava
Púchov
Handlová
Malacky
Sereď
Kežmarok
Galanta
Kysucké nové mesto
Stará Ľubovňa
Zlaté Moravce
Detva
Skalica
Senec
Veľký Krtíš
Revúca
Levoča
Štúrovo
Myjava
Svidník
Nová Dubnica
Šamorín
Bytča
Sabinov
Holíč
Kolárovo
Stará Turá
Banská Štiavnica
Stropkov
Fiľakovo

A couple comments, and I will try to add some info.
Ben Gurion should be financial or organized rather than spiritual. Of course any one of Israel's rulers could be considered spiritual because the nation and religion are almost one and the same, but Ben Gurion was a secular ruler.
Golda Meir should neither be spiritual or favor pacifism. She was one of the toughest, masculine leaders of modern Israel. I wouldnt say aggressive though. Maybe give Ben Gurion the organized trait instead of spiritual, and Golda financial instead of spritual. Also, I would have golda favor bureaucracy.

I dont think the great leaders are civ specific. They are randomly drawn from a list, so I wont go there now, but I can later if need be.

Remove from city list:
Tiberias - Roman city (if you decide to keep, you can also add Ceasarea)
Bnei Barak - not really a city

Add to city list:
Akko
Beit Shemesh
Arad
Jericho
Bethlehem
Dimona
Ein Gedi
Afula

Typos: Eilat (not Elat), Rehovot (not Rshovot)

Added the cities and fixed the issues you brought up.

Don't take this too seriously, I know Slovakia is not the greatest civ in the world, but I think it would be interesting to play a couple games as slovaks:)

Civilization : Slovakia

Leader : Milan Rastislav Stefanik, favors emancipation
Svatopluk, favors hereditary rule
Alexander Dubcek, favors free speech
Matus Cak, favors serfdom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milan_Rastislav_Stefanik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sv%C3%A4topluk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Dub%C4%8Dek
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matus_Cak

Capital : Bratislava

Flag : see here> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Slovakia_Coat_of_Arms.png

Starting Techs : the wheel and agriculture

Great Scientists : Jan Kollar, Stefan Banic, Jan Jesenius, Jozef Murgas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Kollar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0tefan_Bani%C4%8D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Jesenius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jozef_Murga%C5%A1

Great Merchants : King Samo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Samo

Great Prophets : Sv. Cyril, Sv. Metod

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_%28827-869%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Methodius

Great Artists : Pavol Orszagh Hviezdoslav, Ludovit Stur, Paul of Levoca

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hviezdoslav
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludovit_Stur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Paul_of_Levo%C4%8Da

Great Engineers : Emery Roth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emery_Roth

Unique Unit : ???

Cities :

Bratislava
Košice
Prešov
Nitra
Žilina
Banská Bystrica
Trnava
Martin
Trenčín
Poprad
Prievidza
Zvolen
Nové Zámky
Považská Bystrica
Michalovce
Spišská nová ves
Komárno
Levice
Humenné
Liptovský Mikuláš
Bardejov
Piešťany
Ružomberok
Topoľčany
Lučenec
Dubnica
Partizánske
Rimavská Sobota
Šaľa
Hlohovec
Dunajská Streda
Vranov
Brezno
Trebišov
Pezinok
Nové mesto
Senica
Snina
Bánovce
Žiar nad Hronom
Dolný Kubín
Rožňava
Púchov
Handlová
Malacky
Sereď
Kežmarok
Galanta
Kysucké nové mesto
Stará Ľubovňa
Zlaté Moravce
Detva
Skalica
Senec
Veľký Krtíš
Revúca
Levoča
Štúrovo
Myjava
Svidník
Nová Dubnica
Šamorín
Bytča
Sabinov
Holíč
Kolárovo
Stará Turá
Banská Štiavnica
Stropkov
Fiľakovo

Cool... can't really make any other comments 'cause i hardly know the country though...

Any mexicans here? We need a mexican civ... Or guatamala... ooooh, i'd love to conquer the world with colombia! (Or panama, that would be awseome, lol)

Well, any feedback for my Québecois civ would be appreciated... ;)

You probably should be waiting for a Quebecois or English Canadian for a healthy comment, otherwise it's a rare thing to find a Quebec expert. :)

I'm no expert, but I have been reading a book about Canadian history lately. I am up to the point where the English capture Quebec in 1759.

An idea. Perhaps add Louisbourg to the city list, as a tribute to Quebec's colonial past.

And another UU suggestion: Compaignes Franche de Marine. They were a major part of the Quebecois army during the 1700's, until the English conquest. Give it Gity Garrison I and Woodsman I to start. At the Plains of Abraham Montcalm had 2,200 regulars and 1,500 Compaignes Franche de Marine, and they were the garrison for many of the towns in Quebec, so they were quite common.

I'm no expert, but I have been reading a book about Canadian history lately. I am up to the point where the English capture Quebec in 1759.

An idea. Perhaps add Louisbourg to the city list, as a tribute to Quebec's colonial past.

And another UU suggestion: Compaignes Franche de Marine. They were a major part of the Quebecois army during the 1700's, until the English conquest. Give it Gity Garrison I and Woodsman I to start. At the Plains of Abraham Montcalm had 2,200 regulars and 1,500 Compaignes Franche de Marine, and they were the garrison for many of the towns in Quebec, so they were quite common.

K, thanks for the input... and for the Compaignes Franche de Marine, were they canadian troops or french troops that were sent to canada to defend New-France? 'Cause i'm trying to represent it as a civ, not a colony, and the UU should be one of their own. Anyways, thnaks for the input.

PS: Yeah, i'm follwing a Québec history class (has a little bit of canada too...), and i' exactly at the part were New-France is given to the british... what a coincidence... I might add Louisburg... unless another civ uses it... i'll look into that...

From the book I have:
"The Compagnies Franches de la Marine garrisoned the towns of New France with officers of the Canadian aristocracy and recruits from France, and built the fur-trade forts that carried French power as far west as the Canadian prairies."

As far as UUs go, I doubt you are going to find a unit to represent the civ. Best you can hope for are colonial units, as Quebec has never had it's own military.

From the book I have:
"The Compagnies Franches de la Marine garrisoned the towns of New France with officers of the Canadian aristocracy and recruits from France, and built the fur-trade forts that carried French power as far west as the Canadian prairies."

As far as UUs go, I doubt you are going to find a unit to represent the civ. Best you can hope for are colonial units, as Quebec has never had it's own military.

Yeah, aiming for canadian-born UUs that did something or tried something for Québec... anyways, can't wait to get my hands on a copy of the game and to understand xml to make a mod with them :)

Scots/Scotland
Starting Technologies: Mysticism, Hunting

Leaders: Robert the Bruce (Aggressive, Spiritual) [Civic: Nationhood]
Mary Stuart [Queen of Scots] (Spiritual, Creative) [Civic: Hereditary Rule]

Unique Unit: Highlanders

Flag: White X on Blue Background, or a Thistle on a blue Background

Phrophets: Saint Mungo
John Knox
William Robinson Clark
Saint Andrew

Great Artists: Sean Connery
Hamish MacCunn
David Wilkie
Alexander Naysmith
Patrick Naysmith
Robbie Burns
Lulu

Great Scientist: James Watt
Thomas Reid
David Gill
Robert Watson-Watt
Thomas Henderson
Robert Brown
Alexander Anderson

Great Engineers: James Naysmith
William Thomson
John McAdam
Thomas Telford
William Murdoch
Alexander Graham Bell

Great Merchant: Adam Smith
John Law
Arthur Anderson
William Paterson
Dr. Henry Duncan
William Paterson
Glasgow
Edinburgh
Aberdeen
Dundee
Dumfries
Ayr
Melrose
Kirkcaldy
Inverness
Stornoway
Arbroath
Stranraer
Perth
Wick
Grangemouth
Scone

Also, has anybody thought about putting Churchill in as a "English" leader?

Great, it's cool to have Scots as a seperate civilization. :) So we can take them out of the Celtic one, as it makes it very complicated.

Civilization : Brazil

Leader : Dom Pedro II (Expansive and Creative); Getúlio Vargas (Aggressive and Industrious)

Starting Researches: Mysticism and Agriculture

Capital : Salvador (was the first one), Rio de Janeiro (the 2nd) and Brasília (our capital, today) - Whats the best choice???

Flag : http://www.corante.com/mooreslore/archives/images/brazil%20flag.gif
Starting Techs : Agriculture, Archery

Great Scientists : Oswaldo Cruz; Carlos Chagas; César Lattes; José Leite Lopes

Great Merchants : Roberto Marinho; Assis Chateaubriand

Great Prophets : Helder Camara; Padre Cìcero, Irmã Dulce; Chico Xavier

Great Artists : Candido Portinari; Alfredo Volpi; Tarcila do Amaral; Tom Jobim;

Great Engineers : Lucio Costa; Oscar Niemeyer; Santos Dummont

Unique Unit : Like CivArmy s. 1994 said: Cascavel (light armored combat vehicle); Bandeirante (Combating Explorer Unit, perhaps with bonus against barbarians); i had another idea: Osório (Modern Battle Tank) since we we have almost no modern unique unit.

Cities :
São Paulo
São Luis
Belo Horizonte
Fortaleza
Curitiba
Manaus
Recife
Porto Alegre
Belém
Rio Branco
Boa Vista
Aracajú
Natal
Campo Grande
Cuiabá
Florianópolis
Porto Velho
Palmas
Vitória
Teresina
And the other 2 cities on the capital list

Ps: I have edited Initials J.A. post, since it had some wrong info and etc.

Civilization : Poland

Leader : #1 Kazimierz Wielki (Casimir The Great)
-Industrialist
-Scientific
#2 Jozef Pilsudski (Joseph Pilsudski)
-Militaristic
-Expansionist

Capital : Krakow or Warszawa

Flag : Should be the national Symbol (A crowned white eagle on a red shield)

Great Scientists : Marja Sklodowska-Curie

Great Merchants :

Great Prophets : Karol Wojtyla (Pope John Paul II)

Great Artists : Jan Matejko

Great Engineers : Tadeusz Sendzimir

Unique Unit : Polish Hussaria (sidenote: Wings are attached to the horse not the rider)

Cities :

Gniezno
Krakow (if not the Capital)

Good choices there, but I don't think Casimir should be Industrious and Philosophical, since it's the only trait combo left out due to being overpowered.

I propose making him Industrious and Creative (culture).

I also think that Jan III Sobieski might be a better leader the Jozef Pilsudski,
or perhaps that he should be an additional leader. Certainly there should be a leader from the 16th or 17th century.

Also, alternate choices for great scientists: Copenicus or Banach(properly a mathematician).

Great merchants could be kings that were inclined to trade but I don't know polish history enough to give good example. For lack of anything better the Wazas could be merchants, as their shield incorporates grain.

Also I feel that there are many better choices for great artists: Kochanowski, Mickiewicz, Chopin for example.

I wouldnt say they are missing its just hardly any room for all that on HUGE EARTH WORLD. Anyway cant just add America at the beginning of 4000bc. Only things is missing is the nomads, clans and well the Neanderthals gotta have those at the beginning.

Then form a new nation depend on the situations... like america was from from english back in the revolution war.

So if the cities are revolting they should form there own nations like the barbarians. For Earth Scenarios are pretty much impossible to bring up with all those minor civs in places if you wanted to make it like back in time in real life as much as possible.

i don't want to spoil the fun, but the great people aren't bound to the civ your playing with. almost every time i'm playing i get mozes as the first GP. I had this also with some chinese/japanese GP's (don't know their names) who i got when playing with the english or something. but it's still a good idea to add some more GP's to the game, because it happened more than once that the system was out of GP's and i only got great scientists that were called great scientist :P.

Perhaps someone will mod the great people to be bound to civs. It shouldn't be too hard :) . Either way, it doesn't hurt and it's interesting to see different civs' great people.

If you're going to add the Confederacy, you might as well add...

Civilization: The Northeast Corridor
Leaders: Peter Stuyvesant (Fin, Exp), prefers Mercantalism
Alexander Hamilton (Fin, Ind), prefers Free Market
John F. Kennedy (Ind, Sci), prefers Universal Suffrage
Flag: Red cross on white background with pine tree in top-left corner (flag of colonial New England, should probably be something else, though)
Great Scientists: Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Edison, Jonas Salk, Thomas Francis.
Great Merchants: J.P. Morgan, John Rockerfeller, Myer Lansky, Donald Trump, Steven Wynn.
Great Artists: Mario Lanza, Marian Andersen, Frank Sinatra, Walt Whitman, Nathaniel Hawthorne, Biggie Smalls, The Three Stooges, Bugs Bunny.
Great Prophets: St. John Neumann, Al Sharpton.
Great Engineers:
Unique Unit:
Mobsters (replaces Spy):
Force Deal: Next deal with this civilization will be treated as though that civilization is "pleased" towards your own. After this deal, civilization's opinion of your own drops by 2.
Smuggle: Brings goods on tile to home civilization if the mobster can leave that civilization's borders without being detected.

or

Minuteman (replace Rifleman):
Strength:14
Movement: 1
Cost: 90
Starts with Woodsman I
First Strike
+25% vs. Gundpowder
Cities:
Philadelphia
New York
Boston
Baltimore
Washington
Miami
New Haven
Wilmington
Stamford
Newark
Lowell
Brockton
Providence
Trenton
Annapolis
Silver Springs
Chester
Camden
Yonkers
Jersey City
Atlantic City
New Brunswick
Hartford
Springfield
Worcester
Bristol
White Plains
Fort Lauterdale
Boca Raton
West Palm Beach

Regarding a mesage i received, I will add these to the Vikings. What do you think about them?

I think that you missing a leader called Harald Bluetooth, he was the
viking leader who united scandinavia, therefor i guess that his would be
organized and expansive.

Regarding to scientest I have some suggestions to... Niels Bohr, Ole
Rømer,

Regarding to prophet I have som suggestions to.... Saint Knud, Holy
Anders,

Regarding to engineers I have som suggestions to Gustav Larsson
(founded Volvo) Mads Clausen (founded Danfoss)

Regarding to merchant I have som suggestions to.... A.P. Møller
(founded Mearsk Sealand)

i don't want to spoil the fun, but the great people aren't bound to the civ your playing with. almost every time i'm playing i get mozes as the first GP. I had this also with some chinese/japanese GP's (don't know their names) who i got when playing with the english or something. but it's still a good idea to add some more GP's to the game, because it happened more than once that the system was out of GP's and i only got great scientists that were called great scientist :P. The Database was released prior to the game's release and is intended to be a source of information for all modders who are looking for various data. There is already a mod with new great leaders added and it's only a matter of time to add great leaders according to their civilization. I have seen many mods already using the soures we are sharing here, so i would consider this a helpful project. :)

Civilization : Serbia

Leader : Dusan

Capital : Belgrade

Flag : Red, Blue, White with 2-headed eagle

Starting Techs : Agriculture, Archery

Great Scientists : Nikola Tesla, Mihailo Pupin, Mileva Pavlovic (Albert Einstein's wife, great in physics herself, that he took most of his ideas from)

Great Merchants : Cirilo, Milutin, Nemanja,

Great Prophets : , Njegos, St. Sava, St. Nikola, St. Stefan

Great Artists : Zdravko Colic, Weird Al Yankovic :), Vlade Divac

Great Engineers : Ratko, Radovan, Momcilo

Unique Unit : Chetniks (guerilla that were fighting for king in WWII against both germans and communists)

Cities :

Belgrade (Capital)
Novi Sad
Nis
Podgorica
Banja Luka
Kragujevac
Sabac
Cacak
Trebinje
Srpsko Sarajevo
Subotica
Cetinje
Niksic
Vranje
Pristina (kosovo IS Serbia)
Smederevo
Zrenjanin
UZice
Kraljevo
Leskovac
Pirot
Budva
Zajecar
Negotin
Herceg novi
Pljevlja
Kos. Mitrovica
Kotor
Bor
Pancevo


Funny, the 2-headed flag the serbian country has recently adopted is a cheap rip-off of the Albanian flag that has been used for centuries.

Podgorica is not Serbian, it is one of the main cities of the northern Albanian highlands given to Montenegro by the "Great Powers of Europe" in 1878. It was a territorial acquisition by Montenegro only because Europe was interested in breaking up the Ottoman Empire... Albania had been under the Ottoman Empire for 5 centuries prior to that point, thus they were wrongfully construed as being Turkish.

Kosova is not Serbian either, the descendants of the Serbians began migrating to the Balkans from Ukraine around the 4th century AD. Their battles with the indigenous population (Illyrians) to gain ground indicates they were trying to take something that did not belong to them. Colonization occured, not only in Kosova but in the Albanian territories ceded to Montenegro, and the Slavs were able to establish a presence there to claim the land. However, the fact remains Kosova is 95% Albanian today, with Prishtina being its capital.

Interesting claim to fame, some of your ideas are valid and would serve to create a good Serbian civilization, but as for others, they are based on national myths created by the Serbian which have no fact to back them up.

Now that that's been said, I would like to take the time to introduce my Albanian civilization. It is currently in the works.

Leader: Gjergj Kastrioti

The author of the Albanian resistance against the Ottoman Empire, he was the leader of the 25 year rebellion against the Turks. On May 2, 1444 he united all Albanian princes, land barons and tribal chieftains at the principality of Lezhe in open rebellion against the occupation of the Ottoman armies. He managed to secure nominal support from the Venetian Republic, the Arogonese King of Naples, the kingdom of Spain, the Hungarians, and the Popes of the Holy Catholic Church, which gave him the title "Athleta Christi" (Athlete of Christendom).

The Albanians under Kastrioti's leadership were able to defeat the most powerful army in the world for 25 years, and kept them from setting foot in Catholic Western Europe. By using guerilla cavalry tactics, the fast, light Albanian horsemen were able to outrun Ottoman forces and cause chaos within enemy ranks, ensuring an easy slaughter and subsequently victory for the Albanians.

Upon Kastrioti's death in 1468, the Turks tore open his grave in search of his bones which they used as talismans upon believing they held mythical power. By 1480, Albania was conquered by the Ottoman Empire.

Gjergj Kastrioti's efforts were not in vain, however. As the father of the Albanian rebellion, Kastrioti was the only man in history ever to completely unite the Albanians. He was the author of the Albanian national existance, and his people even to this day say his name proudly as they raise the Albanian flag that he once raised to show the world that the Albanians desired freedom, and they would fight to get it.
Hehe, that's my current Civilopedia entry for Gjergj Kastrioti.

Link to my Albanian civ thread! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=3332165#post3332165)

Viking Civ looks great, :goodjob: I can't wait to take them out pillaging -- alway remember kids, it's rape, pillage then burn.

Some off-the-wal thoughts on Canadian/Quebecios UU's:
Mounties could be a later age scout (no attack, but can kill defending) special abilities like woodsman and pinch promotions, but by mid to late game scouts are pretty useless (unless playing Terra), so how about a city defender? Still no attack, but starts with bonus for city defense and vs. gunpowder units. Excellent as units to accompany settlers since they allow settlers to use both of their 2 move.

Voyaguers could be workers with a move bonus in forest/jungle and (is this possible?) able to build improvements other than roads outside your civ's borders. Sure it's risky building that fur camp one square outside your borders since it could get snatched by another civ, but it'll be all ready when culture expands the city's domain.

If you're going to add the Confederacy, you might as well add...

Civilization: The Northeast Corridor

I hate to ask this (since I live in the area), but what exactly is this? The Confederate States of America was a real country (even if only for 4 years). What is the Northeast Corridor?

I hate to ask this (since I live in the area), but what exactly is this? The Confederate States of America was a real country (even if only for 4 years). What is the Northeast Corridor?

I guess their talking about the culture area of the South East and the North East corridor is probably the New England region

Well, to the point

Civilization : The Mexicans

Leader : #1Benito Juarez (traits: Organized and Philosophical, Favors: Nationhood)
#2Lazaro Cardenas (traits: Philosophical and Financial. Favors: Emancipation)

Capital : Ciudad de Mexico Distrito Federal, or Mexico City Federal District (Mexico D.F.)

Flag : White Background and a Green Eagle on the Cactus (the center of the Mexican Flag)

Starting Techs : Agriculture and Mysticism

Great Scientists : -

Great Merchants : look at wikipedia there are many, the problem is I don't many

Great Prophets : Miguel Hidalgo, Jose Maria Morelos, Francisco I. Madero (more political than religous)

Great Artists : Diego Rivera, Salma Hayek, Octavio Paz, Sor Juana Ines de la Cruz

Great Engineers : -

Unique Unit : Insurgente (a defensive infantry unit, there is no real unit but it represents the men that rise up in defense of the homeland like Colonial minutemen

Cities :
Guadalajara
Monterey
Dolores
Toluca
Veracruz
Cancun
Mazatlan
Acapulco
Torreon
Culiacan
Tijuana
Ciudad de Juarez
Zacatecas
Morelia
Guanajuato
Hidalgo
Tuxtla Gutierez
Merida
Tabasco
Villahermosa
La Paz
Queretaro
Hermosillo
Saltillo
Cuernavaca
Ciudad Victoria

Civilization : The Mexicans
Unique Unit : Insurgente (a defensive infantry unit, there is no real unit but it represents the men that rise up in defense of the homeland like Colonial minutemen

How about the Zapatistas? Are they too much of a political issue today or is it comsumable?

I would love to see Poland added.

I would love to see Poland added.

Yea, me also... I thought someone was already taking care of that... I'm willing to provide some feedback on Poland althrough i skipped most of my history lessons when I was in school.

I hate to ask this (since I live in the area), but what exactly is this? The Confederate States of America was a real country (even if only for 4 years). What is the Northeast Corridor?

The Northeast Corridor is the conurbation between DC and Boston. Miami's often incluided because it is so culturally similar. The Northeast has never been its own country but has a very unique culture and history and is very different than the rest of America. The Northeast Corridor also has had one of the most profound impacts on the rest of the world (with Wall Street, the UN, Independence Hall, the US Capitol, and the White House.) The South was never its own country, either, as no one but themselves recognized them as an independent nation. The Northeast has a culture and history as, probably more, unique than the South. If the South gets its own civ, the Northeast should, too.

and California too! I'm making a Cali mod!

The Northeast Corridor is the conurbation between DC and Boston. Miami's often incluided because it is so culturally similar. The Northeast has never been its own country but has a very unique culture and history and is very different than the rest of America. The Northeast Corridor also has had one of the most profound impacts on the rest of the world (with Wall Street, the UN, Independence Hall, the US Capitol, and the White House.) The South was never its own country, either, as no one but themselves recognized them as an independent nation. The Northeast has a culture and history as, probably more, unique than the South. If the South gets its own civ, the Northeast should, too.

OK, I'll buy that.

One more question, who's Peter Stuyestant?

I'd put Franklin as a great scientist to increase numbers.

For cities, even though I'm from the Philadelphia area, I think it might be better to put New York at the front. Since it never was a nation, its difficult to give it a capital, but, if a capital were created now, it would probably be New York. Also, if we wanted to base it on which was founded first, we'd end up going with something like Boston. I think that, although a case could be made for Philly, a better case could be made for New York.

OK, I'll buy that.

One more question, who's Peter Stuyestant?

I'd put Franklin as a great scientist to increase numbers.

For cities, even though I'm from the Philadelphia area, I think it might be better to put New York at the front. Since it never was a nation, its difficult to give it a capital, but, if a capital were created now, it would probably be New York. Also, if we wanted to base it on which was founded first, we'd end up going with something like Boston. I think that, although a case could be made for Philly, a better case could be made for New York.

I'm from Philadelphia so I decided to put it first, but you're right New York would work better as capitol.

Peter Stuyvesant was director-general of New Netherland at the time when it controlled the whole of the Mid-Atlantic. He was the closer person to an actual leader of the Northeast.

I decided to put Franklin as a leader because I thought the Northeast should have some leader that's scientific because of all its universities. But now that I think about it, Kennedy could be Scientific. I but him as expansive because of the space program, but scientific would probably make more sense.

Well, on the Zapatistas I really wouldn't like them as a UU representing the whole of Mexico especially because their concentrated in a region not even a official state.

On the U.S. regions we'll soon be seeing Wyomingans (j/K)

Is someone working on the Czech nation? I'd like to play for Czechs so I started to make them. I've got practically complete graphic (but static only, not animated yet) and I try to do XML files. I haven't experience with XML yet - if you would like to hepl me write me please.
Some informations about my nation:

Czechia

Leaders:
Karel IV. (Charles IV. - Czech king /1346 – 1378/, Holy Roman Emperor); Philosophical, Creative; favourite Civic - Hereditary Rule;
Tomas Garrigue Masaryk (the first president of independent Czechoslovakia /1918-1935/); Financial, Industrious; favourite Civic - Free Religion;
- for rule this two rulers were golden ages of Czech nation

Great Scientists: Gregor Mendel, Otto Wichterle, Jaroslav Heyrovsky, Jan Jansky (discoverer of blood types)
Great Merchants: Tomas Bata, Ray Kroc (founder of the McDonald's - czech ancestry)
Great Prophets: svaty Vaclav (Saint Wenceslas), St. Cyril, St. Methodius
Great Artists: Antonin Dvorak, Karel Capek, Alfons Mucha, Franz Kafka
Great Engineers: Frantisek Krizik, Emil Skoda

Unique Unit: Hussite

Capital: Praha (Prague)

Cities:
Brno
Ostrava
Plzen
Olomouc
Liberec
Hradec Kralove
Ceske Budejovice
Usti nad Labem
Pardubice
Havirov
Zlin
Kladno
Most
Karvina
Fridek-Mistek
Opava
...

I know that Czechs are small nation now but they have long interesting history.
Sorry my English please.

Yes, we can never forget the Hussite Wars.

sorry for this slight bumb, but i suppose any suggestions will be accepted, right?
for celts: Flying Collumn
for zulu: yngombi umpakati
celt cities: baile átha cliath, sligeach, gaillimh, corcaigh, lumneach,

The South was never its own country, either, as no one but themselves recognized them as an independent nation.

That is entirely irrelevent to the fact of whether or not they were their own country. The Confederate States of America were an independent political entity for five years; whether outside powers recognized that or not makes no difference whatsoever to the reality of the situation. Neither does your own personal stamp of approval.

Your so-called Northeast Corridor, however, was never it's own country, in any way, shape or form.

Max

The Northeast Corridor is the conurbation between DC and Boston. Miami's often incluided because it is so culturally similar. The Northeast has never been its own country but has a very unique culture and history and is very different than the rest of America. The Northeast Corridor also has had one of the most profound impacts on the rest of the world (with Wall Street, the UN, Independence Hall, the US Capitol, and the White House.) The South was never its own country, either, as no one but themselves recognized them as an independent nation. The Northeast has a culture and history as, probably more, unique than the South. If the South gets its own civ, the Northeast should, too.

The White House is in the South... And the culture is VASTLY different between Maryland and Massachusetts... The "Northeast Corridor" is a freaking railroad.. not a Civilization/Culture..

You could however make an arguement for a New England Civ, that would make more sense.. But trying to tell me Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Massachusetts are the same culturally(or were, the US is alot more homologous now) is a joke.:crazyeye:

Czech nation for CivIV is practically completed. I can't do flagdecal in DDS Convertor only. That flag is white in the game (I think it is because alpha channel). I don't have Photoshop or something similar. Can somebody help me? This is that flag:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=105056&stc=1&d=1132869910
If you can convert it to .dds what will be function please do it. Help me please!

The link is invalid.

I think it is valid. I tried it and it was working. But I did another link for zip archive, it contains flagdecals in bmp and png. Please help me. Thanks.

Edited:
It is done now. The czech flag is completed. Czech nation will be added in several days. I thank everybody who wanted help me.

I think it is valid. I tried it and it was working. But I did another link for zip archive, it contains flagdecals in bmp and png. Please help me. Thanks.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=105160&stc=1&d=1132952181

Edited:
It is done now. The czech flag is completed. Czech nation will be added in several days. I thank everybody who wanted help me.

Looking forward to see the Czechs among other civilizations. :)

I would like to see the Sioux added. On Earth maps its a lot of balance so the Americans don't have a whole continent uncontested.

I look at all these civ suggestions like a kid in a candy store. Fascinating, can't wait to try each one!

Which makes me think of the Outaouais and their leader Pondiac (Or Pontiac)... Don't know much about them though, I'd have to do some research And would add some more competition on an earth map... though that would put them in canadian territory... But eh, native civs are cool :)

Czech nation for Civ IV is completed. You can download it.

Civilization : Latvia

Leader : Karlis Ulmanis

Capital : Riga

Flag : 3 horizontal lines. Dark red white dark red. The dark red was maron colour. The white line is bit thiner than the 2red lines

Starting Techs : agiculture, fishing

Great Scientists : Janis Stradins, Karlis Zale, Peteris Kuga

Great Merchants : Janis Kuze

Great Prophets : Biscap Albert
Correct would be Bishop Albert. And u could also add Eugene Fink and Blue Mountain Martha as great prophets.


Anyway, i opened up discussion about Latvian civilization concept development in gamez.lv, so if here's another Latvian interested in it, go here (http://www.gamez.lv/index.php?pg=28&cat_id=3&group_id=15211&start=0).

*edit*
One more thing:
The white line is bit thiner than the 2red lines
White line is 1/5 and each red line is 2/5 from flag.

*edit 2nd*
Unique Unit : Latvian Archer (The WW1 Unit, the unit is similar to this time infanty unit but they gained bigest sucess in East Europe while they were just about 10'000 soldiers, they also gained Latvia indepandance.
Latvian Rifleman would be more correct as Latvian Archer ;)

I would like to see the Sioux added. On Earth maps its a lot of balance so the Americans don't have a whole continent uncontested.

I look at all these civ suggestions like a kid in a candy store. Fascinating, can't wait to try each one!

Which makes me think of the Outaouais and their leader Pondiac (Or Pontiac)... Don't know much about them though, I'd have to do some research And would add some more competition on an earth map... though that would put them in canadian territory... But eh, native civs are cool

Just wait a few days...both of you. :)

Ohhh, i smell goodies comming :p

Civilization: Discworld
Leader: Lord Vetinari ( financial, industrious) favourite civic: bureaucracy
Lord Winder ( aggressive, organized) favourite civic: police state
Capital: Ankh-Morpork
Flag: Complicated
Starting Techs: mining, masonry
Great Scientists: Ponder Stibbons
Great Merchant: Cut-me-own-throat Dibbler
Great Prophest: Brutha
Great Artist: Bloody Stupid Johnson
UU: Watchmen ( +25 against mele, +25 against archers)
Cities: Psuedopolis, Quirm, Sto Heilt, Lancre, Bad Ass, Bes Pelargic, Hersheba, Howondaland, Genua, Djelibeybi, Llamdedos, Dijabringabeeralong, NoThingfjord

You need to be more specific for the Discworld civilization Jackalope. :) Who are they?

It's a book series by Terry Pratchett.

How about their flag? And how do their UU look like?

You guys are going to make fictional nations!?

Native American Civs(that would be cool to see):
Navajo
Apache
Sioux/Lakota
Iroquois
Aleut
Comanche
maybe Seminole

African:
Ethiopia
Zulu/Bantu
Nubia
African-Americans

European:
Byzantine

Asian:
Korean

Oceania:
Aborigine

You guys are going to make fictional nations!? We are not making nations or Mods here. :) This is a database where modders in this forum can use to build or improve their mods. This thread essentially serves the purpose of gathering and storing information in a relative order to make it easy for mod creators. The database was created shortly before the rlease of Civilization 4 and I am happy to see that it is serving it's purpose right, by inspiring and helping fellow modders create various new civilizations not included in the vanilla version. There are many mods out in the New Civilizations part that are using the information from this database and that is just great. If you want to contribute, you can add as much as information, regarding any civilization you are interested, in an easy to access format here and hope that one fellow modder will be willing to create it for you. :)

Ahhhh....... I see
but Tunch Khan you do make civ mods yourself right?

Ahhhh....... I see
but Tunch Khan you do make civ mods yourself right? I did Turkish MOD, right. And I am currently working on a larger project together with some modders from here. But it's proceeding slower than I anticipated.

Inspired by the recent mod released by Svetg here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=149439), I decided to add Thracians to this database for further modding needs.

Civilization : Thracians

Leader : Orpheus - Philosophical and Spiritual, favors Theocracy
Sitalkes - Agressive and Organized, favors Hereditary Rule

Capital : Uscudama

Flag : Doubleaxe motif (no color specified)

Starting Techs : Hunting and Mysticism

Unique Unit : Peltast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peltast)

Cities :

Uscudama (Odrysia - Adrianopolis - Edirne)
Seuthopolis (Kazanlak)
Serdika (Sofia)
Beroe (Stara Zagora)
Apollonia (Sozopol)
Pulpudeva (Plovdiv - Philippopolis - Filibe - Plevne)
Therme (Thessalonika)
Salmydessus
Perperikon (Gorna Krepost)
Abydos (Hellespont)
Abdera (Bouloustra)
Ennea Odoi (Amphipolis)
Dardania (Dardanelles - Canakkale)
Oescus (Pleven)
Nicomedia (Izmit)
Skupi (Skopje - Uskup)
Vrata (Vratza)
Perinthus
Drabescus
Cabyle (Jambol)
Myrcinus
Iamphorynna
Menebria (Nesebar)
Ismara
Apameia
Arkadikos
Olbia
Selybria (Silivri)
Singidunum (Belgrade)
Creston
Poltyobria
Maronea
Lysimachia (Lapseki)
Cardia
Callipolis (Gallipoli - Gelibolu)
Sestos
Odessos (Varna)
Alopeconnesus
Cypsela
Madytus
Ciabrus
Utus
Sarmizegetusa
Elaeus
Percote
Rhoeteum
Andros
Astakos
Chalcedon (Kadikoy)
Eion
Swordovori
Tomis
Altina
Sagadava
Storgosia
Naissus
Rodosto (Tekirdag)
Orestias
Evros
Bessapara
Apulon

Civilization : byzantine

Leader : justinuin (creative and industrious)
Constantine the 1st (spirital and expansive)

Capital : constantinople

Flag : christian cross with a line through the bottom of it (basicly orthadox cross) purple backround the cross is gold

Starting Techs : Agriculture, wheel (maybe)

Great Scientists :
Great Merchants :
Great Prophets : peter the hermit?
Great Artists :
Great Engineers :

Unique Unit : the cataphract! (very heavy knight)

Cities :
constantinople
ravenna (not good at spelling it)
nicea (or is it niceamedia?)
trezibondi ( cant spell it)
athens ( greece was part of it at the time)
cyprus
salamis
rome
rhodes
georgia
sparta
rum
bulgaria

thats all for now

Double headed eagle is a more appropiate flag for the Byzantine civilization. Perhaps someone with better spelling can add Byzantine cities. I can see that the most important ones are missing on this list:

Adrianople
Thessaloniki
Smyrna
Nicomedia
Ephesus
Miletos
Philedelphia
Ikonium
Prusa
Caeseria
Heraclea... and the list goes on.

Oh, so it's a little old, but the Québecois civ (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3250998&postcount=140)could also use Louis-Joseph Papineau as a leader I suppose. Don't know too much about him yet though, seeing him in history when i come back... He was the leader of the Parti Patriote... which, sadly, because of their numbers, lost all battles exept one in Saint-Denis... Well, I guess he failed, but he was still a very important figure... Anyways, just asking opinions from those who know more than I, sinc my knowledge on him is limited for now...

So this Qebecois civ is for before the English conquest? Hmm, sounds interesting. I studyed from Cartier to quite a ways past Champlain, with my family, really neat. We were supposed to do all of Canadian History but we got sick of our methods of studying.

I think there UU should be the votigeers (however you spell it).

They were a Light infantry unit that helped The Brits defeat an American invasion in 1813 or '14 at Chauteguay.
Also At the same time at Chrysler Farm (visited that memorial this summer).
At Chauteguay 200 or so Brits, and French defeated about 1000 amricans (If my memory serves me correctly) at Chrysler it was 800 British Regular, Millitia etc vs about 2000 Americans.

bah... before... after... it's pretty much the province if it had it's independance... ya... i remember that massacre in our histroy books, it will teach those americans to come into La Belle Province looking for war :lol:

As for the votigeers, i do not know what you refer to... though if you said it in french that might help me... For i am not too familiar with those events (passed like 5 mins in class about that... Good thing i have Québecois history classes this year :D)

Their exploits are good... but i dunno... it's not really what i think Québec's UU should be...

Civilization :Switzerland

Leader : Huldrych Zwingli (Organized and Spiritual), Favors Representation Would also like a more modern leader to favor universal sufferage!


Capital : Bern

Flag : Red with a white cross in the middle

Starting Techs : Hunting and Mysticism

Unique Unit : Swiss Guard(Pikeman that start with city garrison 2)

Cities:
2. Zürich
3. Geneva
4. Basel
5. Lausanne
6. Winterthur
7. Sankt Gallen
8. Luzern
9. Lugano
10. Biel/Bienne
11. Thun
12. Köniz
13. La Chaux-de-Fonds
14. Schaffhausen
15. Freiburg im Üechtland
16. Chur
17. Neuenburg
18. Vernier
19. Uster
20. Sion
21. Emmen
22. Lancy
23. Kriens
24. Yverdon-les-Bains
25. Zug
26. Montreux
27. Dübendorf
28. Frauenfeld
29. Dietikon
30. Riehen
31. Baar
32. Meyrin
33. Wädenswil
34. Wetzikon
35. Carouge
36. Reinach
37. Wettingen
38. Allschwil
39. Renens
40. Horgen
41. Jona
42. Kreuzlingen
43. Onex
44. Gossau
45. Kloten
46. Wil
47. Muttenz
48. Nyon
49. Bellinzona
50. Olten

re:zulu
-most of those cities were just randomly taken from a map of africa, very few were really zulu towns,most werent even in south africa
-Nelson mandela is not Zulu, he's xhosa
-maybe "zulu empire" should be changed to "Bantu empire" to include more peoples and cities

Civilization : : Austria-(Hungary)

Leader : Franz-Josef
-Creative
-Expansionist

Capital : Vienna
Flag : Double Headed Eagle. See Google

Great Scientists : Siegmund Freud, Christian Doppler, Wolfgang Pauli, Erwin Schrödinger, Gregor Mendel

Great Merchants : Frank Stronach, Didi Mateschitz

Great Prophets :
Great Artists : W.A. Mozart, Johann Strauss, Joseph Haydn, Franz Schubert, Franz Kafka, Johann Nestroy, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Arnold Schwarzenegger :P
Great Engineers : Fredinand Porsche, Viktor Kaplan, Johann Bernhard Fischer von Erlach

Unique Unit : Hussar
Cities :

Salzburg
Graz
Budapest
Prague
Lemberg
Brno
Triest
Lubijana
Linz
Innsbruck


Greetings from Salzburg to Vienna:
Guat gmocht! (Good Job done) GanJ0rm0n!
Here some more ideas for Austria:


Alternative Leader: Maria Theresia (Creativ, Spiritual)

Great Scientist:Karl Popper, Ignaz Semmelweiss, Anton Zeillinger (still alife!)
Great Merchant: Louis Rothschild
Great Prophet: St. Severin, St. Leoplod, Wolf-Dietrich, Paris Lodron, Ignaz Seipel, Franz König
Great Artists: Anton Bruckner, Arnold Schönberg, Helmut Qualtinger, Franz Grillparzer, Gustav Mahler
Great Engeneers: Master Pilgram

(Ludwig Wittgenstein is better a great scientist than a great artist)

some more Citys:

Bratislava
Zagreb
Sarajevo
Krakow
Temesvar
Debrecen
Bozen
Sopron
Klagenfurt
Szeged
Maribor
Dubrovnik
Tarnopol
Trient
Bregenz
Eisenstadt

CSA (Confederate States of America)
Leader : Jefferson Davis - Financial (Cotton Trade), Creative (Confederation)- favors Free Markets
Leader : Robert Lee - Aggressive (Great Military Personage), Organised (Slavery)- favors Representation

Capital : MONTGOMERY

Flag : "Southern Cross" (Battle Flag); Silver Stars on a diagonal Blue Cross on Dark Red ground

Starting Techs : Agriculture and Hunting

Great Scientists : ??

Great Merchants : Robert Lovett Jr.

Great Prophets : John C. Calhoun, Andrew Jackson

Great Artists : ??

Great Engineers : John Leonard Riddell

Unique Unit : Virginian Cavalry

Cities : For a map, Click here! (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6d/Map_of_CSA_3.png)
Richmond
Danville
Norfolk
Petersburg
Wheeling,
Alexandria
Wilmington
Atlanta
Augusta,
Columbus
Raleigh
Columbia
Charleston
Jackson
Nashville
Memphis
Baton Rouge
New Orleans
Little Rock
Tallahassee
Austin
Houston
Mobile
Savannah

Please suggest leader traits, and great leaders. The ones I have listed here are the basic initial suggestions.

by the way- your List in post #1 doesnt contain the Ethiopians (also Abyssinians or Aksumite Empire)

Find the posted info on them in this very thread at:

Post 139 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3250971&postcount=139)
Post 151 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3257635&postcount=151)
Post 156 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3260060&postcount=156)

by the way- your List in post #1 doesnt contain the Ethiopians (also Abyssinians or Aksumite Empire)
You missed them just between Austria and Australia under the name Abyssinia. :) But thanks for the interest. C.S.A. is also listed, but your list has different suggestions too, and that is the point of this database, to gather as much as information possible.

Since this database is growing in size, in the near future i might consider editing the first post to link the civs to the appropriate posts. That would make the search easier. It could be a little problem for multiple lists tho?

You missed them just between Austria and Australia under the name Abyssinia. :) But thanks for the interest. C.S.A. is also listed, but your list has different suggestions too, and that is the point of this database, to gather as much as information possible.

Since this database is growing in size, in the near future i might consider editing the first post to link the civs to the appropriate posts. That would make the search easier. It could be a little problem for multiple lists tho?
Ah, good- this list is getting so long it is hard to keep up :) thk u!!

You missed them just between Austria and Australia under the name Abyssinia. :) But thanks for the interest. C.S.A. is also listed, but your list has different suggestions too, and that is the point of this database, to gather as much as information possible.

Since this database is growing in size, in the near future i might consider editing the first post to link the civs to the appropriate posts. That would make the search easier. It could be a little problem for multiple lists tho?

Indead, looking for my own took me some time...

Capital : MONTGOMERY
No, should be Richmond. Richmond was the capital city of the Confederacy.

Hunting, Agriculture (not mysticism and mining to prevent quik religion and furwer initiate crusades for Holy city capture or spreadig late tech religion)
Leader: Godfrey of Bouillon - agr, spir (Combat I for UU, fast temples, barraks), theocr.
UU: order brother (replace maceman, same stats but recive +2 XP from state religion temple, monastery, +4 XP-cathedral, +8 XP-holy city wonder). +16XP from st religion buildings at max but it's a lot of work!
Why not knights? Coz not all crusader knights were in religion military orders and not all crusade order warriors were knights. Crusaders must has both knights and order fighters!

I think such civ will be intresting!
More history info - see wikipedia crusades, Crusader states, Kingdom of Jerusalem, Teutonic order.

No, should be Richmond. Richmond was the capital city of the Confederacy. Not until Virginia joined the South.

The CSA even had 3 Capitals:
The first Capital of the CSA was Montgomery. It was also in Montgomery that Jeferson Davies was appointed president of the Confederacy by the newly installed constitutional convention, in february 1861. Only later was the capital moved to Richmond, an action the Union considered an insult, since this moved the Capital of the "void" secession within the immediate proximity of Washington. After the fall of Richmond Danville was made Capital.

Montgomery, Alabama (February 4, 1861–May 29, 1861)
Richmond, Virginia (May 29, 1861–April 9, 1865)
Danville, Virginia (April 3–April 10, 1865)

Given the particular importance, I have considered Montgomery as 'the' (de facto) CSA capital.

Maybe, Armed Maniac, It was voltigeers, missed the l. Hmm, the were basically a light skirmisher, but very effective.

I would have no idea as what they would replace then.

Hello to everybody,
I'm new in this forum and this is my first message. I apoligize if my english is not good enough:blush:

I'm spanish and I would like to play Civ4 with any of the ancient civilization which lived in Iberian Peninsula. An example is Tartessos a relatively unknown antique civilization.

Tartessos was a legendary civilization which lived in the South of Spain (present Andalucia) 1.000 BC. They were famous all around the Mediterranean Sea for mining silver and bronce. Plato wrote that Tartessos traded with Atlantis and other greek writers said that Tartessos was Atlantis because of his high culture. But Tartessos was destroyed and forgotten.

More information: Tartessos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartessos)

Leader: King Arganthonius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arganthonios). Creative and Financial, fovours Mercantilism.

Starting Techs: Mining and Fishing

Flag: I think that silver could be the color of the Tartessos' flag. And one of these simbols could be added to it: Bronze figure (http://www.tesorillo.com/imagenes1/bronce_tartessos.jpg)or Indalo (http://www.manataka.org/images/Rainbowman3.gif)

Unique Unit: Iberian mercenary with Falcata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcata) (an strange type of sword, see (http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/products/A000065.jpg)). This unit could replace axeman (6 strength, +50% vs. Melee Units, 1 first strike)
Tartessos normally used fierce iberian warriors (see (http://www.dearqueologia.com/hispania_pueblos/iberos_honderos.jpg)) as mercenary to defend himself against enemies.

Great Scientists : Hiarbas

Great Merchants : Elimos

Great Prophets : Anae

Great Artists : Sirco

Great Engineers : Kulkas

Cities:
Turpa (capital)
Nabrissa
Colobona
Olba
Onoba
Cartare
Asta
Xera
Turpila
Calia
Illipa
Carpia
Caura
Cilpe
Tucci
Ugia
Calpe

I don't know if all these names are historical real names. I've extracted them from a novel about Tartessos.
In the future I would like to add information about the Iberian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberians)civilization.
Bye and thanks for reading me.

How about Muench (The Scream)

Leader: Juscelino Kubitschek and/or Fernando Henrique Cardoso

Flag: Maybe a green and yellow flag

Unique Unit: Maybe Tupi Indians to replace the warrior or a Cangaceiro(they usually use Sawn-Off shotguns and Machetes, I'll search for a pic) to replace the Musketman

Cities:
Brasilia(now it's the capital city)
Rio de Janeiro
São Paulo
Porto Alegre
Foz do Iguaçu
Fortaleza
Salvador( the first capital city)
Manaus
Curitiba
Belo Horizonte
São Bernardo do Campo
Osasco

Here are some suggestions, I'll search a little more and then I'll suggest more names for cities and the personalities of the leaders

Hello to everybody,
I'm new in this forum and this is my first message. I apoligize if my english is not good enough:blush:

I'm spanish and I would like to play Civ4 with any of the ancient civilization which lived in Iberian Peninsula. An example is Tartessos a relatively unknown antique civilization.

Tartessos was a legendary civilization which lived in the South of Spain (present Andalucia) 1.000 BC. They were famous all around the Mediterranean Sea for mining silver and bronce. Plato wrote that Tartessos traded with Atlantis and other greek writers said that Tartessos was Atlantis because of his high culture. But Tartessos was destroyed and forgotten.

More information: Tartessos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartessos)

Leader: King Arganthonius (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arganthonios). Creative and Financial, fovours Mercantilism.

Starting Techs: Mining and Fishing

Flag: I think that silver could be the color of the Tartessos' flag. And one of these simbols could be added to it: Bronze figure (http://www.tesorillo.com/imagenes1/bronce_tartessos.jpg)or Indalo (http://www.manataka.org/images/Rainbowman3.gif)

Unique Unit: Iberian mercenary with Falcata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcata) (an strange type of sword, see (http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/products/A000065.jpg)). This unit could replace axeman (6 strength, +50% vs. Melee Units, 1 first strike)
Tartessos normally used fierce iberian warriors (see (http://www.dearqueologia.com/hispania_pueblos/iberos_honderos.jpg)) as mercenary to defend himself against enemies.

Great Scientists : Hiarbas

Great Merchants : Elimos

Great Prophets : Anae

Great Artists : Sirco

Great Engineers : Kulkas

Cities:
Turpa (capital)
Nabrissa
Colobona
Olba
Onoba
Cartare
Asta
Xera
Turpila
Calia
Illipa
Carpia
Caura
Cilpe
Tucci
Ugia
Calpe

I don't know if all these names are historical real names. I've extracted them from a novel about Tartessos.
In the future I would like to add information about the Iberian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberians)civilization.
Bye and thanks for reading me.

I've added them to the main list in the first post. Very interesting civilization. It's a pity it's lost.

Y'ello hello, everyone.

I think I could provide some help about both Quebec and Canada, especially Quebec (That thing came way more often than I thought it would 2-3 pages ago), if needed. I'll probably won't do more than provide information, but at least it should be reliable.

I admit I haven't read the last pages completely (And not all the first ones either :sad: ), but this doesn't matter, just tell me what's needed and I'll do my best to help!

I just won't go fetch it myself. I'm way too lazy. >.>

Y'ello hello, everyone.

I think I could provide some help about both Quebec and Canada, especially Quebec (That thing came way more often than I thought it would 2-3 pages ago), if needed. I'll probably won't do more than provide information, but at least it should be reliable.

I admit I haven't read the last pages completely (And not all the first ones either :sad: ), but this doesn't matter, just tell me what's needed and I'll do my best to help!

I just won't go fetch it myself. I'm way too lazy. >.>

Thank you so much for the interest. :)

I believe there's already Canadian and Quebecois mods released in the New Civilizations thread. We have released earlier here the vital information for them and we are happy to see them turn into playable mods. The initial purpose of this thread is to provide information regarding missing civilizations to help modders build them. :)

You could perhaps contact the modders of those civilizations, should they need additional help.

New Civilizations Thread? Hmmm, gotta look at what they did with the data i put in here :D

Found it... and i must say i'm dissapointed... I'm gonna update post 140, with all tha changed i did and all... Hopefully he might read it... :undecide:

(Really didn't have to do that much anyways... well, it's all under post 140, link is in my sig)

Found it... and i must say i'm dissapointed... I'm gonna update post 140, with all tha changed i did and all... Hopefully he might read it... :undecide:

(Really didn't have to do that much anyways... well, it's all under post 140, link is in my sig)
Yes it looks pretty intense. :) I suggest you also post in the Quebecois Mod to catch their attention. Hopefully they will incorporate some of that info into a possible update.

I did... but didn't post a link (though it's in my sig)... may as well edit my post and put the link in there, 'cause alot of it is rediculous... (such as starting techs... hunting and fishing? geez)

I did... but didn't post a link (though it's in my sig)... may as well edit my post and put the link in there, 'cause alot of it is rediculous... (such as starting techs... hunting and fishing? geez)
Yes, I see your work on Quebec is finally giving its fruits. :)

For Harald Bluetooth you could change the state property to Organized religion, he were to one(Or atleast he claimed to be) to spread Christianity in Denmark.

Also mayby make him Spiritual and organized/expansive.

For Harald Bluetooth you could change the state property to Organized religion, he were to one(Or atleast he claimed to be) to spread Christianity in Denmark.

Also mayby make him Spiritual and organized/expansive.

I changed his fav civic to Organized Religion. :) thnx

Yes, I see your work on Quebec is finally giving its fruits. :)

Bah, the creator, yacco, dissapeared, leaving his crappy mod there... I find it really annoying that the only Québec mod there is uses crappy information. Would someone PLEASE use the information here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3250998&postcount=140) to make a better one?

Bah, the creator, yacco, dissapeared, leaving his crappy mod there... I find it really annoying that the only Québec mod there is uses crappy information. Would someone PLEASE use the information here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3250998&postcount=140) to make a better one?
Why don't you try to fix it yourself? It's not that hard once you roll your sleeves up. ;)

Vikings!

Hi, I love what you are doing but may I point out some more people and some leaders you should add. Leaders:
1. Queen Margareth - United the whole of Scandinavia in the Kalmar Union. Expansive (seafaring) and finincial.
2. Canute The Great - King of England, Norway and Denmark. Expansive (seafaring) and philosophical.
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Great merchants: Leif Eirikson, Eirik the Red and Raven-Flok
Great artists: Egil Skalla-Grimsson and Bertel Thorvaldsen
Great prophet: Saint Thorlak
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Cities:
Copenhagen
Skalholt
Tromsö
Ålborg
Stockholm
Helsingfors (Helsinki)
Vaasa
Stong
Odense
Kristiania

Why don't you try to fix it yourself? It's not that hard once you roll your sleeves up. ;)

I REALLY don't know how, lol... all those pages on how to script discouraged me from even starting to read the thread. But eh... you know how :mischief:

Civilization : British Empire

Cities : London, Manchester, Birmingham, Newcastle, Bristol, Leeds, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Cardiff, Dublin, Calcutta, Delhi, Belfast, Gibraltar, Ottawa, Singapour, Hong Kong, Sydney, etc etc!

Dude, you forgot Liverpool!

Well here is a start for Polynesia - pardon any inaccuracies - I am very much an amatuer historian who is just develing into the Polynesian culture (I am not a naitve in any way shape or form) and this list is just meant as a starting point. It is as of now mainly an amalgamam of Maori and Hawaiin influences; however the area is rich wiht many other Island cultures so any other candidates are welcome.

Leader : Kamehameha the Great (Hawaii) Kopura-tahi (Mythical King of the forebears of the original Polynesians as preserved by the Takitumu tribe of Maori)

Capital : New Guinea (Place where it is generally thought the original Polynesians sailed from on their Diaspora)

Great Scientists : Tupaia (Navigator and Priest, Accompanied Capt. Cook), Duke Kahanamoku (Inventor of Surfing)

Great Merchants : Hiro (Legendary Tahtian who built first ocean going 'cargo' canoe thus enabling commerce and exploration)

Great Prophets : Te Kooti (Maori Religious leaswer and warrior) Lono (Hawiian God)

Great Artists : Don Ho, (Singer) Paul Gauguin (French Artist who made Tahiti famous)

Great Engineers : Atua Ure Rangi (Easter Island King representative of the building of the Moai - the Great Statues of Easter Island)

Unique Unit : Māori War Canoe

Cities (Note- Using Island groups here instead of cities to reflect the character of this unique culture):
Anuta (in the Solomon Islands)
Cook Islands (self-governing former territory of New Zealand)
Easter Island (part of Chile, called Rapa Nui in Rapa Nui)
Emae (in Vanuatu)
Hawai‘i (a state of the United States)
Kapingamarangi (in the Federated States of Micronesia)
Loyalty Islands (a dependency of the French territory of New Caledonia)
Mele (in Vanuatu)
Aotearoa (called New Zealand)
Niue (a self-governing dependency of New Zealand)
Nuguria (in Papua New Guinea)
Nukumanu (in Papua New Guinea)
Nukuoro (in the Federated States of Micronesia)
Ontong Java (in the Solomon Islands)
Pileni (in the Solomon Islands)
Rennell (in the Solomon Islands)
Rotuma (an island in the extreme north of Fiji)
Samoa (independent nation)
Sikaiana (in the Solomon Islands)
Swains Island (politically part of American Samoa)
Takuu (in Papua New Guinea)
Tikopia (in the Solomon Islands)
Tokelau (overseas dependency of New Zealand)
Tonga (independent nation)
Tuvalu (independent nation)
Wallis and Futuna (overseas territory of France)

Most Research from Wikpedia and New Zealand Electronic Text center http://www.nzetc.org/index.html


Polynesia is only one part of what you are trying to put together, Oceania would be a more accurate term. However, this is kind of like trying to do a "European" culture civ. You could do a Lapita civ, who where the first people to break out of near Oceania and go into remote Oceania. Lapita was really the colonizing culture of remote Oceania. Also, Kamehameha was a major force in Hawai'ian culture, but in terms of contributions to Oceania as a whole, I think King David Kalākaua of Hawai'i is another good candidate, in 1886 he formed a Polynesian confederation, trying to unite the small nations into a major political force. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kalakaua)

Pakistan should be on that list. Its fun to play as them, Musahraf rocks!